Walking Our Samoyed Dog in Public - What It's Really Like! | Dog Training, Loose Leash Training
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2023
- Many of our viewers have seen Olaf in various situations, but we haven't yet shown what he is really like in the public space. We wanted to give you a raw and honest view of what Olaf is like when he encounters other dogs, people, and chaotic situations.
Just as a heads up, we are not dog trainers. Olaf has received 1:1 training, so this video does not reflect all Samoyeds. If you struggle with leash walking, we highly recommend working with a professional trainer.
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My 10 month old Samoyed pup was a nightmare on leash too with all the reactivity Olaf has. I’m a proponent of +R only and below threshold training but understand it’s a really slow progress. We feed her treats for making right choices constantly. Recently she’s walking a lot better on leash and she just graduated from walking around in our really quiet neighborhood to a somewhat quiet neighborhood park. It’s a long process but the friendly nature of the samoyed we all love so much is also what make them so reactive. Keep up the work!
I went with a positive reinforcement trainer for our Samoyed and it did not work out well. Willow loves distractions way more than food. I went to balanced training with an e collar and noticed signifficant improvements in Willows behaviour. Its sad people get labeled the way they do for using an e collar I truely believe using an ecollar saved my dogs life. She would lunge at cars, people and other dogs.. All it wouldve took was one bad move on our part and she couldve gotten injured or killed. Now shes a completely different dog and were so proud of her. I've followed you guys since Olaf was a baby and you guys have been doing amazing with him! Thank you for sharing.
Yes, we've certainly saved Olaf from a number of scary situations by using the e-collar as well, such as violent dogs and questionable people. We actually took Olaf to San Francisco yesterday but, for whatever reason, the e-collar was not syncing and it caused a lot of frustration, especially when we took him to the beach. Olaf loves the water but he was just not listening to any of our commands. He was too much into 'play mode' and he kept on jumping on this random woman who was trying to enjoy the water. In those types of situations where Olaf doesn't listen, the e-collar comes in handy.
@@theoandolafI had this happen from time to time ahaha. Most times its because our Samoyeds fur is too thick and the conductive prongs dont make direct contact with her skin. Its a lot of work to search through that jungle of fluff sometimes😂
really really useful video. Thanks soo much. My 11 month Samoyed is just too friendly, walking up to push chairs, people, other dogs. thanks for doing this Irene.
Definitely has been a struggle with Mello too, it’s not easy but we are willing to put the work in! He is reactive too when he sees other dogs, we say leave it too and it we need to we cross the street.
I’ve watched a few of your videos and it’s quite clear that you definitely shouldn’t own a Samoyed, let alone posting videos advising others how they should train their Samoyed. The use of a prong and another video where you talked about using a muzzle in the crate and medicating them to calm them is quite clear evidence of this. If you’re getting professional advice on these methods - you’re getting it from the wrong places.
It's also quite clear you've watched our videos, but didn't pay attention to any of them.
I absolutely agree.
Great video! Thanks for showing us a realistic view of walking with a dog in public. I have a 6-month-old samoyed. He pulls a lot every time when I take him for a walk. How long did you take to teach him to walk with you side by side without pulling?
Hi! We were trying to get Olaf to walk with us from a young age, but after many failed attempts and feeling frustrated, we eventually decided to meet 1:1 with a professional dog trainer at around 8 months. Since then, he's been pretty great. He certainly has his off days, as you saw in the video, but he has certainly come a long way since his puppy days. We're thankful for that.
A prong collar helps out a lot!
Finally a realistic depiction of walking a Sammy! Casper is 13 months old and very reactive. I never could have imagined how much patience it takes just to walk him. Our walks are pretty short and limited to our neighborhood because of his issues tugging. For exposure practice we bring him to a parking lot and just sit in the car. Even that can be too much for him. We just want to be able to enjoy having him in public but we're not there yet. How old is Olaf and what's his progress been like?
Hi! Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Olaf is a a year and five months. Still quite young with plenty of energy.
