How DID Palpatine (Somehow) RETURN?!
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- Punch It! Poe Dameron may have been a little clueless as to how an Emperor returned 30+ years later, but the majority of audiences found themselves just as clueless. But don't worry! In today's video, I'll be explaining Palpatine's contingency plan...all in UNDER 10 minutes. This is where the fun begins.
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I still need to get through the video, but UNPOPULAR OPINION from me: I don’t think it’s all THAT complicated and I’m actually fine with Palpatine coming back.
The rise of so many different villains both in the EU and canon post-Endor meant that there was always gonna be some challenge to the peace so Anakin’s actions didn’t ultimately guarantee a forever peace. Anakin’s actions were NOT DIMINISHED but the were still important. It was ultimately to save Luke. But they did give the galaxy a chance to come back.
Palpatine’s return was hinted in trailers BEFORE the supposed Fortnite reveal. And even then, he has Sith ways of manifesting back that are even shown IN THE FILMS! (But someone is probably just gonna scream “DOES NOT MATTER THEY BUTCHERED STAR WARS AND JJ DESERVES TO DIE” anyways, because it’s the Star Wars fanbase.)
And even then, it’s a great follow-up. It solidifies Palpatine as a dark entity rising in the shadows to strike back at the galaxy, and he remains formidable across TROS.
Absolutely 100% agree!
Plus any time an evil fascist force is "extinguished", there is almost always a power vacuum. To me, the idea that the ROTJ ending was "We won guys, nobody is gonna fight eachother anymore!" just doesn't hold up when you compare an event like that to actual documented history from the real world imo.
Yeah I agree. We don't need an overexplanation of the mechanics of how he came back (though I do love the legwork Mandalorian and Bad Batch is doing for this)
I can’t lie I don’t think I ever expected to hear “the rise of skywalker is the my second favorite Star Wars movie” in my life
Really optimistic video, as someone who has never hated the sequels but also never really *loved* them, I've definitely noticed excessive hate online for them. While they may not live up to everyone's standards, that's just how movies go, and I know people felt that same way when the Prequels came out as well. Some people love these movies, and some hate them, that's just how it is. You can wish for them to be better, but at the end of the day they're set and stone and there's no reason to go after people who enjoy them for what they are. While I didn't love ROS, I admire how much you adore it and that honestly makes me really happy to see. Great video :)
One of the biggest problems of epIX in my opinion was the lack of set up in previous episodes. It is objectively true that that is a flaw. But, 1 of the best things abt epIX (and SW as a whole) is how it changes with added context. Ever since the Mandalorian came out back in 2019, it started to become more and more clear that the Empire was preparing for Palpatine's return for quite some time now. And that he manipulated them as well. And, as of now, I think that Palpatine returning is 1 of the coolest things in the timeline and the "somehow" part of "Somehow Palpatine returned" speaks great volumes abt the success of his plans (as no one knew how they worked).
Honestly, it’s no surprise to me that the guy who was pursuing the secret of living forever would have a contingency plan in case any part of his plans were thwarted. Quite frankly, I’m just happy to have a clearer explanation, as they didn’t make it completely clear in the movie.
Thanks for making this video! 🙂 Keep loving Star Wars, and may The Force be with you. 😄
People seem so surprised that Palps found a way.
I'm happy to have found a sequel defender like you.
People who cope together stick together
@@XDarkSlayerXsays the EFAP fan 😂
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
TROS needed an extended cut, felt like I was watching the Cliff Notes version of a movie.
Great video! I loved Palpatine's return, both in concept and execution, because it underscored a key theme of Star Wars - that the Sith, drawing their power from darkness and fear but also consumed by their own fear of losing that power and facing oblivion, would desperately seek to cling to their life and their power by the most terrible and unnatural means (Maul's survival also falls in line with this). But despite their twisted efforts, the only true path to immortality in Star Wars is through the Light Side - selflessness and mastery of those darker impulses, love and willing sacrifice, and living on not for one's own power but for others. We see this idea play out in every trilogy - Originals, Prequels, and Sequels, and other stories as well. That thematic idea alone would have been enough for me, but the logistical explanations that followed both within the movie itself and subsequent storytelling all make perfect sense to me. I believe it all tracks beautifully within the larger narrative and thematic tapestry of Star Wars. It also does not undercut the idea of Anakin's sacrifice for me either, for exactly the reasons you outlined.
