22:22 time stamp Real Quick, after I installed the support brace on the bike, I noticed the plastic needed to be pushed more against the frame when re installing the wheel, so I just loosened and retighten the bolt on the support.. It just looked connected on film to me on the phone.... But other then that if you have any questions on this process or your own front derailleur stories I would love to hear them
Me again. I have a bad experience with Sram. Since 2 years I have changed, bottom bracket, shift level right and last week front derailler. Not reliable it's at least what I can say
Howdy mitch! I dont know if you use trainers? But i watched some videos. The garmin tacx can do a 25% grade, the wahoo can do a 20% grade. I feel either option outranges me, but you might be interested in that extra 5%?
I have the same group set Force D2 with 2200km, adjusted properly lot's of time from my LBS but i'm experiencing like 5 to7 drops (inside and outside) for a 70km ride. It's getting very annoying. Even on the bike stand there are certain combinations that the chain is dropped. We have tried with the Sram tool also with the Sram marks on the deraileurs but nothing. LBS told me they need a period to bend in the crankset with the chain which after 2000 km it does make sense. I don't know what else we need to try
@@steliosioannou9964 my shop adjusted it and it had problems but when I sat down and did it myself no issues. I'd say watch the SRAM install videos they helped alot.
I have SRAM and, so long as it’s set up properly, it works fine. It has dropped a couple of times but if I check the limit screw and make the quarter turn, it’s back to great shifting. I do run Shimano on another bike, although mechanical and it does need less adjustments but I have had a bad malfunction with that too which meant I had to be picked up due to a twisted chain. The key is proper adjustment for any group set.
@@GCPerformance18 The shimano auto shift is worse though - I hate when client's bikes are setup with this as the only option especially on comprised frames like QR that use a Chainstay lenthg and hanger geometery that is out of shimano's spec for framebuilders
@@mvhan911 the force compensation shift timing needs to be set to very slow or all the movement in the chain greatly increases the chances of a dropped chain
Man, du bist geil! Danke für dein Video. Hab vor paar Tagen ein neues Fahrrad gekauft und der Mechaniker hat alles falsch eingerichtet. Dachte, dass mit dem Bike ist schon etwas kaputt, aber dein Video hat mich gerettet!!!
I set two AXS front derailleurs up following SRAM's instructions (first gen force and new force) and haven't had any dropping problems. I installed a chain catch for the bottom bracket area but it hasn't been needed yet.
Thanks for that video! I wondered for quite long what these little plastic parts are good for and never found a real answer, ignoring appropriate search terms. Now I got it and will install. Let’s see if chain drops are going to decrease.
Hi, thanks for the tutotials, I was one of the first sram red axs users on the new venge when was released and when there was not the sram front mech jig, by then never had an issue cause I took my time to fine tune it, later on when the group was more common did see lots of people with issues but I believe it was bad tuning, also had seen some frames with the front mount hanger that do not allow the FD to twist inward like toe in on the back to have it perfect aligned and that requires to modify the base of the frame like sand it a little so the FD move in a little more. hope this helps some folks.
Great video. Yes please do a similar video for the rear derailleur. I did drop a chain a a couple of weeks ago. The chain was jammed in-between the inner chain ring and frame. What a pain. Now I know how to prevent this from happening again.
I have SRAM Red and i set my FD cage as far inboard as possible when in big/small without rub. I installed a SRAM Force 22 chain catcher so it wouldn't drop inside. Its bombproof, I never even look down when shifting the FD, never ever drops, outside or inside and no rub in any gear.
@@TerjeRiisnaes I was having an issue with chain dropping to the outside, I reset the FD from scratch like this video and then it would drop inside when shifting the FD while in the biggest 3 on the rear cassette. It wouldn't happen often but once in a while and was annoying. My old bike had Force 22 and never had any drop issues. Bought a catcher and all is good. I never think about it anymore. No matter what combination never an issue. I would say yes, its a must. The SRAM FD really needs a trim function but Shimano has that patent on lock.
@@norevlimitr1602I thought SRAM front derailleurs have Yaw Technology that utilises two differently sized parallelogram linkages front and back and a cage that widens at the rear?
I have Red eTap from 2017 on one of my bikes, had loads of issues with chains being thrown early on and after much experimentation with positioning I got it to the point it was fairly reliable if I shifted under light load and at a certain position on the pedal stroke (TDC) What finally cured it was my decision to ditch the Red chainset and put a Shimano 105 series on, since then not a single issue, front mech has been moved several times for chainring sizes altering and it’s never dropped. Take from that what you will but the fact it still happens with SRAM front mechs 7 yrs after i started experiencing it is laughable 🤣
Good tutorial GC 👍🏼 I would like to add to put a clear tape on the frame so that the support brace doesn’t rub off the paint on your seat post overtime… just a personal thing.😉
Lol, I ride Shimano too but I've had that experience a few times before too. So long as you don't panic when that happens and carefully continue to pedal and shift down you'll get the chain remounted. But I do like the idea of an alignment tool and that back of derailleur brace.
The only flaw with my Di2 came from the user. I degreased my chainrings to convert to wax and ate into the anodizing on them with my gnarly degreaser. Careful with purple degreaser and aluminum! Shifts like a dream! And the wax runs like butter. Im using molten speed waxes new formula on YBN chains. It feels slicker in the hand compared to silca wax on a stock chain.
