Wow, the precision and attention to detail with these guys is amazing.... I can't believe they got that valve from $25k and a 6 month lead time down to $9k and 1 day lead time. Amazing work by the guys over at Triton Space Technologies. They should be proud of the work they are doing!
As a former Glowforge backer (and very brief owner) it's always interesting/cool to see one being used. It's a shame that they didn't prioritize positional accuracy, despite many pleas on their forum from their customers.
I was very excited about Wazer as well and was also backer (backer #1, in fact :) ) but my Glowforge experience soured me on crowdfunding and I canceled my pledge at the last moment after they wouldn't tell us what their pressure *target* was. If it makes you feel any better, I've regretted canceling several times (I go back and forth), so it's kind-of a catch 22.
MySchizo Buddy I got a Trotec Speedy 100, a 30-watt-er. It was much more expensive than the Glowforge (even getting it used) but it was immediately available and has been very reliable. For instance, my machine was used (by someone other than me) to cut the majority of a successful Kickstarter. :)
Loved seeing some great high tech machines next to things like a harbor freight sandblaster and what looked like a us general toolbox too. Knowing what is worth spending money on and what isn't is a great business scale. Also is it always so clean or was there some cleaning for the tour?
Good pont John, but isn't that a fun prospect‽ the day we see a dirty aerospace shop is the day space travel officially starts being mainstream haha. P.S. kaizen foam has been a huge part in keeping myself organized! thank you for that and everything else
I have used the anodized identification plates from McMaster several times (Black, Blue, Gold, Green, Orange, Red, Yellow available). We didn't have a laser. Instead made a fixture plate and used an engraving tool in the HAAS. Had a few that were bowed and that would affect engraving consistency. They run about $2 each but when you have a production run of 5-10 machines that is inconsequential.
Listening to two expert talk short hand is like listening to a foreign language you took in high school. You recognize bits and pieces but it takes 10 seconds to process. ;)
Come down to Florida for a launch! Maybe me and Mike (physics anonymous) could get you in for a tour at the space center. Visitor complex has given us some great access on years past!
Rocket porn! Complete with pixelated bit! Everyone talks about the turbo pumps, chamber pressures and temperatures the nozzle has to deal with but the real secret sauce is that injector plate. If you don't get the injector plate right, you don't have a rocket engine.
Don't know what you mean about them being bananas? But here's a little SSME trivia, the space shuttle main engine turbo pumps are the highest horsepower per lb machine ever devised.
They're fairly similar to a jet engine in that gasses turn a turbine to generate shaft power to turn pumps; the wikipedia article is a pretty good read.
Very interesting about that valve. We use 3000psi hydraulic solenoid actuated valves very similar to that one even with JIC fittings but they don't even cost a grand. Even if it is machined from inconel 9k seams a good price to get. I guess the market is good and maybe the liability is high so 7K of the price is insurance.
Traceability costs. In most aerospace, every component is traceable to a batch of raw material, certified to conform to its published design specifications, and manufactured to applicable standards backed by an audited quality process. Every screw, bolt, washer, seal, blank, casting, rod, wire, connector etc. If a bolt fractures unexpectedly the FAA need to be able to find every plane containing that bolts of the same batch before they start falling from the sky. The bolts would be analyzed to understand why the failure occurred including going back to the foundry that created the alloy if a material quality failure is suspected. (Then they'll find all planes containing other components made from that batch of alloy too.) That paperwork trail gets expensive fast. Getting items or paperwork confused between product batches during manufacturing can result in both batches being destroyed. Material handling processes to prevent that happening cost money, and a prerequisite is buying or leasing enough physical space to bring order and remove chaos. Conformance is based on quality systems that require qualified tools and calibrated test instruments. Using the incorrect tool or an instrument lacking valid calibration and the part cannot be certified. At the least, rework would be needed to re-mediate those issues - an engineer would need to determine whether the tool damaged a component requiring its replacement, or whether the step needs to be redone using the correct tool. The test would need to be redone with a calibrated tool. From the Receiving department to the Shipping department, everything is done deliberately and involves paperwork processing. Every box opened is inspected for valid Certificates of Conformance and serial or batch identification that can be matched to the doodads in the box without a hint of confusion, or it gets returned to vendor. Every box shipped is inspected for inclusion of the same. All of that validation takes paid time. At the back end, all of that paperwork must be securely stored and curated. Now consider that for some aerospace the products being manufactured are sensitive and require employees to be vetted. That drives the labor cost up too. All of those costs get reflected in product pricing.
