Hahahaha imagine Marion everyone was trippin'. Id like to think it'd be more peaceful that way🤙 but then again who knows?.. i appreciate getting to hear your story thanks for sharing !
I know exactly what you mean, my dad was born in 1936, he was in Korea in 1951 (15 years old) very young to be in war, that wasn’t enough for him , my mom said that he was thrilled to be heading to war in Vietnam, my live from 1963 until 1982 was a war zone when I was finally able to remove myself from his presence and I’ve never looked back!!
Honestly, nobody talks about that anymore. You’d say why? Why don’t the consequences of war talked about any more and not only that they glorify war! They say we need to show the world how powerful America is and its reasons to force its power all over the world. If you don’t go along with that your an enemy or a trader to America and if you do go along with it your a true patriot!! It’s sick and pathetic mindset and evil way of life.
Thank you for that comment! I absolutely couldn't recognise him. I thought I did remember most of the inmate stories but he was just totally gone from my memory! But now I see who it is. Mark just used a totally different topic today than the last time. I don't even remember him saying he did time during his last interview.
My dad would beat my mom me and my two brothers. He was an angry alcoholic and drug addict. We were constantly in and out of women and children shelters. Eventually he overdosed on my 14th bday. I got put in a boys home a year later my mom couldn’t take care of us. I got out at 18 and quickly became addicted to cigarettes alcohol hard drugs and was homeless most of the time. Fast forward to now im 33. I’m sober living on Kauai making good money in really good shape and putting the pieces back together talking to psychiatrists and therapists. All Glory to god that I got out of the world I was in. There’s hope for us all
Bless you. Best wishes for your recovery. I'm there myself as you probably guessed. Remember Steven Tyler is right. "Life's a journey, not a destination" I wish you the very best on your journey. Just wanted you to know someone cares even though I don't know you. Shine on! ✨️✨️✨️
@@jaded09 thank you so much for your kind words. What a journey it has been and I’m not done yet. So much more to come. May god shine his light on you and yours ❤️
I went through hell as a kid, but I had no idea it wasn't normal. when you're around a stench long enough you cant smell it anymore. never look back, keep moving forward.
This is one of my favorite interviews…ever. And , yes, some beatings, molestations or rape we just slough off. Sometimes, I believe that some of us were born just to survive. Did it have an effect on my growth? Yes. It made me horrendously protective of the weak from the age of four. It gave me purpose. Save the ones who can’t protect themselves and move on. Joel, you are amazing.
This is very true, I was bullied and abused as a kid and I won't stand for it now . If I ever saw it around me I'd be right in the middle, because no one did it for me!
Your comment hit are & made me think about my life as it is now. I question what i am here for & why do i keep going thru things now maybe i can understand a few things. thank you for this
I did five years at a medium prison in Oklahoma. And I totally agree with him, I’m glad I went to prison myself. I hated every second of it, but it made me a better person. Now I’m a dad of three and living a good life.
@@Harold-os6bc thanks for answering. I am interested in this topic because I promote natural law, property rights. The end of govt as we know it. My theory is that the laws of nature are better for mankind than the laws of govt. So, I don't know your story, but I would like to ask how your life would have been if you grew up pre civil war with some land that could sustain your life. Maybe a town with some shops/trading a few hours away. I don't know if you did time for property crimes or not. In the case of drugs or something, you would've just lived out your own consequences. But in the case of stealing or battery, you may have ended up getting shot. So, from someone that thinks they benefitted from prison, I'd like to know if you would still think that way if you were born in the early 1800s, with land you could live off of, and the freedom to enjoy your life as you saw fit. And if the potential freedom and consequences of that time in history may have also benefitted you.
My dad beat me too and ridiculed me constantly once I became an adult I began to realize how pathetic he was. Once I grew up he knew not to even try to beat me. I would never beat my kids.
He was a step dad ex military pathetic bureaucrat who simply tolerated me and my mom was not much better. Pack your bags going on a guilt trip. Thankfully i was able to be tough concentrate on my own life. My wife was really helpful.
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, dr.porassss. I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
I wish they were readily available in my place. Microdosing was my next plan of care for my husband. He is 59 & has so many mental health issues plus probable CTE & a TBI that left him in a coma 8 days. It's too late now I had to get a TPO as he's 6'6 300+ pound homicidal maniac. He's constantly talking about killing someone. He's violent. Anyone reading this Familiar w/ BPD know if it is common for an obsession with violence.