Like you read my mind! I just had another dropped chain on a new Force AXS groupset and was thinking, man, when does Sram learn to do proper front shifting. Thanks for the tip.
Shimano all the way...i own both sram red & 12speed dura ace di2 but i prefer shimano...Shimano uses mineral oil, shifts faster, no chain drop, hoods feel better, brakes stop on a dime, looks better to me(sleeker stealth look), and the battery last forever...😅
On my first ride with SRAM etap the front derailleur wasn't properly installed so threw over the chain (shop installed it). It was a 300 km race and happened the first 100 meters. Had to jump off, get the chain on and chase down the group for minutes, not the best start on 300km. Had to use the big ring for the whole race. But after that, I got it dialed on properly and never had a problem with the shifting after that.
I really love Sram, it has everything to do with innovation. I never let the wedge touch the carbon frame. Instead, I use a smaller wedge and let it touch against the braze-on derailleur hanger. This is to prevent cracking the frame if something smashes the front derailleur.
Some shops are like. "Whats this for" thank god it seems to be a practice to save the bits and bobs. Specialized forgot to even give me my parts bag, di2 charger, futureshock spring kit, user manual, etc... I had to drive back there 1hr each way just to get the stuff. 1st new bike purchase as an adult and in 20 years! Im so glad to be back.
yea a lot of people od not have this but, for some reason sram is known for this with the front der, alot of people say that the front der gives them the most chain drops
Love the video, my front chain used to drop until I seen this video and adjusted it like you show. Would you do a video on installing and setting up the crankset. Like how you know what spacers to use and that. Thanks
I don't have AXS, but interested to see this. Just had a quick Google for this tool and was very surprised to see it retailing over here in the UK for £6 (around $7.50 US). I have to say, that's pretty good value for a major manufacturer
The biggest reason people have issues with SRAM front derailleurs is because they set them up as if they are Shimano. They'll then reply "but my bike shop set it up" and there is my point, a lot of bike shop "mechanics" still don't know how to set SRAM up properly. Can't stress enough the importance of the wedge. One of my 3 SRAM bikes I can't access behind the derailleur easily to insert the wedge (90s Superbike) and it's shifting performance under load is not as good as the other 2. Solved the problem by pre-installing the wedge but it was by micro adjusting its position and uninstall/reinstall the derailleur until it was right. Yes a faf but its what you gotta do when making new tech work with a 90s aero bike, and this is a rare situation.
Great video! No surprises that “properly” installing the derailleur with the manufacturer provided installation tool actually makes it work right?? Haha who’d have thought!? I can confirm that doing this does significantly increase performance and lessen chain drops compared to doing it by eye (in my universe of 1 though)
I've installed a few SRAM eTap AXS front derailleurs with SRAM's dedicated positioning tool and it doesn't actually set up yaw as perfectly as I'd like, mostly with a little toe-in. I then refined the yaw by eye and no setup I've done has ever dropped chains.
SRAM red, I’ve watched sooo many videos on setting it up over the last 4 years and I cannot stop it flipping off occasionally under load usually off the inner ring damaging the frame. I’ve finally installed a chain catcher. Took it out for its first trial yesterday and sure enough it tried to flip off the inner at one point and the catcher flipped it back on. Job done I hope. Always been shimano in the past which seems better for this to me. Like the way sram gear changing works though.
From experience, ive found using the alignment tool is good to align the derailer with the sprocket, but leaves the derailer too high off the large chainring. Manually adjusting the derailer to between 1.5mm to 2mm above the large chain works best from my experience.
I have an orbeya orca.I fight my front chain ring every time I go for a ride.I just wouldn't check.I have that little support, but it's not even touching the frame.It's almost touching the tire now.I will put my bike back on my bike.Stand and readjust everything like you've showed me.Thank you for this video.I appreciate it
This was a great video and perfect timing! Not only am I just finishing my first full build but my other bike has been dropping the chain. Will do this later today! Also is there a way or is it possible to use a 10/36 cassette with a Red axs derailleur or am I actually limited to a 10/33.
Usually the 10-33-max SRAM RD will work with 10-36 cassette, but it depends on the bike/derailleur hanger... Or you can wait for the new SRAM Red coming next week, that one will have Red 10-36 cassette/RD combo :)
One of the best videos for FD setup on SRAM I have seen! A+++++ I am changing out my Rival AXS to full Force D2 this fall and my Rival FD has that frame block and I assume it will be reused on the Force FD????
To be fair, I've never had much difficulty (if any) installing any front derailleur. Shimano front derailleur installation is so straight-to-the-point.
I haver a brand new 2024 Specialized Allez Sprint frameset that I had a high end shop build for me with a new full SRAM Rival groupset. I drop the chain to the inside on my first ride and On my second ride. I'm a decent mechanic. I am the only one that my girlfriend will let touch her S-WORKS with SRAM RED. So when I looked at mine, it looks perfectly set up. I'm adding a chain catcher to mine. The only thing the shop owner has to say is "If everything is set up perfectly, SRAM is a little more sensitive to shifting under power than Shimano. Even the pro's drop chains. Just back off a little more that you would with a Shimano."
