When John surprisingly showed up in Sydney we could not believe our eyes - NYC CNC has a massive following in Australia and we absolutely love his videos. Meeting him was a real pleasure - John is down to earth, genuine, enthusiastic young man and an asset to CNC community. The video he took in our workshop is completely unscripted, filmed in one go. Thank you mate and I hope we'll see you again in Sydney. A quick intro to the video: 18 months ago our workshop was just an empty storage facility. Our plan was to go slowly and acquire 1 CNC machine annually, learn slowly, and take our time. However, we got really excited and ended up with 4 machines in less than a year which are now imported, tooled, setup and running. The entire workshop is run by 20 year old Josh, assisted by Andrew (who only joined us a few months ago as an apprentice). Two of them do everything from design, tooling, CAD / CAM , coding to actually running the machines. Every single piece of equipment, tool and raw material you see in this video is imported into Australia which in itself is a major logistical challenge, but we are very proud that we are starting an entire industry so far away from US/Europe/Japan. Our ultimate goal is to become an educational facility and train young Australian kids in the art of watchmaking. A lifetime journey! For any young person out there interested in CNC : keep the dream alive, keep working hard, keep learning and keep making the world better place .
Nick it's great to see what you're doing, thanks for letting us have a look into your workshop. Fantastic to see some advanced manufacturing still happening in Australia. Your workshop and equipment are amazing - I'm envious, with "only" a Tormach and manual lathe in my little garage shop down here in Geelong. Those lads really know their stuff, I was surprised to hear Josh is just 20! If/when you get classes up and running I'd love to learn about watchmaking, even if I don't qualify as a young kid any more :)
Out of all the shop tours this was by far the most intriguing one. Sounds like the young man has a bright future and can’t wait to see the products they produce.
I feel rather insignificant for being able to hold +-.001 on a TL1 lathe and VF3 now. Great work guys. Shops like this and machinists like this are people who I look up to.
Bug Robotics , I think KERN started off making theodolites, they still do, I assume it is the same company. Yes, very impressive, probably has heated ways and through warm up sequence.
Wow, wow, wow... John, thanks for an excellent video. I'm absolutely fascinated by the machines and their accuracy. The mind boggles!. I can't believe this guy is only 20 years old. Regards Kevin MachineNZ (New Zealand)
I watched half and had to pause to comment. Best video I've seen in my life. Fascinating. I would move to Australia to work for them. Thanks for shooting this!
I love this video John! Thank you so much for doing these tours, especially to Aus. It's wonderful to see :) This is awesome motivation for all of us (especially us Australian) manufacturers. You're a legend!
Nope. Most watch collectors will only buy swiss. For better or for worse, that does not appear to be changing. The swiss companies survived the 'quartz crisis' and only got stronger. I have no doubt this company will sell watches. But let's see if they are still around in 20 years.
@@Glockenstein0869 It's been 4 years since this video is recorded - and yes, we still make watches. We have also expended the workshop, added a few more machines (grinding, micro blasting, micro polishing) and just placed an order for the latest KERN 5 axis milling machine. See you in 2038!
H6 tolerance collets, compare that to spindle run out of tool room mill/CNC. Very impressed with all/watch manufacture, look up h7 tolerance for ≤3.00 mm. Nice and very interesting video, many thanks for showing this.
Just read the article on the Hacko family in the Feb 2019 issue of MMS. Awesome shop, and Josh appears to be a talented individual steering the family business in the right direction.
Very Nice machinery and organisation! I had the opportunity to interview for a job with them, regret taking another job instead. Specially now that I've become heavily interest in time pieces.
Great tour John thank you. Well done to your wife too for being so patient! If we are away I usually get dropped off (at a museum or whatever) while she goes shopping.
Minute 16.27 Old Moore jig grinder, yes I ran one and it had a thermometer in the quill, I persuaded my employer to build a separate room and have climate control, it worked I loved that job!!!!
Was so excited for this tour when you mentioned it on the podcast! Thanks for sharing, watchmaking was a big reason I jumped into the machining world, terrifyingly awesome machines!
straya mate! Sidaneey 2019- just found this👍👨💻👉🤪( that worldcup guy) Nicholas Hacko Watchmaker Machine Shop Tour dam techporn in oz straya 🐨📈 welcome John NYC-CNC UR THE MAN BRO! we all luv your TechPorn shows👩⚕️👨⚖️ i just found NYC 2 months ago ? and on it 24/7 watch all i can 🐨👍
Um....my phone has a clock on it. I guess mechanical watches are for the a certain type of super stud. Thanks for the tour, amazing nc machines. Hope you do well.