Joel, Scott here, we spoke quite a bit after your last video, I know it's difficult to remember everyone though. I just wanted to thank you for pt.2, Brother. So good to see you doing well. I had told you when we spoke that I was on from 84' to 95' As far as good time's spent with friend's goes, i had the "Time of my Life!" That decade cost me alot but there ain't nothing like a Grateful Dead show, period ! Jerry up on stage, what color shirts he wearing & that'll set the tone... Such amazing time's, listening to you speak on it, I almost looked over a couple time's as if we were really speaking to me as we made our way up Shakedown.... Can you believe I still have some of my DeaD T's from the 80's, Brother! Still wear them a couple time's a year on special occasions.... I've still got an 89' Alpine Vallet-shirt that's embroidered, I've gotta send you a pic of it, you'll be able to explain it to me, the Egyptian symbolism on it, I think that's what it is, it's beautiful ! I'd get married & buried in this thing, Brother... I'm gonna see if I can find you on here or or somewhere music oriented... Drop me a note & I'll getcha back, can't remember where you call home ? No worries, thanks again, happy for you, Joel, you're obviously good people.. . scott
I wish men spoke of their abuse from women more - my partner was severely abused by his mother sexually and he was drugged its never spoken or conviction forthcoming. Men are also way more forgiving in these situations. Its so wrong.
Yea. We supposed to be tougher and they often smaller than us. Dated a couple, for sure. Learned to laugh at the violent parts. But the psychodrama can take u & ur life for a tumultuous loop. Especially, if ya really love em. We’ll be alright. It’s y’all, the women, ‘we’ worry about. 🤷♂️💪☮️🤍
The part about the man he never met in the next cell playing GD for him kind of tore me up- I'm not a dead fan, but the fact that that man showed him that much kindness because he knew it was important to Joel shows a special level of humanity and caring for your fellow human stuck in the same crap situation.
Is southwest virginia filled with illegals like new england? Im looking to move down somewhere near there but want to be away from blue states and my taxes going to people that dont deserve them
Bless you, I'm from the Muntain's of S.W. Virginia... We're so Damm fortunate to live in this Appalachian state, I love it...Va is for Lovers... As well as good wine, beautiful vineyards & thankfully, alotta Cannabis Coniessseurs... Love this state !
I’d LOVE to tell my stories as a former Sgt for Tx Dept of Criminal Justice in a max penitentiary. The drugs, fights and especially the female officers who fall in love and the great lengths they will go to be with these convicts is astonishing!!
I’m from Marion Illinois, it’s so weird hearing stories from the Federal Prison. John Gotti and his family had a huge house on the Lake of Egypt ( only a few miles from Marion BOP) that’s how most people know about the prison. My aunt retired from there, she was just a receptionist but she still seen a lot of crazy stuff. I love all the content you bring to this platform and man your growing to be a big channel now. Great job and keep the good stuff coming!
I do not agree with Mark on what he said about forgiving parents just because of what they went through. We are all responsible for breaking generational trauma and it is up to us to change. No one else.
@sleepingninjaquiettime you can focus on both and have the same outcome...stagnation or you can make change and be a decent human being to the ones around you regardless of what you've been through. The choice is ours.
Yes, maybe he should have said that we would understand where it comes from, instead of saying that we would forgive them. I agree that we are all responsible for breaking generational trauma, but we also need the tools and skills to do so…
Prison time is such a tragic thought... when I hear his stories I try to imagine how I would survive. Definitely a good physical fitness regimen, play tennis on the yard, play chess and hearts while inside, and read whatever good books are available. All while trying to stay as below radar as possible!
I have a total crush on this guy. Not only is he smart and well spoken, he has spent his life trying. He has put in and still puts in the effort to see things more clearly and learn about himself and others. I just think Joel is one of a kind and I bet he's a lot of fun to be friends with. ❤
Highly articulate and great story teller. Appreciate your transparency and sharing very vulnerable stories. Your self-awareness is incredible. I wish you the very best in life.😊
This has been one of my favorite videos, as many other people have commented the same thing. I could have sat here and listened to the stories all day and night. I especially loved the story talking about where you were when Jerry Garcia died (August 9, 1995), almost 29 years ago. I wish you well!!!
Amazing interview!!! Love your content,would love to see more informative, and learning videos such as these. As a young women being in jail myself,I can relate. Thank you mark.
I could listen to this guy for so long! Glad you brought him back. The end about finding out Garcia died and flooding the place with lsd... worth watching to the end!!!
My father was in vietnam also, He was also extremely beat by a stepfather because his father passed away when he was six months old. But this man abused my father so so bad! He would have never raised a hand to us kids. I know the pattern can't stop.
This guy has definitely seen the light, at the strangest of places when you look at it right! Love Dead stories because yeah they are the soundtrack and catalyst of my whole life! Forever Dead, Forever Grateful!