I mean that sounds crappy, have you tried bringing in the low limit screw? and it is not touching and also the height is correct, usually we don't have issues with dropping on the inside more going over.. but yes adding a chain catcher on the inside doesnt hurt
I think the slides look cool but I think they would be even better if they were more like recovery slides. Hoka was the first brand that I saw make them and they seem to be popular with runners especially after races and hard workouts. Would be sick to have some GC performance recovery slides for the drive home after a long ride
Rotate the FD counterclockwise a few millimeter so that the center of the cage should be on the left edge of the chain and set the limiter screw so close to the chainring as possible.
@@xyse247 It's been over a year and that's my first drop so I think my initial setup has just moved a little. That's about the same maint schedule I had with having to retweak the limits on mech shimano
@@ff2e that's the troubling part for me, i have been riding axs 2x for many years, and not able to trust it 100% is killing me. the tolerance of the sram front derailleur is just so tight.
If someone’s watching GC for the fist time in this video and they’re not familiar with his sense of humor, they have to wonder who the f is this guy! Love your videos, G! And your sense of humor. The slides are cool by the way:-) Very Florida 😅
For everyone performing this SRAM front derailleur adjustment, please make SURE to use a NEW SRAM Powerlock when installing the chain back onto the drivetrain. SRAM Powerlocks are one-time use ONLY. I have heard of snapped chains causing serious injuries/deaths.
I've had the drop happen a few times going from big to small ring going up hill. I've found with SRAM Force AXS, I need to pause a second before engaging the pedals after shifting in either direction or I risk dropping the chain. I don't know if this is a SRAM thing or the front derailleur adjustment. I know SRAM shifting isn't supposed to be as quick as Di2.
I just set my shimano di2 to synchronous shifting giving me a virtual 1x16 and completley forget the front derailleur exists except for the split second it does the maneuver. I pretend my road bike is a 1x. I only use the front shifter occasionally when doing maintenance and want to move the front only. After linking it with my garmin i can see what gears im in and it has a little pop up informing me the next shift will change front cogs.
Brilliant vid my bike has the chain drop problem but only does it if I hold both gear change levers for 2 long if I just tap them it doesn't do it????.
Sounds like something's wrong with the circuitry, I've never had to press & hold both shift buttons. Have it checked by a SRAM retailer if firmware updates don't work.
I run master links until i dont get a firm click. If it felt like it clicked on too easy, its going to click off too easy also. I tend to use them more than 5 times. This is based off both KMC and YBN chains.
@@GCPerformance18 the bike brand, in newer models, doesn't paint the bracket anymore. I was hating on Sram so much as it cost me races. But I haven't had an issue in over a year now, it was really a simple solution in the end.
Shimano front derailleur installation never needs that kind of guide. Just set it up with no toe and 1 - 3 mm (I personally do 1.5 mm) above the large chainring's teeth.
Whats it with the SRAM chains dropping? I was riding for a weekend with a couple of guys. Almost all of the SRAM users had at least one chain drop in two days...
One of the secrets on SRAM derailleurs is using Locktite on the adjustment screws. They loosen over time unless you fix them, and then you'll end up with dropped chains and scratches on your beloved steed.
Hi, thanks for this great video. Wouldn't auto shifting from small to big on FD be an issue for sudden changes under load. The rider is not thinking what gear he's in and it suddenly shifts anyway. So I three chain doing this a few times. Would it be better to turn off enhanced sequential mode and just do it manually?
With my old cable front derailleur and shop adjusted, over shifting the chain into the cranks was very very rare. But you could gingerly shift it back onto the top ring but pedaling gently. You could do the same if you dropped the chain off the smaller ring by half shifting the chain back up. Is that possible with electronic? One of the comments here was from someone that had to get off their bike to fix.
no, the electronic is pre programmed to move a certain amount, so I remember what you are saying where you can kind of manually trim the derailler with your hand by how much you push on the shifter, which was nice but here this is not the case, once you set it, its set
Super timing! I'm building a new bike and had been agonizing for days on if I wanted to do an Ultegra or Red groupset - finally choosing red since I was too lazy to do the DI2 cable routing. Dropped chains were my main hold up.
On a Colnago C68 the Sram height guide tool mounts the mech too low, because of the laid back angle of that frames seat-tube (you have to manually nudge mech up a bit)
I like your channel, great stuff usually but this video was weird. All the steps you mentioned including the "plastic piece" is included in the SRAM official installation video. I've done multiple SRAM AXS bikes and never had a chain drop. Only drops been in Shimano bikes. Also I haven't heard any of my friends having problems. Is this a problem only for the shops/guys/pro-teams who don't follow the instructions???
You would be suprised how many customers bikes come into my store who don’t not set up the front der correctly, we don’t experience a lot of chain drop here because no one shifts front der but a lot of people talk about this
for me, it drops in the other direction - between small ring and bottom bracket shell. Even with a K-edge chain catcher it, somehow, still drops between the small-ring and BB shell.
There is one huge problem with this whole installing concept: sram brought to the market this tool way after they launched axs groupsets, which means they didnt develop the tool with the fd at the same time. It works sometimes, sometimes you have to struggle with it.
