Oliver Stone's JFK Lies! Lee Harvey Oswald's 1940 6.5 Carcano. Who Shot John F Kennedy?
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Who shot JFK? Magic Bullet? Lee Harvey Oswald was a marksmen. Oliver Stone's "JFK" was wrong.
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Rifle used in this video was an Italian 1940 6.5 Carcano
The video clip from 6:00 mark to 6:17 is SPOT ON. THAT is exactly what happened. I've spent over 30 years of my life trying to prove the 2nd shooter theory, only to discover exactly what is portrayed in the 6:00 - 6:17 time portion of this video. Gov. John Connally repeatedly said time and time and time again, that he knows for a fact that he was hit with the 2nd shot, and that at the time of the 2nd shot, he had turned to his right to look over his shoulder to see where the first shot he heard, came from. Connally stated, that he was "just beginning to turn back to his left" when he got hit.
If you look at the Zapruder film, just as the limousine appears from behind the Stemmons freeway sign, you see Connally is indeed turned around looking over his right shoulder. You also see his HANDKERCHIEF in his coat pocket. In the next two frames you see Kennedy's hands rising toward his neck (bullet exist wound), and you see Connally's handkerchief being "ripped out" of his coat pocket, as if someone had tied a string to it and "yanked it out." (Find the Zapruder film on UA-cam and select the .25 playback speed under settings). It was when I saw those Zapruder frames in slow motion, and I saw that handkerchief fly out of Connally's coat pocket I said: "I'll be damned... They were hit with the same bullet, which was the 2nd shot. The 1st shot missed high and to the right and hit the curb down by the overpass just as witness James Tague (who got hit with a piece of concrete in the face that drew a small amount of blood) said it did.
By the way... I own an (1940) exact replica of Oswald's rifle and scope. A friend of mine owns an exact replica as well. He also owns two other variants of the Carcano rifle, from the same years, i.e., 1939, 1940. We took them to the range. Using the iron sights, every one of them shoots high and to the right, from the use of what is called "gain twist rifling." By the way, the very maximum possible span of time between the 1st and 3rd shots was 8.6 seconds. It's impossible to know for sure, because it's impossible to know exactly when Oswald fired the 1st shot that missed. Many people say you can't get off 3 shots from that clunky old bolt action rifle in .8 seconds. You don't have to... You only have to get TWO shots off in 8.6 seconds because the first shot is TIME ZERO. And even though we didn't have a moving target, we were easily able to put 3 shots into the black at 100 yard in less than 6 seconds, and we're certainly not expert shooters. My research indicates that there was 3.77 seconds between the 1st (missed) and 2nd (hits) shots, and 4.86 seconds between the 2nd and 3rd final shot.
When researching the Warren Commission report, I found that when the FBI tested Oswald's rifle using the iron sights, it shot high and to the right. The targets they used can be found in the National Archives. My theory is that JFK's limo was so close when Oswald fired the first shot, he chose to used the iron sights rather than the scope, not knowing that the gain twist rifling of that rifle would send the round very high and to the right, causing that shot to literally fly well over and to the right of the limousine, and impacting the concrete curb near where James Tague was standing.
One has to remember that Oswald was basically broke, and that he likely had only ONE 20 round box of Western Cartridge 6.5 x 52mm to sight his scope in at the gun range he was reported to be seen at. All of the ammunition he spent at the range would have been on getting that cheap Hollywood Optics scope sighted in. He wouldn't have bothered with seeing where any shots hit with the iron sights. Who would? I mean... doesn't everyone assume that fixed iron sights are automatically accurate? After the 1st shot, I believe Oswald then switched to the scope for the 2nd and 3rd shots, and the rest is history.
Mr. Observation Man is 100% correct here. "If you have the Internet and you still think this is a conspiracy, you're not using the Internet, the Internet is using you."
I can not tell you how much this comment gives me faith in humanity again! This is everything I needed today. I have been trying so hard to just plant the seed in these people. Thank you!
Zapruder Film Facts:
Camera tested by: 1)FBI. 2)Kodak. 3)Bell & Howell (maker of camera) ALL 3 found camera ran at rate of 18.3 fps (frames per second).
486 total frames @ 18.3 fps = 26.56 sec long film beginning to end.
26.56 divided by 486 frames = .05465 sec per frame (55 one thousandths of a sec)
Kennedy and Connally unquestionably hit simultaneously with 2nd shot at frame 224.
Kennedy hit (head shot) 2nd and final time at frame 313.
Number of frames between first and second shots = ? (unknown at precisely what frame 1st shot fired). Estimated number of frames between 1st (missed) and 2nd shot (double hit) = 69 frames (155 - 224).
Elapsed time between 1st and 2nd shots = ? (unknown precisely when 1st missed shot was fired). Estimated elapsed time between 1st (missed) shot and 2nd shot = 3.771 seconds from frame 155 - 224.
Number of frames between second and third shots = 89 (provable fact).
Time between 2nd and 3rd shots is 89 x .05465 = 4.86 seconds (provable fact). Also, 89 divided by 18.3 fps = 4.86 seconds (provable fact).
Number of frames between 1st and last (3rd) shot = ? (unknown at what frame 1st missed shot fired.) Estimated number of frames between 1st and last (3rd) shot = 158 frames. (155-313)
Total elapsed time from 1st shot to 3rd and last shot = ? (unknown at what frame 1st missed shot fired). Estimated elapsed time between 1st and last (3rd) shots = 8.6437 seconds.
Been to the sixth floor. 2nd and third shot were turkey shots. Piece of cake. C' mon!!! I'm a firm believer that Oswald used his iron sights on the second and third. Remember, when the gun was recovered , the scope mount was loose rendering the scope useless.
Yeah,yeah....but what about pristine bullet? Really LOL!!
Not conspiracy, never happened. Oswald fired two bullets and the third came from left to right, fired roughly twenty feet behind JFK. The head shot was wicked, gruesome and devastating. Blood, brains, skull fragments, viscera was blasted all over the car. Everyone in the car was showered with the same, even the motorcycle cop was hit. Which has never been seen because Abraham Zapruder himself requested frame 113 to be removed. He did not want anyone to witness the horror he had seen. Because JFK was killed by a Remington .223 military frag round. Some of us know far more than we will ever reveal, and the American public is far better of in the dark.
So why are they withholding so much information from the investigation what's the big secret? What is the big secret?
Cause people's addresses are in there and trump didn't want to realase them yet
a lot of it has to do with foreign affairs and espionage.. cold war, communism, russia , cuba. its delicate information
@@mosin98k93 That's not why.
Good question
Stuff the Russians don't need to know. It was during the Cold War.
A bullet struck JFK, 4 inches down his back, at a downward angle of 17 degrees. If it had exited, it would’ve came out his lower chest, not throat. A different bullet struck Connally at a downward angle of 25 degrees. Both he and his wife disagreed that they were hit by the same shot. He said he was turning left when he was shot, not right. In 1959, Oswald was qualified as a marksman, which is the lowest level of shooting. The level below it is “unqualified” and you get demoted. To qualify, he needed a 190 or higher. He got a 191. His superior called him a poor shot. He also managed to shoot himself in the elbow with a pistol. To further prove the point that he was a bumbling idiot that couldn’t shoot, (if he even took the shot) he missed a completely stationary Walker from a shorter distance than the Dealey Plaza shots. You said “it was proven that Lee used the same rifle to shoot at Walker, as he did to shoot John F. Kennedy.” Another lie. Robert A. Frazier, an FBI ballistics identification expert, testified that he was "unable to reach a conclusion" as to whether or not the bullet recovered from Walker's house had been fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building. You’re deliberately ignoring so much and even lying, to have your desired theory seem true. Oliver Stone absolutely misled on certain things, but you have too.
You're right you did it! good job!
joshie sorry but you are wasting your time if you are trying to get observation man to discuss FACTS with you . i posted a comment pointing out facts to him , i pointed out inaccuracies and i asked him some valid questions . it was no real surprise to me that he opted to ignore all this .
as an example he attacked a line in the movie jfk where the character lou ivon said that OSWALD WAS AT BEST A MEDIUM SHOT , he called that LIES . however the marines had 3 rankings
1/ expert
2/ sharpshooter
3/ marksman
the highest ranking that oswald achieved was number 2 SHARPSHOOTER , which lays between the lowest rank and the highest , or in other words A MEDIUM SHOT . i pointed that fact out to observation man , but i guess he didnt care for that fact . at best his video is click bait . people see jfk and they think ITS WORTH A LOOK , until they see that observation mans video was not at all what they thought . and that his claims and comments betray his lack of proper research . ive spoken to other people for sure knowledgeable in regards rifles , they think I KNOW RIFLES thus i dont need to actually research the case . it doesnt work that way .
you are correct in your claims that
jfk had a wound several inches BELOW shoulder level on the BACK .
you are right that mr and mrs connally both stated that connally was not struck by the same bullet as jfk .
oswald qualified (in different years ) as marksman and sharpshooter , but he only (barely) achieved the middle level of sharpshooter only after INTENSE TRAINING .
his former superior did laugh when he heard oswald was the accused , given he knew oswald was a poor shot . in addition his fellow marines said he was a poor shot . they said he regularly had maggies drawers , meaning HE REGULARLY MISSED THE STATIONARY TARGET . and that was with a superior marine rifle and regular practice .
you are also correct that the so called walker bullet was NEVER matched to the rifle in evidence . in fact they took a sample of lead alloy from it and attempted to match it with lead alloy from fragments in the limo . THEY DID NOT MATCH . the warren commission thought it best to keep that information from us .
oswald did injure himself when a pistol he had (non marine issue which got him in trouble ) fell on the floor and accidentally went off causing a bullet to give him a minor injury .
but dont expect observation man to admit any of that .
@@fobrien1 your facts are the glove didn’t fit you must acquit. Your fax or not fax, Oswald did it. Good luck
@@MrObservationMan once again you run away from any discussion of facts . what exactly do you fear here ? . what scares you so much about facts and truth ? . dont they say THE TRUTH WILL MAKE YOU FREE ?. try setting your self free IF YOU ARE CAPABLE OF BEING HONEST . .
@@fobrien1 ooooooooooooo…..im so scared…. So scared…. So scared of the scary facts
The official version of events is that the first shot missed, the next two shots hit, and those last two were fired within 1.77 seconds of each other (sources vary). The total time being approx. 8.3 seconds (initially thought to be closer to 6.2 seconds but later revised). None of your test firings replicate the event. In your 1st demo test, the 1st and 2nd shots are 4.82 seconds apart and the 3rd shot comes at 10:52, more than 5 seconds separate your 2nd and 3rd shots. In the 2nd demo test using the guy in the field, without a moving target, similar issues are present- the gap in time between his 2nd and 3rd shots is too long-roughly 4 seconds apart. Then you use someone firing a handgun. These demo tests are not even close. You are not replicating the event. Oswald was graded in the Marines twice, in 1956 and 1959. The 'actual' score card shown is most likely from 1956. By 1959 his skills deteriorated, he was by then thought to be a poor shot. Marina Oswald's testimony before the Warren Commission was often so contradictory or implausible and was considered to be not credible. Years later she recanted most of her testimony, saying that at the time she was in a very difficult position and felt the need to to tell the Commission what they wanted to hear.
Yeah your wrong *you’re
@@MrObservationMan Wrong how ? Give details. You use a guy firing pistol at a non moving target to buttress your claim that the Kennedy shots were doable. I half think this video was just a troll, it is so outrageously set up.
@@marshalkrieg2664 thats me shooting the pistol.... The point I am making is for people who have never fired a gun nor been to the location (which Im assuming you havent because, your still seriously confused) My point is it's an incredibley easy shot that would not even require a scope. The iron sights are comptly useable even with the shity scope mounted on the riffle. It was such an easy shot he could of used the iron sights on the riffle. I think you have probably spent enough time looking into conspiracies, start looking into Oswalds family and Oswald himself you will find the answer. Listen to his radio interviews. Listen and watch the links below. Shoot a gun, go to the location, and become unbrainwashed. And realize how media does not care about facts. They care about views. If Oswald did it, the story dies. This video is actually not as much about who done it, but how stupid people are. Don't be stupid
@@MrObservationMan The main official version of the event is that two shots- the 2nd and the 3rd- occurred less than 2 seconds apart, which could not have fired by the same Carcano rifle, as the minimum time needed to fire twice is 2.3 seconds. It does not matter if it was an easy shot, as you say. The Oswald rifle indeed fires more accurately with just the iron sight- however, it had a scope, and it is said to have been misaligned to boot. When the actual gun was test fired, agents reported that it shot a bit high and to the right as well. Again- if you want to be taken serious on this matter, come up with the data that says the time gap between the last two shots was not really as close as most say. Otherwise, your experiment is silly.
@@marshalkrieg2664 Use your brain, the scope can be off and you can still make the shot in two ways, my scope was off and I made the shot, I chose to use Kentucky windage, I could’ve chose to use the iron sites right below the scope, either way I’m hitting the target. Also I don’t know if you know this but this whole event is on video. The second and third shot were not less than two seconds apart. If you want to be taken seriously you are going to have to use your brain. But no you’re right, we should take you seriously, because you have not only not fired the gun, you’ve probably never fired a gun. You’ve never been to the location, and clearly you’ve never watched the film that shows the time between shots. But because you believe in aliens and you watched some conspiracy theory BS we should take you seriously. Because you left a comment were you belittled me. Oh and you used the word official. You did it, you figured it out. It’s official. Hey guys officially Marshall has figured it out. Marshall figured out that Oswald was a Patsy, even though oswald shot and killed a cop right after the event and hid in a movie theater when he was supposed to be at work, working at the scene of the crime. Marshall has done it! Crime crime of the century solved!
You did what the best shots in America couldn't do at the time when asked to try it for the Warren Commission. Also, the scope on the Mannlicher was defective and had to have three shims installed by the FBI's weapon specialist to help align it. Another fun fact, the Dallas police committed perjury and filed false affidavits concerning the so-called spent shells around the so-called sniper's nest. They stated that they found three spent shells but photos taken at the scene show two spent shells and one live round, which has been admitted to. Another fun fact - Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry wrote a book about the assassination in which he stated that no could place Oswald on the sixth floor at the time of the shooting and no one could really connect him with the shooting. In fact, numerous Book Depository employees testified that they saw Oswald every where but near the sixth floor minutes before the shooting. Also, check out the angle of the shots that would have been directed at JFK from the sixth floor "sniper's nest". They would have to gone downward and to the left. There is no possible way that a bullet striking JFK would have gone anywhere but continue to the left. Not straight into the back of Gov. Connelly etc etc etc. Get your facts straight. Anybody who thinks that Oswald did the shooting is completely ignorant of the facts or a moron or both.
All three shooters that recreated the shooting for the Warren Commission obtained comparable or better results than Oswald (two or three shots on target, in a shorter time, because at that time the timing of the shooting was believed to be shorter) even without having ever shot with that rifle (they had not even the possibility to dry-fire it before trying).
BUT I have to say, this is the only criminal case I know of where the shooting had been "recreated". Shootings are NEVER recreated in criminal cases, because, on one side, it's completely obvious you are NEVER going to obtain the same result two times. On the other, if something happened, it's self-evident that it can happen.
Had Oswald been incredibly lucky, and hit and killed JFK shooting from 880 yards instead of only 88 (and yeah, a 6.5X52 Carcano is perfectly capable to kill at that distance. It still delivers more energy than a .44 Magnum at the muzzle), what the Warren Commission should have done? Trying to recreate the shooting and, had his three experts failed, concluded that the shooting was impossible and Oswald was innocent? Lucky shots exist.
The scope was misalighed of less than two inches at shooting distance. It's irrelevant in shooting a human-sized target.
Eyewitness testimonials in criminal cases are ALWAYS contraddictory.
The trajectory of the "magic bullet" had ben recreated countless times. It went straight from the window to the Governor's wirst and only deviated a little (at that point it was very slow) to reach the leg.
I feel sorry for Jesse Curry. He was so used and abused by the FBI AND CIA, that he did not know witch end was up. He totally messed up the Oswald transfer, by letting the word out about what time the transfer would take place. Absolute bonehead move, but he was probably getting orders from J. Edgar himself.
If shot from the back, why did his head fly backwards on impact and why did the Dr helping on Kennedy say there was a 5” hole in the back of his head and the Dr doing the trake say he was shot from the front until FBI agents met with him later on??? This guy is a moron thinking he can exactly replicate the shot from a bucket truck.
@@neutronalchemist3241 eyewitness testimonials are often contradictory. That’s true, but it doesn’t mean you can discount any of them you don’t like. Curry almost certainly knew Oswald was going to be killed. Look at his expression as he walks down the hallway. His eyes are fixed to his right like a bad actor who’s been told not to notice something to his left until it’s too late. That’s the problem when you are shooting a film and only get one take. You end up with garbage that you have no choice but to leave in the final cut. Then there are the car horns. What would they be blowing horns for in there if not to signal. First one is right before they walk out, second is right before Ruby advances to shoot.
@@trevorryan2591 Oswald being about to be killed or not has nothing to do with who shot JFK.
We are so far past the question of whether Oswald and Ruby acted alone, its not even funny, been there done that. Its been established since the 90s that they they most certainly did not act alone and the Warren Commission was a cover up committee, literally..
The evidence is absolutely overwhealming that Oswald acted alone. If the victim had been someone else instead of Kennedy it would have been forgotten decades ago.
@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 lmao
Deluded.
LMAO😂
@@JC-oc7um Unbelievable the amount of people who come to a conclusion without looking into it for themselves whatsoever. 😂 That goes for many topics though..
I only have one question. If it was only a "lone shooter" why are 1000s of documents still classified to this day?
Good point.
Easy, because they have methods and names in them they do not want to reveal. Oswald did it, and I have zero doubt about it.
Bureaucratic inertia
Classified to maintain the cover up. Hard to believe there's still people defending the swamp creature report.
Many of those reports had personal information like addresses, social security numbers, etc. So, they classified the majority of it simply to protect personal information. Eventually when the time is up the majority of what is left will be released.
actually there is only one proof that Oswald wasn't, he didn't have gunshot residue on his hands, which was kept secret for 8 days. Conclusion: it can't have been him. Over and out 🙂
yet he shot that cop with his handgun.....dummie.....
@@chadhaire1711 And you know that how?
@@radamson1 He shot a cop in the street with his 38 revolver.........
Wasn't found until hours later, maybe he washed his hands.
@@sebby-d6124 The test is not accurate---has to be done right away--it wasn't......
Who's fingerprints were found in the "Sniper's Nest"? They weren't LHO's, they belonged to Malcolm Wallace, a known killer who had previously been convicted of a murder and who worked for LBJ. Did LHO wear gloves or wipe down all the boxes he moved?
The "palm print" of LHO wasn't found upon examination of the Dallas forensic team. It wasn't "found" until several days later in Washington DC. Why?
The initial police on the scene, including a detective, said the gun that they found was a Mauser. Both on the scene first said there was no Carcano.
Do this test..... show me a bullet that goes through clothing, JFK ribs, front and back, goes in to Connally breaking ribs, hit the ulnar and wrist bone of Connally, deflects again, hit his leg, and somehow doesn't show ANY deformation whatsoever.
Explain how the amount of lead from the bullet still lodged in Connally, PLUS the bullet that allegedly causing the wound add up to more weight and volume than the round started with.
Oh, and after Connally died, why did the FBI stop the planned autopsy of Connally where the bullet fragments still in him could have been compared to the bullet allegedly causing the wounds?
Thank you for watching, but there’s not one legitimate question on here that won’t take you a few minutes to figure out by googling it yourself. Don’t take my word for it. Go to the location yourself. I’m not selling you anything. I’ve never made one dollar from UA-cam. And all of your questions have been answered in the comments down below already. But don’t take anyone’s word for it , go to the location. If you want to ask me one question and one question only I will answer it for you.? so pick your best question if you like.
The Warren Commission with Allen Dulles controlling the flow of information in and out was legit.
Complete rubbish from start to finish.
No Mauser was found, cops freely owned up to initially misidentifying the rifle, big deal.
Any idiot just looking at the bullet will see it is not undeformed, it is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side, a condition perfectly consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate.
The "honest doctors" at Parkland all stated the throat shot hole was an entry wound. Several nurses at Parkland saw a bullet hole in the Limo windshield. The Secret Service noticed them looking, pushed them away, and immediately moved the car to a secure location, and told them not to discuss anything that they saw. Oswald maybe got of several shots, but his bullet did hit the president in the head and anyone who believes it, does understand basic physical laws of motion. Oswald failed (badly) his first shooting test. After practice he managed to pass achieving an average score. Exactly what "LIE" did Stone make?
Oliver Stone in fact tells more than 80 demonstrable lies in his movie (list available on request, but is it really necessary???).
Parkland doctors are seen at their first press conference speculating wildly about the wounds, unable to conjecture about numbers, directions, etc.
Only damage to the windshield, still in the National Archives, is a crack caused by a bullet fragment that also damaged the chrome plating... from the INSIDE.
The idea Kennedy's own Secret Service had been approached and recruited to kill their own boss and help cover it up is laughable.
Equally stupid is the idea some conspiracy's ideal way to keep their coup top secret is by going around and openly telling witnesses to keep their mouths shut about what they are supposed to have seen, thus confirming to every one of them a conspiracy exists.
I’m a trauma surgeon who evaluates bullet holes in people on a daily basis. I can tell you that I am not qualified to determine what holes are entrance and what are exits. As far as the Parkland doctors go, they never rolled him over and never saw his back, so they never saw and did not know about the bullet hole in his back. They were never in a position to determine the direction of that shot. The only reason you put so much weight into what they say is because it supports what you want to believe.
@@charlieharris5920 read the "honest" account Jim Jenkins who was in the autopsy room. "Dr Hume put his finger in the hole in his back which was only a few inches deep but found no bullet".
