America is very beautiful and very ugly at the same time. We are just like every other country. I live in TX and our State Representatives let people freeze to death. All because we won't connect to either part of the national grid. 😮💨
This place is pretty awful. The most cruel form of capitalism. Great country geographically. That's about it. Healthcare is dogshit, pay is low, and everything revolves around cars. I haven't owned one in 3 years and it's been a nightmare.
I remember one time back in the mid 1990s watching an American show (don't remember which one right now) and hearing one of the characters complain about not being able to afford a visit to a doctor. My then 10-year old self here in Western Europe was puzzled for entire weeks at the idea of being charged for basic healthcare. I literally had no idea that such a thing was real in my lifetime, that same character could've said that in America pigs do fly, for all purposes. The concept of a rich country not providing basic universal medical coverage to its citizens is just bonkers.
The booster who blamed McNair for his own death is Rick Jaklitsch, who is a local personal injury attorney who puts a lot of money into the program and is very well connected. Now, later during the post McNair season, he tries to get on the plane with the team to go on a road trip, and the players find this out and have him removed from the plane. Cheered like hell for those kids all season.
College football boosters are the lowest form of life. Just absolute scum. If you gave me the choice of hanging out at a booster party or a homeless encampment, I would go to the booster party, steal all the top shelf booze, and bring it to a homeless encampment.
my favorite thing about a coach blaming an athlete's death on steroids use is -- hey quick Q coach: how'd'ya know? did you know before they died? bc if u knew before they died, but apparently know that those substances can be fatal to a young athlete, then you just admitted to culpability in their death, and if you WERE MAKING THEM TAKE THEM, then you murdered the kid but bc its america, the thought process stops at "they used", oops guess its the kids own fault he died after an adult all but held him down & put the needle in him himself
As someone who played tackle football from the age of 7 to the age of 17, as a lineman, I feel like I have the same level of anxiety around CTE as alice has about pryons
Also, I think it's important to note that a lot of high schools don't have any athletic trainers. I played for two schools, neither of which had athletic trainers at any practices. The larger of the two schools, a very well funded program that had made something like 8 state championship games in a row only had athletic trainers around on game days
I'm terrified about CTE. I was a lineman as well and played from elementary to high school. Our coaches praised us for cracking helmets firing off the ball. It was legitimately since as weak and giving up if you said your head hurt. It was always "I'm good, just got my bell rung". No joke I probably had a dozen concussions in a decade of playing. The only time I was tested or treated was when I was almost KO'd by a cheap-shot in a game. It got really bad and I would forget everything. By my senior year, we would break the huddle and by the time I was at the line I couldn't remember anything. I would even feel frozen stuck. I would get mind bending headaches and still do even though it's been a decade. I feel like such an idiot for how reckless I was. My mental health taken a nose dive over last few year. Constant outbursts of anger, extreme mood swings, crying spells, etc. I'm scared what I may have done to my head just in the name of "fun". I also have intention tremors, so that's fun. I hope this came out legible. I have trouble with putting thoughts and words together.
I once had to threaten to throat punch a first-aid volunteer who told me I would kill my patient by rapid cooling, as she’s starting to try to seize on me- I was like ‘I’m a critical care nurse get the hell away from my patient!!’
Worked with an NCO in the Army who was a lineman for a major SEC school and enlisted after not making the NFL. He'd tell me about all of these horrible torture work outs they'd make him do and how much worse it was than anything he did in the military. Anyway when I had to plan Officer PT I just used his workouts from college in the hopes of injuring my boss
This podcast has helped me realize that I probably didn't have heat stroke in Freshman marching band drills, but I did have heat exhaustion. I never did anything this extreme, but I will never forget gasping for air while I saw my body stop sweating and my sunscreen seeming to just float on top of my skin. The pain in Liam's voice is so piercing, and completely justified.
@@philipb.3758 Band kids can even get injuries from holding their instruments the wrong way. It's relatively common to see young clarinet players with their their thumb on the wrong side of the thumbrest and that playing like that will legit give you carpal tunnel. And that's just one example!
@@DavidChiappini On top of it, yes. I think the problem is that a lot of them were taught to hold the thumbrest between their thumb and forefinger while they were learning their first notes. Sometimes, when they start using their right hand, they don't realize that their thumb position has to change.
On a similar note, that there’s a lawsuit going on rn because a UO coach denied players water during heavy training, and it destroyed three players’ kidneys and potential NFL careers.. It’s wild to me that this happened so recently, college athletes need to be paid for their work, training, and all the shit they’re put through !
Listening to Liam at some points in this video really breaks my heart with the emotion that comes through. Liam, please have virtual hugs. Hell, everybody gets virtual hugs!
Liam on the verge of tears because he's so mad is so real. Covering these topics regularly takes a lot out of you, and makes you so vitriolic to the adults who neglect to care for youths in their charge.
This was rough to listen to. Liam is commonly able to show disgust and contempt with awful people and situations where it's largely deserved. He can usually deliver this with some form of gallows humor to take the sting off a little bit. There's a lot of heartfelt emotion in this one and it's just harder to not get emotionally involved listening to it as well.
@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat He lived on the other side of the country from me, and I think I only met him once. It wasn't an emotional loss for me personally any more than it is when I hear about the number of complete strangers dying this way. But yeah. The men (and it's always fucking men) who do this to children should hang. Quite a few people only want to keep the death penalty for child molesters (understanding the issues with the carceral state more likely to catch/convict marginalized people, the fact that fascists are now conflating pedophilia and every kind of queerness, etc), but football coaches literally kill kids all the time and there's no moral panic about them. Where's the angry mob out for blood over my cousin's death? Where's the absurd laws making high school football effectively impossible without ever spelling it out on paper? Where's the inquisition of state law enforcement questioning elementary school children when their teacher shows a clip from a football movie? Why do all of those suggestions sound insane to the very people doing that to queer kids all over the country?
Teddy Roosevelt was an inhuman gigachad who had a bad habit of giving speeches while suffering from untreated gunshot wounds, so it's probably a bad idea to participate in a game that he thought was "manly."
the biggest thing that explains Teddy is that he spent his entire youth as a weedy little asthmatic whose sole interaction with the outside world was reading pulp novels. then, amazingly, despite a medical treatment program of "we'll drag the runt across the country and see if that fixes something," it cleared up in his teenage years. resulting in his teenage years being spent running around believing comic books were real and he was the protagonist
He also did a lot of heinous shit. His idea of American "manliness" included eating lots of beef and playing extremely dangerous sports, so I wouldn't call him a "gigachad".
if ever a man was a gigachad, it's teddy roosevelt. the guy's formative experiences were a bunch of pulp caricatures of masculinity, and he was rich enough that the first time he experienced a consequence for ANYTHING he did was the time he and his radical republican pals nominated a black guy for president and got told by his family "you are taking a long vacation somewhere very far away, effective immediately." the man was one of the earliest cases of being Too Online, insulated enough from reality by wealth and sickness to do a host of things anyone remotely sane would not have done. as his daughter put it, "daddy wants to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral." part of which being insanely war-hungry even by White Guy in The Late 1800s standards.
I was a 2nd string lineman back in highschool, and there was a time when I got put in for a last second kickoff (like 10 sec left in 4th quarter), and an opposing guy blocked me by slamming his helmet into the side of mine. I only know this b/c of the game footage; I blacked out and woke up on the ground. A referee yelled at me for being dramatic while I was getting up, as everybody was leaving the field. It was a joke while reviewing footage the next day, "Aaand here's where Watchmaker died lol". Everbody chuckled, including me. But thinking back, nobody checked to see if I was ok. No concussion checks on the > 6' ~250lbs guy who suddenly flopped onto the ground limp and staryed there for 10 seconds after getting hit. It's the only time I've ever been knocked out, and it could have been worse, but to the local football culture it was a joke. TLDR: Society has passed beyond the need for football
That's really awful, I'm sorry that happened to you. Anywhere else you would've (and should've!) been taken to urgent care. The attitude towards student athletes is disgusting.
@@st.orville2285 I mean... As someone who's been through modern "concussion care" there's nothing the best medicine in the world can do for a concussion, nevermind an urgent care. The only thing you can do is to not make it worse by getting hit again, or just avoid the concussion in the first place
When I was chasing a cheerleader in high school, a football player vomiting was viewed by the coach and team as an accomplishment. I saw it a few times. They kept a trashcan behind the goalpost for summer practice. It meant they were dedicated.
I played football in high school (00s), we had to do morning and afternoon practices. Morning vomit was from the hangover, afternoon vomit was from the heat. But it was always a point of pride for the person puking
I've heard about schools with rowing teams that didn't give a shit about the students as long as they brought home the trophy, but none to the point where they actually were breaking kids physically
So it's kind of assumed that you can quit at any time? It is a relentless pursuit of competitiveness, that much is true. The kids that keep up doing it: the ones that will play through puke and nausea, will be the better team, when game time comes. Not saying that physical trauma and permanent injury are required, absolutely not, that just makes you worse. But non-permanent suffering like sweat, tears and vomit ARE what make a strong team. That much is fact. The problem is when coaches are unconcerned, inept, or maliciously sadistic. That is 100% unacceptable. A coach's job is to push the athlete to achieve what they could not on their own. That is the definition. A good coach is acutely aware of their athlete's capabilities and limitations. They will push them up as close as possible to those limitations, but never beyond. It should be always assumed, as well, that the power dynamic should be in the athlete's favor. As soon as the athlete says "Enough, no more," then it is enough.
It really can’t be overstated how institutionally insane S&C coaches are. They basically facilitate athletic teenagers into the ridiculous physical archetypes they turn into when they leave (disregarding how actually healthy their body is) purely thru them being the most aggressive people in a facility full of 100, young and exploited young men who hit each other for a living. The closest comparison is a military drill sergeant but a drill sergeant can’t go as far as S&Cs go cuz a military would see that they’re just gonna kill the enlisted.
Highly motivated to be that way too, because a head s&c job is extremely rare, and extremely coveted after a decade + of politicking and moving around with the head coach you've attached yourself to every couple of years. You work 60-100 hours a week and nothing below it pays a living wage.
My heart sank when you said he was prescribed Vyvanse. I cannot stress enough how much it makes you vulnerable to the heat no matter how much water you drink.