I mean, the only time that's happened to me is when my chain has bent...... so that's a you problem. I race almost exclusively 1x Sram, whether is CX, MTB, road, TT, and any of the groups it doesn't matter. No issues here.
Assuming you know about next Wednesdays release, one might infer from this video-which seems to address the difficulty setting up current Sram front mechs-that the soon to be released Red overcomes these often encountered issu
22:22 time stamp Real Quick, after I installed the support brace on the bike, I noticed the plastic needed to be pushed more against the frame when re installing the wheel, so I just loosened and retighten the bolt on the support.. It just looked connected on film to me on the phone.... But other then that if you have any questions on this process or your own front derailleur stories I would love to hear them
Me again. I have a bad experience with Sram. Since 2 years I have changed, bottom bracket, shift level right and last week front derailler. Not reliable it's at least what I can say
Is the extra brace supposed to come with your bike from factory or is this an "aftermarket" solution? if so, where can you get it? Thanks!
"HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED TO YOU???" 😂 Acting that good can only come from deep personal experience
Howdy mitch!
I dont know if you use trainers? But i watched some videos. The garmin tacx can do a 25% grade, the wahoo can do a 20% grade.
I feel either option outranges me, but you might be interested in that extra 5%?
hahaha
I adjusted mine on my own by following sram recommendations by adjusting the FD and the B gap 😊 its working flawlessly so far😊
Yea once it was set up properly I never dropped a chain. It wasn't as fast as Shimano but it's always felt smoother than Shimano.
@jaspreetsidhu5708 yep.. same. Now I'm wondering if I have that piece on my FD.lol.
Yeah. Same here. Perfect front shifts. Used the jig the front der came with and added the support piece. No issues 1000 miles later.
I have the same group set Force D2 with 2200km, adjusted properly lot's of time from my LBS but i'm experiencing like 5 to7 drops (inside and outside) for a 70km ride. It's getting very annoying. Even on the bike stand there are certain combinations that the chain is dropped. We have tried with the Sram tool also with the Sram marks on the deraileurs but nothing. LBS told me they need a period to bend in the crankset with the chain which after 2000 km it does make sense. I don't know what else we need to try
@@steliosioannou9964 my shop adjusted it and it had problems but when I sat down and did it myself no issues. I'd say watch the SRAM install videos they helped alot.
I have SRAM and, so long as it’s set up properly, it works fine. It has dropped a couple of times but if I check the limit screw and make the quarter turn, it’s back to great shifting. I do run Shimano on another bike, although mechanical and it does need less adjustments but I have had a bad malfunction with that too which meant I had to be picked up due to a twisted chain. The key is proper adjustment for any group set.
yes this is always the key, it needs to be perfect
great one, now I understand what is that little thing my mechanic put in there behind my FD, now it shifts 100% better than before.
hell yea!!!
All good tips - I recommend turning OFF the auto shift on the rear derailleur. I find this really helps with dropped chains as well.
yea makes sense
@@GCPerformance18 The shimano auto shift is worse though - I hate when client's bikes are setup with this as the only option especially on comprised frames like QR that use a Chainstay lenthg and hanger geometery that is out of shimano's spec for framebuilders
@@mtlaprade why no full auto mode on shimano ?
@@mvhan911 the force compensation shift timing needs to be set to very slow or all the movement in the chain greatly increases the chances of a dropped chain
@@mtlaprade does it also apply to Rival ? For me auto shifting with compensation would be an important feature for buying decision for Rival vs 105di2
Man, du bist geil! Danke für dein Video. Hab vor paar Tagen ein neues Fahrrad gekauft und der Mechaniker hat alles falsch eingerichtet. Dachte, dass mit dem Bike ist schon etwas kaputt, aber dein Video hat mich gerettet!!!
I set two AXS front derailleurs up following SRAM's instructions (first gen force and new force) and haven't had any dropping problems. I installed a chain catch for the bottom bracket area but it hasn't been needed yet.
yea the chain catch is always a nice saftey net to have for any component
Thanks for that video! I wondered for quite long what these little plastic parts are good for and never found a real answer, ignoring appropriate search terms. Now I got it and will install. Let’s see if chain drops are going to decrease.
I am glad it helped out!!
Pro tip: always go with Shimano Dura ace. The group set + power meter is A) lighter B) shifts better C) looks better D) dosnt drop the chain
New sram is lighter
@ nah not with the included power meter. Shimano and the 4iiii is lighter.
@@thepatternforms859…but the SRAM Powermeter works!
Hi, thanks for the tutotials, I was one of the first sram red axs users on the new venge when was released and when there was not the sram front mech jig, by then never had an issue cause I took my time to fine tune it, later on when the group was more common did see lots of people with issues but I believe it was bad tuning, also had seen some frames with the front mount hanger that do not allow the FD to twist inward like toe in on the back to have it perfect aligned and that requires to modify the base of the frame like sand it a little so the FD move in a little more. hope this helps some folks.
thanks for this
Enjoyed the infomercial style intro. A black and white filter on a B-roll of the moment the chain dropped would have been the cherry on top.
thanks so much!!!
