Joan Sutherland and Tito Gobbi

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  • @timsuffolk
    @timsuffolk 17 років тому +6

    She sings so effortlessly here, many other sopranos are huffing and puffing singing this!

  • @2gther4ever
    @2gther4ever 12 років тому +8

    Miss you Joan. People here can write what they want; their opinions don't matter. Those of us who know you and met you know you are the greatest!

  • @leilat549
    @leilat549 3 роки тому +7

    Наслаждение. Подлинное наслаждение. Это можно слушать бесконечно.

  • @jaa80
    @jaa80 16 років тому +8

    Can't help loving to listen Sutherland's voice.. Even though she's not known very well for this role, I gotta say she's definitely one of the best Toscas ever! And still this role was just a drop in the bucket for Sutherland! What an outstanding singer she is!

  • @strauss1987
    @strauss1987 17 років тому +5

    What a testament to sutherlands versatility and beautiful singing. I've heared millions of different sopranos sing this aria, and i have to say--i did not expect sutherland to do such a fantastic job with it. Definitely one of my favorite recordings of the aria. brava

  • @tantris39
    @tantris39 16 років тому +9

    all these comments about her not being physically suited for the role of Tosca.....What IS Tosca? A famous prima donna....which is exactly what Sutherland was. It is NOT true that only razor-thin Hollywood-style-beautiful people are the only ones capable of feeling and EXPRESSING love, jealousy, etc., all the emotions that are part of the role of Tosca

  • @pamelaallori8945
    @pamelaallori8945 3 роки тому +5

    I’ll take southerland’s beautiful silky voice over callas’ highly technical cat shriek any day.

  • @dianaventura7999
    @dianaventura7999 11 років тому +13

    True, but did you know that Gobbi asked Sutherland to sing a string of Tosca's with him on stage? I'm sure he was aware of Sutherland's phenomenal vocal gifts.
    And Gobbi is a great artist because he knows if Sutherland wanted to, she could out sing him(we get a sample of this in this video when she effortlessly drowned him out when they sing at the same time.
    I really believe had Sutherland tackled Tosca, she would score another tremendous success...much like her Esclarmonde.

  • @operaboy81
    @operaboy81 17 років тому +6

    I don't think she ever sung this role completely on stage, but I know that Tito Gobbi thought she should. She might not be the greatest actress, but she did show emotion. Despite having a very different timbre from Callas, she was a Dramatic Soprano capable of singing coloratura. That's why voices like Sutherland's and Maria Callas are so rare. They were both Dramatic Coloratura's, both sang Wagner in the early part of their careers.

  • @occhioverde71
    @occhioverde71 13 років тому +13

    Tito Gobbi è il più grande Scarpia di tutti i tempi

  • @Homoclassicus
    @Homoclassicus 17 років тому +5

    I have no doubt she could've been a great Tosca had she studied and worked more in this role. She had the expressive high notes, the powerful but youthful tone, the elegiac but authoritative timbre.
    Her interpretation here does lack more spontaneity and strength, but in "Vissi d'arte" she really understands the inner quality of this reflexive moment. She doesn't "show off", just sit and sing as a reflection, not as an exhibitionist moment like many sopranos do.

  • @flaviofaccia6135
    @flaviofaccia6135 10 років тому +11

    Scarpia is the man. Gobbi is Scarpia. Gobbi is the man!

  • @sospello
    @sospello 16 років тому +6

    Interesting to hear Sutherland take on a role one would not immediately imagine her singing. Challenge well met. And although the Italian is not at all idiomatic I can understand her well enough. Brava la Stupenda e Tito nel ruolo tipico per lui è indimenticabile.

  • @EldaEsposito-em1rw
    @EldaEsposito-em1rw 3 місяці тому

    Bravissimi voci. Ezzezionai
    Gobbi. Satherland autentici ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @BaritoneDeLaTorre
    @BaritoneDeLaTorre 16 років тому +5

    Tito Gobbi, the best Scarpia.

  • @occhioverde71
    @occhioverde71 10 років тому +17

    Juan Sutherland is not Tosca, but she is very good in this rendition. Gobbi is Scarpia, the Best Scarpia we have ever heard

  • @Fredzeblak
    @Fredzeblak 17 років тому +4

    This is a 1968 Bell Telephone Hourperformance with Donald Vorhees conducting the Bell Telephone Hour Orchestra. The same for the other 60's TV studio renditions on UA-cam (Lucia, Amina, Norma, Ophélie...)