We've also recently been taking Olaf to parking lots near dog parks to help with his reactivity and anxiety. We actually did that yesterday and it was definitely difficult because he was whining and feeling anxious before he even got out of the car, so we waited for him to calm down before letting him out. Once we took him out of the car, we slowly walked closer to the doggy play area, but once Olaf began pulling we then turned around and walked the opposite direction. We did this repeatedly until Olaf either got tired or he learned that pulling doesn't equal fun. Of course, turning around made Olaf unhappy because he just wanted to play with the other dogs. He would either whine or "protest bark" as we like to say, which is loud, demanding, and excessive barking. Eventually, after an hour or so, Olaf became calm and just wanted to be with us rather than the dogs and that's when we decided to call it a day and leave on a good note. We definitely received a lot of glares from people because they probably thought we were not being nice to Olaf by not allowing him to be a dog and play, but we have to train him somehow and teach him right from wrong. Even though we want Olaf to have fun and play with other dogs, it's important to not allow dogs to control a situation or else that behavior will carry into other things. We see a lot of pet owners allow their dogs to pull them as they walk toward the doggy play area and we don't want Olaf to do that. Before Olaf can play, he has to learn patience and calmness. Whining, barking, and pulling isn't good behavior and shouldn't be rewarded with fun. You want to teach your dog that good behavior is rewarded and bad behavior is not, which means that the dog may not be able to play with others if it keeps acting out. It's the same thing many parents do to a child. If a child is having a tantrum, a parent shouldn't reward them with ice cream or a toy. Some pet owners may not agree with how we train Olaf, but we've been seeing tremendous results.
Olaf has come a long way since his early puppy days and we're so proud of him. Even though we have plenty to work on, such as his reactivity, barking, and pulling, Olaf is a sweet boy and, within the next year, we truly believe he will grow to be even better, but, of course, we have to keep practicing or Olaf will lose it all. On Saturday, we took Olaf on a playdate with other Sammys and he did quite well. Afterward, we decided to get dinner at an outdoor dining area and Olaf patiently and quietly sat near us as we ate our meals. It was also very busy at the food area with loud music and people walking around with other dogs, so Olaf did an outstanding job. One thing that helps is getting Olaf tired enough to where people and other dogs become boring to him. Olaf had his fun with his doggy friends and then it was time for his pawrents to have fun. There's a good balance of respect with each other and that's what every owner wants. Just keep doing what you are doing. Reward your pup when he does something well and let your pup know when something isn't right. Build your way up one step at a time with a lot of patience. We've been fortunate enough to have a personal dog trainer and that has been such a life saver. We highly recommend it if that is something you've thought about. Having a personal trainer work on specific needs is amazing and helpful.
Well, Samoyeds need plenty of exercise. Only short walks aren't a good idea.
E-collar? Prong collar? I am quite shocked. Those things are forbidden here in Germany. You have already ruined your dogs mane with the collar. I have my two Samoyeds on harnesses with frontring, so they are easy to control and keep their beautifull fur round the neck. They are easy to train with patience, lots of praise and verbal corrections.
Well I guess it's a good thing we're not in Germany.
Good job Olaf!
E collar on a Samoyed??? No way girl!
Why do you disagree with it?
I can see so much of my own sammy in this video... walking him drives me crazy :(
I feel so bad for this samoyed. I did not like this collar thing at all. Samoyeds are harmless, friendly and fun. mine is like this pulling the leash and trying to jump up to people and cats ( She loves cats , she has a cat friend at home) too but I don’t mind
We're sorry you feel that way, but everything your dog does is exactly what we don't want our dog to do, which is why we use the collar. It's not only bad behavior, but it's also dangerous. The last thing we want is our dog to jump on the wrong person who has a thing against dogs and can then report Olaf as aggressive. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen. You definitely don't want your dog jumping on a child, which can then cause a kid to have a fear of dogs. A dog pulling on a leash means the dog is in charge, not you. If your dog is chasing after cats, you better have a good grip on that leash because, if you let go, he might chase that cat down the street and get hit by a car, which would be horrible. Because we've been training Olaf for so long now, he no longer lunges after other animals. If he sees a cat, he'll definitely look at it, but won't chase it. He has a bit more self-control, which is what we want from him.
Thank you for the video. What type of prong collar and e collar is Olaf using and would you recommend?
We use the Herm Sprenger prong collar and the Pro Educator e-collar. We highly recommend using these tools under the guidance of a professional trainer though to ensure you're using them properly.
I actually expected it to be a lot worse! Never met a samy IRL and I generally don’t like dogs because most people don’t train them properly. The only breed I’m kinda thinking about getting would be a Samoyed and this video affirmed that they can be trained if you’re consistent and strict without being cruel. You have to start early and even though it’s hard to behave as a puppy you can’t let them get away with acting cute/stupid because they aren’t. Of course they need a lot of breaks and time to just fool around but when you are training you have to set the rules.
Sammy's are so smart, but are also very stubborn. Totally trainable, but it will take a lot of patience. Totally feel free to check out the latest video of us walking Olaf. He's definitely come a long way since this video.
