C.S. Lewis said, “The homemaker has the ultimate career. All other careers exist for one purpose only - and that is to support the ultimate career. ”. This was such a great conversation and I felt like it was just for me! Thank you ladies!
I love the trajectory that your podcasts have taken lately! I think there are more Christian homemaking, homeschooling, homesteading mamas than people think. And these interviews are a breath of fresh air for us!
Both of you have completely changed the way I view homemaking. As a working mom turned stay-at-home mom, I was bored yet overwhelmed. I had no idea what being a homemaker was all about, even despite my mother and grandmothers being amazing at it. I had to change how I saw myself in the role, and you’ve both inspired me so much in that. Now I have fresh bread on the table and homemade Valentine decorations the kids and I filled the home with today. Baking and crafting were never interests of mine until God showed me a deeper meaning behind the flour and construction paper messes. Thank you both for being a voice we need to hear! I have so much more joy now!
I was raised and trained by a career homemaker and am soooo thankful for that training. It occurred to me while watching your vlog that being a homemaker is so very much like running an entrepreneurial small family business, requiring many of the same skills and mindsets. I am a wife, mom, homemaker, veterinarian, and veterinary practice owner. I so love the message here, and hope that even when a young woman decides to pursue a career outside the home (my passion for veterinary medicine has been with me since I was 5 years old), you won't discourage it and will show her she can do both (not always at the same time). We don't have to be all things all the time, there are seasons of life. And some women, like me, felt called to have a career outside the home as well. But homemaker brings me the most joy and is the role for which I am the proudest. Thank you for what you do.
While I don't agree with everything she said, there were some nuggets of wisdom and thanks for bringing it to us Lisa. It's always interesting to hear another viewpoint.
The part I don't agree with is college is always the best route for males or females. She was raised with parents as educators and a husband in the education system so it's not a surprise she would feel college is so important. There have been so many college graduates who took on so much debt and have found there job opportunities disappointing. While many good paying jobs that require no college go unfilled. I would love to hear a podcast discussing that issue.
I agree with your point as someone who didn’t have the money to go to college, but was still able to have a wonderful education book wise and life wise. 🙂
I agree and in our current climate tradespeople are needed badly who have a work ethic! We have 7 children and I want to guide them to the right job/career for them.
Thank you for this podcast! I'm glad to find a resource for inspiration in Bekah Merkle (I can't wait to read her book)! There has been and still is enormous need to take back the beautiful God-given role of stay-at-home motherhood, homemaking, femininity, and creativity. How I needed this type of support and encouragement 30 years ago when I was a young, stay-at-home Mom among a sea of women (and men!) who preached "you can and should have it all" - career, motherhood, money, place/power, and so on! What also needs to be discussed is the cultural messages boys/men have been and are receiving that teaches them to be uncomfortable with and resistant towards the "upstream paddling" required to make the homemaking, stay-at-home parenting lifestyle work.
I was so excited to listen to both you and Bekah! We are all in with classical education as well as teaching our daughters to be Godly educated women who look forward to God’s role He has made for us.
Enjoyed the conversation even if I'm past my prime. Your videos give me peace and inspiration. Feminism took the homemaking out of our homes a long time ago. I've been in the workforce longer than I cared, but needed. Now finally home under less than perfect circumstances. My season is making a home again and you are helping. Thank you 🙏👍
I absolutely LOVE her point she made about striving for excellence, I started to strive for excellence about 2 weeks ago, and it has brought me so much fulfillment, I actually look forward to the work I’m going to do every single day of my life now as a homemaker and a wife.
I've been binging all of your videos lately.. I lost all of my girlfriends since becoming a christian, mom, homesteader, homeschooler.. so I just wanted to let you know that you've really helped bring me hope again that there are like-minded, strong women who embrace the role our Heavenly Father gave us! AMEN SISTER! Thank you
So insightful! I also think when women struggle so much with their first baby (because we don't live in communities where we know much about raising babies,) these mamas think excellence in motherhood is beyond them or just not their thing. Often, with time, attention, and the pursuit of these good things, they can find joy in the creative art of homemaking. For me, it definitely took time where I had to stick with it - and days can still be a struggle! But it's such a noble thing. I also do struggle with cleaning, crafting, or specialty baking - even though I know they are good and beautiful for my family. Perhaps, some women like me would really like to get involved in compassion work or hospitality. I'm so much happier to make a meal if I double it and give it to someone in need, or if I bring my girls to our pregnancy center and we help out! But I am so thankful for the flexibility to be able to do that, which homemaking offers.
This was so fun to listen to. Thanks for having her on :). Nowadays, I love homemaking, but it wasn't always that way. I'm glad the Lord changed my perspective 💛.
If your church does Apples of Gold, that is an awesome start! Did it right after getting married and it was so incredibly beneficial for my home making skills and allowed me to get to know women who have been married for multiple decades! Great conversation!
My listing to this was definitely God directed in its timing. Just this morning, as I was doing "homemaking," the thoughts in my head were not very good about my role as a wife/mother/ homemaker. Thank you both for giving (reminding me) of a Godly perspective of what God thinks of our role as a wife/mother/ homemaker. Also, thank you for being willing to use your platform to show the light of God and what his word says. I did not know that you were a Christian in my beliefs until this podcast.
