Australia's still got its funding issue, because of that they nearly didn't participate this year. Their NQ might cause a really big issue for their participation.
Just found out that the Latvian parliament has voted against a petition asking the broadcaster to permanently withdraw and redirect those funds towards sports, thereby clearing the way for a potential participation in 2025
Yeah, that’s the thing with government petitions, it had to be reasonable for it to accepted, as much as people over here felt that “we’re dumping money for nothing” and for some the notion of “it’s all perverted because of outdated values of society” in the end, saeima seemed to decide that it’s not in their power to move that organizational money to sports.
Not to mention, i feel like the petition author forgot that LTV isn’t really raking in funds due to lost ability of showing commercials couple years ago
I'm being real I might be just an idiot but I can't tell if that means latvia may return or not, I hope they do, they're like my favorite Eurovision country
Hi, Adam, a Latvian viewer here, the whole "behave obscenely"part in that petition is more towards the non-binary status of the many artists, we're not entirely anti-LGBT, we've made some improvements to be acceptable, but unfortunately it's still way far away to be completely acceptable, for instance old gens have a hard time accepting Nemo's female style outfit, not to mention, the very first gay pride back in 2000's here wasn't received well with the attendees having to have a security on them.
Honestly I fear that by having such big focus on LGBT things we only "scare away" the countries that are not fully there yet, and hence failing to build acceptance and understanding around the topic
@@987liss yeah, i myself get that whole idea of inclusivity, but it's just sometimes served a bit tonedeaf by EBU. Tho, Adam, yeah, it's that bad with our biathlon scene, our sportscaster usually calls the winters "biathlon kitchen" becuz financial issues despite our great performance never seems to end.
that's such a shame because the song they won with in 2002 kind of had LGBTQ themes and the guy that literally broke their NQ streak absolutely loves Nemo and seems very accepting in general.
@@987liss I don't know what you are talking about. I know LGBT-people the last fifty years or so. The T was for travesty and maybe drag queens. But most people in this community are very normal, ordinary people and a lot of them hate pride-manifestations. They told me many times as I was there or when I was in the city when a pride-manifestation happened. So I can't see how Eurovision has anything to do with acceptance or building bridges. Gay people and trans people have the same rights as hetero people in most European countries.
One of my favourite things about Eurovision is discovering artists from outside the Anglosphere. If you look at who wins Best International in the Brit Awards, you'll find it's dominated by American artists and the few non Americans who do win it tend to be from other Anglosphere countries.
Problems include: 1. Casual viewers aren't interested when their countries go out in the semi-finals. 2. Smaller nations can't compete with the larger ones on staging due to cost. 3. Too many entrantsls since the fall of the Berlin wall. Forty-odd countries, means on average a country will win it once every forty-odd years and probably only finish in the top five, once every eight years or so. You may not live long enough to see your country win it again 😮. 4. Due to various online polls on the run-up etc. everyone knows who will win before the contest starts. 5. It's become 'too' cheesy. 6. Controversial but factual; it's not very diverse (too LGBTQ+ centric/too white/not enough variation in genres) compared to the music industry in general. 7. Who had the bright idea to allow voting before all songs are performed? Do any other contests allow that? 8. Viewers don't like the idea of the larger countries getting in the final when smaller ones need to qualify. 9. Over political voting. 10. It drags on for far too long for the casual viewer.
I agree with most of your point but I don't really see the issue with 3. We're comparing it with other contests in the other points but 40 something really isn't stretching it when we compare it to other international competitions.
the issue with number 3 may have to do with number 2: the big countries are competing for the same grand final spots as the small nations. and with only 10 available spots on each semi, the big countries with the big budgets tend to qualify more than the small ones, because they have the resources to put on a better show. compare the stagings and qualification rates of countries like sweden or greece and countries like san marino or north macedonia
I agree with 1, 2, 4, 5, 8 and 9. Not sure I agree with 10. 3 seems a bit harsh as others have mentioned. I don't agree with 7... I thought that was a good change as it is put into place to get rid of the whole "we want to perform between #18 and #22" business. In regards to 6, I get where you are coming from. There does seem to be a trend now where countries are falling over each other to make their act LGBT friendly. I'm almost convinced that's how we ended up getting 0 points from the public this year. I do however think there is some variety there at least in terms of the music. I always love to see the quirky instruments/different genres which spawn out every year, Also "too white" seems a bit harsh. Most of Europe is white... there's no real getting away from that.
It will still be near enough the same amount of entries in the grand final, which is really the only one casual viewers watch and even in the semi finals it will not be very noticeable that there are more countries seeing as it is split up into 2 sections
It got too toxic. The toxic people themselves ofc won't admit that they are part of the problem, because they live in the belief tha they have the right to act like a piece of sh*t if things don't go their way 🤢
Absolutely no one should hate Eurovision, nor should they order the EBU to announce that an upcoming season of the long-running reality competition will be the last prior to the finale of a current season.
totally agree, those who start to protest against Isreal in a competition about fucking music was dumb! and the unnecessary hate for girl in the age of 20
@@mayaha200 that girl is a Ukrainian traitor who sung for Putin’s troops and has violated the Ukrainian law by entering the Russian occupied areas of Ukraine and singing for war criminal, she not innocent and knew exactly what she was doing. Add to that she was willing to sing a highly political song while pretending her entry is non political and I can’t see how a neutral person wouldn’t see her as a tool of putin and Israeli government and not some innocent “girl”!she an adult.
i dont hope norway is going to quit next year. im from norway and i love eurovision and mgp!! :D we did get last place this year, but in 2023 we got a rlly good place!
If that country hadn't participated this year & hadn't manipulated the televote, people would've been more free to vote where they wanted & all those points wouldn't have been that concentrated at the top. Then Gate would've got more votes. As a Dutchy i didn't vote this year, didn't want to give the EBU money. Ulverham would've got points.
Sadly it's not the reality countries are cash strapped and some are using the contest for government propaganda and also bullying other artists and censoring them. The first one you can't do anything about and the later means if you don't kick them you're creating a rod for your own back as you're going to have trouble attracting artists.
@@keithw9290this one country participating ruined the 2024 season and turned it to a 💩show, so yes it should be removed + it's in the same situation as Russia was when Russia was expelled
@@edisonarce3777 he did what he did but still got too harsh of a punishment for something that was barely and issue (told someone VERBALLY to stop filming him and getting punished for that?? like can you not say no or defend yourself?)
Information about Latvia, common sense prevailed yesterday evening in parliament and withdrawal from eurovision was voted against so I as far as I understand they will participate
The problem is, we can't keep politics away from the contest (not that sports are any less politicized right now). Belarus was banned for supposedly sending a political song in 2021 (but Ukraine did that twice if not thrice and that wasn't a problem), Russia was banned for invading Ukraine (but Turkey was never banned for invading Northern Cyprus, nor was France ever banned for the Algerian War), we also keep hearing how Eurovision's values are democracy, etc., but the same contest had no problem accepting Spain under Francisco Franco, Portugal under Salazar, Greece under the miitary junta, Turkey under military coupists, Yugoslavia under Tito, etc. (and still today has no problems accepting eg. Azerbaijan under Aliyev, go figure). The change happened after 1991 when Yugoslavia was suddenly banned because of the Balkan wars (but Croatia, who also claimed a part of BiH - the Croatian Republic of Herzeg-Bosnia - and who committed such "nice" things as Operation: Storm in 1995 with which they ethnically cleansed Vojna Krajina of Serbs, was never banned), it's almost like after the end of the cold war, some form of arrogance took over the West, causing it to become very tribal and authoritarian. Sure, let's ban Israel. But then, let's be contest, and also ban Turkey for occupying Northern Cyprus, any NATO member state who has troops anywhere in Africa, Syria, Iraq, etc., And of the remainder, half can easily banned for the same reason as Belarus, ie. sending political songs. We're quickly going to be left with an Eurovision in which only one or two countries participate. Is that really what we want?