What is this prongs and electric shocks?
A prong collar is a basic training collar that you place around the dogs neck that is used for loose leash training. You can buy them at any pet store. The prongs aren't sharp, but they do make the dog feel a tad uncomfortable when the collar is pulled by the leash. There is a lot of stigma behind the collar, but it's totally safe if you are trained by a professional to properly use the collar. The collar isn't used to discipline the dog. It's used to break bad habits such as leash pulling. The e-collar doesn't give off eclectic shocks. It's a stimulator and vibrator. The collar basically gives off a slight tingle. Again, this is something an owner has to go through with their trainer in order to use properly. As a responsible pet owner, you never want to abuse any training devices, whether that is a leash, collar, or voice commands. Olaf is in no way being harmed.
This samoyed also quite big sized.
Samoyed a bit gentle as a guard dog isn't it
Not sure about the e-collar thing. These are considered torturing devices and therefore are forbidden in most of Europe. Our trainer suggested a simple water bottle, which we had to use just one single time on our dog. Water seems to be a much more direct correction than an ecollar which a dog will not connect to his owner wanting something. Honestly, instead of an ecoller I would use a longer leash (like 10 meters) do give him more freedom but to stay in control. Our samoyed was not unleashed in public places until we were absolutely sure he would react ro our commands immediately.
Hi! Thanks for your comment. Just to clarify, e-collars are not torture devices. They are not used to harm or bring pain to an animal. Olaf's e-collar doesn't shock him. It gives off a light stimulation that lets him know he needs to make a correction. We've tried it on ourselves to know what it feels like, so we know how much stimulation we should use. However, like any training device, whether it's an e-collar, prong collar, leash, or even a water bottle, as you mentioned, people can mishandle tools and use them for bad. If you wish to use a longer leash, that's up to you, but you sort of have to choose whether it's more important to have freedom or control. Too much freedom and your dog will do whatever it wants. Too much control and your dog may lose its bond with you. It's important to find that balance between the two. When you walk a dog, you typically don't want it to be ahead of you. You want it by your side so it walks with you at your pace. The last thing you want is to have a long leash and your dog starts to pull or chase after another dog. When that happens, you'll then have to pull your dog in toward you, which is where it should have been in the first place. Everyone has their own opinion and method of training, so if your way of training is working for you, then that's great, but training styles vary from owner to owner and each dog demands different forms of training based on their issues or behavior. We hope this helps and we hope your pup is thriving!
@@theoandolaf i do understand that you chose this as a training method, not as torture, still my point remains, e-collars are forbidden in most of europe, since they are considered f.e. here in german as "tierschutzwiedrig", which roughly translates as "violating animal welfare and protection rules". I also stand with my point, that everything an e-collar helps to train can be done without, too. If it works for you, I'm in no position to demand a change. Still (as others wrote, too), for me it does not look like a modern, up-to-date training working with that much punishment and restriction instead of incentives.
@@craddocraddoc We've heard that Europe has quite a bit of restrictions regarding pet treatment. We learned that crating a dog is heavily looked down on in some countries, so it's definitely a cultural thing, but thankfully Olaf is happy with his crate and he seems to respond pretty well to the e-collar. It's definitely gotten him out of some scary situations with other dogs and suspicious people. We certainly don't plan on using the e-collar forever. Regardless, Olaf is a very happy dog who is loved by us and all who see him. He's come a long way since his puppy days and he's constantly surprising us.
@@theoandolaf Crating dogs is not only "looked down on", it is punishable dog abuse. In America many people put their dogs in tiny cages and leave them there for hours on end while going to work. In Germany the cage/kennel has to be at least 6square meters for small, 10 for middle and 12 for large breeds.
@@cordulam If it were abuse, I don't think Olaf would voluntarily go in the crate and sleep in it. He loves it.
Mine does EXACTLY the same thing with the LEAD every single time. Do you let him play with other dogs.
Yes, we will set up a play date once in a while with other local Sammy's but we keep him away from dog parks at the moment until he gets fixed. Other dogs have been violently attacking him because they know he's not yet neutered.
@@theoandolaf oh I am so sorry to hear that about Olaf getting attacked.
@@theoandolaf My 10 month old Sammy got attacked by a great Dane and he's been so different ever since, he's hyper vigilant and scared of EVERYTHING and now howls when home alone. He will incessantly bark it hurts to see him digress like this. My boys not neutered so im sure that's why. :(
@@kitt.thomas wow, we're really sorry to hear that. That's so horrible! We're lucky that Olaf hasn't been traumatized by any attacks but we hope it never comes to that point since Olaf loves playing with dogs. We hope your pup is able to regain its confidence because that's so sad to hear. Definitely keep us updated on that.