The laws of Physics as shown by the Zapruder film, tell us that the fatal head shot came from the front right side of the vehicle, which cased JFK’s head back and to the left. He was hit in the right temple....shot could have only come from low right....the storm drain
This guy is full of it.
@@alwagner9722 or not. If you really believe that Ozzy Rabbit pulled this off, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
@@Superluckyhappytime not sure who ozzy rabbit is, but most debunkers are going by what I firmly believe is an altered version of the Z film. And I know you guys for some reason, don't believe that's possible. But stop and think, do you trust the US government and mainstream media and the information and reporting they spit out on a daily basis? I sure as hell don't. Not after the 1913 Federal Reserve Act.
Not after reading The Creature From Jekyll Island.
Not after reading General Smedley Butlers
War Is a Racket.
Not after conclusively finding out the FDR administration let the Pearl Harbor attack happen on purpose.
Not after reading the Operation Northwoods Document.
Certainly not after researching the JFK assassination.
Not after the Gulf of Tonkin incident (lie)
And the ensuing war with Vietnam that JFK didn't want anything to do with.
Not after finding out the CIA was smuggling heroin in the body cavities of dead GI'S out of Vietnam.
Not after the USS Liberty attack.
Not after the OKC bombing.
Where multiple undetonated bombs were discovered and reported by news outlets that day, but never heard about again.
Not after researching 9/11.
It took me years of research on that one for me to fully conclude that it was indeed an inside job.
If you want to be all onboard with the governments version of what happened in Dallas in '63, you can have it.
My gut is telling me bullshit.
@@Superluckyhappytime In that case we look forward to you explaining how some coup framing him knew they could safely approach scores and scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, ballistics experts, Oswald family members, doctors, x-ray technicians, photographers, journalists, whole commissions, etc. and persuade them all to obey illegal orders to commit crimes, perjure themselves by the dozens, and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason.
a) Direction a person's head goes on being shot is meaningless regarding what direction the bullet came from
b) Limo sped up abruptly at the same time
c) Kennedy is very clearly seen to suffer a massive exit wound at the right temple completely inconsistent with a shot from anywhere but behind
d) Connally's said the shots came from behind
e) Witnesses under the sixth floor window said the shots all came from directly overhead
f) Autopsy shows the shots came from behind
g) Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos
h) Storm drain would be a lousy vantage point
i) Anybody firing a rifle in the drain would blow his own eardrums out
j) Anybody firing a rifle in the drain would be absurdly obvious
k) It's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter from behind while shooting Kennedy in the face from a sewer....
We are 1000% sure that the last two fatal shots came from the front of JFK's right.
Front, left. Bullet destruction went from JFK's left to right. Entered above right brow going through right rear. How else would you get the right rear result recorded in autopsy photos and confirmed by multiple medical staff and doctors?
@@williamschubele2542 More than 30 witnesses saw smoke coming out of the Grassy Knoll at the time of the shots, 5 medical examiners present during the autopsy testified several years later, in this famous documentary which served as the basis for the film JFK, that the photos of the president's skull, absolutely did not correspond to what they had seen in the hospital
We meaning you. The evidence says differently.
Watching your shots. Kennedy's limo was a moving target. You are pretty much shooting at a stationary target. Same for your friend's when they are shooting. Stationary targets. There is a HUGE difference when a target is moving especially when using a scope.
The driver slowed down the car to like 10 mph as he turned to see what is going on. This is a fact. Then the head shot happened and he sped to the hospital. It was moving but very slow.
@@JH-qy8no shooting something movie 10mph is a LOT harder than hitting something stationary.
@@JH-qy8no The question is why did SS agent Bill Greer slow the limo to a near-stop after he knew that the limo was taking gunfire? Any layperson would have the sense to hit the gas and move out as quickly as possible. Greer could have slowed the limo because it's natural to brake when looking backward and behind while driving, but Greer's slowing the limo to a near-stop at such a critical moment only serves to raise suspicion because it gave an ideal opportunity for any potential shooter which of course is exactly what happened. BTW - ua-cam.com/video/Qpfh_M9Gjck/v-deo.html.
@@rufuspipemos True. But he had a scope and at 50 to 80 yards away his head would have taken up that whole scope almost. That shot was just about half a football field away. A scope would make it much easier moving or not.
@@DDEENY I don't know. In the heat of the moment people do weird stuff. I thought the same thing. Governor Connally seen sitting in front of Kennedy was the first to know they were in serious danger. He was a hunter and knew exactly from the first shot that it was not fire works. That's why we see him in the Zapruder film pivoting to his right and looking over his shoulder toward the TSBD building for the assassin's position just as he and Kennedy are struck by the second shot. He recalled later that he was in a panic as he heard that first shot. It all happened in seconds before people could process what was happening.
So, you're saying that Oswald failed to kill Walker, with the same rifle, a target that, presumably was NOT travelling in a car 1/4 mile away. Yet made three consecutive successful shots on a moving target?
OK, gotcha. Yeah, that's totally believable.
And Vince Fostor really did kill himself, too?
That’s the first thing I thought as well lol even though I believe Oswald was a part of it I don’t think he acted alone…
@@Ur2ez4me81 Oswald was a CIA asset the whole time. And the CIA didn't (and don't today) want democracy interfering with their Military Industrial Complex
Kennedy was a maximum of 88 yards away, not a quarter of a mile.
Oswald's first shot was NOT successful, his second shot was semi-botched, and he only got it "right" with the third shot.
@@aaronz7056 But doesn’t usually go your first shot is usually the best & from that point on it doesn’t get better? Just curious?
@@Ur2ez4me81 I can't help that, the evidence is what points to what happened.
He got over-excited and squeezed the trigger too soon as the limo went under the tree. He screwed up with the second shot but that shot still tracks back to his window.
He took slightly more time to aim more carefully with the third shot and got Kennedy with that.
Of course the shots can be achieved - in controlled conditions in an open field. The point is was Oswald capable in the context of the real environment, including partial obstruction from the Texas live oak in front of the TSBD (later cut down). Any accurate recreation would need to be done in that exact setting and with Oswald's own rifle, complete with its bent firing pin and defective scope. (Viewers note that you cannot access the actual window. Attempting to make calculations from the next window over is a useless endeavor). I notice you do not even attempt to address the question as to why Oswald wouldn't have taken a shot with Kennedy approaching head-on down Houston street. Too busy finishing his lunch I guess. According to the sworn testimony of his fellow Marines, Oswald was indeed a mediocre shot by the time he left the service. He worked at Atsugi air base in Japan as a radar operator with possible security clearance. This was the base where the CIA’s U2 top-secret high altitude surveillance program was housed. Oswald "defected" to the Soviet Union during the timeline of the CIA's false defector program. The extent of Oswald's agency connections is still not known because a large cache of files is still being held back, though by law they were supposed to be entirely declassified in 2017. They were not. Jack Ruby moonlit as a gun runner for the CIA's anti-Castro insurgency efforts, as documented in a 1963 FBI report. He also had ties to mobster and CIA liaison Santo Trafficante. There is not one shred of credible evidence to indicate Oswald's involvement in the General Walker shooting. An eyewitness testified to two perps in two separate cars. The bullet recovered from Walker's home was a a 30.06 steel-jacketed round. Walker himself was outraged when he saw The Warren Commission claim it was a 6.5 mm copper-jacket to match the Carcano. I've seen several comments here referencing the Mauser rifle originally found in the TSBD, to one of which you smugly replied, "that's not what happened." According to officers Craig, Weitzman, and Boone of the Dallas police department, the first weapon found on the sixth floor was a 7.65 Mauser. A part of the findings of the ARRB in the 1990s (which came about as a result of Oliver Stone's brilliant film) was a receipt for a 7.65 Mauser shell recovered from Dealey Plaza after the assassination. All of the above is documented fact and not up for debate. But you wouldn't know that, obviously. Sorry amigo, your 7 min amateur video doesn't negate 60 years of scholarship, coverups, investigations, and record releases. The fact that you use clips from the puerile "Beyond Conspiracy" is evidence enough that you have never read DiEugino, Newman, Thompson, Douglass, Fonzi, Talbot, or any of the other experts in this case. This is a real field of intellectual inquiry that you obviously have no capacity for. Please leave it to the scholars and dedicated researchers who care about real history and real justice. Thanks.
Rifle's firing pin is not bent.
3 shots over 8-9 seconds (as victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate) at a slow-moving target a maximum of 88 yards away is child's play.
Oswald scored 18 out of 20 in rapid fire at targets 200 yards away as per his Marines' scorebook.
Witnesses directly under the window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
No bullets or fragments were ever found that didn't match to Oswald's rifle.
Multiple and mathematically precise computer recreations by various investigators over the years have consistently demonstrated not only that the victims' wounds all line up on a perfect trajectory, but tracks straight back to the sixth floor window.
@@aaronz7056 Yes, and many other witnesses (such as on the grassy knoll and railroad workers on the triple underpass) say shots came from behind the picket fence...there are journalist eyewitnesses who said they saw (and photos exist) of JFK's limo outside Parkland Hospital with several other bullet holes, including a clearly visible bullet hole in the windshield. Maybe shots did come from the TSBD... but they definitely seem to have come from other places too. You (and the author of this video) are ignoring a large body of evidence to reach your conclusions.
@@ExVeritateLibertas We're not, we're dismissing demonstrably untrue paranoid conspiracy crap.
Here is a large body of evidence:
a) As the victims come into view from behind the sign in Zapruder's film and Kennedy is hit, within 1-2 frames Connally's lapel pops out, his hat flips up, his shoulder is driven down and his expression violently contorts between frames from the blow. One bullet, and, ergo, from behind.
b) Connally was demonstrably seated lower, inboard, and turned sharply to his right.
c) Multiple and mathematically precise computer recreations over the years by various investigators have not only demonstrated the victims' wounds from the single bullet line up on a perfect trajectory, but that they also track straight back to the sixth floor window.
d) Bullet recovered from the stretcher is in a condition EXACTLY consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, as it would have done, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate: badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side.
e) That bullet was matched to Oswald's rifle.
f) In fact, all bullets and fragments were matched to Oswald's rifle.
g) If the stretcher bullet was a planted fake, it was planted (within one hour of the shooting) by somebody who could not possibly have known a bullet needed planting at all or that he wasn't simply planting one bullet too many into evidence and blowing the whole plot.
h) Most witnesses heard 3 shots.
i) Witnesses directly under the TSBD sixth floor window firmly said the 3 shots all came from directly overhead.
j) Connally's said the shots came from behind.
k) Kennedy is very clearly seen to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the right temple, which is completely inconsistent with an shot from the front or the knoll but a completely consistent one with a shot from behind.
l) Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film point to 3 shots.
m) Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
n) Parkland doctors examined the autopsy photos and said they had no particular problem with them.
o) Only damage to the limo is a crack caused by a bullet fragment that also damaged the chrome plating... from the INSIDE.
p) The idea somebody desperate looking to frame this all on a lone assassin from the rear while having somebody stand somewhere squarely in front of the limo (where, exactly...?), firing through a glass windshield (!!!) and past the ears of a carful of witnesses as he shot Kennedy in the face, is obviously ludicrous.
q) Anybody firing a rifle behind that flimsy knoll fence would have been absurdly obvious to every person nearby and very visible.
r) There is no evidence for any bullet fired from the knoll ever hitting anything or anybody.
s) Again, it's vastly implausible anybody wanting to frame Oswald as a lone shooter is going to fire away from multiple directions.
It would have been impossible for Oswald to have shot anyone from the 2nd floor breakroom while drinking a Coke, which is exactly what he was doing while all the shooting was going on.
Exactly, well almost, he was actually drinking a Pepsi, three people that reported five shots saw Oswald drinking a Pepsi, Oswald was so angry that people mistook his drink for a Coke that he went out on the street and killed a police officer and then went and watched a movie. Meanwhile the Russians were in cahoots with the CIA and Cuba to hire Jack Ruby from the mob to go and kill this Pepsi drinking monster. Finally we can close this case thank you so much. There's also no way that Oswald could've fired nine shots from the second floor, Suizzy Baker heard nine shots. Suizzy was a well trusted local member at her church who sang in the choir... It should also be noted that Abraham Lincoln's assistant was named Lee Harvey balls walled this is no coincidence as the alleged gun is a man liquor carcanno = man liquor + balls walled = no way Oswald had anything to do with it. Thanks for wathcing
@@MrObservationManpretty funny how every one of your responses to reasonable objections is just insulting the person. Back and to the left, buddy. Clear as day. Did not act alone.
Not true, he had exactly the right amount of time to get down to that room after the shooting a duck into it on hearing police coming up the stairs towards him... after which he IMMEDIATELY FLED THE PLAZA....
@@michaeln2768 do you ever, ever insult anybody? Do you ever think some people need to be insulted? Have you ever had an original thought in your life? Clearly not you just repeat back into the left like a moron. His head exploded from the front enough said buddy.
Historically NO. When Agent Baker saw him on the 2nd floor of the depository (at least 1.5 minutes after the shooting, comfortably within the human possibilities. After all, Baker had the time to park his motorcycle, enter in the building, find a responsible and climb two floors of stairs with him) Oswald STILL DIDN'T HAVE THAT COKE IN HIS HANDS. He bought it only after the encounter with Agent Baker. It was shortly after the encounter that an employee of the depository, Mrs. Reid, saw Oswald with the bottle, still closed, in his hands. None saw Oswald in the depository after Mrs. Reid. None saw Oswald drinking from that bottle.
You didn’t address the several wounds on Kennedy and Connelly caused by the second shot. The magic bullet theory. The first shot missed. The third shot was the headshot. If Oswald acted alone, a bullet went through Kennedy’s back, out his throat (?) , hit Connelly’s wrist and lodged into his thigh. ?????? Sorry, this and several other things don’t add up.
Yes I did you just didn’t watch my whole video
a) As the victims come into view from behind this sign in Zapruder's film and Kennedy is hit, within 1-2 frames Connally's lapel pops out, his hat flips up, his shoulder is driven down, and his expression violently contorts between frames from the blow. One bullet, and ergo, from behind.
b) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been completely blocked by Kennedy's body, the bullet has to have gone completely through him first.
c) Connally was seated lower, inboard, and turned sharply to his right, the victims' wounds all lining up on a perfect trajectory.
d) Bullet recovered from the stretcher is in a condition perfectly consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs: badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side.
e) That bullet was matched to Oswald's rifle.
f) Nobody planting a bogus bullet at the hospital within one hour of the shooting could possibly have known a bullet needed planting at all or that he wasn't simply planting one bullet too many into evidence and blowing the whole plot.
g) Witnesses directly under the window said the shots all came from directly overhead.
@@aaronz7056 I am not going to take my time to debunk all of your stupidity, but if you pick your strongest argument, just one argument, I will debunk it overwhelmingly. After that you are on your own... chose wisely... Oh wait you can't choose anything wisely, clearly, but try.
I have been to Dealey Plaza. I was shocked by how small it was. It was a very close shot with a target moving directly away.
Same here. That was the first thing that I noticed when I got there. The distance between Zapruder's position and the picket fence is literally feet. It would be impossible for a shooter to fire from there without being seen or heard. The other thing I noticed was how much of a slant it is down towards the railroad bridge
The so called grassy knoll is just a small patch of grass with a few bushes. With the crowd lining the street nearby there’s almost no chance a shooter could be concealed there.
One shot then two rapid shots heard by witnesses, seemingly faster than with the bolt action. Could you replicate this timing to demonstrate that is possible?
First shot then a pause to reload. Second shot after reloading and at the same time the shot from the fence. No time to reload. All the witnesses said they heard : Bang......... Bang.. Bang!
That's it!
@@easyabc1404 No, not all witnesses said that. Karen Westbrook said it was bang bang.....bang. Some said the shots were evenly spaced.
@@marksesl MOST earwitness (but not all) heard one shot and then two in very rapid succession, including railroad tower operator Lee Bowers, Jr. who was positioned about 100 yards from the grassy knoll fence and stated to Mark Lane that he saw something e.g. a flash of light or smoke behind the fence that led him to believe that something out of the ordinary had occurred there.
@DDEENY He did not say behind the fence. He said on the embankment. He was talking about outside the lot on the other side of the fence.
@DDEENY Karen Westbrook, who was standing right there on Elm, said people on that side of the street all heard the first two shots closer together. The Mayor, Earle Cabell, said the shots were spaced 10 seconds and 5 seconds (hardly on top of one another). Howard Brennen said he heard only two shots. It was all a matter of location and acoustics. Pierce Allman, who was right across the street from the Depository, said there were three shots and all came from above and in front of him..
Lee Bowers said "in the immediate area on the embankment" near the fence. In Wikipedia, he is clarified as mentioning that this happened near two men who were standing between the pergoda and the picket fence. So this was outside the parking lot. He was also interviewed by Deputy Eugene Boone immediately after the shooting, and he said he saw no one shooting from behind the fence. We know -- with 100% certainty -- no shots were fired from behind the fence. Even Roger Craig arrested a woman for further questioning who stated she felt all shots came from outside the lot. Even the HSCA, who unfortunately bought into the bogus Dictabelt bull, said any shot from the knoll area MISSED. It's pretty easy to understand why a shot that didn't exist would have missed. LOL. You don't frame your patsy who is in the rear by shooting your victim from the front!!
The Warren commission claimed 5.6 seconds.
First shot at frame Z210 and final shot at frame Z313. That camera does a frame rate at 18.3 frames per second making it a total of 5.6 seconds. Some experts think the Warren commission got the initial shot wrong when they saw first signs of distress at frame Z189 adding an additional 1.15 seconds still doesn't come to 8 seconds.
Where did you get 8 seconds from?
Correct the Warren commission concluded it took about 5.6 seconds, however, the Warren commission did not have access to the Zapruder film. The House committee who had access to the film determined it took 8.3 seconds. Please don't explain frame rates to a film major.
@@MrObservationMan No need for arrogance here. I was merely pointing where to find the evidence so you didn't have to just believe me. And the Warren commission was sent a certified copy of the film.
@@badmoonrising8275 you are correct the Warren commission did have the film. They were just wrong about the time between shots. The Warren commission used some enhancement techniques to examine the photographic evidence, but scientific evidence after 1964 enabled the house select committee to use new technology to evaluate visual evidence associated with the assassination. The House committee also benefited from independent scientific work done by researcher Robert Gruden to clarify and digitally enhance and remove blur while enhancing contrast in some of the original images. The House committee, also had access to audio evidence that the Warren commission did not . Do we agree on that?
@@MrObservationMan Interesting. I will look that up. Thank you
"the Warren commission did not have access to the Zapruder film" @@MrObservationMan
they didnt ? so how then is it possible that they published frames from it in their report ? . the warren commission did not say 5.6 seconds , they said a minimal of 5.6 seconds , and if memory serves me up to a maximum of either 7 seconds or 8 .
by the way that you majored in film is one thing , what level of proper jfk assassination research you have is entirely another . anyone with proper research knows how fast zapruders camera could film . it was a tad over 18 frames per second . and any accurate timing requires a factual knowledge of the exact second and frame the first shot was fired at . neither the commission or hsca had that . it is assumed that the first shot was at frame z 160 , that leaves 153 frames to the head shot . 153 divided by 18 is 8.5 or 8.5 seconds give or take the odd point of a second .
For the record - Yes Oliver Stone is full of it! But, just because Oswald was a shooter doesn't mean that there wasn't a conspiracy. It is most probable that Oswald missed 2 out of his 3 shots and that the fatal headshot was from the front. Ruby / Oswald connection should be studied and Ruby did die in prison fairly quickly from cancer.
Head going back doesn’t do it for me. Terminal ballistics come alive during penetration. The magic bullet theory is sound. The fully jacketed bullet is highly probable.
@@300blk3 It isn't based on the head going back. The explosiveness of the hit is not characteristic of a cartridge such as the 6.5 Carano.
@@TheTruthseeker1231 that 6.5 fragmented because it hit 2 layers of skull bone immediately. They found the 6.5 bullet frags. The bullet cut across a section of skull fracturing it. That gave an outlet for all that energy to go. The venting brain tissue pushed the already leaning head back. Bullet fragments from this hit is what likely then chipped the windshield from the inside.
Either way, the bullet still came from high rear.
@@DoBraveryFPS Well that is your opinion - nothing more. It is very unlikely that the fragmented bullet recovered was the headshot.
@@DoBraveryFPS THAT is BS ! Fragmented from hitting a skull ? BS ! Look at that 1st Full Metal Jacket 6.5 mm Bullet that went thru 2 men & broke 2 ribs on Connally. Pretty much intact not fragmented at all ! The Fatal Head shot came from the rear dead center on JFK's skull. Read my post there are 6 things that point to WHY it wasn't Oswald !
This is all garbage. I was there when it happened (was 4 years old) and there were more than 3 shots fired, from 3 different directions. I was also a Marine later when I grew up and was a Rifle and Pistol Expert. I am a better shot than you, and I could not duplicate those shots. You do not have, "the exact same rifle" that Oswald used, or, "the exact same scope". You have a similar model, obviously in better repair. The exact rifle is in the National Archives and Records Administration Bldg in College Park, MD, and is not loaned out to anyone for any purpose. The one on display at the 6th Floor Museum in the Schoolbook Depository building is a non-firing replica.
Your rifle is an M91/41. Oswald's was an M91/39 with a slightly shorter barrel. It was only made for 1 year, in 1940. The Serial Number on Oswald's rifle is C2766.
Your "test" is invalid.
