ok i understand why everyone is mad abt a woman singing a transgender mans song but like it’s a parody for a reason and it’s not like it’s gonna be on broadway
You people only think they're joking about Tiger King: The Musical (Parody). This is how The Book of Mormon started on South Park. As a JOKE that ended up as a TONY Award-Winning Musical.
Even if they did go through with it (which they won't because Tiger King is just a trend), they could always recast people you know, right? This is a joke workshop, and in real workshops, the cast is usually different. Also, why the hell would Philippa want to actually be in a Tiger King musical outside of this joke workshop? If they did make one for real, she probably would just say "no thanks" because she has other things to do that are probably way more important and interesting.
@@kieranhayag9107 Again, The Book of Mormon was just a joke episode on South Park they made about Mormons and years later it turned into a Tony award-winning Musical. In the 1970s there was this little 50s nostalgia "Trend" that got turned into a musical called Grease. So never underestimate the power of a trend.
@@theylied1776 The main difference is that Mormonism isn't some dad TV show on Netflix. Mormons have been around for a long time, and the subject was rich with endless parody and commentary. Tiger King is a very interesting story, but this trend will dies down very soon. Plus, musicals (like Book of Mormon) aren't created this way. They went through real workshops and extensive tests. The Book of Mormon was a finale to the string of Mormon jokes Trey & Matt made all the way from Cannibal the Musical. If for some reason Tiger King the Musical actually started real development, I'm 100% guaranteed that 1, they would change the songs from the cheap parody ones they've written for this joke workshop, 2, they would get a real cast, 3, Philippa Soo would not at all be in the cast because she's got better things to be doing than a Tiger King musical.
@@theylied1776 As for Grease, 50s nostalgia wasn't a trend, it was an upbringing. Every generation has its nostalgia, hence why Grease was made, but it wasn't a fad like Tiger King. The 50s was a decade full if feelings and ideas, not some 7 episode TV documentary with limited material to work with.
@@kieranhayag9107 50s Nostalgia was definitely a 70s trend. It's the trend that inspired George Lucas to write and make the movie American Graffiti, it was the trend that inspired ABC produced Happy Days, it was a trend that inspired the television show Sha Na Na. And it was the trend that inspired the 1971 stage play of Grease. But thank you for your uninformed opinion.
I know a lot of people are mad about a woman singing this but can we just appreciate and recognize how well Phillipa sings this!? Like she sang it so good!
Criticizing people for perpetuating the idea that trans men are really just cis women is not "hate". If you read the comments, no one is going after Pippa; we're disappointed in the composer, who presumably also chose her to sing the part.
Great song. As for comments: people need to chill about gender. It's about the song. It's a demo, it's not the only time this will be performed, and really it doesn't matter. Not everything has to be a fight. Just enjoy the song or don't.
alex time low I’m pretty sure everyone already knows half of the comment are upset and such. Like they can make another cover of this as well if it’s that upsetting to some people.
This is amazing. And everyone upset over a cis woman singing a trans man song... y’all act like this is a real casting in a million dollar musical. It’s a fucking demo song and video to brighten the current mood. Chill out. It’s not like the lyrics are “right hand girl.”
It kind of says a lot what they think of trans people, though. They made the effort to find an actress close to Carole Baskin, but when it came to the deeper-voiced trans guy, they picked a pretty female soprano and wrote the song for a much higher soprano voice...?
@@p0lyxena Sorry, but to misconstrue this video as being some transphobic microagression is inane. I don't quite understand how someone writing a song, and asking someone else to sing it says anything in the broader context of how either one of these parties views trans people. It's an easy enough mistake too... Unless you were to dive in and research this person beyond just watching the show, you'd have no idea that they identified as trans. Saff even says in interviews, they don't care what they are called: “I don’t care if they’re calling me she; I don’t care if they’re calling me he. On a daily basis, I am called 17 different things. I never really took it to heart. "I love being able to speak on this,” Saffery says. “Obviously it’s not something that I’ve even actively participated in ever, so, for context, my conversation with Rob was that he asked me, ‘What do you prefer? Saff or Kelci?’ And of course I said Saff because that’s what I’ve been called for the past 20 years. I was in the Army prior to the park and they always use last names. So, Saff was my preferred name. And I’ve always gone by him since I could say that out loud. My family was always very supportive-it was never an issue." Choosing to use a big name Broadway actress to grab attention to this song has nothing to do with transphobia in a broader context ... it has to do with marketing. Same with why Chenoweth sang as Carole... She looks and sounds nothing like her. Should we be angry that they didn't cast an overweight white woman and instead a perky small one? It's ridiculous to be so restrictive to actors and singers and say that people can only play someone if they match their own gender identity. It may be IDEAL -- but for something like this, do you really think they had the resources to scour America for a trans-man who can sing comparably to Philipa Soo? Or do you think they're just working through their own circle of colleagues to put out content quickly and cheaply, that might give people something else to think about for two minutes besides death and disease and how fucked up the world already is right now? My guess would be the later. If you're honestly so offended by this three minute video, go off. I'm sure you're a blast to be around.