John, if you are ever in Japan please let me know. I can hook you up with some Japanese companies for some shop tours. I was at the DMG Mori open house last week. You would of loved it.
Wire EDM is planar, but the work can be moved to any angle. You could for instance make beveled gears with EDM. Still, EDM is not limited to wire EDM. As long as there is means to flush out waste material you could emboss a logo into a surface. It's quite an amazing bit of tech. No good shop should be without one.
That's what ram/diesinking EDM is for. I spent 2 years running those making aerospace and medical titanium forging dies, but I'm also a trained watchmaker. I went to school for it for 2 years. These guys are basically using my exact dream equipment- specifically the Pyramid Nano mill. I would kill to work on any of this, I know Heidenhein and a lot of this. Their movement looks to be a clone of the common ETA 6497 caliber so many brands modify, or many school watches in the US are made from. If I hit the lottery- I'd be doing exactly what they are doing without pay for fun.
That's pretty large investments in machinery there for a small company in the start up phase. I would likely have had screws, at least, made by someone which specialize in that field like Laubscher in Switzerland. I don't quite get it, investing in that Citizen machine, that likely can manufacture all screws they need for a year, in 1 day?
finally system conversionon screen can you do the same but than the other way around so us metrik guys dont have to pauze the video to convert to metrick
Woohoo... i loved every part of this video... but the cherry on the top was quoting measurments in metric and having to put the imperial measurments on screen... I really dont get why america sticks to imperial measuments in engineering. Can anyone explain why?
They have had the metric system for years but are still getting used to it. "In 1875 the United States solidified its commitment to the development of the internationally recognized metric system by becoming one of the original seventeen signatory nations to the Metre Convention, also known as the Treaty of the Metre. The signing of this international agreement concluded five years of meetings in which the metric system was reformulated, refining the accuracy of its standards."
Lots of existing tooling - aerospace for a long time has been imperial specs, and a lot of the hydraulic and mechanical parts have only been in imperial nominal sizes. Automotive has almost completely gone over to metric, outside of some heavy vehicle systems (air and hydraulics) and people are getting more used to it, but all of our sheet, bar, and tube stock is imperial nominal sizes, and things like building codes and safety specs are also in imperial. Used to do bus and coach body work, and I had a metric set of tape measures and scales for the Mexican-designed buses and imperial for the US-designed ones.
I remember a story from Airbus while developing the A380. They had sent details to a manufacturer in the USA to make a electrical connector. all the measurements were in metric, but the bloke who was given the part to fabricate the sample converted to imperial.The part cost several thousand Dollars, and was only about 60cm long. Needless to say, when it arrived back in France to and they went to connect it up, it just did not fit. Not only did the pins not mate up, but it was too short.. When they found out what had happened, the engineer used a basic 25mm per inch. It may have stood a chance if he used 25.4mm They had to re-make it.....
Here's a little thought: all the legal descriptions of real estate, properties, contracts and more are based on the Imperial system going back to the foundation of the country. The money needed to resurvey, convert and otherwise rewrite all this would be enormous. Let's make a deal... we'll change to metric when the rest of the ex-British empire and Japan start driving on the other side of the road!😉
we use straight water in our wire machines, but dielectric fluid in our sinker edms, i thinks its just whatever the manufacturer requires for the machine
Distilled Water, is a better description, but yea I've used it in a few areas where I needed to run Water next to electronics, still it does raise the issue that it wants to attract particles so the more the same water is used the more conductive it becomes if it interacts with any form of metal.
They likely don't use deionized water due to the extreme tolerances they have to hold on their parts. As I understand it, deionized water as an EDM dielectric fluid allows for higher machining speed but results in less precision due to its larger spark gap.
New subscriber here....my bad, meant no disrespect, I didn't know that. Came here from Uncle Bumblefuck's garage and now I'm hooked. Love the content, will keep watching.