For real, I felt my blood run cold for a second there knowing just how much worse this was gonna get. I never had good heat tolerance to begin with, but even on a very low dose of vyvanse, I now get violently ill after prolonged exposure to temps above 80. Mid 70’s if im in direct sunlight make me get rashes and faint. This poor kid never had a fucking chance because of these murderously negligent bastards
@@haphazardlark1502 I know right? The day before this aired I got sick volunteering at an outdoor charity event in 30 degrees; the organisers knew I’m prescribed Vyvanse so they took all precautions; hat, suncream, water, gave me a role that involved sitting under a shady gazebo….despite all that they became worried about my slurred speech at the three hour mark and sent me home despite my protests. I was gutted and felt I’d let the charity down, but then I listened to this podcast and realised how lucky I was to be working with people who look out for their team.
Two things: The McNair Settlement is/was limited by statute being as Maryland is a public university. Also, there's a story that was missed (due to time I presume) that Durkin was cleared of any major wrongdoing by the Board Of Trustees of the University prior to the Michigan State game later that season. The students at the University, the media, and the players themselves (a significant number vowed not to play for him) raised enough hell that the Governor (who I believe appoints like a third of the Board) had to get on the phone and tell them to get the guy outta here
I went to school growing up in Florida, and they used to work us outside during PE in some of the hottest, shittiest weather imaginable-- And no, we weren't allowed to have water breaks or get off the field. Just imagine like eight to ten 11 year old kids vomiting and crying and being shouted at for doing so, and that was the experience. Those teachers should be fucking arrested, but as kids, we just thought it was normal to get so hot that we stopped sweating. In retrospect, it's amazing none of us died.
For the record, DJ Durkin left his job at Ole Miss a year or two ago for a better-paying job at Texas A&M, which, among other things, is where Bear Bryant *tried* to kill a bunch of kids in the heat as famously documented in "The Junction Boys" (he did not succeed).
Thanks for covering this! If anyone is out in the heat, even if people tell you it "isn't hot," if you start to feel short of breath, dizzy, nauseated, or overwhelmed by the heat, take it very seriously and get out of the heat as soon as you can, preferably to an air conditioned location. Don't fuck around with heat illness because your brain will play tricks on your making you think you'll be fine and other people might try to reenforce this notion. Tell them to fuck off and remind yourself that heat illness is deadly seriously. Believe me that the sicker you get from it, the more delusional you become about maybe being able to just do this much more in the heat or just get to there. Don't believe your own delusion. The only place you should be going is to the air conditioning and let the entire world call you a wimp because you'll at least be alive. Fuck their opinions!
The fact that Alice has read Football 17776 makes me extremely happy edit: the apparent intersection between WTYP fans and Jon Bois fans also makes me extremely happy
I know you guys joke about it not being a ton of work, but thanks for putting the time and effort in to make these, I listen to them while working and it makes the day bearable.
Jesus, that was heavy. You can do an episode with 5000 deaths, and it doesn't hit as hard. When Liam's loading that hypothetical sun-cannon, I'll help pack the payload.
A single dead is a tragedy while thousands dying is a statistic. The real terrible stuff is just too much to really understand deep down while you can very much see yourself in such a smale scale situation.
Timestamps: 0:00:00 Coffee Update 0:01:16 Intro 0:02:43 The GD News: Sincerely Held Matthew 7:1-2 0:08:52 Background: Football Safety and the Helmet Arms Race 0:20:46 Background: Heat-related Illness 0:27:27 Background: Coaching in The NCAA 0:31:33 Background: Athletic Trainers 0:37:21 Background: U of M Bad 0:41:30 Our Characters 0:43:28 The Incident 1:00:40 Immediate Aftermath 1:06:28 Long-Term Aftermath and Takeaways
But cous ....... How sure are you, she isn't just a spy for the neo-libs. You know, like some kinda MILF honeypot type deal. Slowly injecting herself into our movement, like one of those wasps that lays its eggs in your ear ...... Just sayin brah :P
This is the only episode I've listened to that made me cry. I was an athletic trainer and high school and we had ice baths and pools every practice for situations like this. This was so preventable and it pisses me off so much.
Liam, hearing you choke up really gets through just how horrible this shit is. We can all make jokes to make light of things at times when it helps, but sometimes it is no place for joking. Your anger and sorrow is so justified and I wish things were better but we have to push hard until they are
Liam can be terrifying when he lets his anger loose. What we learned in this podcast is that it is infinitely more ominous when he restrains his rage and makes an effort to remind calm and collected, I for one am grateful that he has never seemed to direct his rage at an undeserving target, and will state in solidarity that these people have names, jobs and addresses. They exist, and their behaviours can be ....Emphatically commented upon.... And it is long past time that these horrific systemic abuses be called out for what they are, that the perpetrators and the beneficiaries of this horror be named and shamed, and that they face consequences BOTH legal and social for their actions. I was already familiar with the basics of the NCAA crime syndicate, but this podcast still managed to shock me to my core. I only wish I could believe it was even slightly dramatized or exaggerated, but I am certain that if anything, some details still had to be left out, and it was in fact even worse. RIP Jordan McNair, you deserved better.
Durkin is no longer at Ole Miss because my alma mater, Texas A&M, saw fit to hire him as the defensive coordinator for its football team. Watching him coach my team feels like living in a house with that Victorian arsenic wallpaper. Bonus: we went 5-7 last season (Durkin’s first at TAMU) and missed a bowl for the first time in over a decade. We’ve sold our program’s soul for nothing. Thanks, Jimbo!
In Texas, if I'm remembering correctly, they even push the JrHigh kids that hard. Had a football player friend that had like 3 concussions and idk how many heat events before he even got outta high school. He's dead now, aneurysm at the gym couple decades later. Take care of yourselves, and don't over do it.
One time I was vomiting from heat exhaustion or stroke after being in my parents trailer without AC. I told my Dad I had heat stroke. He yelled “If you had heat stroke, we’d already be at the hospital!” To this day I don’t know what he thought that meant. So he and my Mom sent me home in an uber when I was barely able to stay conscious. Not the first time they risked killing me out of apathy. The first time was when I fell out of a tree and was in a 3 hour coma. Didn’t even call a doctor. They’ve been rich my whole life.
@@BlackBirdSweep I started having hormonal problems around that age that made me heat sensitive and I had no idea about it before then. I ended up loving the medical side even more than the fire fighting side so I went that way and discovered that one does not simply become a doctor if one goes to the cheapest school in one's state. Other than that, I would have gotten in.
i think adults are going to realize that Kids Doing Stuff Outside have been subjected to terrible temperatures like this regularly now that they get to feel them too
underrated part of the podcast is how darn big liam's heart is. we're all so used to the rants as a form of showing that he cares (because you SHOULD BE MAD) but the moments where he chokes up are like a reminder of that empathy. it's hard to be a person who cares and i appreciate that he keeps doin it and puttin it out there.
This episode is very relevant to me. I'm an Old, and I drive flatbed semi-truck long-haul to make money in this Capitalist hellscape (n.b. I would LOVE to see an episode on trucking infrastructure and labor practices). What this means is that sometimes I spend my days driving across Nebraska on a beautiful day, and sometimes I have to chain down and tarp up steel in Laredo when it's 118° F, or lumber in Georgia when the wet-bulb is off the charts (or do the same in North Dakota in subzero weather). I've DEFINITELY suffered heat injuries, because the heat has made a fool of me. I fortunately have had it happen and survived, and now I recognize the signs. But other guys don't; last week, I told the driver of another truck that id he didn't take a break right then and there, I was gonna call the safety office AND the State Patrol on him. Capitalism sucks.
I don't have anything to add to this topic, but I think more people should be aware that there's an institution called the University of Maryland University College.
I like that it has college. Makes it feel like it was originally "university of Marland university university" and the person giving feedback only managed to get one removed
I really appreciate this episode. Hearing Liam tear up and Drew reading the list of abuses was really hard, but this feels important and meaningful and really, really well done. Love you all. Stay strong.
Damn i was surprised id never heard of this esp given how recent it was. Heat stress is absolutely no joke, its criminal how many places pride themselves in forcing people (but esp kids) to just work until they drop.
Liam, thank you for your contributions to this episode. This was one of the hardest episodes of wtyp for me to get through, and I started crying shortly after you spoke about how parents trust that their kids are going to be taken care of at university around 38min in. You brought an emotional depth to this episode that really affected me. I'm glad I'm alone at work today, I think this is going to sit with me for a while.
I wonder if the amount of bulk these guys have on them exacerbates heat stroke because I have to believe cooling someone who's 150 lbs is gonna be easier than someone who's 340 lbs of muscle
So this is a genuine problem, but that's why the medics are described as cooling at the neck and the groin: that's where the big veins are near the surface and you can cool the blood, which travels to the whole body. You have to actually care if your patient lives or dies, though, that's kind of step 1.
Jettisoning Safety Third into the woods of Kentucky while the podcast loses altitude, it's found by a bear who for the 20 minutes it lived was the most safety-conscious predator in the northern hemisphere
Earlier this year in Rockwall, Texas, a high school football coach got suspended for running practices so hard at an offseason workout in January that a bunch of the kids got rhabdomyolysis. There was a split in the community over whether or not she should be fired; some (reasonable) people wanted him gone, others were like "but the football team has done well under him, we can't fire him." Keep in mind that Rockwall isn't some little town in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, but an affluent suburb of Dallas. I think he might've been fired since then but I'm not sure.
Alice, thank you for saying “in loco parentis.” I am a retired English professor in the United States, and I also worked in admissions and recruiting for about six years. At no point did anyone who taught me to teach instill in me the concept of “in loco parentis.” I learned that in my own reading, early in my career, on the origin of Western higher education beginning with the University of Bologna. In my experience of US university teaching, there is sort of a tacit understanding and agreement among the more perceptive of us that our traditional-aged students are essentially children, and have been entrusted to our care by their families. In admissions and recruiting, the concept is nearly anathema in favor of bringing revenue and prestige to institutions. I appreciate very much your framing of all university professionals as having a profound duty of care to all of our students.
i keep having to pause this episode because my little brother has recently started going to a football college and i don't know what i'd do if i heard he died because his coaches just didn't give a shit about him edit: this is genuinely incredibly painful to get trough, i can imagine it happening to him so easily. once he was passed out at my cousins wedding for like an hour due to heat exhaustion and i thought he was just taking a nap and if he'd died then I would never have forgive myself
Best send this to him then, and get him to show it to his co-athletes. So they know when to stand up for themselves and demand better treatment, when their lives are on the line.