Oswald used a M91/38. You claim he used an M91/39, do not edit your comment when you see your mistake. You claim mine is a M91/41? what is that? Pause the video at :27 seconds You can clearly see my M91/38 was made in 1940. It is the exact same model and scope. I have had it verified by 4 different credible and professional sources that this is indeed the correct riffle. It is Identical in every way to the gun on display at the 6th floor museum. Now that we know you are completely wrong about that (because we have eyes,) lets tackle the rest of the "Garbage" you wrote. You were on the seen of the crime when you were 4 years old and thats your proof that there were more than three shots fired from three different directions. Well that would explain the confusion, I guess the cops must've interviewed a four-year-old. You sound like you are still 4 years old when you tell me you are a better shot than me. If you are a better shot than me then you would know you personally could easily make a 70 yard shot on a man size target. (even without a scope) Out of all the arguments you could make the absolute dumbest argument anyone could make is "It was a hard shot." You can put that in your pipe and smoke it with your White Rose Tobacco with its non burnt honey taste, and your Marine Zippo. Gigmaster thanks for your service and remember always sit down when you smoke your Brown Bogie.
Your "Comments" are invalid.
@@MrObservationMan WOw, that was quick. One post and you're already devolving into personal attacks on unrelated subjects. Typical of a lot of people nowadays when confronted with facts.
Your entire argument is based on the fact I made a small typo early in the morning? Sad...
The rifle you're shooting has the mark for "Moschetto" meaning yours is the TS 36" long Model M91. Oswalds was not marked with the "Mochetto" stamp and was 40.1 inches long. It also only had left-mounted sling brackets. And the custom-mounted 4 x 18 scope on Oswald's rifle was made by Ordinance Optics, not an unbranded Chinese-made air rifle scope.
And if yours is identical to the rifle in the 6th-floor Museum, then you did do something I can't do, which is shooting a non-firing replica that is not even the right model because Oswald was mistakenly shipped the longer rifle than he purchased, which was supposed to be the TS Model M91. The TS is what is listed on the shipping list.
ANd this is all irrelevant because there were more than 3 shots, and they came from different directions, the last being from the front of the limo, and they were of different calibers.
And no, the Investigators did not interview me, as I was only 4 years old at the time, but they also did not accept my Dad's statement, nor the statements of 3 of my neighbors after trying to intimidate them into changing it. It did not fit their narrative.
No one who actually did any real investigating believes the Lone Nut Theory. It was created by politicians for a specific purpose. It just amazes me how far people will go to avoid using common-sense and critical reasoning when the Administration tells them something. That explains how we get some of the politicians we have in public office.
I have little else to say, except you should probably think about what I am saying. I was there, you weren't. You actually 'know' nothing, just what you've been told. I still remember everything I saw and heard, quite clearly.
@@MrObservationMan You may as well quit now because you sound like a spoiled brat. Never been in the military, have you? You have no idea what it takes to fire a weapon under combat conditions. Your weapon is not the exact same rifle. Your "credible and professional sources" are as deluded as you are. Since you didn't name these sources, I am guessing they are some of your drinking buddies at the local pawn shop. As I said, you actually 'know' nothing. Only what you are told. I was there. I know what happened. It will all come out someday, probably after everyone involved are all long dead. Doesn't really matter much, anymore. You go on believing what you want, just like all the rest of the sheep in the country. At least now we know how all these crappy politicians got in office.
@@JoelBrothers Yes I was in the military. I served for the Russian armed forces from the ages of 18-27 I served with General Sergey Shoygu as he was not the ministry of defense yet. He was my source for telling me it was the correct, exact same rifle. He was also there in Dallas in 1963. That's how I know there were only four I mean three shots. If you keep spreading the truth Gig-master the Russians will come for you.
@@MrObservationMan Sounds like you may need to get back on your medicine. This is becoming ludicrous.
Then why wasn't the Warren Commission able to replicate the shots using Army, Marine and FBI marksmen? Also Oswald's supposed scope was hopelessly mis-aligned and required the addition of wedges to make it even vaguely accurate? He was supposedly firing at a target moving a lot faster than your trolley. The obvious shot from the "sixth" floor window was as the car approached the window. The target got progressively larger, slower and there were no obstructions. Why shoot at an accelerating receding target with trees in the way? But the best evidence is the fact that at least two shots came from the front (Parkland doctors, numerous eye-witnesses and the Zapruder and Nix films show that to name a few. And a final nail in the coffin, the entrance wounds do not match a 6.5mm calibre round.
“why wasn't the Warren Commission able to replicate the shots using Army, Marine and FBI marksmen?”
None of the riflemen used by the WC had any practice with Oswald’s rifle except to operate the bolt for about “two or three minutes,” and did not have any practice with the trigger at all because of concern “about breaking the firing pin.” But you’re wrong that the shots weren’t replicated. Using the iron sights, Specialist Miller hit two out of the three targets, the same as Oswald. Later, CBS used a tower and target track constructed to match exactly the heights, distances, and angles in Dealey Plaza. Also, the target, a standard FBI silhouette, moved by electric motors at eleven miles an hour, approximately the speed of the presidential limousine. “Eleven volunteer marksmen” were given time to practice with the Mannlicher-Carcano at a nearby practice range and then each took turns firing clips of three bullets at the moving target. All using a telescopic sight, which we know is slower than the iron sights, the average time of the eleven riflemen to fire three shots was 5.6 seconds, much faster than the 8.4 seconds we know Oswald had. And one rifleman hit two out of three targets (Oswald’s accuracy) in “slightly less than five seconds.” A weapons engineer had the best score, making three out of three hits in 5.2 seconds, meaning he was operating the bolt and firing accurately every 1.7 seconds, clearly besting Oswald’s marksmanship on November 22, 1963. on March 21, 1979, an HSCA marksman, firing at distances of 143, 165, and 266 feet, hit three of the three targets in “less than 5 seconds for all three shots”.
“Also Oswald's supposed scope was hopelessly mis-aligned and required the addition of wedges to make it even vaguely accurate?”
It may have been misaligned when he dropped it when he was escaping. He could have used the iron sights, which has been proven.
“The obvious shot from the "sixth" floor window was as the car approached the window. The target got progressively larger, slower and there were no obstructions.”
No, it was not obvious. A shot from the front would have meant that Connally was in front of Kennedy. From the rear, nothing was in front of Kennedy.
“the best evidence is the fact that at least two shots came from the front (Parkland doctors”
The Parkland doctors were mistaken. A 1993 article in JAMA reported that “the odds that a trauma specialist will correctly interpret certain fatal gunshot wounds are no better than the flip of a coin.” A study conducted by investigators at Bowman Gray School of Medicine at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, from 1987 to 1992, compared the post-mortem findings of a board-certified forensic pathologist with the medical records of emergency medicine physicians, trauma surgeons, and neurosurgeons. It was discovered that out of forty-six cases, trauma specialists made errors in 52 percent, either in differentiating the exit and entrance wound or in determining the number of bullets. In 15 percent of the cases, the trauma specialist made both types of error. As expected, multiple gunshot wounds (the situation with the president) were more often misinterpreted, accounting for 74 percent of the errors.”
None of them were pathologists. They were focused on saving the man’s life, NOT on determining where the shots came from. They were only looking at him for 22 minutes, in a frenzied, emotion filled situation. They never even turned him over. Dr. Marion Jenkins was one of the Parkland doctors who thought he saw damage to the rear of JFK’s head. However, Jenkins changed his mind after seeing autopsy photographs in 1988, saying that “the photos showed the President’s brain was crenelated from the trauma, and it resembled cerebellum, but it was not cerebellar tissue. I think it has thrown off a lot of people that saw it.” Charles Carrico was another Parkland doctor who thought he had seen cerebellum tissue. Carrico was asked if there was any possibility that the Parkland doctors were confused about the cerebellum (rear) being damaged.
“Oh, absolutely,” he immediately replied.
“Why?” He was asked.
“Looking at the shredded pieces of brain on the gurney, it looked like some of it had the characteristics of cerebellum, which kind of has a wavy surface. But because these brain pieces were shredded, this could easily have led to confusion as to whether it was all cerebrum-which has broader bands across the surface-or some cerebellum. “The president was lying on his back, so we couldn’t see the rear portion of his head. Consequently, what we did see appeared to be further back than it was since we were not viewing it in relation to his whole head. But really, none of us were looking closely at where the defect was and making mental notes. We were just trying to save his life.”
Another Parkland doctor, Charles Baxter, said that Kennedy “had such a bushy head of hair, and blood and all in it, you couldn’t tell what was wound versus dried blood or dangling tissue.”
Parkland doctor Robert Grossman, who said he was present in Trauma Room One during the effort to resuscitate the president, would later write that “the autopsy demonstrated that the cerebellum was intact and that the physicians, including myself, who had thought that they had observed cerebellar tissue must have mistaken macerated brain for cerebellar folia.”
Dr. Charles Carrico was the first Parkland doctor to see the president and to start the resuscitation effort. He testified before the Warren Commission that he made no determination whether the throat wound was an entrance or exit wound. “It could have been either,” he said.
Dr. Marion Jenkins: “I thought this was a wound of exit because it was not a clean wound, and by ‘clean,’ [I mean] clearly demarcated, round.”
Dr. Gene Akin: “[The wound] was slightly ragged around the edges…The thought flashed through my mind that this might have been an entrance wound. I immediately thought it could also have been an exit wound.”
“and the Zapruder and Nix films show that”
They show no such thing. Kennedy’s head clearly moves slightly forward at Zapruder frames 312-314.
“the entrance wounds do not match a 6.5mm calibre round.”
Bullshit. The head entrance wound was 6 × 15 millimeters, slightly less, on the smaller dimension, than the diameter of the bullet, which was 6.5 millimeters. This is so, Dr. Humes testified before the Warren Commission, because of the “elastic recoil of the tissues of the skin. It is not infrequent…that the measured wound is slightly smaller than the caliber of the bullet that traversed it.” Additional evidence that it was an entrance wound was the “beveling of the margins of the bone when viewed from the inner aspect of the skull.”
In a 1967 CBS interview, Dan Rather asked Dr. Humes, “Can you be absolutely certain that the wound you described as the entry wound was, in fact, that?”
Humes: “Yes, indeed, we can, very precisely and incontrovertibly.” Humes said that as the bullet “passed through the skull, it produced a characteristic coning, or beveling effect on the inner aspect of the skull, which is scientific evidence that the wound was made from behind and passed forward through the president’s skull.”
Rather: “Is [this] conclusive, scientific evidence?”
Humes: “Yes, sir, it is.”
Rather: “Is there any doubt that the wound at the back of the president’s head was the entry wound?”
Humes: “There is absolutely no doubt, sir.”
According to the autopsy report, and the testimony of Drs. Humes, Boswell, and Finck, the backwound was a “7 × 4 millimeter” oval entrance wound.
a) Oswald was mad but he wasn't stupid. If he fired at the limo while it was still on Houston in would zoom past him and leave him a sitting duck for the Secret Service agents behind it.
b) Limo on Elm was moving slowly downhill and would have been a nearly stationary target from Oswald's POV.
c) View from that POV would in fact have been clear.
d) Shooting was successfully recreated by investigators using Oswald's rifle.
e) 3 shots over 8.9 seconds (as victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate) at a slow-moving target a maximum of 88 yards off is child's play.
f) Kennedy is very clearly seen in the film to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the right temple consistent only with a shot from behind.
g) Connally's said the shots all came from behind.
h) Witnesses directly under the window said the shots all came from directly overhead.
i) No bullets or fragments were ever found that did not match to Oswald's rifle.
j) Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
k) Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos when they examined them.
l) Anybody firing a rifle behind that flimsy knoll fence would be absurdly obvious and very visible.
m) It's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions.
I have "read" all kinds of things about the MURDER of JFK? A: that there SUPPOSEDLY 2 Rifles found at the nest? B: That the scope on the MC rifle was "missing at least 2 screws" that supposedly attached the scope to the rifle? I remember reading that the MC rifle was described as " the rifle that only killed people by accident"? I remember a book that said witness on an overpass "some distance away" was hit by a bullet fragment on his face that SEEMED to suggest that the bullet was of higher caliber because of the fragment traveling such a huge distance?? Trying to remember the title of the book? "The THIRD BULLET" ??
Look at the work of Leroy Blevins Snr Matthew. His evidence blows this pantomime apart.
Warren Commission shooters (that were not from the Army, Marine and FBI, they were only from the FBI) obtained equal to better results than Oswald (two or three shots on target) in less time (because, at that time, it was still believed that the second shot missed, so they tried to stay in 5.3 seconds for the three shots) despite not even having had the possibility to test the rifle before.
In a famous test Cronkite did for the CBS in 1969, with correct rifle, height of the shooter and mobile target, even amateurs were able to repeat the shooting, still in less time that Oswald.
I recommend, that you read the book "Me and Lee" and also "Best Evidence". If you still think that LHO acted alone in Dallas, then you have a closed mind, that can not reason.
And I recommend you read "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner, which provides a thorough analysis of Lee Harvey Oswald's background, his movements, the events leading up to the assassination, the assassination itself, the aftermath, Jack Ruby's movements and motivations and a thorough debunking of all the major conspiracy theories.
Posner made some not hugely relevant errors in the book, which the conspiracy nuts try to use to discredit it, but it's extremely well researched and presents a very clear explanation that the ONLY plausible scenario is Oswald was a loner, with a grudge against Kennedy, who through circumstances not of his making found himself in the right time and place to do the shooting.
No other explanation is remotely plausible unless you're prepared to suspend your disbelief (like Oliver Stone) and basically make things up...
Right. It's always the other people who have closed minds, not you.
"I recommend, that you read the book "Me and Lee" and also "Best Evidence"."
Only those two books, no others? What about all the other books which present different conclusions? Is there some reason why those two books are more reliable than all the other books combined?
And "Me and Lee"??? The book by Judyth Vary Baker??? Are you out of your mind??? Have you done no research whatsoever into Baker's credibility, or to be more accurate, her severe and obvious lack of it? You don't know about how she often changed her story and contradicted herself in quite a few of her claims?
Oh my gawd, where do I start?
Oh goodness gracious me, well, let's see, I have to start somewhere, so let's start with some of her supposed "expertise" on medical matters. On one occasion she said in a public post on November 8, 2001, "I would like to see a list of people involved in this case who died of lung cancer, especially if they did not smoke, such as Jack Ruby. And how many heart attacks (sodium morphate)." And in an email to researcher Gary Buell she said, "Gary, David Ferrie told me about it. I actually believed at that time that there was nothing Dave did not know. In medical matters like this he described this as a method he could use to commit suicide and people would think it was a heart attack. There would be no way to discern it wasn’t a natural death." And in an earlier draft for her book she wrote, "And when you look at all the people who died connected with the Kennedy assassination, don’t bother with how they died- deaths can seem like heart attacks with sodium morphate, and a man can be injected with ether through the roof of his mouth and seem to die of natural causes."
The problem is that there is no such substance as "sodium morphate." And David Ferrie, of all people, being an expert in medical matters?? Bwaaahahahahahahahahahaha!!! There's not a shred of credible evidence that Ferrie was a "expert" in any such thing. This is one of many clues that all Judyth Baker was doing was selecting from names often associated with the assassination in conspiracy literature and inventing a story around them, just like many other people who tell tall tales often do; Beverly Oliver is another such person who immediately comes to mind.
Then there are the supposed love letters that Judyth claims she wrote to Lee. She produced said letters publicly, but curiously, in each case the name of the addressee was torn off the letters. The second wife of Judyth's ex-husband, Robert Baker, whose name is Rose Boory-Baker, immediately recognized the letters as ones Judyth had written to Robert Baker, not to Lee. Rose herself had sent those letters to Judyth's daughter years earlier:
"I have seen those letters. Judy wouldn’t even have them if I had not sent them to her daughter years ago. She left those personal letters in Norway when she flew the coop. There is nothing in the letters between her and Bob that would give any type of evidence of which you are implying. Quite frankly, how in the heck are you going to present a love letter from Judy to “Lee” when she tore off the name. She wrote many love letters to Bob. Gosh, if I knew now what I knew then, the box would have never been sent."
Oh, but there's more.
Lots more.
Get a load of her earlier draft for the chapter, "Before the Silence Came: Lee’s Last Telephone Calls," in the section about the supposed final telephone call she ever got from him on November 20, 1963:
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Because time was so short now, Lee told me there wouldn’t be another call from him unless he reached Laredo.
“Lee,” I said slowly, “you didn’t say until. You said “unless.’”
“I apologize,” he answered. I heard him suck up his breath. We were both very close to tears. Outside, it was sunset.
“You’ll go to Cancun,” Lee said. “You’ll stay in a fine hotel. I’ll be there - if they---” We were both speechless.
“You know,” he said then, “if I don’t make it out- you have to go on with everything.”
“Oh, sure!” i said, bitterly. I told him that I would never allow anyone to replace him in my heart.
“But promise me,” he said. “That you’ll have babies.”
“I don’t want to have babies with anyone but you.”
“Oh yes you will,” he answered. “You take home baby birds and feed them. So you have to
have babies. So promise me.” I promised.
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So what's wrong here? Well, for a start, there were no hotels in Cancun in 1963. None. The first hotel was not built there until the 1970s. Until then Cancun was not known as a vacation or resort spot. Baker gave herself away by inadvertently introducing this anachronism. And interestingly when this was pointed out to her she removed the "Cancun" reference from the final draft of her book.
And there are many other problems with Baker's claims that I have not even mentioned yet.
"If you still think that LHO acted alone in Dallas, then you have a closed mind, that can not reason."
Your comment betrays that it is actually you who has the closed mind. You seem much too quick to uncritically believe the claims made in a couple of books without taking the time to carefully check the original sources of those claims for credibility.
Typical conspiracy nonsense. If someone doesn't agree with you then it's because they are not as enlightened as you are. I don't believe the earth is flat, not because I have a closed mind but because of the evidence.
You can argue about the gun till the cows come home. But One thing that people forget or overlook are witnesses on the scene on that day.
How about we don't overlook Oswald
@@MrObservationMan not too obsessed with JFK like many people. Did have a view from doco by PBS about the life of LHO. From observations the guy looked confused n scared when arrested and just not like the type that has the steely nerves to pull a job like that.
Furthermore an ordinary lay n reasonably intelligent person wouldn’t really leave any cartridges and his gun at the crime scene. Nor will they box themselves in side a building without an escape plan.
LHO just doesn’t look like the type that can pull something off like that.
@@yogi9631 Exactly!
"But One thing that people forget or overlook are witnesses on the scene on that day."
Yes, and after having read through the vast majority of all the statements that the 243 Dealey Plaza witnesses ever made about the gunshots is that many people (most of them believers in multiple shooters) overlook the fact that they overwhelmingly claimed that all the shots sounded as if they came from a single direction/location. Oh, they disagreed on WHICH single direction/location it was true enough. Many of the witnesses said all the shots sounded as if they came from the TSBD and nowhere else. Many other witnesses said all the shots came from the grassy knoll and nowhere else. Some said all the shots came from the Triple Underpass and nowhere else. Some said all the shots came from the Dal-Tex building and nowhere else. But on the matter of how MANY DIFFERENT directions the shots came from, each individual witness almost always named only one direction or location for all of the gunshots, whether or not it was the SAME direction/location as named by other witnesses. In other words, if asked how many directions the shots came from almost all the witnesses would have said: one. Only 4 percent of the witnesses said they thought the shots sounded as if they came from multiple directions.
@@yogi9631 You are making the same mistake that I have heard or seen many other people make over the past 34 years in which I have been studying this assassination: you are expecting a murderer to do things that "make sense." You didn't know that it is a well-known fact that murderers often act in ways that many of us non-murderers would consider to be irrational or illogical? Who says a real murderer would have to have "steely nerves" to pull off two murders in one day, even if one or both of them are "high-profile" murders such as the assassination of the head of state of a country? I do not know of any statistics that support that view. And who says a real murderer wouldn't leave any cartridges and the murder weapon behind at the scene? Aren't there many documented murder cases from many different years in many different countries of murderers doing exactly that? And who says they would never box themselves inside a building without an escape plan? You didn't know that John Wilkes Booth, the irrefutably PROVEN (not merely "alleged" murderer of President Lincoln) did exactly that? He was caught in the end inside a barn with no means of escape.
"LHO just doesn’t look like the type that can pull something off like that."
In your opinion, which is obviously nothing but pure speculation, and also seems to be biased, since you seem to be operating on the unfounded assumption that murderers are "predictable," or would do whatever you would do if you were in the same situation.
While "Theoretically" the shooter from the depository could have done this, none of the evidence shows it. But you are not looking at the evidence. No one who has attempted these shots have been able to reproduce the exact hits to the neck and head. He was siting and only his shoulders on up was exposed, not a whole silhouette. LOL There were not 3 casings found, Lee was not up there, (someone else maybe), he was seen in the break room, no fingerprints were found on the gun until the FBI put them on from his dead corps, the person who said he saw him shoot the officer ended up dead, the "head shot" could not have come from behind, and there was more than one shooter, and more than 3 shots. I could go on, and on, and on. You need to do your research and see how many ways this whole deal was covered up, before assuming Lee did this solely on his own. There is more evidence supporting he DIDN'T do this alone, than there is that he DID. Open you eyes and research it all. You can't argue facts. Several high ranking people knew he was going to die that day, including LBJ. And all the documents that still are not being released because the CIA knows it's a cover up. And the papers that have been released are mostly redacted. You don't do all of this if there wasn't more to the story. Many people wanted JFK dead. He pissed of too many people, including trying to dismember the CIA, pull the troops from Vietnam, wanting a joint venture in space with Russia, pissing off the MOB, and many other things. All these high ranking officals wanting him dead would not leave the job solely to one man with that rifle where the job could be botched so easily. They had several shooters in place, and Lee was the set up patsy, just like he said.
You just watched this guy make the shots , are you blind ?
you have been fed a bunch of lies by people profiting off those very lies. you need to wake up.