Thank you for making content that honors God in the DOING of things. So much content out there is ivory tower theology, and there IS major benefit to that kind of worship and study, but, like James wrote, I want to be a DOER of the Word. This kind of discussion encourages me in the work I do in faith for God every day for my family. Thank you.
I know that God created me to be a wife and a mother, just as he did a homemaker. I have two beautiful step-children and my husband and I are expecting our first baby in December. Praise God for answered prayers 🙌🏼🥰 This was such a delightful listen thank you so much.
I truly believe that being a wife/mother/homemaker is one of the most important jobs there is and that we play such an important role. We are shaping our home/environment and our children's lives. We have a part in who they become. I don't see how to someone it seems like a mindless thing we do when it takes so much effort and work. I believe it to be a blessing, but also one of the hardest jobs there is. Any ways loved this conversation! Great content as always.
I love this, I have been following you for a month or so. you are always inspiring to me. I am a stay at home mom and struggle on seeing my own value. Thank you for the reminder that this is important.
I am on board with the premise of this podcast, so I enjoyed it on that front. I felt quite frustrated that she never gave concrete examples of women doing homemaking well, or what the redemption of homemaking could look like. Twice she was asked to give examples and didn't pin it down. I don't want a checklist, but the vision 'enfleshed' would have been helpful! I hope her book covers this more, I'll look it up.
Do check out her books and documentary. She’s been such a blessing to me…. My girls, too. P. S. Her dish towels are insanely absorbent and just plain lovely!
I went to a Christian university, my education was not tied to my gender, but that I am not of this world, but live in this world, as such I may be the only representative of Christ some people will ever meet, so I need to live with that at the forefront of my mind. My purpose is not to be a homemaker, mother, or wife, but to be Christ-like, whatever stage of life I am in. Home making for a man or woman is a basic life skill, I learned from my zambian mom, even my only brother was taught the same skill my sisters, and I were taught ( my mother joked she didn’t want my brother to marry a woman just because of her house keeping skills, but a well rounded individual). As a Christian woman, I chose to refuse that home making is a gendered skill, neither is it something to be looked down on, nor exalted by some people to feel good they are doing it, but it is an important skill that every human being should be taught.
I think this is quite an interesting point of view. I’m a SAHM and have been for over five years without any sign of transitioning out into the workforce. I have never gotten the impression that anyone despises me or my role in the family. She says it several times during the interview and every time it didn’t sit right with me. I feel sorry that she has received the message that she is despised for staying home.
I think it depends on the circles you run in. Both my husband and I were raised in families that really focus on career as the ultimate achievement. They say family is important but it’s very apparent that your worth comes from what you do outside the home. I am constantly asked what I will do when I’m done raising kids and it’s obvious that they don’t consider what I’m doing now as a real contribution to society. Her book, “Eve in Exile,” was like a balm to my soul as I have spent the past 15 years working into the idea that my job as a wife and homeschooling mom of 5 is enough.
I agree. It’s sad to think that she sees the world as despising homemakers/SAHMs. I run in two different circles as four days a week I am a homemaker and three days a week I am a professional in an office. In both settings I have felt very supported. I know both mine and her experiences can be true but wanted to add the comment that I’ve never felt despised as a homemaker.
In the late 1980's and early 1990's I lived in a suburban neighborhood of new construction starter houses. There were 6 SAHM's on the block we lived in. This was in the Midwest in a city of 1 million people. It was considered normal even though more women worked than not. I never felt despised. In fact I think some working mother were jealous.
Thank you. This was great. I am enjoying your podcasts and videos Lisa. My favorite part that has stuck with me was about how God created us to be homemakers and given us the dominion over that sphere. It also brought a scripture to mind from Ps 68 I've always appreciated: Kings of armies did flee apace:and she that tarried at home divided the spoil. Though ye have lien among the pots, yet shall ye be as the wings of a dove covered with silver, and her feathers with yellow gold. Ps 68 12-13.
So excited to listen to this! Nancy Pearcey also has a great book called Total Truth that addresses the history of feminism in the U.S. as well. In regard to the Industrial Revolution, she mentioned how much of a transformation it had on the family unit. In colonial days, families worked their own family business, but the industrial revolution took men and other able-bodied members out of the home, so the women were actually burdened with more child-care responsibility than before. That made me think about how men are to lead their household....probably made it a lot harder once they left! And then the women were overwhelmed, felt it was unjust, and voila! First wave feminism (I hope I'm accurately relating the information in that book since it's been a few years since reading it...I highly recommend it if you want to fact-check me lol!).
Great podcast! Lisa and Bekah have been such an inspiration in my life, as well as Rachel Jankovic, as a home maker. And Bekah's dish towels are very lovely.
Would be so keen for the second book!! I’m in a central London church and this stuff is wildly alien in our church culture. I put a request in our church family WhatsApp for anyone who could teach me about sourdough… zero women got back to me. 2 blokes who also wanted to learn and a 20-something who had had a go and was willing to teach me and the others if they were keen. I’ve found some good youtube channels and took a book out from the library but I massively learn from someone in person, so it’s an uphill battle this end. Thanks for this pod!!
I got so much from listening to this conversation! It has clarified many things for me that I've been struggling with recently. A very intelligent, sensitive, articulate (and funny) illumination on this challenging topic. I definitely feel to have some "ammunition" when trying to justify my way of life when speaking to career focused friends and relatives. Thank you!