I played field hockey basically all my childhood. I was a goalie. The field I played on had black rubber pellets that you would shake out of your shoes. I wore about 30 pounds of equipment. It raised the temperature another five degrees on top of the ten from being on the field. I remember running 100 yard sprints during pre season. I remember taking off my helmet and feeling how much cooler it was with my sweat. Everything I am hearing from this episode is a gut punch. I got heat exhaustion once in middle school. My mom and sister practically carried me upstairs. I was put in my mom’s bed and surrounded by ice packs and had gatorade practically tube fed to me. I was lucky enough to not be forced to be 300 plus pounds of muscle. This guy died a horrible death, begging for help from people who were supposed to take care of him. I’m crying right now. It hurts to think about. I wish I could give him a hug. Both him and Liam.
Liam is one of the few people who is able to get me crying whenever they get choked up while talking about something. Makes me fully realize how upsetting a topic really is.
I did marching band in college and looking back i have no idea how TF nobody died because instead of a field one year they decided to have us practice in the parking lot for the whole season.
I just... your big, muscly dude should _not_ be pressured to push through heat stress! Muscle generates a ton of heat in exertion, and a big person has _less surface area_ to lose heat through, relative to his mass. If he's showing symptoms, cool him off fast! This poor guy and his poor parents... I can't imagine.
I think that Wallace Loh, then President of UMD, deserves a mention. After McNair's death he accepted responsibility for his death and personally apologized to the family in person, then organized the independent investigation of the university's football program. After when the university board of regents tried to sweep the findings under the rug and formally advised him to reinstate Durkin and the involved athletic trainers, Loh told the regents to go to hell and fired everybody involved the next day, before himself resigning. It was such a public embarrassment that the head of the board then had no choice but to almost immediately resign as well and apologize for their recommendation. This tragedy never should have happened, and Loh absolutely should have known and reigned in his football program before it killed somebody, but it is surprising and refreshing to see somebody in a position of power for once accept responsibility and consequences.
I'm now pretty sure, after hearing what heat does to a body, this past heat wave accelerated our old big dog's demise. He is definitely damaged from having to endure the 3 days we were without power, here in TX. 115F daytime heat indexes, 80F nights. House got up to 95 inside during 2 of those days. And the planet is supposed to keep getting hotter and hotter. WTAF?
Learning that Vyvanse (and similar stimulants like Adderall) is a risk factor for exertional heat stroke gave me justification for not running outside during the summer heat. Seems like this is pretty important information as the planet warms up especially for younger folks who don't mind pushing their athletics under the actual sunshine.
The comment on athletic trainers telling high school students they don't need to go to the doctor made me cringe. I had an athletic trainer at basketball summer camp tell me I didn't need to go to a doctor for a painful wrist after a fall on outstretched hand. 6 months later an x-ray showed I had broken my scaphoid in half and there were several bone chips. The trainer later told my mother that she thought the injury couldn't be that painful because I still wanted to play.
I once had a job delivering and installing fitness equipment (someday I’ll send in a Safety Third about nearly losing my thumb at this job). The usual delivery was two guys taking a 200lb treadmill into a huge American suburban home, easy peasy. Sometimes it was two guys taking two days to move 10,000lb of free weight plates into a high school or college weight room. One day, I took an order of plates to Woodland Hills high school, home of legendary football coach and NFL hitmaker George Novak. He walked right up to the cab of our truck and said “Guys, this is going to be an easy delivery. Just hang out and we’ll do all the work.” Then a horde of freshmen came streaming out of the athletic building and unloaded our truck in like five minutes. I’ll end this story with an indefensible take: John Lennon should’ve written a song about freshmen.
Ooooh, Felix Magath mentioned! Guy was infamous for making his players run up and down a steep artificial hill while carrying medicine balls until they collapsed.
Liam, bareknuckle punches don't knock you out faster, they just cut your face more. Gloves let you punch the other guy in the face more and harder without breaking your hand
I played full contract football when I was a kid 10 years old - 12 years old. its crazy the stuff they had us doing. running laps in 100 degree Texas heat no water. full contact "Oklahoma drills" in practice (look that up if you don't know what it is). As someone who loves football and knows its a huge part of my culture, its just time we change certain things about it. for example no person should be doing it unless they are a professional and over 18.
Nice seeing a reference to "The Andromeda Strain". Excellent movie - one of the first I remember seeing as a very young child -, and also really readable and interesting book.
The book is fantastic. Some things in it are a little dated from 1969 but it still sucks you in. Every time I hear something on the news about a satellite falling to Earth I mutter something about how clearly nobody in charge read The Andromeda Strain.🤨🦠
The gatorade is a blended name gator- for the team and ade- for Dr. Cade the inventor. My parents were friends with him for years. They all knew each other from collecting Studebakers. Dr. Cade has a huge collection that after he passed his kids are going to make a museum with them. My dad had 7 currently.
Look up Robert James Cade, and its first name was Cade's ade. It made everyone vomit at first until they played around with flavoring and the lemon seemed to make it more palatable.
I grew up near South Bend, Indiana, where these cars were assembled. I remember and miss them so much, the early '60s models were so ugly they were strangely beautiful!
@@fauxpinkytoo he has a red golden hawk, a black hawk, a blue daytona, a yellow one, and and orange one don't remember which ones they are. A red ivanti, and a baby blue station wagon. My uncle and him restored them and they are all pretty much daily drivers. I learned to drive in the black hawk. As they said they wanted to make sure I was in a steel car.
This feels like one of those ones I can't bring myself to watch because it'd hit too close to home. In August 2020, a student at a college in Kentucky died during the first day of wrestling training because his coaches refused to let him get a drink of water. He was on ADHD medications that made him dehydrate more quickly. So do my ADHD meds. This kid did everything he was supposed to: he stopped, informed his coaches he was dehydrated and needed water. And they fucking brushed him off. This is the fucking America we live in.
Ice cold take: Denying water to a training athlete that says they require water in a position of authority over that athlete that results in bodily harm or death to that athlete should result in being charged with negligence, abuse, and second degree murder. Fuck this “be a man” shit. Being a man isn’t gonna allow you to transcend the limitations of biochemistry. Anyone who denies an athlete water at any time during training or anything should be suffer the consequences of their dumbass decisions.
It takes a lot for one of these episodes to get me to pause listening, but hearing the pain, anger and sadness in Liam's voice at 39:13 has done it. A good man pushed to the limit by crass injustice.
Heat illness deceives one's own mind because the worse off you become, the easier it is to talk yourself or for someone else to talk you into that whole mind over matter bullshit. The first thing to go is your rationality and your awareness about your own body and I've had it happen to me many times even though I was an EMT, a firefighter, and have my degree in biology. None of that knowledge helped once my brain get befuddled by the heat. I regularly get heat rashes and they are really obvious and blotchy. Since I have this point and shoot thermometer, one day I wondered whether the red rash was actually hotter than the skin right next to it that wasn't red. It sure seemed like it from feeling it. Well, the red skin was 10 degrees hotter than the skin right next to it that wasn't red and that actually really surprised me. I was also inside at the time and the ambient temperature was 83 F in the house, plus it doesn't help that this has gotten worse since I am going through menopause and I get hot flashes that do this even if it's relatively cool where I am. This made me get a window AC so I can turn it on before the shit really starts hitting the fan because if I get super sick from the heat, I continue to have difficulties regulating my temperature and have oddities of breathing and heart rate for at least an entire week. I have just resigned myself to the fact that I simply can't go outside for many months during the summer because doing so risk my life.
Are you perhaps taking antihistamines or beta-blockers? Those can mess up your body's temperature regulation. Same for alcohol, amphetamines, diuretics... And those "oddities of breathing and heart rate" can be a LOT more serious. High body temperature (~40C = ~104F) can cause intestinal barrier to become more permeable, leading to bacteria escaping into bloodstream and infecting the cardiac muscle. Had this happen to me twice. Once as a teenager back in the '90s, as a result of a high fewer caused by influenza, ended up in hospital where the symptoms miraculously went away practically in minutes after a preventive shot of penicillin. For the next 15 days doctors tried to find the cause of my "heart condition" that the EKG showed - couldn't find it. Second time it was during 2020 when I got "stranded" at my girlfriend's place at the Croatian seaside - wearing winter clothes and boots, with everything in lockdown but the supermarkets. And then I lost my hat at one of those and we strolled some 5 kilometers in the sun to get it back. Started feeling dizzy at the supermarket, by the time we got back I was running a fever of around +38C with heat rash all over. And then I did a really stupid thing and took an antihistamine she gave me for that rash. Fever goes up to 40C, I start taking two breaths per one sentence. Or half a sentence. No issue taking breaths but clearly without oxygen - that's the pump. And I know the symptoms. High body temperature and can't catch a breath unless sitting laid back cause the chest itself feels like a burden. Luckily, my girlfriend had some antibiotics. 2000mg of amoxicillin and I can breathe normally again as soon as it started working. Stopped taking antihistamines, they got flushed out in 6-8 hours, continued drinking liquids and cooling the body and the temperature receded. Had issues staying in the sun for longer than 15 minutes for a month or so though. Didn't get an EKG that time, couldn't return home for months more due to the whole 2020 thing, but had I gotten one it would probably show sings of myocarditis.
I'm pretty sure this is the only episode that has made me openly weep. I count myself lucky that I've only ever reached the point of heat exhaustion, with plenty of people around to help me to my feet. What an unbelievably evil system.
I remember when I was in highschool football(2007-2008) they would withhold water as a punishment. You'd be in the 108-110 degree heat running laps, but if you took too long(Like, for example, because you were having heat exhaustion) they wouldn't let you take water breaks. My last day in football I begged for some water because I was feeling extremely sick, got told to get back to running, and literally don't remember anything else until I woke up in the hospital. Got told I was just weak, but they'd "Beat that out of me", so I quit because I didn't want to end up dying.