This is real prison folklore. Real crazy shit. 100% correct on everything. Chad Marks has a YT channel Blood On The Razor Wire TV. He did 17yrs mostly in big sandy but he's been everywhere he's a certified expert in this folklore topic. Not just Silverstein and Cadillac either. Some crazy shit be going down in the FEDS those USPs are the real deal. A place you never want to find yourself. Shoutout Mark and Joel for another great guest follow up- hope joels having a great day today, living his best life now! 💯 Edit: i thought Silverstein went to the ADX i didn't know it was Leavenworth.
Amazing.....I can never fathom having to spend that much time in prison. There are so many things wrong with our prison system today.....I'm glad you're out Joel, and it would seem to me that you are "reformed"......I hope that the rest of your life you use what "Ghetto" taught you......I know that we are either predator or pray, but in the world we live in now I would rather be kind and pay it forward than to be a person who causes so much misery in another persons life. Thank you again Joel for telling your story, and thank you Mark for having him on to tell his story.....I hope it can prevent at least one person from going to "Super Max"!
I hate when I do that, forget to get dressed when I go out for an interview. I never did that before Covid, but working from home changed me. 😂😂 Clothes inhibit me now.
I did LSD several times. It was always fun and amazing until one really bad trip, That bad trip was me taking it to try and run and hide from a bad situation. I won't bore anyone with the extraordinary details of that. It was really bad, but it taught me who I am as a person, and I would not change anything if I could go back in time.
Court that gave him such a harsh sentence is insane and he was so young... but I think it was because he was distributing as a sole source of income and frequently traveling state to state
What I would do to get my hands on some of the acid Joel was peddling back in the day. Or today. 😂 great interview. Joel’s story is really interesting and his perspective is solid.
You are such a character, Joe. Watching first one again. I'm one for taking thins on the chin, but really appreciate a parting shot ~ yours was something else.❤and one for kind fellow who fed you Garcia through the vent.❤ Random acts of kindness can save people's sanity.
Great interview Mark and such a nice gentleman. Speaking of a Lefty i remember as a kid I loved playing baseball and even though i wrote with my right hand I couldn't throw a baseball with my right hand to save my life. It was just more natural to throw with my left hand. My mother tried and tired to get me to throw with my right hand until finally my father said let him throw with whatever hand he feels most comfortable with. I couldn't bat left handed only right handed. I ended up perfecting my craft and became a very good pitcher and ended up spending 2 years in the Dodgers farm team organization as a pitcher. Then after the 2 years i got promoted to the Dodgers roster as a starting pitcher. And then the unthinkable happened I was involved in a serious car accident that almost took off my left arm and that ended my baseball career and my dream of being a MLB pitcher. During all of this time my mother would often say she was glad she didn't force me to throw with my right hand .. LOL
What's up Joel? I have actually read Joel's book. It's a good read and gave me a perspective about Prison and the inmates Families that I would have never had.
A very interesting point Mark made right there. If we understood what our parents experienced in their own childhood we would really be forgiving. But we will never know the full details of their trauma because they never talked about it. It just wasnt the thing back then. Kids were to be seen AND NOT HEARD.
As someone that has been working in the system for the last 20 years I usually don’t enjoy listening to former inmates tell their stories because they usually all sound the same but every once in awhile an exception comes along like this guy. He’s a good storyteller but what I like is he doesn’t glorify the life. He also doesn’t make excuses. The large majority of inmates I have spoken to have all been abused in one way or multiple ways. It’s also true that the system does a number on those that work there physically and mentally . Prison was very different back in the time he was in it and it was extremely serious like he said. It’s still dangerous but the guys back in his days were on a different level than the guys coming in now are. It’s difficult to rehabilitate because the guys inside have to live under the inmate code which is more important than the rules and more important than rehabilitation to them. People don’t understand that unless you have done time or worked there.
While I agree that if we knew the full story about our parents, we would have the empathy to get past a lot of negative emotions, saying this after someone tells their story can be invalidating. It’s better to say something like “that sounds really difficult for a kid to deal with” or “how do you think it affects you in your adulthood” or “I’d like to know more about that” Keep up the good work
I grew up in the 70's also. The teacher slammed a yard stick on my desk for writing with my left hand. I to am ambidextrous as a result. Great interview! I learned so much.
Just stop and think about the logic of putting someone in a supermax prison because they were selling people pieces of paper they put on their tongue that gave them some of the best experiences of their lives at some of the best concerts they'd ever seen.