What a pleasant surprise! I don't listen to podcasts much, but What Have You is a favorite when I do! I've been enjoying learning to cook from scratch and use fermented grains regularly with Lisa! Great discussion 😊
I’m surprised by the comments here that found this episode so controversial! I didn’t find her to be judgemental, more as she was laughing at the absurdity of certain ideas than at people. We have to be able to laugh at the insane things in this world to stay sane. I’m not Christian, but I still find a lot of value in the Truth and Beauty shared in Biblical teachings about masculinity and femininity. It might surprise some to say it is parallel in many ways to indigenous teachings.
Her designs are beautiful!! I loved the talk and decided to check out her site. Wow, I get what she means now... towels and such that function well AND are gorgeous. Just gorgeous.
Hi. It would be so awesome if you can get a guest on your podcast that can talk about how to transition from years of working a full time job in a company, to being a homemaker where your kids go to a state school during the day and you're feeling so lonely. The transition is hard because you were so used to working a 9-5 job and to be a homemaker after that, you feel lost.
Ms Merkle said that women now take more anti-depressants than women in the 1950s. This shows, she said, that home making 50s women were happier than women now, after feminism. Completely disregarding the fact that antidepressants were much more rarely prescribed in the 50s (even into the 70s and 80s). I wish she had been called out (politely of course) for such wrongheadedness.
Living in South Africa where what is wrong is seen as right and right as wrong and being ahomemaker is seen as a failure and something to be ashamed of it is such a blessing to see this.
As a British mother of six, (four daughters, two sons), I do find the implication that it is impossible to raise well educated and also godly children in the English public school system offensive. On the contrary, having to determine for themselves where their values lay was an excellent preparation for life as “educated homemakers”.
I'm a liberal, feminist, Christian mother. I home schooled my children (now close to 40). I eventually returned to work as an adjunct instructor of Latin at a university (but am not a fan of classical education). The labeling and over-simplification evident in this podcast are distressing: I've never felt excluded by Lisa's approach or posts before now. Please don't stereotype or limit groups of people Feminism advocates that women have choices. (Read some quotes. Read some classic feminist works.) That's it. "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people," is one of my favorite quotes.
Feminism seeks to achieve equality for women through the world’s systems. Christ tells us we are identified in Him and lasting freedom comes through Him alone. Feminism tells us that the way to freedom/emancipation is through equality with men. The Bible tells us we were created for separate purposes. These ideologies conflict. One uses the world as it lens for truth and the other is truth- God’s truth. I don’t think Christ followers can be both.
@@meggo6673 You have a very privileged position. So you are saying that if a single mother gets a job, you think she should be paid less because she is a woman and belongs at home? If you disagree, and think she should be paid the same, you have benefited from feminism. Do you think your opinion is worth less than a man’s in the home? If not, you have benefited from feminism. Do you think you shouldn’t be able to advocate for your political beliefs? If not, you have benefited from feminism. Your situation is not the same as anyone else. You can’t possibly make that decision for everyone.
I find this woman judgemental. If she thinks that christian schools do not exist in UK she can not have done much research. They certainly do. Also I think that to say that SAHM are despised is incorrect. In my experience most women who go out to would love to stay home with their children but financial constraints and their skill set means they have little choice but to work outside the home. They may be able to learn skills but day to day life gets in the way. I am not decrying the skills of homemaking can make a huge positive difference to wives/children and families in general but giving the impression that women choose the work outside the home because feminism has told them they have to is misguided. I love homemaking and do believe that it is a beautiful and creative pursuit but I dont judge others that dont have this choice.
I totally agree that some of the harkening back to the old days in wisdom is awesome but then creators (and others I'm sure, but creators are the ones I see) start dressing that way and it does start to feel a little like pretend. It just doesn't ring true. If there is wisdom in it, I'm interested. But I WOULD love to see if we all dove in and expressed what we come up with as opposed to copying days gone by or what we think days gone by were like... it would be so much more interesting and even life giving. Even if it were just drawing inspiration but then making it your own.
Please everyone in agreement !!! Pray for my husband , son’s , and don’s in covenant to value THE FATHER given role of women in the home and my daughters and daughters in covenant!!!🤲🏼🤲🏼🤲🏼
The thing that really bothers me here is your classification of feminism. Feminism is about a woman’s CHOICE and the acceptance of society to perform the roles she chooses, and understanding that she can do many of the same jobs as a man. As a woman who is a proud homemaker, but also works in the construction/renewable energy industry, feminist movement has made it possible for me to make a similar wage as my male counterparts (not always, but it is improving) This is a male dominated field, and the stipulation that feminism is limiting homemakers is a bit absurd. 1000% we need to bring pride and acknowledgement back to keeping a home, but not at the expense of women who choose otherwise. Make sure you aren’t clumping feminists into anti-homemaker support. It’s not the same thing. Feminists are not hurting homemakers, societal expectations of women is still the issue here.
I would also note that this short sighted view SEVERELY harms single mothers. Feminism is critical to wage equality, and a single mother has a right to do both - make a living wage AND be a happy homemaker!