When I was a kid, we used to play tackle football in the neighborhood using everything from the grass right in front of people's houses on one side to the grass on the other side and this included the concrete sidewalks and the asphalt street, which is where a lot of the tackling occurred. I was always the fastest runner so I always got the ball but never got tackled. The only time I went down was when the other team had the ball and when I tackled them. I tackled on the asphalt mostly but I tackled a few times on the grass. I don't think I ever ended up tackling on the sidewalk but that was it took up the smallest area in out improvised football field. None of us ever wore a helmet or any kind of other padding. I don't know if any of the males put on a cup but I was born with the cup of my abdomen which is generally quite an effective protection for my ovaries, as they had to sabotage themselves but much later in life due to ovarian cysts. We got all fucked up falling on the asphalt but it's not like we wouldn't have done some other stunt and eventually fallen on the asphalt. I used to think when one skinned knee healed that I should be expecting another one soon because that was about the frequency at which I got them basically until I got my driver's license and, even then, that just meant that I put my bike in the back of my car and got a skinned knee on jumps that were further away from my house. I got injured so much as a kid that the doctor tried to blame my parents for abusing me (probably because I so happen to have been born female) and I'm really glad I could convince them that it was because I did stunts from the time I got home from school until dark every day and all day whenever I didn't have school. Every so often, one falls doing stunts but this results in an above average number of injuries because once you've figured out how to perform one trick without falling, you move on to fall trying to figure out the next trick. My parents weren't perfect or anything but neither of them ever laid a hand on me in abuse.
I will add that none of us hit our heads when we played our insane version of street tackle football but we very well could have died if any of us had happened to have fallen in such a way so as to hit our heads on the edge of the curb. Since there were 3-4 people on each team, there were more touchdowns and fewer tackles when we played. There was always me and the oldest guy who play and who was actually playing football at school who mostly ran the ball. That guy was at least an entire foot taller than I was but I was the only one who could run fast enough to catch him and I just held on until I fell. He was also the only one who even got close to laying a hand on me to try to tackle me when I had the ball because I was short so I could change directions faster than he could and I was a faster runner than he was, but he was usually close enough to encourage my fastest running. lol
Thank you so much for doing captions again, and thank you so much to Anna for doing them :) As someone who doesn't have the best auditory processing sometimes, they can be extremely helpful and it's greatly appreciated :)
Football has a deep cultural issue. It always has. In my childhood I felt diminished as a boy because I was too small / slow to be any sort of useful football player...as an adult, almost 50, I'm now grateful that my body was not sacrificed to the grist mill of tackle football in scant hopes of "free college" or "NFL career"
The 10x110 sprints at 19 seconds apiece interested me. Fun fact, 3300 feet (3 feet to a yard, times 110, times 10) is exactly 5/8 of a mile. So one of those sprints is 5/80ths of a mile, and expecting a person to do that in 19 seconds means they're moving at just shy of 12 miles per hour about 11.8. The current marathon world record is 2:01:09, which is 12.97 miles per hour. If you ran a marathon at a speed of 11.8 miles per hour you'd get a time of 2:12:44 which would be a fucking incredible time. In fact it would be so incredible that you would QUALIFY TO REPRESENT THE UNITED STATES AT THE 2024 OLYMPICS (2:18 qualifying time). So, can you sustain Olympic Marathoner Speeds for even 20 seconds? Get on a bicycle, pull out an app that will show your speed on the screen and get up to 12 miles per hour. Most people can do this on a bicycle, but then think about trying to run that speed. Now think about trying to run that speed TEN TIMES. Now think about trying to run that speed when your body type is approximately "Frigidaire". Just barely over three minutes to run 5/8 of a mile. That's just barely over a six minute mile which is a hell of an accomplishment. There's absolutely people in high school who can do it, but they're all less than half this guy's size.
lmao Those coaches sound like the drill instructor for the fire academy I was in. The problem was that I found it hilarious when he would yell in my face and, no matter how much I didn't want more push-ups, I just couldn't avoid laughing when he yelled in my face. Then he'd try to crack jokes when he was yelling in other people's faces and I couldn't avoid laughing. In the end of the academy, literally everyone else lost weight except for me and I gained weight but I gained an inch of diameter around each bicep (never measured any other part but because I got the most push-ups of anyone, this made sense). Now that I've taken 3 years of chemistry and smelled many sorts of chemicals, I realize now that the odd smell that my urine used to take on was of ketones so probably I would have gotten even more ripped had I not pissed out some of my muscle as a liquid due to the extreme training in the hot sun. Come to think of it, this is also when I started getting extra sensitive to the heat but it must have also been around the time I started having issues with my hormones because my periods because even more hell than they had been before. This is not even the most ripped I got either because, when I was in college, someone dared me to go to yoga and I thought it would be easy so I went. Well, yoga handed my ass to me even though this wasn't all that long after I had gone to fire academy. It also felt really good and, to make it even better, the teacher was hot, so I took up yoga. That actually got me to lose weight even though I had been working out 3 hours a day in the gym ever since fire academy. All I could ever do was gain weight, which was muscle mass, but none of my fat would burn (not that I cared about that either but it was just a fact). For some reason, yoga made me gain muscle as usual but also burn the fat. I lost nearly 100 lbs in a little over a year without changing a damn thing I ate. If anything I had to stop going to the gym for as long because my classes started to get harder so I needed more time for studying (or at least that's what I thought since my grades never went down but I tend to over study at least when it comes to being able to pass the test but my point of learning something is to learn as much as I can about it).
I had no health insurance when I was in fire academy and I had none for more than 10 years. By the time I got insurance, I had an ovarian cyst the size of a grapefruit. By the time they were able to remove it, it was the size of a basketball and I couldn't even breathe with my diaphragm because there was no more room left in my abdomen for that. Sucked and I would have gone to the doctor for my terrible hormonal issues but I didn't have the money and I didn't ask anyone for the money.
As a former resident of the M in DMV (DC, Maryland & Virginia for you not blessed enough to have been born there), I look forward to Liam taking giant crap on Terps football.
This is one of those episodes that really hits because, like all deaths are tragic a lot of the victims in other episodes are guys like me. People who'd rather not die, but are in some sort of line of work where they know the risks going in. This was just some kid playing a game.
It is wild and egregious the same people who cry "concerns" over teens having access to puberty blockers don't even think twice about high school or collegiate sports and the lives they actually ruin.
A few years back there was a study to compare the effects of various sports drinks, and they found that the one that did the best job of replenishing the minerals and salts lost through sweating and exercise was lowfat chocolate milk. I am just old enough to remember when Gatorade became commercially available. AT the time the pitch was all about performance enhancement, but they realized they could boost sales if they could sell it to people who weren't athletes, so they changed the formula and added more sugar to get something tasty. As for how it tasted before, I've always thought this line from the movie 2010 captured it well: "If it has to taste like this I don't care if my electrolytes are balanced."
>This is not an actionable threat, Liam does not have the facilities to actually fire someone into the sun. But with YOUR help, for just $2 a month, we can change that.
I go to UMD and Jordan’s parents came to a football game this year. I don’t fully remember but they accepted some kind of award or recognition for the foundation. I can’t imagine coming back to the football program after what happened but I’m pretty sure UMD donated money.
Children not being able to afford doctors is just an insane concept. America is a very sad place.
America is very beautiful and very ugly at the same time. We are just like every other country. I live in TX and our State Representatives let people freeze to death. All because we won't connect to either part of the national grid. 😮💨
Yeah it’s awful here
This place is pretty awful. The most cruel form of capitalism. Great country geographically. That's about it. Healthcare is dogshit, pay is low, and everything revolves around cars. I haven't owned one in 3 years and it's been a nightmare.
It's only going to get worse, too 😀😀😀
I remember one time back in the mid 1990s watching an American show (don't remember which one right now) and hearing one of the characters complain about not being able to afford a visit to a doctor. My then 10-year old self here in Western Europe was puzzled for entire weeks at the idea of being charged for basic healthcare. I literally had no idea that such a thing was real in my lifetime, that same character could've said that in America pigs do fly, for all purposes. The concept of a rich country not providing basic universal medical coverage to its citizens is just bonkers.
The booster who blamed McNair for his own death is Rick Jaklitsch, who is a local personal injury attorney who puts a lot of money into the program and is very well connected. Now, later during the post McNair season, he tries to get on the plane with the team to go on a road trip, and the players find this out and have him removed from the plane. Cheered like hell for those kids all season.
College football boosters are the lowest form of life. Just absolute scum. If you gave me the choice of hanging out at a booster party or a homeless encampment, I would go to the booster party, steal all the top shelf booze, and bring it to a homeless encampment.
It's a shame you can't get those doors open in-flight, or I would have suggested that they let him on that plane, if you KNOW what I MEAN
@@nicktorridno ticket
@@nicktorridVIP (very irritating projectile) treatment is called for
@@nicktorrid"drop him off in time for dinner" like Red Reddington.
There are two wolves inside Liam, one is very loud and the other is soft-spoken and Devon has to corral them
There are two wolves inside of you. Sorry about the transporter accident.
@@nitehawk86both wolves are named Toby
@@nitehawk86 There are two wolves inside you. We are considering moving the teleportation facility out of this forest.
There are two ovaries inside of me. They have shut down. I am happy.
Me talking out loud to my laptop for some reason: "What horrors do they have for us this week?"
First slide: Maryland
Me: "oh god oh fuck"
hey, i live in maryland and i can say it’s not that bad!
it’s worse
my favorite thing about a coach blaming an athlete's death on steroids use is -- hey quick Q coach: how'd'ya know? did you know before they died? bc if u knew before they died, but apparently know that those substances can be fatal to a young athlete, then you just admitted to culpability in their death, and if you WERE MAKING THEM TAKE THEM, then you murdered the kid
but bc its america, the thought process stops at "they used", oops guess its the kids own fault he died after an adult all but held him down & put the needle in him himself
As someone who played tackle football from the age of 7 to the age of 17, as a lineman, I feel like I have the same level of anxiety around CTE as alice has about pryons
Also, I think it's important to note that a lot of high schools don't have any athletic trainers. I played for two schools, neither of which had athletic trainers at any practices. The larger of the two schools, a very well funded program that had made something like 8 state championship games in a row only had athletic trainers around on game days
Fuck you man, you just reminded me of prions. Well time to do dabs till I forget again
I'm terrified about CTE. I was a lineman as well and played from elementary to high school. Our coaches praised us for cracking helmets firing off the ball. It was legitimately since as weak and giving up if you said your head hurt. It was always "I'm good, just got my bell rung". No joke I probably had a dozen concussions in a decade of playing. The only time I was tested or treated was when I was almost KO'd by a cheap-shot in a game. It got really bad and I would forget everything. By my senior year, we would break the huddle and by the time I was at the line I couldn't remember anything. I would even feel frozen stuck. I would get mind bending headaches and still do even though it's been a decade. I feel like such an idiot for how reckless I was. My mental health taken a nose dive over last few year. Constant outbursts of anger, extreme mood swings, crying spells, etc. I'm scared what I may have done to my head just in the name of "fun". I also have intention tremors, so that's fun. I hope this came out legible. I have trouble with putting thoughts and words together.
