New SRAM Force AXS Groupset 2023 Ridden & Rated // What's Changed & Is It Any Good!?
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- The 2023 Sram Force AXS groupset is here, here are the major changes and our first ride review of Sram's second-tier road and gravel groupset. (Sram Force sits above Sram Rival and below Sram Red)
The new Sram Force AXS 2023 groupset brings aesthetic as well as functional changes but is it a winning blow in the Sram vs Shimano groupset battle? Sram Force is designed to work with both road bikes and gravel bikes Sram has stuck with a 12-speed cassette but revised the shifters and front shifting, is this enough to make 2023 Sram Force AXS the best road bike or gravel groupset in the world? Sram Force lines up head to head with Shimano Ultegra Di2.
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0:00 Introduction to Sram Force
0:27 Changes to Sram Force
2:00 Is the new Sram Force AXS any good?
9:23 More shiny stuff! Sram Red
9:59 Sram Force Conclusion
10:33 Sram Force final thoughts
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As a former SRAM Force 22 _mechanical_ rider, I wish they'd continue to develop & sell decent mechanical groupsets ... oh well
Can't see that becoming a reality any time soon :(
Sadly I agree with you.
Hey, there is always campy! Keep CAMPY alive! Bc of all of this electronic nonsense, I will be moving over from ultegra to campy myself!
Don’t forget to charge your bike y’all 🪫
I liked the old Force levers better. Having worked at Trek, I've ridden everything. Literally. Campy, Sram, Shimano, FSA, Rotor, all of it. And I know what I like. Shimanos new levers are better, but I like the feel of the bigger levers on the old Force and Red. I have both Force and Red on my bikes. When it comes to looks, I like the looks of the new chainrings. But I like Red axs chainrings better. When it comes to colors, I mildly agree this looks better, but I think it partially depends on the bike it's on. I strongly think the rear derailleur looks better now, along with the cranks. But I feel like the shifters and front derailleur are lacking. Same with the calipers. And finally, I can't wait to grab one of those chains and cassettes for my Red AXS bike. Blingy. Ive been watching those cassettes since before they came out.
Love the oil slick cassette+chain combo design, can't wait to get my hands on those.
I got a set...it's gorgeous!
Loved this review
I actually like the old Force look meaning the choice to change front rings if one of them wear out. But like this new Hood Brake design.
Love it all! It kills current Red but not future Red. Actually something I dislike is the smaller chainrings. For most users the current offerings are applicable and relevant. However for racers, I’m sure bigger rings would be appreciated. Sure yes the biggest gear is comparable to that of a 53-11 but what about the other gears? I’ve always found the smaller rings leave me searching for gears and nearly all of them are less efficient via smaller rings. I digress, this is a very good update!
It’s nice that the 50/37 rings have now been introduced to force, a 50-10 should give the same gear as a 55/11
I disagree with the idea that SRAM is not being used on dream builds because of aesthetics. It's the weight. On paper SRAM Force AXS is still over 250g heavier than Ultegra R8100, but they're nearly the same price. How much does it cost to cut 250g elsewhere on the bike without compromising aero performance? It doesn't shift smoother, it isn't easier or cheaper to maintain (thank to DOT fluid brakes, integrated rings, and weird standards like XD drivers and their 12S chain pitch), it isn't more aero, and the drivetrain is arguably less efficient.
I think it's pretty straightforward why SRAM is undesirable.
Back in the day, SRAM Force 22 was almost as light as Dura-Ace and cheaper than Ultegra. The shifting was kind of rough but you got a lot of bang for your buck. Now what do we get?
finally someone with a brain!
It’s simple. Batteries are heavy. If the industry is saying we have to go with fully wireless, we have to have heavy groupsets. I mean look at that huge front derailleur, with the block of electronics and battery plonked on top of it. I get it, it’s smoother, quicker shifting (apparently), but I don’t race and my old mechanical mech, which I use daily, shifts lovely and smooth (or maybe I just have an excellent local bike mechanic 😂)
I agree with your disagreement.
Its down to price, availability and support.
DI2 is far cheaper than SRAM and the components are far cheaper. $300-$400 for an XDR hub 12 speed cassette vs a $100 max for a Shimano 12-speed.
I do have SRAM on a S-Works Tarmac but the winter bike is going back to Shimano as I can nearly buy a groupset for the cost of replacing just a front and rear DR from SRAM.
Plus the advantage of not using DUB BB which dont last at all. Our club mechanic said something about the DUB wall bneing too thin and the bearings distort the wall earlier than they should. 10k miles and I'm on my second DUB BB and 90% of that was summer riding.
Yep - and old Red 11speed mechanical was quite a bit lighter than the Dura Ace equivalent.
SRAM just killed the environment with some disposable power meters :)
The sea turtles needed a matching black power meter around their neck to go with the disposable blips that’s already clipped on their ears 😭
Everything is disposable on SRAM including the mechs. They wont repair and just tell you to buy a new one at $600 or $400.