I’m sorry, she seems way to judgmental. Laughing in judgement about others isn’t very funny. She laughed at modern women, England schools and a few others. To me, growing up in the south we had a mix of both and everyone helped . I come from a pastors home and ministry work, making fun or looking down at others isn’t appealing and really affirms the stereotypes of religious women being judgmental. I normally love the podcast but this one was lackluster. By the way I am 52 yrs old and the 80’s in a Christian school I understand the needs, we have so many things we need to do to help our children and husbands.
I’m so disappointed by this episode featuring someone who is fueling culture wars and pitting women against one another. Homemaking is a vital and valuable path. AND so are careers outside of the home. It takes all of us to build a better society. Every woman, every person should choose the path that best suits their strengths, their needs and lifestyle, and those of their family (if they choose the path of having a family).
I think you're missing her stance in terms of the things God created women to achieve - not as an either/or situation but rather both/and. We are not called to choose either homemaking or a career path. Homemaking IS our duty (highest calling), whether we have children or not, and the root of that is when we ask how we can best serve our homes in each season, to the glory of God. She clearly has had a career outside of the home, and never did she diminish that as valuable or a strength. She talked directly about entrepreneurship and the beauty of women taking ownership of their strengths and the personal qualities that they excel in. However, your home comes first. Your career is there to serve you, not the other way around - we need to be diligent as women to strive to find the correct balance between outside accomplishments and our responsibilities inside of our homes and to our families.
@@aoie11 And my point is that while it is a valid belief that homemaking is one's highest calling, comes first, and is ordained by one's god, many people believe differently which is also valid. Insisting that's the only right way while denouncing the "culture" and "feminism" is incredibly divisive and overly-simplistic thinking.
@@findingmywayhome5829 ok, but believing differently from God's design isn't in the cards for a Christ follower, sorry. Obviously if you're not a Christian, you're not going to subscribe to a Christian lifestyle, no one is arguing that. But if you are, labeling someone as "divisive" and fueling the culture war for simply stating the purpose of our role in the world as women as according to the word of God is a problem. Our churches are rife with ineptitude and a lack of the scriptural knowledge that breeds maturity and allows you to find true freedom - something the world will never be able to offer you. So yes, the entire point is for the Christian woman to embrace what God says is true of her, right for her and ultimately what will bring her lasting freedom and joy. Submitting to God's will is the only way, and I wish you nothing but love in saying all that I've said. I don't think it's divisive to call our fellow women to their highest standard in Christ.
This was a really off putting interview. The guest comes off super judgemental - from little things like scoffing at all schools in the entire UK, to completely belittling working women and mothers. Someone can praise and empower, homemakers, without tearing down other women. And she takes a really dirty path instead of just lifting up those women who she wants to lift up.
SO, confused, are you saying to get a college degree? or what? I would have loved staying home and taking care of my kids, but it didn't happen. I love being a women and serving' my husband, by doing things for him to show him that I love him.
I love this podcast, but I see women in the 50s working to raise their children and keep a home with three squares in the table and entertaining their husband’s boss.
Hm…That are a lot in this interview that hasn’t set right with me. The wrong concept of what feminism is today specially. Feminism is inclusive of all women and everything we want to be. It’s that simple. Feminism is for me, a Brazilian woman, an atheist that doesn’t want to get married and doesn’t want children, but feminism is also for her that wishes to live her faith, with her husband and children. Let’s not demonize a movement that ultimate is here to support us in all of our differences. 🤎
C.S. Lewis said, “The homemaker has the ultimate career. All other careers exist for one purpose only - and that is to support the ultimate career. ”. This was such a great conversation and I felt like it was just for me! Thank you ladies!
I love the trajectory that your podcasts have taken lately! I think there are more Christian homemaking, homeschooling, homesteading mamas than people think. And these interviews are a breath of fresh air for us!
LOVE that you had Bekah Merkle on!! She’s a gem. Eve in Exile and her documentary really helped shape my view of homemaking. ❤
Same here!!
Both of you have completely changed the way I view homemaking. As a working mom turned stay-at-home mom, I was bored yet overwhelmed. I had no idea what being a homemaker was all about, even despite my mother and grandmothers being amazing at it. I had to change how I saw myself in the role, and you’ve both inspired me so much in that. Now I have fresh bread on the table and homemade Valentine decorations the kids and I filled the home with today. Baking and crafting were never interests of mine until God showed me a deeper meaning behind the flour and construction paper messes. Thank you both for being a voice we need to hear! I have so much more joy now!
Thrilled to hear this!!
Same!❤️
I was raised and trained by a career homemaker and am soooo thankful for that training. It occurred to me while watching your vlog that being a homemaker is so very much like running an entrepreneurial small family business, requiring many of the same skills and mindsets. I am a wife, mom, homemaker, veterinarian, and veterinary practice owner. I so love the message here, and hope that even when a young woman decides to pursue a career outside the home (my passion for veterinary medicine has been with me since I was 5 years old), you won't discourage it and will show her she can do both (not always at the same time). We don't have to be all things all the time, there are seasons of life. And some women, like me, felt called to have a career outside the home as well. But homemaker brings me the most joy and is the role for which I am the proudest. Thank you for what you do.
While I don't agree with everything she said, there were some nuggets of wisdom and thanks for bringing it to us Lisa. It's always interesting to hear another viewpoint.
YAY, my heart just leaped with excitement when I saw your guest for today's podcast! YAY! Love Bekah and the Canon team :) I love learning from her!!