Bases on this logic then there will be no countries competing in eurovision anymore. Eurovision was MADE because of politics🙃🙃🙃 Also political lyrics in the songs were FROM THE START banned, so Belarus was rightfully banned, Greece and Turkey were both fined in the past for political lyrics. Israel's song was literally october rain(if you can't get what this means then you are really living under a rock) but instead of saying october rain she said hurricane, and all the drama and harrassement Israel deserves expulsion like russia did. And yes it is hypocrisy that Ukraine can still compete with political songs but Ukraine as least isn't breaking any other rules And one last thing, I'm greek and we debuted in 1974 AFTER the junta fell, we never participated under the junta
Zanimljivo je kako si spomenuo Hrvatsku, ali si zaboravio spomeniti Srbiju koja je pocela sve ratove u ex-yu. Dzaba ti engleski jasno je otkud si. Pozdrav svim normalnim ljudima u Srbiji, znam ih dosta, ali vi vucicevi sendvicari ste stvarno posebna sorta.
I see that one Latvian already explained the context, however, I want to add a bit more: There’s quite many initiatives that collect 10k signatures and get looked at in the Saeima, however, most of them do not get passed. In addition to this, our current government is quite progressive, and for the first time we have a Left-view government, so this might help the cause of the initiative to not reach further stages
And yeah, i missed a lot of parts in the explanation, but didn't wanted to turn my comment into an essay, so i just went with the most surface level explanation.
As a Croatian, I hope Croatia withdrews. Let's be real, we achieved the best result possible as an independent country, won as Yugoslavia, ESC was already in Zagreb - we had it all. Let's spare the money and let the freak show tank itself.
Could it be like 1970 where a good cluster* of countries drop out due to what happened the previous year, then rejoin the following year? Given, 1969 had a different main reason for controversy, but it lead to a lasting impact with big rule changes (new voting format, more performers on stage, etc.). If the EBU does not make any big moves this year, I get the feeling 2025 will be noticeably smaller, before jumping back up in 2026 (assuming the dip scares the EBU into making big changes). *Long story short for 1970, 1969 had a 4-way tie. All the Scandinavian countries + Portugal (they placed pretty poorly) boycotted 1970 as a result, but then they returned in 1971.
I feel like a lot of countries could withdraw, since this has been by far one of the most chaotic ESC editions so far, but I hope that as you said they return the following year. Also nice pfp lol.
Bosnia Herzegovina 1999 was one of my favourites. I love Moldova 😂. They always are up for a laugh. That's real dedication for the musicians to be funding themselves knowing that they are unlikely to win but at least they are memorable
@@AW-EV-and-FTMHow about a mentally disturbed man in a dress on a microwave plate screaming like somebody crushed his balls, how about goth girl performing exorcism, that porn from Spain maybe?;Kids watch Eurovision too, there needs to a code, like, ok, you can't do that on stage.
I don't think they'll do it in 2025, but I wouldn't be surprised if Norway decides one year to take a break. For as much as we Brits complain about always being last or almost-last (it got me how the news focused on Olly Alexander getting nil points from the televote, despite at least getting 46 points from the jury), Norway have quite a history with the bottom of the leaderboard. They've only NQ'd three times, but been last in the final a record 11 times including four nil points. In all fairness to them, they have also won the contest three times. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if someone from the Norwegian broadcasters says "Guys… why do we keep doing this to ourselves?"
No thanks. Norway need to stay in. I still have Spirit in the Sky and Queen of Kings on my playlist. Both those deserved to win. In fact I think if Alessandra had participated this year then she may well have won given the dearth of quality in this year's competition compared to last year's (when any one of five could've won).
@@Matthew-bu7fg Oh yeah, I want Norway to stick around as well. "Spirit in the Sky" is also one of my favs, among the crowd-pleasing "Fairytale", the criminally underrated "It's Just a Game" and the ironically brilliant "Mil Etter Mil". I'm just saying that if Norway do ever decide to skip a year based on their track record for coming last, I'd understand.
Melodifestivalen news, from next year onwards, all the songs in it’s entirety for each semifinal will be released on friday instead of after the last semifinal, thus mean no sneek peak.
Sweden decided to host Eurovision 2024 in the Lebanon of Europe. Anyone surprised at Europe’s longest hatred going on outside has really not been paying attention.
@@harrietamidala1691 They were pretty much the default. Gothenburg's Scandinavium was being demolished and rebuilt, in Stockholm Avicii Arena (Globen) was undergoing renovations, Tele2 was taken by football and Friends Arena was booked by Taylor Swift
Great video! What do you think would happen if the big 5 made their participation contingent on "necessary changes"? Are they legally obliged to finance the next ESC? Could they splinter off and organise their own competition? The heady days of 43 participating countries seems so remote now. I can understand if countries decide to withdraw in the current economic climate, but would hate to see anyone leave. Totally agree that if it wasn't for Eurovision, I wouldn't have discovered some brilliant, new and established "mainland" European artists. PS shout out to Dons - seems like a great guy.
Some people abroad claimed, that Finland will participate, because YLE declared it was searching participants to the UMK. They didn't spot something more nuanced. A year ago, they declared, they were searching participants to the UMK _and_ to represent Finland in the Eurovision. This time they didn't mention the Eurovision. So maybe there will be UMK 2025, but that doesn't mean, that Finland will participate to ESC.
@@StarTheTripleDevil are tiu sure? Because i can clearly remember, that last year, when they started to search successor for Käärijä, they said they were searching a representaatio to the ESC. This year they didn't say that.
@@patrickuotinen I guess this year, they just don't want to draw as much attention to Eurovision due to its more negative reputation compared to last year. But the thing in the terms and conditions is still the same thing that they had in previous years, and there were still some UMK participants who said that they wouldn't participate (or at least Jesse Markin did while others were still hesitant) so idk how strict that rule really is.
I think Moldova will do everything in their power to continue to be in Eurovision (which is probably part of the reason they often have returning artists who are probably more well off than newer artists). They're kind of in a sensitive/tense situation regarding Russia, wanna be in the EU, etc and Eurovision is probably the only platform where they can use soft power effectively (and let's be real, a lot of the general public in the west doesn't know anything about Moldova aside from Eurovision). Worst case scenario is they axe the national final (and internally select someone with money) and we won't get to see another Tudor Bumbac banger. the EBU will probably keep Kosovo in their back pocket for 2025 if they need an additional country. I'm not fully sure if they'll actually end up participating right away since it's a weird situation but it could very well happen sooner rather than later.
