(UPDATED) P320 MANUAL SAFETY CONVERSION TOOLKIT
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- In this UPDATED video I introduce the MSAFE-T kit for the P320 (available now through WWW.SIGMECH.STORE and other retailers) and review the step-by-step methods I use in order to convert a previously non-manual safety P320 so that it can accept a factory manual safety lever assembly with the same specs found on the M17 or M18 models. Please note that although the MSAFE-T kit will work to convert ANY non-manual safety FCU, the grip cutting tool however is specifically made for the X-Series (and T-TEN) grip modules. (Standard grip template coming in 2024!).
CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Intro
2:59 - Disclaimer
3:40 - MSAFE-T Package Contents
5:20 - Required Project Tools
6:33 - Optional Project Tools
6:51 - Required PPE
INSTALLATION:
7:28 - FCU Template Installation
13:41 - Grip Template Installation
FCU:
19:02 - FCU Pre-Cutting Information
27:14 - FCU Cutting Process
29:22 - FCU Manual Safety Test Fitting
32:59 - Manual Safety Assembly Installation
GRIP:
37:30 - Grip Pre-Cutting Information
39:28 - Grip Cutting Process
41:07 - Grip Module Troubleshooting
POST WORK INFORMATION:
46:01 - FCU/Grip Test Fitting
46:47 - Outro
FCU DISASSEMBLY:
• P320 FCU - A TEXTBOOK ...
FCU REASSEMBLY:
• P320 FCU - A TEXTBOOK ...
* The MSAFE-T Tooklit is designed by Sig Mechanics and sold through SIGMECH INC. All parts must be installed and inspected by a qualifiewd gunsmith in accordance to all local, state and federal laws. By installing and/or using the MSAFE-T, you are agreeing to take full and complete responsibility for any and all legal, health and warranty consequences that may be incurred. INSTALL AT YOUR OWN RISK *
I ordered this conversion kit a while back. I got around to using it on my P320 last week. The kit worked great. I followed the videos carefully, pausing and rewinding as needed. Everything went very well. I used some small files from Harbor Freight to smooth out the side of the cut that the safety lever detent rides on. Reassembly of the FCU went well.
I added a X carry grip and a X5 Legion flat trigger. After getting everything back together, my full size p320 feels great. I have owned and carried a several 1911s and this manual safety on my p320, feels to me like a safety on a 1911.
Unlike a 1911, the P320 safety can be on while loading and clearing the pistol. The safety locks the trigger but does not lock the slide. The safety can also be on during a "press check" to verify if a round is chambered. The manual safety also gives more peace of mind when holstering.
I highly recommend this kit for anyone needing to modify their FCU to allow an installation of a manual safety. This kit has very high quality components and fits tightly to the FCU to allow a proper and precise modification. This kit is a solid 5 out of 5 stars for both price and quality.
Wow, what an excellent testimonial! Thanks for your support and I’m very happy to hear your happy with the outcome!!
If you don’t mind I would love it if you would take the time to write a review on the website.
Thanks again!
As a US Army weapons mechanic your videos are well done and very informative. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
Thank you! Just ordered!!
Thank you for your support!
Finally in stock. thank you. just got one. Cheers mate!
Thank you for your support! Merry Christmas!!
Very well done video! I just did this conversion on my P320 X-Carry with your kit and it was very straightforward to follow along.
Thank you!
I ordered one of these kits today. Also, your videos are amazing in both content and production quality.
Hi. I just saw your package fulfilled a little while ago! Thanks for your support and your kind words! Once you get it let me know if you have any questions.
Update. The package arrived to my mailbox yesterday. All the items look great and were neatly packaged. I should have some free time and a few other parts gathered up by the end of the month. I will report back when I get it done. I looking forward to using this product. Thanks again!
Kit was awesome to use and the conversion was super easy doing it along with your video. Also THANK YOU for the forgotten takedown leaver video 😅
Always glad to hear that it was an easy job! You’re very welcome, don’t sweat it. We’ve all been there at least once with the forgotten takedown (myself dozens of times).