Furthermore, while I enjoyed the Legends story of Palpatine's return in Dark Empire as well, I think the Canon version of the same concept has been executed far better, and more comfortably aligns with the core ideas of the Saga.
Emperor Sheev Palpatine returned by several means, firstly:
1.Under guidance from ancient Sithal Texts, the as-yet-unseen Lord Darth Blakuunga was able to contact the wayward spirit of Sheev deep in the mysterious Sith Other World by using ancient Adamantinine Woodoo Circlets during an ancient evil Sithal ceremony called Blackgsgashguh. this new power gave Sheev the strength to begin the slow, painful process of re-assembling his atoms over the forest moon of Endor.
2. When his Sith Atom Reassemblage spell was nearly complete, Sheev enacted his secret Sith Order 666, which provided his new body with both a force field and an X-1-BB1 Sith Bomber starship to travel to the mysterious deep core world Byss, where he established his ancient Sith clone army, who promptly began building 1,000 Death Star Destroyers using ancient parts found on the planet's surface (mostly made up of X5-9-BZ Empirical Woodoo Soft-Steel).
3. by 10 ABY he had achieved his final form and sent out a mysterious Sith Vocal Call to all players of the _Fortnite_ video game.
4. Also, Disney were absolutely strapped for ideas and creativity following the disastrous _The Last Jedi,_ where they for some reason killed their main antagonist, so J.J. Abrams and Chris Terrier said "We gonna bring back Palpatine" and so they did, which resulted in the hit flim _Star Wars: Episode IX: Rise of Skywalker._
5. Star Wars fans deserve much, _much_ better than what Disney have tossed them.
Where did the Empire get the money to have that fleet built 11 years prior. Deficit spending truly is the Dark Side.
As someone who enjoyed the sequel trilogy, I just knew through the kaminoian technology and even other sith secrets palpatine “somehow” lived on. I mean one of his biggest goals was finding some form of immortality so of course he used every source he would find to live forever. With Mandalorian and bad batch it just confirms how Palpatine was able to live on in Exegol and slowly rebuild his empire with fanatics like Pryde of the original empire and the children of Exegol raised to follow him
I’m a fan of The Rise of Skywalker for all the things you pointed out. Thanks for the video!
We are Twitter mutuals but I haven't been on that account in years. Was not expecting to see you when I clicked on this video lol
Awesome video dude, finally someone who’s more positive about The Sequel Trilogy and am glad to find someone like you!
I also subscribe to your UA-cam channel!
Revenge of the Sith:
"Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerfull and so wise that he could influence the Midi-Chlorians to create life...He had such a knowlege of the dark side, that he could even keep the ones he cared about...from dying."
Revenge of the Sith/Rise of Skywalker:
"The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some considered to be unnatural."
Rise of Skywalker:
"Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew"
Rise of Skywalker:
"I have died before...kill me and my spirit will pass into you, as all the Sith live in me. You will be Empress. We will be one."
That is enough bits and pieces to have a vague understanding of his ressurection. Now with The Bad Batch and The Mandalorian introducing Project Necromancer, things start adding up pretty well. Lets not forget we also had a entire Clone Wars Arc about imortality for Jedi vs Sith. That being the Yoda Journey in Season 6. That has always been a major theme in Star Wars. And lets not pretend that George Lucas didn't ressurected Darth Maul out of nowhere either.
Also the Dark Empire series in Legends.
"Did you ever hear the tragety of Darth Plageius the Wise?"
i think the best way to take in the information is by watching all the movies in order and THEN watching the scene fresh? it makes more sense, people are watching this movie in some cases with literal years worth of gap since the last time they watched movies like episode 1 let alone the whole prequel trilogy, i highly doubt anyone watched ep. 3 right before they watched TRoS....but if you DO so? it fit's like a glove.
palpatines entire relevance in the prequels is based entirely around the fact that he tempts anakin to the dark side BECAUSE of his promise to him to teach him the power to cheat death...that was always the point. so when you watch the fact that palpatine was literally smart enough to preform THE most convoluted plan in existence to destroy the jedi order and set himself up as emperor? on TOP of his whole story about his master who unlocked the secret of cheating death? there is no question he is the kinda guy who would set up a contingency plan to save himself in case he ever died.....the guy literally sabotaged vaders suit to make it specifically susceptible to lightning attacks specifically to cheat they system and have a contingency plan to save himself....honestly, there is so much shit palpatine is given credit for that he accomplished in LESS than 2 decades but the MFer is given 3 whole ass decades and people are out here pretending to be confused on how it's possible....it's fucking MAGIC
Love this video! You explain everything perfectly. TROS is my favourite, so nice to see some good faith discussion.