    • @kbhprinsesse
      @kbhprinsesse 4 дні тому

      Thank you! I've had some trouble finding out who the conductor was.

  • @shirleyrombough8173
    @shirleyrombough8173 5 років тому +7

    Gobbi owns Scarpia; look at the evil smile on his face. Sutherland has the voice for this role and sings with her usual power to counteract this Scarpia. Bravissimi. Bravissimo.
    l

  • @raigekimaru
    @raigekimaru 15 років тому +4

    she might not have been the most expressive, but you can't say she wasn't musical. her technique was always flawless and her ornaments tasteful. she doesn't sound the best here being out of fach, but in her bel canto rep. every note she sings is beautiful and perfectly placed.

  • @alexmacias
    @alexmacias 16 років тому +4

    Two monsters of opera! Brava Sutherland and Bravo Gobbi!

  • @clydesight
    @clydesight 10 років тому +13

    I love Tosca and have a couple of different recordings, including the Callas-Gobi pairing (a great recording!). In my opinion, Tito Gobi OWNS Scarpia! There's just no one like him! He's not just an amazing singer, he's a great actor! Thanks for sharing this video.

    • @vettegaddia6234
      @vettegaddia6234 10 років тому +7

      And after this performance, Tito Gobbi ask Joan to be his next Tosca. She declined. I feel if she had sung Tosca on stage, she would have rival many of the best Tosca, including Tebaldi and Callas.

    • @clydesight
      @clydesight 10 років тому +4

      Vette gaddia
      I think Joan Sutherland was a great singer, but, I have to say, Callas brought such fire to the role!

    • @Distefano5
      @Distefano5 8 років тому +4

      LOL Rival Tebaldi and Callas in what? Both ladies had one hell of a powerful voice, both had crystal clear dictions, both had great low, both had great temperament, both had enough stage presence and both were beautiful ladies which is also important in convincing. Sutherland had none of these, she is best in coloratura territory. Seriously this is not her game. Though it's interesting to have excerpts of her in these roles.

  • @wesskin
    @wesskin 14 років тому +4

    2 GREAT VOICES !
    PS : Listen also to Sutherland in Turandot,
    there is she BRILLIANT,
    probably the BEST Turandot !

  • @debbiewoodburn6786
    @debbiewoodburn6786 6 років тому +3

    Two magnificent voices.

  • @dianaventura7999
    @dianaventura7999 12 років тому +4

    No one touches Callas of course for ever and ever. But don't you ever insult Sutherland's beautiful song which is by far better than any of today's singers.
    But of course, Callas is the grestest Tosca, bar none. Next is Tebaldi because of tone.
    However, don't INSULT the other grestest singer of our time, Dame Joan Sutherland.
    No, she is not touching Callas in anyway here. But she does sing a beautiful "Vissi d'arte". Not in near the caliber of Callas, but still valid and definitely beautiful.

  • @niconico7281
    @niconico7281 Рік тому +1

    Fantastico video de dos monstruos de la opera!

  • @operalover42
    @operalover42 7 років тому +4

    Sutherland est juste sublissime !

  • @longlifeluke
    @longlifeluke 16 років тому +5

    gobbi...the best scarpia!

  • @puppetoz
    @puppetoz 16 років тому +3

    Thats because she never did this role onstage. This is the only recording of her ever doing it. It's hard not to look at it and wonder why she didn't- as usual she is excellent.

  • @Johnmell100
    @Johnmell100 3 роки тому +1

    Gobbi is fantastic in this role.

  • @Hako2004
    @Hako2004 17 років тому +4

    Thank you for this wonderful post. I've never seen it. Joan isn't the ideal physical type for Tosca, but the Vissi de Arte is beautifully sung.

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 4 місяці тому +2

    Лю.юблю во веки веков.

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 6 років тому +3

    Лучшие.

  • @diegomr6969
    @diegomr6969 5 років тому +2

    una de las ultimas actuaciones de gobbi IMPORTANTISIMO VIDEO ojala suban mas obras de estas de el seria realmente PRECIOSO E IMPAGABLE.