@@crispypoohs 1. It's not just about misgendering Saff, it's about perpetuating the idea that trans men are just cis women pretending to be men 2. They could have asked literally any *male* actor. And not written the song for the highest, most feminine voice type. That has nothing to do with marketing 3. You want to talk about being offended, but you wrote those long paragraphs being upset that some people have different opinions?
Maëlle You’re honestly going to say that if they’d used a male singer instead of Phillipa Soo, people would not have freaked out just as hard because it’s not a trans actor? That’s nonsense. I don’t agree that this perpetuates any ideas about trans men, as intention absolutely matters, and just because a woman is singing a song does not mean anyone is making some backhanded statement about anyone’s gender expression. So far as the length of my reply, sorry I’m verbose? You can have your opinion - I just think the argument is flawed and purposely seeks offense on behalf of someone else who doesn’t even seem to be as invested in your argument over gender identity issues as the people bitching about this are.
Okay I'm just gonna put this crazy idea out there...what if the people working on these songs did not know Saff indentified as male? Like, and hear me out, what if they spent more time trying to capture Saff's emotions about tigers? You know because not everyone has watched the reunion episode...
Also this quote from Saff about people getting upset that he was misgendered: "I don't think it bothered me as much as it bothered everyone else, I really didn't pay it any mind." How 'bout we just enjoy the song, m'kay? (Edit: kind not mind)
This was literally all I could think... I had no idea Saff was trans until I started reading these comments. I imagine most people just watched the show and didn't question it -- and that's totally understandable. Turning this silly song about being devoted to someone else, full of puns about being mauled and attacked by a tiger, into some transphobic ballyhoo is insane.
Okay she sang it because she probably wanted to? Trans men are just men. Am I not allowed to sing men songs because I’m a woman? By insisting that a trans man sings it, we are just finding new, different ways to discriminate. Anyone can sing whatever they want, gender, sex, and skin color don’t matter at all.
Adding my two cents because people are missing the point. Sure plenty of musical have 'genderbending' actors/actresses and it's fine, especially intended as a parody but parodies are a joke, equating trans people as a joke is not right. A lot of people are commenting that Saff is fine and not that bothered about being misgendered, lots of people shrug stuff off that upsets so them so they don't cause fights etc but this conversation is larger than Tiger King, Saff or this parody musical. Having a female sing Saff's song is insensitive, I think it's highly likely that the people behind this didn't even know that Saff is trans or if they did, then that is massive problem and somebody should take responsibility and apologise. It's 2020, it's not appropriate to cast cis people to play trans roles. That's what this conversation is about. I think it's a bigger faux pas because it is a parody. Trans people are not parodies of cis people and that's the message this sends.
I understand what you’re saying if it was taken out of context of what this actually was and is portraying. No where in this are trans people considered a joke go cis gendered people. And taking this out of context of the fact that it is a musical parody of a show and that the person it involves is not upset or concerned by it, is making a problem out of seemingly nothing.
Heeyy, everyone, friendly reminder that parodies don't have to have everyone as the correct gender. Think about draco malfoy in AVPM or Michael Scott in the office musical parody.
Melana Homer the video is just incredibly insensitive. I think phillipa soo is one of the most talented singers on broadway, but this video was in very poor taste. it could do serious damage and we have to acknowledge that.
Even just ignoring the part that they chose a cisgender woman to play a trans man... why did you guys get one of the daintiest, prettiest sopranos in musical theatre to play *Saff* of all people?
