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In this gripping tale, a decorated soldier uncovers a military cover-up, plunging into a dangerous quest for truth. Loyalties are tested as he delves deeper into the shadows of his past, risking everything for justice.
Starring: Kelsey Grammer, Cary Elwes, Viola Davis
Directed By: Richard Benjamin
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After watching the movie, I am glad that the military didn't take reformers seriously.
Why do you say that?
@@DASCO2136 Because they're an absolute joke. They believe that the the US military should use old and outdated equipment to solve modern military problems.
Imagine believing that the M1's engine is dangerous to troops that walk behind it because it would burn them to death, the ammo is dangerous cause it's combustible just like the M551 and my personal favorite according to Pierre Spree the M48 was more survivable than the M1 because the Army never did any live fire tests. In the aviation side of things, they're the ones who proposed that the A-10 shouldn't have any radar, radar warning receivers nor a Constantly Computed Impact Point (CCIP). Same goes with the F-15 and F-16 except they wanted it to be a gun only aircraft because missiles are unreliable.
James Burton (main character in book and film) proposed the idea of the Blitzfighter which is similar to the A-10. But when his superiors said that it should get a radar he said no basically because according to him radar can't differentiate a tank to a tree or a car filled with refugees. Also, when the army was making the A1 to improve survivability he suggested that the Bradley should put all of its ammo and fuel outside the vehicle and during the Army's High Survivability Test Bed Program the Army moved the water supply to the center of the vehicle so that if it got hit and there was an internal fire the water would put it out and he was outraged because according to him that's cheating apparently.
I wished we had we are in a world where the Russians were stopped by fucking Maxim machine guns and cold war RPGs while our super high tech wonder weapon tanks can't even cross trenches and anti tank ditches that ww1 generals would see no difference in from the war they just left.
@@zeo-pe5sgfound the Russian bot
@@Woodartifact388 why you booing me I'm right. Last I checked the whole war has devolved into trench warfare and artillery duels with drones and attack Helicopters.
The fuel tanks being filled with water and the ammunition being filled with sand was to show which ones were most venerable. If the entire vehicle exploded, it would be difficult to tell which one did.
They also stripped the dummies so they could douse the uniforms with water first. When they did the test, they could see which uniforms were about to ignite without them all burning to ash.
Venerable? Like this? Accorded a great deal of respect, especially because of age, wisdom, or character
@@Flea-Flicker vulnerable. He meant vulnerable
You tubers Chieftain and Spookston have very good videos debunking this. Lazerpig has a video debunkinf the whole fighter mafia/reformer lot.
Do I believe Department of Defense apologists or do I believe a whistle blower? The military has been lying and covering up for as long as I can remember. I am 81 years old. The military does not respect or trust civilians. Civilians should not respect or trust the military.
@@gordonhaire9206 Not all "Whistle Blowers" are created equal
and Burton sure wasn't the brilliant, bright-eyed hero he made himself in his own book.
@@gordonhaire9206that “whistleblower” was in a group who called the Abrams tank, F-15, and F-22 shit. That “whistleblower” even designed a discount A-10 with only a gun and a radio. That “whistleblower” and his ilk’s live fire test basically dumbs down to destroying a not-tank with a tank-killing weapon. What even is the methodology when you know it will destroy something that isn’t a tank? It’s like trying to study air crashes by putting the damn thing into a shredder and hydraulic press. You learn nothing from it other than it’s dead. So I’ll take the DoD “apologists” on this one.
@@poisonshadow317 butthurt much ?
'You can't afford a door like that" gets me every time
😂😊
Winning wars does not pay the bills, sustained wars pay the bills
In recent years, it's been discovered that Burton lied about a lot of things that are portrayed here. It's frustrating because Burton's approach involves playing with people's emotions. People like underdogs fighting the system, and he knows that all too well. Few examples.
-The MICV program that led to the Bradley was always intended to have a turret. One of the early proposals was more or less a modified M113 that had a turret.
-The Bradley program was actually around 4 billion UNDERBUDGET when Burton was involved in the program. This was out of a total project budget of 12 billion, as was discussed during the real-life hearing (which is portrayed late in the film).
-Burton was the one who came up with the Joint Live Fire Test Program, in which he intended to destroy Bradleys. This was opposed because a.) he would be covering ground already covered and b.) it would be a costly program compared to point-by-point tests. Burton decided to see this as evidence of a cover-up.
Other things, like the bit about water in the gas tanks, are misrepresented to make him look like the good guy. This shows vulnerabilities without completely destroying a vehicle or rendering it useless. The film also plays on emotions by making you think that the M2 needs to withstand anything and everything. And that anyone who doesn't agree with this doesn't care about the troops.
So why did Burton go on this crusade, anyways? There's evidence to suggest that Burton was taking his anger out on the military for rejecting an aircraft proposal he drew up. He prided himself in being against things like infared, radar, and other such things. He was told the aircraft would at least need a radar, which he proclaimed couldn't tell the difference between a tank and a VW bus full of civvies (spoiler alert: things like radar and thermals allow you to make that distinction). So when his idea was turned down, he reacted like a kid being told to eat their vegetables.
This isn't a story about exposing corruption and fighting for the men in the field. This is a fable spun by a scorned man looking to get even, consequences be damned, using manipulation and half-truths.
It's like the Death of Stalin - dramatized, and best looked at as a good example of politicking.
Both movies are not a documentary.
Yep, bullshit. Still doesn't change that the US military overspends like crazy and has to an increasing degree pursued idiotic or at least badly thought out and non-dedicated designs, due to the politicking and lucrativeness of a war economy for a country that doesn't itself have to directly go to war.