Brilliant design
Thank you!
I just like this for making grip swapping on the m models easier. I just freeballed the cuts on an x series grip for my m17 and it turned out alright but not perfect.
You are a Saint. Thank you
Thanks to your "video guidance" - without any trouble, on my P320 I have changed factory springs on ArmoryCraft kit.
On coming Sunday I'll be getting to a manual safety installation (based on your guidance again) using MSAFE-T kit, hope all will go "as planned" 🙂.
Have to thank - You and Sig Guy, you folks make our lives much easier!
Thank you! You’re going to do just fine with the MSAFE-T, out of the thousands of kits out there I have yet to have anyone not make it work for them. Take your time and enjoy the process.
Also, feel free to message me if you have any questions while you’re working or in general.
Thanks again for your support and for watching!
@@SIGMECHANICS Hello there!
As “promised” today I was busy with manual safety kit installation and it went like a charm for me.
Most of the time I’ve spend on disassembly and reassembly 😊 , cutting FCU took about 25-30 minutes and I have managed not to destroy the template, actually it survived even without scratches. One just really have to be careful and mod is perfectly doable. Cutting grip took just 10 minutes, both sides.
Thank you very much for very well done videos on subject (series!), keep it up!
Thanks again and best wishes from the other side of the globe, faraway Georgia (not the USA state) 😎
Absolutely phenomenal instruction video. I bought your kit, followed your well laid out instructions and it worked great. Just FYI, I used it on a Wilson Combat grip module and it fit perfectly.
That’s great to hear! I’d definitely appreciate a review on the SIGMECH store if you have some time!
@SIGMECHANICS Will do.
First of your videos i gave watched, and love the content and how you present it. You have done an excellent gob sir. Love the 320. However like others carrying it I have some concerns about the lack of safety on it ie…. Trigger, thumb, grip, double action like others. These have a low single action trigger pull. I carry properly and safely with hours of training. I think some type of manual safety on a carry gun is just responsible. As for a range only Queen. I safety outside of pulling the trigger is just fine.
Also a very short pull
This kit is a great idea. I love the P320, I have two of them but they are both the manual safety version. The trigger on the on the P320, for all intents and purposes, is single-action-only and a manual safety is simply a requirement for safe carry (imho).
I found a lot of people feel the same way, personally I like to have the additional option to swap back and forth, making the FCU more “modular”.
This is essentially how I feel about _ALL_ light trigger pull semiautomatic pistols. Even with the trigger dingus Glocks have discharged uncommanded, *against* what the fanboys claim. Unless it’s got a heavy pull such as the Glock NY & NY+ then it should have at least the option for a manual safety.
Thanks 👍
It works
If u guys want top notch mods go with the sig mechanic 👨🔧
Looks like a great kit. Nice work and excellent video to walk through the process. What ever happened to your dry fire training tool?
Thank you! The dry fire tool was a bit expensive to make (I don't want to charge a large amount if I can help it), however, I have been asked quite a bit about this and I feel like it might be worth making a limited amount to see how it goes.
Ordered one.
Thank you for your support! Let me know if you have any questions.
It would be awesome if you'd consider doing a video on the whys and how's an aftermarket recoil spring effects function and felt recoil.
I will eventually. I’ve thought about ways to be able to measure and demonstrate the results, it’s difficult to express “felt” recoil (based on scientific papers regarding felt recoil), so I would rather show you true recoil so it can be understood and quantified by subscribers.
I’ll get back to you guys on this one !
Very nice and well done video.
Just one question. Does this work with the legion as well because of the tungsten infusion grip? Maybe I missed that information in your video.
Thank you so much.
Chris
Thank you! Yes it works with the legion. As a matter of fact the grip I cut in this video is a legion model.
Just used your kit. It is amazing. Only issue I ran into is that my slide release levers on both sides are interfering with the safety wings. How do I fix?