Saff has identified as male his entire life. Shouldn't the person who sings his song reflect his gender identity? What message does this send following a documentary that consistently misgendered him?
Ben Plattypus literally wut? No one is talking about gender bending in that way. That’s not what the OP is saying. If you wanna play Evan Hansen, go off, and I’m sure the OP would agree. I’d pay big money to see a woman or a nb individual play that part. That’s fictional. When we’re talking about the fictional cannon of MT it’s perfectly understandable and appropriate to play with the dynamics of those genders at times. The issue is this is not just cannon, it’s a story about an actual real life person who was just misgendered for an entire series, and this song attempts to speak from his view point. Saff is a real person belonging to a disenfranchised, far underrepresented community and deserves to be represented by someone who can understand that specific experience. Phillipa is a star and I love her all the same as you. But that doesn’t make her above criticism, and doesn’t change the fact that this is kinda tone deaf and she participated. And the fact that I love her means it’s all the reason to call in and try and educate or at least put out the view point. Women can play male roles and vice versa as much as they want. But when there is a harmful cultural narrative around people thinking transgender individuals are really just their biological sex just “playing dress up” we need to be cognizant of how having an individual who prefers and goes by “he” being played by a cisgender woman reinforces that societal message. It might seem small but poor trans portrayal in the media are the reason there are trans hate crimes. And this unfortunately plays into the same tropes.
Nope we’re not gonna tolerate ignoring someone’s gender identity while casting them even if it’s for a parody musical online. We should never tolterate it.
@@kenniboo If you have problems with Saff being played by a woman, then surely you should also have problems with Saff being played by a man. In this context of arguing, Saff should only be played by a trans man.
the definition of perfection in the dictionary is Phillipa Soo
Yesss
Around 2:16 to the end Pippa is holding back her tears. This song makes me want to cry too, or maybe it's just how beautifuly she sung it.
OH MY GOD SHE’S SO CUTE I CAN’T
Phillipa is so talented and so damn cute.
Yea she is
ok i understand why everyone is mad abt a woman singing a transgender mans song but like it’s a parody for a reason and it’s not like it’s gonna be on broadway
just because it’s a parody doesn’t make it okay
How fucking hard is it to get a man to sing this though
People are taking this way too far...
alex time low He is fine with it sheesh
Kaleb Gates and that’s great but it’s about equal representation in theatre
She’s a glorious wonderful cinnamon roll goddess too precious for this world. 💜
She's so talented
Oh my, she’s so talented. I’ve been a fan of pip for years! She never fails to amaze me 🤍
This song, while funny and cleverly written shows exactly what Saff is about... heart.
This is magnificent!!! Thank you for taking the time and investing the talent in “my heart” I LOVE it!
And this right here is the only comment that truly matters 😊✌
I love her ❤️
You people only think they're joking about Tiger King: The Musical (Parody). This is how The Book of Mormon started on South Park. As a JOKE that ended up as a TONY Award-Winning Musical.
Even if they did go through with it (which they won't because Tiger King is just a trend), they could always recast people you know, right? This is a joke workshop, and in real workshops, the cast is usually different. Also, why the hell would Philippa want to actually be in a Tiger King musical outside of this joke workshop? If they did make one for real, she probably would just say "no thanks" because she has other things to do that are probably way more important and interesting.
@@kieranhayag9107 Again, The Book of Mormon was just a joke episode on South Park they made about Mormons and years later it turned into a Tony award-winning Musical. In the 1970s there was this little 50s nostalgia "Trend" that got turned into a musical called Grease. So never underestimate the power of a trend.
@@theylied1776 The main difference is that Mormonism isn't some dad TV show on Netflix. Mormons have been around for a long time, and the subject was rich with endless parody and commentary. Tiger King is a very interesting story, but this trend will dies down very soon. Plus, musicals (like Book of Mormon) aren't created this way. They went through real workshops and extensive tests. The Book of Mormon was a finale to the string of Mormon jokes Trey & Matt made all the way from Cannibal the Musical. If for some reason Tiger King the Musical actually started real development, I'm 100% guaranteed that 1, they would change the songs from the cheap parody ones they've written for this joke workshop, 2, they would get a real cast, 3, Philippa Soo would not at all be in the cast because she's got better things to be doing than a Tiger King musical.