The part I don't agree with is college is always the best route for males or females. She was raised with parents as educators and a husband in the education system so it's not a surprise she would feel college is so important. There have been so many college graduates who took on so much debt and have found there job opportunities disappointing. While many good paying jobs that require no college go unfilled. I would love to hear a podcast discussing that issue.
I agree with your point as someone who didn’t have the money to go to college, but was still able to have a wonderful education book wise and life wise. 🙂
I agree and in our current climate tradespeople are needed badly who have a work ethic!
We have 7 children and I want to guide them to the right job/career for them.
Thank you for this podcast! I'm glad to find a resource for inspiration in Bekah Merkle (I can't wait to read her book)! There has been and still is enormous need to take back the beautiful God-given role of stay-at-home motherhood, homemaking, femininity, and creativity. How I needed this type of support and encouragement 30 years ago when I was a young, stay-at-home Mom among a sea of women (and men!) who preached "you can and should have it all" - career, motherhood, money, place/power, and so on! What also needs to be discussed is the cultural messages boys/men have been and are receiving that teaches them to be uncomfortable with and resistant towards the "upstream paddling" required to make the homemaking, stay-at-home parenting lifestyle work.
I was so excited to listen to both you and Bekah! We are all in with classical education as well as teaching our daughters to be Godly educated women who look forward to God’s role He has made for us.
Enjoyed the conversation even if I'm past my prime. Your videos give me peace and inspiration. Feminism took the homemaking out of our homes a long time ago. I've been in the workforce longer than I cared, but needed. Now finally home under less than perfect circumstances. My season is making a home again and you are helping. Thank you 🙏👍
I absolutely LOVE her point she made about striving for excellence, I started to strive for excellence about 2 weeks ago, and it has brought me so much fulfillment, I actually look forward to the work I’m going to do every single day of my life now as a homemaker and a wife.
I've been binging all of your videos lately.. I lost all of my girlfriends since becoming a christian, mom, homesteader, homeschooler.. so I just wanted to let you know that you've really helped bring me hope again that there are like-minded, strong women who embrace the role our Heavenly Father gave us! AMEN SISTER! Thank you
So insightful! I also think when women struggle so much with their first baby (because we don't live in communities where we know much about raising babies,) these mamas think excellence in motherhood is beyond them or just not their thing. Often, with time, attention, and the pursuit of these good things, they can find joy in the creative art of homemaking. For me, it definitely took time where I had to stick with it - and days can still be a struggle! But it's such a noble thing. I also do struggle with cleaning, crafting, or specialty baking - even though I know they are good and beautiful for my family. Perhaps, some women like me would really like to get involved in compassion work or hospitality. I'm so much happier to make a meal if I double it and give it to someone in need, or if I bring my girls to our pregnancy center and we help out! But I am so thankful for the flexibility to be able to do that, which homemaking offers.
Love her book Eve in Exile. Just listened to it in a day! Our church is studying it
The most important interview ever. Hats off, Lisa!
I’m just now finding this and I’m hooked! Excited to watch her documentary!
What a great episode! I was so encouraged by the view of women as culture builders who can help one another. ❤️
This was so fun to listen to. Thanks for having her on :). Nowadays, I love homemaking, but it wasn't always that way. I'm glad the Lord changed my perspective 💛.
Glad you enjoyed it!
If your church does Apples of Gold, that is an awesome start! Did it right after getting married and it was so incredibly beneficial for my home making skills and allowed me to get to know women who have been married for multiple decades! Great conversation!
In our family we talk about the idea of "addition by subtraction ". I add to the home because we save money by my contributions.
My listing to this was definitely God directed in its timing. Just this morning, as I was doing "homemaking," the thoughts in my head were not very good about my role as a wife/mother/ homemaker. Thank you both for giving (reminding me) of a Godly perspective of what God thinks of our role as a wife/mother/ homemaker.
Also, thank you for being willing to use your platform to show the light of God and what his word says. I did not know that you were a Christian in my beliefs until this podcast.
Thank you for making content that honors God in the DOING of things. So much content out there is ivory tower theology, and there IS major benefit to that kind of worship and study, but, like James wrote, I want to be a DOER of the Word. This kind of discussion encourages me in the work I do in faith for God every day for my family. Thank you.
Yes yes yes! Got to love these sisters!!!! Rachel needs to be next!!!!
I know that God created me to be a wife and a mother, just as he did a homemaker. I have two beautiful step-children and my husband and I are expecting our first baby in December. Praise God for answered prayers 🙌🏼🥰 This was such a delightful listen thank you so much.
Happy to see Bekah Merkle on your podcast!
My friend has a shirt with Rosie the riveter on it. It says" I'm crafty I make people." I loved it because it's truly God's work!
I truly believe that being a wife/mother/homemaker is one of the most important jobs there is and that we play such an important role. We are shaping our home/environment and our children's lives. We have a part in who they become. I don't see how to someone it seems like a mindless thing we do when it takes so much effort and work. I believe it to be a blessing, but also one of the hardest jobs there is. Any ways loved this conversation! Great content as always.
I love this, I have been following you for a month or so. you are always inspiring to me. I am a stay at home mom and struggle on seeing my own value. Thank you for the reminder that this is important.
You are so welcome!
I want to thank you so much for this fresh new perspective and bringing this content to people who desperately need it.