The good end of it is in fact represented by things like the Bradley and the F-35; Vehicles and pieces of equipment which after a whole lot of brute forcing and in combination with intense testing and first-round field fixes end up as decently functional combat hardware. But that's the _good_ end of the spectrum. On the other end you have things like UCP camo, the Osprey, torpedoes that consistently fail to perform, countless cases of radar and lidar design failures... Usually smaller things, granted - but it all adds up.
That's the problem. That's what ol' Dwight was partially warning about. The fundamental incentive of the Military Industrial Complex is to be an inefficiency maximizer. And while it may be that eventually enough of the stuff that gets turned out just by sheer amount of shit thrown at the wall passes muster... Well, when e.g. the CV90 can measure up to the Bradley or even by small measures outperform it, that's not a big whopper; But when put in the perspective that it was designed, tested and built by a marginal back-end nation in about half the time and at a _fraction_ of the cost... The comparison that springs to mind is Honda, Suzuki and all the others getting beat by Ducati in MotoGP. When they're giant industrials with billions dedicated to racing development and experience from even more fields to pull, while the other is a hard-run comparatively boutique shop with less than a twelfth of the budget.
The problem is the waste. Which is in itself a two-way street. Because firstly that money goes towards that churning machine of turning around metal uselessly, seeing as it will often simply end up on the scrap heap - which is not the harm in itself really; It's called a deterrence, and it does get recovered and sponsor some actual production and engineering and recovery jobs and turnout. But it does do harm by over-promoting the unmeritorious and boosting politicals and agendas that couldn't work without the oodles of waste cash and sleaze that it enables. And secondly, that money then detracts from or crowds out the stuff and the people that is actually meritorious, more focused on pure engineering.
That's the issue that some kind of film _should_ have been made about. It's just that it would be hard to film or get any sort of consistent red thread through it all, to make some kind of tie-in subject or project to center it all around for a narrative. Not to mention it would be difficult just to get some people _engaged._ "What are you talking about? We already know the military waste so much money!"
Instead we got this bit of garbage.
@@johnw1954There are some serious differences in those two movies tho - Death of Stalin is a full blown comedy, a lot of historical facts were changed or condensed in time to better fit the movie format. But overall the movie does a very good job portraying the terror Stalin posed and the political climate and power struggle which occured after his death - of course in a exaggerated, comical way.
Pentagon wars on the other hand is just straight up lies tho, fully made to discredit the military and push a false narrative.
My dad was a fighter pilot during WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. Then served at SAC and the Pentagon and retired a Colonel. I remember being in the Pentagon quite a few times as a kid back in the late 60's and early 70's. The floors go up in a real gentle spiral. Even back then there was a robot that would deliver mail down the hallway. Also there were reliefs in the walls. Dioramas of finely built model ships and planes behind glass. he was part of designing the F-111 at that time. Service had always been stressful and he drank alot. This was very enlightening as he died thirty years ago so I can't ask him about it, but I bet it was the same a few years back in his time. He retired in '72. We even went to see the military band play at the Watergate Hotel on New Years of that infamous year.
My favorite part of the movie is it tries to pitch the AF officer as being smart for wanting fuel in the test vehicle for target shooting instead of water.....when you could clearly tell if a fuel tank is ruptured from a hit with water AND reuse it for further tests instead of burning it down based on information you already know. This movie does have funny moments but in no way should any points made be taken seriously. The reformers were morons. (anyone who doesn't know who they are they are the guys that wanted to replace the F-15 with a fighter that had no radar, missiles, flares or chaff, and just a gun, basically and F-104 but worse)
That's also why they put sand in the ammunition. So they could find out which ammo boxes got hit. Instead of all of them going up in a blaze of glory.
I remember all the controversy surrounding this vehicle. Turned out to be very successful and well liked by it's crews. The Ukrainians love them.
I suspect that the Bradley is the most popular piece of armour to end up in Ukraine, but it's addition to the Western armour graveyard in Moscow is probably it's most impressive gig...
@@psalmno.51 At least there is something left to display other than a charred husk.
@@bobwoods1302 Agreed... they all burn and the Abrams in Moscow hadn't even been cleaned up before it was put on display! In fact, the video segment I watched showed the channel author get his hands dirty as he touched it. Armour of all kinds ends up burnt in Ukraine, including the "invincible" turtle tank, which is almost impossible to stop!
@@psalmno.51 Russian tank turrets have more hours in the air than the Russian air force. 😂 Slava Ukraine.
@@bobwoods1302 I have no idea what you mean, but your reply sounds like a snappy soundbite. Have you watched the (free on UA-cam) foreign language film White Tiger? If you haven't, may I recommend it? It has English subtitles but looks at the life of a tank crew in WW2, among other things. Spoiler alert... the T-34 doesn't do so well in the film!
While many hated how the story was far from factual, I still liked the movie for accurately portrays the chaotic mess of government bureaucracy and its politics. I think Kelsey Grammer did his part very well. Yes the so called "reformers" getting flamed lately for many of their dubious claim and controversy, but we have to understand that this is a movie not a documentary, and they shouldn't always be accurate and stick to the real story.
Initial, I thought it was accurate. But after reading up on, it, turns out it was extremely inaccurate and very one-sided.
The “hero” of the movie had his own theory of how the military should be run. Meanwhile, the Bradley still in service.
The movie is very accurate, it is only the current military fan boys who lack any idea what the movie is about.