Our hs swim team did Vietnam numbers- almost everyone was smoking weed to self medicate and half were using painkillers and muscle relaxants.
@@SJB70Jesus Christ, pal. Hope you're getting some medical attention. It's so fucked that this happens to kids.
I once had to threaten to throat punch a first-aid volunteer who told me I would kill my patient by rapid cooling, as she’s starting to try to seize on me- I was like ‘I’m a critical care nurse get the hell away from my patient!!’
Worked with an NCO in the Army who was a lineman for a major SEC school and enlisted after not making the NFL. He'd tell me about all of these horrible torture work outs they'd make him do and how much worse it was than anything he did in the military. Anyway when I had to plan Officer PT I just used his workouts from college in the hopes of injuring my boss
Malicious compliance eh?
This podcast has helped me realize that I probably didn't have heat stroke in Freshman marching band drills, but I did have heat exhaustion. I never did anything this extreme, but I will never forget gasping for air while I saw my body stop sweating and my sunscreen seeming to just float on top of my skin.
The pain in Liam's voice is so piercing, and completely justified.
yeah band stuff is probably just as bad or even worse.
@@philipb.3758 Band kids can even get injuries from holding their instruments the wrong way. It's relatively common to see young clarinet players with their their thumb on the wrong side of the thumbrest and that playing like that will legit give you carpal tunnel. And that's just one example!
@@shitfuckmcgee8611having played clarinet, what do you mean by "wrong side"? Above it?
@@DavidChiappini On top of it, yes. I think the problem is that a lot of them were taught to hold the thumbrest between their thumb and forefinger while they were learning their first notes. Sometimes, when they start using their right hand, they don't realize that their thumb position has to change.
@@shitfuckmcgee8611 a righteous and just punishment for choosing to be a woodwind player.
On a similar note, that there’s a lawsuit going on rn because a UO coach denied players water during heavy training, and it destroyed three players’ kidneys and potential NFL careers.. It’s wild to me that this happened so recently, college athletes need to be paid for their work, training, and all the shit they’re put through !
Listening to Liam at some points in this video really breaks my heart with the emotion that comes through. Liam, please have virtual hugs. Hell, everybody gets virtual hugs!
Liam on the verge of tears because he's so mad is so real. Covering these topics regularly takes a lot out of you, and makes you so vitriolic to the adults who neglect to care for youths in their charge.
This was rough to listen to. Liam is commonly able to show disgust and contempt with awful people and situations where it's largely deserved. He can usually deliver this with some form of gallows humor to take the sting off a little bit. There's a lot of heartfelt emotion in this one and it's just harder to not get emotionally involved listening to it as well.
I have a cousin who died of heat stroke during football practice in high school. Far as I know, the coach who killed him was not hanged.
It's not too late. Just saying. I didn't hear anything about this
@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat He lived on the other side of the country from me, and I think I only met him once. It wasn't an emotional loss for me personally any more than it is when I hear about the number of complete strangers dying this way.
But yeah. The men (and it's always fucking men) who do this to children should hang. Quite a few people only want to keep the death penalty for child molesters (understanding the issues with the carceral state more likely to catch/convict marginalized people, the fact that fascists are now conflating pedophilia and every kind of queerness, etc), but football coaches literally kill kids all the time and there's no moral panic about them. Where's the angry mob out for blood over my cousin's death? Where's the absurd laws making high school football effectively impossible without ever spelling it out on paper? Where's the inquisition of state law enforcement questioning elementary school children when their teacher shows a clip from a football movie?
Why do all of those suggestions sound insane to the very people doing that to queer kids all over the country?
Yet!
Teddy Roosevelt was an inhuman gigachad who had a bad habit of giving speeches while suffering from untreated gunshot wounds, so it's probably a bad idea to participate in a game that he thought was "manly."
the biggest thing that explains Teddy is that he spent his entire youth as a weedy little asthmatic whose sole interaction with the outside world was reading pulp novels. then, amazingly, despite a medical treatment program of "we'll drag the runt across the country and see if that fixes something," it cleared up in his teenage years. resulting in his teenage years being spent running around believing comic books were real and he was the protagonist
If America was anywhere near as hard as we like to believe, we'd be getting fired up for National Buzkashi League season
He also did a lot of heinous shit. His idea of American "manliness" included eating lots of beef and playing extremely dangerous sports, so I wouldn't call him a "gigachad".
if ever a man was a gigachad, it's teddy roosevelt. the guy's formative experiences were a bunch of pulp caricatures of masculinity, and he was rich enough that the first time he experienced a consequence for ANYTHING he did was the time he and his radical republican pals nominated a black guy for president and got told by his family "you are taking a long vacation somewhere very far away, effective immediately."
the man was one of the earliest cases of being Too Online, insulated enough from reality by wealth and sickness to do a host of things anyone remotely sane would not have done. as his daughter put it, "daddy wants to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral." part of which being insanely war-hungry even by White Guy in The Late 1800s standards.
@@superyerfdogeating lots of beef is fine. I mean he's not Jordan Peterson, eat literally nothing but beef, turmeric, and salt...
I was a 2nd string lineman back in highschool, and there was a time when I got put in for a last second kickoff (like 10 sec left in 4th quarter), and an opposing guy blocked me by slamming his helmet into the side of mine. I only know this b/c of the game footage; I blacked out and woke up on the ground. A referee yelled at me for being dramatic while I was getting up, as everybody was leaving the field.
It was a joke while reviewing footage the next day, "Aaand here's where Watchmaker died lol". Everbody chuckled, including me. But thinking back, nobody checked to see if I was ok. No concussion checks on the > 6' ~250lbs guy who suddenly flopped onto the ground limp and staryed there for 10 seconds after getting hit. It's the only time I've ever been knocked out, and it could have been worse, but to the local football culture it was a joke.
TLDR: Society has passed beyond the need for football
That's really awful, I'm sorry that happened to you. Anywhere else you would've (and should've!) been taken to urgent care. The attitude towards student athletes is disgusting.
No empathy for men
@@st.orville2285 I mean... As someone who's been through modern "concussion care" there's nothing the best medicine in the world can do for a concussion, nevermind an urgent care. The only thing you can do is to not make it worse by getting hit again, or just avoid the concussion in the first place
What a perfect topic for the literal hottest week in recorded history (so far)
there's always next week
"so far" Bruh, you're right but I want you to be wrong
hottest week since the KTME event... (or maybe TGD late përmian event)
Future here: it's fucking hotter.
Hate to tell you this...
When I was chasing a cheerleader in high school, a football player vomiting was viewed by the coach and team as an accomplishment. I saw it a few times. They kept a trashcan behind the goalpost for summer practice. It meant they were dedicated.
I played football in high school (00s), we had to do morning and afternoon practices. Morning vomit was from the hangover, afternoon vomit was from the heat. But it was always a point of pride for the person puking
Weird username
my brother played varsity in high school and would get pissed at me saying it's probably bad to exercise until you throw up
I've heard about schools with rowing teams that didn't give a shit about the students as long as they brought home the trophy, but none to the point where they actually were breaking kids physically
So it's kind of assumed that you can quit at any time? It is a relentless pursuit of competitiveness, that much is true. The kids that keep up doing it: the ones that will play through puke and nausea, will be the better team, when game time comes. Not saying that physical trauma and permanent injury are required, absolutely not, that just makes you worse.
But non-permanent suffering like sweat, tears and vomit ARE what make a strong team. That much is fact. The problem is when coaches are unconcerned, inept, or maliciously sadistic. That is 100% unacceptable. A coach's job is to push the athlete to achieve what they could not on their own. That is the definition. A good coach is acutely aware of their athlete's capabilities and limitations. They will push them up as close as possible to those limitations, but never beyond.
It should be always assumed, as well, that the power dynamic should be in the athlete's favor. As soon as the athlete says "Enough, no more," then it is enough.
Last time I was this early, Planet Earth was still fit for human habitation.
For the time being it still is. Not very long though
Isn't the failure to take the patient's temperature in and of itself criminal negligence?
It really can’t be overstated how institutionally insane S&C coaches are. They basically facilitate athletic teenagers into the ridiculous physical archetypes they turn into when they leave (disregarding how actually healthy their body is) purely thru them being the most aggressive people in a facility full of 100, young and exploited young men who hit each other for a living. The closest comparison is a military drill sergeant but a drill sergeant can’t go as far as S&Cs go cuz a military would see that they’re just gonna kill the enlisted.
Part of why privatizing everything is HORRIFIC: there will be less and less oversight and accountability.
Highly motivated to be that way too, because a head s&c job is extremely rare, and extremely coveted after a decade + of politicking and moving around with the head coach you've attached yourself to every couple of years. You work 60-100 hours a week and nothing below it pays a living wage.
My heart sank when you said he was prescribed Vyvanse. I cannot stress enough how much it makes you vulnerable to the heat no matter how much water you drink.
For real, I felt my blood run cold for a second there knowing just how much worse this was gonna get. I never had good heat tolerance to begin with, but even on a very low dose of vyvanse, I now get violently ill after prolonged exposure to temps above 80. Mid 70’s if im in direct sunlight make me get rashes and faint.
This poor kid never had a fucking chance because of these murderously negligent bastards
@@haphazardlark1502 I know right? The day before this aired I got sick volunteering at an outdoor charity event in 30 degrees; the organisers knew I’m prescribed Vyvanse so they took all precautions; hat, suncream, water, gave me a role that involved sitting under a shady gazebo….despite all that they became worried about my slurred speech at the three hour mark and sent me home despite my protests. I was gutted and felt I’d let the charity down, but then I listened to this podcast and realised how lucky I was to be working with people who look out for their team.
@@charlotte-mg9wj I am so glad they had your back with safety because when this shit goes bad it goes bad fast :(
So anyways I just found out I'm more susceptible to heatstroke and sunburn when I take my adhd medication wtf.
@@ProletariatPrince yup. I’ve been taking it for 10 years but only found this out in the past 2 years, thanks global warming:(
Two things: The McNair Settlement is/was limited by statute being as Maryland is a public university.
