Can women be pastors? We tackle a hearty, emotional, and controversial topic on this episode of the Reformed View. Get my teaching notes here: amzn.to/36O1QNF
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Pretty good example of how to present Biblical truth, however uncomfortable some might find it. The comments seem to show how emotionally invested some are concerning this issue.
Great work Dr. Everhard!! Stay true to the teachings of the word as you always do; inspired words of the Holy Spirit speaking through the apostles and prophets. An unchanging God and His loving word written for our salvation. ...for whoever believes in Him (Christ) should not parish, but have eternal life. I see a lot of theoretical nonsense and conjecture in this thread, none of which is backed by solid research - simply opinion. Your presenting sound principled exegetical theological insight, a man who’s life has been dedicated to the study of theology and the Lord and has the academia credentials to support his argument. Doctor, your theology is built on a rock and will withstand the winds and storms of today’s highly volatile opinionated worldview culture . A culture that has built and continues to build their moral house on moving sands. Blessings brother!
Well argued. Regarding Gal 3:28 ... the best debunker is: "Of course there is still Jew and Gentile ... Paul specifies each in contrast to the other very elaborately in Rom 9-11. So, clearly, Gal 3:28 is to be interpreted as being in regard to justification. Regarding women in ordained pastoral ministry, you covered it in your argument from history ... good job. But, you could have added that the true fountain of feminization of ordination in mainline denominations is the feminist movement. Charting the growth of feminism on a timeline shows women's ordination shadowing that line with just a few years time lag. In this case, correlation is also causation. Women's ordination is not based on a new discovery in the Bible, but a new social movement in society. Keep up the good work.
When our rector (Episcopalian) made the case for his wife to be ordained at the men's Bible study, he pointed us all to the Galatians passage saying there is no more male nor female in Christ. He said this at the men's Bible study...
6 minutes in and I already 👍🏻 description vs prescription needs to be taught more I don’t understand why I was a Christian for years before anyone laid this out for me
According to the Bible, women are not to preach in church, teach men, be in charge over men, etc. This has nothing to do with women’s abilities or intelligence. Women do their preaching and teaching to their children! I have no desire to preach to my congregation, having to come up with something to say every week. The headship order: God, Christ, man, woman. That does not allow for women to usurp authority over men. It is just God’s word. It is the man’s natural role to be the leader, protector, provider.
@The Pilgrim wow... If Jesus were here... The first evangelists were WOMEN! Romans 16 is full of women preachers and pastors including one apostle. And yes, that's the overwhelming concensus on Junia, being a female.
@@moisesg.v.1575Since Paul preached against women in charge and preaching, it would seem that somewhere along the line, things were getting out of hand.
@The Pilgrim the majority of scholars, historians and church concensus is that Juna was a female. The Greek says they were well known among the apostles, meaning, they had a very good testimony as part of the apostles at that time. Even Paul says they came to faith before him which also became an apostle, hence making that connection not many realise. The Bible uses the masculine all the time to express an example for both sexes. Notice it doesn't say ONLY men, or "He but NOT she". Your argument is an argument of silence. Yet Romans 16 has a large list of women in the ministry, pastors, deacons, apostle, evangelists, church planters... I agree with Paul's view on women.
@I Sanchez Yes, women do have power and it is used to raise her children, and to teach and encourage other women, but not to usurp her husband’s or any other man’s authority.
Another excellent summation of doctrine. I agree that this can be a slippery slope. In my Pentecostal world, they turn to "experience." And they point to experience in the New Testament and the church age as demonstrating that God can and does use women in all sorts of ways such as prophecy and the like. However, those same arguments can be used to gain acceptance of same sex marriage even among leadership. Glad to say that my pastor agrees with your arguments. I asked him how he gets by and he said that so far his leaders have similar beliefs so it is not 100% accepted in the Pentecostal world even among the AG. God bless you and your labors for Him.
Maybe someone wrote on this point. If so, I apologize for being redundant. To me, Acts 1 reinforces Jesus' descriptive selection of male disciples/apostles. When the apostles were to select a replacement for Judas, Peter said they should choose (i) a MAN (emphasis, not yelling) who (ii) was with Jesus from his baptism through his resurrection.
Thanks for this video, very helpful. You mentioned that women shouldn't be allowed the role of teaching elder. Question - what about ruling elder? Or are they the same in this regard? Thanks in advance!
I’m a member of an ARP church and we don’t distinguish between a ruling elder or teaching elder in terms of having authority over the church. Women are not ordained to these roles.
When we consider the way Paul writes, do you think there's a particular reason he writes the way he does? Do you feel like he is expressing himself in a parable/puzzle style to see who is ultimately going to care enough about particular meanings to dig deep? Why is he so hard to read in particular? Edit: Even Peter thought Paul's words were hard to understand or accept, and we know he had access to the holy spirit as well. How did Peter know for sure that he was qualified to speak for God, if even Peter himself struggled??
