GONGSUN ZAN: The Ironfist General | Total War: Three Kingdoms - Warlord Legends
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- One man holds back the barbarian hordes on China’s northern frontier, Gongsun Zan, The Iron First Genera. He rules rules his lands with the same unflinching martial mindset that governs his army - on the fringes of the empire, military precision is the difference between seeing an enemy on the horizon or in your tent with a knife. So its no wonder Gongsun Zan governs with an iron fist.
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In Total War: THREE KINGDOMS, players step into the shoes of one of 12 legendary warlords in this age of glorious conquest. Although the ultimate goal for each leader is the same - unite China under your banner and forge the next great dynasty - the preferred means and methods can differ greatly. Every warlord has their own unique personality, motivations, and experience, while all shape the way they play and the kind of conquest they favor.
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I purposefully presented the fight between Gongzun Zan and Liu Yu BEFORE the war with Yuan Shao. According to the sources, The Battle of Jieqiao between Gongzun Zan and Yuan Shao occurred in 191, with Liu Yu's invasion later in 193. For the sake of narrative I presented it first, as he played no part in these events, and it was jarring to go back to him in the middle of the story of the war with Yuan Shao in the latter half of the video. Though it is possible the beheading of Liu Yu was partially inspired as an act of spite after Gongsun Zan's defeat at the hands of Yuan Shao.
you know what I just realised? You're doing what History Channel used to do back then, using the Total War engine to depict great ancient battles (Decisive Battles was the name I believe). Back then they used Rome's engine which although dated now, looked cool and epic enough then.
I watched 3 minutes and felt that I just had to point this out. Thanks for making me relive a great memory.
You're onto me! It's my hidden agenda to restart the series. Who wouldn't want to tread ancient battlefields and recreate them through games?
In the Romance of the Three Kingdom Games by Koei he does have a son and brother
"Master of cavalry", charges spears headon...
if he was facing, poorly equipped undisciplined, untrained levy spears from the northern barbarian tribes, they would have fled before the horses even made contact. Too bad this was the first time he faced central plains heavy infantry.
@@peiranzhang4283 ^"Stretched thin" is key here, + even well trained soldiers often routed when faced with a solid cavalry charge, + probably had shitty intel, remember they didn't even have battlefield maps back then! But let's not overthink the joke lol
wuhuan and xianbei were considered strong warriors. who gongsun zan faced off alone. one instance is he defeated hundreds of xianbei warriors with only a few of his bodyguards. The Xianbei were said to have better weapons than the xiongnu and faster horses@@peiranzhang4283
This is some seriously quality work. It looks like official promotional material put together by CA.
"Making the holy horses.. even more holy."
* insert Owen Wilson "wow." *
I figured someone would have called out that dad joke long before now. But somehow you're the first.
These are the best faction overviews on UA-cam. They both ground the player in the story and give some practical ideas for how to play. A perfect balance.
I'm looking forward to watching your other awesome content!
The Gongsun family is like the Stark family of China, protecting the north from barbarians for four hundred years
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Ma Teng also shares common ancestry with "barbarians" known as the Qiang people. They're like the proto-Tibetan tribes that live in western China and a portion of them had a hand in helping the Qin kingdom establish itself against the other kingdoms during the Chinese Warring States (which was before the Qin Dynasty and the Han Dynasty). Anyway, Ma Teng is apparently one-quarter Qiang which is most likely why he switched over to the Qiang people's rebellion prior to Dong Zhuo taking control of the emperor.
@@hentaioverwhelming yep，and it just like the Stark family in GOT. You can trace their ancestry back to the "first men", same to the free folks!
I think you meant that the stark family is like gongsun zan....considering that they came first. Kind of like how the battle of red cliffs came before blackwater
@@orvillezhuang7339 Unlike most of the Chinese surnames which all have multiple origins, the compound surnames such as Gongsun, Zhuge, Shangguan typically have only single origin, for Gongsuns their origin is strictly Zhou dynasty nobility, so their ancestry had nothing to do with barbarians.
@@hentaioverwhelming Ma Teng was descendant of Han dynasty general Ma Yuan,if I not remember wrongly there should be no record saying he had Qiang ancestry,even though some of his sons and daughters such as Ma Chao were given birth by his Qiang wife.
rest in peace gongsun zan my favorite general in the history of the three kingdoms
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the best general at pillaging the northern han people and murderer of imperial bloodline
"Better to be feared than loved, feared but NOT hated" thats the issue with gongsun zan. He may have been feared but he was hated too.