Great video. Yes please do a similar video for the rear derailleur. I did drop a chain a a couple of weeks ago. The chain was jammed in-between the inner chain ring and frame. What a pain. Now I know how to prevent this from happening again.
I have SRAM Red and i set my FD cage as far inboard as possible when in big/small without rub. I installed a SRAM Force 22 chain catcher so it wouldn't drop inside. Its bombproof, I never even look down when shifting the FD, never ever drops, outside or inside and no rub in any gear.
I’m just about to do a build with Red myself. Do you think a change catcher is a must?
@@TerjeRiisnaes I was having an issue with chain dropping to the outside, I reset the FD from scratch like this video and then it would drop inside when shifting the FD while in the biggest 3 on the rear cassette. It wouldn't happen often but once in a while and was annoying. My old bike had Force 22 and never had any drop issues. Bought a catcher and all is good. I never think about it anymore. No matter what combination never an issue. I would say yes, its a must. The SRAM FD really needs a trim function but Shimano has that patent on lock.
@@norevlimitr1602I thought SRAM front derailleurs have Yaw Technology that utilises two differently sized parallelogram linkages front and back and a cage that widens at the rear?
@@sbccbc7471 Yes I know all that. Thats marketing, reality is different.
as long as it adjusted correctly you are god to go!! alot of people look past limit screws on electronic groups but they are key
I have Red eTap from 2017 on one of my bikes, had loads of issues with chains being thrown early on and after much experimentation with positioning I got it to the point it was fairly reliable if I shifted under light load and at a certain position on the pedal stroke (TDC)
What finally cured it was my decision to ditch the Red chainset and put a Shimano 105 series on, since then not a single issue, front mech has been moved several times for chainring sizes altering and it’s never dropped. Take from that what you will but the fact it still happens with SRAM front mechs 7 yrs after i started experiencing it is laughable 🤣
yea if a rider beocmes in tune with there bike and knows when to shift then that really does help
@@GCPerformance18 Agree, even Ultegra di2 12spd has an optimal shift point I’ve found.
Good tutorial GC 👍🏼 I would like to add to put a clear tape on the frame so that the support brace doesn’t rub off the paint on your seat post overtime… just a personal thing.😉
yea very nice suggestion
I use Shimano, so I do not know how that moment feels, but it was hilarious
Lol, I ride Shimano too but I've had that experience a few times before too. So long as you don't panic when that happens and carefully continue to pedal and shift down you'll get the chain remounted. But I do like the idea of an alignment tool and that back of derailleur brace.
With qualified mechanic and proper set up, I never had problem with shimano DI series…
The only flaw with my Di2 came from the user. I degreased my chainrings to convert to wax and ate into the anodizing on them with my gnarly degreaser.
Careful with purple degreaser and aluminum!
Shifts like a dream! And the wax runs like butter. Im using molten speed waxes new formula on YBN chains. It feels slicker in the hand compared to silca wax on a stock chain.
When i drop a chain it always means i need a new one.
Ultegra here. Installed a K-Edge chain catcher after hearing someone say it's the first thing they did for their road bike.
Great video. Once a sram front derailleur is installed perfectly you dont get a dropped chain anymore.
:)
I’ve not had that occur since I first put SIS gear on my bikes decades ago. This convinces me that Shimano is the gear to have
hahaha or go 1x sram
Like you read my mind! I just had another dropped chain on a new Force AXS groupset and was thinking, man, when does Sram learn to do proper front shifting. Thanks for the tip.
Their shifting is fine. Dudes in world tour dropping shimano chains too.
Get your stuff set up right and you'll be fine
Shimano all the way...i own both sram red & 12speed dura ace di2 but i prefer shimano...Shimano uses mineral oil, shifts faster, no chain drop, hoods feel better, brakes stop on a dime, looks better to me(sleeker stealth look), and the battery last forever...😅
FROM MÉXICO., GREAT EXPLANATION. THE BEST.
thanks so much!!!
On my first ride with SRAM etap the front derailleur wasn't properly installed so threw over the chain (shop installed it). It was a 300 km race and happened the first 100 meters. Had to jump off, get the chain on and chase down the group for minutes, not the best start on 300km. Had to use the big ring for the whole race. But after that, I got it dialed on properly and never had a problem with the shifting after that.
I really love Sram, it has
everything to do with innovation. I never let the wedge touch the carbon frame. Instead, I use a smaller wedge and let it touch against the braze-on derailleur hanger. This is to prevent cracking the frame if something smashes the front derailleur.
I was thinking that, are you using one of the wedges that come with the derailleur or are you using something else?
Bike shop didn’t install that on my Cervelo sram rival but found the parts in a bag. Thanks for the heads up!!WTH
no problem!!! yea we see this alot tbh
Some shops are like. "Whats this for" thank god it seems to be a practice to save the bits and bobs.
Specialized forgot to even give me my parts bag, di2 charger, futureshock spring kit, user manual, etc... I had to drive back there 1hr each way just to get the stuff.
1st new bike purchase as an adult and in 20 years! Im so glad to be back.