I’m honestly one of those people who honestly thinks that Palpatine returning makes a decent amount of sense. I mean, let’s be real here: Sheev literally had 50,000 back-up plans, so it’s unsurprising he would’ve had a plan for his return in the event he died. I do think it could’ve been executed a whole lot better, but I do believe that it can work.
I agree with this
@@madlad1741Not necessarily. Does it ruin Anakin defeating the Sith? Maybe, but the whole point of that final scene is to show Anakin's redemption and return to the light. That part isn't sacrificed. Again, although it retcons episode 6 a bit, you can still make it work.
Mad respect for sharing your unpopular thoughts on this. It’s cool to see someone explain why they like something that’s widely disliked, and not make the opposing view sound evil.
Yes because when trying to understand the plot of a movie you should first be an expert on all the law from the books, TV shows, comics etc...
No, the answers should be in the movie. If you're going to have the big bad cheat death and come back, fine; but you shouldn't have to go to the ancillary works for info.
That's the problem with people like this, (saying that it's the first video of this guy I've ever seen and it'll probably be the last!) but when you're sitting in the theatre for a couple of hours of entertainment you shouldn't have to have first invested 100s of hours to understand it.
I remember back in the day watching the response to the Mass Effect 3 by Mrbtongue, and how it's biggest flaw was the loss of narrative coherence and the same thing is true here. I couldn't enjoy the movie because a million "Wait... What?!" questions were going through my head.
Any story needs a clear progression from A to B to C etc... and the sequel trilogy doesn't have it. For all the flaws of the prequels it at least had a semblance of narrative coherence, all the way from the inciting incident on Naboo to Anakin's fall and the rise of the Empire.
Imagine if you'd got to the end of Episode 3 and gone "wait, why did that happen? What's all that about?" and someone said "Oh it all makes sense if you watched The Clone Wars TV show!" (Yes I know the show came out after the movies, I'm just making a point).
How did Darth Maul ( somehow) return?
You have a ps5?
see the Bd Batch series 3
That is... An impressive movie ranking. I'm gonna lose sleep over this one
After seeing that clip again from the Battlefront II 2017 campaign of that creepy Palpatine message, I gotta say I find it baffling and hilarious that a lot of folks thought "Somehow Palpatine returned..." came out of nowhere, when in reality the clues were blatantly obvious and always there imo.
Again, from the creepy Palpatine hologram in the Battefront II 2017, that music cue for the Emperor in The Last Jedi when Snoke is torturing Rey, along with so many other hints, it seems to me like the "PALPATINE'S RETURN WAS NEVER PLANNED YOU GUYZ!!!" argument that's been pervasive for so long never should've gotten a foothold in the first place.
Similar to your disclaimer, I'm not here to change anybody's mind. People can like what they like with Star Wars and that's fine. I just wish it was possible to enjoy something in Star Wars without all the relentless negativity, in-fighting, and personal attacks. Keep up the great work man, I really appreciate you and your perspective!
Respect, though its not my favorite movie I enjoy still TROS (dare I say I enjoy all star wars movies shocker) and seeing this actually made my day instead of all the crap most of the fandom comes with. You earned yourself a new sub
I'm on board simply because you have the guts to announce to the world that Rise is your 2nd favorite. Bold, and I'm here for that kind of positivity.
Frankly it's pretty much on par with all the other nonsense in this franchise. I have never heard anybody accuse Star Wars of being well written
I mean yeah, it's bad. Of course it is. It's Star Wars. And it's clear that the angry incels who were obsessed with hating The Last Jedi freaked out the mouse and they decided to change course so they had to cobble something together right fast. It's also pretty much par for the course in this children's space wizard franchise with its silly muppets, toyetic helmets, and pew pew laser guns
I liked that we first found out that he returned in the Fortnite live event
Palpatine really said, “Where we dropping?!”
