Nic and I also built of a sick Titanium bike using the new groupset. You can check the full build video out here: ua-cam.com/video/nZBHGTiLbsY/v-deo.html
They have been using the paceline rotors in the total weight of the new Force AXS. It really should incorporate the centerline rotors and that instantly knocks off another 100 grams overall.
Great to see you guys getting early access to this stuff. Love the look of the new brake levers / shifters. Maybe time to start saving for a new groupset?
People have to buy a new power meter if they want to replace or change the chainrings on the crank. The power meter is completely integrated with the chainrings. Everyone focuses on the crankset looks and the 100g weight saving, but it's not practical or cost efficient at all.
They have a crank arm power meter that totally solves the issue you are talking about. Whenever someone complains about this exact situation no one ever mentions the fact that there are 3 powermeter options to choose from.
Great video! Thank you for sharing... The groupset does look amazing, overall it's more of an upgrade of the crankset and cosmetic properties, the shifting and braking performance is prob as good as last gen force and red... not sure if the new derailleurs can be paired with the older version shifters... Curious to see if there is any revolutionary improvement on the new Red groupset in the future...
I was wondering can we swap the standard chainring 46/33 to 43/30 and use the 43/30 chainring on the standard axle instead of using the wide axle (AXS wide)?
the price for the crankset with powermeter is the same then the price currently for the red crankset? i thought it will be cheaper? 800€ Is it possible to plug in the powermeter of my Rival into the new crankset wihtout powermeter?
Contrary to the SRAM rep's opinion that the BB isn't the interesting part, I find it's the most important. Will they still have metal-on-metal contact between the axle and the inner bearing race? I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would design a BB like that, especially with 2 different type of metals.
Is there a 1x force system? As I would not need the left shifter as a shifter just a brake And can you buy a basic 1x system as a set as I can’t see any groupsets even on SRAMs website?
@@Roger101Watson So how does it work on 2 x then? If you need up and down for front derailleur and up and down for rear derailleur why can’t you do up and down just on one shifter? Your answer does not make sense or is it me. So you need four buttons to operate a two derailleur system so obviously you only need two buttons for a 1 x system. So right hand shifter 2 buttons, left hood would just be a brake lever 🤔🤔
@@bikepackingadventure7913 left or right are used to shift up and down the cassette. When you press both at the same time, it will shift the front derailleur. if you have a 1x , you can get the axs dropper and control the dropper by pressing both shifters
@@bikepackingadventure7913 When you want to shift the front mech you push them both. The front is 2 rings high/low each push will shift it. The rear of course has 12 speed so you need a click to shift one sprocket.
I'm sad to say, I'm a bit underwhelmed. It seems to be just regular FORCE with slightly lighter Rival Hoods. The one-pieces chainrings will make replacements more expensive and the whole set just costs more to start with. I just bought the old 1x Force Group for under 800 generic western currency on sale. Apparently there's a lot of stock left that had been waiting to be shiopped to Europe during the pandemic.
No wider brake clearance, no move away from DOT, no direct mount hanger, no other innovation. It is just same old Force with some Red and Rival mixed together, but nothing new really.
I'm a cross trainer when it comes to bicycling for Distance Skating.Fairly new to the scene. Is it okay to ask, why SRAM went with a 48/35T crank ? & not a higher one like 53 or 58 / 34 T ?. Nice video & Thanks :)
@@nicvieri2627 I was watching GCN Tech review on SRAM Force 2023 Chain rings review...Only then I understood it is 48/35 T on the front & 10-44T on the rear. Which makes it similar to 53/34 T on the Front / 11/42 T on the Rear in Shimano or any other manufacturers. Thank you so much Sir 🙏🕊 There is a lot to learn 🙏🕊
Awesome work, appreciate the long shots of the different components. The overall new paint scheme is really not for me, rival axs components still look nicer and more minimal, subtle, industrial, at least they could have added some of the silver finish of sram red (especially for the chainrings), this new aesthetic actually makes the groupset look a bit cheap (of course all of this is very subjective). The biggest negative is that there is no new features in the shifters, all it has is carbon blades vs the rival ones, why no top hood buttons for switching screens on your computer etc., would've been the most sane/useful update. Looking forward to the next video.
I do miss the all black Force AXS cassettes, not a fan of the newer shiny ones at all. Had to replace mine recently and it’s just not as slick looking.