Introduction and Childhood Overview - 00:00:01 Childhood Beatings and Parental Relationships - 00:00:33 Hypersexualization and Emotional Impact - 00:03:04 Realization and Therapy - 00:04:56 Forgiveness and Understanding Parents - 00:06:29 Early Drinking and Adolescence - 00:07:10 High School and Reckless Behavior - 00:08:23 Touring with Grateful Dead and First Love - 00:08:56 Prison Experiences and Marion Overview - 00:11:52 Impact of Prison and Personal Growth - 00:17:17 Daily Life in Marion and Interactions with Inmates - 00:23:25 Leaving Marion and Reflections - 00:26:50 Starting the Riot and Consequences - 00:28:09 Tommy Silverstein and Marion's History - 00:33:18 Understanding the Prison System - 00:35:38 Facing Violence and Survival in Prison - 00:37:30 Winning the Appeal and Leaving Marion - 00:41:47 Reflections on Prison Experience - 00:45:57 Jerry Garcia's Death and Personal Turning Point - 00:49:08 Grateful Dead and Final Thoughts - 00:52:53
In the mid forties my Dad was forced to quit using his left hand to write. The teacher would smack his hand/knuckles then put him in the corner with a wet towel over head for hours. He developed a severe stutter from it. Really messed him up as a adult. Admire Joel's dedication to himself while being locked up. Just ordered the book.
MARK THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CREATION, I LOVE YOU ALL
JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY❤
Hope you're living your best life my man. Keep up with the high spirits ✌️
Hahahaha imagine Marion everyone was trippin'. Id like to think it'd be more peaceful that way🤙 but then again who knows?.. i appreciate getting to hear your story thanks for sharing !
✌️💚 from the middle of W.V.
yes! Joel B is back!!! Love u brother! WALSTIB!
I grew up abused from a father that fought in Vietnam. The media does not talk about how families are destroyed after the war is over.
Not that I don’t care but what do you expect the media to do ?
Humans been going to war since day 1, it’s not gonna stop or change .
I know exactly what you mean, my dad was born in 1936, he was in Korea in 1951 (15 years old) very young to be in war, that wasn’t enough for him , my mom said that he was thrilled to be heading to war in Vietnam, my live from 1963 until 1982 was a war zone when I was finally able to remove myself from his presence and I’ve never looked back!!
Media doesnt care about you or your family i think you know that already. All they care is to promote to young kids to die for ''their country'' .
Honestly, nobody talks about that anymore. You’d say why? Why don’t the consequences of war talked about any more and not only that they glorify war! They say we need to show the world how powerful America is and its reasons to force its power all over the world. If you don’t go along with that your an enemy or a trader to America and if you do go along with it your a true patriot!! It’s sick and pathetic mindset and evil way of life.
Damn. You are right.
Mr. Clean has returned!! ❤
I loved his stories about following The Dead!
🤣🤣 I was going to say Uncle Festers grandson!
Better looking, taller and in much better shape! 😉
Thank you for that comment!
I absolutely couldn't recognise him.
I thought I did remember most of the inmate stories but he was just totally gone from my memory!
But now I see who it is.
Mark just used a totally different topic today than the last time.
I don't even remember him saying he did time during his last interview.
😂😂😂😂
I ran to the comments to see how many people agreed with me that he looks like Mr. Clean.
My first thought!
This is what healthy recovery of life sounds like acknowledgment, acceptance, and release.
My dad would beat my mom me and my two brothers. He was an angry alcoholic and drug addict. We were constantly in and out of women and children shelters. Eventually he overdosed on my 14th bday. I got put in a boys home a year later my mom couldn’t take care of us. I got out at 18 and quickly became addicted to cigarettes alcohol hard drugs and was homeless most of the time. Fast forward to now im 33. I’m sober living on Kauai making good money in really good shape and putting the pieces back together talking to psychiatrists and therapists. All Glory to god that I got out of the world I was in. There’s hope for us all
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@@jillj303 Kauai. wow how did you get there? glad you have gotten out of this mess❤🩹
Bless you. Best wishes for your recovery. I'm there myself as you probably guessed. Remember Steven Tyler is right. "Life's a journey, not a destination" I wish you the very best on your journey. Just wanted you to know someone cares even though I don't know you.
Shine on! ✨️✨️✨️
@@jaded09 thank you so much for your kind words. What a journey it has been and I’m not done yet. So much more to come. May god shine his light on you and yours ❤️
Good for you thats awesome! I went through a similar situation, so I feel you!!
I went through hell as a kid, but I had no idea it wasn't normal. when you're around a stench long enough you cant smell it anymore. never look back, keep moving forward.
This is one of my favorite interviews…ever. And , yes, some beatings, molestations or rape we just slough off. Sometimes, I believe that some of us were born just to survive. Did it have an effect on my growth? Yes. It made me horrendously protective of the weak from the age of four. It gave me purpose. Save the ones who can’t protect themselves and move on. Joel, you are amazing.