  • @Gav640
    @Gav640 16 років тому +1

    How wonderful they both are

  • @MOV1983
    @MOV1983 10 місяців тому +1

    Nice souvenir

  • @dianaventura7999
    @dianaventura7999 12 років тому +3

    Thank you for being reasonable. I am SICK AND TIRED OF SUTHERLAND AND CALLAS HUGE FANS ATTACKING EACH OTHER WHEN THEY ARE BOTH THE GREATEST SINGERS IN HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @johnruggeri843
    @johnruggeri843 9 років тому +6

    Stunning by both and Joan had no experience or long coaching as Tosca, I think for some screechy and forced sounds are more exciting, I would have paid to hear her as Tosca and if Gobbi the Great was Scarpia WOW.

  • @diegomr6969
    @diegomr6969 6 років тому +2

    belleza de obra. grazie

  • @guertron3460
    @guertron3460 4 роки тому +2

    Vossi d arti, vossi d amore....

  • @ransomcoates546
    @ransomcoates546 4 роки тому +2

    Sutherland’s ‘Quanto?’ Is hilarious.

  • @Operafiend22
    @Operafiend22 6 років тому +6

    If it came to a wrestling match between these particular two, Tosca looks as if she’s got twice the upper body strength, no need for a knife

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 4 роки тому +1

    Люблю до всяких ужастів.. Кращий!

  • @Fredzeblak
    @Fredzeblak 17 років тому +2

    Joan Sutherland never sang Tosca but recorded Visse d'arte in 1971/2 (available as a bonus on the last issue of Pussini's sor Angelica Decca recording). Here, her characterization is lacking of stength but pathos is here and what a f...ing good and wide voice: Vissi d'arte and the three "Aaahh" - 3:50!!!

  • @mrantiquedealer
    @mrantiquedealer 15 років тому +3

    Great! considering this was a special thing done for the tv.

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 5 місяців тому +1

    Люблю.

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 3 роки тому +1

    Люблю.

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 5 років тому +3

    Любовь моя.. Надо же влюбиться в Скарпиа.

  • @spannerworks1
    @spannerworks1 15 років тому +1

    Fantasticia !!
    Regards
    Ricardo ;-)

  • @rawdonqueen
    @rawdonqueen 17 років тому +3

    Holy cow! Joan, singing Puccini beautifully, and matched against Tito Gobbi. When and where was this recorded?

  • @gianandrea.navacchia
    @gianandrea.navacchia 16 років тому +1

    Bello!

  • @elballroom
    @elballroom 14 років тому +2

    BRAVA!!!!!!!!!

  • @marottajoe
    @marottajoe 9 років тому +7

    Nessuno oggi puo portare scarpe a questo Scarrpia di Gobbi.

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 4 роки тому +2

    Классссссс...!

  • @TheReizzTeam
    @TheReizzTeam 11 років тому +3

    I heard lots of Toscas...Lots of Scarpias, a few good ones. But the real SCARPIA is Gobbi

  • @blichilde
    @blichilde 15 років тому +1

    magnifici entrambi

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 4 роки тому +1

    Люблю всегда.

  • @lojundolo
    @lojundolo 16 років тому +2

    Perhaps a stranger (not italian, I mean) does'n hear the difference; but Tito sings a perfectly intelligible italian, and Joan has a beautiful sound, but I can't understand a word of the text.

  • @esterbruno8604
    @esterbruno8604 3 роки тому +1

    Tito Gobbi è il miglior Scarpia!

  • @YortOK
    @YortOK 10 років тому +4

    Sutherland had said that she regretted not working more with Gobbi, but that it wasnt the right time for her to sing Tosca.

    • @vettegaddia6234
      @vettegaddia6234 10 років тому +4

      Joan had so many options in 1968. I still feel, if she sang Tosca on stage with Gobbi, it would given her more credit than even singing "The Daughter of the Regiment" and "Rigoletto" with Pavarotti at the Met. The reason is the role of Tosca is often associated with the ultimate Prima Donna. Without Tosca, Callas would not rival Joan. And with Tosca, Sutherland's legacy would have been far greater. I am sure it would be a great success if Joan took the challenge because she will be working with Zeffirelli and Gobbi. And as much as I love Richie, Zeff and Gobbi will bring different brilliant faceta in Joan's voice and art.

    • @YortOK
      @YortOK 8 років тому +3

      ***** Sutherland sang small roles like Clotilde and Frasquita because she was still technically in training at Covent Garden. She knew when the time was right to take on larger and heavier roles. Callas' great acting and musicianship carried the last 5 years of her career. But to a great vocalist like Sutherland or Horne, thats putting the cart before the horse and we all know how that worked out for Callas.