Are you using stock manual safety levers? There is no way that the levers should be long enough to interact with the slide catch levers. Send me a picture and I’ll see if I can work out what happened. sigmechanics@gmail.com
Have you tried this on an AXG frame? Would love to see that.
I personally have not, however I’ve had several people try it successfully. Keeping in mind that the kit is not made for use with the AXG, they had to be extra careful to not let the grip template slip (the AXG material is thinner than the poly grips). Other than that the FCU cutting is the same and very easy to do.
I have a question. SIG Sauer P320 has been on the news regarding the safety of the firearm. Will this safety lever prevent the discharges I have been hearing about?
The toolkit will simply be adding a manual safety. For all intents and purposes it WILL prevent an accidental trigger pull.
It’s actually a direct replication of the M17 military service pistol, so use will be the exact same.
@Sig Mechanics , How about for a P320 AXG grip module, have you tried that with this kit?
Although the grip mod kit was not designed for it, I have had people successfully cut the AXG. The template is just a bit loose (requires extra tape to thicken the surface) and the AXG grip panels need to be cut by hand. FCU portion works just fine like any other P320.
@@SIGMECHANICS Would love to see it done ;)
@andrewthornton9374 send me an email at sigmechanics@gmail.com to discuss.
Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but will this work on the P320 X5 Legion? I have not purchased the pistol yet because of the lack of a safety and this seems like it is the answer I have been looking for to make it the perfect handgun.
Yes it absolutely will work with the X5. Specifically the kit was made for the X-series grip (which comes with the X5) so you’d be all set.
Once you get your gun, if you have any questions feel free to send me a message at sigmechanics@gmail.com
Did I miss something. What is the second and mill for? Ordering one right now. Call me old fashioned but I love manual thumb safeties
You didn’t miss anything. The two cutters will work on the FCU, I only provide a second tungsten cutter in case you want the extra “power” it provides while cutting. I recommend starting with the standard cutter and only use the tungsten if you’re comfortable. It’s simply for added convenience.
Awesome, thank you. Just placed my order. I have an about 5 to convert. I’ll patiently wait for the OG frame jig (or free hand it like I’ve done before).
@kldahlin That’s great! Thank you for your support!! If you’re doing 5, I recommend you make sure to take it easy and avoid as much touching of the cutting bit to the templates (avoid cutting into the template itself as best you can). I’ve heard of people doing up to 3 so I’m interested in knowing how 5 will turn out, mainly if the cutting bits will manage that many. Keep me in the loop!
would a manual safety essentially negate the loss of saftey from the adjustable trigger when activated?
Sort of, but not really. The issue will still be present, but the addition of the MS assembly will prevent further travel of the trigger which will stop an AD where a non-MS would let it happen.
If your preference is to have the adjustable trigger (fully tuned) then I would strongly recommend the addition of the MS.
Any tips for cutting Icarus grip module? Which cutting bit do you recommend?
I haven’t modded the Icarus grips, but I do see people modding the AXG successfully. The kit comes with two cutting bits. They will both work extremely well so you don’t need to use the tungsten bit per se, it comes down to personal preference. I prefer using the carbide cutter because it is more forgiving if you don’t have experience cutting.
I'll report back with my experience after im done. Thanks for all that you do for the Sig community and finally picked up the msafe-t kit. The grip module cutout template was a great addition to the kit. @@SIGMECHANICS
How does the manual safety on a p three twenty actually work? You did a wonderful illustration on the p365. Can you do the same on the p320?
Absolutely. I’m actually working on that exact video right now!
Was also wondering. Can't wait
have any thoughts on why the pre upgrade p320 would go off when dropped, they claim the trigger was too heavy and its mass was causing it to fire when dropped, but ive seen people hit the p320 with a hanmer in the back while the gun is being pointed vertically and it also goes off, so it cant be the mass of the trigger
The hammer test vs drop test is essentially the same thing. When the gun drops to the floor and makes impact the trigger through inertia will keep moving (like how when you break hard in your car, your body keeps wanting to move forward), similarly, when you impact the gun with a hammer, your essentially causing the same motion, the transfer of energy from the hammer will go to the trigger, the trigger is in a pivot, and if the momentum is strong enough, the trigger will want to travel.