Simply, the initial Bradley manufactured before 1988 was a lemon, it was until the live fire test Col. Burton insisted upon was the Bradley improved with more armor protection.
Col. Burton was worried about the survivability rate of the soldiers if the Bradley got hit not if an anti-tank weapon could pierce the armor of the Bradley.
@@michaelotieno6524
No, the movie is very inaccurate. I actually research that after I watched it. The “hero” of the movie had his own agenda. The stuff like this happened, I’m sure. But not like this. If you take things that happen and pretend it happened on this program then that’s called inaccurate.
By the way, the Bradley still in service
@@michaelotieno6524 and you do understand the conundrum facing the Army, right? That an IFV can only be so armored and protected before it becomes as heavy and as expensive as a main battle tank.
This entire movie is the film version of “Hah, I portrayed you as the soyjack and myself as the Gigachad, I win” courtesy of the ‘Reformists.’
A similar film could be made about the Boeing 737 except their emphasis is on net profits; damn safety, full speed ahead (putting profits ahead of quality inspections & safety, to keep cash flow high).
Cary Elwes being English did a damned good job of playing an American officer. I hope he does more like this movie.
It’s a good movie, despite all the misinformation and lies about the bradley, also a great satire on government and pentagon politics.
The movie says the truth about the Bradley. The current Bradley is not the same as the earlier Bradley manufactured between 1981 to 1988. The post 1988 improvements are thanks to Col. Burton here.
@@michaelotieno6524 no it does not say the truth about anything, most of the stuff in that movie that they made huge deal out are in real life non issue and most of the real issue the Bradley had where never raised by Burton, so no the later design we have of the Bradley is not thanks to Burton.
Unlike other Airforce colonels, I can speak with an English accent
What colonel calls himself a boy?
I think if they made a movie about the Sgt York DIVAD system, it would make this movie look tame in comparison.
Being as how nothing in the movie is real, yeah I guess so. You realize the entire movie is total BS... right?
I enjoy this movie inspite of it being "A True Story" its a funny caricature of the procurement process.
This is just me and its with all movies like this and it suspends my disbelief, and yes its a nit pick, it looks EXTREMLY Southern California.
The mix of comedy and seriousness kept me focused the whole time while watching this movie. All of the cast fill their roles strongly, but I would like to single out Kelsey Grammer as General Partridge. He is able to create a cunning character here, who is probably a military leader, but could just as well be a manipulative CEO, as we know in the corperate world.
A lovely reminder for everyone that the reformers (which burton is a part of) don’t understand what role the Bradley (and other modern equipment) is supposed to play, and measure the effectiveness of an new system with the same Metric as the old, despite the fact that warfare changed and the new equipment plays a now different role
“No one goes to Fresno for a vacation, colonel.” 😂
From a British perspective... NOTHING HAS CHANGED !! Example: the £1-million each British Foxhound patrol vehicle, signed into service in 2012 Afghanistan despite it failing hot weather trials. Generals & government ministers were so busy with that corrupt on 11 Sept 2012 (run fake trials on Camp Bastion airfield) that they forgot to guard Camp Bastion's airfield. On 14 September the Taliban attacked the airfield, killed two US Marines & destroyed $400-million of kit - but all failures were covered up in subsequent inquiries, nobody British officers were held to account & the Foxhound continued into service. In 2017 it was reported that the Foxhound was still breaking down in hot weather - the fault was never fixed & it did cost British & allied personnel their lives. 'The Pentagon Wars' is a BRILLIANT film, exposing the corrupt profiteers that still populate our higher commands - hats off to all involved.
Did the Foxhound have an insane RAF Colonel who did not know how testing worked and when people tried to explain it to him he yelled "conspiracy."
Pentagon wars is a comedy film that should not be taken seriously
Correction: The Pentagon is a comedy that can't be taken seriously
@@anthonycheaford1962 from a suggestion to indisputable law
I'm worrying about NGAD
Kelsey is a genius at being a prick in this.
Nothing much changed - greed and ego still rule the day!
This is a comedy not real life. I was at LLNL and we developed weaponry back in the 80s that is still used today.
Certainly, certainly...But did you use them personally?
@@yvesmorin2272look at Ukraine right now I am say those weapons are certainly being used.
The Ukrainians love the hell out of it!
They would rather get a bunch of M1A2s instead, but beggars can't be choosers.
@@amedv For run and gun penetration thrusts the M1A1 would find it's place but not with drones, mines and built-up defensive lines. In defensive maneuvers and small insertion attacks the Bradley rules.
@@MrKbtor2 I was talking about a bunch of M1A2s, not three dozen of M1A1s from some junkyard Ukraine actually got. The same applies to upcoming overdue-for-decommission F-16.
That's because it is the best IFV on the planet, that movie is a totally made up LIE!
@@amedv Doesn't matter what model of Abrams Ukraine deploys. The drones are flown to hit it from above and from rear, which is how Javelin bypasses the frontal armor. Drone doesn't care for Depleted Uranium in the turret sides, cheeks and hull glacis. It hits the roof of the turret on top of ammo compartment or engine compartment. Tank will be immobilized and finished off with a couple more drones or artillery.
it is funny that the Bradley starts off as the striker. Then 40 years later, we have the striker again.
that is cause after all those upgrades they realized that they still needed a troop transport that could carry infantry
that being said they still are tossing turrets and cannons on the fucking thing
I read somewhere that they actually were looking at designing a dedicated troop carrier variant of the Bradley, increasing it's troop capacity, as intended from the first drawing board. It would be WILDLY ironic and wind up the cherry on this sundae of a movie if it's true.