An AQM-34 drone systems uses a small turbine. Very small compared almost everything that is jet engine driven. As small as it is, when standing next to the test stand during engine run up is incredibly loud. At idle you can sorta can hear someone yelling. When throttled up, the sound just saturates all your senses. It's hard to put in words how loud it is. And that is a SMALL engine. Can't imagine what the shuttle or a rocket engine would be like if you were inside the safety zone.
Very cool business! PS. I'd love to see a tour of a company (have know idea who machines these) that machines the turbo pumps that feed rocket engines that he mentioned. Those pumps spin at unbelievably high speeds...like around a 100,000 rpm. I would think those pumps impellers would have to be machined and balanced to incredible tolerances in order to sustain the kind of stresses that they'd be subjected to.
I thought the "SL" designator on the Samsung lathe was more than a co-incidence. My boss has an old Mori SL-2 that the z axis went out on and he won't spend the money to fix it. I'm currently trying to diagnose it in my spare time because I would love to use it. I hear that they'll keep 1/10,000 all day long.
John, you were in New England :-(, no meet and greet to your armchair apprentice fans ...... Don't tell me you stop by Keith too.... Tool shop tour are great ... Thanks for the tours... Much appreciated .
We'll be back in Connecticut in a few weeks - come visit us at www.yamazen.com/2018/04/06/yamazen-inc-announces-the-grand-opening-of-the-northeast-technical-center-in-newington-connecticut/
Got a Samsung mill at my last job and the installer crash Z and busted the ball screw lol. the threw spindle coolant line popped off about a month after we had it.
1:30 why are you not working anymore for SpaceX? to me is the company where all want to go. they inovate all time dont wait month till fix the problem. Money?, hors work per week?
Wow, the precision and attention to detail with these guys is amazing.... I can't believe they got that valve from $25k and a 6 month lead time down to $9k and 1 day lead time. Amazing work by the guys over at Triton Space Technologies. They should be proud of the work they are doing!
I haven't wanted to see whats behind the blurred areas this bad since middle school.
If you've seen one you've seen them all.
It whats inside of whats inside of the blurred area thats scares me !
It's people like these two that create value in the world. You gotta love entreprenant smart people.
I'm just loving these shop tours John. I especially like the tours of the small(er) shops. Please keep them coming!
Any shot at getting a tour at Boston Dynamics, you're on a roll!
Zero chance I'm getting near that Robot Dog
Only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
Please do it
NYC CNC You won't, but Judd may enjoy it.
THE AUDIO IS AMAZING AND WONDERFUL. This was a really well made tour! And that facility is beautiful.
Nice tour! BTW - I am the guy that talked to you at IMTS about the Samsung lathes that moved our shop from CT to TX... Love watching your channel.
Welcome to the Republic of Texas!
Awesome! I never expected to see rocket propulsion on here, I would love to see John build a small hybrid as a project.
That was some high precision blurring on some of those parts!
These last couple shop tours have been awesome!!
I listened to it and it's all you said, incredible!! Thanks for the shop tours, I really enjoy them.
Love the Ficus tree on the shop floor. First time ever for a plant sighting in a plant.
Look at a McLaren plant tour, they're everywhere. Its inspirational.
As a former Glowforge backer (and very brief owner) it's always interesting/cool to see one being used. It's a shame that they didn't prioritize positional accuracy, despite many pleas on their forum from their customers.
I never got in on a glowforge but im stuck in the wazer kickstarter. Feeling it may have been a big mistake also.
I was very excited about Wazer as well and was also backer (backer #1, in fact :) ) but my Glowforge experience soured me on crowdfunding and I canceled my pledge at the last moment after they wouldn't tell us what their pressure *target* was. If it makes you feel any better, I've regretted canceling several times (I go back and forth), so it's kind-of a catch 22.