Unfortunately the power meter is built into the rings. Which means when the rings are worn out you have to throw the whole thing away including the power meter???? 🤷🏽♂️ Also ask him how often you have to change the chain to extend the life of the front rings/power meter.
SRAM offers a 50% off on the replacement chainrings with integrated power. So essentially it’ll come out to the same price as just replacing the rings on the equivalent Shimano or Record chainset. I’ll confirm exact pricing later this week with them.
@@nicvieri2627 still a waste tho. Why throw a perfectly good power meter and crank when you could have just change the chainring only? Shimano has done this right.
Yo tech is cool and all but I just can't get on the electronic shifting train. Cable shifting, cable brakes, big rotors, sintered copper pads are all plenty fine for me.
Yeah, when we met up with Stu they were expecting it to be available in shops today. Apparently they’ve had some delays and it’s a month or two away. Not 5-7 though. That’s my understanding.
@@Jimmidoesstuff Shifters & mechs are in April some of the cranks are May-August.I spoke to a SRAM brand manager at a trade show a week ago and he said nothing of new Force.
"if it works don't fix it" ?? SRAM really need to fix their breaks... I mean the stopping power is really not great. To me it just looks like, that they reuse the Red Chainring and just anodize it black. Designwise I never really liked it. And now the "cheaper" Force has the same issue with the integrated powermeter. Edit: they also offer a Spindle-based Power Meter 👍 Hoods and all black is a plus. I would like to see a compatible 3rd party crank or (double) chainring / spider.
“Available to buy from March 1st.” Very clever of the SRAM marketing guy to not specify which year though, knowing their supply chain clusterfucks. March 1st…2030?
@@Jimmidoesstuff kind of yeah, I understand they can't for patent reasons. But as a di2 user I certainly love the convenience of one battery that I only have to charge once a year
So absolutely nothing new apart from slight improvement in appearance? (still looks dull though) Even Chorus beats it by miles, not to mention higher end groups.
Nic and I also built of a sick Titanium bike using the new groupset. You can check the full build video out here: ua-cam.com/video/nZBHGTiLbsY/v-deo.html
Been a Shimano user since I got into cycling. With the new Madone was intrigued by SRAM. Definitely looking forward to my Madone SLR 7 AXS to arrive!
They have been using the paceline rotors in the total weight of the new Force AXS. It really should incorporate the centerline rotors and that instantly knocks off another 100 grams overall.
Great to see you guys getting early access to this stuff. Love the look of the new brake levers / shifters. Maybe time to start saving for a new groupset?
They’re like the Rival ones which I have. Very comfy.
10:14 this scene man 😂😂 I will never unsee this 🫣😳😳
Hahah
@@Jimmidoesstuff I think that needs to be his wardrobe for all future videos
People have to buy a new power meter if they want to replace or change the chainrings on the crank. The power meter is completely integrated with the chainrings. Everyone focuses on the crankset looks and the 100g weight saving, but it's not practical or cost efficient at all.
They have a non powermeter option
They have a crank arm power meter that totally solves the issue you are talking about. Whenever someone complains about this exact situation no one ever mentions the fact that there are 3 powermeter options to choose from.
Is this Chainring compatible with the 2X Rival Groupset ?
Love that Ti frameset....
Great video! Thank you for sharing... The groupset does look amazing, overall it's more of an upgrade of the crankset and cosmetic properties, the shifting and braking performance is prob as good as last gen force and red... not sure if the new derailleurs can be paired with the older version shifters... Curious to see if there is any revolutionary improvement on the new Red groupset in the future...
Yeah, mostly cosmetic changes. Marginally lighter.
Fullly compatible with all the current AXS components. 🙌🏽
Can the chain ring be changed out when wore out without changing the whole crank ?
That new finish really matches my Bike! It’s metallic grey and black with holographic logos. Oh dear…
Nice bit of kit 👍
Just to clarify, I'm on about the groupset not nic in his "outfit" lol 🤣🤣
It’s Stu! Legend
I was wondering can we swap the standard chainring 46/33 to 43/30 and use the 43/30 chainring on the standard axle instead of using the wide axle (AXS wide)?
Stu, a very lovely man.
You're officially now an industry insider
😁😁😁
Whoa, what a relief. Another nice and shinny piece of gear I won't be putting on my $1,200 - 5 year old bike. BTW nice video.
Hahahahah
I've been trying to find out how the crank arm weight compares to current force and red. Any idea?
Current weight in this video. Old weights do a google search. ✌🏼
You throw away the power meter when you change the chainrings?