@@theylied1776 As for Grease, 50s nostalgia wasn't a trend, it was an upbringing. Every generation has its nostalgia, hence why Grease was made, but it wasn't a fad like Tiger King. The 50s was a decade full if feelings and ideas, not some 7 episode TV documentary with limited material to work with.
@@kieranhayag9107 50s Nostalgia was definitely a 70s trend. It's the trend that inspired George Lucas to write and make the movie American Graffiti, it was the trend that inspired ABC produced Happy Days, it was a trend that inspired the television show Sha Na Na. And it was the trend that inspired the 1971 stage play of Grease. But thank you for your uninformed opinion.
Right hand man-
She’s so precious and talented ⭐️
I know a lot of people are mad about a woman singing this but can we just appreciate and recognize how well Phillipa sings this!? Like she sang it so good!
YESS
She's so good!!!
I love u Pippa ur voice is the gift of God.
Correct: You ARE a goddess.
I have a question:
How do you do it?
Choco Pops Magic. She’s a gorgeous pure cinnamon roll goddess. 💜
Two words, Juilliard School.
passion is everything
Wonderful, such a talented women
Phillpa soo if u read this I’m a huge fan 💛🖤💛 and ur voice is AMAZING 😻
Pippa is the definition of angel, perfect, and adorable!!! She inspires me so much and she is just amazing!!!!
can’t say how many times i’ve already watched this video.... she’s so beautiful and pure🥺💓
2:03 OMG. I COULD NEVER. THAT RUNNNN
My Eliza is back!!!! Yay
Pippa is so amazing🥰🥰🥰
This is Skyelin I love Phillipa Soo she sing so beautifully🤩
ABSOLUTE QUEEN SLAYY🔥🔥🔥❤
I absolutely love your voice!
2:34 why do I love this so much
LOLLLLL I love it too
her voice is actually so angelic and she’s so gorgeous omg
Angelic...a... sorry. Your so right though. I could listen to her all day.
Stop hating on her. She's amazing and really talented.
Criticizing people for perpetuating the idea that trans men are really just cis women is not "hate". If you read the comments, no one is going after Pippa; we're disappointed in the composer, who presumably also chose her to sing the part.
she’s a grown woman she doesn’t need you to defend her for doing something shitty
alex time low this isn’t shitty. Your condemnation is...
@@p0lyxena never presume
she’s so precious 🥺
I LOVE THIS PERIODT
She’s so good 💓
Im literally crying right now
Keep it coming
❤️❤️❤️ perfection
YOU’RE DOING GREAT SWEETIE, I LOVE YOU PIPPA 💕💕💕
Oh god there’s more
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OMG WHAT IS THE PROBLEM SHE IS JUST SINGING THIS SHE WOULDN'T PLAY THE ACTUAL DAMN PART CAN WE JUST APPRECIATE HOW SHE SINGS IT GREAT????
Great song.
As for comments: people need to chill about gender. It's about the song. It's a demo, it's not the only time this will be performed, and really it doesn't matter. Not everything has to be a fight. Just enjoy the song or don't.
Why is she so adorable in this??
her face at 0:06 is so cute!!
Her voice reminds me of Lea Solanga
Can we all just appreciate this instead of getting upset 🥺🥺
anintrovertedpotato yay facts
we’re bringing attention the fact that they’re misgendering someone we’re right to be upset
alex time low I’m pretty sure everyone already knows half of the comment are upset and such. Like they can make another cover of this as well if it’s that upsetting to some people.
Sn00ks nobody who worked on this video has apologized though so we need to show that it’s not okay to do stuff like this
💕
This is amazing.
And everyone upset over a cis woman singing a trans man song... y’all act like this is a real casting in a million dollar musical. It’s a fucking demo song and video to brighten the current mood. Chill out. It’s not like the lyrics are “right hand girl.”
it’s still insensitive even if it’s only a demo. It’s still on the internet
It kind of says a lot what they think of trans people, though. They made the effort to find an actress close to Carole Baskin, but when it came to the deeper-voiced trans guy, they picked a pretty female soprano and wrote the song for a much higher soprano voice...?