Kosovo is a very complicated situation, and considering this could lead to protests from Serbia and lock Bosnia and Herzegovina out of the contest( +cause concern on countries like Greece and Spain who don't recognize Kosovo) they'll at least for 2025 keep Kosovo out of the contest to keep as many countries as possible within. Bringing Kosovo with such risk into 2025 after 2024 was a 💩show and everyone is just about ready to call quits, Kosovo is best kept out for 2025 and considered for real in 2026 if 2025 goes smoothly
@@andreaslefteri3661 Don't think it's a coincidence that Kosovo wants to compete in 2025 - the contest is going to be held in Switzerland, where there's a significant Kosovar diaspora. Most of the footballers on the Swiss national team in Euro 2024 are with Kosovar roots.
Here's my idea. We have a competing song contest and we call it the EU song contest. Only members in the EU or former members can enter. Only real live instruments are allowed when performing and strictly no studio gimmicks like autotune or electronic synth beats, this will be a disqualification. Just raw, musical talent allowed.
Everyone talks about the contest being political because of the Palestine situation, but why no one thinks that pushing LGBT statements also falls in the political category? Do you think that countries have withdrawn just because of financial hardship? Eurovision’s peak to me was the early 2000s when it was more about sharing your country’s culture. Particularly in the songs, but you could also see that even in the interval acts. What do we have in the interval acts right now? Drag queens, hosts singing about stuff that the majority of people don’t get, some local singers that no one’s ever herd about and some clips of “Eurovision history” which honestly make me vomit because they are featured every single year. Eurovision has become an event to a particular audiance. And 20 years ago it used to be for everyone. Do you still think it’s a family show? I sure think not. So downscale the contest and make it for everyone again and you’ll see more countries coming back.
The first LGBT song to win was in 1961. The first interval drag queen act was in 1973. The late 90s early 2000s is seen as the peak gay camp Eurovision era. Kindly take your bigotry elsewhere.
@@LeafHuntress First drag performers 1986 Norway unless you count Greece dressing up as Charlie Chaplin. First singing drag queens 2002 just reinforcing your points.
@@QFredfons Oh definitely. When I hear about revenge and crap like that I'm losing my shit. Joost's name and reputation was ruined and dragged through mud WITHOUT ANY ACTUAL PROOF and they will go back? That would be the worst mistake.
We've always had an 'odd' way of picking entries in Australia. For a few years, one of the record labels (Sony I think) was allowed to choose who was sent and they really only sent ex reality TV singers from shows like Australian Idol. Those singers don't have big careers behind them and are always a bit obscure. After that, a 'mini-Eurovision' was held to pick an entry and it worked pretty well. Now it appears that SBS (the government TV station that has broadcast Eurovision for 30 years) is just picking the entry with no public consultation. The entry they chose this year was a very 'politically correct' one who most Australians had never heard of. No one was surprised when they didn't make the grand finale, and a lot of people thought the act was just 'cringe'. The contest has been incredibly popular here for decades, but no one would be surprised if an announcement was made that we were not going to continue participating.
I don’t think Electric Fields was a bad choice…. 2000 and Whatever has consistently been voted one of the fandom’s favourite non-qualifiers in history. The problem was the song they chose - One Mikali is great for radio, but a terrible choice for the Eurovision stage. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we pull out, and after 2024’s dramas I’d be OK with it.
Norway intends to participate in 2025, being dependent on how the EBU plans to tackle polarisation, politics and security concerns. They're basically asking the EBU to tread a minefield, try to disarm all mines and come out of it unscathed. The Eurovision Song Contest has been political for as long as I can remember, and is used as a way for countries to showcase their culture, but also to demonstrate their indignations about societal issues through art and music. Regional rivalries between countries will always flare up this time of year, and for as long as Israel is an EBU member, you can count on having people protesting their participation and their membership because of the Palestine genocide. In my view, as much as the EBU tries to downplay (and even censor out) the political aspect of the contest, they'll never be able to fully control it.
As a Slovak, I am sad to see the lack of entries or willingness from my country. However, now on the 1st of July, the original free broadcaster was disbanded and replaced by a new one, similarly to how it was in Hungary, so I'm very doubtul we'll be taking part in this any time soon.
The number of nations taking part has largely increased due to allowing Australia to take part and Yugoslavia splitting up its republics - even the former Czechoslovakia is now two separate countries - on at least one occasion, Corsica has been known to take part and even Malta has done it a few times - if it goes much further, we will have England, Northern Ireland,Scotland and Wales wanting to take part - even the tiny islands that are off the coasts!
Malta is a sovereign nation and has been for 62 years, and has a population greater than Iceland and on par with Montenegro, so I don’t see how that’s a shocker.
As someone who was in The Netherlands in the lead-up to and durring Eurovision 2024, Most people would genuinely be surprised if AVROTROS doesn't drop the competition. They've spoken out against the EBU during the show itself Albeit in corporate speak as to not breach contract. And have implied to fundamentally disagree with multiple decisions made by the EBU, Not just Joost's disqualification. Tho due to legal issues they cannot address those issues publicly. So while they've hinted at their stance on Israel's participation and similar topics they aren't allowed to address, If they ever confirm these they are 100% not joining in 2025.
As a Norwegian: Yes, it's all about Israel. Israel's participation has generally been quite unliked by large sections of the Norwegian public, before mostly as discontent grumbling, but for obvious reasons it reached a boiling point this year. In addition to all the other obvious reasons many Norwegians also have some personal animosity towards the Israeli government for feeling like we were treated by them as stooges during the Oslo accords on account of how Israel behaved towards Palestine afterwards. Israel's participation, and the ESC-department at NRK seeming defense of ESC including them, was met with heavy local opposition and protest this year and most of the artists in Norway's local competition was against it. I don't remember if it was Gåte themselves or Gothminister, but one of them said something along the lines of "if not for reasons of morality or consistency [the latter in reference to Russia being banned] then they should be banned for no other reason than basic safety concerns". So the comment quoted in the video seems an echo of this statement. The Israeli government also seeming (I haven't looked into it personally yet) spending a lot of money on a voting campaign for their artist, basically buying votes for political validation, has only strengthened the animosity towards ESC allowing them to compete. Gåte, a darling of the local folk-rock scene, coming last this year probably didn't help, but probably didn't make a big difference either, if Norway cared much about coming last we wouldn't have kept sending Jahn Teigen so many times (may he rest in peace) or made "Mil etter mil" not only his biggest hit, but also one of, if not the, song most associated ESC/MGP over here.
Safety concerns? Please Perhaps it is usual practice in Norway to give in to demands made by huligans who use cultural events for low quality political properganda, but it should not be. I believe what enraged you the most was Israel's ability to put a solid enough product on stage to win over the crowds in the popular vote, where it finished second despite the surrounding cacophony, which was nothing more than low-end farce.
It's unfortunate if what you say about Norwegian public sentiment seeing themselves as stooges for hosting the Oslo Accords is correct; nevertheless, if former US President Bill Clinton is regarded as credible enough in your and the Norwegian public's opinion, I believe you're are all pointing the finger in the wrong direction. According to Clinton, as he clearly states in his memoirs, it was former PLO leader Yassar Arafat, who refused to sign on the signed line and settle for peace despite garnering recognition and a Nobel Peace Prize.
Certainly I'll no longer be watching. I've watched since 1995, but it really feels like the show is aimed at a certain group of people, of which I am not a member. So many performances and the whole set-up is not about "fun" or "camp", it's just about "the message" - and that "message" is different, as it should be, but it's meant to be a SONG contest, not about a message, or a "performance" or being contraversial. So yeah, I'm not watching next year.