    • @YortOK
      @YortOK 8 років тому

      ***** Is that you LohengrinT?

    • @YortOK
      @YortOK 8 років тому +2

      ***** The way both ''sides'' carry on about their respective favourites and the animosity towards the other, I think if both Callas and Sutherland were starting out today they'd just have to put their tails between their legs and abandon any hope of a career. In reality each was the others only rival in the Bel Canto repetoire, and although Callas was the greater actress, Sutherland was the more enduring vocalist. If there had been no Sutherland or Callas, then I believe Caballe wouldv'e been hailed as the great bel canto artist of the last half of the 20th century.

  • @LC-ig2jm
    @LC-ig2jm 10 років тому +8

    dame joan certainly have the huge voice to overpower even gobbi. she should have sung the entire role on stage or record it. it may be as good as her turandot.

  • @AmorediPazzia
    @AmorediPazzia 15 років тому +1

    This was filmed in 1968.

  • @nabucco4610
    @nabucco4610 4 роки тому +1

    Tremendamente bravo

  • @dynomax101
    @dynomax101 15 років тому +1

    Bravo! Yes, Tantris, you got it EXACTLY.

  • @eternalmariacallas2283
    @eternalmariacallas2283 4 роки тому +3

    Joan Sutherland was 6 foot 2!!!! Jesus!

    • @eternalmariacallas2283
      @eternalmariacallas2283 4 роки тому +1

      Barone Vitellio Scarpia yep I think she was more close to 5 foot 9. How tall are you?

    • @eternalmariacallas2283
      @eternalmariacallas2283 4 роки тому +1

      Barone Vitellio Scarpia Does height and voice have any relationship?

    • @eternalmariacallas2283
      @eternalmariacallas2283 4 роки тому +1

      Barone Vitellio Scarpia 5 foot 8 is a good height for a man.

    • @eternalmariacallas2283
      @eternalmariacallas2283 4 роки тому

      I’m kind of tall for my age, 183 Cm

    • @georgesudwoj420
      @georgesudwoj420 Рік тому +4

      Please don't use the name of Jesus in vain! I had the privilege to walk past Joan Sutherland and Luciano Pavarotti backstage at the Metropolitan Opera House. She was 6 foot tall but with heels she was 6' 2" ~ as tall as Luciano and I. When Joan Sutherland sang, the voice was so breathtakingly & beautifully huge that one didn't know from where it was coming. This great privilege I had in 1975 - 1976 at the Metropolitan Opera House in New York City, Joan Sutherland sang BELLINI: I PURITANI and MASSENET: ESCLARAMONDE !

  • @greaterben
    @greaterben 15 років тому +2

    for once i hear some of Joan's words.....hmm

  • @herrbrucvald6376
    @herrbrucvald6376 5 років тому +2

    Fabulous. So vulnerably womanly and feminine......
    .....yet in real life we know who could have kicked some Greek ass.

  • @despertardelaconciencia369
    @despertardelaconciencia369 9 років тому +3

    Sutherland no esta a la altura de Tosca, Maria Callas hizo una obra maestra de ese rol; su entendimiento del personaje hicieron que fueran escalofriantes incluso sus silencios, su modo de andar y sus gestos pertenecen a Tosca, su voz nerviososa y angustiada y llena de tanto poder... A Sutherland no le alcanza.

  • @dianaventura7999
    @dianaventura7999 12 років тому +3

    Extremely insulted. Sutherland is not Tosca. But she does not deserve insults like this. I am a Sutherland fan as well as Callas.
    And I will be equally insulted if Sutherland fans insult Callas as some do here...Very insulting.

  • @MAPIAKALLAS
    @MAPIAKALLAS 13 років тому +4

    Im sorry but this duet is all about titto Gobbi miss Southerlands well she is not a tosca and i have to agree with Lahire22... It takes a maria callas to sing a realistic tosca and Gobbi is awesome with Callas period

  • @erricobonelli5343
    @erricobonelli5343 9 років тому +3

    La Sutherland non è assolutamente Tosca,anche se il suo "Vissi d'arte",dal punto di vista vocale (ma solo quello!) non è affatto male.Gobbi,pur ghignando troppo,è indubbiamente Scarpia,forse il più grande.