Integrated power meter is a dumb move. Like you say, big chainring does last a bit, but it will wear after a few years of daily use. Glad to see the price has stayed the same though. Shimano, take note.
New XX1 in the Video! Nice 😊
Excellent review. The groupset seems to be a small bits from everywhere rather than a new one. Depending on the breaking efficiency and the notorious noise from the rear cassette, the gap with ultegra is widened
the only noise came from the old black colored force cassette. I have red and rival cassettes and they are super quiet. And I have a force axs 1x on gravel bike and it doesnt make a noise. I own Di2 as well...and it too is just as wonderful of a groupset. But I find functionally....they are comparable
I have a feeling Red will look different. All this means is that Rival is what 105 mechanical use to be for electronic group-sets. Greatest value group-set rival axs. This one looks like rival 2.0.
Do you know if the new levers are compatible with original red etap 22 (I think they made the axs version compatible a while ago) ? looks like a nice option, I've been toying with upgarding to 12 speed andd a classified hub, this might just be the one I go for. I just wish the levers where classified compatible as well. or do I wait for GRX 12 speed....
I love the old Force looks
Can we talk about what's happening at 5:00? Is that the new Eagle AXS cassette and derailleur only seen in "spy" photos and hasn't been announced yet? Uh, please show more. Thank you.
Hope there release the eagle axs Soon.cain’t wait 😅
It looks good. The chainring looks so much better now. Go out and get it people.
If it didn't have an integrated PM I would. Already have a perfectly good $400 Force spider I'd love to use but alas, I cannot.
I like how no one is pointing out that the power meter is integrated into the chainring. Meaning if the chainring goes bad, then you have to get a new power meter as well. Crazy decision 🤦🤦🤦
just watch the video he is clearly pointing it out
@@Gufolicious I do not think that is emphasized enough. This should not be something we as consumers need to over look. This is ridiculous
@@pilikiosuafoa1727 what do you want? a yellow warning sticker on the box?
Sorry we’ll shout it louder next time!
It's still an 8 bolt fixing underneath.
You could buy an older spider and use aftermarket rings like Rotor?
What are the costs of chains and cassettes? The only replacement cassettes I have found were almost twice the cost of an ultegra cassette... hopefully I am wrong...really want to seriously consider going this direction on my next bike
not a fan of sram but boy up there good at sales. nice one
I suppose you could purchase the new Force group set minus the crankset and use the Rival Power Meter one instead. Or just use a pedal based power meter if there is Force non-power meter crankset.
You could indeed, or the older generation force if you were worried about weight
@@roadcc But the best change is the look of the chainring. Sad that I can't upgrade to that and use my old spider PM. Sigh. I did get new D2 crank arms though, so at least those fugly gray ones will be gone.
Unaware of this upgrade I just ordered a Force groupset a few days ago. Lucky me they didn't change anything relevant 🙂
They may have fixed the front shifting. Not sure how...
It doesn't matter what they did to improve it. The one-piece power meter/chainring set that you can't separate is moronic. Just another reason to stick with Shimano.
Thanks for the review; I keep on riding what I have: 105 mechanical/rim. Shifting has been crisper than ever since I swapped cables for Jagwire. No need to buy a heavier groupset.
If it’s 105 R7000 I’ve got a set on my commuter, cracking value groupset!
When you don’t care to go that fast😅
Talk me through the notorious chain drop of the current Force AXS and how this has been addressed with this new groupset? So many bad reviews and posts about people struggling to keep the chain on the bike and talking from experience I have a chain drop every other ride. I use a wedge on the FD, keep the thing squeaky clean and change the chain every 12 months regardless. Lost it completely and now swapping the entire groupo out for ultegra. Will never go back to sram.
mind-numbing to me that despite having crank-arm based power meters in the lineup, they still opted to go with the chainring integrated PM on the main road groupo.
I was also upset when the red version first came out... then after 2 years with one I realized it's a moot point.
@@drsus0 Especially if you wax your chain and keep it clean. I've heard of SRAM Force chains lasting 10k miles and yet to hear anyone I know wear through a chainring.
man, I am still on the 10spd but can't seem to readily find front chains rings anymore ;(
You can just use 11 speed ones.
Oil slick, holographic effect and sparkly paint. I'd say it won't age well, but it's already dated.
It's awfull
I like the aesthetics of the previous gen Force. Talk about ugly? Rival AXS needs a makeover...especially on its crankset.
@ 4:50 I love me a good cross chain on youtube.
Got to try out all those gears! No point not testing the extremities! Haha
Force drivetrain is an absolute nightmare in every respect.
But having to replace chain rings AND power meter every 2 years !!!!😲 😲 😲
I'd start looking at the 43/30 set up......