Paul was I think one of the greatest minds the world has ever seen I agree with peter you better have your mind ready when reading any scripture especially Paul
Great video. I have two questions I am curious to know about. 1. Do certain seminaries/ Bible colleges not enrol women into their courses on preaching/ teaching? 2. What would be the consequences of allowing women into these roles? This question comes from the point of view that there seems to be so many churches that do not allow women into these roles, yet their church is in no way “healthy”. My own background is Christian Brethren, with similar positions on womens roles that you have expressed in this video. Thank you.
1. Westminster Theological Seminary in Pennsylvania does not allow women to enroll in the M.DIV "Pastoral" track. Note: Women CAN however enroll in the M.DIV "General" track.
Can you talk about PCA churches that practice women teaching men in mixed groups of male and female adults in Sunday School, home groups, or small groups under and by the approval of the session? It is classified on authoritative (by TEs) vs. Unauthortitave Teaching (by lay male and female teachers).
Informative. Could he have been talking about Biblical times and not this day and time. What if your daughter or girl cousins wanted to be a pastor. What would you tell them.
I hold the Reformed/Baptist position as well. I’m not really sure how to respond to my Methodist/Pentecostal Mother and Sister who are going through seminary with hopes to be pastors.
Hello, I just wanted to let you know something I have come across lately. Now I am no KJVO but I have come across something that is leading me to believe that Acts 8:37 belongs in the Bible. So an early Church father named Irenaeus wrote a book called “Against Heresies” and this book was written around 180 AD, and within this book Irenaeus quotes acts 8:37 in this quote “that this was Jesus, and that scripture was fulfilled in him; as did also the eunuch himself: and, immediately requesting to be baptized, he said “I believe Jesus Christ to be the Son of God.” (Against Heresies, 3.12.8) This is important because this book predates some of our earliest manuscripts and it quite evident that whatever New Testament Irenaeus was looking at contained acts 8:37.
My church doesn’t allow women to be teaching elders or pastors, and for the most part they are quite conservative. But lately they have begun incorporating the presence of women into church services, for example, having a man and a women open service with a prayer, or having a women give closing announcements, or having the wife of an elder share some quick thoughts after a sermon. So while the women are not preaching or leading, they are participating in the congregational service, any thoughts? What should I make of this biblically?
There are a LOT of Reformed folks (myself included) who are egalitarian in their interpretation of these texts. The Evangelical Presbyterian Church gives freedom to churches and presbyteries to determine what stance they will take and the ECO Presbyterians take the egalitarian stance for their whole denomination. Both are solid Reformed, evangelical denominations.
The EPC is mostly reformed, but not strongly so. Some of their churches are Presbyterian in name only. To call ECO strongly Reformed is just not reality.
Great video great points when I always believe that when I say a church opens that up for law women to be pastors, that’s the destruction of the church Avengement know that leads into all kinds of chaos now in the church. I actually believe that women have more important role, but I guess that’s my point of view of matter fact I’m kind of concerned now because my pastor and reformed Baptist loves. God loves God‘s word, but he still get a position to be a pastor of pastors and of course always concerned about what’s coming love your video. Love them all next time.
Christians can differ on theological issues without risking loss of salvation. We are not saved by our doctrinal precision but by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Love you too!
@@erc9468 it's called wrong interpretation. What you may call "clear testimony" can very well be "clear misinterpretation of Scripture". That's why you have 40,000 different denominations and counting.
@@erc9468 Ok. As @moises G.V. is pointing out, my interpretation is different than yours. It's ironic that you would point that out because it seems you're disagreeing with scripture. I find it very hard to believe that you are 100% consistent with that question in your life. Did youtube exist back then? Look, I'm not saying that I'm even close to being close to alignment with Scripture. I'm very much a sinner. I also find it very hard to believe that Paul was writing whole scripture in these passages. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. I love you.
@@reecesimmons3925 I'm probably wrong about something. If I am, I'd like to know what it is. But it seems to me that the Bible is really, really clear here. It is hard for me to imagine a possible way that the Bible could be more clear than it is. It says exactly who should and shouldn't be church leaders. Positively. Clearly. Unmistakably.
Realistically, some roles aren’t appropriate for certain genders. For example, men can be midwives-but they aren’t going to be able to truly convey the pain of pregnancy, childbirth, or breastfeeding. (Food babies don’t count as experience either 😂) Not all jobs are for everyone, and some people need to learn to be okay with it.
I love how individuals make up their own conclusions and consider it to be fact. Using cultural norms as our hermeneutic for interpreting scripture is attempting to make the Bible say what we want it to say, woe to those who walk this line. Colossians 2:8, "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ."
@@kyledanner436 unfortunately some see facts as people's own conclusions because those facts contradict their theology. To correctly interpret the Bible we must understand the original context and mindset of the original writers. That means a Middle Eastern Jewish perspective. Context is everything. Shalom ❤️ 🤗
I agree with all but one point when Paul says older women are to teach younger women he is not talking about bible study or theology he is talking about how to be a godly woman read that passage again and see the examples he gives
You believe men should teach women’s Bible study? Ok what about study’s that are about motherhood and sexuality in a small group? You want to be the only man in the room when they’re discussing how to be a wife and mother? I don’t think so.