This is very true, I was bullied and abused as a kid and I won't stand for it now . If I ever saw it around me I'd be right in the middle, because no one did it for me!
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Your comment hit are & made me think about my life as it is now. I question what i am here for & why do i keep going thru things now maybe i can understand a few things. thank you for this
I did five years at a medium prison in Oklahoma. And I totally agree with him, I’m glad I went to prison myself. I hated every second of it, but it made me a better person. Now I’m a dad of three and living a good life.
Prayers
Thats awesome I'm so glad
I'd say you may have gotten better anyway, prison or no prison. Everyone is always learning regardless of experiences, for better+worse 😊
@@chadkline4268 your absolutely right, for me though I wouldn’t have learned if I wouldn’t have went to prison.
@@Harold-os6bc thanks for answering. I am interested in this topic because I promote natural law, property rights. The end of govt as we know it. My theory is that the laws of nature are better for mankind than the laws of govt. So, I don't know your story, but I would like to ask how your life would have been if you grew up pre civil war with some land that could sustain your life. Maybe a town with some shops/trading a few hours away.
I don't know if you did time for property crimes or not. In the case of drugs or something, you would've just lived out your own consequences. But in the case of stealing or battery, you may have ended up getting shot.
So, from someone that thinks they benefitted from prison, I'd like to know if you would still think that way if you were born in the early 1800s, with land you could live off of, and the freedom to enjoy your life as you saw fit. And if the potential freedom and consequences of that time in history may have also benefitted you.
Bless this man, and how far he has come on his journey of overcoming all the suffering he endured
So crazy that i just finished watching his first video and came to see what was uploaded this morning and low and behold his update!! Goodmorning Mark
Some days are filled with surprises
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right
What if a 3rd video came out tomorrow back to back .
This dude is solid! And very intelligent. Great to listen to. Hi from Humboldt County Ca. 🤙🏽👣
Intelligent? 😂
@@5049usrluvtyx yes, intelligent. JFC
My dad beat me too and ridiculed me constantly once I became an adult I began to realize how pathetic he was. Once I grew up he knew not to even try to beat me. I would never beat my kids.
Never understood why someone would have a kid just to treat them poorly.
He was a step dad ex military pathetic bureaucrat who simply tolerated me and my mom was not much better. Pack your bags going on a guilt trip. Thankfully i was able to be tough concentrate on my own life. My wife was really helpful.
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, dr.porassss. I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
I wish they were readily available in my place.
Microdosing was my next plan of care for my husband. He is 59 & has so many mental health issues plus probable CTE & a TBI that left him in a coma 8 days. It's too late now I had to get a TPO as he's 6'6 300+ pound homicidal maniac.
He's constantly talking about killing someone.
He's violent. Anyone reading this
Familiar w/ BPD know if it is common for an obsession with violence.
Is he on instagram?
Yes he is dr.porassss.
Joel, Scott here, we spoke quite a bit after your last video, I know it's difficult to remember everyone though. I just wanted to thank you for pt.2, Brother. So good to see you doing well. I had told you when we spoke that I was on from 84' to 95' As far as good time's spent with friend's goes, i had the "Time of my Life!" That decade cost me alot but there ain't nothing like a Grateful Dead show, period ! Jerry up on stage, what color shirts he wearing & that'll set the tone... Such amazing time's, listening to you speak on it, I almost looked over a couple time's as if we were really speaking to me as we made our way up Shakedown.... Can you believe I still have some of my DeaD T's from the 80's, Brother! Still wear them a couple time's a year on special occasions.... I've still got an 89' Alpine Vallet-shirt that's embroidered, I've gotta send you a pic of it, you'll be able to explain it to me, the Egyptian symbolism on it, I think that's what it is, it's beautiful ! I'd get married & buried in this thing, Brother... I'm gonna see if I can find you on here or or somewhere music oriented... Drop me a note & I'll getcha back, can't remember where you call home ? No worries, thanks again, happy for you, Joel, you're obviously good people.. . scott
Live in Marion and know more than a dozen people who work at the prison. He speaks the truth. Very interesting interview.
I agree, interesting interview.
I wish men spoke of their abuse from women more - my partner was severely abused by his mother sexually and he was drugged its never spoken or conviction forthcoming. Men are also way more forgiving in these situations. Its so wrong.
Men are taught not to speak on something like that because it's embarrassing
Disgusting woman. He was a child
Yea. We supposed to be tougher and they often smaller than us. Dated a couple, for sure. Learned to laugh at the violent parts. But the psychodrama can take u & ur life for a tumultuous loop. Especially, if ya really love em. We’ll be alright. It’s y’all, the women, ‘we’ worry about. 🤷♂️💪☮️🤍
😢so sad. I'm sorry
The double standards for female abusers is sickening.