I'm watching this in Ukraine . Glad it turned out 100 percent better than the original
@@UserUser-ww2nj FALSE... there was NEVER any issue with the Bradley, the movie is totally Hollywood make believe BS. Go watch "LazerPig's" video on this subject if you want the real story about what a mental patient and liar Burton was.
"War is a Racket" by two-time Medal of Honor Recipient, Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC (R). If you liked this movie, you should read it.
Can't stop watching this film.
This movie makes me think about the Mark 14 torpedo that had a nasty habit of exploding too soon or too late if it didn't made a 180 degree turn after launch and attacked the sub that had launched it. Yet the bureau of ordinance kept on saying that there was nothing wrong with it and that the 'accidents' were caused by the crew, not following protocol. No kidding.
Brilliant movie, even if it's a joke or not it still better than most bs movies that hollywood makes nowadays. 80s and 90s rocking till this day because of things like this, being a comedy, drama or action movie, they were all high quality and very entertain to watch; Now you barely find a good movie from "top tier" studios.
Hilarious no matter if the story is true or not. If it is true it is so unbelievably horrible for the victims. Great actors. I loved this movie.
Amanda Waller was really chill early in her career.
Love all those black and white images at the start
That´s my favourite part of the movie
anyone else here from the mail truck video
This reminds me 100% of software development... to the T. This is my worst nightmare of a project.
Definably a fun watch even if a lot of it is wrong or incorrect.
What was wrong or incorrect?
@@jasonbourne1596burtons “tests” were BS and not proper for the testing of new equipment, and burton himself is mischaracterised as a well meaning officer as opposed to his real life equivalents high levels of corruption and ties to the ‘reformers’
Fantastic movie! Kelsey Grammar and Cary Elwes at their best!
Yknow the general guy has a good point about the tests. They literally can’t afford to just blow up everything, so the thing like water in the tank to show if it penetrates and other things like that is a way to not completely blow it up.
And leaning about the actual background, yeah I can see why this movie pisses people off
Also a point the movie missed - that sometimes a weapon with minor defects is better than an out of date weapon and the US army had no effective IFV prior to the Bradley which put the troops at a big disadvantage - delaying essential weapons can also get people killed. I mean imagine if the Gulf war was fought only with Abrams and M113's? I think the movie was overly harsh to General Partridge.
Ifv not tank.
The Bradley was already way over delayed and over budget. What are you talking about?
@@flashgordon6670 LMAO, bradley was under budget. the program costed around 8 billion, while 12 billion was the expected cost
@@flashgordon6670The Bradley was under budget. Don’t use a comedy movie from the 80s as a source.
I remember being 15 when this movie was released on HBO. I love this movie. 'NOW LISTEN TO ME YOU FUCKIN FLY BOY YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT COMBAT!"
Literally the only part that is true. Burton knew nothing about combat.
@@whyhatholman3783the entire movie is satire bud
context on Romania: it was an independent state ruled by a communist regime. it was part of the "Soviet block," but that just means it was a member of the Warsaw Pact. the Romanian ammo wasn't Soviet, and you could tell this by the simple fact that the text wasn't cyrilc
The fact is that in those times we have one of the best defense industry in the eastern block with clients in the whole third world, so is very derogatory to describe our ammunition as „bad”. In fact the american troops has captured Ak-47 s stamped „Cugir Factory” in the Middle East from the insurgents in almost perfect condition used by the irakian army since the iranian-irakian war in the 80s . Saddam Hussein was one of our best customers on a long list of african and middle eastern presidents, dictators and revolutionary leaders like Yasser Arafat. On the other hand we have enough good technicians to be able improve our arsenal before and after the revolution of 1989 even with limited means thanks to our research teams and fruitful colaborations with israeli defense industry, one of the best and competitive in the world and partially with the United States. But today we buy as american vassals only your deprecated and overpriced weapon sistems as our sometime formidable defense industry is a hill of scraps thanks to our corrupt politicians.
@@huamokolatok Wrong, Romania did had the worse ammo ever produced, in fact it still has. The 100mm AntiTank round is the worse ammo ever produced, even the armed forces complains about it. TR85 cannon is not able to do much damage because Romania is not able to produce quality ammo.
Also, AK ammo is not very good in comparrison with other sorrounding countries.
@@TheBoyar the problem with the TR-85 and its ammo is that... this is a fancy T-55 being pushed forward in 2024. The army simply did not have the budget to get something more advanced. It's a problem of age, not quality. Thankfully, 54 Abrams M1A2 are coming to Romania in 2026.
Regarding Cugir ammo in Iraq: communist Romania produced great *export* goods. What was kept for internal use was... whatever was too bad to sell.
@@TheBoyar Today maybe yes, because our defense industry was already sold to scrap and we have no capabilities to produce as in the past. But in the communist era was different. And even with the scarce resources we have we were able to modernize our Migs 21 and Puma helicopters and produce one supersonic fighter, Hawk for training and attack on soil. When you import special powders from Serbia is natural you aren t capable to produce quality ammunition anymore. And our tanks constructed after old soviet era models are already obsolete so is enough that they could function, and so is the armaments of the infantry. We aren t able to develop an original assault rifle, only a pistol imitated after the Jericho produced in some 10.000 pieces distributed to local police and constabulary forces. What we have new and in almost good condition are bought for high prices from our foreign masters from NATO.