Good teaching on the subject, complementarianism definitely seems to be what the Bible pushes. Appreciate your efforts to maintain truthfulness to the word despite public backlash. God bless.
Not an authoritative issue by as Paul points out, a creation issue. What we do in the church is never determined by the culture but by biblical institution. That doesn’t give men rule or authority over women but the high responsibility of leading and shepherding the church. If one wishes to see a great example of a woman’s role, the Proverbs 31 woman is one. She manages her home well. Her husband who is an elder of the city can easily leave that too her. She’s actually quite prosperous. She seeks to bring honor and dignity to her family. She sees to it they’re cared for. When her husband comes home he doesn’t demand but lives in the home she’s created. And he, the children, the servants call her blessed. I will confess that men have abused their role and even become emasculated in many ways. They’ve become mr. moms . Sadly men have tried to assume the role of men and men the role of women. That goes against creation.
Unfortunately the reformed view is wrong. Context is everything. Women CAN and should be ANYTHING God has called them to be, including pastors like in Romans 16. The context here is not preaching but women talking while a teacher is sharing God's word. It's NOT talking about a woman not being able to preach. In fact Romans 16 clearly has a list of female preachers, evangelists and one apostle called Junia. Paul wasn't contradicting himself. It's a pure matter of context. Women must be subject to their own father if single, or husband if married, no other males. Unfortunately again, this has been misinterpreted by those who call themselves reformed. This teaching of Paul comes directly from the Torah. But that's something reformed theology never connects with.
If you are a Gentile you are out of covenant with God. If you have been grafted in by faith then you are no longer a Gentile. As Paul says "you were once". You can't be grafted into Israel and not be an Israelite. From Exodus God told Moses any Gentile that wants to worship Him must be regarded as a native born Israelite. God's kingdom has a name, Israel.
But, that real question are you a Jewish? Then I thought,( The Green Commission) was to tell the gospel all the world. And teach the God love he has for everyone in the world! Sometimes we get this thing that we all are Island. And it seems that some people in some of this secular world think they're special than other people but God views no color no shape no form no nationality he made man in his own image. And the gospel is free to all they believe. But we forgetting that the Jews was a male dominant society. Are we leaving in the male dominant society?
I rather be a gentile than a Jew then hold down to the Old law with this yoke up on my neck or over 300 laws that doesn't make me righteous before God.
But I believe in the old law , the commandments and the teachings in Old testament to make me better understand the coming of Christ and what God had to do to make us recognize the sinful nature in us.
@@donmahoney8023 that's an ignorant statement. If someone claims, “I know God,” but doesn’t obey God’s commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth. 1 John 2.4 If you were a Gentile but now grafted in, you are bound to God's covenant like anyone else. God's kingdom has a law.
1 Cor.14:35 Declares that it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church... And so Paul is referring to the Old Testament standard. But we live in a New Covenant Gal.3:26-28 where we are counted as equals. Col.3:11 equals ethnicities, and an ethnic group consist of women. Rom.5:18,19 Declares we are righteous through Jesus Christ...He is the fullfillment of the law, also for women. So women are qualified in the church, by God's grace, to share the Word of God...as i see it. A logical explanation for Paul to make his stance against women speaking in the Church can be that they were illitterate, and could not read, and thus were not allowed to read in the meetings of a synagogue... But nowadays, they sure can ! With kind regards. Martin Libom
No ! The church started at pentecost. Read Act’s ..when Jesus Christ died on the cross the Law pass away and Grace came,no woman pastor or bishop or overseer no Deacon or Elder 😮….no woman leadership.in old testament or New Testament over mens
First off, she isn't bringing anyone to Christ. You are pushing a man centered doctrine, where salvation is completely up to God. Preaching the gospel is so people can hear, but the work of "winning" souls is not something we are doing, but God. The conversation has to do with gender roles as God had intended. If we live differently than how we were designed, that would be sin.
Joyce Meyer is a false teacher. Secondly, no child of God is capable of bringing anyone to Christ. As Christians, we are simply commissioned to bring the word of God to others. The Lord Himself has already determined who will come to Him and who will not, long before Joyce Meyer was even born. I ask that you pray on the question you asked, read the scriptures with increased determination, and God will reveal the truth to you in time.
Our female PCUSA associate pastor in a large midwestern congregation was disastrous. So seldom seen and so uninvolved that she was practically a non-entity... More an occasional, shallow, feel-good token than a pastor, and certainly not a Bible preacher. A...painful experience. Never again. This was a fair presentation and necessary. It's good to take on tough subjects, you should be commended for it
The Bible doesn't give any examples of female pastors, but does not explicitly forbids it, or in any other ministries... So all we have is guess-work about our women in the pulpit... "Women shall be silent in the church", is one verse, and you cannot build a doctrine on one verse..EG baptizing for the dead...