Of course the same travel still happens with a lighter trigger, but with a light trigger there is not enough mass to overcome the internal springs and levers whereas the heavy trigger will retain more energy from the impact and therefore force passed the safeties and literally pull the trigger enough to fire.
This can be said of pretty much all guns, it’s not exclusive to the P320.
@@SIGMECHANICS ah great explination, thank you for the reply, i had been wondering why but it makes perfect sense. thanks again for taking the time to respond, wonderfull youtube channel
@@donfransisco9404 I do believe you owe SIG an apology.
@@vahngeo2260 sorry sig
Going to order a kit and a safety parts kit soon fr9m you
It’s currently sold out, but only for another week.
The reason being, I’ve made some revisions to the kit for the next batch, most notable is the upgraded material to S7 tool steel! (Even though no one has ever brought it up, I figured that for the little extra cost, I can make the MSAFE-T the absolute highest quality I could - meaning less room for errors while you cut and more chances to reuse the kit on another FCU due to less wear).
Also, this does not mean the price goes up, I’m doing this at no additional cost, I just like making awesome stuff!
Make sure to sign up for restock updates on the website. Thanks for your support!!
What an awesome reason to be out of stock! I'll be a couple days out on getting my spare p320 anyways. So probably will be restocked by the time I have the FC In-hand. Thanks for everything, and for doing these videos.
I'm glad to see Manual safety kids becoming so common and so thoughtful.
Sent over here from Skips Guns... is that p365 safety happening? Looks great from his video.
The real answer is… maybe. That lever was a prototype I am working on (just for fun), and the over-sized design was not something I expected people to want. After making it I also started to work on a more toned down version (more of an “enhanced” safety less of a P226 type. So far I’ve gotten a lot of positive feedback from within the channel community, but not a lot outside our little “bubble”.
Therefore I’m looking into a smaller production run, but unless the prices make sense (I don’t want you guys to pay a crazy high fee for just a prototype lever), I might have to wait until that works out (value wise). I’m actively looking now and if I find a manufacturer that works I definitely will let the community know.
I wish I could do this to my aluminum legion 320 ha.
Although the kit is not made for it, several people have emailed me to let me know that they converted the AXG using the kit. It just takes a little bit more work in the sense that you must manually hold the jig in place while you cut and the side grips need to be cut, free hand
QQ. I have a P320 AXG Scorpion which has the aluminum grip module. Are the included bits usable in my case?
The kit isn’t specifically made for the AXG because the sides of the AXG grips are thinner than the polymer ones. That being said, a few people have successfully converted the AXG using the kit, but you have to 1. Manually retain the template steady, and 2. Remove the side grip covers and finish the cuts into the grips themselves freehand.
They do look very nice once completed but not having done it myself I cannot say if it was a simple modification or if it took extra time to complete it.
Hope this helps!
@@SIGMECHANICS thanks that makes sense. It think it should be ok. It is just an expensive grip to replace if I mess it up :)
@@davehahn23we’re you able to get your scorpion cut out. I’m thinking about doing the same thing? Thanks
@@kingdomliving5868 I have all the stuff but have not had time tomorrow do it yet
seems like this kit doesn't come with the actual safety lever. where should i buy that? also, the description says the grip cutting tool is not for the standard grip. i have a standard p320 full size, does that mean this kit wont fully work for me? sorry for the questions, the number of options for the p320 is mind numbing i can't keep track
You’re not kidding, the amount of variations is mind-boggling. You are right the kit does not come with the manual safety assembly that you will have to pick up from your favourite retailer. The kit will work for your P320 without any issues. The current kit being sold is the V2 that means that you can use this on both X series grips as well as the standard grips.