MySchizo Buddy
I got a Trotec Speedy 100, a 30-watt-er. It was much more expensive than the Glowforge (even getting it used) but it was immediately available and has been very reliable. For instance, my machine was used (by someone other than me) to cut the majority of a successful Kickstarter. :)
Keep on Tourin'! Every time is sooooo cool! (and encouraging)
Loved seeing some great high tech machines next to things like a harbor freight sandblaster and what looked like a us general toolbox too. Knowing what is worth spending money on and what isn't is a great business scale. Also is it always so clean or was there some cleaning for the tour?
My $ would bet always that clean. I have yet to see a dirty Aerospace shop.
Good pont John, but isn't that a fun prospect‽ the day we see a dirty aerospace shop is the day space travel officially starts being mainstream haha. P.S. kaizen foam has been a huge part in keeping myself organized! thank you for that and everything else
I have used the anodized identification plates from McMaster several times (Black, Blue, Gold, Green, Orange, Red, Yellow available). We didn't have a laser. Instead made a fixture plate and used an engraving tool in the HAAS. Had a few that were bowed and that would affect engraving consistency. They run about $2 each but when you have a production run of 5-10 machines that is inconsequential.
Another great tour. Enjoyed all of them so far, thanks.
Super tour John, thank you sharing. Matt C.
18:51 Seems aligned well in the software.
Listening to two expert talk short hand is like listening to a foreign language you took in high school. You recognize bits and pieces but it takes 10 seconds to process. ;)
Come down to Florida for a launch! Maybe me and Mike (physics anonymous) could get you in for a tour at the space center. Visitor complex has given us some great access on years past!
Rocket porn! Complete with pixelated bit! Everyone talks about the turbo pumps, chamber pressures and temperatures the nozzle has to deal with but the real secret sauce is that injector plate. If you don't get the injector plate right, you don't have a rocket engine.
SSME turbopumps are utterly bananas; the more you learn about them the more interesting they get.
Don't know what you mean about them being bananas? But here's a little SSME trivia, the space shuttle main engine turbo pumps are the highest horsepower per lb machine ever devised.
not surprising since it used the highest energy density liquid fuels. until there is some sort of atomic propulsion, it wont be beat.
yeah and considering they just fed the fuel/oxidizer to the engine.
How are these pumps powered? do they have their own jet engine?
They're fairly similar to a jet engine in that gasses turn a turbine to generate shaft power to turn pumps; the wikipedia article is a pretty good read.
Super COOL! How the heck did they get the machines in there????
Very interesting about that valve. We use 3000psi hydraulic solenoid actuated valves very similar to that one even with JIC fittings but they don't even cost a grand. Even if it is machined from inconel 9k seams a good price to get. I guess the market is good and maybe the liability is high so 7K of the price is insurance.
bcbloc02 probably covers the destructive testing etc
tolerances would be uch much tighter too
Traceability costs. In most aerospace, every component is traceable to a batch of raw material, certified to conform to its published design specifications, and manufactured to applicable standards backed by an audited quality process. Every screw, bolt, washer, seal, blank, casting, rod, wire, connector etc. If a bolt fractures unexpectedly the FAA need to be able to find every plane containing that bolts of the same batch before they start falling from the sky. The bolts would be analyzed to understand why the failure occurred including going back to the foundry that created the alloy if a material quality failure is suspected. (Then they'll find all planes containing other components made from that batch of alloy too.) That paperwork trail gets expensive fast. Getting items or paperwork confused between product batches during manufacturing can result in both batches being destroyed. Material handling processes to prevent that happening cost money, and a prerequisite is buying or leasing enough physical space to bring order and remove chaos. Conformance is based on quality systems that require qualified tools and calibrated test instruments. Using the incorrect tool or an instrument lacking valid calibration and the part cannot be certified. At the least, rework would be needed to re-mediate those issues - an engineer would need to determine whether the tool damaged a component requiring its replacement, or whether the step needs to be redone using the correct tool. The test would need to be redone with a calibrated tool. From the Receiving department to the Shipping department, everything is done deliberately and involves paperwork processing. Every box opened is inspected for valid Certificates of Conformance and serial or batch identification that can be matched to the doodads in the box without a hint of confusion, or it gets returned to vendor. Every box shipped is inspected for inclusion of the same. All of that validation takes paid time. At the back end, all of that paperwork must be securely stored and curated. Now consider that for some aerospace the products being manufactured are sensitive and require employees to be vetted. That drives the labor cost up too. All of those costs get reflected in product pricing.