“They would fight harder if they knew reinforcements wasn’t coming 🤣🤣🤣
I really appreciate your videos man, it gives a good analysis on the game characters as well as the history on them which I won't lie it's the history I'm most intrigued by. Thanks to you I got a better understanding of these warlords especially when I watched the Three Kingdoms 2010 series.
Actually he had been called 白馬將軍, it literally means General White Horse. Because of that when he fought with Huns, his elite vanguard units would all ride on white horses, thousands of them. These guys were all volunteered to fight(義從), with iron will and steel weapons (like light saber 1800 years ago), good riding skill and archery. They dash to the enemy like a huge white wave on the Northern plain of China. Huns feared him much, and always ran away even before a real battle.
By the way I really hate that almost every game company would like to draw Zhao Yun as a sissy man. Actually he was a quite strong dude. So called 子龍一身都是膽 by Liu Bei, which means this man was formed by bravery and muscle only.
Awesome, as usual ! :D Can't wait for the remaining Warlords !
Just as Cao Cao had to deal with Lu Bu in Central Plains, Yuan Shao had to deal with Gongsun Zan in the North.
He's like stannis a little bit...🤔
Solid comparison.
@@codybonds True, the part at the end sounds like something he would do...
Oof. I had forgotten that death. Take another upvote!
Seems Yuan Shao is not as incompetent as depicted in Show Series n Games related to 3K
Yes indeed, he actually had his crossbowmen carefully hidden behind his seemingly thinly spread frontline to provoke a charge. Later he is able to intercept an enemy messenger carrying a messege calling for renforments and uses that information to lure Zan out of his fortress into an ambush by making his army look like the expected renforments.Also, not to mention he was extremely brave and often fought in the vanguard of his army + charismatic, and excellent orator. However, when he faces off Cao Cao, one of his close advisors diffects to the enemy, and feeds Cao information about Yaun Shao's supply line and where his supplies are located. And the destruction of this supply deport is one of the key factors that causes lose of morale and the eventual defeat of Yuan at the hands of Cao Cao.
Yuan Shao becsme cocky after defeating Gongsoon Zan
@@chaarithadheerasinghe3936 kings and generals did a video about that battle in my opinion yuan shao did some really idiotic mistakes
I watched it, and they fail to mention that one of Shao's advisors was playing double agent. The location of his supply deport was given away by the traitor with the exact number of guards and defences , also Kings & Generals claim Cao Cao intentionally turned his supply wagons toward the charging enemy, as to distract them and to keep em pre-occupied till he reformed his battle lines. Although this did happen, it is not certain that Cao planned for it as explained by the Kings & Generals video .It's more likely that Cao simply ordered a hasty retreat and Yuan Shao's men got utterly distracted by the site of potential loot, inadvertently offering Cao a chance to counter attack. This is important because Yuan Shao loses his two most senior and prominent generals in that early engagement. I am sure the lack of their expertise impacted the army's efficiency, and general competence.
It is a family of Takada clan from Shogun 2
I know that a northern tribesmen dlc would give this faction much more flavour, however I'm personally a bit tired of roaming hordes. Attila may be my favourite total war but four "and a half" of the last six titles of the franchise ( Attila, Rise of the Republic, Warhammer 1, thrones of britannia and the Mortal Empires campaign) already have nomadic-centered factions. I'd rather like CA focusing on Korea, Vietnam or some warlord/tribe which could fill the non settled parts of the south instead.
The way they're doing DLC on this one seems to be "chapters" of the three Kingdoms, which will jump to later points in the same story and shuffle the world map to a while adding relevant factions.
Great great great
Love this series
Great series! btw do you have any plans to make these type of videos to all of the new heroes like liu chong, liu hong, zhang brothers and the eight princess? it would be great if you do!
I go over their major contributions in the mostly accurate history of the yellow turban rebellion. These DLC don't get enough attention to justify full bios yet. But hopefully people will tune back in for 3k content in the future.
Can't all factions field horse archers? I know that at least Liu Bei has a military reform that allows him to recruit them.
Not as good as these, and also not from the start.