I am on board with the premise of this podcast, so I enjoyed it on that front. I felt quite frustrated that she never gave concrete examples of women doing homemaking well, or what the redemption of homemaking could look like. Twice she was asked to give examples and didn't pin it down. I don't want a checklist, but the vision 'enfleshed' would have been helpful! I hope her book covers this more, I'll look it up.
Do check out her books and documentary. She’s been such a blessing to me…. My girls, too.
P. S. Her dish towels are insanely absorbent and just plain lovely!
@@overtf while I know the type of thing you're referring to, the book does actually flesh it out a little more. It was a helpful read I found.
I went to a Christian university, my education was not tied to my gender, but that I am not of this world, but live in this world, as such I may be the only representative of Christ some people will ever meet, so I need to live with that at the forefront of my mind. My purpose is not to be a homemaker, mother, or wife, but to be Christ-like, whatever stage of life I am in. Home making for a man or woman is a basic life skill, I learned from my zambian mom, even my only brother was taught the same skill my sisters, and I were taught ( my mother joked she didn’t want my brother to marry a woman just because of her house keeping skills, but a well rounded individual). As a Christian woman, I chose to refuse that home making is a gendered skill, neither is it something to be looked down on, nor exalted by some people to feel good they are doing it, but it is an important skill that every human being should be taught.
I think this is quite an interesting point of view. I’m a SAHM and have been for over five years without any sign of transitioning out into the workforce. I have never gotten the impression that anyone despises me or my role in the family. She says it several times during the interview and every time it didn’t sit right with me. I feel sorry that she has received the message that she is despised for staying home.
I think it depends on the circles you run in. Both my husband and I were raised in families that really focus on career as the ultimate achievement. They say family is important but it’s very apparent that your worth comes from what you do outside the home. I am constantly asked what I will do when I’m done raising kids and it’s obvious that they don’t consider what I’m doing now as a real contribution to society.
Her book, “Eve in Exile,” was like a balm to my soul as I have spent the past 15 years working into the idea that my job as a wife and homeschooling mom of 5 is enough.
Yeah despise is a strong word...I think the vibe I get is you are mom AND...? Like kids should just be side note
I agree. It’s sad to think that she sees the world as despising homemakers/SAHMs. I run in two different circles as four days a week I am a homemaker and three days a week I am a professional in an office. In both settings I have felt very supported. I know both mine and her experiences can be true but wanted to add the comment that I’ve never felt despised as a homemaker.
In the late 1980's and early 1990's I lived in a suburban neighborhood of new construction starter houses. There were 6 SAHM's on the block we lived in. This was in the Midwest in a city of 1 million people. It was considered normal even though more women worked than not. I never felt despised. In fact I think some working mother were jealous.
@@southloupriverhomestead4696 working moms can be homemakers too, and those of us who do our best to manage both are only jealous of the lost sleep
Love BeKah Merkle. I follow her also! This conversation was amazing!!
Love her and her family and all the work they do on the canon app
Wonderful and inspiring conversation!
So happy to see her on your podcast!
Thank you. This was great. I am enjoying your podcasts and videos Lisa. My favorite part that has stuck with me was about how God created us to be homemakers and given us the dominion over that sphere.
It also brought a scripture to mind from Ps 68 I've always appreciated:
Kings of armies did flee apace:and she that tarried at home divided the spoil. Though ye have lien among the pots, yet shall ye be as the wings of a dove covered with silver, and her feathers with yellow gold. Ps 68 12-13.
So excited to listen to this! Nancy Pearcey also has a great book called Total Truth that addresses the history of feminism in the U.S. as well. In regard to the Industrial Revolution, she mentioned how much of a transformation it had on the family unit. In colonial days, families worked their own family business, but the industrial revolution took men and other able-bodied members out of the home, so the women were actually burdened with more child-care responsibility than before. That made me think about how men are to lead their household....probably made it a lot harder once they left! And then the women were overwhelmed, felt it was unjust, and voila! First wave feminism (I hope I'm accurately relating the information in that book since it's been a few years since reading it...I highly recommend it if you want to fact-check me lol!).
I love being a homemaker.. and a follower of Our Lord Jesus Christ.. this podcast was so inspiring and a blessing to me. God bless you ladies!
this is illuminating!
Bekah Merkle gets an automatic like from me. LOVE her and her dish towels!🥰
Lisa I just love your content. Thanks for all your hard work putting it together!
Thank you for listening!
Great podcast! Lisa and Bekah have been such an inspiration in my life, as well as Rachel Jankovic, as a home maker. And Bekah's dish towels are very lovely.
Great guest. Thoroughly enjoyed this one. Thank you both. I really enjoy listening to Bekah, her sister Rachel and their father, Doug.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Would be so keen for the second book!! I’m in a central London church and this stuff is wildly alien in our church culture. I put a request in our church family WhatsApp for anyone who could teach me about sourdough… zero women got back to me. 2 blokes who also wanted to learn and a 20-something who had had a go and was willing to teach me and the others if they were keen. I’ve found some good youtube channels and took a book out from the library but I massively learn from someone in person, so it’s an uphill battle this end. Thanks for this pod!!
I'm excited to listen to the podcast. I also find Beka's book to have a very interesting topic!
Bekah is great! Appreciate her encouragement. ❤️
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Thank you so very much for speaking about this!! This is so needed these days. 💕
Glad it was helpful!