@@Uprising771 Yeah? And YOU believe in magic bullets. I think there is way more evidence that shows it was not just one lone shooter and some mystical bullet that does the unexplainable. So it's YOU who needs to wake up and quit drinking the Kool Aide that the Govt gives you. Open your eyes and seek the truth. Study things before you just become a sheep that jumps off the cliff.
@@johngranata5515 Yeah and I also watch Santa go down chimneys every year, Does that make it real? Being able to fire a weapon in so many seconds is one thing. Hitting your target the way Kennedy was hit is another and was not done by one person. Look at the head shot, it was from in front. Or are you blind???
"While "Theoretically" the shooter from the depository could have done this, none of the evidence shows it."
What do you mean by "none," as in zero percent, of the evidence shows that a shooter from the TSBD could have done this? There is actually quite a lot of evidence showing that it was at least possible.
"Lee was not up there, (someone else maybe), he was seen in the break room"
No TSBD employee ever said they saw Oswald in the break room (or anywhere else) even slightly less than 5 minutes before the shooting, which is still plenty of time for him to get from anywhere in the building to the sniper's nest and still have at least two minutes to spare before the limousine came into view. And it was only one TSBD employee, Carolyn Arnold, who said she saw him as little as 5 minutes before the shooting, and on another occasion she said it was 15 minutes before the shooting. And no other TSBD employee ever said they saw Oswald less than 15 minutes before the shooting. So it's entirely possible that in reality he had much longer than 5 minutes to get to the sniper's nest after the last time he was seen by another employee.
"the "head shot" could not have come from behind"
Why, exactly, is it the case that it "could not" have come from behind, as in that being an absolute impossibility?
"There is more evidence supporting he DIDN'T do this alone, than there is that he DID."
I disagree. I have been studying this assassination since 1988 and I have honestly found that there is a larger amount of evidence that suggests the possibility that he did do it than suggests the possibility that someone else did it.
"Open you eyes and research it all."
That's precisely what I've done, and my honest conclusion is different from yours.
"You can't argue facts."
I can, however, argue unproven assertions, such as your mistaken claim that Oswald was seen in the break room too close to the time of the shooting for him to have done it, or at least that seems obviously to be what you were implying above.
"Several high ranking people knew he was going to die that day, including LBJ."
That is another unproven claim. You are masquerading speculation as proven fact.
"They had several shooters in place, and Lee was the set up patsy, just like he said."
Ah, but it has also never been proven that there were multiple shooters, although many people mistakenly think it has. And the majority of the statements of the 243 Dealey Plaza witnesses support the idea of a single shooter better than multiple shooters, and I have demonstrated that in considerable detail many times on the internet for more than a decade and am prepared to do so again now if I am challenged on this in the slightest.
How do you explain a bullet hitting bone without deforming in anyway not to mention there was another man under the bridge that was struck by a bullet yet all 3 of oswalds were accounted for. 🤷♂️
That bullet was different than any modern bullet because it was fully jacketed ball ammo. Ammo we shoot today is designed to expand, this bullet was made in a different era when ethics played a roll in weaponry. The guy that sustained an injury to his cheek was hit by a small fragment of something only.
1) Only 2 bullets were accounted for. The Kennedy Connally bullet, and the Kennedy skull shot.
2) the bullet went through Kennedy soft tissue first. A slowed bullet does not fragment easily.
The bullet in question was deformed. It hit tumbled and hit bone sideways, ejecting lead out the back and flattening it. This has been replicated with the same brand of bullets Oswald used.
The 6.5 Carcano is a long slender bullet. It inherently holds together well, yet tumples easily.
It was deformed; it was ovoid in cross section. The first bullet is believed to have been deflected by a branch, then striking the pavement and splintering
On "Cold Case: JFK" they had the Carcarno bullet passing through 3ft of pine boards and not deforming. They also demonstrated a Carcarno bullet exiting tissue or similar yaws just as the single bullet did. As for being "magic" it was on a consistent line a did much the same as the hand gun shot in the Rust shooting, passing through one person into another.
Stop being a "newb" parroting long debunked factoids. This has all be done SO MANY TIMES now with the SAME CONCLUSION yet people come with long debunked old stuff and offer it as some sort of revelation?? Get up to speed. Lot's has been done. Over and over again. It's exasperating.
@@DoBraveryFPS it seems the Oliver Stone documentary from 2021 is still full of BS then. Because a guy (I can't remember who) claims having shot hundred of carcano bullets through bones and none of them was as intact as the one in the exhibit. The history of this exhibit is also suspicious according the same documentary.
There are a lot to debunk in it. I didn't finish to watch it yet.
@@SearchBucket2 The biggest conflict for single bullet is that John Connally stated right after the shooting in hospital bed very lucid that he turned after the first shot and saw Kennedy slumped over (although hed did not say holding throat) and then a very short time later felt shot in his back with a strong force that knocked him forward and he thought he had been killed. Later being held by his wife still conscious, he heard third shot and saw red and flesh particles scattered all over the car interior. This is recorded and can be viewed on UA-cam.
I watched the TV presentation of the shooting after the network agreed to the gov't demand of 15 minutes to describe their version of events, the gov't presented the "magic" bullet theory, saying that it "ricochet' causing multiple hits, when we were allowed to witness the actual footage, my jaw dropped, he was hit from the right front, from the grassy knoll then other shots came from the sides, it was clear on the original film.
In other words a a shooting gallery!
The Dallas police Texas state police and and county police get made out to be the keystone kops ultimately by the involved secret service, Cia, and fbi. Most of which jfk was fixing to cut or eliminate their jobs. Figure in a vice prez that was so jealous of jfk getting the job, Nixon once stated they both wanted to be prez lbj was willing to kill for it. Add in fact that malcolm wallace was known murderer and connected to lbj and add a fat cuppa mob and voila you got a dead prez, a maintainence of the status quo and most are satisfied or if they aren't, are eliminated through the years to quiet them. By the way, lbj, Nixon, ford, and Bush were either there or involved in coverup or both. Ford was mouth piece of Warren commission) selling the " lone nut" bs).
The gov't never talked about "ricochet", the "magic" bullet flew in an almost straight line from the depository to Connally's wrist, only then, being at that point quite slow, it deviated a little to hit Connally's leg.
I've been in that window. It makes no sense that supposedly, Oswald would wait for the limo to turn down Elm Street such a distance when before the turn, it would have been a straight on, frontal shot with virtually no lateral movement.
I disagree. I think it makes all the sense in the world ,he was in a corner. I would want to shoot as he was going away. Maybe too much of the governor was in the way. Maybe he was worried about being seen. Maybe he was eating a sandwich. Maybe he’s gun jammed. and I have also been in that room and it is not a straight shot coming forward. Clearly he made the right decision.
@@MrObservationMan maybe you are discounting the mountain of evidence that points to a conspiracy to get rid of Kennedy.
Oswald was mad but he wasn't stupid. Any idiot would know if he fired on the limo while it was still on Houston it would speed past him and leave him a sitting duck for the Secret Service agents behind it.
I've pondered that but have a few explanations. [1] It's possible that he still hadn't decided to go ahead and do it. I know I've thought about doing something (not assassination) and then changed my mind only to then change it back again. I would think most people have done that numerous times. If you think about the last phone you bought I bet you fluctuated before actually laid down the cash. [2] He might not have been ready. After setting up the boxes and getting ready in the window with the rifle he may just have been too late to do it as the car was coming towards him. [3] With the car coming towards him he may not have had a clear shot. The drivers and passengers would have been in the way. There may have been glare on the windscreen. [4] Shooting at something coming towards you may have been more difficult than at something going away from you. [5] There may have been noise from within the Depository that made him wait. Someone coughing for instance. [6] A shot from the rear was just easier. With less obstruction. [7] Maybe, just as he was ready to shoot he needed to scratch his nose so missed the chance. In a movie he would be a cold calculated killer with everything planned out. Real life is messy. I've walked around my own living room and bumped into thing that have been there for years. Professional soccer players will score an own goal or miss a penalty even though they're practiced it a million times. Most people can't even type a single sentence on a phone without messpilling (my little joke) something. If you stop thinking like a movie script and start thinking it through as real life everything makes more sense. All said and done Oswald missed twice before hitting the target. If you look at other assassinations they are pretty similar. Humans are generally at least partial idiots.
To be directly seen by all the escort? People usually look ahead.
Did all of the physicians who saw the wounds on JFK'S head lie? If not, they all indicated that they saw a hole as big as a tennis ball or larger, in the right rear of JFK'S head. This can't be an entrance wound. The physicians had no reason to lie, they showed with their hands the size and location of the wound, each corroborating the others, no variation noted. The rounds supposedly fired from the Carcano were known to not fragment, yet a hole the size of a fist was in the rear of JFK'S head. I know the paid stooges will come up with something but unless you think 8 or 10 physicians lied, or each made a mistake and the exact same mistake, even though questioned individually, then Oswald didn't fire the last shot. That's what is known as game over.
Watch the Zapruder film and you tell me which side the big explosion comes out of
@@MrObservationMan The brain matter and fluid came out of the top of his head. His skull was cracked allowing matter and fluid to escape thru the top. None of that detracts from what a gang of physicians saw and stated. Did they all make a mistake, the same mistake, claiming they saw a large hole in the right rear of JFK'S head, or is that in fact what they saw? How can you argue against a number of physicians who saw his head up close? The bullet that killed him exploded, cracking his skull and making that large hole. The rounds from a Carcano did the opposite. They were designed to not fragment so as not to make horrendous and devastating wounds. How then, did 2 rounds from a Carcano pass thru JFK , one then passed thru Connally, yet the 3rd round exploded on impact? The first 2 rounds couldn't have come from the same weapon as the 3rd.
More conspiracy factoids. This is lengthy, but read it and get an education before posting nonsense. It's the testimony of the Parkland ER doctors that worked on JFK, knowing he had no chance to survive.
Charles Carrico, Resident Surgeon:
"This [wound] was a 5cm by 17cm defect in the posterior skull, the occipital region. There was an absence of the calvarium or skull in this area."[ 5. WC Volume 3 H 361.]
"[There was]...a fairly large wound on the right side of the head in the parietal/occipital area. One could see blood and brains, both cerebellum and cerebrum fragments in that wound."[ 6. WC Volume 7 H 268.]
Adolph Giesecke, Staff Anesthesiologist:
"It seemed that from the vertex to the left ear, and from the browline to the occiput on the left hand side of the head the cranium was entirely missing."[ 8. WC Volume 6 H
As an anesthetist, Dr. Giesecke worked at the "head" of the table, so his "left" would also be JFK's "left."
Marion Jenkins (Professor And Chairman Of Anaesthesiology):
...[T]here could not be any cerebellum. The autopsy photo, with the rear of the head intact and a protrusion in the parietal region, is the way I remember it. I never did say occipital." [ 9. Posner 311.]
Charles Baxter
(Professor Of Surgery; Director Of Emergency Room)
According to Gerald Posner, Dr. Baxter said to him in an interview Posner says he conducted on March 12th, 1992: "I never even saw the back of his head. The wound was on the right side, not the back."[12. Posner 311, 312.]
"The right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table." [ 13. CE 392.]
Paul Peters
(Assistant Professor Of Urology):
According to Gerald Posner, Dr. Peters said to him in an interview Posner says he conducted on March 10th, 1992: "[The cerebellum] is definitely pressed down and that would be the damage I referred to...." [14.Posner 312.]
But what did Dr. Peters report to David Lifton, a number of years before the alleged Posner interview?
"I could see the occipital lobes clearly.... I thought it looked like the cerebellum was injured, or missing, because the occipital lobes seemed almost on the foramen magnum." [15. 7 H 286, CD 392]
Malcolm Perry
(Assistant Professor Of Surgery):
According to Gerald Posner, Dr. Perry said to him in an interview Posner says he conducted on March 12th, 1992: "I never even saw the back of his head. The wound was on the right side, not the back."[17. Posner, 312] And again, according to Posner, Perry said to him in a second interview Posner says he conducted on April 2nd, 1992: "I did not see any cerebellum."[18. Posner 312.]
But Doctor Perry told the House Select Committee on Assassinations"...the parietal occipital head wound was largely evulsive and there was visible brain tissue...and some cerebellum." [19. CE 392
According to Dr. Robert McClelland, "The cause of death...[was] massive head injuries with loss of large amounts of cerebral and cerebellar tissues and massive blood loss." [ 20. 6 H 35.]
The Parkland doctor most qualified to report on a head wound and who apparently had an excellent view of JFK's head injuries was Dr. Kemp Clark, Associate Professor and Chairman of Neurosurgery: What did Dr. Clark report? "There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region."[21. CE 392] "Both cerebral and cerebellar tissues were extruding from the wound."[22.CE 392]
Let me pile on here. [(F7) Autopsy of Body of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy was produced by two Secret Service agents, Francis X. O’Neill and James W. Sibert on 26 November 1963.
Upon completion of X-Rays and photographs, the first incision was made at 8:15 p.m. X-Rays of the brain area which were developed and returned to the autopsy room disclosed a path of a missile which appeared to enter the back of the skull and the path of disintegrated fragments could be observed along the right side of the skull. The largest section of this missile as portrayed by X-Ray appeared to be behind the right frontal sinus. The next largest fragment appeared to be at the rear of the skull at the juncture of the skull bone.
The Chief Pathologist advised approximately 40 particles of disintegrated bullet and smudges indicated that the projectile had fragmentized while passing through the skull region.
During the autopsy inspection of the area of the brain, two fragments of metal were removed by Dr. Humes, namely, one fragment measuring 7 x 2 millimeters, which was removed from the right side of the brain. An additional fragment of metal measuring 1 x 3 millimeters was also removed from this area, both of which were placed in a glass jar containing a black metal top which were thereafter marked for identification and following the signing of a proper receipt were transported by Bureau agents to the FBI Laboratory.
During the latter stages of this autopsy, Dr. Humes located an opening which appeared to be a bullet hole which was below the shoulders and two inches to the right of the middle line of the spinal column.
This opening was probed by Dr. Humes with the finger, at which time it was determined that the trajectory of the missile entering at this point had entered at a downward position of 45 to 60 degrees. Further probing determined that the distance traveled by this missile was a short distance inasmuch as the end of the opening could be felt with the finger.]
Explain the last shot hitting jfk in the front of his head?
That was the 4th shot from the grassy noll.
@@laudarevsonhunt "That was the 4th shot from the grassy noll."
It has never been proven that there were more than three shots, and it has never been proven that any of them came from the grassy knoll.
Don't need to because it didn't. Except in movies.
@@Caeruleo according to the WC, right but those are cover up.
Let me ask you, how did the back rear of Kennedy’s head get blown out which Drs at Parkland clearly saw??
@@ronmarvicsin7709 "Let me ask you, how did the back rear of Kennedy’s head get blown out which Drs at Parkland clearly saw??"
I am aware of no proof that the back of his head was "blown out," as in skull being blasted completely out of the rear of his head. The Parkland doctors merely said there was a hole in the rear of his head. They did not say that the edges of the hole showed skull that was beveled outward. Also, you haven't bothered to mention that at least one doctor at Parkland, Adolph Giesecke, said that he saw that parts of JFK's skull were missing as far forward as just above his brow line, which is precisely what both the anterior and lateral x-rays from Bethesda show. You also didn't bother to mention that the Parkland doctors did not perform an autopsy. They never pulled back JFK's thick hair and scalp to view anything even remotely close to 100 percent of the damage to his skull, nor did they take a single x-ray of him at Parkland. Thus they had no possible way of knowing for certain whether the hole in the rear of his head represented the majority of the damage to his skull or only a minority of the damage to his skull. And which it was is obviously relevant, because the exit of a bullet is usually where the greatest amount of damage is. You also didn't bother to mention that the first time his thick hair and scalp *were* pulled back to expose all 100 percent of the damage was at the autopsy at Bethesda, and that this also was the first time after the shooting that x-rays were taken. Thus the first time that anyone ever saw all 100 percent of the damage to his skull was at Bethesda, not Parkland. And at Bethesda it was finally seen that there was more damage to the front half of his skull than to the rear half, something they would have had no possible way of knowing at Parkland.
So which group of people is most likely to know which direction the bullet exited? The people who saw less than 50 percent of the damage to his skull? Or the people who saw all 100 percent of the damage to his skull?
You also haven't bothered to mention that there is no photographic corroboration from any source that shows more damage to the rear half of his head than to the front half. Nearly all of the photographic evidence, starting with the Zapruder film, shows more damage in the front half of his head than in the rear half. By far the most obvious damage to his head in the Zapruder film is in the front half of his head, with those big, horrible flaps of bone and scalp hanging down in front of his right ear from the upper right front of his head. No damage even remotely as serious can be seen anywhere in the entire rear half of his head. And the hole seen at Parkland was minuscule in comparison. Dr. Robert McClelland said the hole in the back of JFK's head had a circumference of about five inches, which would be a diameter of only 1.6 inches. The horrible flaps in front of JFK's right ear seen in the film are much larger than that. And I don't buy the claim made by Douglas Horne and others that those horrible flaps were "added" to the film later. Nearly all of the closest witnesses on JFK's right, including Emmett Hudson, Bill Newman, Gayle Newman, Marilyn Sitzman, and Zapruder himself, said they saw the right side of his head explode, not the rear. On live television only two hours after the assassination, before he or anyone else had yet seen the developed film for the first time, he said, "And then I heard another shot or two - I couldn't say whether it was one or two, and I saw his head practically open up, all blood and everything, and I kept on shooting." At the same time as he is speaking these words we see him place his right hand on the right side of his own head in front of his right ear to demonstrate which part of JFK's head he saw "open up," precisely the same area of the head where his film shows by far the worst damage to his head.
So why weren't those big, horrible flaps in front of his right ear especially noticeable at Parkland? Simple: because after she climbed back into the seat from the trunk, Jackie had her husband's head in her lap all the way to the hospital, and she closed those flaps. Thus at Parkland JFK's thick hair and scalp mostly obscured the more forward damage to his skull. How do I know this? Because she herself said so. She said she was trying to hold his head together to keep his brains from falling out. To Theodore White only one week after the assassination she said, "I kept holding the top of his head down, trying to keep the brains in."
And see how she said she was holding down the "top" of his head, not the "back" or "rear"?
You also didn't bother to mention that although all four motorcycle policemen riding behind the limousine were showered with blood and pieces of JFK's brain, all four people riding in *front* of him, John Connally, Nellie Connally, William Greer, and Roy Kellerman, were *also* showered with such material from his head, and that material from his head also landed all over the inside of the car, and on the dashboard, and on the windshield, and on the hood of the car. And since the four motorcycle policemen were continuously moving forward, naturally they would have driven into the bloody spray even if the majority of it exited forward from his head. This is yet more evidence that it is more likely than not that the fatal head shot did indeed come from behind JFK after all.
Bro your obviously a novice when it comes to this subject...I suggest you watch "a coup in camelot"...... Oswald was exactly what he said he was a patsy
Read 'Case Closed' by Gerald Posner. It was Oswald, alone, three shots. Also, the psychological profile of both Oswald and Giteau (the man who assasinated Garfield) are nearly identical: exceptional narcissists who acted out when their visions of themselves finally caved in and did something to get the attention they desired. And I don't know how many times the single bullet hitting Kennedy and Connaly has been SCIENTIFICLY proved, but those who refuse to believe simply will not. It doesn't help when a mercenary pathologist presents an inaccurate diagram of the limosine's seating to 'disprove' this FACT.
First of all Posner is nothing more then a parrot when it comes to JFK assassination. He just repeats what the WCR says which has been proven fiction.
The single bullet theory ha ha is nothing more then a last ditch effort for them to answer the question of how do we go from three shots hitting the president, then down to two because if learning later after Dr Humes talked to Dallas doctors learning there was a throat wound hidden by the trac. That it when Aden Spector , not a Dr came up with the idea of the magic bullet theory. Which by the way HAS NEVER BEEN REPEATED IN ANY REENACTMENT.
They have shot and gel dummies and the bullet flies right through but it has NEVER come out the throat like the magic bullet.
Case Closed, never actually goes over the facts of the assassination. It hoodwinked the public into thinking Oswald was guilty.
No sir, I think that when you shoot someone or something in the head from behind his head doesnt travel in the opposite direction of the force being applied from the bullet. In other words I believe that when JFKs head flies back from hydrostatic shock I believe that the bullet flew in from the front and not from the cornering rear shot which the book/warehouse would have had.
Actually bullets don't KNOCK soft tissue targets like humans in any direction. You have been watching too many bad Hollywood movies. However a bullet passing through a closed fluid filled cavity like a skull creates a larger exit hole than the entrance hole. It also creates a huge increase in internal pressure inside that cavity, More of that pressure sprays out the larger exit hole and can project it a direction that seems counter intuitive. I cannot tell you how many times I have shot a gallon milk jug or a 2 liter cola bottle filled with water and actually had it hop forward TOWARDS me. I know it seems strange but it's still true.
Kennedy is very clearly seen to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the right temple completely inconsistent with a shot from anywhere but behind.
Connally's said the shots all came from behind.
Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window said the shots all came from directly overhead.
Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos.
Anybody firing a rifle behind that flimsy knoll fence would have been absurdly obvious and very visible.
It's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions.
It's the time between 2 shots it's 1.? seconds an impossibility. Everyone of the witnesses says 2 shots simultaneously that's the problem.
Handsome Stranger even the guy who was shot himself, the governor of Texas, says there were three shots, just like in the film. Watch the Film there’s clearly three shots, just because you say people heard two shots doesn’t mean anything, there were people that day that said they had dreams of potatoes, so what, it was a square, people hear echoes, watch the film they were three shots 8.3 seconds apart.
It's not a problem because the witnesses DO NOT say that. Read Bugliosi and Posner, and listen to David Belin's talk on UA-cam.
@@martinmcguinness7242 Listen to the witnesses who were actualyl there! Not Lawyers with an agenda!
@@MrObservationMan what film? The Zapruder film is silent. What film are you talking about?