To be honest, however, while the movie may not be particularly accurate in many details, it is not inaccurate on it's premise. Generals and politicians are much a likeness - especially in an nation where there is no separation of powers between the authority of the armed forces and the procurement, payment and processes of the armed forces. Even in nations like the UK, where there is that separation of powers, most flag officers are treated suspiciously by the troops for their demonstrated intentions to meet political outcomes ahead of tactical or strategic military ones. It is so much worse in the US where there is not that separation of powers, and where industry is intrinsically tied up with the political processes. Three points that highlight this: firstly, the UK testing on their own equipment did yield significantly different results to the testing the US had done to date - and that was not just due to the fact the UK is generally colder than the US. Second, although related, the UK was able to do much in the way of battlefield testing of many of these theories in the Falklands War, which yielded results that are still the basis for much in the way of military processes used by Commonwealth countries today. This was particularly so relating to armour and structural design, as well as in fire suppression systems and tactics. Finally, the significant design differences between the Israeli and original US versions are very well documented...and the fact that most of the Israeli design differences were incorporated into later Bradley design upgrades proves that fact. The reason Israel was so caught up on these differences is because they weren't interested in building vehicles for political showmanship. They were interested in building weapons of war regardless of internal political squabbles. After all, they were and continued to be involved in existential conflicts where these vehicles were used repeatedly in actual combat conditions, essentially from delivery. Hence, the Bradley of today is quite a useful and proven combat vehicle. But the premise of the movie, that the US Procurement Processes are fundamentally flawed and susceptible to political interreference, that is proven fact. Comments claiming otherwise are either delusional or part of the propaganda machine. If this was not so, the international elements I have described would simply not exist.
You do realize… that Israel never operated the Bradley. They did some testing with one where they ripped the turret off because the wanted a replacement to the M113, but ultimately settled on an indigenous design. The movie straight up lied about the Israeli Bradley. As for the UK having all this data, is that why the Challenger II is famously the best MBT?
1) there is oversight in the US. That's how we know of issues with corruption like the recent overcharging of parts.
2) Your entire premise is just wrong. Even if we grant the idea that generals are just out to put money in their pockets, if they don't get positive results, they get *no* money. You can't name me a general that backed a program that ended in disaster and he wasn't forced to retire for it or worse.
3) What on earth are you on about regarding Israel???
Well done. Humor and deceipt enough to keep interest through the movie. And a good dash of reality.
I find rather amusing that they're shocked when he says billions.
What´s your problem Smith?
Not elegant enough for ya!?
Besides, portholes?
What are we? The Navy?
Kelsey Grammer was perfect for this roll😅
I came here to say the cast and studio now need to write a formal apology to the Bradley.
Look brother, the Bradley turned out OK, however the point of the flick was it was supposed to be an infantry battle taxi…. Get troops from here to there, not a light tank with tank killer capability. We already have tank killing capabilities in the ABRAMS. Obtw I was a tank commander in the 3rd ACR, 10 tanks and 13 Bradley’s.
@@dereklucero5785thank you for your service.
@@dereklucero5785 the Bradley was an IFV from the start, and anyways APCs including the m113 were used as IFVs doctrinally cause leaving your troops to fend for themselves on the front line is apparently “messed up”
none of this happened. It's a good movie though
If I recall, the *tests* happened... but not at all this way.
The conversations are fictional the facts are spot on
@@user-mb7sc1ob2w not. Even. Close.
The testing mentioned here happened, but the history is completely wrong.
The Bradley was always meant to be a fighting vehicle, it being "lightly armored" wasn't an issue because it was never meant to do what the film suggests and that's survive tank attacks. The argument that it "looks" like a tank was never made. The M113 it was "meant to replace" is also untrue, and the M113 couldn't survive tank hit either.
Finally, the Bradley didn't go over budget as stated here. It actually went under budget.
@dfmrcv862 forget the Bradley it's about incompetence and ass coverage 😒 🙄it's about you guys buying 700 dollar toilets.
It is true
@@user-mb7sc1ob2w the historical events in this film are about the Bradley. The recent 700 dollar *bag of bolts* has been a recent scandal.
Considering Boeing 737 Max, all seems to fit in the ego centric money making individuals
We also need to bear in mind that Boeing is now run by a lot of the same top dogs that ran McDonnel-Douglas into the dirt.
the 'door' scene....hehehe!
I love how every youtube tank experts bash this film as is if was not documentary and not a comedy movie...
While it may indeed be a comedy, it is certainly no documentary. Every part of this movie is entirely fiction. This movie says more about the sick and twisted demented mind of Colonel Burton, who wrote this fictional work, than it does about the Bradley.
People bash the film because idiots ignore the fact it's a comedy film and take both it and the rest of the ramblings from the "reformers" as gospel.
The irony is of course far trying to "save money" and improve things. Burton simply wasted money, all his additional tests were about "over match" that is to see how the Bradley would stand up to weapons that it was never meant to withstand strikes from.
He was the exact sort of Cretin that wasted R&D spending he claimed to be battling against and when he was exposed he cracked the shits, quit and tried to rewrite history. If Burton got his way we'd be dropping nukes on humvees.
@@AlaskanGlitch Exactly, I am amazed that people think Hollywood movies are where they should get their information from. Go watch "LazerPig's" video on this subject if you want the real story about what a mental patient and liar Burton was.
When enlisted, I and others had to throw brand new, still in the package, still on the pallet supplies and equipment overboard into the sea, because, as I was told, if we don't "use" it then we won't get more funding than next year.
- a very great example that parallels the Idiocracy in this movie.
What year? Who was in charge that told you so that person can be reported. Rank and name.