I've been training and gravel racing on SRAM AXS for two seasons now with zero issues. Factory installed by Giant.
yea a lot of people od not have this but, for some reason sram is known for this with the front der, alot of people say that the front der gives them the most chain drops
Love the video, my front chain used to drop until I seen this video and adjusted it like you show. Would you do a video on installing and setting up the crankset. Like how you know what spacers to use and that. Thanks
oh yea we can go at that for sure
I don't have AXS, but interested to see this. Just had a quick Google for this tool and was very surprised to see it retailing over here in the UK for £6 (around $7.50 US). I have to say, that's pretty good value for a major manufacturer
I appreciate you stopping by to watch
Great video dude. Love the tutorial like so so many others of yours
thanks so much
Great video! Exactly what I was looking for when swapping my big chainrings and adjusting my FD!
The biggest reason people have issues with SRAM front derailleurs is because they set them up as if they are Shimano. They'll then reply "but my bike shop set it up" and there is my point, a lot of bike shop "mechanics" still don't know how to set SRAM up properly.
Can't stress enough the importance of the wedge. One of my 3 SRAM bikes I can't access behind the derailleur easily to insert the wedge (90s Superbike) and it's shifting performance under load is not as good as the other 2. Solved the problem by pre-installing the wedge but it was by micro adjusting its position and uninstall/reinstall the derailleur until it was right. Yes a faf but its what you gotta do when making new tech work with a 90s aero bike, and this is a rare situation.
Yes I have to remove the wheel to adjust the wedge and tighten the fixing screw.
yes I see so many bikes come in with this piece missing or it not even touching the frame, makes no sense to me
This was real cool, thanks. Woudl love to see you go through the back derailler that tends to be a bit noisy....Thanks.
So helpful. Planning to take my derailleur off to do a full cleaning this weekend
Great video! No surprises that “properly” installing the derailleur with the manufacturer provided installation tool actually makes it work right?? Haha who’d have thought!? I can confirm that doing this does significantly increase performance and lessen chain drops compared to doing it by eye (in my universe of 1 though)
I've installed a few SRAM eTap AXS front derailleurs with SRAM's dedicated positioning tool and it doesn't actually set up yaw as perfectly as I'd like, mostly with a little toe-in. I then refined the yaw by eye and no setup I've done has ever dropped chains.
@@sbccbc7471 yeah I agree, I think the key here is each frameset slightly different geometry, that’s what I’ve also noticed which effects yaw etc
lol who would of thunk it
Thanks for this. Please do one for the rear as well
Will do
SRAM red, I’ve watched sooo many videos on setting it up over the last 4 years and I cannot stop it flipping off occasionally under load usually off the inner ring damaging the frame. I’ve finally installed a chain catcher. Took it out for its first trial yesterday and sure enough it tried to flip off the inner at one point and the catcher flipped it back on. Job done I hope. Always been shimano in the past which seems better for this to me. Like the way sram gear changing works though.
yea a chain catcher will always help
Good video. I think we need to get you new allen keys. Yowza....is it just me....or are they all bent/warped?
lmao they are silca wrenchs, and also it is not the tool it is the user of that tool, some of the tools in the shop are 10 years old
Your Park tri-hex is bent too. Stop using them as pry bars.
In my opinion, the reason for the chain to drop on the outside of the cranks aside from set up issues is the shape of the outer derailleur cage
From experience, ive found using the alignment tool is good to align the derailer with the sprocket, but leaves the derailer too high off the large chainring. Manually adjusting the derailer to between 1.5mm to 2mm above the large chain works best from my experience.
Thanks really good video and a definite plus one for you to show work on the rear derailleur
thank you!!
Thanks for how to adjust the FD. I need to check this because I've had a few inside overshifts.
Now I need to know how to get that plastic thingy so I can set the height right .
Grant, what a goofball love the acting!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahhahah
Yes please more tutorials as well!!!
I like these Mechanic tip videos. Good stuff, thanks.
Did anybody else found themselves tilling your head to get a better look when GC was doing a close up….lmao 🤪🤣😂
hahahah
I have an orbeya orca.I fight my front chain ring every time I go for a ride.I just wouldn't check.I have that little support, but it's not even touching the frame.It's almost touching the tire now.I will put my bike back on my bike.Stand and readjust everything like you've showed me.Thank you for this video.I appreciate it
This was a great video and perfect timing! Not only am I just finishing my first full build but my other bike has been dropping the chain. Will do this later today! Also is there a way or is it possible to use a 10/36 cassette with a Red axs derailleur or am I actually limited to a 10/33.
Usually the 10-33-max SRAM RD will work with 10-36 cassette, but it depends on the bike/derailleur hanger...
Or you can wait for the new SRAM Red coming next week, that one will have Red 10-36 cassette/RD combo :)
I hope it helps
One of the best videos for FD setup on SRAM I have seen! A+++++
I am changing out my Rival AXS to full Force D2 this fall and my Rival FD has that frame block and I assume it will be reused on the Force FD????
Très simple le réglage de SRAM merci pour ta vidéo :)
you are welcome
Don't ever increase your video production 😂😂😂😂. We love you and the thumbnail is jokes
lol I am happy you all love it
I've yet to have a chain drop on the updated Force group. My Rival front mech drops all the time so I'm definitely going to use your tip.
I wish Shimano makes that same tool. Although I've never had issue installing Shimano FD.
To be fair, I've never had much difficulty (if any) installing any front derailleur. Shimano front derailleur installation is so straight-to-the-point.