Anybody teaching female pastors are okay can not be trusted when they reject such a clear teaching of scripture. Anothor intresting aspect of Feminism in the church is the rejection of headcovering. Just like the passages saying females cannot be ministers are not cultural 1 Corinthians 11:3-16 does not seem to be cultural like modern people like the assert and the arguments againist headcovering like the cultural argument has no biblical support and the other arguments are pretty lame. But all these modern churches in accommodating feminism have rejected a historic biblical Christian practice.
Mary Magdalene was the first person Jesus told to go and tell the good news about the resurrection. Paul said “I” do not allow…. He did not say it was a command from the Lord. I think we should view this issue through a cultural context, as we do other issues like slavery, head coverings and baptizing for the dead.
@@sdb6757 Sadly that is true. I follow Jesus. Not man. And this is a prime example of a man made rule. If God can speak through a burning bush, he can certainly speak through a woman.
@@moisesg.v.1575 Are you referring to Phoebe, in Romans 16:1? I see her being a servant for the church, but not as being a pastor/elder. And we should consider other biblical texts that provide us with qualifications of a pastor/elder. In my own personal experience (even being a woman) I’ve yet to find one woman today rightly divide the Word as an elder/pastor. It’s usually “feel-good”, pseudo-motivational, relationship “messages”. That doesn’t mean women aren’t valuable in spreading the gospel in other ways.
@@moisesg.v.1575 That's a laughable position. How does two unclear verses with arguable interpretation counteract the entire witness of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation?
Envy/jealousy, which would elevate the self with God like “eloquence”, is fundamental in “The Fall”. The female would “have everything the male has”. And there it is. Sin,sin, sin. I can’t bear to see it. With love.
Paul also told a slave to go back to his owner! I am sure Paul would be horrified if he knew some people would take his mail as the inerrant word of God.
Unfortunately the reformed view on this matter is wrong. Context is everything. Women CAN and should be ANYTHING God has called them to be, including pastors like in Romans 16. The context here is not preaching but women talking while a teacher is sharing God's word. It's NOT talking about a woman not being able to preach. In fact Romans 16 clearly has a list of female preachers, evangelists and one apostle called Junia (the attacks on them are poor and linguistically easily debunked). Paul wasn't contradicting himself. It's a pure matter of context. Women must be subject to their own father if single, or husband if married, no other males. Unfortunately again, this has been misinterpreted by those who call themselves reformed. This teaching of Paul comes directly from the Torah. But that's something reformed theology never connects with.
@@MatthewEverhard after finished watching, I reinforce my comments for the same reasons. 😊 When Paul talks about a man, he is putting the masculine as the example, not saying a woman cannot do the same thing given she fulfills exactly the same things, being of good reputation, woman subject to her husband, good testimony... Etc. So that text does not exclude females, it only basically uses the male as the example of the matter. In Jewish thought this was very common. In fact the very title used for Timothy "worker" being a pastor, is used for most women working in Paul's ministry. Some of them being prophetesses and evangelists. Imagine being a prophet of God but not allowed to speak... 😅 There's no contradiction in Paul's letters, only misinterpretation. Not a salvation issue either 😉 🙏 I have met several women pastors and apostles in my life, and I have seen the good fruit of their labour and the anointing of the Spirit upon their lives. That confirms what I see in Scripture too.
LCMS Lutheran pastor here. Courageous video. Faithful to the text of the sacred Scriptures and our Lord. God bless you, my brother!
As soon as I mouse-ed over the thumbnail and saw your epic beard in the video preview I knew you were ✝Truly ｒｅｆｏｒｍｅｄ✝. I suspect the beard grants you +10 speech skill
Oh, it certainly does!
Love your content pastor Matt! Keep it up brother, your videos are a huge blessing
Glad you like them!
Thanks for this content. It was informative.
What a great video. Thank you 🙏
This video should be required viewing in our seminaries.
Pretty good example of how to present Biblical truth, however uncomfortable some might find it. The comments seem to show how emotionally invested some are concerning this issue.
Agree.
@jose perez- no because Paul further qualifies his statement by saying “for I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over men”.
Love this Pastor Matt!
Thank you sir!
Great work Dr. Everhard!! Stay true to the teachings of the word as you always do; inspired words of the Holy Spirit speaking through the apostles and prophets. An unchanging God and His loving word written for our salvation. ...for whoever believes in Him (Christ) should not parish, but have eternal life.
I see a lot of theoretical nonsense and conjecture in this thread, none of which is backed by solid research - simply opinion. Your presenting sound principled exegetical theological insight, a man who’s life has been dedicated to the study of theology and the Lord and has the academia credentials to support his argument. Doctor, your theology is built on a rock and will withstand the winds and storms of today’s highly volatile opinionated worldview culture . A culture that has built and continues to build their moral house on moving sands.
Blessings brother!