That is a Horse Archer, a medium horse skimisher, which is decent I guess. But 2 of Gongsun Zan horse fellow is way better in term of stats and stats efficent.
Ah okay, thanks :)
lol he used the right tactic but at the wrong time. the soldiers would fight harder when they know no reinforcement is coming, if only they think there's no chance of bargaining with the opponent. plus, they should've been told right before the battle rather than ahead of time, to allow the soldiers to stew over it.
Love this series. Is there a lu bu one?
There is not. But you point out that he would be a good choice to do one on.
Cody Bonds yes that would be very cool
Should Liu Yu or Han Sui be FLC or DLC factions?
DLC, FLC should be in the south like shi xie. I understand that the nanman will be dlc but Liu Yao(?) and Shi Xie should be FLC
Flerkan 280 Liu Yao should never be DLC, considering the game is based on the book and how Liu Yao was described in the book and the actions he took its a very bad idea
great video
This is great
Which map is that @ 1:07?
Its from the Records mode video featuring Gongsun Zan released by CA, meaning I have no idea sorry. Looks to be somewhere in the far north west of China by the terrain.
Pretty sure Ma Tengs horse archers are better than Gongsun Zan’s
The in game stats are 1 or 2 points in Gongs favor, so near negligible. The main difference is Ma Teng gets immune to fatigue while GZ gets fear.
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Immune to fatigue is super important in this game.
Especially on Records mode.
But Ma Teng's horse archers can't shoot backwards tho (which must be an oversight)
That sounds like a bug. I'll check and report it if so, GZs can.
Yuan
Pronounced: Yoo-Anne or Yoo-On
Killing me every time you pronounce it.
You're very articulate for a zombie.
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Sorry. Excellent video,for sure. I learned a lot about the history (as written). The pronunciation just bothered me.
2000yrs spoilers XD
A commenter on a previous video pointed out that the in game quests use these historical scenarios. So if you know what happened here it ruins the surprise in game.
SoliD
So thats why chinese lore never took of ... these names man I cant keep track
Its why I try and put the pictures up with them, it's much easier to follow with visuals. And if you watch my whole series it covers all the big names.
He is the favorite Beijinger, 纯北京爷们儿！
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Sounds like he was just... well kinda bad at his job. Sure he pacified the North, but fighting tribes and Barbarians with imperial troops isn't exactly a hugely difficult task. -And while this is a SUPER unfair comparison as Romans are well, Romans, they were able to head fucking DEEP into enemy territory centuries and centuries before Gongsun was around without constantly taking losses in raids. (Yes I know some Roman armies didn't fair too well, but considering who they were invading and how deep, its incredible how little losses they took in France and Germany against the Gauls and Germanic tribes). This really just tells me that Gongsun was just a dictator/fascist who felt like his army was very disciplined and strong, when it reality they were painfully average. (Like seriously, elite soldiers killing commanders and defecting?) On top of that, he was *hardly* a military genius as charging cavalry (light cavalry too from the sounds of it) into infantry is like... Tactics 101 on what not to do. Almost as bad as sending Dothraki on a suicide charge into enemy forces!
i made gonsung zan am emperor in 50 turn
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Very strong “When all you have is a hammer” mentality with this guy
Take her back to the Hammer Cave. Maybe show her the hammer cycle. And then later Captain Hammer is going to give her the hammer. 🔨
Wow, liu bei ditched him. lmao
He tends to do that
My first successful campaign in the game so far. It's weird how I drift to factions who historically held little significance in history.
EDIT: Also, Gongsun Zan has children, and tends to get quite a bit more as the campaign goes on due to already being married
I'm guessing CA changed that since they put out their blogs. Grrr.
He's a military general whose a master of cavalry... But doesn't realize that pikemen stops cav... Then once his "fearsome cavalry" is stopped he runs. Seems legit
Took quite a long time before we got a new faction leader overview
Its harder to find time during summer break, especially as I'm home with a 3 month old.
公孙瓒！！！
that 2000 year old spoiler warning got me
I wanna challenge Cody banks to fight in the octagon. Cody if you don't take this fight you're scared and you will never live it down. Who is willing to put on the fight?
As I suspect you mean Total War I'll let you set the terms. I'm 6'2 with a background in firearms and an instructor in epee fencing. Though my MMA game is weak.