( sorry for a long comment ) Another Latvian viewer here, i love eurovision a lot, i found out about my favorite artist because of eurovision (hatari), and i would have hated it if the parliament would have withdrew, thankfully they didnt ( at least i think ?) but to be fair, nearly nobody i know watches eurovision, maybe my parents will tune in or something, but mostly nobody really cares as much as i hate to say it. Also what doesn't help is that a lot of the population is against lgbt, which is really sad, especially when you consider eurovision an lgbt safe haven. So that comment about people behaving "obscenely" is unfortunately, most-likely directed to that specific group of people :( But also as someone who enjoys sports, especially basketball and ice hockey, i really hope they get the proper funding they require. It is a very sticky situation, and i'm actually glad that someone is speaking about the neglect of funding sporting communities and all that, even if i disagree with almost everything else he said. Lastly i just wish that eurovision became more of a bonding experience for europe, and ebu as a whole, not just some contest. Currently the ebu is on thin ice judging by public response to how they treated the entire joost situation so i just really hope that everything improves.
Same, im partly latvian myself and I wouldnt want to see them withdraw because whenever I watch eurovision I have 2 countries to get hyped about (Ireland & Latvia) so I hope everything goes ok and Latvia returns to Eurovision 2025 in probably Zürich
well, thankfully, it's confirmed that parliament declined that petition as luckily the author failed to provide any substantial evidence and even sports fans were like "good comedy show, seriously let the parliament figure that one themselves instead of you making yourself into an idiot with an naive notion of magical fix" but yeah, glad that you can confirm the issue with our LGBT rights. But i'm with you, as someone who loooves football, basketball, hockey, F1, heck even some baseball and american football or sports in general, i also love to see that our sports federations get the proper funding to invest, but this petition ain't it, chief. The author unfortunately was under a poor notion that 400k euros "will be enough to build a great sports youth programmes" not to mention that i bet the author didn't consider that LTV as the broadcaster doesn't earn money as it is, they left the commercials market 3 years ago.
@@ZebraMan74 well, the fact that we failed to qualify 7 times before it really suggests that, not really, they would've stuck around as it is as it still generated a good amount of ratings (LTV themselves confirmed that around 200 thousand viewers watched "Supernova" and there were 55,000 voting for other countries) Yes, it's not even near half of the population, but it's still top 5-10 most viewed broadcasts with LTV.
I think fewer countries will be good for the contest. It's got too big, and that is what has led to some of the problems we had this year. It's also too long. SVT's announced plans to cut time amounted to nothing. Let's have seven qualifiers from each semi and a 20 song final and get it done with in three hours.
This will be the time for the EBU to do whatever it takes to prevent a potential mass exodus of countries for variety of reasons that had been built up not just this year (though 2024 may've accellerated some issues) - for example the voting system. If the EBU is not willing to change and just keeps the contest chugging along with the current format, then what is the incentive for countries to continue? Why countries like Bulgaria or Czechia will bother sending out entries every year when the interest there is miniscule and they'll have a chance at win only once in 10 years? And most importantly if the EBU doesn't want to change it could risk threatening the integrity of the Eurovision Song Contest (their golden goose so to speak) by alienating big and important players like Norway and the Netherlands. And keep in mind that Italy was absent for over a decade and for them the Sanremo Music Festival is far more important and would care less if Italy is not at the Eurovision Song Contest. Türkiye (formerly known as Turkey) has last competed in 2012 and they hadn't competed since for a boatload of reasons (the LGBTQ+ stance of the Turkish government notwithstanding). I think some form of a 'fund' by the EBU to support smaller nations, participating in the contest could be a good start and will ensure countries like Moldova will stay for the long run. Sure, artists are able to cover the costs, but even that takes its toll on them as well and that 'fund' will be of great help. But after the kerfuffle that was the 2024 edition I sincirely doubt that most of the top ranked officials will remain in their roles for much longer - which is maybe the thing NRK and AVROTROS want to see before making a decision. I sincirely don't see a scenario in which Martin Österdahl remains as executive supervisor of the ESC - sure, not all of the decisions were made by him, but he's essentially the gatekeeper of the ESC and many will point the finger at him anyway. Perhaps this role should be selected by the host broadcaster - say in 2025 SRG SSR (the Swiss national broadcaster) is picking the executive supervisior. But then again, most imprtantly, the EBU also needs to be more transparent. I think you make a top notch content that I've enjoyed a lot (like the three major ITV strikes and the history of colour television in various countries) and I'm looking forward to more deep dives on older Eurovision contests, because I like your analysis on the 1963 contest and how it was back in the old days. Keep the good work going.
so am an latvian, and what i can say is that i support us leaving the eurovision, as stated from the eurovision we don't get a lot of PR also we aren't the richest nation, so participating do eat up are fonds, but the biggest thing is the state of eurovision, first in eurovision there are spread a lot of sentiments that a lot of latvians don't agree, its usually the lgbt stuff which the older population dislike and stuff like isreal participating which the younger population don't like, also the way how eurovision was run this year also have made a sower taste.
I think a lot of countries don’t want to win because it’s so expensive to host if you do. I suspect this explains some of the acts Ireland has sent, including Jedward and the poultry one.
Well, Ireland actually hosted the Eurovision contest a lot during the 90s because they constantly kept winning it, so that probably led to a series of poor quality act to keep them from winning again, although I wonder if they’ll have motivation to try to get their eighth victory after Sweden one last year and getting their first top 10 result in a long time
But I believe it's still beneficial, like people from all Europe (and not only) spend their money in your country for some time and btw Eurovision has the contest's biggest financial contributors known as the "Big Five"-France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom. I'm not sure about what costs they cover, but I believe they are quite significant since these countries always have places in the Grand Final, they don't need to qualify there because of their donations
I've always wondered about Australia's participation. It seems like a case of diminishing returns, and I wonder what they're getting out of it at this stage.
Worst case scenario, we go back to having only one semi-final and more automatic qualifiers. And maybe that way the contest would become more affordable for the countries still participating.
Another issue is the Jury/Public vote. Over the last 5 years, Norway has suffered a couple of times so this also could be a reason why they want change. I remember them being vocal on this in 2023. I do feel that the Juries have a place in Eurovision but not 50% of the votes
So, 2 Months later taht doesn't look that bad any more. I think we got 36 nations guaranted for next year. For now, 8 nations didn't mention anything on a participation, those are Estonia, Ukraine, Moldova, Australia, Georgia, Armenia, Greece and Poland. And I don't think any of them will withdraw, only Moldova, Australia and Poland didn't qualify this year, but in general they are not really bad at eurovision and all qualified last year. Not participating countrys next year are Bosnia, Slovakia and Andorra, as well as Liechtenstein and Kosovo not debuting next year. Out of all participants 2024, the Netherlands and Czechia are the most interesting ones and they are the most likely ones to withdraw. All the other nations participating this year are also participating next year, except Albania, Iceland and Ireland, which haven't finally decided yet. Albania is somehow very complicated, some say that they already decided to 100% participate, I say they didn't decide yet, but they will be there 99%. So far as I know, Albania just started directly after ESC 2024 was over, to prepare for their next national final. Ireland mentioned that they will finally do a own national final show outside of their late late show and Iceland mentioned to do some changes on their format of national final, to do a bit better next year. So I think it's very likely to see all of them again next year. All countrys I didn't talk about are participating next year. But now let's go on with that ones that didn't participate this year. First, Montenegro IS coming back with a national final, while Bulgaria didn't mention a lot of a statement, but they will decide in September. Of the others I didn't get many informations. What I heard is, that Monaco mabye comes back after a long time. The others are standing in the stars right now, so we have to wait and be optimistic. And hey, mabye Marokko surprises everyone and comes back, noone knows. Or we got a Debut of Kazakstan. Or mabye Israel gets disqualified and we get Tunesia and Lebanon to debut
I love Eurovision and it would be a shame if countries leave it. But cant it be less gay, less over the top, because this year was too much, even for a gay man like me 😂😂
@@rebecamendez5456 😂😂😂 I was embarrassed that we said him this year, we should stop sending “popular” people that are rubbish at singing, the only person, that worked was Sam. We should do what other countries do and hold a small singing contest, to see what the uk public wants.