Well argued. Regarding Gal 3:28 ... the best debunker is: "Of course there is still Jew and Gentile ... Paul specifies each in contrast to the other very elaborately in Rom 9-11. So, clearly, Gal 3:28 is to be interpreted as being in regard to justification. Regarding women in ordained pastoral ministry, you covered it in your argument from history ... good job. But, you could have added that the true fountain of feminization of ordination in mainline denominations is the feminist movement. Charting the growth of feminism on a timeline shows women's ordination shadowing that line with just a few years time lag. In this case, correlation is also causation. Women's ordination is not based on a new discovery in the Bible, but a new social movement in society. Keep up the good work.
Beautiful, beautiful presentation. Praise God!
When our rector (Episcopalian) made the case for his wife to be ordained at the men's Bible study, he pointed us all to the Galatians passage saying there is no more male nor female in Christ. He said this at the men's Bible study...
6 minutes in and I already 👍🏻 description vs prescription needs to be taught more I don’t understand why I was a Christian for years before anyone laid this out for me
Thanks - prescription, description, proscription: what is commanded, what has occurred, what is forbidden.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
According to the Bible, women are not to preach in church, teach men, be in charge over men, etc. This has nothing to do with women’s abilities or intelligence. Women do their preaching and teaching to their children! I have no desire to preach to my congregation, having to come up with something to say every week. The headship order: God, Christ, man, woman. That does not allow for women to usurp authority over men. It is just God’s word. It is the man’s natural role to be the leader, protector, provider.
@The Pilgrim wow... If Jesus were here... The first evangelists were WOMEN! Romans 16 is full of women preachers and pastors including one apostle. And yes, that's the overwhelming concensus on Junia, being a female.
@@moisesg.v.1575Since Paul preached against women in charge and preaching, it would seem that somewhere along the line, things were getting out of hand.
Yes, I agree!
@The Pilgrim the majority of scholars, historians and church concensus is that Juna was a female. The Greek says they were well known among the apostles, meaning, they had a very good testimony as part of the apostles at that time. Even Paul says they came to faith before him which also became an apostle, hence making that connection not many realise.
The Bible uses the masculine all the time to express an example for both sexes. Notice it doesn't say ONLY men, or "He but NOT she". Your argument is an argument of silence. Yet Romans 16 has a large list of women in the ministry, pastors, deacons, apostle, evangelists, church planters... I agree with Paul's view on women.
@I Sanchez Yes, women do have power and it is used to raise her children, and to teach and encourage other women, but not to usurp her husband’s or any other man’s authority.
Another excellent summation of doctrine. I agree that this can be a slippery slope. In my Pentecostal world, they turn to "experience." And they point to experience in the New Testament and the church age as demonstrating that God can and does use women in all sorts of ways such as prophecy and the like. However, those same arguments can be used to gain acceptance of same sex marriage even among leadership. Glad to say that my pastor agrees with your arguments. I asked him how he gets by and he said that so far his leaders have similar beliefs so it is not 100% accepted in the Pentecostal world even among the AG. God bless you and your labors for Him.
So you are in the AG? I used to be in the AG and am now in the Church of God.
Maybe someone wrote on this point. If so, I apologize for being redundant.
To me, Acts 1 reinforces Jesus' descriptive selection of male disciples/apostles. When the apostles were to select a replacement for Judas, Peter said they should choose (i) a MAN (emphasis, not yelling) who (ii) was with Jesus from his baptism through his resurrection.
Thank you for clarifying the childbearing comment in 1 Tim 2:15!
I would totally understand if you would rather not address this question but I would be interested in your thoughts about the Vanguard Presbytery.
Thanks for this video, very helpful. You mentioned that women shouldn't be allowed the role of teaching elder. Question - what about ruling elder? Or are they the same in this regard? Thanks in advance!
I’m a member of an ARP church and we don’t distinguish between a ruling elder or teaching elder in terms of having authority over the church. Women are not ordained to these roles.
When we consider the way Paul writes, do you think there's a particular reason he writes the way he does? Do you feel like he is expressing himself in a parable/puzzle style to see who is ultimately going to care enough about particular meanings to dig deep? Why is he so hard to read in particular?
Edit: Even Peter thought Paul's words were hard to understand or accept, and we know he had access to the holy spirit as well. How did Peter know for sure that he was qualified to speak for God, if even Peter himself struggled??
Paul was I think one of the greatest minds the world has ever seen I agree with peter you better have your mind ready when reading any scripture especially Paul
Great video. I have two questions I am curious to know about.
1. Do certain seminaries/ Bible colleges not enrol women into their courses on preaching/ teaching?
2. What would be the consequences of allowing women into these roles? This question comes from the point of view that there seems to be so many churches that do not allow women into these roles, yet their church is in no way “healthy”.
My own background is Christian Brethren, with similar positions on womens roles that you have expressed in this video.
Thank you.
1. Westminster Theological Seminary in Pennsylvania does not allow women to enroll in the M.DIV "Pastoral" track. Note: Women CAN however enroll in the M.DIV "General" track.
Can you talk about PCA churches that practice women teaching men in mixed groups of male and female adults in Sunday School, home groups, or small groups under and by the approval of the session? It is classified on authoritative (by TEs) vs. Unauthortitave Teaching (by lay male and female teachers).