Watch the film and tell me its one second. Where the fuck do you people come from
The TV show 60 MINUTES did a great show on "who shot John". My favorite part was how over time so many eye-witnesses and ear-witnesses mis-remembered what they had experienced that day. We just can't accept how easily an unimportant man (Oswald) could kill such an important man (JFK).
People like you give me hope. Thank you!
I think you miss the point. The argument is not could Oswald have made the shot, but could he have used the gun found at the TSBD? That gun had a defective scope, placed for a left handed user, Oswald was right handed. AND only two empty shell casings (not three) and one still in the chamber. Who loads a six bullet gun with three bullets? The gun was never tested to see if it had been fired that day, why not? Not to mention it may have not even been Oswald's gun.
No such tests existed to see if a gun had been fired.
Bullets were matched to Oswald's rifle.
No other rifle was found in the building.
Oswald owned and smuggled it.
A man was seen in the window who could plausibly have been him.
No unidentified persons were ever caught inside the building.
Oswald was the only employee inside the building during the shooting to immediately flee the plaza.
Etc.
@@aaronz7056there is no paper trail linking the gun to Oswald..None.
@@1320_ikimasho That's right, there's "no paper trail linking the gun to Oswald," now let's just let him off the hook for the whole thing. It's merely hearsay and co-incidence that:
- his wife remembered him practising the bolt on that rifle for hours on end
- he unexpectedly showed up at the house Nov. 21
- next morning he suddenly possessed a package he hadn't arrived with while the rifle teleported itself to the TSBD
- he lied to police about his whereabouts during the shooting
- he was a perfectly plausible match to the shooter seen in the window
- no unidentified persons were ever seen inside the building
- every bullet and fragment ever found were matched to the rifle
- his latent print was on the rifle
- he immediately fled the crime scene
- he took evasive action by cab to sneak back to his room
- he was ID'd shooting a cop and fleeing
- he owned and was in possession of the revolver the shells were matched to
- he was plainly seen trying to hide from and dodge passing police
- he was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop
- he was caught fighting police so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him
- he observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing
- he refused to cooperate with any investigator
- he turned down help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association
- he was only interested in a lawyer he'd never met living in another state who specialized in left wing causes
- he acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty
- he never attempted to blow any conspiracy framing him to anybody
- he just shrugged a hollow, unsurprised, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
@@aaronz7056There's no stamp of endorsement on the back of the money order, which means the money order was never deposited into any bank or financial institution. Which means it's a fraudulent document.
@@PatrickReagan What the hell did I literally just say above??? LOL
You said it. You fall in your own trap. If he didn't shot Walker with accuracy in much less distance and a lot time to do so. Why he failed
It makes no sense that the shooter would have waited to take the shot until the target was accelerating away at an oblique angle. From Oswald's perch, he would have taken the shot while Kennedy was approaching strait on or at his closest point of approach, while almost stationary. A shooter behind the picket fence on the grassy knole wouldn't have had a clean shot until the about the point where the fatal shot was fired. Oswald would have taken the shot while Kennedy was approaching on Houston St. When making the turn onto Elm, he was only about thirty feet away and almost stationary. No sniper would pass on that shot. No sniper would have waited until the target had passed.
Oswald was mad but he wasn't stupid. Any idiot knows if he takes a shot at the limo while it's still on Houston it would zoom past him and leave him a sitting duck for the Secret Service agents behind him.
The first shot hit a curb not a tree. I just watched Mark Felton's video on Oswald's rifle. The Carcano normally fires high and to the right because of the rifling and that's why it hit the curb. I would suggest reading Mark Lifton's book Best Evidence. Oswald obviously was involved but Lifton's analysis suggests there was more than one shooter. Whether it was a conspiracy or just more than one person acting independently who wanted to kill Kennedy and happened to be at Dealy Plaza that day, we'll most likely never know. Lastly, despite Oswald's pro Castro leanings it appears he had no more motive to kill Kennedy than the anyone on the general public.
Honestly, I think he just wanted to be famous, to be somebody, just like any of today's mass shooters or the even less competent and rational John Hinckley, Jr.
I can only imagine what conspiracy theories would be floating around if Hinckley had succeeded in what, under the circumstances, was an even easier assassination than Oswald's. But by pure luck Oswald succeeded and Hinckley failed.
People just don't want to admit that things so massively important can come out the way they do because of pure, dumb luck. We want events so momentous to have equally momentous causes, we want the universe to make SENSE, but the universe stubbornly refuses to care what we want.
David (not Mark) Lifton never got around to explaining three things:
a) how you steal bodies and switch caskets around within the cramped and crowded confines of Air Force One without getting caught, without leaving a trace of blood anywhere, and with the plane surrounded by onlookers at both airfields
b) how you safely approach scores of police, FBI, Secret Service, Air Force One personnel, ballistics experts, doctors, x-ray technicians, photographers, witnesses, etc., and persuade them all to obey illegal orders (thus confirming to every one of them a conspiracy exists), assist a coup, and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason
c) why hijacking bodies, performing surgeries, altering wounds, faking photos, forging x-rays, falsifying reports, committing perjury by the dozen, and piling cover-ups atop cover-ups is a better idea than just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away, which would have suited any conspiracy just fine...
Oswald shot Kennedy for the same reason a modern killer shoots up a mall or a theater.
The problem with the animatronic version is that Connelly felt the impact of the bullet after he looked back at Kennedy. Connelly first reacted to Kennedy getting hit and then felt the thrust of the second bullet after he turned his head further to the left. He was not reacting to getting shot when he tuned around based on his own testimony.
Connelly testified in the hospital after the shooting that the first shot did not hit him just as you said, this guy is awfully arrogant to not know a lot of these facts.
He was not reacting to Kennedy getting hit. He was reacting to the sound of the first shot. But he and Kennedy were shot by the second bullet.
@greglitton9774 Connally wasn't shot by the first bullet. Everyone DOES know that. And neither was Kennedy. The first shot missed everyone, including the car.
Real shootings are not like movies. Sometimes someone can have been hit and not realized it. Othertimes someone will keep coming even after being hit several times. Sometimes one ricocet shot kills someone while someone else gets hit in the head and lives. You can not judge what would or should happen based on the depictions you've seen in movies. Real life is often chaotic and random and that will also apply to ballistics and human reactions. Also, people's recollection of events, especially at moments of trauma, are not necessarilly reliable.
Compare your version of an event with your partner's, or a friend's version. They are likely to have significant differences. Humans don't remember like cameras or audio recorders.
@@marksesl the connellys said they heared the third bullet!
Horse pucky. There is no counterfactual assertion, and trying to use big words to cover it up doesn't work anymore. People have gotten too smart. There were no recognized firearm 'experts' on the commission, nor did they ever hire any independent ones during the investigation. In fact, they discarded any evidence that didn't fit their story. My dads' testimony was only one of them. And I was there as well. I know what I saw and heard, even though I was only 4 at the time. Those things never leave your memory.
Well are you saying the first shot hit the tree and was still able to travel over to the overpass to hit James Teague by shrapnel after it hit the concrete curb right beside him? 🤔
No i am not saying that at all. Im saying it hit a tree. Don’t take my word for it. Go to the location.
The first round hit the curb. Mr. Teague was struck in the cheek by a shred of the copper jacket. Remember, this is a rifle. Dealy Plaza is small. Fragments of a splattered bullet would easily reach Mr. Teague standing under the overpass - slim chance to be sure, but the fragment came from nothing else. And to be accurate, after so many years, I'm not sure if it was copper fragment, or some of the curb that struck Teague.
The first shot came through the front windshield and hit Kennedy in the neck. That’s why he was holding his hands up to his throat.
And the head shot also came from the front. Definitively.!!!
@@elliotheins2820 I believe there were two shots to the head. Simultaneous shot throating him first forward then to the back.
There is one huge problem with Oswald being the shooter:
Mrs. Geraldine Reid. Here, for the first time, is Geraldine Reid's testimonies:
About one minute before the fatal shots were fired at the motorcade, Lee Oswald walked into the office across the second floor hallway from the snack room where he had been eating his lunch. He wanted to buy a bottle of soda and did not have the required change for the machine. He walked up to Geraldine Reid at her desk and handed her a dollar bill and asked her for change.
"Mr. Oswald didn't like pennies. I remember that," she recalled. "As I was counting out the change, I heard what I later learned were gunshots. Mr. Oswald and I looked at each other quizzically for a moment, but neither of us said anything about the sounds. I did not know that they were shots at the time. I gave Mr. Oswald the change and he turned and walked back into the hallway toward the snack room. That's the last time I saw him until he passed by me a few minutes later as he was leaving the building."
Approximately seventy-two seconds after the shots ended and Oswald had returned to the snack room to buy a soda from the machine, Officer Marrion Baker and Oswald's boss, Roy Truly, confronted him in the snack room. Truly told Baker that it was alright and that Oswald, in fact, worked for him. At that time, Truly mentioned to Lee that President Kennedy had been shot. Oswald seemed genuinely surprised. Baker and Truly then left the lunchroom and headed upstairs to investigate further. In the meantime, someone had informed Geraldine Reid about the assassination.
Geraldine Reid's final encounter with Lee Oswald occurred a few minutes later. "The last time I saw Mr. Oswald, he was leaving the building," Reid stated. "As he passed me by, I noticed that he had his jacket slung over his arm. I told him that the President had just been shot and he simply said 'Oh?' or something like that, and kept on walking out of the office to go downstairs and, I assume, out of the building."
Geraldine Reid Didn't encounter Oswald before or during the shooting. She did only after Oswald's encounter with Agent Baker, and she didn't even know Oswald's name at that time. She had been the only one that saw him with that coke, and the last one that saw Oswald in the building. Oswald had been the only employee that didn't return to work after lunch break that day.
Another employee, Mrs. Sunders, told that Mrs. Reid told her (so a hearsay) that Agent Baker entered into the lunchroom and found there Mr. Truly and Mr. Oswald that "were evidently lunching", but that's evidently not true, Mr. Truly was not "evidently lunching" there. He was accompanying Agent Baker from the front door of the building. Both him and Agent Baker testified Oswald was non lunching, he was simply there.
After visiting dealey plaza I was amazed at just how small it is compared to how big it seems on tv and videos,, Im a small town rural guy born in early 60's so when you grow up small town in the middle of nowhere before cell phones & internet or cable tv , Hunting and fishing become your entertainment,, with that being said, First lets clear up the misaligned scope,, The scope wasnt standard issue but added to the gun after maket by the surplus dealer to add to the buyers appeal,, The fbi stated that shims had to be added before it could be aligned,, which is a BIG red flag to anyone who has ahooting experience,, it also says beyond any doubt that no attempt was made by anyone other than the fbi to align the scope,, The holes were drilled at clines sporting goods scope attached , boxed and shipped , so there goes oswald practicing at the range using the scope,, 2nd at that short of a distance a scope wouldn't be needed , using the open sights would be preferred,, The reason oswald or whoever shot jfk waited until Kennedy was going awsy from his position is a target moving away is the same as standing still ,, while passing in front left to right forces the shooter to follow the target making the shot harder,, Now for the magic bullet,, I waited until the day before deer season before buying ammo for my 30-06 rifle, , all that was left was one box of full copper jacket ,, Not sure if the 6.5 military ammo is copper are steel jacket,, copper being the softer of the 2 ,, I shot and killed a large mature buck deer and there was no difference in the size of the entrance and exit wounds ,, looked like a #2 pencil had been shoved completely through, ,, then when dressing the deer the bullet had passed through both shoulder blades without mushrooming the copper jacket bullet,, Now for the 3 shots in 8.6 seconds or whatever the exact time was ,,, its not the total time of all 3 shots but the time between 2nd and 3rd that makes it impossible with the bolt action rifle, ,, witnesses statements recall the bang,-----bang bang,, the last 2 shot were on top of each other ,, not a even spaced
bang __bang__bang. Im not saying Oswald didnt shoot what i am saying is he couldnt have fired all 3 ,,, and thats a fact jack
Here, let me put this hunting terms for you. To your first point- My scope was off, I was able to hold off target and hit the target using the scope. (Kentucky windage.) I was also able to hit the target faster and just as accurately, using the iron sights which CAN be used while the scope is mounted on the rifle ( Co-Witness.) The Zapruder Film clearly shows the time between the 2nd and 3rd shots that hit Kennedy in-between 4 to 5 seconds. People said they HEARD shots on top of each other, people are often wrong, they heard echos, the film shows it. If you shot a dear in the body you will not see a large exit wound, if you shoot a deer with a 6.5 Carcano in the head you will blow half of its face off. There is no huge explosion from Kennedy chest just like there is not a huge exit wound from your deer. We know the government lies to us, Hollywood does too. Thanks for watching
K but in your video you said that he shoot and killed jfk and you even admite that you dont think it means 100% the he did it just it's possible witch is deff not what your video portrays. At the end you list his brother even said he did it. I'm just saying that trying to talk about history that important makes you look like a shill from someone just browsing bc I don't think that's the big debate about jfk noone really pays much attention to weather or not he could really shot him from their yes deff possible but when you start looking anywhere else it dont make sense like the bullet they found for instance..
@@MrObservationMan I like the ending of this comment yes the government lies to us. So why make video saying they were right? Oh well
Well the timing for shot 2 and 3 is very unknown. For one, we’re taking zapruders word on the film speed which was variable in that camera. Two, we are not taking into account the variability of driving speed. That makes it hard for me to feel confident about time between those two shots. In any event, the last should would have been very the fastest. If I had to guess, it was a failed first shot taken with the use of the scope, then two faster shots with irons. I’m glad you pointed out the parallax advantage as the limo drove away.
A lot of people don't know that the actual distances involved were less than 300 feet. Not difficult shots to make. Oswald did know how to shoot a rifle. I'm a retired Marine. You won't graduate recruit training until you qualify. In his days that was with the M1 Garand at known distance out to 500 yards. His wife told of how he would practice and dry fire that rifle for hours. If the scope got miss aligned it could have happened when it was dropped on the hard wood floor when it was stashed. If it was actually one of the murder weapons used none of this really matters, who ever pulled the trigger used that rifle to do it
is it lies ? no mention of mayor earle cabel ( the mayor of dalls at the time) or his brother, gen. charles cabel (who at the time was the deputy director of the c.i.a.) ?
What about them? All credible evidence points to Oswald doing this alone.
This video is nonsense, for so many reasons.
1. No one ever saw Oswald practice with a rifle in the years since he left the Marines. His wife ,Marina, was adamant that she never saw Oswald practice with any kind of firearm, or say that he was going to do this and she never saw him coming or going with the rifle. She later changed her story and contradicted herself several times.
In the Marines, the last time Oswald was tested, he scored only 1 point above Marksman, which meant that he was hardly an outstanding shot (and that was on a rifle in excellent condition after practicing)).
2. The scope on the rifle was misaligned and both the bolt and trigger were faulty. This meant shots hit randomly and could not be "lead" predictably. The rifle also needed to be zeroed-in, by firing it ten times; this was not done.
3. Oswald did not test positive for having fired a rifle on the day
4. The target was moving and he would have been under tremendous pressure
5. None of the dozens of witnesses have placed Oswald with a rifle in the building - except one witness who then failed to pick him out of a lineup
6. The Dallas cop who first found the rifle (and he owned a sporting good store and knew about guns) said it wasn't a Carcano but German Mauser that he found - and he wrote this up officially and signed it
Best bet is to read a few books, like Anthony Summers' Kennedy Conspiracy or Mark Lane's Rush to Judgement.
Nonsense?!?!?!
1.- His wife not only knew he left the house with the riffle to go the range, she said he practiced obsessively dry firing the weapon so much, it drove her crazy. We also know he barely missed General Walker with the same rifle in a previous assignation attempt. He was a great shot as indicated in my video at (2:14.) Look at his score card from the Marines.
2. The scope was misaligned because both the scope and the mount were not designed for that gun. They were a cheap set that was meant for a 22. I used the same scope and it was misaligned as well. It is very easy to use what is called "Kentucky Windage," meaning you hold the scope off target. Please note he wouldn't need the scope. Underneath the scope are perfectly good iron sights that can easily be used to hit a man-sized target at up to 200 yards.
3- I agree with your point in #3. However, why would Oswald test positive for firing a rifle hours after he had been running through Dallas? He also had fired his revolver at a cop multiple times killing Officer Tippit. In addition, he wrestled with a group of police officers. Given all that activity, whether it was 1963 or 2020, it is plausible that the test would come back negative.
4- Again, my target was moving and I added stress by being in a moving bucket in the air. I added trees in the way for more stress. Every basketball player who has ever hit a buzzer beater has been under a lot of stress. The adrenaline can help you make the shot.
5- A cop who questioned Oswald at the book depository saw Oswald and dismissed him because he worked at the book depository. Most of the staff at the book depository placed Oswald there. In addition, it was his scheduled lunch break at the time of the shooting. Oswald's friend who he rode to work with said on record that Oswald carried a long case to work that day.
6. The Dallas police officer that found the riffle misidentified it. Through the pictures that were taken from the crime scene, you can clearly see the riffle was a 6.5 Carcano. Even if you owned a sporting goods store, like the police officer, you could easily confuse a Mauser for a Carcano.
Best bet is for you to realize people make money off of selling books, and boring doesn't sell. Even if the above things you listed were true, which they are not, you are looking at an ant hill of doubt pilled next to a mountain of evidence against Oswald. Again I suggest looking at the ABC news documentary and podcast listed below the video.
@Art Vandelay Who is directed to? Me or Tristan Martin?
@@MrObservationMan A March 27, 1964 FBI memo concluded that "the lead alloy of the bullet recovered from the attempted shooting of General Walker was different from the lead alloy of a large bullet fragment from the car in which President Kennedy was shot." The test was conducted by agents Henry Heiberger and John Gallagher. Also, the bullet was steel jacketed 30.06.
@@81overon yeah no that never happened
@@MrObservationMan What never happened?
Totally agree with the premise. Stone’s movie was a complete fabrication.
Tell me what was fabricated specifically
I thought we where past the point of the shots being made. Its who is behind the murder.
Ok what about the bullet that had multiple entry points and still came out in perfect condition after breaking a bone?
Full metal jacket bullets are not designed to expand like hollow points or soft points. The Geneva Convention forbade all but fmj bullets in war so as to wound soldiers, although they definitely can kill if hits are thru vitals. Fmj's are what Oswald used. Hope this answers your question.
It wasn't in perfect condition, it had deformed a little, and the doctor who performed the autopsy said it hit fairly fragile bones and not dead center.
Bullet (which was matched to Oswald's rifle) is in a condition perfectly consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs: badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side.
How does anybody planting a bogus bullet within one hour of the shooting know a bullet needs planting at all or that he's not simply planting one bullet too many into evidence and blowing the whole plot?
The Warren Commission report concluded that Oswald fired three shots with a Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle in 7 seconds to kill Kennedy in Dallas in 1963. However, tests supervised by the Italian Army showed it would take 19 seconds to get off three shots with that type of gun, the Italian news agency ANSA reported.
The tests were done in a former Carcano factory in Terni. UPI
Italian obviously shoot a bit slower.
That is utter bullshit. I can easily get three aimed shots off with a Mauser (same action, much more recoil) in 7 seconds, and I'm more used to semiautos and lever actions. I'm guessing the reporter who said that had never fired a bolt-action rifle in his life.
@@brucetucker4847 and i would say you haven't either. its one thing to fire 3 shots. its a whole other thing to do it ACCURATELY. i say you are a liar.
@@Joe-sn6ir No videos of the Mauser and UA-cam doesn't seem to like still photos, but here's a video of me shooting an MG34 at the local range. If you choose to believe I have access to a $30k transferable machine gun but couldn't possibly own a $400 C&R bolt-action rifle, I'm not sure what to tell you.
ua-cam.com/video/vF-PJbDNsx8/v-deo.html
I've been shooting rifles since my teens.
Shooting accurately and rapidly is just a matter of practice. As I've already said, expert shooters can sustain one aimed shot every 1.5 seconds or so with bolt-actions with much more recoil than a 6.5 Carcano, including time to reload. Oswald wasn't that good, but at the range he was firing he didn't have to be. I can easily get off > 1 aimed shot per second with a Winchester lever-action (I used to shoot competition with one), 3 shots in 7 seconds with a bolt-action is no problem. With my new Tikka I was shooting today I could probably do it in 5 and keep every shot on paper at 100 yards, which is farther than Oswald was shooting from.
People just pull this "Italian army said it wasn't possible" nonsense out of their butts and expect everyone to swallow it like it's from the gospels. Nobody from the Italian Army ever said any such thing. Give me a cite to the original source, not just "some dude on UA-cam swore it was true".
8.9 seconds, as victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate.
@aaronz7056
If you use 8,9 secs then the first shot occurred at frame 150. The FBI will be very upset with you if you use that. The FBI said the first shot was at frame 210. This is (313-210)/18,3= 5,62 secs . At the bell and Howell FBI tested average frame rate of 18,3 frames per second. Hence why CBS in 1967 used this number in their test shoot.
I would say that the difficulty of the shot is the last thing that should be considered. Sure it is a hard shot but it is possible. Stone's insistence on how difficult it would be does hurt his point. There are tons of other peices of evidence that dont add up. Additionally the fact that even if Oswald was the only shooter it doesn't disprove the governmet could still behind the whole thing. If you have the Internet and you still think the US is good and uncorrupt, you're not using the Internet, the Internet is using you.
A head-sized target at less than 100 yards? that's not even the slightest bit hard. Literally millions of people in this country do it every year hunting deer. Oswald was proficient at hitting targets that size at 200 or 300 yards. At that range a moving target would be tricky but not a slowly and steadily moving one at ~ 80 yards.
Except there is no EVIDENCE the government was "behind the whole thing." Stone is an unscrupulous liar and it would take all day just to list his demonstrable B.S.