@@p0lyxena Sorry, but to misconstrue this video as being some transphobic microagression is inane. I don't quite understand how someone writing a song, and asking someone else to sing it says anything in the broader context of how either one of these parties views trans people. It's an easy enough mistake too... Unless you were to dive in and research this person beyond just watching the show, you'd have no idea that they identified as trans. Saff even says in interviews, they don't care what they are called: “I don’t care if they’re calling me she; I don’t care if they’re calling me he. On a daily basis, I am called 17 different things. I never really took it to heart.
"I love being able to speak on this,” Saffery says. “Obviously it’s not something that I’ve even actively participated in ever, so, for context, my conversation with Rob was that he asked me, ‘What do you prefer? Saff or Kelci?’ And of course I said Saff because that’s what I’ve been called for the past 20 years. I was in the Army prior to the park and they always use last names. So, Saff was my preferred name. And I’ve always gone by him since I could say that out loud. My family was always very supportive-it was never an issue."
Choosing to use a big name Broadway actress to grab attention to this song has nothing to do with transphobia in a broader context ... it has to do with marketing. Same with why Chenoweth sang as Carole... She looks and sounds nothing like her. Should we be angry that they didn't cast an overweight white woman and instead a perky small one? It's ridiculous to be so restrictive to actors and singers and say that people can only play someone if they match their own gender identity. It may be IDEAL -- but for something like this, do you really think they had the resources to scour America for a trans-man who can sing comparably to Philipa Soo? Or do you think they're just working through their own circle of colleagues to put out content quickly and cheaply, that might give people something else to think about for two minutes besides death and disease and how fucked up the world already is right now? My guess would be the later.
If you're honestly so offended by this three minute video, go off. I'm sure you're a blast to be around.
@@crispypoohs 1. It's not just about misgendering Saff, it's about perpetuating the idea that trans men are just cis women pretending to be men
2. They could have asked literally any *male* actor. And not written the song for the highest, most feminine voice type. That has nothing to do with marketing
3. You want to talk about being offended, but you wrote those long paragraphs being upset that some people have different opinions?
Maëlle You’re honestly going to say that if they’d used a male singer instead of Phillipa Soo, people would not have freaked out just as hard because it’s not a trans actor? That’s nonsense. I don’t agree that this perpetuates any ideas about trans men, as intention absolutely matters, and just because a woman is singing a song does not mean anyone is making some backhanded statement about anyone’s gender expression. So far as the length of my reply, sorry I’m verbose? You can have your opinion - I just think the argument is flawed and purposely seeks offense on behalf of someone else who doesn’t even seem to be as invested in your argument over gender identity issues as the people bitching about this are.
Okay I'm just gonna put this crazy idea out there...what if the people working on these songs did not know Saff indentified as male? Like, and hear me out, what if they spent more time trying to capture Saff's emotions about tigers? You know because not everyone has watched the reunion episode...
Also this quote from Saff about people getting upset that he was misgendered: "I don't think it bothered me as much as it bothered everyone else, I really didn't pay it any mind."
How 'bout we just enjoy the song, m'kay?
(Edit: kind not mind)
This was literally all I could think... I had no idea Saff was trans until I started reading these comments. I imagine most people just watched the show and didn't question it -- and that's totally understandable. Turning this silly song about being devoted to someone else, full of puns about being mauled and attacked by a tiger, into some transphobic ballyhoo is insane.
Crispy Walker in my opinion the puns poking fun at Saff being mauled by a tiger are... also a bit tone deaf...
Ross Quinn You sound real fun.
In the video where they talked about this song, Pippa used he/him pronouns for Saff the whole time and in the lyrics it includes "right hand guy"
2:10
🥺🥺🥺🥺
omg yesss pippa shes so cute
These comments are scary and I want no part of it
Btw just enjoy the music
Saff said he didn’t care about being misgendered as much as everyone else did everyone calm down
brooke perry exactly
Exactly people just want something to argue about sometimes
How about we appreciate the cinnamon roll that is Pippa and enjoy the song? Thanks
Okay she sang it because she probably wanted to? Trans men are just men. Am I not allowed to sing men songs because I’m a woman? By insisting that a trans man sings it, we are just finding new, different ways to discriminate. Anyone can sing whatever they want, gender, sex, and skin color don’t matter at all.