Informative. Could he have been talking about Biblical times and not this day and time. What if your daughter or girl cousins wanted to be a pastor. What would you tell them.
I'm wondering who is typing for Matthew Everhard during the live chat?
Ha ha me! I record prior and post after it uploads. :-)
@@MatthewEverhard Oh, wow. I didn't know that. 😀.
I hold the Reformed/Baptist position as well. I’m not really sure how to respond to my Methodist/Pentecostal Mother and Sister who are going through seminary with hopes to be pastors.
Tell them no way and read their Bible 😮
Hello, I just wanted to let you know something I have come across lately. Now I am no KJVO but I have come across something that is leading me to believe that Acts 8:37 belongs in the Bible. So an early Church father named Irenaeus wrote a book called “Against Heresies” and this book was written around 180 AD, and within this book Irenaeus quotes acts 8:37 in this quote “that this was Jesus, and that scripture was fulfilled in him; as did also the eunuch himself: and, immediately requesting to be baptized, he said “I believe Jesus Christ to be the Son of God.” (Against Heresies, 3.12.8) This is important because this book predates some of our earliest manuscripts and it quite evident that whatever New Testament Irenaeus was looking at contained acts 8:37.
I am pro-Byzantine Text without being King James Only
My church doesn’t allow women to be teaching elders or pastors, and for the most part they are quite conservative. But lately they have begun incorporating the presence of women into church services, for example, having a man and a women open service with a prayer, or having a women give closing announcements, or having the wife of an elder share some quick thoughts after a sermon. So while the women are not preaching or leading, they are participating in the congregational service, any thoughts? What should I make of this biblically?
Do they teach strongly what the Bible says about roles?
If not, they are probably trying to worm they're way in the wrong direction.
@@erc9468 my church doesn’t focus on teaching doctrine as much, but focuses more on character building practicals and evangelism
God can bear even the thoughts and words of women. Also, I think if a woman announces a coming potluck, there is no danger.
@@katym.8250 Do you think God is happy to bear disobedience to his clear teaching?
@@erc9468 No. However, it may be a good idea to question feeling threatened over the mere presence of women during worship.
There are a LOT of Reformed folks (myself included) who are egalitarian in their interpretation of these texts. The Evangelical Presbyterian Church gives freedom to churches and presbyteries to determine what stance they will take and the ECO Presbyterians take the egalitarian stance for their whole denomination. Both are solid Reformed, evangelical denominations.
The EPC is mostly reformed, but not strongly so. Some of their churches are Presbyterian in name only.
To call ECO strongly Reformed is just not reality.
In my view the EPC is solid in many issues, but not this one. Love all my EPC fam no matter what however!
I would be interested to hear the egalitarian side from Reformed folks.
Great video great points when I always believe that when I say a church opens that up for law women to be pastors, that’s the destruction of the church Avengement know that leads into all kinds of chaos now in the church. I actually believe that women have more important role, but I guess that’s my point of view of matter fact I’m kind of concerned now because my pastor and reformed Baptist loves. God loves God‘s word, but he still get a position to be a pastor of pastors and of course always concerned about what’s coming love your video. Love them all next time.
Quick Question, btw I love you (I'm 15). Can I disagree here and still be christian? Is this a salvation issue?
Why would you want to disagree with the clear testimony of Scripture?
Christians can differ on theological issues without risking loss of salvation. We are not saved by our doctrinal precision but by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Love you too!
@@erc9468 it's called wrong interpretation. What you may call "clear testimony" can very well be "clear misinterpretation of Scripture". That's why you have 40,000 different denominations and counting.
@@erc9468 Ok. As @moises G.V. is pointing out, my interpretation is different than yours. It's ironic that you would point that out because it seems you're disagreeing with scripture. I find it very hard to believe that you are 100% consistent with that question in your life. Did youtube exist back then? Look, I'm not saying that I'm even close to being close to alignment with Scripture. I'm very much a sinner. I also find it very hard to believe that Paul was writing whole scripture in these passages. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. I love you.
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I'm probably wrong about something. If I am, I'd like to know what it is.
But it seems to me that the Bible is really, really clear here. It is hard for me to imagine a possible way that the Bible could be more clear than it is.
It says exactly who should and shouldn't be church leaders.
Positively. Clearly. Unmistakably.
Realistically, some roles aren’t appropriate for certain genders. For example, men can be midwives-but they aren’t going to be able to truly convey the pain of pregnancy, childbirth, or breastfeeding. (Food babies don’t count as experience either 😂) Not all jobs are for everyone, and some people need to learn to be okay with it.
As an RN I concur, men should not be midwives lol
Being a pastor works equally for both genders.
Correct, but being a pastor or minister is not one of those. Thank God for that 😊🙏
I love how individuals make up their own conclusions and consider it to be fact. Using cultural norms as our hermeneutic for interpreting scripture is attempting to make the Bible say what we want it to say, woe to those who walk this line. Colossians 2:8, "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ."