See but the issue is that the majority of movie goers aren’t familiar with all the light novels, and animated shows lore tidbits. Given that, it makes palpatine’s return really feel like an ass pull. Not only that but the fact that the sequel trilogy turned me who had been a huge Star Wars fan for almost 20 years; to a person who couldn’t care less about anything Star Wars related coming out whatsoever, is quite telling in my opinion.
Well you still care enough to watch videos about it clearly.
@@carson5090I was curious to hear his take, but unfortunately felt like he was reaching a bit.
You know what, this video has me completely turned around on this movie. I wasn't a huge fan before but now I can definitely see it's merits.
Great video! In my personal opinion, I just didn’t like that he returned, because I felt like it ruined Anakin‘s character arc
The thing is, Anakin wasn’t trying to kill Palpatine to save the galaxy. He was trying to SAVE LUKE. His arc is still intact and doesn’t get ruined in any way. He still has his redemption and return to the light.
@@HumbleAshein the own George Lucas Words, anakin is the one who brings balance to the force by killing palpatine and him, no matter what the reason was. So respectfully your comment doesn’t make any sense
@@HumbleAshebut the whole point of Anakin is that he’s the chosen one and he’s the one to destroy the Sith and bring balance. Which he did in episode 6, just for them to undo it with the sequels.
@@MrWord283well I mean, he does technically still kill him.
Honestly? Palp’s plan isn’t really that complicated…
Emperor of the galaxy that orchestrated the downfall of a thousand year galactic government and primordial rival in the Jedi Order would bank everything on whether or not Luke would turn on Vader and succeed him as his new apprentice? Did he really not have any kind of backdoor or contingency? For a man like Palpatine, the idea of having such a backup plan is *hardly* a shock. So there’s the “why” aspect cleared up
Palpatine having an incomplete clone body that he transfers his essence between works because they have explicit drawbacks - he’s not just back again like Maul or something, he has to scheme and plot to regain his proper form. Essence transfer itself is also pretty mundane as far as sci fi goes, not a stretch for a powerful Sith Lord to pull off, esp when there’s some who got close to cracking literal immortality. So that’s the “how” cleared up.
Overall it’s a plot twist I think isn’t actually that bad. Poe’s line just looks AWFUL when you suck it out of its in-scene context and push it as the film’s lone explanation, but the movie itself shows you what went down fine enough all on its lonesome.
Defending the sequels, that takes some stones. Nice take though and whilst I don't agree on all of your points it was well explained.
It did make me think a lot about context though. When Ep 4 was released there was so much left unexplained in the universe and it was cool! We could ponder things like "Who was the senate?" or "What's Spice and what's Kessel like?" People speculated and wondered and talked new stories were told.
You can't launch a franchise like that now without the inevitable backlash. Rebel Moon being a case in point. Even existing franchises suffer with people being unable to suspend any disbelief. Space wizards with laser swords is fine, but bombs that 'drop' in space is too much?
Nah mate, Rebel Moon was just a shit movie because Zack Snyder is incompetent.
I can definitely understand it. But I wish the films were more cohesive
Good video! I’m mostly OK with the explanation given for his return (although it could have been better within the actual film), but I do wish they had just gone a different direction entirely instead of bringing him back in the first place.
Somehow, Palpatine’s return makes more sense. You just need more context.
-CVGWJames
Palpatine returning was cool, I just wish that The Last Jedi actually set that up better, and that Luke didn't die in TLJ, and that Rey didn't just somehow overpower Palpatine due to plot armor and stuff like that
Because JJ Abrams couldnt do anything else and KK wanted Rey to be The One.
Why do you sound as if you are in pain?
*Bad writing. You're welcome..*
It calls *Bad Writing.* That’s how Palpatine returned.
You really don’t have any problem with palpatine coming back despite, that fact destroys anakins legacy?
I explain this in the video, and why I don’t believe that it does. If you do, that’s cool, you do you! It works for me tbh
@@lightspeedskipper yeah I saw it, just asking, the only reason he is back is because the whim of one director without any “villain”. It was the perfect opportunity to have kylo ren as the main villain, that would have been perfect
I was going to watch this video, but then this "subject" said Rise of Skywalker was his second favorite movie, and that was it. Dislike and close the video.
Woof, this is a trash take
Trash
The movies suck.