@@FA-Q20-1 30 years ago. A little bit late to care, but after my enlistment I took ROTC in college and that branch had very wasteful aspects too. I'm sure still today it wouldn't be hard to find situations where something is wasteful when the money isn't coming out of their pocket
@@michaeledwards8051 Sure, cool (fake) story bud. I've been in the military less than you but I've never heard from anyone that kind of story. Whoever told you to throw those equipment and supplies must be a saboteur since the army would love to have surplus.
Great movie, perfect cast, thanks a lot GEM.
While not accurate for the development of the Bradley IFV this movie is accurate for the Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate. A Coast Guard cutter design rejected for being unseaworthy, and then sold to the Navy by slapping so many weapon systems and overloading it so much the keel splits in relatively modest seas, doesn't have enough berthing space for the required crew, and to top it off the overpriced last gen equipment mounted on it is so outdated its maximum engagement range is the minimum firing range of any potential adversary.
As a Brit I think this is a brilliant film. Especially as you could swap in oh so many British projects, Blue Steel, TSR-2, SA-80 and many many many more projects
the way ahead of its time TSR2 was cancelled because the government of the time said missiles were they way forward,
People need to realize this movie and what its based on is BS to a very large degree. The passed over decorated soldier was in fact the one screwing things up.
me: (starts movie)
movie: And believe it or not...This happened.
also me: It did...not happen as depicted, you're right!
You related to Partridge?
How much over delayed and over budget was the Bradley project then?
@@flashgordon6670 Under budget, actually. It was planned to cost $12 billion. It cost $8 billion in total.
@@flashgordon6670 Hit reply before I was done, sorry for the two notifications. The ammo full of sand and the fuel tank of water DID happen. It was because High Command KNEW that a powerful enough anti-tank round would punch straight through the Bradley. That was fine, because the Bradley is an IFV, not a tank. NOR an APC as is repeated in the film ad nauseum. The water and sand would show what was happening to the Bradley WITHOUT spreading the evidence over a wide area. Saving the army one experimental armored vehicle worth millions in the process. That, among other things like the Bradley ALWAYS having a turret from its inception, is among many things the book the film takes from gets wrong.
The swamp and the military industrial complex not much has changed ................
i just love the line where here brings up the revolution, while he acts like the British military!! LMAO!!!
The satire in this movie is gold
Bock and Sayers are now senior executives at Boeing
Well.. that explains why another whistleblower mysteriously died... again...
13:35 Even most tanks can't survive dedicated anti-Tank rockets. How would you expect it an IFV to survive
All tanks can't survive direct hits
When the not-a-tank doesn’t tank a dedicated tank destroying weapon
Wonder how long between the actual time of the movie’s events happened and the Bradley being used in combat ? Cause apparently it’s done well . The “ Billion with a B “ upgrades scene before the ending credits must have been pretty good .
This movie is a superb satire of the "military establishment", & the absurd & bureaucratic "top brass" metalities are spot on accurate, I imagine.
The movie may not be entirely accurate, regarding all the problems, cost over runs, & hasty redesign proposals of the Bradley armored vehicle, but I think the movie showcases well the "ignorant (& corrupt) children with power" image of "top level brass", which I suspect is much closer to reality than to fiction.
When meeting the stereo type black sassy female sergeant I just rolled my eyes. There is no way a Sgt. Would speak to a half bird Colonel like that. Total bs.
It's... a comedy..?
Agree, sloppy
Eisenhower created the military-industrial complex, which he complained about in his farewell speech, saying, "Beware of the military-industrial complex. That's no joke.
❤🎉
He became President around the time that the Cold War peaked so I could understand that but when the arms industry learned how profitable it was, I'm sure he permanently lost control of it. He later had no choice but to warn the world about it.
The scuttlebutt is that NO ONE WORKS AT THE PENTAGON. It is a rest camp.
"The men will have to wear the missiles as hats."
😂😂😂😂
Bradley production concluded in 1995, with a total of 6,724 Bradleys (4,641 M2s and 2,083 M3s) produced for the U.S. Army. The total cost of the program was $5.7 billion, and the average unit cost $3.2 million.
You forgot the 14B for development.
Haha
why didnt Burton just go to congress and say the army isnt letting him do the test he wanted to do?
Because movie logic. But if you're talking about the real events this movie is based on, Burton did go to to the higher ups to claim he'd uncovered a conspiracy within R&D. They looked into it, and came to the conclusion that Burton was being a petty jerk who was imposing frankly impossible standards on the testing team out of spite. When they recommend Burton be replaced with a different judge, he prematurely retired and wrote his book which the film is based off of.
Whether you want to believe Burton's account or the military's I leave up to you.
@@pyronuke4768 i heard the bradley was not designed to take a hit from soviet AT missiles, only small caliber fire arms and projectiles. this again bring back to the design of such vehicle is assuming this is not going to be targeted as a tank. which is fine, but the turret and AT missiles attached to this thing mean ofc enemy is going to fire it with AT missile. and it should be able to defend it self from such fire.
My point is, did the army knew this was a problem, or did they just ignore it thinking bradley is a "troop carrier" so it doesnot need to be shot by AT missiles?
@@kr-sd3ni no, they knew about this. Even before the tests the Bradley was planned to have ERA blocks added to it. Burton requested the tests happen without these because according to him it was cheating.
OK, maybe cheating is a bit of a strong word to use, but Burton was against ERA armor because he saw it as "untested" and just more expensive tech the army was trying to cram into the program. Reading his memoirs, they kinda give off the vibe that Burton was something of a technophobe, for lack of better term.
@@kr-sd3niI mean, they would probably shoot any armored vehicle with whatever anti-armor they have. Why would any soldier let their enemy get out of the vehicle they're in?