@@kyledanner436 unfortunately some see facts as people's own conclusions because those facts contradict their theology. To correctly interpret the Bible we must understand the original context and mindset of the original writers. That means a Middle Eastern Jewish perspective. Context is everything. Shalom ❤️ 🤗
Judas replacement Acts 1 and and finding seven men Acts 6 are a couple of other good biblical passages.
I agree with all but one point when Paul says older women are to teach younger women he is not talking about bible study or theology he is talking about how to be a godly woman read that passage again and see the examples he gives
You believe men should teach women’s Bible study? Ok what about study’s that are about motherhood and sexuality in a small group? You want to be the only man in the room when they’re discussing how to be a wife and mother? I don’t think so.
@@melindaanne6036 our pastor just teaches the whole bible so yes he covers those things
Pretty much the traditional Lutheran view as well. Well done!
Thank you kindly!
Matthew didn’t mention the prophetess Huldah in the Old Testament
A prophetess is not a pastor.
Good teaching on the subject, complementarianism definitely seems to be what the Bible pushes. Appreciate your efforts to maintain truthfulness to the word despite public backlash. God bless.
Not an authoritative issue by as Paul points out, a creation issue. What we do in the church is never determined by the culture but by biblical institution. That doesn’t give men rule or authority over women but the high responsibility of leading and shepherding the church. If one wishes to see a great example of a woman’s role, the Proverbs 31 woman is one. She manages her home well. Her husband who is an elder of the city can easily leave that too her. She’s actually quite prosperous. She seeks to bring honor and dignity to her family. She sees to it they’re cared for. When her husband comes home he doesn’t demand but lives in the home she’s created.
And he, the children, the servants call her blessed.
I will confess that men have abused their role and even become emasculated in many ways. They’ve become mr. moms . Sadly men have tried to assume the role of men and men the role of women. That goes against creation.
Unfortunately the reformed view is wrong. Context is everything. Women CAN and should be ANYTHING God has called them to be, including pastors like in Romans 16. The context here is not preaching but women talking while a teacher is sharing God's word. It's NOT talking about a woman not being able to preach. In fact Romans 16 clearly has a list of female preachers, evangelists and one apostle called Junia. Paul wasn't contradicting himself. It's a pure matter of context. Women must be subject to their own father if single, or husband if married, no other males. Unfortunately again, this has been misinterpreted by those who call themselves reformed. This teaching of Paul comes directly from the Torah. But that's something reformed theology never connects with.
I thought we was in the New covenant but we're not in the male dominant society no more is we? And also are we gentiles not Jews?
If you are a Gentile you are out of covenant with God. If you have been grafted in by faith then you are no longer a Gentile. As Paul says "you were once". You can't be grafted into Israel and not be an Israelite. From Exodus God told Moses any Gentile that wants to worship Him must be regarded as a native born Israelite. God's kingdom has a name, Israel.
But, that real question are you a Jewish?
Then I thought,( The Green Commission) was to tell the gospel all the world. And teach the God love he has for everyone in the world! Sometimes we get this thing that we all are Island. And it seems that some people in some of this secular world think they're special than other people but God views no color no shape no form no nationality he made man in his own image. And the gospel is free to all they believe. But we forgetting that the Jews was a male dominant society. Are we leaving in the male dominant society?
I rather be a gentile than a Jew then hold down to the Old law with this yoke up on my neck or over 300 laws that doesn't make me righteous before God.
But I believe in the old law , the commandments and the teachings in Old testament to make me better understand the coming of Christ and what God had to do to make us recognize the sinful nature in us.
@@donmahoney8023 that's an ignorant statement.
If someone claims, “I know God,” but doesn’t obey God’s commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth. 1 John 2.4 If you were a Gentile but now grafted in, you are bound to God's covenant like anyone else. God's kingdom has a law.
1 Cor.14:35 Declares that it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church...
And so Paul is referring to the Old Testament standard.
But we live in a New Covenant
Gal.3:26-28 where we are counted as equals.
Col.3:11 equals ethnicities, and an ethnic group consist of women.
Rom.5:18,19 Declares we are righteous through Jesus Christ...He is the fullfillment of the law, also for women.
So women are qualified in the church, by God's grace, to share the Word of God...as i see it.
A logical explanation for Paul to make his stance against women speaking in the Church can be that they were illitterate, and could not read, and thus were not allowed to read in the meetings of a synagogue...
But nowadays, they sure can !
With kind regards.
Martin Libom
No ! The church started at pentecost. Read Act’s ..when Jesus Christ died on the cross the Law pass away and Grace came,no woman pastor or bishop or overseer no Deacon or Elder 😮….no woman leadership.in old testament or New Testament over mens
What about Joyce Meyer? If she brings 1 soul to Christ wouldn't it be ok for her to be a pastor?
First off, she isn't bringing anyone to Christ. You are pushing a man centered doctrine, where salvation is completely up to God. Preaching the gospel is so people can hear, but the work of "winning" souls is not something we are doing, but God. The conversation has to do with gender roles as God had intended. If we live differently than how we were designed, that would be sin.