The part about the man he never met in the next cell playing GD for him kind of tore me up- I'm not a dead fan, but the fact that that man showed him that much kindness because he knew it was important to Joel shows a special level of humanity and caring for your fellow human stuck in the same crap situation.
Good morning Mark! Hope everyone has a terrific Saturday! Much love from the mountains of Southwest Virginia ❤
Is southwest virginia filled with illegals like new england? Im looking to move down somewhere near there but want to be away from blue states and my taxes going to people that dont deserve them
Bless you, I'm from the Muntain's of S.W. Virginia... We're so Damm fortunate to live in this Appalachian state, I love it...Va is for Lovers... As well as good wine, beautiful vineyards & thankfully, alotta Cannabis Coniessseurs... Love this state !
I went to college in that area at Virginia Tech! Love that beautiful area
Hi back, Heather!
Pete 🏴 Stockport, England. ❤
this was a great interview. he’s a great storyteller.
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Just ordered the book.
I’d LOVE to tell my stories as a former Sgt for Tx Dept of Criminal Justice in a max penitentiary.
The drugs, fights and especially the female officers who fall in love and the great lengths they will go to be with these convicts is astonishing!!
I could listen to him talk all day!
So funny when he corrected saying f.*" with sh, t😂😂
I’m from Marion Illinois, it’s so weird hearing stories from the Federal Prison. John Gotti and his family had a huge house on the Lake of Egypt ( only a few miles from Marion BOP) that’s how most people know about the prison. My aunt retired from there, she was just a receptionist but she still seen a lot of crazy stuff.
I love all the content you bring to this platform and man your growing to be a big channel now. Great job and keep the good stuff coming!
This is a cool guy with an awesome story. Appreciate your transparency.
Smart, articulate, engaging - do something productive with the rest of your days.
Well done, Mark. My favourite channel by far.
Pete 🏴 Stockport, England.
Great interview. I hope Joe's honesty about his abuse will help others get honest about theirs.
I do not agree with Mark on what he said about forgiving parents just because of what they went through. We are all responsible for breaking generational trauma and it is up to us to change. No one else.
You wouldn’t know what to do in a depression and war situation like it was back then. Don’t even try and lie to me, because I won’t be buying it.
You can choose to be practical and focus on the lessons, or you can be emotionally driven about trauma. It's up to you.
@@airadaimagery692 you sound like a trauma boomer. Keep lying to yourself. How has that worked out for you?
@sleepingninjaquiettime you can focus on both and have the same outcome...stagnation or you can make change and be a decent human being to the ones around you regardless of what you've been through. The choice is ours.
Yes, maybe he should have said that we would understand where it comes from, instead of saying that we would forgive them. I agree that we are all responsible for breaking generational trauma, but we also need the tools and skills to do so…
Man he loved high school. High school was hell for me.
It’s crazy that I’ve lived in Williamson County my whole life and never knew about this prison but you learn something new everyday!
Joel, I heard your first story and was enthralled to say the least. I could listen to you all day and I mean it. I love you man. ❤❤❤
Prison time is such a tragic thought... when I hear his stories I try to imagine how I would survive. Definitely a good physical fitness regimen, play tennis on the yard, play chess and hearts while inside, and read whatever good books are available. All while trying to stay as below radar as possible!
Joel we need your hardcover book back in stock!!!
Not knowing who to trust, I think, is a common denominator in childhood trauma.
12 Step mentality, humility & spirituality are the key.
I have a total crush on this guy. Not only is he smart and well spoken, he has spent his life trying. He has put in and still puts in the effort to see things more clearly and learn about himself and others. I just think Joel is one of a kind and I bet he's a lot of fun to be friends with. ❤
that's so nice to hear - trying is really important
Thank you for the interview Mr. Blaeser and SWU
Heck yeah. Great interview. This guy has had a hellava ride. I wish him well
Even better than the first. Thank you both !! 👏🏼
Be well Joel. Thanks for the follow up Mark.
"I didn't know who to trust" The grounding of life trauma. Great interview.
Such a fascinating human. He has a beautiful rhythmic voice that has such joy in it in spite of what he's been through
Thanks for having Joel on again, Mark. I could listen his stories all day. I might have to read his book now.
Highly articulate and great story teller. Appreciate your transparency and sharing very vulnerable stories. Your self-awareness is incredible. I wish you the very best in life.😊
Gonna watch the first interview then catch up with this, can't wait. Thanks to you both.
This has been one of my favorite videos, as many other people have commented the same thing. I could have sat here and listened to the stories all day and night. I especially loved the story talking about where you were when Jerry Garcia died (August 9, 1995), almost 29 years ago. I wish you well!!!