  • @MAPIAKALLAS
    @MAPIAKALLAS 16 років тому +1

    Tito you are one wonderful singer and a great scarpia just awesome about southerlands i dont know about her yes she has a great voice but a tosca no i dont think so here you see tito been scarpia while sutherlands trys to act tosca just bad...

  • @dynomax101
    @dynomax101 15 років тому +4

    Seems you read somewhere that Dame Joan's diction was poor so you automatically don't understand anything she is singing? While she's not the beat singing actress I've ever heard as Tosca, she does a fine job. You like others better? FINE! So do I! But why dismiss her great performance because of that? 2nd best is nothing? You try singing at her level, then...and let us all see where you rank.

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 5 років тому +1

    Класссс! Оба - прекрасны, разве что внешность не совпадает, или что- нибудь мало касающееся оперы как таковой, т.е. - мира музыки.

  • @TreblesBasses
    @TreblesBasses 15 років тому +1

    WHAT YEAR IS THIS?

  • @bertagloriabustamante6714
    @bertagloriabustamante6714 3 роки тому +2

    Gobbi el mejor y unico Scarpia.ella buena pero no la mejor Tosca

  • @timsuffolk
    @timsuffolk 16 років тому

    I agree as always jabey!

  • @saverioorlando
    @saverioorlando 17 років тому

    Great young vocalist for Puccini: maybe not her best role,but really stupenda.

  • @shaun20483
    @shaun20483 15 років тому

    clever dress!

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 4 роки тому

    Оба!!! Но такой горизонт... спакостили с"емку кинув размеры в ширину...

  • @JohnInMableton
    @JohnInMableton 16 років тому +1

    Tito Gobbi portrays a great Scarpia but if you want to see and hear the real Scarpia--that's Ruggero Raimondi. As for Sutherland, wonderful voice but she isn't suitable for Tosca physically.

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 6 років тому +1

    Лучший Скарпиа, а Сазерленд с прекрасным голосом Джильды и внешностью... хоть царицы Ночи.., Тоска более .. не такая... в моем необразованном понимании.

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 6 років тому +1

    Лучший Скарпиа. Сазерленд - голос и весь внутренний человек, но фактура не совпадает, что в опере не первое дело, и прекрасно.

    • @ВераВиноградова-д3с
      @ВераВиноградова-д3с 3 роки тому +1

      Так у нее и голос совершенно не подходит - лирико-колоратурному сопрано, даже исключительному, как Сазерленд, никогда не спеть нормальную Тоску. А Гоби - Злодей Злодеич во всех ролях, прямолинейная и незамысловатая актерская игра, вокал хороший, но это не лучшая его запись.

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 5 років тому +1

    Запись никудышняя. Певцы прекрасны.

    • @lahire22
      @lahire22  5 років тому +1

      Этого достаточно же. ))))

  • @СеклитаЛимариха
    @СеклитаЛимариха 6 років тому

    Паскудно одели Тоску, подчеркнув все невыигрышное, и, затаив то, что можно показать. Великий и великая!

    • @lahire22
      @lahire22  6 років тому +1

      Music above all

  • @dynomax101
    @dynomax101 15 років тому

    Since you seem to know EVERYTHING and cannot be bothered by reality, no use replying to your comments. Sutherland's diction was not always the best, true, but she was not bad all the time. Sorry, but pedants bore me to tears.

  • @jmiller05
    @jmiller05 12 років тому +4

    Sutherland was no verismo singer, and certainly not a Puccini virtuoso. Bad diction, lower register is smothered and becomes inaudible, and she doesn't seem to carry the voice with the music. She seems ridiculously behind the tempo.

    • @fabriturri1887
      @fabriturri1887 4 роки тому +1

      Fabio. Da sempre innamorato di Gobbi. La pienezza della voce l'istrionismo e le sfumature...mai più ascoltate. Turri

  • @TheReizzTeam
    @TheReizzTeam 11 років тому

    And, plus, even if I am a big fan of Dame Sutherland, Tosca is a dramatic role, a coloratura soprano doesn't fit the role

  • @miguelantoniofaundezrojas2826
    @miguelantoniofaundezrojas2826 5 років тому +1

    Nunca fue el personaje. Ni siquiera su pronunciación es buena. Una Tosca para el olvido.

    • @lahire22
      @lahire22  5 років тому +1

      La música es internacional e irracional; comprender la musica!