Joyce Meyer is a false teacher. Secondly, no child of God is capable of bringing anyone to Christ. As Christians, we are simply commissioned to bring the word of God to others. The Lord Himself has already determined who will come to Him and who will not, long before Joyce Meyer was even born.
I ask that you pray on the question you asked, read the scriptures with increased determination, and God will reveal the truth to you in time.
Nicely done as usual.
Our female PCUSA associate pastor in a large midwestern congregation was disastrous. So seldom seen and so uninvolved that she was practically a non-entity... More an occasional, shallow, feel-good token than a pastor, and certainly not a Bible preacher. A...painful experience. Never again.
This was a fair presentation and necessary. It's good to take on tough subjects, you should be commended for it
The Bible doesn't give any examples of female pastors, but does not explicitly forbids it, or in any other ministries...
So all we have is guess-work about our women in the pulpit...
"Women shall be silent in the church", is one verse, and you cannot build a doctrine on one verse..EG baptizing for the dead...
Anybody teaching female pastors are okay can not be trusted when they reject such a clear teaching of scripture.
Anothor intresting aspect of Feminism in the church is the rejection of headcovering.
Just like the passages saying females cannot be ministers are not cultural 1 Corinthians 11:3-16 does not seem to be cultural like modern people like the assert and the arguments againist headcovering like the cultural argument has no biblical support and the other arguments are pretty lame. But all these modern churches in accommodating feminism have rejected a historic biblical Christian practice.
This is correct and RC Sproul also agreed with you
What about Victoria Osteen? Can a wife of a pastor preach or teach? Or do you believe women should remain quiet in the church even today?
Being a pastor's wife does not make any difference
Mary Magdalene was the first person Jesus told to go and tell the good news about the resurrection. Paul said “I” do not allow…. He did not say it was a command from the Lord. I think we should view this issue through a cultural context, as we do other issues like slavery, head coverings and baptizing for the dead.
Finally someone with some common sense in this comment thread! God bless you.
@@hf15123 thank you, not much common sense amongst American evangelicals.
@@sdb6757 Sadly that is true. I follow Jesus. Not man. And this is a prime example of a man made rule. If God can speak through a burning bush, he can certainly speak through a woman.
So does a believer that is a woman go to hell for preaching?
If it is clear, willful, unrepentant rebellion against the clear prescription of Scripture, what do you think?
@@erc9468 Romans 16... Amazing women in the ministry of preaching and pastoring.
@@moisesg.v.1575 Are you referring to Phoebe, in Romans 16:1? I see her being a servant for the church, but not as being a pastor/elder. And we should consider other biblical texts that provide us with qualifications of a pastor/elder. In my own personal experience (even being a woman) I’ve yet to find one woman today rightly divide the Word as an elder/pastor. It’s usually “feel-good”, pseudo-motivational, relationship “messages”. That doesn’t mean women aren’t valuable in spreading the gospel in other ways.
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That's a laughable position. How does two unclear verses with arguable interpretation counteract the entire witness of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation?
Penis ONLY in the pulpit!!!...NO vagina's allowed!!! Do you really think God is that stupid???
Envy/jealousy, which would elevate the self with God like “eloquence”, is fundamental in “The Fall”. The female would “have everything the male has”. And there it is. Sin,sin, sin. I can’t bear to see it. With love.
Why do you take such pride in calling yourself reformed? Why don’t you just say the biblical view?
Paul also told a slave to go back to his owner! I am sure Paul would be horrified if he knew some people would take his mail as the inerrant word of God.
Full context: to be received as a brother and no longer a slave.
Unfortunately the reformed view on this matter is wrong. Context is everything. Women CAN and should be ANYTHING God has called them to be, including pastors like in Romans 16. The context here is not preaching but women talking while a teacher is sharing God's word. It's NOT talking about a woman not being able to preach. In fact Romans 16 clearly has a list of female preachers, evangelists and one apostle called Junia (the attacks on them are poor and linguistically easily debunked). Paul wasn't contradicting himself. It's a pure matter of context. Women must be subject to their own father if single, or husband if married, no other males. Unfortunately again, this has been misinterpreted by those who call themselves reformed. This teaching of Paul comes directly from the Torah. But that's something reformed theology never connects with.
(Didn't watch video) ;-)
@@MatthewEverhard after finished watching, I reinforce my comments for the same reasons. 😊 When Paul talks about a man, he is putting the masculine as the example, not saying a woman cannot do the same thing given she fulfills exactly the same things, being of good reputation, woman subject to her husband, good testimony... Etc. So that text does not exclude females, it only basically uses the male as the example of the matter. In Jewish thought this was very common. In fact the very title used for Timothy "worker" being a pastor, is used for most women working in Paul's ministry. Some of them being prophetesses and evangelists. Imagine being a prophet of God but not allowed to speak... 😅 There's no contradiction in Paul's letters, only misinterpretation. Not a salvation issue either 😉 🙏 I have met several women pastors and apostles in my life, and I have seen the good fruit of their labour and the anointing of the Spirit upon their lives. That confirms what I see in Scripture too.