Love that you had Bekah on your show. Really enjoyed Eve in Exile.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I got so much from listening to this conversation! It has clarified many things for me that I've been struggling with recently. A very intelligent, sensitive, articulate (and funny) illumination on this challenging topic. I definitely feel to have some "ammunition" when trying to justify my way of life when speaking to career focused friends and relatives. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful to you!
What a blessing. This is a passion of my heart and I'm so happy you are talking about this beautiful Godly role of women in the home! THANK YOU!
You are so welcome!
This was an amazing discussion!
I loved her book Eve in exile and the documentary.
It was so good to have what I was feeling put into words by this video.
Love that you have her on! I love her stuff. ❤her documentary Eve in Exile is a favorite.
Great episode! Thank you so much!
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a pleasant surprise! I don't listen to podcasts much, but What Have You is a favorite when I do! I've been enjoying learning to cook from scratch and use fermented grains regularly with Lisa! Great discussion 😊
I love that podcast too :)
I’m surprised by the comments here that found this episode so controversial! I didn’t find her to be judgemental, more as she was laughing at the absurdity of certain ideas than at people. We have to be able to laugh at the insane things in this world to stay sane. I’m not Christian, but I still find a lot of value in the Truth and Beauty shared in Biblical teachings about masculinity and femininity. It might surprise some to say it is parallel in many ways to indigenous teachings.
I enjoyed this, but I am curious if your views of homemaking mean that you don't think women should become doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.
I greatly enjoy Rebekah Merkle, her content is always encouraging! Looking forward to my children attending NSA! Eve in Exile is fantastic!! ❤️
Encouraging to a very narrow slice of society. Dismissive and judgmental of most of us - not very Christ-like.
@Emilyshields4830- I agree! NSA is an amazing option. Can’t wait for my children to attend.
Her designs are beautiful!! I loved the talk and decided to check out her site. Wow, I get what she means now... towels and such that function well AND are gorgeous. Just gorgeous.
BEAUTIFUL! Thank You Ladies.
Thank you! 😊
Loved this episode!
I got so happy when I seen this video! I absolutely love Bekah's teachings on the Canon app and I love your channel Lisa!!
Thanks so much!!
Hi. It would be so awesome if you can get a guest on your podcast that can talk about how to transition from years of working a full time job in a company, to being a homemaker where your kids go to a state school during the day and you're feeling so lonely. The transition is hard because you were so used to working a 9-5 job and to be a homemaker after that, you feel lost.
Inspiring conversation! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you
You're welcome
Ms Merkle said that women now take more anti-depressants than women in the 1950s. This shows, she said, that home making 50s women were happier than women now, after feminism. Completely disregarding the fact that antidepressants were much more rarely prescribed in the 50s (even into the 70s and 80s). I wish she had been called out (politely of course) for such wrongheadedness.
Living in South Africa where what is wrong is seen as right and right as wrong and being ahomemaker is seen as a failure and something to be ashamed of it is such a blessing to see this.
Lovely chat
Great interview! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
As a British mother of six, (four daughters, two sons), I do find the implication that it is impossible to raise well educated and also godly children in the English public school system offensive. On the contrary, having to determine for themselves where their values lay was an excellent preparation for life as “educated homemakers”.
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So, beginner weaver here...gonna look up "bird's eye weave"...😊
I'm a liberal, feminist, Christian mother. I home schooled my children (now close to 40). I eventually returned to work as an adjunct instructor of Latin at a university (but am not a fan of classical education). The labeling and over-simplification evident in this podcast are distressing: I've never felt excluded by Lisa's approach or posts before now. Please don't stereotype or limit groups of people Feminism advocates that women have choices. (Read some quotes. Read some classic feminist works.) That's it. "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people," is one of my favorite quotes.
Yes!!! I completed agree. The narrow viewpoint takes it from one extreme to another.
Feminism seeks to achieve equality for women through the world’s systems. Christ tells us we are identified in Him and lasting freedom comes through Him alone.
Feminism tells us that the way to freedom/emancipation is through equality with men. The Bible tells us we were created for separate purposes. These ideologies conflict. One uses the world as it lens for truth and the other is truth- God’s truth. I don’t think Christ followers can be both.
@@meggo6673 You have a very privileged position. So you are saying that if a single mother gets a job, you think she should be paid less because she is a woman and belongs at home? If you disagree, and think she should be paid the same, you have benefited from feminism. Do you think your opinion is worth less than a man’s in the home? If not, you have benefited from feminism. Do you think you shouldn’t be able to advocate for your political beliefs? If not, you have benefited from feminism.
Your situation is not the same as anyone else. You can’t possibly make that decision for everyone.
Wow
Feminism claims equality with men. I assume that even if you believe we have different roles, you believe we are of equal value in God’s eyes.
I find this woman judgemental. If she thinks that christian schools do not exist in UK she can not have done much research. They certainly do. Also I think that to say that SAHM are despised is incorrect. In my experience most women who go out to would love to stay home with their children but financial constraints and their skill set means they have little choice but to work outside the home. They may be able to learn skills but day to day life gets in the way. I am not decrying the skills of homemaking can make a huge positive difference to wives/children and families in general but giving the impression that women choose the work outside the home because feminism has told them they have to is misguided. I love homemaking and do believe that it is a beautiful and creative pursuit but I dont judge others that dont have this choice.