An AQM-34 drone systems uses a small turbine. Very small compared almost everything that is jet engine driven. As small as it is, when standing next to the test stand during engine run up is incredibly loud. At idle you can sorta can hear someone yelling. When throttled up, the sound just saturates all your senses. It's hard to put in words how loud it is. And that is a SMALL engine. Can't imagine what the shuttle or a rocket engine would be like if you were inside the safety zone.
4:19 woww that is expensive but you are competitive. I like it from 25k$ to 9k$ and just one week. Bravo.
So nice work
Right right right! Yep right right right! Yep right right
Very cool business!
PS. I'd love to see a tour of a company (have know idea who machines these) that machines the turbo pumps that feed rocket engines that he mentioned. Those pumps spin at unbelievably high speeds...like around a 100,000 rpm. I would think those pumps impellers would have to be machined and balanced to incredible tolerances in order to sustain the kind of stresses that they'd be subjected to.
I thought the "SL" designator on the Samsung lathe was more than a co-incidence. My boss has an old Mori SL-2 that the z axis went out on and he won't spend the money to fix it. I'm currently trying to diagnose it in my spare time because I would love to use it. I hear that they'll keep 1/10,000 all day long.
John, you were in New England :-(, no meet and greet to your armchair apprentice fans ...... Don't tell me you stop by Keith too.... Tool shop tour are great ... Thanks for the tours... Much appreciated .
We'll be back in Connecticut in a few weeks - come visit us at www.yamazen.com/2018/04/06/yamazen-inc-announces-the-grand-opening-of-the-northeast-technical-center-in-newington-connecticut/
I'm actually rebuilding a HAAS HRT210 at my shop right now
we need more tour
That Samsung lathe is no joke. It's stupid heavily built for it size and eerily quiet.
So, obviously, they supply parts to Spacely Space Sprockets.
Got a Samsung mill at my last job and the installer crash Z and busted the ball screw lol. the threw spindle coolant line popped off about a month after we had it.
This Samsung machine looks pretty much the same like a Mori Seiki, even the name is the same
mori seiki leased their tech to samsung to further the korean market. so you are right
very Kool video.
man I would love to do this kinda work.
Whatever gas you have is filled at the airgas facility I work at
Visit the Berkeley lab one more time
I'm sure it was just a slip of the tongue but h1150 isn't 45 Rockwell.
Hi Luke, long time!
I don't know. The usual Tormach-Haas line is extended to a Tormach-Haas-Samsung triangle here. I don't know.
Short clamping in that lathe chuck.
very cool
I´m Brazil
1:30 why are you not working anymore for SpaceX? to me is the company where all want to go. they inovate all time dont wait month till fix the problem. Money?, hors work per week?
How long did it take to blur everything out?
12 parsecs
What does inconel cost?
rocket porn!!! awesome stuff, especially the blurred out rocket nozzle. Great conversation... with some visual aids.
17:25 Pintle nozzle engine?
makes me think of Japanese films
H1150 is like 28-35 rockwell... Not 45 lol.
1st!
did he just call that samsung rigid? wuuttt? lol
It really becomes machine porn when you put the mask on that nozzle. Simply can't move my eyes away from that spot.
*i stopped watching porn for this*
Can’t you multitask?
more smoke and mirrors. space isn't real. {,'-》
please don't shoot me I'm joking 😜
bang
The earth is flat !!
Not really
It’s a simulation!!
🤩
id believe we are in a simulation a hell of a lot sooner than id believe the earth is flat.
I feel like this video was a bitch to edit.