Where’s your head shot , anyone who has served knows the entry wound is small and the exit wound is large, look at the spray pattern of the head shot, especially with a 6.5 full metal jacket.
Oswald left the service four years before the assassination. He qualified as a sharpshooter the first time and a marksman the second time, and that was at ground level at a stationary target with a government issued rifle. He only bought the Carcano eight months before the assassination. Figure those factors into the equation along with the fact that he missed General Walker from 100 ft away and I don't think it's likely that he hit two out of three moving targets from 75-88 yards on 11/22/63.
I'm going to go with the doctors that were up close and personal with the president at Parkland
The doctors at their first press conference are speculating wildly about the wounds, unable to conjecture about numbers, directions, etc. They had no particular problem with the autopsy photos.
If you have ever shot a live target the Zapruder film is all the evidence you need to know the kill shot did not come from behind...
You clearly have never shot a live target
@@MrObservationMan Does a person's head normally move towards the shooter after being hit?
@@tipigi3570 ah yes the old back and to the left. Yes, animals and people fall in very weird directions when there muscles clench up. Also, Kennedy was wearing a back brace. The bigger wound is always the exit wound. You can clearly see the bigger wound comes from the front of his head in the Zapruder film. Also, you could ask yourself which way does a gun move when the bullet exits a gun.
@@MrObservationMan Yes, a gun moves away from the intense pressure created when the bullet is fired. Very basic physics here. When a person is punched in the face, does their head go away from the attacker or towards it?
I've never thought that the way his head ripped open, was from an exit wound at all. The autopsy photos showing the "entrance" wound always looked very fishy to me and too neat of a hole. Look how low that "entrance" wound is compared to the "exit" wound. From that 6th floor window, that angle doesn't make sense when looking at those wounds.
Also many witnesses reported hearing the 2nd and 3rd shots in rapid succession. Some even said they heard four shots. Many, especially those on the triple overpass reported seeing smoke in the grassy knoll area.
@@tipigi3570 dude this is amateur hour. Please don't lecture me about physics when you have never shot anything, and then you compare it to somebody punching someone in the face. I've already done enough work for you, it's your turn to do the work. the angle makes perfect sense if you watch my entire video. Just like your first comment. I can't believe that you can not possibly find What is wrong with witnesses hearing multiple shots. Also, your lack of experience hearing multiple shots. Even without that experience. Why can't you people realize you are doing everything but looking at Oswald.
How does a scope mounted to the LEFT of the rifle bore have any more than a single point where the scope matches the bullet's path? It would have to have been shimmed but the FBI said that THEY had to shim it to even get it to print on paper. Why didn't the FBi determine what that single point/distance was??? And before they messed around with the setup? Doesn't pass the smell test.
no finger prints but a palm print..check funeral home witness of lees corpse!
Anyone who thinks that hitting a slow moving human being at under 80 yards is a “world class shot” has never fired a rifle with a scope. And as for the “defective scope” claims consider this; if I go to the range and one of my scopes has gone off zero, I can take the time to adjust it OR I can simply adjust my aim accordingly. First shot is low and left, I aim high and right. That’s why, in spite of what Oliver Stone tells you, a shooter’s first shot is not his best. It’s his worst. Second shot is better, third shot is best. And how did Oswald’s shots play out?
Missing and going through limo's window and hitting pavement nearby Triple Overpass, which injured James Tague is a pretty bad miss. No chance of resighting from first if you don't know where it is off.
The only problem here is that the bullet hole in JFKSs rear skull was smaller than a Carcano bullet could make.
Interesting expert knowledge input there. Based on your many years of shooting presidents in the head with Italian rifles no doubt.
Due to the elasticity of the skin it is normal for the entrance hole to be slightly smaller than the actual bullet diameter. And we are talking about a very, very, very, slight difference in diameter between the bullet and the hole in the back of Kennedy's head.
There is so much wrong with what you said, I really don't know where to start. 1st - The question on the shot is merely scratching the surface. Although some believe Oswald wasn't involved at all, the vast majority believe that he wasn't the ONLY person involved. That's not even getting into the arguments about his involvement nor who or third party entity he was involved with, if any.
2nd - No this isn't a conspiracy "mainly" because Jack Ruby killed Oswald. I shouldn't have to explain why it's a conspiracy but clearly you're ignorant on the topic, so here it goes. It's a conspiracy because the overwhelming physical evidence does not fit the "official story" nor does the "official story" answer the hundreds of questions involved. Questions Oswald couldn't/wouldn't have answered whether he was dead or alive. That's only considering physical evidence.
Now let's talk about everything else that isn't physical evidence such as suspicion, common sense, logic, and likeliness to name a few. You unwittingly proved my point by saying "EVERYBODY" wanted Kennedy dead. You think the person that had the littlest means to carry out the operation was not only the person who did it but was the SOLE person that successfully did it? With all the people and entities that had an abundance of resources to carry out the operation, the least likely of the suspects was the one who did it without any other 3rd party intervention? C'mon man.......... From square 1 questions arose when the first rifle found in the SBD was a German Mauser. Absolutely nothing lines up and what was Oswald to gain? Absolutely nothing. Now ask yourself out of "EVERYONE" who wanted him dead, what did they have to gain? Oswald wouldn't even make the list. At least without any help or guidance.
Oswald's CO in the Corps was tracked down some years after 1963 and in an interview was quoted as saying he was surprised that everyone thought Oswald did the shooting because he was not that great a shot. In fact, he went so far as to say that in his opinion Oswald couldn't hit water from a boat.
That boat must have been huuuuuuuggggeee.......
To qualify AT ANY LEVEL in the marines would make you a better shot than the vast majority of the people in this country. You must hit targets out to 500 yards with open sights from various unrested shooting positions. The shots at Kennedy were less than 100 yards with a SCOPED rifle from a rested position. I have never taken a marksmanship course in my life and I could do it with ease. Hell, we have 12 year old kids here in Alabama that could do it with ease.
@@toddbradford4700 In the late 1950s / early 1960s? Nope.
@@terenzo50 Sorry but yes. You can stick your head up your ass and just deny facts all you want but the truth is the truth whether you believe it or not. Qualifying at any level in the marines is pretty damn hard. And the shot from the Texas School Book depository was not a great feat of marksmanship. Sorry if those facts shit on your dreams of conspiracy.
@@terenzo50 Wrong. In the 1950s Marine training was at known distances of 200, 300, and 500 yards. US Marines have always taken rifle marksmanship VERY seriously. Oswald's first qualification was sharpshooter meaning he was an above average shot for a Marine.
Oswald had more than one CO in the Marines. He had serious issues with motivation and self-discipline and by the time he left he had been court-martialed several times, busted to buck private, and stopped caring about his performance. That's probably what that CO was talking about. Apparently he found something to motivate him to perform to his ability again when he decided to assassinate the President.
Also they never found residue on Oswald’s hands hmmmmm
Dude already addressed in the comments. And yes the target was moving.
Tested positive on his hands as per Commission exhibits.
2nd and 3rd shots almost on top of each other.
Easy to mistake echoes for "immediate shots".
"2nd and 3rd shots almost on top of each other."
It has never been proven that those shots were that close together, and less than 10 percent of the 243 Dealey Plaza witnesses said that.
No, they were not.
All the filmed verbal testimonies that I heard said bang and then bang bang.. last two really on top of the other. Not echoes, otherwise the first would have echoed too. See Craig Lane interviews with witnesses filmed..Search ,”Lee Bowers JFK, ”for instance.
@@meisievannancy "All the filmed verbal testimonies that I heard said bang and then bang bang.. last two really on top of the other."
You must have watched only a minority of all the statements ever made on film by Dealey Plaza witnesses then. Quite a few of them did not describe the timing that way.
The kill shot came from the front because the exit wound was on the back side.
exit was in the front Goober
You mean that massive, explosive exit wound at the right temple that's consistent only with a shot from behind?
Connally's said the shots all came from behind.
Witnesses under the sixth floor window said the shots all came from overhead.
Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos.
It's vastly implausible anybody would assume this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions.
@@aaronz7056 No genius ua-cam.com/video/fTPAYVEl4LY/v-deo.html
Oh look!!!!!
It’s the Governor Connolly and quasi Moto computer animation!!!
You made “a” shot.
You DIDN’T make “the” shot.
Your shot needs to go thru seven pieces of skin and smash thru three bones.(we must assume Connolly had back ribs too. Makes 4 bones) and come out looking like it was fired into water. (Hmmmm)
Also make the exit wound in Connolly’s wrist so small that a full bullet could not have transited there.
If you can do all that, you can say you made “the” shot.
When you look at Kennedy’s back wound, ( which the autopsy surgeon said was not a thru wound) and you look at his posture, something had to deflect it upward to come out his throat.(which it didn’t)
Remember the first police radio transmission after the shots?
“Get somebody up into those railroad yards and see what happened up there.”
The Dulles Omission even outsmarted the chief of police and his first impressions.
This guy has no idea what he is talking about. 11 witnesses on the street smelled gun powder including a US Senator. And shot 2 and 3 were less than a second apart which would be impossible for anyone to do with a bolt action rifle. He also fails to understand that there were 4 shots and 2 hit Kennedy in the head. That is the reason there are 2 entrance wounds and 2 exit wounds in the skull. He also fails to understand that Oswald was not on the sixth floor because two women who worked in the building were in the Stairwell during the 90 seconds when Oswald would have come down the stairs. Both women said they never saw him. Furthermore one of the 3 cartridges from the bullets had a dent in it. Which is impossible if it had been fired that day... It was a chamber plug only. The fact is Oswald only fired twice not 3 times. One last thing ... Go watch the Z film...Kennedy's head first goes forward 2 inches for the first head shot and the second head shot drives his head backwards and to the left. This guy can say what he wants but he is so far out of the loop I wouldn't be surprised if his video is taken down... Ya it's that misleading. I won't even bother going into the rest of the reasons he is totally wrong. I'm not making money like he is here on you tube I have other things to do. But I have 7 other reasons why he is wrong.
Fact I have never made 1$ from UA-cam or from this video. The rest of your statements are as presumptuous as that one. Not only have you not presented any evidence to your claims, your one and only video on UA-cam is you claiming to have seen a ghost ridding a motorcycle. So Yeah... In conclusion, I now know you can't think for yourself, so let me do some thinking for you. The reason his head went back and to the left is the same reason a gun goes backward when a bullet leaves its barrel. The other things you said are so asinine I am not going to address them. YOU are everything that YOU hate.
@@MrObservationMan I'm not surprised you have never made any money on UA-cam. Your videos are full us fiction and most people would be turned off from subscribing . And as far as my statements be presumptuous. Yours are as well.. In fact, your the one trying to make your case that Oswald did it alone. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. I already know the facts. But if you really think a US senators along with secret service agents lied under oathe than I guess you really don't believe Oswald did it alone either since they would have no reason to lie otherwise. Also Kennedy's head did not go back and to the left It went forward 2 inches as described by Dan Rather And then went back and two the left. Stop doing your research for Oliver Stone movies and you'll have a more clear Idea of what actually happened. And my video is not claiming that it is a ghost. It was more of a fun spooky thing to think about. You on the other hand are trying to rewrite history even after the 1979 hearings stated that where was another shooter.Good luck with your nonsense. Just have a look at others who commented. Nobody buys your insane theory. At this point in history knowing what we know now your the one with a tinfoil hat.
@@googleuser6201 If your not surprised I have never made any money on UA-cam then why did you say I did along with listing other lies. So "his head went forward 2 inches "- You mean like when the bullet struck him in the back of his head and pushed his head forward and then made his head go back and to the left when it exploded out the front. Whats it like being brain washed? So tell me who shot JFK? I have presented Observations I have made while using the riffle, visiting the seen, talking to others, and hundreds of hours investigating all possibilities. You are a troll.
@@MrObservationMan Dude your really not on my level to argue with. Much of what you ask me there are incredibly easy answers for I feel like I am arguing with a nine year old> I am going to answer your question but I Hope you do see your just not on my intelligence level and stop because your really looking foolish and I am not enjoying making you look this bad. Usually the people I argue with can fight back a bit and make it a challenge to keep it interesting. But this is almost plain abuse on my part because it's clear you can't match wits with me. As far as your question goes...If you are good enough at what you do here on UA-cam then you make money sooner or later. That is just the fact of the matter. I can see your not that good now. It's apparent you couldn't possibly make money with the nonsense you babble here. And as far as the head going forward... Yes Bullet number 3 struck Kennedy in the back of the head and drove it forward 2 inched a split second before bullet 4 drives his head backwards and to the left . Most pathologists and doctors from Parkland agreed that the wounds to the head were far too extensive to be from one bullet. Especially when there was clearly 2 entrance and 2 exit wounds and a single Carcano bullet could not produce these types of wounds. As far as who killed JFK is is impossible to tell. Not a single person ever identified Oswald as the shooter in the window. I do know that Charles Harrelson confessed to shooting Kennedy and through analysis of the evidence it appears that he was there in Dealey Plaza that day. There was no eye witness that he actually pulled the trigger but he was a professional assassin shown to be at the scene of the crime. And his own confession would lead many to believe he was one of the shooters who killed Kennedy. I do believe he was one of the shooters. But if you notice I do not just blurt out non truths as you do. My investigations of the incident are calculated observations that come to a reasonable conclusion. I don't just say this guy or that guy did it. And you doing so shows you are not very polished nor professional in your accusations. One last thing... Calling me a troll does not back up any of your claims. All it does is make you look inexperienced and immature at best. But then again everything you state says that as well..Good luck with your UA-cam channel!
@@googleuser6201 Show me one autopsy report that shows JFK was shot in the head twice with two entry wounds and to exit wounds. Woody Harrelson's father did not kill JFK. That was not a ghost on a motorcycle that you filmed. Your are displaying signs of Schizophrenia. Please get help.
Some Australians actually replicated the shot. They later told forensic experts and others that the shot occurred in a football stadium and asked if they thought it was possible that only one bullet could done the damage as the police suggested.
Everyone said yes.
One last thing in the recreation. The bullet passed through both bodies and then with all energy spent was caught in a layer of clothing. An almost identical result to the Oswald fatal shot.
Ok let me ask you this. The recreation. They fired the bullet and it did exactly what Oswald’s bullet did? An almost identical result of Oswald’s?
May I ask if the bullet they shot zig zag and end up coming out of the throat in the test? Or did the test bullet blast right through the test material? You see lots of people say they have replicated the shot but that’s just part of it. To do it exactly you’ll have to have a test material with a skeleton, then have the bullet hit in the upper back two inches to the right of the spine and at the Thoracic 3 level of vertebrae. If that bullet goes up and around the spine and comes out perfectly straight making a small hole upon exit then I might believe you. Tell your Australian guys to go back to the drawing board.
@@ronmarvicsin7709 it followed a straight trajectory. They explained everything including the positioning of the bodies as well as the varying seat heights in the limousine as well as the height of Oswald’s perch in the depository.
Others have explained that what the CIA, FBI, and other government agencies are hiding, isn’t that Oswald was assisted by others or Soviet or Cuban involvement but their total incompetence in security and their ignoring Oswald, a known threat that they discounted. So they love the conspiracy theories has it keeps the focus off their own incompetence
@@KnifeChatswithTobias straight huh? Are you trying to tell me you believe the non sense of it hitting him in the back of the neck n going though exiting his throat? How did it miss the spine? Your living a lie
@@ronmarvicsin7709 whatever.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias whatever. If you have an open mind at the very least, before you go jumping up and bragging about it being replicated and then saying whatever, look up what I just explained and you’ll have a lightbulb moment and see what I mean. Have a good one.
The entire presentation by the FBI, CIA and the Warren Commission of LHO being the single lone assassin hinged on the story of ONLY 3 SHOTS being fired.
Break that down.
• 1st shot went through JFK’s neck. He grabbed his throat.
•2nd shot went through his back and went on to hit Connelly.
•3rd shot was the head shot. The fatal shot.
•#4 went through the front windshield from the front.
•#5 hit the chrome trim at the upper edge of windshield frame.
•#6 missed the Limo completely and hit the triple overpass wounding a man named Tague who was watching the motorcade from that point.
#7 hit a manhole cover just to the left of the limo witnessed by a bystander and the projectile was found by a Sheriff deputy all on film.
So if LHO only fired 3!rounds…where did the other 4 confirmed rounds originate from.
As far as Oliver Stones Movie…JFK…it WAS A MOVIE…..not a investigative report. It was a possibility. A theoretical assumption. Every movie ever made about a historical event was given a Hollywood touch to add to the suspense. It’s what Hollywood does.
I have been to Dealy plaza in Dallas. I could have taken them all out with a slingshot as close as it was.
But that is not the point. The point is…who actually pulled the trigger(s)? Oswald was a known CIA asset. He had CIA written all over him. His associates were CIA. LHO did not pull the trigger. But he paid for it in the end.
LBJ-Vice President, J. Edgar Hoover-FBI and Allen Dulles-CIA were behind this assassination. They all were at a party in Dallas, the night before the assassination as witnessed by dozens of people at the same gathering. LBJ told his mistress after their meeting that..”after tonight those damn Kennedys will no longer be a problem.”
She was interviewed later about this and swore it was the truth. LBJ fathered her only child.
Whatever you're smoking, can I have some?
@@tooterooterville
One only sees what they want to see. LHO didn’t shoot JFK any more than I did. There were at least 7 shots fired that day. The Secret Service that were all around the limo, testified that they heard shots that were almost simultaneous. They also indicated several locations where they believed the shots came from. The party with LBJ, J Edgar Hoover, Allen Dullus and several other officials, happened the night before and was verified by many witnesses, including LBJ’s mistress. None of this was ever admitted into evidence at the WC. It was all a whitewash.
😊@@tooterooterville
the funny thing with your wack demo is that none of your shots were duplicates of whoever actually did the shooting.
So you may prove by yourself, that Oswald could have done the job as an easy shot from the 6th floor, ..so what?
Could he also managed to change the cars route over elm street, to do it from his choosen window?
Could he cause the security on a so low level, that an open window in the place would be ignored by them?
Could he bribe so many witnesses in the knowledge, that they would never confess it after his passing?
Oh, man, Oswald must have been real, real migthy, at least more than you and me together, to do all this (what I call a conspiracy..).
Maybe he was a part of that.
Maybe he did some shootings.
Maybe others also did form different places like Wilson & Shea wrote about in their book, all not knowing about each other.
But who held their strings?
It wasn't actually proven that Oswald took a shot at General Walker with his Carcano. There were no shell casings found at the scene and the bullet that was recovered was too mutilated to be positively matched with the rifle. I have no doubt that Oswald did it though.
I'll just add that his wife stated that Oswald made the attempt as well. She had a note from Oswald implicating him, and though the bullet was too mangled, its composition was a close match to Oswald's other sourced bullets.
@@DoBraveryFPS His wife's statement wouldn't be allowed in a court of law though.
Connelly, his wife and many others say there were 4 shots. Connelly and wife claim he turned around BECAUSE they heard a shot, not because he was shot as in your reinactment
@@badmoonrising8275 Connally said that he only heard two shots. He never heard the shot that hit him. Nellie Connally said that she heard three shots. Connally did turn around after hearing the first shot. He was hit as he was turning back to face forward.
@@kegeshook1734 Only because of a law against her testifying against her husband. It has no effect on the truth of what she said.
A lot of folks can't handle the truth that a two-bit nobody and loser could so easily kill the most powerful man in the world. Yet it almost happened a second time when Hinkley shot Reagan. I was with two friends of mine in Dallas about 30 years ago and we visited Dealey Plaza. They were convinced the shot was too difficult for Oswald to have made, but after seeing how small and congested the area is, they realized the shot was actually a very easy one. I think many people become confused because of the Zapruder film which is taken from a completely different angle and gives the impression that the shot had to be fired at a vehicle moving perpendicular to the limo, when in fact it was more a rear flanking shot fired from above which requires very little lead (deflection).
My oldest brother visited the old School Book Depository years ago, and commented to me later on: "...looking out the window, I could have hit Kennedy with a baseball!"
Your confusing two separate shootings by putting them together.
In no way can’t I handle the truth. In fact it’s the opposite way. Why can’t you handle the fact that it wasn’t a lone nut?
What were the men doing behind the fence when they showed IDs of SS and keeping ppl away from behind the grassy knoll? Why did so many people run up to the knoll after hearing a shot or more coming from that area? How about seeing smoke coming up from that area and it can even be seen in pictures? Why did it take 10 minutes or more for the police to close off the building, allowing Oswald to take his good ole time leaving? Who cleaned out the limo at the hospital after it arrived removing evidence? Who allowed Ruby to just walk right into the police dept basement and be in perfect position to shoot Oswald?
Who was able to make a autopsy look so sloppy and amateurish with three Navy doctors there? How could a lone nut get the government to put the files away for 75 years so that no one would be alive that were involved or get in trouble?
@@ronmarvicsin7709 You make assumptions and treat them as facts when you say things like there being two separate shootings. Did you mean two separate shooters, one of them being on the grassy knoll? That theory has been thoroughly debunked. For starters, the angle of trajectory is wrong.
Smoke rising from what, the barrel of a rifle? Before the end of the 19th century all armies were reequipping themselves with more powerful, flatter shooting smokeless powder rifles. The sporting community quickly followed suit. Only a fool would use a black powder arm to attempt an assassination.
Sound is easily reflected when there are tall structures about and this often confuses people as to where a shot originated. On my own property a train almost a mile away sounds as though it is in my backyard because I live on the side of mountain. In addition, a bullet traveling at supersonic speed emits a constant shock wave that radiates away from and behind it until the round goes subsonic. This loud crack is disorienting because it can be heard repeatedly each time the supersonic projectile passes a tall structure. I see no way any security personnel could have determined the direction or angle of the shot simply the sound, therefore nobody would know exactly where to search.