When John surprisingly showed up in Sydney we could not believe our eyes - NYC CNC has a massive following in Australia and we absolutely love his videos. Meeting him was a real pleasure - John is down to earth, genuine, enthusiastic young man and an asset to CNC community. The video he took in our workshop is completely unscripted, filmed in one go. Thank you mate and I hope we'll see you again in Sydney. A quick intro to the video: 18 months ago our workshop was just an empty storage facility. Our plan was to go slowly and acquire 1 CNC machine annually, learn slowly, and take our time. However, we got really excited and ended up with 4 machines in less than a year which are now imported, tooled, setup and running. The entire workshop is run by 20 year old Josh, assisted by Andrew (who only joined us a few months ago as an apprentice). Two of them do everything from design, tooling, CAD / CAM , coding to actually running the machines. Every single piece of equipment, tool and raw material you see in this video is imported into Australia which in itself is a major logistical challenge, but we are very proud that we are starting an entire industry so far away from US/Europe/Japan. Our ultimate goal is to become an educational facility and train young Australian kids in the art of watchmaking. A lifetime journey!
For any young person out there interested in CNC : keep the dream alive, keep working hard, keep learning and keep making the world better place .
Nick it's great to see what you're doing, thanks for letting us have a look into your workshop. Fantastic to see some advanced manufacturing still happening in Australia. Your workshop and equipment are amazing - I'm envious, with "only" a Tormach and manual lathe in my little garage shop down here in Geelong.
Those lads really know their stuff, I was surprised to hear Josh is just 20! If/when you get classes up and running I'd love to learn about watchmaking, even if I don't qualify as a young kid any more :)
Thanks again for hosting us and for the kind words. Keep doing what you're doing!
Thanks heaps to Nick & Josh!
I see a call sign. 73's from KC8SIR. Great video and nice shop!
Daniel Via 73 mate!
Amazing indeed! We wish you a lot of succes with the KERN Pyramid Nano!
Out of all the shop tours this was by far the most intriguing one. Sounds like the young man has a bright future and can’t wait to see the products they produce.
This video makes me feel like I need to clean my shop!
I feel rather insignificant for being able to hold +-.001 on a TL1 lathe and VF3 now. Great work guys. Shops like this and machinists like this are people who I look up to.
Your Dad must be very proud. Keep it up!
Kern...hydrostatic ways...drooling
Bug Robotics , I think KERN started off making theodolites, they still do, I assume it is the same company.
Yes, very impressive, probably has heated ways and through warm up sequence.
Wow, wow, wow... John, thanks for an excellent video. I'm absolutely fascinated by the machines and their accuracy. The mind boggles!. I can't believe this guy is only 20 years old.
Regards
Kevin
MachineNZ (New Zealand)
I watched half and had to pause to comment. Best video I've seen in my life. Fascinating. I would move to Australia to work for them. Thanks for shooting this!
"More accurate than shrink fit....."
Lots of talk about microns. Seriously awesome.
I love this video John! Thank you so much for doing these tours, especially to Aus. It's wonderful to see :) This is awesome motivation for all of us (especially us Australian) manufacturers. You're a legend!
Evonne looks thrilled to be there! She's a trooper.
LOL
Awesome! I learnt a lot about Wire EDM in that video. Thanks heaps.
I have a feeling if these guys and clickspring join forces they could do some serious damage to the watch industry
Nope. Most watch collectors will only buy swiss. For better or for worse, that does not appear to be changing. The swiss companies survived the 'quartz crisis' and only got stronger. I have no doubt this company will sell watches. But let's see if they are still around in 20 years.
@@Glockenstein0869 It's been 4 years since this video is recorded - and yes, we still make watches. We have also expended the workshop, added a few more machines (grinding, micro blasting, micro polishing) and just placed an order for the latest KERN 5 axis milling machine. See you in 2038!
Wonderful episode. Guy is so young but knows his kitchen extremely well, I am genuinely impressed. As an European also loved the metric episode :)
Thanks for the tour John, that was great. I'm a watch collector, so that was very interesting.
Another Fascinating Vid. Thanks John and the people at Hacko.
H6 tolerance collets, compare that to spindle run out of tool room mill/CNC. Very impressed with all/watch manufacture, look up h7 tolerance for ≤3.00 mm.
Nice and very interesting video, many thanks for showing this.
We make watches in Australia? Wow! I’m going to go look at buying one. So rare to see stuff made here.
Great tour and a great video! Josh seems like such a chill guy. Looking forward to seeing more from them!
Just read the article on the Hacko family in the Feb 2019 issue of MMS. Awesome shop, and Josh appears to be a talented individual steering the family business in the right direction.