Didn't Jerry die of an overdose?
So true about understanding the way your parent were bright up to understand them.
What a great storyteller. Thanks
What a healthy recovery this man has made
Wild that Mr. Clean spent time in USP Marion
I 100% was looking for this comment.
If there were 57 follow up interviews with Joel, I would happily watch every one
Fascinating interview. This guy has gone through so much, and I hope to read his book.
All do respect for not snitching. 👍
This is a good thing because it illustrates garden variety recovery. It's good to finally face oneself and get well.
Amazing interview!!! Love your content,would love to see more informative, and learning videos such as these. As a young women being in jail myself,I can relate. Thank you mark.
Love Joel’s stories. I could listen to him all day. Super interesting dude. Thanks Joel for the stories!
Clicked on the video & was looking at Mr. Clean!
I could listen to this guy for so long! Glad you brought him back. The end about finding out Garcia died and flooding the place with lsd... worth watching to the end!!!
My father was in vietnam also, He was also extremely beat by a stepfather because his father passed away when he was six months old. But this man abused my father so so bad! He would have never raised a hand to us kids. I know the pattern can't stop.
He’s super likeable / relatable.. thx for sharing some of your story
Kinda looks like Johnny Sins’s dad. Or his older brother!
Anytime an interview goes past 30 minutes, you know its a good one.
This guy has definitely seen the light, at the strangest of places when you look at it right! Love Dead stories because yeah they are the soundtrack and catalyst of my whole life! Forever Dead, Forever Grateful!
This is real prison folklore. Real crazy shit. 100% correct on everything. Chad Marks has a YT channel Blood On The Razor Wire TV. He did 17yrs mostly in big sandy but he's been everywhere he's a certified expert in this folklore topic. Not just Silverstein and Cadillac either. Some crazy shit be going down in the FEDS those USPs are the real deal. A place you never want to find yourself. Shoutout Mark and Joel for another great guest follow up- hope joels having a great day today, living his best life now! 💯
Edit: i thought Silverstein went to the ADX i didn't know it was Leavenworth.
Oh, yes, childhood is VERY important. Thank you for sharing
Keep on rockin' in the free world Joel. Great interview.
Wishing this guy all the best. True triumph of the human spirit.
Amazing.....I can never fathom having to spend that much time in prison. There are so many things wrong with our prison system today.....I'm glad you're out Joel, and it would seem to me that you are "reformed"......I hope that the rest of your life you use what "Ghetto" taught you......I know that we are either predator or pray, but in the world we live in now I would rather be kind and pay it forward than to be a person who causes so much misery in another persons life. Thank you again Joel for telling your story, and thank you Mark for having him on to tell his story.....I hope it can prevent at least one person from going to "Super Max"!
I hate when I do that, forget to get dressed when I go out for an interview. I never did that before Covid, but working from home changed me. 😂😂
Clothes inhibit me now.
I did LSD several times. It was always fun and amazing until one really bad trip, That bad trip was me taking it to try and run and hide from a bad situation. I won't bore anyone with the extraordinary details of that. It was really bad, but it taught me who I am as a person, and I would not change anything if I could go back in time.
I bet his house is spotless.
Court that gave him such a harsh sentence is insane and he was so young... but I think it was because he was distributing as a sole source of income and frequently traveling state to state
What I would do to get my hands on some of the acid Joel was peddling back in the day. Or today. 😂 great interview. Joel’s story is really interesting and his perspective is solid.
This was a fascinating 53min... thank you 💕 listening to "Ripple" now... if you know you know ☺
The thumbnail is beautiful photography
Mark has been a photographer for a long time now that is his profession and skill. Well, add interviewer to the skill list too.
How apt that Mr Clean is INDEED clean & sober
He seems healthy and reformed. Also, the poster child and spitting image of Agent 47 / Hitman
You are such a character, Joe. Watching first one again. I'm one for taking thins on the chin, but really appreciate a parting shot ~ yours was something else.❤and one for kind fellow who fed you Garcia through the vent.❤ Random acts of kindness can save people's sanity.
Truly fascinating. Thanks for this! ❤
2:22 love the message the interviewer gave here.
You’re a good dude Joel. I miss Jerry daily. Glad I saw a bunch of shows.
I mean, idk, but, that is a sharp lookin dude
Much appreciate the work done by all here.