It wasn't just the UK, I believe Finland and Spain, went too far and Finland wasn't funny, just disgusting. I don't mind people showing their sexualities or gender, like how Nemo did it. But the Spanish dancers, wearing the clothes that they had, showed so much that it made not only me, but my family and friends to be uncomfortable and the Finland singer was dressed, well his 'outfit' had a malfunction, and something slipped.
@@delboy292 lol I get you, I also disliked Spain because the song itself was weak too, Oli at least had a better voice but his song just didn't work, both were overly sexual for my taste. For Finland I have a soft spot, maybe because it was less about sexuality and more about having fun/being cartoonish, and I'm used to that kind of comedy. Hope the UK has another Sam soon, because you guys are really talented, actually i'd like to see the bottom countries making a come back (poor Germany) or another country different from the usual ones to win next year or the years to come.
Well, I am latvian. And I don't agree with this petition. Yes, maybe we didn't get to finals for 6 or 7 years, but in my opinion, that doesn't matter. It's about showing yourself, getting good friends and contacts, and representing the country. So I am still team Latvia and can't wait for next year. 🎉
Latvian parliament voted to ignore this initiative as it is the choice of our public broadcaster LTV, which most likely won't leave ESC as it's one of the most watched shows
In my opinion, every country that can't accept this as an apolitical contest shouldn't participate. Serbia shouldn't be part of it if they have a problem with Kosovo, nor Norway if they are against Israel's participation. If you can't put politics aside in the Eurovision (at least officially) then stay out of the contest. Eurovision is a song contest that is about "united by music", It's not a football game!
Maybe if Israel can't cope with Palestinian art including around of one bloke where that's his heritage they should piss off instead of Norway I'd miss them less.
@@EmoBearRights The Muslim culture is an integral part of Israel's society. The amount of Arabs living in Israel as citizens is larger than the number of Jews living all over Europe altogether. So who you claim can't cope with the art of whom exactly?
@@DavidSH1953 Well said. I'm amazed by the ignorance of all these blind haters every time I see It. While about 20% of the people living in Israel are Arabs/Palestinians, the Jewish communities around Europe are deteriorating more and more over the years. And, it's not just the number of Muslims in Israel..: Many of the Jewish people originate from Eastern countries, including countries that are enemies by definition to Israel like Syria, Iraq, and Iran. So you can also include the cultures of those countries as part of the Israeli culture.
@@adirshimshon9965the main issue is Israel is killing children. Before you say, well Hamas is too. Well Hamas is a terrorist organisation, does that mean that the IDF - the official Israeli militia - is also a terrorist organisation because they commit the same crimes?
@@ZebraMan74 I think the reason for the withdrawal is more likely due to a scheduling clash of having junior Eurovision 2024 on a Saturday instead of a sunday. The biggest TV show ratings hit is strictly come dancing and that airs around that time so there was probably no way to have both events at once.
@@ZebraMan74the last few years it was on the cbbc channel but one official has said withdrawal was due to what you said “low viewing figures” I’ve even seen some people saying it was foot shooting by the bbc which frankly is nonsense if the viewing figures are too low no point keeping it that to me showed some people will never change always want to kick dirt on the bbc and not forgiven them for 2021. Showing what’s wrong with certain uk Eurovision fans failing to let go of the past.
Liechtenstein may be tiny, but they are one of the richest countries in the world (per capita). So I don’t think money would be a problem, in my opinion it’s more a question of do they have the sheer willpower to actually make it happen. And if they do, they should send Wavvyboi as their first act!
Yeah, I to do not see much sense for Latvia to participate. Even when we send good music performance it isn't choosen for final or we get to little points. Also all thous other reasons is worth considering to, like polarisation, politization, security etc.
All we need is petite female singers in black dresses who sing dramatic, melodic, classic, powerful songs in French. Thus we only need France, Luxemburg, Monaco, Switzerland and Belgium to participate. The other countries could start a separate noisy pop festival if they want to.
I hope to see some countries back in 2025. my biggest hopes are for north macedonia, romania oder montenegro to come back. Hopefully nobody will withdraw.
The problem is that the ESC keep trying to earmark themselves non-political which doesn't make sense when they happily ban Russia from the competition but allow Israel to take part. People are growing weary of that. You've also got a political shifting of public opinion to the right in parts of central and southern Europe which is a particular branch of politics which is, let's say, less sympathetic of the views of the LGBT community which is the community which is most embraced within Eurovision. You could see the public in those countries putting pressure on to withdraw (ditto Netherlands after the farce with that this year). Money is definitely a tricky factor. It does feel like countries go out their way to ensure they don't host it two years in a row
The obscene behaviour does not need to be interpreted. Your nations entry this year Adam was not only offensive to anti-LBTGQ people, but, and I do not know why I have to keep reminding people about this, but to people who do not care about a person's pro nouns or sexual preferences, and their families. Eurovision was created to be a song contest, and a acts sexual preferences, has nothing to do with the performance, unless you shove it down people's throats. Olly Aleksander and who ever created that monstrosity of a staging, was absolutely unaware or maybe they were aware, that this is an event where whole generations of families watch and the oversexualised choreography was not appreciated by 99% of viewers. The writer of the letter in Latvia was correct in saying what they said as Eurovision has allowed the increasing sexuality to enter the contest, which has absolutely increased this century, just watch and compare entries before 2000 to after 2000. It is now hard to see how the EBU can regulate this, which in turn will see a decrease of interest in the contest.
France still hasn't confirmed its participation and it worries me. We've taken part every year since 1983 and we're on a good path so it would be a shame if we didn't come back in 2025.
This will sound evil but if your broadacaster says you aren't competing it's actually good overall. The EBU is unable to ignore a big 5 country threatening to withdraw.(but if the EBU doesn't listen yeah eurovision can burn)
Really, the competition has got far too big, I mean 4 hours of one competition is a lot. I am a big Eurovision fan, but there are too many, and they all sing one language, not very many sing in their language, which was good as you went by the music only and guessed what it was about. We also have tot see, after a certain war going on, as one as two parts could become one. I think Australia should be dropped as no one could afford to go there, also it is EUROvision and not Word vision, and I am Australian saying that. Small Countries will go eventually, the big 5 could become the big 4 because of Brexit, and in all honesty, the Countries that need to fundraise for anything and put Eurovision first has a serious budget problem. Maybe Eurovision will be affected so much that it will no longer be around. What is the point when the loudest screaming song wins these days. No Country has won with a ballad, it all has to be screaming the highest notes. Like I said, I am a fan and have been for years, but even I think that Eurovision only has time left before it goes. Especially if a certain war spills over. Countries that don't come anywhere will eventually stop, and you could end up with 4 major Countries entering, and to put on an extravagant show just for 4 songs would be ridiculous. Countries don't want to wind as it costs too much to put the show on as Ireland found out, and some Countries, if they win, just couldn't afford to put such extravagant shows on.