Very Nice machinery and organisation! I had the opportunity to interview for a job with them, regret taking another job instead. Specially now that I've become heavily interest in time pieces.
Wow! Really cool video. Thanks! I learned a lot. Never seen an EDM machine before.
yes thanks John. Been waiting for this one for awhile.
Simply brilliant !
I love the bored wife on her phone. Yvonne is a saint!
What magnificent toys to play with.
Great tour John thank you. Well done to your wife too for being so patient! If we are away I usually get dropped off (at a museum or whatever) while she goes shopping.
man, i am loving this series! keep going!
Its intriguing to see the AF90. I have had the privilege to setup and operate one
He deserves to succeed . Amazing machines. I would uy one of his watches.
Very nice, congrats! I wish you guys all the best.
Minute 16.27 Old Moore jig grinder, yes I ran one and it had a thermometer in the quill, I persuaded my employer to build a separate room and have climate control, it worked I loved that job!!!!
Awesome Nicholas. Your're living my dream....
best tour in my opinion
well the starrett factory tour is a runner up
Glad I could watch.
NYCCNC Down Under! Welcome to the world's largest island nation. Hope you enjoy your stay.
Very cool. Im in Sydney so will be checking them out.
Was so excited for this tour when you mentioned it on the podcast! Thanks for sharing, watchmaking was a big reason I jumped into the machining world, terrifyingly awesome machines!
Fascinating...great video as well
Thumbs up before the video even started. Now let's watch this thing.
straya mate! Sidaneey 2019- just found this👍👨💻👉🤪( that worldcup guy) Nicholas Hacko Watchmaker Machine Shop Tour dam techporn in oz straya 🐨📈
welcome John NYC-CNC UR THE MAN BRO! we all luv your TechPorn shows👩⚕️👨⚖️ i just found NYC 2 months ago ? and on it 24/7 watch all i can 🐨👍
A million dollar investment in just 2 machine. Would really go Nd work for these people. Toolmaking is not dead in Australia
Hello John, you got an awesome host there.
Great video, Cheers!
Um....my phone has a clock on it. I guess mechanical watches are for the a certain type of super stud.
Thanks for the tour, amazing nc machines. Hope you do well.
Cute little super detailed machines!
Beautiful!
Only about a year later Grimsmo has a Tornos lathe and even a 5-axis Kern machine. Only the EDM machine is still missing 😉
Yay! Metric baby! :)
Wow, wow, wow.
Welcome to Australia Mate, assuming your still here. What brings you down under? Love the videos.
Just awesome!
Amazing....I love mechanical watches. Thanks!!
THE FACTORY LOOKS CLEAN 👍 BUT HOW MANY DROP BEARS OUTSIDE ? 🐨🤪
Pyno is by far the most accurate machine I've ran from kern. And I've operated all sorts of kerns.
Where was Nick? I've been following this project for years.
STRAYA!
John, if you are ever in Japan please let me know. I can hook you up with some Japanese companies for some shop tours. I was at the DMG Mori open house last week. You would of loved it.
I was thinking Hakko soldering stations when i heard the name Hacko...
Really cool stuff, even if it was mostly over my head.
Wire EDM is planar, but the work can be moved to any angle. You could for instance make beveled gears with EDM. Still, EDM is not limited to wire EDM. As long as there is means to flush out waste material you could emboss a logo into a surface. It's quite an amazing bit of tech. No good shop should be without one.
That's what ram/diesinking EDM is for. I spent 2 years running those making aerospace and medical titanium forging dies, but I'm also a trained watchmaker. I went to school for it for 2 years. These guys are basically using my exact dream equipment- specifically the Pyramid Nano mill. I would kill to work on any of this, I know Heidenhein and a lot of this. Their movement looks to be a clone of the common ETA 6497 caliber so many brands modify, or many school watches in the US are made from. If I hit the lottery- I'd be doing exactly what they are doing without pay for fun.
@@CaskStrength777 ...and I'm envious of your experience. The grass really IS greener on the other side!
That's pretty large investments in machinery there for a small company in the start up phase. I would likely have had screws, at least, made by someone which specialize in that field like Laubscher in Switzerland. I don't quite get it, investing in that Citizen machine, that likely can manufacture all screws they need for a year, in 1 day?
finally system conversionon screen can you do the same but than the other way around so us metrik guys dont have to pauze the video to convert to metrick
Woohoo... i loved every part of this video... but the cherry on the top was quoting measurments in metric and having to put the imperial measurments on screen...