Also, there's a story that was missed (due to time I presume) that Durkin was cleared of any major wrongdoing by the Board Of Trustees of the University prior to the Michigan State game later that season. The students at the University, the media, and the players themselves (a significant number vowed not to play for him) raised enough hell that the Governor (who I believe appoints like a third of the Board) had to get on the phone and tell them to get the guy outta here
I went to school growing up in Florida, and they used to work us outside during PE in some of the hottest, shittiest weather imaginable-- And no, we weren't allowed to have water breaks or get off the field. Just imagine like eight to ten 11 year old kids vomiting and crying and being shouted at for doing so, and that was the experience. Those teachers should be fucking arrested, but as kids, we just thought it was normal to get so hot that we stopped sweating. In retrospect, it's amazing none of us died.
For the record, DJ Durkin left his job at Ole Miss a year or two ago for a better-paying job at Texas A&M, which, among other things, is where Bear Bryant *tried* to kill a bunch of kids in the heat as famously documented in "The Junction Boys" (he did not succeed).
43:28 “here we have a satellite image of..” THE CRIME SCENE, ITS A CRIME SCENE! YOU CAN CALL IT THE CRIME SCENE!!
Thanks for covering this!
If anyone is out in the heat, even if people tell you it "isn't hot," if you start to feel short of breath, dizzy, nauseated, or overwhelmed by the heat, take it very seriously and get out of the heat as soon as you can, preferably to an air conditioned location. Don't fuck around with heat illness because your brain will play tricks on your making you think you'll be fine and other people might try to reenforce this notion. Tell them to fuck off and remind yourself that heat illness is deadly seriously. Believe me that the sicker you get from it, the more delusional you become about maybe being able to just do this much more in the heat or just get to there. Don't believe your own delusion. The only place you should be going is to the air conditioning and let the entire world call you a wimp because you'll at least be alive. Fuck their opinions!
i am extremely sensitive to the heat, and have had heat exhaustion several times. its always worth it to be a wimp than risk death
@@loaf8506 Yes. Safety is always at least among the top three.
The fact that Alice has read Football 17776 makes me extremely happy
edit: the apparent intersection between WTYP fans and Jon Bois fans also makes me extremely happy
Of course she has, she is trans xD
@@rowanthayer3632Jon Bois transed me with gamma radiation
We love Jon Bois, don't we folks? 🏳️⚧️
yay jon!
You ever heard about lunchables?
"Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair."
I know you guys joke about it not being a ton of work, but thanks for putting the time and effort in to make these, I listen to them while working and it makes the day bearable.
Jesus, that was heavy. You can do an episode with 5000 deaths, and it doesn't hit as hard.
When Liam's loading that hypothetical sun-cannon, I'll help pack the payload.
A single dead is a tragedy while thousands dying is a statistic.
The real terrible stuff is just too much to really understand deep down while you can very much see yourself in such a smale scale situation.
Timestamps:
0:00:00 Coffee Update
0:01:16 Intro
0:02:43 The GD News: Sincerely Held Matthew 7:1-2
0:08:52 Background: Football Safety and the Helmet Arms Race
0:20:46 Background: Heat-related Illness
0:27:27 Background: Coaching in The NCAA
0:31:33 Background: Athletic Trainers
0:37:21 Background: U of M Bad
0:41:30 Our Characters
0:43:28 The Incident
1:00:40 Immediate Aftermath
1:06:28 Long-Term Aftermath and Takeaways
Thank you, Comrade.
Please keep doing these and never stop
Thankings.
converting my mother from liberalism by getting her into this podcast. it’s working quite well, she listens regularly now :)
Hopefully from liberalism to Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
But cous ....... How sure are you, she isn't just a spy for the neo-libs. You know, like some kinda MILF honeypot type deal.
Slowly injecting herself into our movement, like one of those wasps that lays its eggs in your ear ...... Just sayin brah :P
welcome fellow conservatives just kidding
...from liberalism to Marxism.Good boy!
Yay for Podcasting as Praxis.
"You gotta drink sweat to make sweat." is low key the best line in the episode!
I admit, Gatorade tastes better if you've been sweating..
Beginning of episode "oh boy, a new WTYP episode"
End of episode "Googling how to launch a university into the sun"
This is the only episode I've listened to that made me cry. I was an athletic trainer and high school and we had ice baths and pools every practice for situations like this. This was so preventable and it pisses me off so much.
Liam, hearing you choke up really gets through just how horrible this shit is. We can all make jokes to make light of things at times when it helps, but sometimes it is no place for joking. Your anger and sorrow is so justified and I wish things were better but we have to push hard until they are
Liam can be terrifying when he lets his anger loose. What we learned in this podcast is that it is infinitely more ominous when he restrains his rage and makes an effort to remind calm and collected, I for one am grateful that he has never seemed to direct his rage at an undeserving target, and will state in solidarity that these people have names, jobs and addresses. They exist, and their behaviours can be ....Emphatically commented upon.... And it is long past time that these horrific systemic abuses be called out for what they are, that the perpetrators and the beneficiaries of this horror be named and shamed, and that they face consequences BOTH legal and social for their actions.
I was already familiar with the basics of the NCAA crime syndicate, but this podcast still managed to shock me to my core. I only wish I could believe it was even slightly dramatized or exaggerated, but I am certain that if anything, some details still had to be left out, and it was in fact even worse.
RIP Jordan McNair, you deserved better.
Durkin is no longer at Ole Miss because my alma mater, Texas A&M, saw fit to hire him as the defensive coordinator for its football team. Watching him coach my team feels like living in a house with that Victorian arsenic wallpaper.
Bonus: we went 5-7 last season (Durkin’s first at TAMU) and missed a bowl for the first time in over a decade. We’ve sold our program’s soul for nothing. Thanks, Jimbo!
In Texas, if I'm remembering correctly, they even push the JrHigh kids that hard. Had a football player friend that had like 3 concussions and idk how many heat events before he even got outta high school. He's dead now, aneurysm at the gym couple decades later. Take care of yourselves, and don't over do it.
One time I was vomiting from heat exhaustion or stroke after being in my parents trailer without AC. I told my Dad I had heat stroke. He yelled “If you had heat stroke, we’d already be at the hospital!” To this day I don’t know what he thought that meant. So he and my Mom sent me home in an uber when I was barely able to stay conscious. Not the first time they risked killing me out of apathy. The first time was when I fell out of a tree and was in a 3 hour coma. Didn’t even call a doctor. They’ve been rich my whole life.
Oh my fucking God, heat stroke! I have nearly died of that several times. I had to quit the fire department because of my sensitivity to heat.
I'm glad your okay and it's good you were a fighter fighter, but also it's very funny that you were a firefighter with a heat sensitivity
@@BlackBirdSweep I started having hormonal problems around that age that made me heat sensitive and I had no idea about it before then. I ended up loving the medical side even more than the fire fighting side so I went that way and discovered that one does not simply become a doctor if one goes to the cheapest school in one's state. Other than that, I would have gotten in.
i think adults are going to realize that Kids Doing Stuff Outside have been subjected to terrible temperatures like this regularly now that they get to feel them too
underrated part of the podcast is how darn big liam's heart is. we're all so used to the rants as a form of showing that he cares (because you SHOULD BE MAD) but the moments where he chokes up are like a reminder of that empathy. it's hard to be a person who cares and i appreciate that he keeps doin it and puttin it out there.
This episode is very relevant to me.
I'm an Old, and I drive flatbed semi-truck long-haul to make money in this Capitalist hellscape (n.b. I would LOVE to see an episode on trucking infrastructure and labor practices). What this means is that sometimes I spend my days driving across Nebraska on a beautiful day, and sometimes I have to chain down and tarp up steel in Laredo when it's 118° F, or lumber in Georgia when the wet-bulb is off the charts (or do the same in North Dakota in subzero weather).
I've DEFINITELY suffered heat injuries, because the heat has made a fool of me. I fortunately have had it happen and survived, and now I recognize the signs. But other guys don't; last week, I told the driver of another truck that id he didn't take a break right then and there, I was gonna call the safety office AND the State Patrol on him.
Capitalism sucks.
I don't have anything to add to this topic, but I think more people should be aware that there's an institution called the University of Maryland University College.
thats because you shouldn't be confused with the University of Maryland Baltimore County .
Also not to be confused with university of maryland global campus
I like that it has college. Makes it feel like it was originally "university of Marland university university" and the person giving feedback only managed to get one removed
I needed my crew today! Been in the process of packing and planning, ready to move away from this state! (Louisiana)
Safe travels, i hope the place you move to is better
Livvy dunne rizzed up baby gronk to commit to lsu
Best of luck
Congrats and best of luck!
Godsspeed.
I really appreciate this episode. Hearing Liam tear up and Drew reading the list of abuses was really hard, but this feels important and meaningful and really, really well done.
Love you all. Stay strong.
Damn i was surprised id never heard of this esp given how recent it was. Heat stress is absolutely no joke, its criminal how many places pride themselves in forcing people (but esp kids) to just work until they drop.
One of the benefits of no schedule: surprise burst of episodes
I'm so glad that you've all decided to tackle the problems inherent in American Handball.
Handegg
@@TiagoJoaoSilva Sounds delicious. I'll have my American Handegg poached and served over a green salad.
@@SamwiseOutdoorscan I get mine with frisée?
@@nicktorrid Yes, absolutely. You have a choice between crumbled feta or a crispy chevre croquette as a topping.
Eh, less American handball, more like continental rugby
Liam, thank you for your contributions to this episode. This was one of the hardest episodes of wtyp for me to get through, and I started crying shortly after you spoke about how parents trust that their kids are going to be taken care of at university around 38min in. You brought an emotional depth to this episode that really affected me. I'm glad I'm alone at work today, I think this is going to sit with me for a while.
This video just saved my moms life today because i knew what to look for and got her in the cold shower slightly before it escalated to heat stroke.
I wonder if the amount of bulk these guys have on them exacerbates heat stroke because I have to believe cooling someone who's 150 lbs is gonna be easier than someone who's 340 lbs of muscle
So this is a genuine problem, but that's why the medics are described as cooling at the neck and the groin: that's where the big veins are near the surface and you can cool the blood, which travels to the whole body.
You have to actually care if your patient lives or dies, though, that's kind of step 1.