My guess from what he said: Montenegro joins (38) Netherlands, Latvia & Moldova leave (35) To make it more Bye bye United Kingdom (34) Hello Wales, Scotland & England (37) DONE
Montenegro has participated in the past, but they got stuck in this Chinese lenders scheme which means they don't have money. The Netherlands is almost certainly not going to ESC2025. Ireland, Belgium, Iceland & Norway are also unlikely, because of that country. Wales would LOVE to enter, but the UK will never leave...
Frankly if the EbU doesn’t clear out it’s top brass and address the bullying of artists and the disgraceful treatment of Joost then I hope there are withdrawals because allowing the Israeli bullying of artists and not defending artists from it, then the contest doesn’t deserve to continue.
I wouldn't be too sorry if more countries withdrew. It would be a clear signal to the EBU that how they're managing the contest is not good, and I'd fully agree with that
What the heck happened during Eurovision this year? I keep hearing things but I don't know what happened apart from some people having a problem with Israel.
the Netherlands, who sent a very loved song, was disqualified a few hours before the final for the third year in a row, a country won because of juries/politics. many countries which deserved higher places got extremely low places and some didn't even qualify. they were just ignoring everything about israel, who also got 323 televote points because of politics other stuff such as delegations behaviours, harassment, voting stuff, etc
@@failedaustrianartist Ah, so basically many songs got robbed and politics got in the way again, with some other shady stuff on top of that. I can see why people didn't like it now.
Do you think any of the 37 nations from this year will withdraw in 2025?
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Australia's still got its funding issue, because of that they nearly didn't participate this year. Their NQ might cause a really big issue for their participation.
Honestly, it’s hard to say. I think it depends on the outcome of the investigation that’s ongoing.
🇱🇻, was probably talking bout 🇫🇮
I think the most likely to withdraw are Netherlands and Czechia
The countries I can see potentially withdrawing:
Australia 🇦🇺
Azerbaijan 🇦🇿
Czechia 🇨🇿
Latvia 🇱🇻
Moldova 🇲🇩
Netherlands 🇳🇱
Norway 🇳🇴
San Marino 🇸🇲
Everyone leaves.
Britain still loses.
The sad thing is this is probably true 😂
And every music fan wins!
💪😂🤘
That's a you can't fire me, I quit moment right there.
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Just found out that the Latvian parliament has voted against a petition asking the broadcaster to permanently withdraw and redirect those funds towards sports, thereby clearing the way for a potential participation in 2025
Yeah, that’s the thing with government petitions, it had to be reasonable for it to accepted, as much as people over here felt that “we’re dumping money for nothing” and for some the notion of “it’s all perverted because of outdated values of society” in the end, saeima seemed to decide that it’s not in their power to move that organizational money to sports.
Not to mention, i feel like the petition author forgot that LTV isn’t really raking in funds due to lost ability of showing commercials couple years ago
Just found out too..? that as Freedom the Latvian Return.. YES!
Phew
I'm being real I might be just an idiot but I can't tell if that means latvia may return or not, I hope they do, they're like my favorite Eurovision country
2025 feels like a mess and i have a feeling in 1 year we will be saying ”Did we call 2024 a mess? Then this is a disaster”
yeah.
this is why im not going to watch unless something changes. I CANNOT do that to myself again 😭
And we look back at 2020 thinking "They really cancelled *that* but 2024 onwards went ahead?"
i can see Norway finaly leaving
@@mikaelwallentin.. Norway is officially participating next year
Hi, Adam, a Latvian viewer here, the whole "behave obscenely"part in that petition is more towards the non-binary status of the many artists, we're not entirely anti-LGBT, we've made some improvements to be acceptable, but unfortunately it's still way far away to be completely acceptable, for instance old gens have a hard time accepting Nemo's female style outfit, not to mention, the very first gay pride back in 2000's here wasn't received well with the attendees having to have a security on them.
Thank you for providing context on this!
Honestly I fear that by having such big focus on LGBT things we only "scare away" the countries that are not fully there yet, and hence failing to build acceptance and understanding around the topic
@@987liss yeah, i myself get that whole idea of inclusivity, but it's just sometimes served a bit tonedeaf by EBU. Tho, Adam, yeah, it's that bad with our biathlon scene, our sportscaster usually calls the winters "biathlon kitchen" becuz financial issues despite our great performance never seems to end.
that's such a shame because the song they won with in 2002 kind of had LGBTQ themes and the guy that literally broke their NQ streak absolutely loves Nemo and seems very accepting in general.
@@987liss I don't know what you are talking about. I know LGBT-people the last fifty years or so. The T was for travesty and maybe drag queens. But most people in this community are very normal, ordinary people and a lot of them hate pride-manifestations. They told me many times as I was there or when I was in the city when a pride-manifestation happened. So I can't see how Eurovision has anything to do with acceptance or building bridges. Gay people and trans people have the same rights as hetero people in most European countries.
One of my favourite things about Eurovision is discovering artists from outside the Anglosphere. If you look at who wins Best International in the Brit Awards, you'll find it's dominated by American artists and the few non Americans who do win it tend to be from other Anglosphere countries.
As a Canadian, I'm glad I follow ESC every year. It gives me the chance to discover new artists and new music that I can't find here
Problems include:
1. Casual viewers aren't interested when their countries go out in the semi-finals.
2. Smaller nations can't compete with the larger ones on staging due to cost.
3. Too many entrantsls since the fall of the Berlin wall. Forty-odd countries, means on average a country will win it once every forty-odd years and probably only finish in the top five, once every eight years or so. You may not live long enough to see your country win it again 😮.
4. Due to various online polls on the run-up etc. everyone knows who will win before the contest starts.
5. It's become 'too' cheesy.
6. Controversial but factual; it's not very diverse (too LGBTQ+ centric/too white/not enough variation in genres) compared to the music industry in general.
7. Who had the bright idea to allow voting before all songs are performed? Do any other contests allow that?
8. Viewers don't like the idea of the larger countries getting in the final when smaller ones need to qualify.
9. Over political voting.
10. It drags on for far too long for the casual viewer.
I agree with most of your point but I don't really see the issue with 3. We're comparing it with other contests in the other points but 40 something really isn't stretching it when we compare it to other international competitions.
the issue with number 3 may have to do with number 2: the big countries are competing for the same grand final spots as the small nations. and with only 10 available spots on each semi, the big countries with the big budgets tend to qualify more than the small ones, because they have the resources to put on a better show. compare the stagings and qualification rates of countries like sweden or greece and countries like san marino or north macedonia
I agree with 1, 2, 4, 5, 8 and 9. Not sure I agree with 10. 3 seems a bit harsh as others have mentioned. I don't agree with 7... I thought that was a good change as it is put into place to get rid of the whole "we want to perform between #18 and #22" business.
In regards to 6, I get where you are coming from. There does seem to be a trend now where countries are falling over each other to make their act LGBT friendly. I'm almost convinced that's how we ended up getting 0 points from the public this year. I do however think there is some variety there at least in terms of the music. I always love to see the quirky instruments/different genres which spawn out every year, Also "too white" seems a bit harsh. Most of Europe is white... there's no real getting away from that.