I really dont get why america sticks to imperial measuments in engineering. Can anyone explain why?
They have had the metric system for years but are still getting used to it. "In 1875 the United States solidified its commitment to the development of the internationally recognized metric system by becoming one of the original seventeen signatory nations to the Metre Convention, also known as the Treaty of the Metre. The signing of this international agreement concluded five years of meetings in which the metric system was reformulated, refining the accuracy of its standards."
Micheal Connor - yeah... but no bugger uses in in USA. 😁 every engineering video i watch i am doing approxamate conversions...
Lots of existing tooling - aerospace for a long time has been imperial specs, and a lot of the hydraulic and mechanical parts have only been in imperial nominal sizes.
Automotive has almost completely gone over to metric, outside of some heavy vehicle systems (air and hydraulics) and people are getting more used to it, but all of our sheet, bar, and tube stock is imperial nominal sizes, and things like building codes and safety specs are also in imperial.
Used to do bus and coach body work, and I had a metric set of tape measures and scales for the Mexican-designed buses and imperial for the US-designed ones.
I remember a story from Airbus while developing the A380. They had sent details to a manufacturer in the USA to make a electrical connector. all the measurements were in metric, but the bloke who was given the part to fabricate the sample converted to imperial.The part cost several thousand Dollars, and was only about 60cm long. Needless to say, when it arrived back in France to and they went to connect it up, it just did not fit. Not only did the pins not mate up, but it was too short.. When they found out what had happened, the engineer used a basic 25mm per inch. It may have stood a chance if he used 25.4mm
They had to re-make it.....
Here's a little thought: all the legal descriptions of real estate, properties, contracts and more are based on the Imperial system going back to the foundation of the country. The money needed to resurvey, convert and otherwise rewrite all this would be enormous.
Let's make a deal... we'll change to metric when the rest of the ex-British empire and Japan start driving on the other side of the road!😉
I'm guessing you are no longer here? (Australia)
#goals
How much did the air fare cost?
What is the name of that tourquise cnc it is a seismens ir a gear somthing
Man... Can't imagine the payments. How?
laminar flow? Somewhere on earth Dustin from smarter every day just turned his head in the direction of Sydney
AUSTRAILIA MATEEE
Why not avoid the burnishing and use a jeweled bearing?
a jewelled bearing still needs to be burnished? jewelled pivots dont like to be dropped much.
Hey if you guys want an adult apprentice with experience in Esprit, HSM, Fusion 360 and Heidenhain 5 axis work HMU lol
I dislike the sound frequencies edm's make. I use to do work edm'ing .001" holes in cobalt and nickel alloys. Well anywhere from .001 up to .040"
Interesting enough. Pure water doesn't conduct electricity.
we use straight water in our wire machines, but dielectric fluid in our sinker edms, i thinks its just whatever the manufacturer requires for the machine
Distilled Water, is a better description, but yea I've used it in a few areas where I needed to run Water next to electronics, still it does raise the issue that it wants to attract particles so the more the same water is used the more conductive it becomes if it interacts with any form of metal.
TheSteamPunkDevil distilled water can be conductive. Only deionised water is truly non conductive.
They likely don't use deionized water due to the extreme tolerances they have to hold on their parts. As I understand it, deionized water as an EDM dielectric fluid allows for higher machining speed but results in less precision due to its larger spark gap.
My edm is a Victor 100
Had trouble concentrating on the gentleman's explanations on account OF THE CHICK AND GUY IN THE BACK JAW-JACKING.
Otherwise, nice treat.
Exmachina the chick aka john’s wife....lmao
You try convincing your wife to spend 3 hours at a machine shop while on vacation ;)
New subscriber here....my bad, meant no disrespect, I didn't know that. Came here from Uncle Bumblefuck's garage and now I'm hooked.
Love the content, will keep watching.
Cheers :)
I hope you bought her a nice meal or a new watch for being 'dragged' around a machine shop whilst on her holiday XD.
That is a beautiful shop. Or rather Lab. This video cost me a wireless keyboard. Drool damage!!!
Austrailia...
I'd feel like a butcher in an OR..
First!
Go to mwi-inc.com for edm consumables
push buttons. not watchmaker.. i am sorry, not sorry ,CNC is not watchmaking!!!
Watchmaker is a very loose term all I saw was a bunch of machines making watches
Nicholas Jackof, blah blah alright, show us how it works