Had Oswald run out of the building, he would have drawn attention to himself. I'd go on, but I have a life outside of UA-cam.
@@Paladin1873 two separate shootings when you compared the Reagan shooting to the Kennedy.
Omg are you seriously going to tell me that the only way a gun to make smoke is if it were a black powder?
You sound like you are a shooter and you don’t know that even smokeless powders will show signs of smoke coming up. Not as much but certainly enough to notice it. I even have a copy of a photo that was taken if the very moment and you can see it. Witnesses on the bridge say the same thing.
I’ve shot at rifle matches that after 200 shooters firing M1s you could barely see the targets.
Stop putting out false information that confuses uneducated people.
No question that shot can be made. But the bullets is just a tiny tip of the JFK iceberg, I would not hang my hat on a bullet. Many other things on that case.
BTW your buddy Oliver Stone has a new one out called JFK Revisited 2021. More of a documentary than a hollywood movie.
Why I don't get is he had a new Carcano and when they tested the gun the scope was so far off they had to shim it and it was still hitting 3" high and right. So maybe he used open sights. Still doable but their best groups with a scope (His gun) was like 4-5" at 100.
Later the police wanted to recreate it like you did. They said the original gun was in such bad shape, jammed, etc they choose to use a better carcano. That does not make sense on a new gun that they had preserved. I have 1900 guns that are fine and shoot fine. How does a gun from 1963 get that bad doing nothing (Which is what my guns do and they are fine)
Anyway all the modern tests were done with a better carcano than the actual one used.
When the FBI test fired Oswald's rifle after the assassination they found it to be a very capable and accurate weapon. They said it was as accurate as the standard issue U.S . Army rifle of the day. One of the biggest myths conspiracy theorists use is that Oswald's Carcano was a piece of junk. On the contrary it was a very good weapon (unfortunately).
@@brianmccarthy8595 It was not shooting well for the FBI, the scope was so far off it could not be used. They had to shim it. And no idea why its so bad now where they could not use it, maybe its the same as it was then and they wanted a more reliable gun for the modern recreation.
The autopsy is a bit troubling more so than the bullet or gun.
I saw some of the new Stone effort, had to bail out. He just digs his heels in deeper. It's manna to the believers though.
Like all Marines, Oswald was trained and tested in shooting. In December 1956, he scored 212, which was slightly above the requirements for the designation of sharpshooter.[20] In May 1959 he scored 191, which reduced his rating to marksman.[20][40]
Oswald was court-martialed after he accidentally shot himself in the elbow with an unauthorized .22 caliber handgun.
But the movie assured me he was a terrible shot!
1. Been to the depository and figured I could make the shot(s)s so Oswald could, too. 2. Oswald shooting JFK does not preclude a conspiracy.
There is no credible EVIDENCE for a conspiracy.
i love the video, very entertaining and i learned a lot about the gun itself, but dude, come on, you cherrypicked a few things from the Stone film and act like that is all there is to it.
Good point. But don’t take my word for it or anyones word for it, look into it. Thanks foe watching
At 6:46 this video shows an animated view from the sniper’s nest on the 6th floor of the TSBD. There is a metal traffic light pole over the street that is in the direct line between the gun sight and the President's head. It occurs just a moment before Zapruder begins filming the Presidential limousine. Max Holland did a study showing that it is possible the first shot occurred just as the pole obstructed the shot, deflecting the bullet down range towards James Tague. There is a reasonable amount of circumstantial evidence to support his theory. Here is a link to one of his presentations on UA-cam.
ua-cam.com/video/t8Hp9ZqVxGA/v-deo.html
@@oldgoldtopgoldtop6039 maybe you should go there
@@oldgoldtopgoldtop6039 "it is possible the first shot occurred just as the pole obstructed the shot" and it's possible that it didn't.
"There is a reasonable amount of circumstantial evidence to support his theory." and there is a reasonable amount of evidence that doesn't.
Sadly everyone has a theory. It's cheap and involves no work. Few manage to produce properly primary-sourced evidence. That takes effort.
@@MrObservationMan The traffic light arm has been removed but here is a link to a presentation Max Holland gave describing his investigation. It seems a reasonable possibility imo.
ua-cam.com/video/NHrxyGF6ZIw/v-deo.html
So you couldn't pull it off and had to resort to using an "advanced shooter just like Oswald" (who wasn't advanced) and even he couldn't do it - even though it's an "easy shot".
You even included Dale Myers hilarious animation that made kennedy look like a deformed hunchback with an extended neck in order to make the trajectory work.
Congratulations for demonstrating how Oswald COULDN'T have been the lone assassin.
good points rob . myers had to extend the neck lol . how else could he have the jacket collar up by jfks ears ? lol . you see if the jacket collar is up by jfks ears that makes it easier to pretend the non fatal bullet entered on the right of the neck .
did you notice that he shows the two sides of the limo ? one is open and you can see right in and can see that myers has jfks knees jammed right up behind connallys jump seat . the effect of that is that it puts jfk closer to connally and lessens the distance between them , enabling myers to MAKE THE TRAJECTORY WORK and that red line passes through seamlessly . on the other view , the right sided view its closed off , you cant see inside the limo , you cant see jfks legs and myers has pushed jfk backwards to where jfk actually was sat . myers then stopped his red line at jfks neck on that view, he was smart enough to know that had the line carried on that the problem he sought to hide would be al to evident . thanks for posting rob . by the way had you any luck engaging mr observationman ? . lol you might have more luck there if you said OSWALD WAS AN EXPERT SHOT AND HE ACTED ALONE . lol im sure he would speak to you then .
Dear oh dear. He even showed you Oswald's Marine rifle records in this video. I'm not sure how you can claim Oswald was not an excellent shot, when he'd received rifle training in the US Marines, and been classified as a Sharpshooter.
I've read various silly reports that by 1963 he'd supposedly lost these skills, but frankly that's far fetched. By USMC standards his standards had presumably slipped, but that's a bit like claiming that Floyd Mayweather Jr isn't good at boxing because he's not fought for several years - he's still going to be better than most people.
And remember, although this wasn't a particularly difficult shot he still missed one out of three times, and had the final shot not hit Kennedy in the back of the head, for example if he'd been a few inches out, he probably wouldn't have succeeded anyway.
@@fobrien1 your reply is slightly ridiculous. You are basically arguing that a computer simulation is inaccurate because JFK's neck is a couple of inches too long? Nevermind the evidence from the Zapruder film, or the entry and exit wounds on Connally, eh? Let's focus on an 3D simulation made 30 years ago and then updated 20 years ago.
Do you think perhaps this was due to limitations in the software, or is Dale Miers supposedly part of whatever conspiracy theory nonsense you believe in?
@@alanpartridge1385 What evidence is found on the Z-film? What do the entry/exit wounds on Connally prove?
"I'm not sure how you can claim Oswald was not an excellent shot" alan partridge
oswalds fellow marines stated /testified that he was a poor shot by marine standards . stating that he had maggies drawers regularly . meaning he regularly completely missed the stationary targets . a former superior of his on hearing oswald was the accused shooter laughed in disbelief . that is not to say he could not handle a rifle , just that he was not great .
This is either a bait video or posted by someone very disingenuous. The issue with the ' three shots' is that the second and third were almost simultaneous and the third one hit. So he managed to somehow fire two shots without reloading and the third be a perfect shot . LoL
Yeah, I don’t know if you know this, but there is a film of it, that shows otherwise, so your post is either disingenuous or your comment is proof that you’ve been brainwashed by the Internet, up to you
@@MrObservationMan Almost every witness states that the third shot was ' on top of' or almost simultaneous with the second. At most its a second later. So .... either one of Oswalds shots was silent and he fired four times, he used an automatic rifle, or there was a second shooter
@@MrObservationMan
I'll just fast forward this as I'm supposed to be working, if you look at the reactions of the people in the car and then look at what the witnesses in Dealey plaza said you see that there was at least one other shot and at least one of the shots was silent. There is just no way around it. The reactions of the people in the car and next to it don't match up with the hits on JFK, they all flinch and jump at times when no one gets hit and when he's hit in the throat and Connolly is hit no one reacts, the same is true of the head shot. You see the impact and but there is no flinch or reaction. In addition to the timing of the bullets and the reactions of the people in the car ( see ua-cam.com/video/cvqCtaBkyyE/v-deo.html and start at about 45 mins) you have statements from the drivers and secret service behind who state that it was a flurry of bullets coming in and over them, ' we were hit from all angles' etc... even if the two bullets 5 seconds apart ( the first was a total miss) fragmented there is no way that ex military men would mistake two spaced out shots for a flurry and being hit from all angles.
Finally.. your shots were about 5 seconds apart. None of the witnesses stated this. They all said the last two were closer together and from the ones who sounded it out or tapped on a table that is less than a second . Lets presume those were at the extreme end and others felt it was more like 2 seconds, it's still impossible.
@@Victoryvintage It's well known that Dealey plaza produced many echoes which people could easily mistake for an immediate shot. Analysis of the ZF shows reaction from Kennedy and JC at around Z224 to the second shot. The head shot occurs at Z312. That's 4.8 seconds, plenty of time for Oswald. 80 percent of witnesses heard three shots. 10 percent heard fewer. That's 90 percent that didn't hear more than three.
Over 20 medical personal at Parkland hospital said there was an exit wound on the back of the skull. One shot missed and hit the curb near the feet of James Tague under the triple underpass. Had that shot come from the 6th floor window (it did not) it would had to have passed over the top of the limousine by at least 20 feet, WILDLY off target. There was a bullet hole from the front in the windshield, a bullet mark in the concrete near manhole cover on Elm (still visible to this day) and another bullet hit the frame of the windshield from behind. The assassination was carried out by the CIA, with shooters from the 2nd floor of Dal-Tex Building and from the Grassy Knoll, maybe other locations. Oswald was recruited to be a CIA operative while stationed at Atsugi Air Base, 9 days after being granted early discharge for family hardship, he was on his way to Russia.... Oswald was the patsey, his CIA handler was David Atlee Phillips..... Do your research.... You proved the rifle can be fired 3 times in 8 seconds, BIG DEAL!
Man, thank you so much, I can’t believe I didn’t do my research. It is so great to know that the CIA set up Oswald from an impossible shot from behind Kennedy. And then shot Kennedy from the front. In the middle of the yard. Wow. I am so stupid. Thank you so much for pointing that out to me. Russia and the CIA were definitely in cahoots with Castro and the mob. I know that now and I will now take this video down. I mean, I have never heard anything that you just told me. That was absolutely by far the first time I’ve ever heard that. How did I even make this video and never come across that information. I actually never came across any conspiracy theory information until you wrote this beautiful comment. someone needs to contact Oswalds Brother and his wife and kids and tell him this information that you have figured out. You’re a great American thank you for your service.
You're whole argument becomes flawed when you end it with "his brother thinks he's guilty so he must be guilty."
There is a documentary called capturing Oswald that has good info on the great job the Dallas PD did in catching Oswald. By the way, calling Oliver Stone an A$$hole is totally unfair- we need to learn to treat A$$holes better
I am recently new to looking into this assassination and trying to learn the general outline of the whole story/situation. If you look at all components of the story it's not a clear cut case. We shouldn't disparage the people that raise questions.
I only have one question. If it was only a "lone shooter" why are 1000s of documents still be classified to this day?
@@blstewart001 stone lied throughout the movie. Oswald was a very accurate shooter. His records showed he could hit a man target 48 out of 50 shots at 200 yards. The distance to Kennedy was 80 yards. He lied about the magic bullet. If the jump seats were taken into consideration it was a straight trajectory. He ignored all of the evidence that pointed to Oswald as the lone shooter.
@@Sam2sham Hey Sam - thx for the reply. A few yrs ago I read "Killing Kennedy" by Bill O'Reilly and he said it was clear cut case of the "lone nut." I took this assessment at face value.
However for the first time in my life I am open to considering it may have been conspiracy.
The main reason for this change is due to Corp news coverage on Iraq/WMDs, Trump/Russia and Covid (Hard Evidence for Science Manipulation). As a result in seeing the Stone film recently I am prepared to listen to the other side and not run them down.
I appreciate folks like you pushing back. I am reading Garrison's book and he makes insinuations I know are misleading and claims I know to be false. So that certainly hurts the conspiracy theory right outta tha gate.
@@Sam2sham Distance to Kennedy was 80 meters. 87.5 yards.
"stone lied throughout the movie" @@Sam2sham
sam when brent said he would like to learn i am sure that he was looking for facts , proof , and accurate information . in that sense on your very first sentence quoted just above you immediately FAILED .
stone IS ON RECORD from the start saying that jfk is his counter myth to what he sees as the warren commissions myth . IE or in other words , if the warren commission can invent a version of events SO CAN HE . at no time NEVER did stone ever state that his movie was 100% accurate and fact . and all the info i just mentioned here is very easy to find , all you had to do was have the desire to seek the TRUTH . so with your very first sentence you failed to provide any accuracy , in fact in this particular case it is provably you who has lied . i say lied because you are stating that stone LIED in a manner that you desire to lead people to think that your claim is proven fact , when it is anything but , and when stones own words at the time of the movies release REFUTE you .
"He lied about the magic bullet. If the jump seats were taken into consideration it was a straight trajectory" sam
well already know that stone did not LIE , he made a movie where he posited a POSSIBLE version of events that he NEVER not even once claimed to be fact . in fact he did the opposite as i stated above , he said jfk was a COUNTER MYTH .
in regard the single bullet theory stone in fact highlighted info that the warren commission lied about , and they or should i say specter at the least provably lied . stone in fact showed the ACCURATE location of the wound on jfls BACK several inches BELOW shoulder level . which can be seen in the autopsy photos , and corresponding holes can be seen in photos of jfks shirt and jacket . contrary to these undeniable facts arlen specter from 1964 to the time of his death LIED to every us citizen and to the world when he told that jfk had a NECK entry wound ABOVE shoulder level at the level of the shirt collar . he can be seen on film pointing at the back of the shirt collar . the commission as a whole LIED and said they were denied access to the autopsy photos by the kennedy family , absolute LIES . the warren commission not only had access to the photos atleast 3 people attached to the commission ADMITTED that they saw atleast one autopsy photo each .
earl warren saw them , rankin saw atleast one (he said so in warren commission executive sessions , and it was the one showing the BACK wound ) . and good old arlen specter admitted seeing the SAME photo showing a BACK WOUND . yet he lied for over 50 years saying it was a NECK wound .
brent what ever you do research wise , what ever you conclude at the end of your research DO NOT RELY on poorly researched people like sam here , who will give you utter drivel masquerading as fact .
Great video - I myself bought a manlicher carcano and respect the round . I agree the shots could be made. My only thought is why didn’t Oswald shoot when the limo turned on Elm and was coming towards the book depository?
Well they needed to put Kennedy in a the middle of three shooters. First shot from behind , gets everyone to look back. Next shot from the front. Witnesses say from behind which creates doubt.
Because there was a better chance he would've been noticed by the crowd after he'd fired the shots.
@@franktrovato2311 great point! His goal obviously was to get away from the scene of the crime
There is no such thing as a Mannlicher Carcano.
The 'Carcano' was designed by Salvatore Carcano in 1890 while employed at the Italian Army's Turin Arsenal and introduced as the Modelo 91. Oswald used a later issue M38.
It was not designed by Ferdinand Mannlicher and was never produced by Oesterreiche Waffenfabriken Gesellschaft Steyr or Steyr Werke AG.
The Carcano did use an _en bloc_ magazine, a system originally known as the _Mannlicher Packet Loading System,_ but had no other relation to any Mannlicher design or patent.
@@-oiiio-3993 I stand corrected. I’ve always heard it called that. In fact I believe the Warren Report referred to it that way.
Thanks
He was shooting FMJ ball. You were shooting a spitzer. The spitzer bullets on the market that I have seen are a little small for the bore, so the Oswald round from Western Cartridge would have been even more accurate than what you are testing with... assuming my assumptions are correct. I believe the Oswald bullet came in at .266 or .267, may want to check that. For great accuracy, guys are shooting .268. Modern 6.5 is coming in small like .264 or .265, sometimes even .263. Great work.
Listen bud, I like the channel and respect you as a classic rifle enthusiast, but you have no right talking about what you do not know. When you have kids and family members of the alleged shooters and giving similar to identical stories, you need to start doing your own research. Oswald didn’t kill JFK, The Big Oil Men along with LBJ and Carlos Marcello.
"Oswald didn’t kill JFK, The Big Oil Men along with LBJ and Carlos Marcello."
That has never been proven. You are merely speculating or repeating someone else's speculation.
Why was Oswald killed if he acted alone? No one can has an answer for ole Jack Ruby, do they?
What do you mean "an answer for Jack Ruby"? There are plenty of answers. He was about as unstable of Oswald. What Americans excell at is shooting each other for no logical reason.
The number which has long been bandied about as the Carcano's serial number actually is a batch number. This fact was known early and was never hidden but is conveniently overlooked because it doesn't fit the promoted narrative.
A Mauser clearly was discovered and promoted as evidence before the Carcamo joined the narrative. The Maiser was discovered by and identified by and offered to the nrws cameras by a DPD officer who sold guns at the sporting goods store he owned for many years.
The Mauser's bore and country of manufacture were stamped on it and it was promoted as the murder weapon Until The Klein's Purchase Was Discovered - which is when the narrative changed from Mauser to Carcano.
That officer said "Mauser" to the others present before showing them the stamp on the weapon because he immediately recognized its make.
It pays to examine the earliest information with great attention because of how it differs from what was promoted as the coverup began to take shape. The earliest bulletins clearly informed the public that a Mauser was the weapon of choice.
To be clear: it's not that one weapon was found and initially misidentified as to its manufacture. Two different weapons were found during the search at the SBD.
The straps and strap mounts do not match when comparing the Carcano and the backyard photos. The sights also do not match as to mount, size and type when comparing the photos and the Carcano offered as evidence.
Hiding the murder weapon but leaving the expended shells in plain view is a ploy that is laughable because it is so obvious and clumsy. The word cheesy comes to mind when considering the magnitude of the crime and the trail of fictitious bread crumbs hoovered by sheeple who did not take a stand for justice and truth.
Yeah no that is not what happened. What had happened was.... The above video
seymore weitzman did indeed run a sporting goods store . so knowledgeable was he on rifles etc that his fellow detectives considered him to be an expert . so much so that one of the other two men there boone (a third being craig) immediately took weitzmans word as gospel . weitzman said the rifle was a mauser and so boone wrote that in his sworn statement . in fact as late as november 24 weitzman was still giving statements that the rifle was a mauser . this despite the fact that the tv and radio news , the dallas police and DA wade were saying it was a carcano . weitzmans sworn affidavit states that the rifle he saw was a mauser .
now humans are human , we make mistakes . but also we get things right . so we have to look at weitzman the man who sold rifles for a living and whos fellow deputes considered him to be an expert . the rifle in evidence has the words MADE IN ITALY ON THEM . there is no way that even a novice could see those words and think THAT WAS A GERMAN MAUSER . weitzman was no novice .
yes one might look only at the bolt action and wrongly think mauser . and lone nut advocates have tried to falsely assert that weitzman barely glanced at the rifle . however his detailed description of the rifle in written statement tend to heavily refute that false assertion . he described the strap , the timber and other parts in detail that can only come from a close inspection. such a close inspection that would render NOT SEEING made in italy right on the barrel under his nose an impossibility . lone nutters have even added to the above false assertion with another , which is that mausers dont even have the name mauser stamped on them or on the barrel . absolute nonsense and photos prove it . the false inference being that weitzman could not have seen mauser anyway as it was not stamped on the rifles , when in fact it was .
so weitzman certainly knew his weapons , so much so that deputy boone put down mauser on his statement based on weitzmans say so. . by the same token other names were bandied about also . we know weitzmans description of the rifle is detailed , and that he saw it at far more than a glance . and we know he continued to say the rifle was a mauser until atleast the 24th . there is no way that he did not know his own department and the media were saying it was a carcano ? so why would he stupidly then continue to say it was a mauser ? . surely at some point his pal boone would have said HEY SEYMORE , REMEMBER YOU SAID THE RIFLE WAS A MAUSER ? WELL THE DA SAYS ITS A CARCANO NOW . HEY I NEED TO KNOW HOW SURE YOU ARE ABOUT THIS AS I MAY NEED TO AMEND MY STATEMENT . neither man amended their typed and signed statements .
but all that said a carcano is in evidence . the reports have the rifle being found at 1.15 or shortly there after , but also being found before that time at nearer to 1pm . both cant be right . in fact we know the shells were only found at a time just before 1pm . so we can with research rule stuff out and in . and come to intelligent conclusions .
"A Mauser clearly was discovered and promoted as evidence before the Carcamo joined the narrative."
Nope, you are repeating a conspiracy factoid. No Mauser was "clearly" discovered before the Carcano joined the narrative. The "Mauser Myth," as I have been calling it since at least 2003 in many different articles and comments on the internet, originated with one completely uncorroborated person, Seymour Weitzman, who never in any statement he ever made in his own words, spoken or written, claimed to have actually seen the word "Mauser" with his own eyes on the rifle, nor did he ever claim to have seen ANY words on the rifle. He also never said he touched the rifle or looked very closely at it. He also never said he had ever seen a Mannlicher-Carcano in his life before that day, so he cannot reasonably be expected to have correctly identified it. Yes, on the day of the assassination he did write in his report that the rifle was a Mauser, but the majority of the evidence suggests that he was merely mistaken without realizing he was mistaken, which any human can be. There was also a report on the day of the assassination that a Secret Service agent was killed in Dealey Plaza and that turned out not to be true either. Initial reports, no matter who makes them, are not always true 100 percent of the time.