24:40, here start's the fun part
Just epic😂
Why are people in the comments taking it so seriously? It's a movie. Lighten up people. Pretend your parents loved you!
Yeah but it's based kinda real events, only that the tank was actually good, and the main character irl was a dumbass and today works for Russian propaganda media cause got fired
@@RogueBeatsARGIt’s an IFV, not a tank.
@@matthewjones39 I know, was generalizing
No.
I thoroughly enjoyed 'Closing Time' by Joseph Heller - a sequel to Catch-22. This film is remarkably cohesive with that storyline. With much finer tolerances and successful tests than the original Bradley program.
I think the bradley proved its effectiveness in the First Gulf War.
In Ukraine too :)
@@taurusbernadacy3702yah sure 😂😂😂😂
It's definitely proven its ineffectiveness in the Ukraine war.
Only after spending how many billions in addition to the initial $14B?
@@alexG106 If the is Bradley ineffective what's the T90M🤣🤣
The irony is that the first thing you see when you drive onto Aberdeen Proving Ground thru the main gate? A Bradley.........
1:43:40 Great movie!! I was a 19D cavalry scout during the time of this movie. So many things ring true about the attitudes of Army officers during this time period.
Awesome movie. I was in the Regular Army and worked for the gov for six years and I know how wasteful and ridiculous the process worked. I left for the private sector and never looked back.
What a cast, heck of a set of story telling.
As soon as I saw this I put it on.I first saw it on HBO when it first came out.Just as funny and relevant now.❤😂
I now comprehend the American term ‘Butthurt’
Who's here because Lazerpig?
Fighting the not so good fight against the reformers in the comments ( I have no life and nothing better to do than dispute the claims of reformers and Russian bots)
@@Woodartifact388 probably for the best to be doing that if you have the time to do so
Great movie, fantastic actors!
This movie should be shown to all engineers and planners as to what scope creep is. It is also a textbook presentation of deception, political pork funding, and a complete lack of integrity on part of the general staff. If they can identify it, they'll root it out.
Forced to retire? Thats bullshit, he should have been promoted to pentagon watch dog that carries the weight of a 5 star general.
And others should have been busted to private first class.
This is not a comedy its a tragedy.
The money wasted on that program
Is ridiculous. Generals should have no say in weapons development
Or testing of the weapons being developed, engineers should head the project. Troop safety should be first priority.
The whole reason this was developed was to move troops fast and safe.
14 billion bucks to development of one that fits the bill is stupid
If they cost 1 million and you spent 14 billion the money wasted could have made how many units?
Who do these clowns in charge think they are fooling.
BTW This movie is based off of his book, where he makes himself the hero. In reality, all of this is total BS to promote his ideal of traditionalism (?). This movie, since it is based off his book, switches the sides of the idiots and the smarts. Burton is the idiot in real life.
Well shit, it doesn't have to be real to be funny. It's funny.
Nice use of Camp Roberts for the field tests
regarding the ending: why do the good guys always pay the price and the bad guys get compensated??
I had three jobs where I was marked as a problem. I spoke & wrote the truth, but it would cost to correct the criminality, which had been occurring for a couple decades... In one case... In another it would cost to correct the near criminal, but most certainly immoral activity... In the third... it was lawyers and government actively working to corrode the abilities of everyday people who tried to just do what they could to attempt to improve their lives. I'm now left unemployable, a self-employed handyman, no longer a white-collar professional, designations cancelled. I love my job. I love my clients. I can now do what's right for people without being 'cancelled'. I now can work honestly. I miss my Lagavulan 16, but, hey the odd bottle of Bell's is OK.
Cause author is a liar 😂 fun movie tho
In this movie's case, it was written by the bad guy after he was kicked out by good guys for wasting everyone's time and millions of dollars
Except Burton wasn’t fired, though he should have been.
This movie is a criticism of *the process* of design by committee.
A lot of bradley fans in the comments trying to defend it in particular, you're missing the point.
The bradley, in its modern iteration as an infantry fighting vehicle is ok.
But the 'design by comittie' objectively failed in several key ereas:
1.) since bradley is an IFV and not an APC, the m113 is still in service.
2.) since the Bradley was meant to be able to float, the armor was too thin to stop soviet 14.5mm machinegun fire (and later had to be up-armored).
3.) the bradley was too heavy to float.
4.) it took *18 years* to design the thing.
In Australia there is a saying that goes like this: A platypus is a duck designed by committee, I have also heard t say that a camel is a horse designed by committee.
It was a huge failure from the very beginning. It was meant to carry 12 troops but now carries 6 troops.
@@yesiamarussianbot3076 fun fact: camels are much better performers than horses in long and difficult travel conditions
This reminds me of when I was there in the Puzzle Palace 2010-2014. I volunteered for Afghanistan just to get the Hell out of there!!!
Evil and corruption still wins. Almost always does in real life.
It didn't this time around. The good guys won.
Colonel Burton and his insane ideas were told to take a hike.
Yin and Yang, the snake that swallowed its tail.
It was a comedy alright but boy does it hit real hard to reality.
I’m a retired auto mechanic, luxury vehicle customizer, and custom firetruck and ambulance builder. The book and the movie were partial inspirations from my book series. I never would have believed the decline and fall of the American work ethic extended to the US military! While in industry when I (or someone like me) was called to correct a defect(s) (a frequently reoccurring defect) when I would “protest“ that it was someone else’s fault I was told “Just fix it!” I would express concerns to my coworkers, crew leaders, supervisors, middle management, upper management, and executives about the time and money we were losing on defect Correction, they would simply reply “You get paid by the hour! What do you care?! “
I hate to be the one to break this to you. But the book and this movie are all fake. Burton was a narcissist who hurt the Bradley's development. It was never intended to be an troop taxi with 12 souls on board, it was designed from the ground up to have the auto cannon and the missiles.