How do the wireless groupsets deal with being submerged in water, like can happen on touring
I submerged my Diverge in flood waters two months ago. It has Sram Force eTap and everything was/is fine. I did however kill my bottom bracket!
Why are people getting so hung up about the single piece chainring. They are single piece in Red for very good reasons. Aren't chainrings lasting 20,000 to 50,000 miles when supported by a good maintenance schedule? Isn't the inner ring best replaced when you fit a new chain and outer ring anyway? As for the environmental claims, isn't metal recyclable?
Does the front mech work? My red is change is awful.
Awful, as in slow?
@@yonglingng5640 Awful as in dogwank.
my force is flawless ... not are why the red would be worse.
i 100% prefer the look of the old one. but rival is still MUCH better value
Force hasn’t just killed Red because this is a slight face lift and a cosmetic update and there’s a hole new Red coming out soon.
The really important question is whether the new items are as unreliable as previous versions. A colleagues entire Force groupset died after 6,000 miles in three years on a fair weather summer bike and SRAM said they could do nothing other than suggest he bought a new groupset. They couldnt even provide spares as the existing Force was incompatible with the new spares. so if you have an existing Force, you are screwed from hereon in.
Speaking for myself, over four years I've had three dead rear derailleurs and one dead front on Etap AXS - and the SRAM support is non-existent. No serviceable parts they say and shrug that the bricked rear 'in a known problem' with the subtext that ' we have no interest in fixing the manufacturing/design fault'.
Avoid SRAM like the plague unless you like broken unserviceable kit.
How does an entire groupset die? The electronics stopped working?
The RD is the master component and everything else pairs to it. If the eTap RD 11sp died during the pandemic and after the 12sp was launched that would be bad. Hard to find parts.
@@cdanrun1 this is why I really don’t understand why we’re moving towards wireless shifting as the default/only option. My mechanical shifting works great day after day, sure I’ve had the odd broken cable over the years, but shifting to the small ring means I can always get home if I’m stuck in the highest gear. I don’t need to worry about recharging it or have the massive expense of that rear derailleur to replace when it inevitably wears out. I get it perhaps if you race and your after gear shifts that are marginally quicker or smoother, but for your everyday rider, why?
@@a1white Correct - the 'yellow light' brick is a common feature as is the 'dead as a dodo' when it just stops working entirely and no amount of button pressing or pairing will make it wake up again. Call into SRAM support and they confirm its a known problem.
@@a1white Most people have zero issues with electronic shifting is why. You're over blowing this problem.
How have you secured the blip buttons to the bars please?
3M command strips - they seem to be doing the job :)
Ok cheers 😊 did they come with them?
@@roadcc Any idea if the blips are compatible for AXS?
I prefer the old as dont need BS ascetics
Couldn't SRAM come up with new calipers to compete with the Shimano "Servo Wave" technology?
And what about th weigh?)
The one we tested weighed in at 2.896kg, 100g lighter than the old version - Full breakdown of weights can be found here: road.cc/content/tech-news/sram-overhauls-force-axs-groupset-299637
I hate that sram and still pushing 1x so hard even though their FD seems to work now. 2x is superior gravel. Range for steep dirt and the tarmac.
But 1x looks so sexy 😍
Imagine having to charge up a battery before going out on your bike!🤭
I suppose you don't use daytime lights to be seen by other motorists. Or make sure your phone is charged before heading out on your bike either.
@@markp353 No. I just yell at anyone who gets in the bloody way.
@@JamesSmith-qs4hx Fair enough.
WHY THE FUCK is the 10-44 only 1x =? i realy dont get it , so if i go 1 by to get a bigger in the back i am realy close to the "standart" road 36 2x setup ? why not a lets say 46/33 10/40 mainstream setup ? Yes with this you cant pretend to be a tour the france winner on you 10k bike but it should be fine for evryone else who is not lying about there own potential
Exceedingly heavy group set
Wear rate is much faster than shimano...
i guess i gonna be in minority, but new one is hideous looks wise (not that old one was any better).
We'll agree to disagree ;) We do think it'll date quickly though
Sram is good but aesthetically bad. Sram must work on crank and chainring design.
I love the new chain ring. The black is what makes it. The red is absolutely hideous
sram - the groupset of the people who couldn't get the groupset they really wanted.
Small rings wear faster FACT
Wouldn't touch sram again rubbish changing and the customer service was the worst in the world
It's pronounced "ACCESS" not A. X. S. You should know this...
Weird that you have a problem with this and SRAM didn’t…
poverty force 😂
cant understand that guy
Ultegra is lighter and shifts better for pretty much the same price - and it doesn't have the silly size chainrings and sprockets. It's notable that SRAM has to provide a Pro Spec 53/39 chainset and custom made cassettes to be used in the pro peleton...
But the PMs for DA/Ultegra are trash so all the pros have been switching to SRAM anyway.