No way! 😱😱
Yes, basically
They have cookies 🖤 that's how presentation should be started ))
Whoa!
the price for the crankset with powermeter is the same then the price currently for the red crankset? i thought it will be cheaper? 800€ Is it possible to plug in the powermeter of my Rival into the new crankset wihtout powermeter?
Nope, the Red crankset costs significantly more. (like 800 for force, 1300 for red !!)
i assume this is priced similarly as the ltwoo groupset to offer competition...... guys ?
Hahah
Ltwoo was made by SRAM employees who were fired. SRAM literally gave away their r&d
@@janeblogs324 I thought that was sensah
Cool groupset, but Steve's hair is INCREDIBLE.
Stu’s?
@@Jimmidoesstuff sorry yes - my hearing is nearly as bad as my bike riding
Contrary to the SRAM rep's opinion that the BB isn't the interesting part, I find it's the most important. Will they still have metal-on-metal contact between the axle and the inner bearing race?
I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would design a BB like that, especially with 2 different type of metals.
Fit most BBs? Try bb86....
Is there a 1x force system? As I would not need the left shifter as a shifter just a brake
And can you buy a basic 1x system as a set as I can’t see any groupsets even on SRAMs website?
Yeah there’s a 1x option. Bike shops can order it now. But i think it’s been delayed a couple of months.
You need both on SRAM even on a 1x. A lever can be set to UP or DOWN not both so you need TWO.
@@Roger101Watson So how does it work on 2 x then? If you need up and down for front derailleur and up and down for rear derailleur why can’t you do up and down just on one shifter?
Your answer does not make sense or is it me. So you need four buttons to operate a two derailleur system so obviously you only need two buttons for a 1 x system. So right hand shifter 2 buttons, left hood would just be a brake lever 🤔🤔
@@bikepackingadventure7913 left or right are used to shift up and down the cassette. When you press both at the same time, it will shift the front derailleur. if you have a 1x , you can get the axs dropper and control the dropper by pressing both shifters
@@bikepackingadventure7913 When you want to shift the front mech you push them both. The front is 2 rings high/low each push will shift it. The rear of course has 12 speed so you need a click to shift one sprocket.
I'm sad to say, I'm a bit underwhelmed. It seems to be just regular FORCE with slightly lighter Rival Hoods. The one-pieces chainrings will make replacements more expensive and the whole set just costs more to start with. I just bought the old 1x Force Group for under 800 generic western currency on sale. Apparently there's a lot of stock left that had been waiting to be shiopped to Europe during the pandemic.
No wider brake clearance, no move away from DOT, no direct mount hanger, no other innovation. It is just same old Force with some Red and Rival mixed together, but nothing new really.
I just got some now ‘old’ force shifters.
I'm a cross trainer when it comes to bicycling for Distance Skating.Fairly new to the scene. Is it okay to ask, why SRAM went with a 48/35T crank ? & not a higher one like 53 or 58 / 34 T ?. Nice video & Thanks :)
I think because the sram cassettes go down to a 10 tooth. So 48 x 10 is something like 34 x 11.
Can someone else confirm or deny this?
@@Jimmidoesstuff If 10 is on the rear then it is not the same, I guess 🙏🕊️
48 10 is similar to 53 11. Also with the smaller 13t gap between the big and small ring, your front mech will work slightly better.
@@nicvieri2627 I was watching GCN Tech review on SRAM Force 2023 Chain rings review...Only then I understood it is 48/35 T on the front & 10-44T on the rear. Which makes it similar to 53/34 T on the Front / 11/42 T on the Rear in Shimano or any other manufacturers. Thank you so much Sir 🙏🕊 There is a lot to learn 🙏🕊
The sram front derailleurs/chainrings aren’t as well engineered as other brands hence the smaller gap between big and small ring.
I want the new Force crankset, as it looks cool now
It looks quite samey as the SENICX ones from ali express
Does it? Send me a link.
@@Jimmidoesstuff im trying to post some links Jimmi however youtube keeps deleting
@@abedfo88 I tried sending Jimmy a link as well and it got deleted 🤷🏽♂️
@@alvin19391 I emailed his attacus account. If you blend the senicx chainrings with some ali carbon cranks then you get something quite similar !