Eugene Boone, the officer who actually found the rifle, wrote in his two reports that weekend that the rifle "appeared to be" a Mauser. Not "was." "Appeared to be," which is a different meaning. And he later clarified that the only reason he wrote that is because he heard someone else say it was a Mauser. He never claimed to have identified the rifle as a Mauser due to his own personal observation. And he also never claimed to have seen the word "Mauser" or any other words on the rifle. None of the other witnesses present who saw the rifle at any time while it was still on the sixth floor said in 1963-1964 that the rifle was a Mauser, and none of them ever said in 1963-1964 that they saw the word "Mauser" anywhere on the rifle.
"The Maiser was discovered by and identified by and offered to the nrws cameras by a DPD officer who sold guns at the sporting goods store he owned for many years."
There is no extant footage from any news camera on the day of the assassination showing a Mauser on the sixth floor or being brought out of the building. And like many conspiracy believers before you, you are exaggerating Weitzman's expertise in identifying foreign-made rifles. Yes, he did sell guns at a sporting goods store, but as I said above, you'll not find any verbatim quote in his exact words in which he specifically said he had ever seen a Mannlicher-Carcano in his life before 11-22-63, and you will also never find a quote in which he said he saw the word "Mauser" or any other words, not even "Made in Italy," on the rifle that he saw on the sixth floor. He was also not a "DPD officer." He was not a member of the Dallas Police Department. He was a member of the Dallas County Sheriff's Department.
"That officer said "Mauser" to the others present before showing them the stamp on the weapon because he immediately recognized its make."
No. Weitzman never said that he saw the stamp on the weapon, much less showed it to the others. That claim originates with one completely uncorroborated person, Roger Craig, who did not say this for the first time until the 1970s. No other witness present ever said that Weitzman pointed out the word "Mauser" to them on the rifle. And Roger Craig's credibility is questionable, because previously he had said he had no earthly idea what type of rifle it was. I shall now quote him verbatim in his exact words from an interview he gave in March, 1968, saying exactly that:
"I couldn't give its name because I don't know foreign rifles, I know it was foreign made, and you loaded it downward into a built-in clip. The ID man took it and ejected one live round from it. The scope was facing north, the bolt facing upwards and the trigger south."
Roger Craig also lied and said he handled the rifle himself, something unanimously disputed by all the other witnesses. None of the DPD or Sheriff's Department officers were allowed to touch the rifle at all while it was on the sixth floor. Had any of them done so they would have been immediately fired, or at the very least severely reprimanded. All the witnesses (including Craig himself in his 1963-1964 statements) unanimously agreed that the only two people who ever touched the rifle while it was in the sixth floor were Will Fritz, head of Homicide, and Carl Day, head of the crime lab.
"The earliest bulletins clearly informed the public that a Mauser was the weapon of choice."
Yes, and the earliest bulletins also said that a Secret Service agent was killed in Dealey Plaza, and not even you believe that, correct? And some of the earliest bulletins also quoted one or two of the Parkland doctors saying that the bullet wound in the front of JFK's throat might have been a wound of entrance and that the fatal damage to his head might have been caused by that same bullet turning upward and exiting out of the top right of his head, and not even you believe that either, correct? So unless you believe at least one of those two early bulletins, that proves that even you yourself agree that the earliest reports are not always accurate. Since the killing of the SS agent obviously never happened, and since not even the vast majority of the believers in a frontal shot believe for a moment that the wound to his throat and the damage to his head were cause by the same bullet, why would it be any greater a leap of logic to assume it to be just as likely that Weitzman's initial identification, and its subsequent repetition, in the earliest news reports was also simply an honest mistake, just like those other two obviously mistaken claims?
"To be clear: it's not that one weapon was found and initially misidentified as to its manufacture. Two different weapons were found during the search at the SBD."
That is another conspiracy factoid. It has never been proven that two weapons were found at the TSBD.
At no time was a Mauser rifle shown. Every picture from the TSBD to the police station shows an Italian Carcano. Selling guns at a sporting goods store does not make one any kind of an expert on firearms and their identification, especially obscure foreign firearms.
Even more laughable: the idea some conspiracy would leave the wrong kind of gun, or multiple guns, lying around the crime scene for an army of police to find. No Mauser was found and cops freely owned up to misidentifying the foreign-made rifle at first, big freaking' deal.
The earliest photos of the detective carrying out the rifle from the snipers nest clearly shows a German Mauser 7.62. Roger Craig even said it was a German Mauser. Later the 6.5 Italian was planted to go along w the narrative. Kleins sporting good never sold oswald a 6.5...the address on the order form was to a po box. You can ship rifles to a po box. The serial number for lho supposed 6.5 showed that kleins had the rifle in the warehouse until Jan 64
Why in the hell with the CIA not just plant the correct rifle? Why would Oswald go and kill a cop mid work shift and hide in a movie theater? Why did Oswald try to kill someone who was running for governor? Why did John F Kennedy ignore the secret service when they played for him not to ride in a uncovered vehicle right next to Jackie O. Why is Oswald going on the radio talking about how he hates America. Why did Oswald‘s wife friend get him the job at the book depository. I saw the pictures of the rifle, it looks like a 6.5 carcano to me
"Why would Oswald go and kill a cop mid work shift and hide in a movie theater?" @@MrObservationMan
let me guess you think HE KILLED TIPPIT thus he had to have killed jfk ? or am i wrong here ? . just in case i am right well you do know that officially tippit was shot just prior to 1.16 pm and that witnesses in the theater said oswald was in there from a time about 1.05 or so and up until they saw him arrested ? . would that be a problem for you at all ? .
the rifle in evidence ( whether you think oswald could have made the shots with it or not ) is a 40 inch model . kliens despatch documentation states that they sent a 36 inch model . would that be a problem for you at all ? .
"Why did Ohted swald try to kill someone who was running for governor?"
someone ? you do know his name ? . let me help you its walker . let me help you further . a night or two prior to the shooting walkers neighbour saw TWO MEN peering through walkers window . he went outside and they got in a car and drove off . at the time of the shooting a witness walter kirk coleman saw TWO MEN , they left in TWO cars after one of them had placed something LONG on the rear seat . I THOUGHT OSWALD WAS A LONE NUT ? . the lead alloy from the bullet was tested along with lead from the assassination THEY DIDNT MATCH . that fact was kept from the people .
"Why did John F Kennedy ignore the secret service when they played for
him not to ride in a uncovered vehicle right next to Jackie O"
let me guess JFK GAVE ORDERS THAT NO AGENTS WERE TO RIDE ON THE LIMO ? . is that it ? thus he is too blame for his own death ? . if so that is absolute nonsense . yes the whole point of the trip was so HE WOULD BE SEEN , so in that regard having 3 agents either side of the limo on the running board obscuring any view of him would be silly . all the agents are on record stating that JFK NEVER INTERFERED WITH ANY AGENTS . he never stopped them doing their job . and that is actually highlighted quite well by the fact that clint hill rode on the left rear of the limo several times that fateful day . in fact the bubble top was on at love field because it had been raining . had the rain continued it would have stayed on .
"Why is Oswald going on the radio talking about how he hates America"
which radio interview was this ? .
there is no argument that a 6.5 carcano IS IN EVIDENCE .
it was also the wrong length, should have been a 40"
No one planted the Carcano it's just Conspiracy B.S. Shortly after the assassination the Police started searching The Texas School Book Depository for the assassin and evidence. At 1:pm they found boxes piled in front of the now famous window .Then they found three spent shell casings on the floor near the window. Nothing was moved or touched before technicians from The Dallas P.D crime laboratory could take pictures and check for fingerprints. At aprox. 1:22 Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone and Deputy Seymour Weitzman found a bolt action rifle between two rows of boxes near the staircase in the northwest corner of the sixth floor. No one touched the weapon or disturbed the scene until Capt. J.W. Fritz and L.T. J.C Day arrived and that weapon was photographed as it lay on the floor. It's funny how Roger Craig's stories changed over the years contradicting his own Warren Commission testimony.
The name LHO supposedly used to purchase the rifle was A. H. Hydel. Back in those days you could have firearms shipped to a home or P.O. Box. If a P.O. Box was used you just signed for it at the Post Office when you picked it up. So far all of this is just speculation. Nobody really knows who actually did what or how they did it. I seriously doubt we ever will. One guess is as good as the next. The only things that are self evident are that there were at least two shooters because JFK was obviously hit from the back and the front. The other self evident fact is the Warren commission report was B.S.
This video is much more accurate than Oliver STONED's science fiction film.
why? based upon what? Nicely generic your comment was.
@@googlename364 The shot that killed JFK was 88 yards away. That's easy for a marine.
@@johndeagle4389 it’s hard to shoot from multiple places at once.
@@xnoybis9967 It wasn't that hard to shoot from the 6th floor of the TSBD.
Sure troll, sureeeee
Oswald didn’t do it! The scope on the Oswald gun was not in line with the barrel, the FBI needed to shim it to make the shots! Oswald was in the lunch room not on the 6th floor. LBJ wanted him dead and was heard saying that after tomorrow we will not have to worry about that SOB.
Over the years on the internet commenters have bragged about their shooting abilities but when it comes to the sixth floor, the shot becomes impossible.
HOW hard to you want me too laugh at that?
"Over the years on the internet commenters have bragged about their shooting abilities but when it comes to the sixth floor, the shot becomes impossible."
What shot becomes impossible, and why? Describe in detail exactly why it's impossible. Thanks.
THISLULB - hint: it's an anagram :)
That's right: 3 shots over 8-9 seconds (as victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate) at a slow-moving target a maximum of 88 yards away is "impossible."
It’s a ridiculously easy shot. Any visit to the sixth floor window, you realize that someone with a brick could have hit the car as it went by, just sixty feet below the window. Even a lousy rifle with a scope and a moving target it was certainly possible. My question was why didn’t he take the easier shot ten seconds earlier when Kennedy’s car was coming directly toward him before they made that left hand turn past the building? Nerves? Also the, "grassy knoll,” shot would have been really hard, a deflection shot as the car was going left to right, just never happened. Lastly, why the last shot? He had to know he shot him through the scope, right in the back. Then, he takes aim again to shoot him a second time? Why? The ultimate question.
He wouldn’t take the first shot as it would give away his position. Or maybe he wouldn’t take it because he wasn’t ready. I feel like he might not have known when he hit him on his second shot or where he hit him. I don’t know if he was aiming for his head on his third shot. But I do know it was an easy shot that’s for damn sure.
Your opinion against two teams of the world's best shooters who could not replicate the feat. I know which one I'll go with.
@@jimhere01 I have seen it duplicated easily on videos. To still believe it can't be done is just you being willfully ignorant. Tell you what. Make it worth my trouble, Say a 10,000 dollar bet and I'll duplicate it in front of you at a time of your choosing. But I will expect my money when you lose. And you will lose. Trust me.
@@toddbradford4700 I'll give you a chance to make a very fast ten bucks right now. Show me that feat duplicated on video with the same make, model and year manufactured MC as the alleged weapon, that also has the very difficult trigger, and bolt action problem, with a defective scope unable to be sighted in, score at least 2 out of 3 hits on a moving vehicle at the same distance and speed, and I'll give you ten bucks. But maybe you should save your money, since you've had your UA-cam Page since 2014, and it seems poor little toddybradford4700 can't even afford to put even free videos, playlists, or any content whatsoever, and only has a few token subscriptions to look halfway legit. Obvious massive troll red flag, huh?
He had no way of knowing whether the second shot would be fatal or not. And he probably wasn't thinking very clearly anyway. He'd never shot a person before, I imagine that must be quite unnerving, I've certainly been told it is by combat veterans. Maybe it took him a few seconds to get up the nerve to open fire.
I'm not a professional marksman, but qualified expert pistol and expert rifle 2 times each earning service medals while in the Navy. Dealey Plaza is smaller than you think. In '02 as I stood and peered through the 6th floor window at the book depository museum while looking at and down the street, I was startled by the fact that it is SUCH an EASY shot especially when the limo is coming out of the left- hand turn at low speed. The limo had slowed to make the greater than 90 degree turn, and so, plenty of time to get the desired shot picture. Lee is no dummy, here. It is about as easy as a shot you can get for right-eye dominate and even more so if you are left-eye dominate and can get the rifle closer to the left side of the window like me. (No one has said that before your video here to my knowledge.) The hard part is getting the crosshairs on target after operating the bolt action. It eats time and the operator must be calm and collected, even more so. The window wall (front of the book depository bldg.) is angled away from the street making the line of sight down the street almost a straight shot. I believe a semi-automatic rifle would have been a better choice, and no professional hitman would have purchased a bolt action for multiple shots at those short ranges. I think Lee expected to kill Kennedy on the first shot, as he should have, but Kennedy didn't drop (because of his back brace according to agent Clint Hill). So, Lee kept firing. I don't think that bolt action rifle was Lee's weapon of choice for Kennedy, but rather, it's what he had. Lee didn't kill General Walker, but Lee proved he had the mettle to try again with Kennedy. He certainly positioned himself at the right location for the first shot so to shoot after the street sign and traffic light pole. I believe Gov. Connally and agent Clint Hill's testimony and later interviews.
The History Channel re-created this scenario at night using a: night scope, green laser affixed to the same model rifle, life size human models seated the same and Lincoln drop top in similar motion. The marksman was able to paint the human model of Kennedy with the laser several times including 3 times in a row with the same time constraint. The marksman was familiar with the model rifle he and Oswald used. The rifle had been sent to a gunsmith for servicing before the re-creation. I recall the marksman saying that the gun did jamb a few or couple times during the recreation.
The JFK film distorted several factors. One was making flippant remarks regarding Oswald's ability. When in the marines, whilst not obtaining the maximum marks as a sharpshooter, he did achieve the necessary requirement from 500 yards, with open sights. A lot of untruths have been said regarding the rifle used i.e. loose telescopic sights, trigger problems, not zeroed etc. The zeroing can be done with a bore collimator, without the need to fire a shot. People underestimate the power of military rifles too. Penetration tests have proved that a carcano bullet is capable of passing through 30+ inches of pine boarding, so would easily pass through two people. I don't know if the actual rifle has been tested for accuracy, but a carcano with a good barrel is well capable of good accuracy.
@@stephencope7178 the FBI said shims had to be added to keep the poorly mounted scope in place. Inmates in the jail across the street reported seeing *two* people messing with the scope right before the shooting. Probably because it was wobbly and they were conspirators…
@@trevorryan2591 The FBI went to the jail to see what could be seen from there. The TSBD was not visible from the jail's mental ward. There were no prisoners in the DWI cell at the time of the assassination. The windows in the jail that did overlook the TSBD were so dirty that they were almost impossible to see through.
@@stephencope7178 the actual rifle found was a 7.65 mouser, not a 6.5 Italian.
For those who think Oswald took that Nash Rambler, so the car drove Oswald to his rooming house, waited for him 2-3 minutes and then drove Oswald to the theater? That's your theory??
Good! That way we have the proof Oswald didn't kill officer Tippit! Tippit's killer according to all the witnesses was on foot not with a station Wagon...
No conspiracy then why are the files still classified?
Read Rush to Judgment by Mark Lane. Why did the City of Dallas repave the street very shortly after the assassination and remove at least one manhole. Fun fact, the as built drawings pre-repaving immediately disappeared. Those Carcano rifles cock on the closing, pretty difficult to fire off two well-aimed rounds in less than two seconds. You didn't do it.
Touche!
Why don't you have a million subscribers?
Because he is an idiot!
@@googleuser6201 why?
It's probably because the CIA are in cahoots with the Mafia and the Cubans to prevent people subscribing. Many subscribers have mysteriously disappeared, dying before they've even reached 110 years old. So some people say. :)
Should remove this propaganda
Wow. Really?
I;ve studied this case since the 4th grade, 50 years ago, and you're right, about everything. I've said the same for many, many years. I too had a 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano with the same scope and mount and not only is it an easy shot, I could easily make it with iron sights. You touched upon the key to understanding it all with the interview with the older black guy who knew Ruby. This entire affair was a wannabe spy (Oswald) vs a wannabe gangster (Ruby) and a perfect storm of delusional stupidity given an elevated status by the Warren Commision whose hamhandedness served the purpose of framing a guilty man and avoiding a nuclear war. Now good luck convincing an entire generation of idiots who are convinced they're a misunderstood genius because they passed a bogus spam I.Q. test online. All that said, I'm still fascinaed by the case and love learning new facts about it. Thus far, none of them hve convinced me of anything other than Oswald brought his rifle to work that day (disguised as 'curtain rods') and hot Kennedy & Connelly and in the following confusion escaped the scene of the crime. Lee wanted to be a spy. The secrets the CIA has is they were stupid enough to have contact with him. They surely debriefed him when he came back from Russia and they likely had him pegged for the obvious whack-job he was. Instead of throwing his stupid ass in prison (for divulging state secrets), they stupidly thought he was "harmless" and they and the FBI fu@ked up not rounding his ass up when Kennedy came to town. All the fu@k-ups in chain of custody for evidence is to blame for the rest. There WAS a conspiracy AFTER the fact. A conspiracy to frame a guilty man, cover-up the myriad of government agencies who's lackadaisical acions inadvertantly assisted in the killing, and to avoid demands for a "war with Russia" for their imagined part in "brainwashing an American to kill for them." Hilariously, Oliver Stone's latest (I love him as a filmmaker, btw) follow-up about how the deep state (which is most certainly real) is narrated by Whoopi Goldberg, one of the main celebrity mouthpieces for the DEEP STATE, ITSELF! Anyway, if you ever want to make a longer form video, I'm a writer/filmmaker with lots of experience and would love to be of assistance. Great video!
it was a mauser
Also, saying Mannlicher Carcano is a double entendres. It’s like saying 12 gauge 12 gauge. Respectfully I say, you sound silly.
u can see on the footage of hi death that shots hit him from the front..u wasted 50 years
@@WillyEckaslike Okie-Dokie!
Wow you covered a lot of territory there sir. I’ve studied it for 35 years and gone to a different conclusion. You mention that Oswald brought the gun in by the Curtain Rod story. The man who took Oswald to work that day said that Oswald held it under his arm and under his armpit. Disassembled it was too long for that. My opinion is that the sixth floor was having a new floor put in with workers everywhere. It would have been very easy to have had the rifle inside a air duct or any number if things. The WC use the curtain rods explanation because they have nothing else. Their sole purpose was to prove Oswald was the lone assassin.
Oswald was seen working at the office of Guy Banister on the corner. He had the stamped fliers for both address. Why was he working forFair Play for Cuba minute then meeting with anti Castro people like David Ferry? He was playing both sides in fact he was trying to infiltrate the conspiracy to kill Kennedy in hopes to stop it but got framed in the long run. Perfect patsy set up. Think about this. It was the height of the Cold War. No one trusted the Russian communists. Oswald denounced his citizenship and threatens to tell the Russians all he knows? He speaks Russian. He moved there and married a Russian girl and brings her home!! Ong god what a perfect set up to have him set up as a line soirée if the president and cop!
You agree that the fbi and the government F&$ up serious with the cover up afterwards. The autopsy was a total F8$$ up.
The magic bullet how did that bullet penetrate two men n seven wounds but why didn’t it blow right threw Kennedy?
I’d love to discuss this more with you. Ty.
This is only part of the story..... Oswald was seen in the lunch room and not out of breath from running down stairs if he had been the shooter. A witness who worked in the same building as Oswald said. Second the police motor bike with the suck mic recorded 4 shots not 3. and who killed Officer Tibbets? Oswald would not have been able to have made that meeting in time. The shells in Oswalds revolver were not the same type as the bullets that killed Tibbets. There is just to much evidence that Vice President Johnson did it. He had the power and he pulled the strings. He had millions invested in arms manufacturing and Kennedy signed ex order 216 keeping our people out of Vietnam a day after Kennedy is killed Johnson signs ex order 217 committing our troops to Vietnam....
This is only part of the story…. You didn’t tell the whole story., I can’t believe you wouldn’t tell the whole story you have got the most important part, how could you leave out any detail?? one person reported hearing night shots. How could you leave this out? Oswald was seen by the vending machine not being able to decide what he wanted from the vending machine while everyone was running around frantically. Does this sound like a killer to you? How could you leave this out, President Johnson had so much to gain and Oswald was just trying to get a snack from the vending machine. How could you leave this out? President Johnson wanted to be president so bad he hired a Russian to shoot JFK from the Book Depository, where he worked duh. But then they accidentally used the wrong rifle to frame them, it was a Mauser. And also he was shot from the front and his head move back into the left. That was because the Russians were actually shooting from the front. The Cubans were shooting from the side, and, President Johnson, who hired John F Kennedy was shooting from the lunch room at the vending machine. How
Oswald DID NOT shoot Kennedy!!!! He shot three times. The first hit the lamp post, the second one hit a tree, the third was the bullet that hit Kennedy in the NECK, EXITED, AND WEN INTO CONNELLY!!!! The fatal shot came from the SIDE AT THE GRASSY KNOLL!!! The side shot, Kennedy slumped to the LEFT, INTO JACKIE'S LAP. And she wasn't trying to get OUT of the car, she WAS PICKING UP THE FRAGMENTS OF KENNEDY'S BRAIN MATTER!!!!! The ones responsible for his killing, was Lyndon B. Johnson, the FBI, and the CIA. Johnson didn't want to be VICE President... HE WANTED TO BE PRESIDENT!!!! He was such an ahole to people. He even DEMANDED that they swear him in "right away so that someone is in charge"!!!!! He wouldn't even give Jackie 5 minutes to compose herself. He DEMANDED she be by his side to get sworn in asap!!! Jack Ruby shot Oswald to send a message that whoever killed John, the same would be done to him. THERE WAS A SECOND SHOOTER THAT EVEN OSWALD DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. You can't shoot a gun straight and the target fall to the left or right. It is impossible to shoot someone front or back and they fall sideways. The shot came from the SIDE.
Have you ever shit a gun?