PREACH
Hii, can anyone help me figure out the chords of this song.. thank you big help huhuhu
Adding my two cents because people are missing the point. Sure plenty of musical have 'genderbending' actors/actresses and it's fine, especially intended as a parody but parodies are a joke, equating trans people as a joke is not right. A lot of people are commenting that Saff is fine and not that bothered about being misgendered, lots of people shrug stuff off that upsets so them so they don't cause fights etc but this conversation is larger than Tiger King, Saff or this parody musical. Having a female sing Saff's song is insensitive, I think it's highly likely that the people behind this didn't even know that Saff is trans or if they did, then that is massive problem and somebody should take responsibility and apologise. It's 2020, it's not appropriate to cast cis people to play trans roles. That's what this conversation is about. I think it's a bigger faux pas because it is a parody. Trans people are not parodies of cis people and that's the message this sends.
I understand what you’re saying if it was taken out of context of what this actually was and is portraying. No where in this are trans people considered a joke go cis gendered people. And taking this out of context of the fact that it is a musical parody of a show and that the person it involves is not upset or concerned by it, is making a problem out of seemingly nothing.
@@jordanturnage4312 Agreed
Like Lin said, We must protect this Cinnamon roll
Heeyy, everyone, friendly reminder that parodies don't have to have everyone as the correct gender. Think about draco malfoy in AVPM or Michael Scott in the office musical parody.
ZipZapZop neither one of those characters are trans tho.
Some of you complain too much.
Melana Homer the video is just incredibly insensitive. I think phillipa soo is one of the most talented singers on broadway, but this video was in very poor taste. it could do serious damage and we have to acknowledge that.
Period
Even just ignoring the part that they chose a cisgender woman to play a trans man... why did you guys get one of the daintiest, prettiest sopranos in musical theatre to play *Saff* of all people?
Saff has identified as male his entire life. Shouldn't the person who sings his song reflect his gender identity? What message does this send following a documentary that consistently misgendered him?
if you have a problem with them misgendering him then you shouldnt have a problem with a girl playing him. are for the LGBTQ or not?
It’s literally a video like u don’t have to watch it
@Ben Plattypus : "I am feel uncomfortable when we are not about me?"
Ben Plattypus literally wut? No one is talking about gender bending in that way. That’s not what the OP is saying. If you wanna play Evan Hansen, go off, and I’m sure the OP would agree. I’d pay big money to see a woman or a nb individual play that part. That’s fictional. When we’re talking about the fictional cannon of MT it’s perfectly understandable and appropriate to play with the dynamics of those genders at times. The issue is this is not just cannon, it’s a story about an actual real life person who was just misgendered for an entire series, and this song attempts to speak from his view point. Saff is a real person belonging to a disenfranchised, far underrepresented community and deserves to be represented by someone who can understand that specific experience. Phillipa is a star and I love her all the same as you. But that doesn’t make her above criticism, and doesn’t change the fact that this is kinda tone deaf and she participated. And the fact that I love her means it’s all the reason to call in and try and educate or at least put out the view point. Women can play male roles and vice versa as much as they want. But when there is a harmful cultural narrative around people thinking transgender individuals are really just their biological sex just “playing dress up” we need to be cognizant of how having an individual who prefers and goes by “he” being played by a cisgender woman reinforces that societal message. It might seem small but poor trans portrayal in the media are the reason there are trans hate crimes. And this unfortunately plays into the same tropes.
Nope we’re not gonna tolerate ignoring someone’s gender identity while casting them even if it’s for a parody musical online. We should never tolterate it.
Y'all are so rude for this! Lmao!
not really, it doesnt matter what gender sings a song.
Yeahhhh how about we don’t have a woman doing this when there’s already tons of controversy around people misgendering Saff in the actual show.
Yeah but it's Pippa Soo so there's probably gonna be an exception. 🤣 jk. But your totally right. Saff really should be played by a male
if you have a problem with them misgendering him then you shouldnt have a problem with a girl playing him. are for the LGBTQ or not?
@@emroman1108 Honey, you need to stop copy-pasting this message on every single critical comment you find. We have no idea what you're saying.
@Emily's Way ah yes, because everyone knows the G in LGBT stands for “girls”
@@kenniboo If you have problems with Saff being played by a woman, then surely you should also have problems with Saff being played by a man. In this context of arguing, Saff should only be played by a trans man.