It will still be near enough the same amount of entries in the grand final, which is really the only one casual viewers watch and even in the semi finals it will not be very noticeable that there are more countries seeing as it is split up into 2 sections
Number 7 was actually not an issue back then after 2011, but they bringed it up again in 2024
It got too toxic. The toxic people themselves ofc won't admit that they are part of the problem, because they live in the belief tha they have the right to act like a piece of sh*t if things don't go their way 🤢
Absolutely no one should hate Eurovision, nor should they order the EBU to announce that an upcoming season of the long-running reality competition will be the last prior to the finale of a current season.
totally agree, those who start to protest against Isreal in a competition about fucking music was dumb! and the unnecessary hate for girl in the age of 20
@@mayaha200 poor one singular girl who openly mocked countless genocided civilians she clearly hated 😢
@@mayaha200 that girl is a Ukrainian traitor who sung for Putin’s troops and has violated the Ukrainian law by entering the Russian occupied areas of Ukraine and singing for war criminal, she not innocent and knew exactly what she was doing. Add to that she was willing to sing a highly political song while pretending her entry is non political and I can’t see how a neutral person wouldn’t see her as a tool of putin and Israeli government and not some innocent “girl”!she an adult.
@@HOPEfullBoi01 and a Putin supporting Ukrainian traitor
i dont hope norway is going to quit next year. im from norway and i love eurovision and mgp!! :D we did get last place this year, but in 2023 we got a rlly good place!
your guyses song was great this year, i have no idea why it came so low
It was my favorite song this year personally
If that country hadn't participated this year & hadn't manipulated the televote, people would've been more free to vote where they wanted & all those points wouldn't have been that concentrated at the top. Then Gate would've got more votes.
As a Dutchy i didn't vote this year, didn't want to give the EBU money. Ulverham would've got points.
Last place was not deserved, the song was good, my god her voice is incredible, and your language is beautiful.
@@sr28774 yeah, norway should have been in top 15!
I NEVER want any countries to withdraw!
Sadly it's not the reality countries are cash strapped and some are using the contest for government propaganda and also bullying other artists and censoring them. The first one you can't do anything about and the later means if you don't kick them you're creating a rod for your own back as you're going to have trouble attracting artists.
I want Joost back into the finals!! We can't always get what we want!
Would be fire 🔥 if Israel 🇮🇱 left tho
@@I_lovecatswithmywholeheartnope, and cry more 🇮🇱💙
@@triola3983They ruined esc by harassing most of the countries that enterd
If my 3 most favourite countries will leave in one time, I'll never watch Eurovision again! 🇳🇱❤️🇱🇻🇳🇴
And yet they won't ditch the one they should.
If you follow the rules, you get to participate. Tough reality for racists like you.
They shouldn't ditch anybody.
Russia hasn’t been in for years
@@keithw9290this one country participating ruined the 2024 season and turned it to a 💩show, so yes it should be removed + it's in the same situation as Russia was when Russia was expelled
they really should. or else switzerland won't be a safe place either.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Joost and The Netherlands backed out of Eurovision 2025. They unfairly disqualified him.
No they didn’t he did what he did and got punished
@@edisonarce3777 he did what he did but still got too harsh of a punishment for something that was barely and issue (told someone VERBALLY to stop filming him and getting punished for that?? like can you not say no or defend yourself?)
@@edisonarce3777 He did what he did, which is?
@@edisonarce3777 which was what genius
Information about Latvia, common sense prevailed yesterday evening in parliament and withdrawal from eurovision was voted against so I as far as I understand they will participate
Really? Disappointed 😛
The problem is, we can't keep politics away from the contest (not that sports are any less politicized right now). Belarus was banned for supposedly sending a political song in 2021 (but Ukraine did that twice if not thrice and that wasn't a problem), Russia was banned for invading Ukraine (but Turkey was never banned for invading Northern Cyprus, nor was France ever banned for the Algerian War), we also keep hearing how Eurovision's values are democracy, etc., but the same contest had no problem accepting Spain under Francisco Franco, Portugal under Salazar, Greece under the miitary junta, Turkey under military coupists, Yugoslavia under Tito, etc. (and still today has no problems accepting eg. Azerbaijan under Aliyev, go figure). The change happened after 1991 when Yugoslavia was suddenly banned because of the Balkan wars (but Croatia, who also claimed a part of BiH - the Croatian Republic of Herzeg-Bosnia - and who committed such "nice" things as Operation: Storm in 1995 with which they ethnically cleansed Vojna Krajina of Serbs, was never banned), it's almost like after the end of the cold war, some form of arrogance took over the West, causing it to become very tribal and authoritarian.
Sure, let's ban Israel. But then, let's be contest, and also ban Turkey for occupying Northern Cyprus, any NATO member state who has troops anywhere in Africa, Syria, Iraq, etc., And of the remainder, half can easily banned for the same reason as Belarus, ie. sending political songs. We're quickly going to be left with an Eurovision in which only one or two countries participate. Is that really what we want?
Bases on this logic then there will be no countries competing in eurovision anymore. Eurovision was MADE because of politics🙃🙃🙃
Also political lyrics in the songs were FROM THE START banned, so Belarus was rightfully banned, Greece and Turkey were both fined in the past for political lyrics. Israel's song was literally october rain(if you can't get what this means then you are really living under a rock) but instead of saying october rain she said hurricane, and all the drama and harrassement Israel deserves expulsion like russia did. And yes it is hypocrisy that Ukraine can still compete with political songs but Ukraine as least isn't breaking any other rules
And one last thing, I'm greek and we debuted in 1974 AFTER the junta fell, we never participated under the junta
ukraine even won with political song in 2016, it gives me „hurricane” vibes for some reason (same shit, whining about their problems in their country)
@@sodiumchloridr and there were people back then too(me included) who hated that win(i wanted Australia to win)
Zanimljivo je kako si spomenuo Hrvatsku, ali si zaboravio spomeniti Srbiju koja je pocela sve ratove u ex-yu. Dzaba ti engleski jasno je otkud si. Pozdrav svim normalnim ljudima u Srbiji, znam ih dosta, ali vi vucicevi sendvicari ste stvarno posebna sorta.
@@sodiumchloridrtry again. 1944 was about, guess what, events in 1944, not current events.
I see that one Latvian already explained the context, however, I want to add a bit more:
There’s quite many initiatives that collect 10k signatures and get looked at in the Saeima, however, most
of them do not get passed. In addition to this, our current government is quite progressive, and for the first time we have a Left-view government, so this might help the cause of the initiative to not reach further stages
Paldies. Really appreciated the help.
And yeah, i missed a lot of parts in the explanation, but didn't wanted to turn my comment into an essay, so i just went with the most surface level explanation.
Strange you didn’t mention Monaco, considering their development towards participating.
I did forget for shame 😭 hope they return in the near future!
This video is full of errors, one more one less...
I hope they don't participate
They'll not even european
We need european countries
Not Asian I esc
What do you mean??? Monaco is a landlocked country in France, they're in Europe and speak French! @@Darko_Milosevski03
@@Darko_Milosevski03 huh... monaco is in europe..? what are you talking about
As a Croatian, I hope Croatia withdrews. Let's be real, we achieved the best result possible as an independent country, won as Yugoslavia, ESC was already in Zagreb - we had it all. Let's spare the money and let the freak show tank itself.