Jettisoning Safety Third into the woods of Kentucky while the podcast loses altitude, it's found by a bear who for the 20 minutes it lived was the most safety-conscious predator in the northern hemisphere
Earlier this year in Rockwall, Texas, a high school football coach got suspended for running practices so hard at an offseason workout in January that a bunch of the kids got rhabdomyolysis. There was a split in the community over whether or not she should be fired; some (reasonable) people wanted him gone, others were like "but the football team has done well under him, we can't fire him." Keep in mind that Rockwall isn't some little town in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, but an affluent suburb of Dallas. I think he might've been fired since then but I'm not sure.
Alice, thank you for saying “in loco parentis.”
I am a retired English professor in the United States, and I also worked in admissions and recruiting for about six years.
At no point did anyone who taught me to teach instill in me the concept of “in loco parentis.”
I learned that in my own reading, early in my career, on the origin of Western higher education beginning with the University of Bologna.
In my experience of US university teaching, there is sort of a tacit understanding and agreement among the more perceptive of us that our traditional-aged students are essentially children, and have been entrusted to our care by their families.
In admissions and recruiting, the concept is nearly anathema in favor of bringing revenue and prestige to institutions.
I appreciate very much your framing of all university professionals as having a profound duty of care to all of our students.
i keep having to pause this episode because my little brother has recently started going to a football college and i don't know what i'd do if i heard he died because his coaches just didn't give a shit about him
edit: this is genuinely incredibly painful to get trough, i can imagine it happening to him so easily. once he was passed out at my cousins wedding for like an hour due to heat exhaustion and i thought he was just taking a nap and if he'd died then I would never have forgive myself
Best send this to him then, and get him to show it to his co-athletes. So they know when to stand up for themselves and demand better treatment, when their lives are on the line.
I played field hockey basically all my childhood. I was a goalie. The field I played on had black rubber pellets that you would shake out of your shoes. I wore about 30 pounds of equipment. It raised the temperature another five degrees on top of the ten from being on the field. I remember running 100 yard sprints during pre season. I remember taking off my helmet and feeling how much cooler it was with my sweat. Everything I am hearing from this episode is a gut punch. I got heat exhaustion once in middle school. My mom and sister practically carried me upstairs. I was put in my mom’s bed and surrounded by ice packs and had gatorade practically tube fed to me. I was lucky enough to not be forced to be 300 plus pounds of muscle. This guy died a horrible death, begging for help from people who were supposed to take care of him. I’m crying right now. It hurts to think about. I wish I could give him a hug. Both him and Liam.
Liam is one of the few people who is able to get me crying whenever they get choked up while talking about something. Makes me fully realize how upsetting a topic really is.
I did marching band in college and looking back i have no idea how TF nobody died because instead of a field one year they decided to have us practice in the parking lot for the whole season.
I did DCI, and I'm also not sure how no one dies in that. Texas in July is hell.
I just... your big, muscly dude should _not_ be pressured to push through heat stress! Muscle generates a ton of heat in exertion, and a big person has _less surface area_ to lose heat through, relative to his mass. If he's showing symptoms, cool him off fast! This poor guy and his poor parents... I can't imagine.
I think that Wallace Loh, then President of UMD, deserves a mention. After McNair's death he accepted responsibility for his death and personally apologized to the family in person, then organized the independent investigation of the university's football program. After when the university board of regents tried to sweep the findings under the rug and formally advised him to reinstate Durkin and the involved athletic trainers, Loh told the regents to go to hell and fired everybody involved the next day, before himself resigning. It was such a public embarrassment that the head of the board then had no choice but to almost immediately resign as well and apologize for their recommendation.
This tragedy never should have happened, and Loh absolutely should have known and reigned in his football program before it killed somebody, but it is surprising and refreshing to see somebody in a position of power for once accept responsibility and consequences.
I'm now pretty sure, after hearing what heat does to a body, this past heat wave accelerated our old big dog's demise. He is definitely damaged from having to endure the 3 days we were without power, here in TX. 115F daytime heat indexes, 80F nights. House got up to 95 inside during 2 of those days. And the planet is supposed to keep getting hotter and hotter. WTAF?
Learning that Vyvanse (and similar stimulants like Adderall) is a risk factor for exertional heat stroke gave me justification for not running outside during the summer heat. Seems like this is pretty important information as the planet warms up especially for younger folks who don't mind pushing their athletics under the actual sunshine.
In almost every state in the US, the highest paid state employee has the title “coach”.
The comment on athletic trainers telling high school students they don't need to go to the doctor made me cringe. I had an athletic trainer at basketball summer camp tell me I didn't need to go to a doctor for a painful wrist after a fall on outstretched hand. 6 months later an x-ray showed I had broken my scaphoid in half and there were several bone chips. The trainer later told my mother that she thought the injury couldn't be that painful because I still wanted to play.
I once had a job delivering and installing fitness equipment (someday I’ll send in a Safety Third about nearly losing my thumb at this job). The usual delivery was two guys taking a 200lb treadmill into a huge American suburban home, easy peasy. Sometimes it was two guys taking two days to move 10,000lb of free weight plates into a high school or college weight room. One day, I took an order of plates to Woodland Hills high school, home of legendary football coach and NFL hitmaker George Novak. He walked right up to the cab of our truck and said “Guys, this is going to be an easy delivery. Just hang out and we’ll do all the work.”
Then a horde of freshmen came streaming out of the athletic building and unloaded our truck in like five minutes.
I’ll end this story with an indefensible take: John Lennon should’ve written a song about freshmen.
Ooooh, Felix Magath mentioned!
Guy was infamous for making his players run up and down a steep artificial hill while carrying medicine balls until they collapsed.
FYI, D.J. Durkin is no longer at Ol Miss. As of last year, he moved up to be a defensive coordinator at Texas A&M.
Liam, bareknuckle punches don't knock you out faster, they just cut your face more. Gloves let you punch the other guy in the face more and harder without breaking your hand
This is why we have Devon now. We need a fact checker for when a host starts talking out their ass.
And you protect your hand from the other person’s teeth. “Boxer’s bite” is a *nasty* injury.
Liam, you are gonna be an amazing dad if you ever choose to. Your a good egg.
Jokes on you, description, all my problems are bc i drink *too much* water
Also: jokes on Alice, i have legitimately listened to WTYP at .75x speed
I listen at 1.5-2.0x
I played full contract football when I was a kid 10 years old - 12 years old. its crazy the stuff they had us doing. running laps in 100 degree Texas heat no water. full contact "Oklahoma drills" in practice (look that up if you don't know what it is). As someone who loves football and knows its a huge part of my culture, its just time we change certain things about it. for example no person should be doing it unless they are a professional and over 18.
Nice seeing a reference to "The Andromeda Strain". Excellent movie - one of the first I remember seeing as a very young child -, and also really readable and interesting book.
The book is fantastic. Some things in it are a little dated from 1969 but it still sucks you in. Every time I hear something on the news about a satellite falling to Earth I mutter something about how clearly nobody in charge read The Andromeda Strain.🤨🦠
UA-cam is recommending me videos from colleges now. I didn't expect this podcast of all things to mess with the algorithm lol.
The gatorade is a blended name gator- for the team and ade- for Dr. Cade the inventor. My parents were friends with him for years. They all knew each other from collecting Studebakers. Dr. Cade has a huge collection that after he passed his kids are going to make a museum with them. My dad had 7 currently.
I don't really buy that given that 'ade' was already a type of beverage.
@@chancekahle2214before the public release of Gatorade lemonade was called "sweetened lemon water beverage"
Look up Robert James Cade, and its first name was Cade's ade. It made everyone vomit at first until they played around with flavoring and the lemon seemed to make it more palatable.
I grew up near South Bend, Indiana, where these cars were assembled. I remember and miss them so much, the early '60s models were so ugly they were strangely beautiful!
@@fauxpinkytoo he has a red golden hawk, a black hawk, a blue daytona, a yellow one, and and orange one don't remember which ones they are. A red ivanti, and a baby blue station wagon. My uncle and him restored them and they are all pretty much daily drivers. I learned to drive in the black hawk. As they said they wanted to make sure I was in a steel car.
This feels like one of those ones I can't bring myself to watch because it'd hit too close to home. In August 2020, a student at a college in Kentucky died during the first day of wrestling training because his coaches refused to let him get a drink of water. He was on ADHD medications that made him dehydrate more quickly. So do my ADHD meds. This kid did everything he was supposed to: he stopped, informed his coaches he was dehydrated and needed water. And they fucking brushed him off. This is the fucking America we live in.
Ice cold take:
Denying water to a training athlete that says they require water in a position of authority over that athlete that results in bodily harm or death to that athlete should result in being charged with negligence, abuse, and second degree murder.
Fuck this “be a man” shit. Being a man isn’t gonna allow you to transcend the limitations of biochemistry. Anyone who denies an athlete water at any time during training or anything should be suffer the consequences of their dumbass decisions.
The US really is one of the worst countries in the world
It takes a lot for one of these episodes to get me to pause listening, but hearing the pain, anger and sadness in Liam's voice at 39:13 has done it. A good man pushed to the limit by crass injustice.
Heat illness deceives one's own mind because the worse off you become, the easier it is to talk yourself or for someone else to talk you into that whole mind over matter bullshit. The first thing to go is your rationality and your awareness about your own body and I've had it happen to me many times even though I was an EMT, a firefighter, and have my degree in biology. None of that knowledge helped once my brain get befuddled by the heat.
I regularly get heat rashes and they are really obvious and blotchy. Since I have this point and shoot thermometer, one day I wondered whether the red rash was actually hotter than the skin right next to it that wasn't red. It sure seemed like it from feeling it. Well, the red skin was 10 degrees hotter than the skin right next to it that wasn't red and that actually really surprised me. I was also inside at the time and the ambient temperature was 83 F in the house, plus it doesn't help that this has gotten worse since I am going through menopause and I get hot flashes that do this even if it's relatively cool where I am. This made me get a window AC so I can turn it on before the shit really starts hitting the fan because if I get super sick from the heat, I continue to have difficulties regulating my temperature and have oddities of breathing and heart rate for at least an entire week. I have just resigned myself to the fact that I simply can't go outside for many months during the summer because doing so risk my life.
Are you perhaps taking antihistamines or beta-blockers? Those can mess up your body's temperature regulation. Same for alcohol, amphetamines, diuretics...
And those "oddities of breathing and heart rate" can be a LOT more serious. High body temperature (~40C = ~104F) can cause intestinal barrier to become more permeable, leading to bacteria escaping into bloodstream and infecting the cardiac muscle.