Can the AXG grip module be converted to use a manual safety?
Yes it can. However this kit is not specifically made for the AXG. Although several people have used it to successfully make the conversion the AXG requires you to manually cut the side panel grips.
Man hopefully they’re back in stock soon
Production is done so they will be here very soon!
@@SIGMECHANICS sweet just got a p320 and want a manual safety before i carry it
Will this fit on p320 xten carry compact 10mm? Thanks.
Although you can mod the grip and FCU in the X-Ten compact, the problem lies with the factory lever assembly. The compact version has a slide that’s wider and does not let the levers move freely (they impact the slide), I have had people modify the lever wings to accommodate this however and it does work but will require extra cutting to the factory parts.
@SIGMECHANICS 😊 Thank you so very much. I appreciated the response and detailed explanation. 👌
Will the work with the new Sig Legion P365... I really hope so as Sig seems to not offer a manual safety on their new version of P365's and P320's.
No this kit is specifically for the P320. Although converting the P365 is substantially easier since you only really need to modify the grip and buy the lever.
All P365 FCUs simply need to drop in the safety lever, no other mods are needed.
Thank you for your reply. When the new M17/18's w/ X Grips arrive, I will be getting one and get your kit for that.
@@SIGMECHANICS
I did forget one thing.... the new Legion P365 is metal...I don't see any markings for the manual safety notch on the side(s).
Yes, the fact that it’s metal won’t be a problem. For example even though the MSAFET kit is not specifically for the AXG I’ve had people successfully mod the grip. I know people do mod the 365 grip too so if you have the knowledge you should be able to do it just as easily.
Is this work possible on axg grip?
Unofficially yes, I have had people successfully do this to the AXG, although the kit is not made specifically for it. The grip panels have to be milled by hand though.
One of my sig 320’s has the Wilson combat grip module. Can I still use this shaft install ? By the way both my signs are x-carry and x-5.
Thanks
Yes, it works with the WC grip as well.
Safety install *
@@SIGMECHANICS can you recommend a good smith to do the work near Howell mi. ? I’m 69 & disabled so my hands are a bit shaky. 🤷♂️
@Patriot-1 I DON’T know anyone in that area, although I can say the process is relatively simple, any smith with the smallest amount of knowledge about handheld tools like a Dremel should be able to do this work.
@@SIGMECHANICS since Michigan is a “blue” state 😢 I think that’s all we have here… a small amount of knowledge 🤷♂️
But thanks I’ll be looking into it. I have no idea why I didn’t get the thumb safety in the first place, and my X-5 I inherited from my son
Would you consider making your own trigger that has a trigger safety?
I am working on a few trigger models! I haven’t specifically designed one with an additional trigger safety but it is easy enough once a design is finalized to make some revisions to make that happen. I know there’s a demand since I see this question come up often.
@@SIGMECHANICS That would be absolutely fantastic. I'm still trying to learn about all the safety features and I'm typically used to DA/SA guns. I read a comment pretty much saying Sig just made a single action striker. Once I dry fired mine it made complete sense due to how light and little the take up is. I'm still trying to learn of the dingus or safety blade will even help with more so holstering safety.
Just want to triple check before buying parts. This will work with an XTEN using the P320 manual safety kit from Sig correct?
Yes. The X-Ten full size.
Thank you for the help! And great video!
@@SIGMECHANICS, so I won't work on the xten comp?
@@Sig_Steve technically no. The problem, however, is not cutting the FCU and the grip. However, the stock manual safety lever dimensions don’t work with the wider slide.
@@SIGMECHANICS interesting, so the xten full size has a narrower slide?
I installed the kit, but my slide release makes contact with the manual safety lever. Anyone run into that issue?
I think the issue might be the way it was re-assembled. Feel free to send me some pics to sigmechanics@gmail.com
Hi will this kit work for a p320 max?
Yes it will.
Is the template steel much harder than the frame steel?