The Iron Fist General : Time for Fisting !!!
Where did you find the info about his army and battle tactics? What kind of infantry did he use?
A combination of KongMing and several Wikipedia pages. There isn't much info on his infantry, the white horse cav is what he seemed to rely on.
The whole Gongsun Zan murdering Liu Yu thing happened after their dispute over Qi Province and plot against Han Fu. Not to mention there was no sign of him and Yuan Shao conspiring against Yuan Shao. Yuan Shao did benefit from Gongsun Zan's worsening PR after killing Liu Yu, but there is no record indicating two conspiring together. It doesn't make sense for Liu He, Liu yu's son, to work with Yuan Shao if that was the case.
If you want to cash in on TW3K hype, that is fine, but at least do your minimal research.
If you're going to make a counter argument. That's fine and I encourage it. But learn how to have a polite discussion if you expect a rebuttal from me.
@@codybonds when you are doing a historical narrative, but it's filled with so many inaccuracies it's hard for me to consider otherwise... esp with the recent popularity on 3K. I don't criticize many videos because for the most part they are accurate and if they omitted some stuff, but helps the content easier to understand, I think they are doing their job.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Thank you for tuning in to watch it.
For people who are wondering why the in-game horse pastures resources are to the north, I recommend that you guys watch Kings and Generals's videos:
"Greco-Chinese War Over the Heavenly Horses": ua-cam.com/video/g6Rphg_lwwM/v-deo.html
and
"The Han-Xiongnu War" : ua-cam.com/video/iQ7jDwF2Z2w/v-deo.html
The gist of it is that China has always had issues with the nomadic tribes of the north and Qin Shihuang smashed them hard enough that they were a non-factor until the first Han Emperor "Gaozu" Liu Bang who completely f-ed up the balance of power and entered into this multi-generational tributary agreement called "heqin" where an imperial princess would be wedded off to the Xiongnu's khan with tributes and whatnot in exchange for "peace". For those of you who are familiar with British history, it would be dangerously similar to danelaw.
Anyway, the Han Emperor Wu (we call him Han Wudi) really hated the Xiongnu because of this and was frustrated that the Han cavalry couldn't keep up with the Xiongnu's horses, so he sought to trade with the Greco-Bactrians for their horses in order to breed and raise a new generation of Han cavalry that could fight the Xiongnu and this is where the "War for the Heavenly Horses" came into the picture. After this war, Han Wudi spent about 20 years breeding these horses so that he could field them en mass against the Xiongnu and sent his generals with this new generation of cavalry to annihilate the Xiongnu. After this, the Xiongnu no longer posed a threat and many of them settled and integrated with the Han with some forming the backbone of the Xiliang cavalry and others forming the backbone of Cao Cao's heavy cavalry.
Of course, once the Sima clan established the Jin Dynasty and ended the Three Kingdoms, they also f-ed up their relations with their local Xiongnu tribes and is its own clusterf-.
If people are wondering why the Xiongnu didn't take walled settlements, it is because they didn't have siege engines and also because Chinese crossbows from the Warring States through the Han Dynasty are stupidly strong. When one-fifth to one-quarter of your army is crossbowmen and an "entry-level" crossbow infantry has to be able to pull at least 75 kilograms of drawstring weight, you really don't want to become a pin-cushion. Those crossbow bolts aren't a joke, they're meant to pierce literally everything and this is also why you don't see siege towers in ancient China anymore. I recommend that you watch the 2002 Chinese movie titled "Hero" (directed by Zhang Yimou and starring Jet Li) for an example of what pre-Han Chinese crossbows were like. The hand-portable crossbows that you see later in China but are more popular in Europe are along the lines of "just enough to kill" whereas the ones from the Warring States through the Han Dynasty were meant to kill literally everything: infantry, chariots, horses, people hiding inside a building, etc.
Sidebar. The movie Hero is so freaking gorgeous.
@@codybonds
It is! It was Zhang Yimou's break into mainstream cinema which led to House of Flying Daggers. I still don't understand how that sort of history went straight into The Great Wall with Matt Damon.
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One other thing I forgot to mention, Zhang Yimou also directed "To Live" which was one of the first movies to criticize Mao's communist party in a roundabout way by following the story of a single family. It is also a really emotional movie that can easily stand the test of time.