The ‘work’. The real work. 🤙☮️
Great interview Mark and such a nice gentleman. Speaking of a Lefty i remember as a kid I loved playing baseball and even though i wrote with my right hand I couldn't throw a baseball with my right hand to save my life. It was just more natural to throw with my left hand. My mother tried and tired to get me to throw with my right hand until finally my father said let him throw with whatever hand he feels most comfortable with. I couldn't bat left handed only right handed. I ended up perfecting my craft and became a very good pitcher and ended up spending 2 years in the Dodgers farm team organization as a pitcher. Then after the 2 years i got promoted to the Dodgers roster as a starting pitcher. And then the unthinkable happened I was involved in a serious car accident that almost took off my left arm and that ended my baseball career and my dream of being a MLB pitcher. During all of this time my mother would often say she was glad she didn't force me to throw with my right hand .. LOL
Interesting interview. Thank you for sharing this video with us. 👍🇨🇦😊
Just because you forgive your parents doesn’t mean you can let them continue to tear you down. Even if you know the full story.
He looks like the real life Mr. Clean.
THIS DUDE HAS SERIOUS POWERS OF RECALL
Mark you’re a legend. I’m your biggest fan hope to meet you one day
I was watching Joel's previous video again at work on friday and now this. Thanks Joel!
What's up Joel? I have actually read Joel's book. It's a good read and gave me a perspective about Prison and the inmates Families that I would have never had.
I’m a lefty too. I had to bat righty to accommodate the pitcher. Weird.
A very interesting point Mark made right there. If we understood what our parents experienced in their own childhood we would really be forgiving. But we will never know the full details of their trauma because they never talked about it. It just wasnt the thing back then. Kids were to be seen AND NOT HEARD.
Please bring him back!!!!
Thank you for your information love you ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Glad you got this guy back on he's the coolest guy I think you had on
As someone that has been working in the system for the last 20 years I usually don’t enjoy listening to former inmates tell their stories because they usually all sound the same but every once in awhile an exception comes along like this guy. He’s a good storyteller but what I like is he doesn’t glorify the life. He also doesn’t make excuses. The large majority of inmates I have spoken to have all been abused in one way or multiple ways. It’s also true that the system does a number on those that work there physically and mentally . Prison was very different back in the time he was in it and it was extremely serious like he said. It’s still dangerous but the guys back in his days were on a different level than the guys coming in now are. It’s difficult to rehabilitate because the guys inside have to live under the inmate code which is more important than the rules and more important than rehabilitation to them. People don’t understand that unless you have done time or worked there.
Intro comes up and I instantly think: I didn’t know Mr. Clean did hard time!
While I agree that if we knew the full story about our parents, we would have the empathy to get past a lot of negative emotions, saying this after someone tells their story can be invalidating. It’s better to say something like “that sounds really difficult for a kid to deal with” or “how do you think it affects you in your adulthood” or “I’d like to know more about that” Keep up the good work
I grew up in the 70's also. The teacher slammed a yard stick on my desk for writing with my left hand. I to am ambidextrous as a result. Great interview! I learned so much.
The same exact thing happened to me!!! She would take the pencil out of my left hand and put it in my right one. So wrong!!
I got lucky and they left me alone. I'm sorry that happened to you.
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Just stop and think about the logic of putting someone in a supermax prison because they were selling people pieces of paper they put on their tongue that gave them some of the best experiences of their lives at some of the best concerts they'd ever seen.
Weird take
Bc its illegal
@@somemorewords9714 it's a piece of paper you put on your tongue
@@jleezy259 you obviously haven't put a piece of paper on your tongue then
@@HelpFindTheOthers which have illegal chemicals that alter your state of mind
Introduction and Childhood Overview - 00:00:01
Childhood Beatings and Parental Relationships - 00:00:33
Hypersexualization and Emotional Impact - 00:03:04
Realization and Therapy - 00:04:56
Forgiveness and Understanding Parents - 00:06:29
Early Drinking and Adolescence - 00:07:10
High School and Reckless Behavior - 00:08:23
Touring with Grateful Dead and First Love - 00:08:56
Prison Experiences and Marion Overview - 00:11:52
Impact of Prison and Personal Growth - 00:17:17
Daily Life in Marion and Interactions with Inmates - 00:23:25
Leaving Marion and Reflections - 00:26:50
Starting the Riot and Consequences - 00:28:09
Tommy Silverstein and Marion's History - 00:33:18
Understanding the Prison System - 00:35:38
Facing Violence and Survival in Prison - 00:37:30
Winning the Appeal and Leaving Marion - 00:41:47
Reflections on Prison Experience - 00:45:57
Jerry Garcia's Death and Personal Turning Point - 00:49:08
Grateful Dead and Final Thoughts - 00:52:53
In the mid forties my Dad was forced to quit using his left hand to write. The teacher would smack his hand/knuckles then put him in the corner with a wet towel over head for hours. He developed a severe stutter from it. Really messed him up as a adult.
Admire Joel's dedication to himself while being locked up. Just ordered the book.