I haver a brand new 2024 Specialized Allez Sprint frameset that I had a high end shop build for me with a new full SRAM Rival groupset. I drop the chain to the inside on my first ride and On my second ride. I'm a decent mechanic. I am the only one that my girlfriend will let touch her S-WORKS with SRAM RED. So when I looked at mine, it looks perfectly set up. I'm adding a chain catcher to mine. The only thing the shop owner has to say is "If everything is set up perfectly, SRAM is a little more sensitive to shifting under power than Shimano. Even the pro's drop chains. Just back off a little more that you would with a Shimano."
I mean that sounds crappy, have you tried bringing in the low limit screw? and it is not touching and also the height is correct, usually we don't have issues with dropping on the inside more going over.. but yes adding a chain catcher on the inside doesnt hurt
I think the slides look cool but I think they would be even better if they were more like recovery slides. Hoka was the first brand that I saw make them and they seem to be popular with runners especially after races and hard workouts. Would be sick to have some GC performance recovery slides for the drive home after a long ride
that would be sick, we could spin it both ways lol.... i use them when I go to and from a ride lol
Great video. Did exactly everything you demonstrated. Chain still dropping from big ring. 😭
Rotate the FD counterclockwise a few millimeter so that the center of the cage should be on the left edge of the chain and set the limiter screw so close to the chainring as possible.
I literally just had this happen for the first time yesterday on my felt. Perfect video timing :D
wont be the last time. i gave up and only run 1x now.
@@xyse247 It's been over a year and that's my first drop so I think my initial setup has just moved a little. That's about the same maint schedule I had with having to retweak the limits on mech shimano
@@ff2e that's the troubling part for me, i have been riding axs 2x for many years, and not able to trust it 100% is killing me. the tolerance of the sram front derailleur is just so tight.
Hey man, thanks. this video helped me a lot !
you are wlecome
Better yet ride Shimano on the road ride SRAM 1x on gravel or mtn
The opening of video had me thinking Phil Swift was going to pop up and say “fix that dropped chain with Flex Seal!”
hahahahha I was going for infomercial style
If someone’s watching GC for the fist time in this video and they’re not familiar with his sense of humor, they have to wonder who the f is this guy! Love your videos, G! And your sense of humor. The slides are cool by the way:-) Very Florida 😅
hahaha thanks so much!!! yea I didnt think like that, they are probably like this guy cant be serious with that acting
For everyone performing this SRAM front derailleur adjustment, please make SURE to use a NEW SRAM Powerlock when installing the chain back onto the drivetrain. SRAM Powerlocks are one-time use ONLY. I have heard of snapped chains causing serious injuries/deaths.
what front derailleur? :) No drops since going 1x
truth
105 di2 front derailleur. 😊 I've had no drops and i have a virtual 1x16 that keeps the chainline better optimized.
What about chain dropping when changing to the small chainring? Do you recommend using chain catchers?
yea look at kedge
I've had the drop happen a few times going from big to small ring going up hill. I've found with SRAM Force AXS, I need to pause a second before engaging the pedals after shifting in either direction or I risk dropping the chain. I don't know if this is a SRAM thing or the front derailleur adjustment. I know SRAM shifting isn't supposed to be as quick as Di2.
yes see this is what I am talking about us as riders can feel when the best time to shift and what we can do to optimize it
I just set my shimano di2 to synchronous shifting giving me a virtual 1x16 and completley forget the front derailleur exists except for the split second it does the maneuver.
I pretend my road bike is a 1x. I only use the front shifter occasionally when doing maintenance and want to move the front only.
After linking it with my garmin i can see what gears im in and it has a little pop up informing me the next shift will change front cogs.
Some of our pack riding sram - not a single chain drop on our tram with sram in two seasons. The system is reliable if setup correctly
truth
Brilliant vid my bike has the chain drop problem but only does it if I hold both gear change levers for 2 long if I just tap them it doesn't do it????.
Sounds like something's wrong with the circuitry, I've never had to press & hold both shift buttons. Have it checked by a SRAM retailer if firmware updates don't work.
Hi! Are you pro-used master link for sram flat top?
hahaha yes if it is new or used a couple times it usually good, but over 5 or more times replace
I run master links until i dont get a firm click. If it felt like it clicked on too easy, its going to click off too easy also.
I tend to use them more than 5 times. This is based off both KMC and YBN chains.
Cool Vid. and slides are dope. I'll take a pair!
thanks so much still working it out
I had ongoing issues, which were caused by the mounting bracket being spray painted. Once the paint was sanded off... no more chain drops.
thats wild, so weird
@@GCPerformance18 the bike brand, in newer models, doesn't paint the bracket anymore. I was hating on Sram so much as it cost me races. But I haven't had an issue in over a year now, it was really a simple solution in the end.
Do you lock tight your B limit screw?
I do not but i have seen people talk about that we have really cmooth roads here
I can fix it too. Throw the Sram garbage in the trash and embrace the proper Shimano bits.
lmao jeeeeze
Average blindly brand loyal brain rot
Will the AXS tool work with the old Red 22 Etap as well?