By a margin yes, you can cut into both the template and the FCU if you don’t manage pressure on the cutting bit. However the steel on the template was specially selected to hold up as much as possible and a chromed coating is added to add to the strength and allow a bit of contact time with the cutting tool.
Any reliable technicians out there you can recommend to send my P365 to?
I don’t have anyone in particular. Hopefully someone here can provide a source.
Will this work on the Xten 10mm Comp?
No, even though you can cut the FCU and grip and also install the MS, the X-ten comp seems to have a thicker slide that prevents the MS lever from actually shifting up.
@@SIGMECHANICS Any plans to make a kit for the Comp? I get trigger awareness, but a 3 pound hair trigger with no safety is lunacy.
@boltblazer1670 the problem isn’t that the kit won’t work it’s that the Factory parts don’t fit that model. Technically, you can still modify the FCU and grip module but once you install the Sig Sauer factory parts, you will find the dimensions are too small for that slide.
Edit: I just also want to add that I have had other people simply modify the factory components by shaving off some of the manual safety’s ledge so that it clears the wider slide
What kind of barrel is that?
That is a fitted barrel from Barsto. They make excellent barrels, check them out!
Will this work for P80 grip modules?
I haven’t tried it on the P80, but based on the design side profile looks very similar to the standard grip.
@@SIGMECHANICS thanks! Just ordered your msafe kit so I’m gonna give a try on my p80 frame, thanks for making some great products and great videos!
@owenbearden5769 thank you! And also thank you for your support, these kits are helping me on a few other projects I want to put out this year.
Wow 😮, that drilling looked like a Root canal without anesthesia!!😅😂😂. Most interesting. I'll send mine in!
Ha! It’s just as nerve racking your first time, but once you get the cutter on the metal you get a feel for it and it’s super easy. If you pick one up and have any questions feel free to shoot me a message to sigmechanics@gmail.com
@@SIGMECHANICS I do own this pistol, Sig P320 full 4.7, and since it doesn't come with the MS, I contacted Sig and they said I can send it in, and they will install it, but using also a new grip modular with cutout.
Don't get me wrong, I am quite capable of doing this job, I am a mechanic of sorts and do a lot of precision work. But, not messing with my pistols warranty..Hehe.
I will do this because I normally do not carry with a round in the chamber. This is a fantastic pistol. Happy holidays..
@@SIGMECHANICS Mine is a double action, however, I'd like to know, if I ad the MS, would that change it to single action?
@MusicMinisterJP7 making this modification would not change the way the gun works in any way. However, the P320 is considered single action due to it being a striker fired gun.
@@SIGMECHANICS Really? Wow, I was then lied to, or misinformed when I was making the purchase last year. Now I feel as if I fell asleep in the movie, "The body snatchers"..lol. I did want the P226, but it wasn't available at the time. I really enjoyed your video, don't know if it was You, but the guy was very precise. If I had bought my pistol 2nd hand, then I'd do this job myself.
File the polymer grips using oil to get clean look for finishing.
Just buy a FCU with a manual safety. If you dont want the manual safety Sig sells a elimination kit.
This is more for those who either didn’t get the M17/18 or for those who just want the option to swap back and forth at their convenience.
The video on your website looks like a private UA-cam video. Can you just put a plain MP4 video up?
Thanks for the heads up, i was able to embed the correct one now.
@@SIGMECHANICS If YT decides to take the video down, how will the video still play on your website if it's still a YT video?
Can you just upload a MP4 version like it was a picture and provide a link to that file? I think that would take YT out of the loop.
Left, right, left right, left right 😊😮😅
@bob_mosavo Yes, the video itself will need to be self hosted. At the moment I need to leave it as a YT video link so people have access to it, but I’ll set up the MP4 soon. The file is about 8Gb so I’m not sure if I can easily upload the MP4 to the website via Shopify directly, I’ll speak to my developer because I’ll need a work around.
@@SIGMECHANICS Cool! Thanks 👍