Had this happen to me twice. Once as a teenager back in the '90s, as a result of a high fewer caused by influenza, ended up in hospital where the symptoms miraculously went away practically in minutes after a preventive shot of penicillin.
For the next 15 days doctors tried to find the cause of my "heart condition" that the EKG showed - couldn't find it.
Second time it was during 2020 when I got "stranded" at my girlfriend's place at the Croatian seaside - wearing winter clothes and boots, with everything in lockdown but the supermarkets. And then I lost my hat at one of those and we strolled some 5 kilometers in the sun to get it back.
Started feeling dizzy at the supermarket, by the time we got back I was running a fever of around +38C with heat rash all over.
And then I did a really stupid thing and took an antihistamine she gave me for that rash. Fever goes up to 40C, I start taking two breaths per one sentence. Or half a sentence.
No issue taking breaths but clearly without oxygen - that's the pump. And I know the symptoms. High body temperature and can't catch a breath unless sitting laid back cause the chest itself feels like a burden.
Luckily, my girlfriend had some antibiotics. 2000mg of amoxicillin and I can breathe normally again as soon as it started working.
Stopped taking antihistamines, they got flushed out in 6-8 hours, continued drinking liquids and cooling the body and the temperature receded.
Had issues staying in the sun for longer than 15 minutes for a month or so though.
Didn't get an EKG that time, couldn't return home for months more due to the whole 2020 thing, but had I gotten one it would probably show sings of myocarditis.
and the best part is, heat-related injuries and death will increase in frequency if nothing changes as global temperatures continue to rise.
Nothing will change, we're fucked. Maybe 10 more years until total chaos.
This one was depressing. I hope the next one is silly to balance it out. Thank you.
I really liked the photography episode, Devon was charming as hell (as usual) and it was so nice to hear about something y'all were excited about
“You have to have some water if you want to be champion.”
I'm pretty sure this is the only episode that has made me openly weep.
I count myself lucky that I've only ever reached the point of heat exhaustion, with plenty of people around to help me to my feet.
What an unbelievably evil system.
I remember when I was in highschool football(2007-2008) they would withhold water as a punishment. You'd be in the 108-110 degree heat running laps, but if you took too long(Like, for example, because you were having heat exhaustion) they wouldn't let you take water breaks. My last day in football I begged for some water because I was feeling extremely sick, got told to get back to running, and literally don't remember anything else until I woke up in the hospital. Got told I was just weak, but they'd "Beat that out of me", so I quit because I didn't want to end up dying.
This was in Oklahoma
When I was a kid, we used to play tackle football in the neighborhood using everything from the grass right in front of people's houses on one side to the grass on the other side and this included the concrete sidewalks and the asphalt street, which is where a lot of the tackling occurred. I was always the fastest runner so I always got the ball but never got tackled. The only time I went down was when the other team had the ball and when I tackled them. I tackled on the asphalt mostly but I tackled a few times on the grass. I don't think I ever ended up tackling on the sidewalk but that was it took up the smallest area in out improvised football field. None of us ever wore a helmet or any kind of other padding. I don't know if any of the males put on a cup but I was born with the cup of my abdomen which is generally quite an effective protection for my ovaries, as they had to sabotage themselves but much later in life due to ovarian cysts. We got all fucked up falling on the asphalt but it's not like we wouldn't have done some other stunt and eventually fallen on the asphalt. I used to think when one skinned knee healed that I should be expecting another one soon because that was about the frequency at which I got them basically until I got my driver's license and, even then, that just meant that I put my bike in the back of my car and got a skinned knee on jumps that were further away from my house. I got injured so much as a kid that the doctor tried to blame my parents for abusing me (probably because I so happen to have been born female) and I'm really glad I could convince them that it was because I did stunts from the time I got home from school until dark every day and all day whenever I didn't have school. Every so often, one falls doing stunts but this results in an above average number of injuries because once you've figured out how to perform one trick without falling, you move on to fall trying to figure out the next trick. My parents weren't perfect or anything but neither of them ever laid a hand on me in abuse.
I will add that none of us hit our heads when we played our insane version of street tackle football but we very well could have died if any of us had happened to have fallen in such a way so as to hit our heads on the edge of the curb. Since there were 3-4 people on each team, there were more touchdowns and fewer tackles when we played. There was always me and the oldest guy who play and who was actually playing football at school who mostly ran the ball. That guy was at least an entire foot taller than I was but I was the only one who could run fast enough to catch him and I just held on until I fell. He was also the only one who even got close to laying a hand on me to try to tackle me when I had the ball because I was short so I could change directions faster than he could and I was a faster runner than he was, but he was usually close enough to encourage my fastest running. lol
Roz says coffee like my grandma did, great lady her. She also pronounced radiator and Oregon differently.
I would call that normal tho, never heard anyone pronounce the two words the same... XD
Yeah my grandma is from Maryland and pronounces cwahffee and wooder like he does. It's funny.
Thank you so much for doing captions again, and thank you so much to Anna for doing them :)
As someone who doesn't have the best auditory processing sometimes, they can be extremely helpful and it's greatly appreciated :)
Football has a deep cultural issue. It always has. In my childhood I felt diminished as a boy because I was too small / slow to be any sort of useful football player...as an adult, almost 50, I'm now grateful that my body was not sacrificed to the grist mill of tackle football in scant hopes of "free college" or "NFL career"
we didn't first ask ourselves what is football...
The 10x110 sprints at 19 seconds apiece interested me. Fun fact, 3300 feet (3 feet to a yard, times 110, times 10) is exactly 5/8 of a mile. So one of those sprints is 5/80ths of a mile, and expecting a person to do that in 19 seconds means they're moving at just shy of 12 miles per hour about 11.8. The current marathon world record is 2:01:09, which is 12.97 miles per hour.
If you ran a marathon at a speed of 11.8 miles per hour you'd get a time of 2:12:44 which would be a fucking incredible time. In fact it would be so incredible that you would QUALIFY TO REPRESENT THE UNITED STATES AT THE 2024 OLYMPICS (2:18 qualifying time).
So, can you sustain Olympic Marathoner Speeds for even 20 seconds? Get on a bicycle, pull out an app that will show your speed on the screen and get up to 12 miles per hour. Most people can do this on a bicycle, but then think about trying to run that speed.
Now think about trying to run that speed TEN TIMES. Now think about trying to run that speed when your body type is approximately "Frigidaire". Just barely over three minutes to run 5/8 of a mile. That's just barely over a six minute mile which is a hell of an accomplishment. There's absolutely people in high school who can do it, but they're all less than half this guy's size.
1:12:50 according to Cracked, gatorade is just salty kool-aid
"cult atmosphere" oh boy somebody tell Alice about Hugh Freeze
lmao Those coaches sound like the drill instructor for the fire academy I was in. The problem was that I found it hilarious when he would yell in my face and, no matter how much I didn't want more push-ups, I just couldn't avoid laughing when he yelled in my face. Then he'd try to crack jokes when he was yelling in other people's faces and I couldn't avoid laughing. In the end of the academy, literally everyone else lost weight except for me and I gained weight but I gained an inch of diameter around each bicep (never measured any other part but because I got the most push-ups of anyone, this made sense).
Now that I've taken 3 years of chemistry and smelled many sorts of chemicals, I realize now that the odd smell that my urine used to take on was of ketones so probably I would have gotten even more ripped had I not pissed out some of my muscle as a liquid due to the extreme training in the hot sun. Come to think of it, this is also when I started getting extra sensitive to the heat but it must have also been around the time I started having issues with my hormones because my periods because even more hell than they had been before.
This is not even the most ripped I got either because, when I was in college, someone dared me to go to yoga and I thought it would be easy so I went. Well, yoga handed my ass to me even though this wasn't all that long after I had gone to fire academy. It also felt really good and, to make it even better, the teacher was hot, so I took up yoga. That actually got me to lose weight even though I had been working out 3 hours a day in the gym ever since fire academy. All I could ever do was gain weight, which was muscle mass, but none of my fat would burn (not that I cared about that either but it was just a fact). For some reason, yoga made me gain muscle as usual but also burn the fat. I lost nearly 100 lbs in a little over a year without changing a damn thing I ate. If anything I had to stop going to the gym for as long because my classes started to get harder so I needed more time for studying (or at least that's what I thought since my grades never went down but I tend to over study at least when it comes to being able to pass the test but my point of learning something is to learn as much as I can about it).
I had no health insurance when I was in fire academy and I had none for more than 10 years. By the time I got insurance, I had an ovarian cyst the size of a grapefruit. By the time they were able to remove it, it was the size of a basketball and I couldn't even breathe with my diaphragm because there was no more room left in my abdomen for that. Sucked and I would have gone to the doctor for my terrible hormonal issues but I didn't have the money and I didn't ask anyone for the money.
me: M Mr Bond
Alice: M Mr Bond
me: damn she just like me for real
As a former resident of the M in DMV (DC, Maryland & Virginia for you not blessed enough to have been born there), I look forward to Liam taking giant crap on Terps football.
This is one of those episodes that really hits because, like all deaths are tragic a lot of the victims in other episodes are guys like me. People who'd rather not die, but are in some sort of line of work where they know the risks going in. This was just some kid playing a game.
It is wild and egregious the same people who cry "concerns" over teens having access to puberty blockers don't even think twice about high school or collegiate sports and the lives they actually ruin.
A few years back there was a study to compare the effects of various sports drinks, and they found that the one that did the best job of replenishing the minerals and salts lost through sweating and exercise was lowfat chocolate milk.
I am just old enough to remember when Gatorade became commercially available. AT the time the pitch was all about performance enhancement, but they realized they could boost sales if they could sell it to people who weren't athletes, so they changed the formula and added more sugar to get something tasty.
As for how it tasted before, I've always thought this line from the movie 2010 captured it well: "If it has to taste like this I don't care if my electrolytes are balanced."
>This is not an actionable threat, Liam does not have the facilities to actually fire someone into the sun.
But with YOUR help, for just $2 a month, we can change that.
3:13 - "It's the year of inventing a guy to get mad at"
that year in the UK is 7500+ days long and counting.
I go to UMD and Jordan’s parents came to a football game this year. I don’t fully remember but they accepted some kind of award or recognition for the foundation. I can’t imagine coming back to the football program after what happened but I’m pretty sure UMD donated money.