Cheers Matze
no this is new one
So enthusiastic 😂😂😂
If I attempted this at home, it would guarantee a trip to the bike shop and some choice garage profanity. 🤪
hahaha truth
Thanks. Does Shimano have a guide?
Shimano front derailleur installation never needs that kind of guide. Just set it up with no toe and 1 - 3 mm (I personally do 1.5 mm) above the large chainring's teeth.
nope jsut setup and go
Whats it with the SRAM chains dropping? I was riding for a weekend with a couple of guys. Almost all of the SRAM users had at least one chain drop in two days...
hahahha I do not know it is something with there front der design
One of the secrets on SRAM derailleurs is using Locktite on the adjustment screws. They loosen over time unless you fix them, and then you'll end up with dropped chains and scratches on your beloved steed.
nice good info
Hi, thanks for this great video. Wouldn't auto shifting from small to big on FD be an issue for sudden changes under load. The rider is not thinking what gear he's in and it suddenly shifts anyway. So I three chain doing this a few times. Would it be better to turn off enhanced sequential mode and just do it manually?
AAAAHhhhh fcking SRAM! from one of their pro riders. Says it all really
hahaha he was pissed that day lol
With my old cable front derailleur and shop adjusted, over shifting the chain into the cranks was very very rare. But you could gingerly shift it back onto the top ring but pedaling gently. You could do the same if you dropped the chain off the smaller ring by half shifting the chain back up.
Is that possible with electronic? One of the comments here was from someone that had to get off their bike to fix.
no, the electronic is pre programmed to move a certain amount, so I remember what you are saying where you can kind of manually trim the derailler with your hand by how much you push on the shifter, which was nice but here this is not the case, once you set it, its set
Thx for the video, would be cool if you do 1 for the rear derailleur, high and low screw and index de derailleur please ?
sounds good thanks so much
Nicley done GC. Very helpful. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
My Shimano bikes rarely drop their chain. My SRAM bikes frequently drop their chain. Oh, Shimano hoods are more comfortable too.
Will this work with 11 speed sram red etap front derailleur ? What's the part number?? Thank you
no it will not
@@GCPerformance18 Just found they made this part for sram red etap 11 speed. it is a different part number.
That was awesome! Thanks!
You're welcome!
Do you have a recommendation for which SRAM wedge you would use on a SL8. None of mine seem to match
should be the middle one
jump to 0:00 for the secret: buy Shimano.
Super timing! I'm building a new bike and had been agonizing for days on if I wanted to do an Ultegra or Red groupset - finally choosing red since I was too lazy to do the DI2 cable routing. Dropped chains were my main hold up.
I wound up getting a SRAM force FD to go with the Red stuff just for the slightly improved shifting performance
Route two tiny cables once (5min) vs chain drops for life.
You have chosen………. poorly.
@@BrianMcDonald Yep - I'm running Rival FD with all Red for this reason
thank you, where can i find that small piece or whats the official name of that piece so i can look for it. By the way i ride a VR RCR force axs !
Dammm I rode that bike for a while it’s fun. Ask your dealer for it they can order
@@GCPerformance18 mate, my dealer is decathlon in france, trust me its better if i make the research myself 🤭
On a Colnago C68 the Sram height guide tool mounts the mech too low, because of the laid back angle of that frames seat-tube (you have to manually nudge mech up a bit)
Yeah, it's not perfect. In my case, there's too much toe-in when set up with the guide, so I always had to refine the adjustment manually.
yea some bikes it is not always exact like some enthusiast brands but it is a great starting point
I like your channel, great stuff usually but this video was weird. All the steps you mentioned including the "plastic piece" is included in the SRAM official installation video.
I've done multiple SRAM AXS bikes and never had a chain drop. Only drops been in Shimano bikes. Also I haven't heard any of my friends having problems.
Is this a problem only for the shops/guys/pro-teams who don't follow the instructions???
You would be suprised how many customers bikes come into my store who don’t not set up the front der correctly, we don’t experience a lot of chain drop here because no one shifts front der but a lot of people talk about this
for me, it drops in the other direction - between small ring and bottom bracket shell. Even with a K-edge chain catcher it, somehow, still drops between the small-ring and BB shell.
Sounds like the chain catcher was not installed properly if there was enough space for the chain to go down still.
Buen video , y muy bien explicado . Enhorabuena !!!
There is one huge problem with this whole installing concept: sram brought to the market this tool way after they launched axs groupsets, which means they didnt develop the tool with the fd at the same time. It works sometimes, sometimes you have to struggle with it.
Next video: how sram 1X can't hold the damn chain going over a bump. Super aero tho
Ive raced AXS 1x in crits and gravel.....I guess I'm one of those that has never had it happened.
I mean, the only time that's happened to me is when my chain has bent...... so that's a you problem. I race almost exclusively 1x Sram, whether is CX, MTB, road, TT, and any of the groups it doesn't matter. No issues here.
It happens when you have worn NW chainring.
What are you yapping about
Assuming you know about next Wednesdays release, one might infer from this video-which seems to address the difficulty setting up current Sram front mechs-that the soon to be released Red overcomes these often encountered issu
Helpful thank you 👍
Glad it helped
Nice video. Thank you
Glad you liked it
Been riding 2 by and 3 by shimano my whole life never had issues with chain drop