Baby got back
Yes, Olaf definitely has a big rump with some sass.
Hi! just wondering what e collar do you use?
Hi Denny! We use an e-collar from the brand Pro Educator.
Really unnecessary to go with prong and e collor. I never used these aversive methods on my sammy. Just a good bond with your dog and a 2 hounds designed freedom harness is enough. My sammy is walking on leash so well.
Hi! Yes, we totally agree that the bond between a dog and it's owner is really important and valuable. That's great that your dog is doing really well. You should be very proud of your Sammy. However, each dog is different and has their own set of things to work on. Olaf is actually a very good dog on a leash. He's definitely come a long way since his puppy days when it was almost impossible to walk him anywhere. He still has his off days from time to time and it'll only get better with time and age. We certainly do not promote the e-collar or prong collar, but we do recognize them as effective tools given certain circumstances. Olaf also really loves his Daddo so that could have also been why he was so chatty.
@@theoandolaf I was watching your videos during past weeks and enjoyed lots of good contents on your channel and it just sadden me to see you’re using aversives for leash walking. I’m sorry but Olaf seems to be so stressed out, uncomfortable and not enjoying the walk. Rodrick, my 7 month Samoyed also used to pull and had leash reactivity but it got resolved in m couple of months without the need of prong collar. What I found useful is to have play sessions with your dog before walk and teach him heal and extended touch command with some good quality treats on walk. He is now always healing, checking with me on walk and happy. We just need to be patient with our dog. Why we ever need to put them in pain and force them to submit?!
@@bmirkhanzadeh Olaf isn't stressed out because of the collar. As I mentioned earlier, Olaf normally does exceptionally well during walks but there were a number of factors that played into his stress. He really loves being with his Daddo but he couldn't because he was filming, so that sort of tends to make him pull more. Also, we usually take him out to play before a walk, but we chose not to this time just so people were able to see Olaf as real as possible. As you could see though, he came when we called him and he didn't chase after people at the park. The bond is definitely there but just certain things trigger him a bit more and those are things we are working on. Again, it's great that your pup is doing really well and that's definitely something to be excited about. We're excited for you, but not every dog is the same. Each dog requires a different amount of attention depending on its needs. We're definitely patient with Olaf but it's obvious we just have different forms of training, which is totally fine! Keep up the good work!
@@theoandolafexactly
Sorry, no. You lost me at prong collar and e-collar. If you can't train a dog without aversive methods, that's about you, not the dog, and you need to educate yourself on training dogs without mistreating them. No Sammy owner I know uses aversive methods, and they have dogs with good manners, and some are therapy dogs. Generally, aversive methods are bad any dog breed for reliable dog training, and particularly so with the sensitive personalities of Sammies. I hope viewers of this video don't try aversive methods with their Sammies.
Thank you for your input. Regardless of the breed, each dog is different from the rest and may need different forms of training. Before the prong collar, Olaf was excessively pulling on the leash and it was impossible to bring him anywhere. Since our trainer introduced the prong collar, he's been much more obedient and better with walking. In general, Olaf has a lot of anxiety and he gets overly excited about certain things, so the prong collar has helped when he begins to pull. What's important is how owners use the collars. If people are just carelessly using these tools without practice or knowledge, then they can certainly hurt their pets. Our trainer has guided us along the way. For the e-collar, which is just a stimulator, we hardly use it anymore, but we do use it when we need to call back Olaf when he refuses to listen. It has gotten him out of some scary situations, especially with violent dogs. I know everyone has their preference and the collars have become stigmatized, but there is no such thing as a one size fits all training method. I'm glad your methods have worked for you and other Sammy's, but Olaf seems to be learning well and we've seen significant improvement. Thank you for your comment.
Our now 5 month old girl Koda, is a very “enthusiastic “ walker. She gets very excited when she sees her leash and the pouch with the treats ( and bags)! Even though she pulls and gets excited when she sees people and other dogs, it’s still an absolute pleasure to be out with her. 😊. They are a challenging breed to say the least! And as you have said, all dogs are different, even if they are the same breed. Don’t be discouraged by the negative feedback. The tools you are using are fine. Anything can be used harmfully, even a leash!! So, you keep doing you. Olaf looks great and obviously loved and well cared for. ❤️