I totally agree that some of the harkening back to the old days in wisdom is awesome but then creators (and others I'm sure, but creators are the ones I see) start dressing that way and it does start to feel a little like pretend. It just doesn't ring true. If there is wisdom in it, I'm interested. But I WOULD love to see if we all dove in and expressed what we come up with as opposed to copying days gone by or what we think days gone by were like... it would be so much more interesting and even life giving. Even if it were just drawing inspiration but then making it your own.
Please everyone in agreement !!! Pray for my husband , son’s , and don’s in covenant to value THE FATHER given role of women in the home and my daughters and daughters in covenant!!!🤲🏼🤲🏼🤲🏼
The thing that really bothers me here is your classification of feminism. Feminism is about a woman’s CHOICE and the acceptance of society to perform the roles she chooses, and understanding that she can do many of the same jobs as a man. As a woman who is a proud homemaker, but also works in the construction/renewable energy industry, feminist movement has made it possible for me to make a similar wage as my male counterparts (not always, but it is improving) This is a male dominated field, and the stipulation that feminism is limiting homemakers is a bit absurd.
1000% we need to bring pride and acknowledgement back to keeping a home, but not at the expense of women who choose otherwise. Make sure you aren’t clumping feminists into anti-homemaker support. It’s not the same thing. Feminists are not hurting homemakers, societal expectations of women is still the issue here.
I would also note that this short sighted view SEVERELY harms single mothers. Feminism is critical to wage equality, and a single mother has a right to do both - make a living wage AND be a happy homemaker!
I’m sorry, she seems way to judgmental. Laughing in judgement about others isn’t very funny. She laughed at modern women, England schools and a few others. To me, growing up in the south we had a mix of both and everyone helped . I come from a pastors home and ministry work, making fun or looking down at others isn’t appealing and really affirms the stereotypes of religious women being judgmental. I normally love the podcast but this one was lackluster. By the way I am 52 yrs old and the 80’s in a Christian school I understand the needs, we have so many things we need to do to help our children and husbands.
I think it's okay for her to hold her opinions, especially since she explained why she sees things the way she does. I won't judge her for it 😜
I’m so disappointed by this episode featuring someone who is fueling culture wars and pitting women against one another. Homemaking is a vital and valuable path. AND so are careers outside of the home. It takes all of us to build a better society. Every woman, every person should choose the path that best suits their strengths, their needs and lifestyle, and those of their family (if they choose the path of having a family).
I think you're missing her stance in terms of the things God created women to achieve - not as an either/or situation but rather both/and. We are not called to choose either homemaking or a career path. Homemaking IS our duty (highest calling), whether we have children or not, and the root of that is when we ask how we can best serve our homes in each season, to the glory of God. She clearly has had a career outside of the home, and never did she diminish that as valuable or a strength. She talked directly about entrepreneurship and the beauty of women taking ownership of their strengths and the personal qualities that they excel in. However, your home comes first. Your career is there to serve you, not the other way around - we need to be diligent as women to strive to find the correct balance between outside accomplishments and our responsibilities inside of our homes and to our families.
@@aoie11 And my point is that while it is a valid belief that homemaking is one's highest calling, comes first, and is ordained by one's god, many people believe differently which is also valid. Insisting that's the only right way while denouncing the "culture" and "feminism" is incredibly divisive and overly-simplistic thinking.
@@findingmywayhome5829 ok, but believing differently from God's design isn't in the cards for a Christ follower, sorry. Obviously if you're not a Christian, you're not going to subscribe to a Christian lifestyle, no one is arguing that. But if you are, labeling someone as "divisive" and fueling the culture war for simply stating the purpose of our role in the world as women as according to the word of God is a problem. Our churches are rife with ineptitude and a lack of the scriptural knowledge that breeds maturity and allows you to find true freedom - something the world will never be able to offer you. So yes, the entire point is for the Christian woman to embrace what God says is true of her, right for her and ultimately what will bring her lasting freedom and joy. Submitting to God's will is the only way, and I wish you nothing but love in saying all that I've said. I don't think it's divisive to call our fellow women to their highest standard in Christ.
@Gzams4590- SO well said!!!!
This was a really off putting interview. The guest comes off super judgemental - from little things like scoffing at all schools in the entire UK, to completely belittling working women and mothers. Someone can praise and empower, homemakers, without tearing down other women. And she takes a really dirty path instead of just lifting up those women who she wants to lift up.
SO, confused, are you saying to get a college degree? or what? I would have loved staying home and taking care of my kids, but it didn't happen. I love being a women and serving' my husband, by doing things for him to show him that I love him.
What do you say to the young woman who does not yet have children?
Every stage of life is worthwhile and beautiful. Do the best at making your current life, the life you want to live.
I love this podcast, but I see women in the 50s working to raise their children and keep a home with three squares in the table and entertaining their husband’s boss.
Hm…That are a lot in this interview that hasn’t set right with me. The wrong concept of what feminism is today specially. Feminism is inclusive of all women and everything we want to be. It’s that simple. Feminism is for me, a Brazilian woman, an atheist that doesn’t want to get married and doesn’t want children, but feminism is also for her that wishes to live her faith, with her husband and children. Let’s not demonize a movement that ultimate is here to support us in all of our differences. 🤎