And if you don't believe me, then let me ask you this: If Burton truly changed the Bradley. Why is it still an IFV with a chain gun and anti-tank missiles that carries 6 dismounts and fights with them. Instead of the "original" plan for a glorified M113.
@@Error-5478 That’s your opinion. From my experiences in American industry, the “higher-ups” who make lots of money , don’t want some little peon (like me or Burton) rocking the boat. Btw , I was called a narcissist as well.
@@recoveringnewyorker2243theres no opinion here. There's facts and then there's fiction. The facts are that Burtons entire novel was a reaction against the US military Because no one took him and his terrible ideas seriously enough, the novel and later this movie were Essen a result of the axe Burton had to grind against everyone. The evidence is all in how the Bradley preformed in desert storm, it destroyed more enemy vehicles and personel than the Abrams did. I've talked to a few Bradley crewmen from desert storm and after and they all came to the same conclusion even though they didn't even know each other and weren't even talked to at the same time or place, they all came to the conclusion that the Bradley was a decent and capable vehicle, it's not a tank but it's a good vehicle for what it's designed to do
@@apollobravo7654 Thanks to Colonel Burton’s insistence to not just “get it into the field and fix the problems later” You see , I worked in a firetruck and ambulance factory that fulfilled some “Gubment” and military equipment orders. While the military equipment was held to a higher standard , you must remember the standards weren’t very high. I know. I WAS THERE. It’s too bad I can’t name my book series here because UA-cam will delete it. I’ve been told it’s quite an eye-opener. However, my book series has the same title as a semi popular song by Kurt Vile.
@@recoveringnewyorker2243 The Bradley was a response to the BMP. It was never designed as a troop carrier.
Pentagon Wars is a shameless self-victimization by someone who associates himself with a group called the Reformers who think the M60 is better than an abrams, conceptualized the F-16 as a pure dogfighter with no missiles, and said the F-15 was shit until they took credit of it when everyone started loving it. Burton even proposed an A-10 with nothing but a gun and a radio because he argued electronics are unreliable.
Technically those would be scuttles as they are in the Hull.. portholes are in the superstructure only.
Turns out the Bradley is an extremely capable and effective vehicle against Soviet/ Russian technology under real world conditions in an actual war.
After 30 years of development. 🙄
@@igorkevorkian16 which 30 years? From LBJ?
@@jeffbybee5207
Supposed to read 20 years.
But you're right, the whole premise of the movie is utter bullsh!t. Pentagon High Brass know how to get it done and are never greedy. They never work deals with senators or congressman in order to best serve the lowly grunt, rifleman, seaman or airman and the taxpayers. Most of all NEVER fleece the taxpayers.
But it's a funny movie and the Bradley came in under budget AND early. 😉👍
@@igorkevorkian16 as they say based on a true story. And I salute you for supream sarcasm. As for the true story there are some good vids by chieftain and others.
@@jeffbybee5207
Just watched a Chieftan vid. Thanks for turning me on to a new channel.
Sarcasm is the first language of Bostonians and just about all I have in common with them.
Ich würde ja über den Film lachen, wenn es nicht so wahr wäre.😢 In Deutschland ist fast keiner der Panzer einsatzfähig, die Gewehre schießen schlecht und auch die Luftwaffe ist in einem desolaten Zustand. Kann man nachlesen, wenn man ein bißchen googelt.
Sind Sie ein deutscher Militärinsider?
@@fisterhrThis information was public knowledge here in the UK in the last decade. Germany isn't alone in having equipment made with poor workmanship, but they appear to exemplify the problem...
@@fisterhr Germany gives military contracts to a company that won that contract, but the issue is that Germany allows other companies that lost that contract to sue the winning company for the contract, rise and repeat.
very funny. Thank you from Manhattan ©2024
As an ex-soldier aware of fiddles but only able to put two in jail, I did not find it funny, more petrifying.
👍🏼 watching it now...a good movie, but I have to go back to the part where he fried the mannequins, I must've missed it!😱
Given the way in which I have witnessed the government at work this film strikes me more as fact and less than fictitious. If this is pure fiction for the time that it was filmed then it stands as a possible vision of the future which is what we are living in right now.
It is fact. This all really happened (with some dramatization to make it enjoyable to watch). I did a 4 year gig in acquisitions for the Army. I tried to get one program killed, because it failed every time we tested it. Same shit happened. I couldn't get it killed as everyone had their hands in the pot. If the program died, there goes 30 high paying civilian DoD jobs. Can't have that.
Scene 53.52, the best scene in the whole movie,😅😂😅😂, the way they talk about cruelty to sheeps and then eat their meat, is the best sarcasm in this movie
Bradley go Brrrr
Doesn't Boeing make a lot of equipment for the US military?
Yep, quite a lot...
Love this film so much it’s silly! 😂❤
This movie wasn’t silly number one. It should’ve never been deemed a comedy because we have shit like this going on all the time and the people high Dollar generals they’re not the ones getting their skin burn off their body, arms, and legs torn off. It’s the guy and the women were suffering because of their desire to have a nicer lifestyle by taking payoffs
@@jimmungai1938 It is silly, it was literally paid for by people who think that the military should still be using the M113 and M1 Patton.