Awesome work, appreciate the long shots of the different components. The overall new paint scheme is really not for me, rival axs components still look nicer and more minimal, subtle, industrial, at least they could have added some of the silver finish of sram red (especially for the chainrings), this new aesthetic actually makes the groupset look a bit cheap (of course all of this is very subjective). The biggest negative is that there is no new features in the shifters, all it has is carbon blades vs the rival ones, why no top hood buttons for switching screens on your computer etc., would've been the most sane/useful update. Looking forward to the next video.
Perhaps they’re saving that for a Red update? 🤷🏻♂️
If you like the old Force you will like the new force because the new Force is functionally identical to the old Force.
Correct. Apart from shifter ergonomics. They’re now like rival shifters.
@@Jimmidoesstuff Is the new force axs derailleur compatible with Rival axs shifters? thanks
I do miss the all black Force AXS cassettes, not a fan of the newer shiny ones at all. Had to replace mine recently and it’s just not as slick looking.
That flake will go nice with the enormous amount of matte bikes out there 😂
Unfortunately the power meter is built into the rings. Which means when the rings are worn out you have to throw the whole thing away including the power meter???? 🤷🏽♂️
Also ask him how often you have to change the chain to extend the life of the front rings/power meter.
You sure about that? Surely not? 😱
@@Jimmidoesstuff it's what I've heard but i could be wrong. I bloody hope I'm wrong! 😂
SRAM offers a 50% off on the replacement chainrings with integrated power. So essentially it’ll come out to the same price as just replacing the rings on the equivalent Shimano or Record chainset. I’ll confirm exact pricing later this week with them.
@@nicvieri2627 still a waste tho. Why throw a perfectly good power meter and crank when you could have just change the chainring only?
Shimano has done this right.
Not an environmentally friendly solution 😞
Yo tech is cool and all but I just can't get on the electronic shifting train. Cable shifting, cable brakes, big rotors, sintered copper pads are all plenty fine for me.
Yeah I rejected it for a long time. It’s nout special. And defo not essential. But it’s pleasant when you do have it.
If my mechanical shifters worked like buttons with a 2mm throw I'd never change
hopefully that new charger is USB-C the current connector annoys me so much it just feels cheap.
10:24😂😂😂😂
😁
@@Jimmidoesstuff Love me a funny skit! Great video... I enjoyed the build as well! 👌🏼
When the truth is that the main SRAM UK supplier only announced it today as a preorder! You'd complete your chosen groupset in around 5-7 months.
Yeah, when we met up with Stu they were expecting it to be available in shops today. Apparently they’ve had some delays and it’s a month or two away. Not 5-7 though. That’s my understanding.
@@Jimmidoesstuff Shifters & mechs are in April some of the cranks are May-August.I spoke to a SRAM brand manager at a trade show a week ago and he said nothing of new Force.
@@Roger101Watson there weren’t allowed to talk about it until 2m today. August? Jeesh.
When I need to change small chainring, I need to buy all kit with quakr power meter😂 this is real sheet
"if it works don't fix it" ??
SRAM really need to fix their breaks...
I mean the stopping power is really not great.
To me it just looks like, that they reuse the Red Chainring and just anodize it black.
Designwise I never really liked it. And now the "cheaper" Force has the same issue with the integrated powermeter.
Edit: they also offer a Spindle-based Power Meter 👍
Hoods and all black is a plus.
I would like to see a compatible 3rd party crank or (double) chainring / spider.
“Our engineers were basically…. challenged” you bet pal 😂
“Available to buy from March 1st.”
Very clever of the SRAM marketing guy to not specify which year though, knowing their supply chain clusterfucks.
March 1st…2030?
SRAM biscuits 😂
Dog collar transition…😂😂
Sram needs to make an internal single battery with wires to each unit.
Why?
I can only assume that’s a joke. 😂
@@Jimmidoesstuff kind of yeah, I understand they can't for patent reasons. But as a di2 user I certainly love the convenience of one battery that I only have to charge once a year
To me, the idea of an internal battery linked with cables, is exactly why I won’t ride Di2. The simplicity of eTap is mint.
Each to their own.
Haha, nothing says high level and quality like a shitty 1980s hologram sticker, looks like something I got from my Frosties
Hahaha
Just wait till the sticker gets damaged
Dog collar - lmao
Ye olde disposable power meter 😂
So absolutely nothing new apart from slight improvement in appearance? (still looks dull though) Even Chorus beats it by miles, not to mention higher end groups.
but, it has sparkles!. Actually, the crankset was the biggest change. And I think the FD is different (?)