Could it be like 1970 where a good cluster* of countries drop out due to what happened the previous year, then rejoin the following year? Given, 1969 had a different main reason for controversy, but it lead to a lasting impact with big rule changes (new voting format, more performers on stage, etc.). If the EBU does not make any big moves this year, I get the feeling 2025 will be noticeably smaller, before jumping back up in 2026 (assuming the dip scares the EBU into making big changes).
*Long story short for 1970, 1969 had a 4-way tie. All the Scandinavian countries + Portugal (they placed pretty poorly) boycotted 1970 as a result, but then they returned in 1971.
I feel like a lot of countries could withdraw, since this has been by far one of the most chaotic ESC editions so far, but I hope that as you said they return the following year.
Also nice pfp lol.
@@Ivory-_-fox Yeah, I hope that if withdrawals are made, they’re only temporary.
(And thanks! ☺️)
Liechtenstein is not im financial debt. They are tiny but filthy rich.
Switzerland's Switzerland. I really didn't get what he was trying to say other than that he may be misinformed...
I think Monaco might return
Bosnia Herzegovina 1999 was one of my favourites. I love Moldova 😂. They always are up for a laugh. That's real dedication for the musicians to be funding themselves knowing that they are unlikely to win but at least they are memorable
I hope Netherlands decide to stay out in 2025. The Contest have turn out in a freak show, don't like it anymore. 🇳🇱
Dat is waar
Could you specify regarding what you mean by ‘freak show?’
@@AW-EV-and-FTMHow about a mentally disturbed man in a dress on a microwave plate screaming like somebody crushed his balls, how about goth girl performing exorcism, that porn from Spain maybe?;Kids watch Eurovision too, there needs to a code, like, ok, you can't do that on stage.
I don't think they'll do it in 2025, but I wouldn't be surprised if Norway decides one year to take a break. For as much as we Brits complain about always being last or almost-last (it got me how the news focused on Olly Alexander getting nil points from the televote, despite at least getting 46 points from the jury), Norway have quite a history with the bottom of the leaderboard.
They've only NQ'd three times, but been last in the final a record 11 times including four nil points. In all fairness to them, they have also won the contest three times. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if someone from the Norwegian broadcasters says "Guys… why do we keep doing this to ourselves?"
No thanks. Norway need to stay in. I still have Spirit in the Sky and Queen of Kings on my playlist. Both those deserved to win. In fact I think if Alessandra had participated this year then she may well have won given the dearth of quality in this year's competition compared to last year's (when any one of five could've won).
@@Matthew-bu7fg Oh yeah, I want Norway to stick around as well. "Spirit in the Sky" is also one of my favs, among the crowd-pleasing "Fairytale", the criminally underrated "It's Just a Game" and the ironically brilliant "Mil Etter Mil". I'm just saying that if Norway do ever decide to skip a year based on their track record for coming last, I'd understand.
San Marino and Czechia were so good this year, a shame they didnt make it to the finals, but there were alot of great songs this year as well.
One European country i want in eyrovision is:
Vatican City,they would get my vote
Chanting Gregorian chants??
Id like to see them but who would represent them? The pope singing thy kingdom come with priests as backing vocals XD
They could send Judas Priest
Not "amount of countries" - should be "number of countries".
(Interesting as always though.)
Melodifestivalen news, from next year onwards, all the songs in it’s entirety for each semifinal will be released on friday instead of after the last semifinal, thus mean no sneek peak.
eurovsion 2025 will HOPEFULLY be much better than 2024. Eurovison 2024 was completely awful.
Sweden decided to host Eurovision 2024 in the Lebanon of Europe. Anyone surprised at Europe’s longest hatred going on outside has really not been paying attention.
Malmo was only chosen because it had the facilities available for the dates they picked. It was long before October 7th happened.
@@harrietamidala1691 You have not understood the point.
@@harrietamidala1691 They were pretty much the default. Gothenburg's Scandinavium was being demolished and rebuilt, in Stockholm Avicii Arena (Globen) was undergoing renovations, Tele2 was taken by football and Friends Arena was booked by Taylor Swift
@@WeShallOvercome_ We fully understand that you're racist.
@@LeafHuntress 😂 Come on, surely you can do better than that 😂
Great video! What do you think would happen if the big 5 made their participation contingent on "necessary changes"? Are they legally obliged to finance the next ESC? Could they splinter off and organise their own competition? The heady days of 43 participating countries seems so remote now. I can understand if countries decide to withdraw in the current economic climate, but would hate to see anyone leave. Totally agree that if it wasn't for Eurovision, I wouldn't have discovered some brilliant, new and established "mainland" European artists. PS shout out to Dons - seems like a great guy.
Some people abroad claimed, that Finland will participate, because YLE declared it was searching participants to the UMK. They didn't spot something more nuanced. A year ago, they declared, they were searching participants to the UMK _and_ to represent Finland in the Eurovision. This time they didn't mention the Eurovision. So maybe there will be UMK 2025, but that doesn't mean, that Finland will participate to ESC.
They did state in the terms and conditions (or whatever) that the UMK winner goes to Eurovision.
@@StarTheTripleDevil are tiu sure? Because i can clearly remember, that last year, when they started to search successor for Käärijä, they said they were searching a representaatio to the ESC. This year they didn't say that.
@@patrickuotinen I guess this year, they just don't want to draw as much attention to Eurovision due to its more negative reputation compared to last year. But the thing in the terms and conditions is still the same thing that they had in previous years, and there were still some UMK participants who said that they wouldn't participate (or at least Jesse Markin did while others were still hesitant) so idk how strict that rule really is.
@@StarTheTripleDevil well, we'll see what will happen.
I think Moldova will do everything in their power to continue to be in Eurovision (which is probably part of the reason they often have returning artists who are probably more well off than newer artists). They're kind of in a sensitive/tense situation regarding Russia, wanna be in the EU, etc and Eurovision is probably the only platform where they can use soft power effectively (and let's be real, a lot of the general public in the west doesn't know anything about Moldova aside from Eurovision). Worst case scenario is they axe the national final (and internally select someone with money) and we won't get to see another Tudor Bumbac banger.
the EBU will probably keep Kosovo in their back pocket for 2025 if they need an additional country. I'm not fully sure if they'll actually end up participating right away since it's a weird situation but it could very well happen sooner rather than later.
Kosovo is a very complicated situation, and considering this could lead to protests from Serbia and lock Bosnia and Herzegovina out of the contest( +cause concern on countries like Greece and Spain who don't recognize Kosovo) they'll at least for 2025 keep Kosovo out of the contest to keep as many countries as possible within. Bringing Kosovo with such risk into 2025 after 2024 was a 💩show and everyone is just about ready to call quits, Kosovo is best kept out for 2025 and considered for real in 2026 if 2025 goes smoothly
@@andreaslefteri3661 Don't think it's a coincidence that Kosovo wants to compete in 2025 - the contest is going to be held in Switzerland, where there's a significant Kosovar diaspora. Most of the footballers on the Swiss national team in Euro 2024 are with Kosovar roots.
As a Latvian i hope that my country leaves this competition and redirects the money to more useful sectors, such as sports and local culture preserve.
No! The Eurovision family of events is very important to Latvia.
Here's my idea. We have a competing song contest and we call it the EU song contest. Only members in the EU or former members can enter. Only real live instruments are allowed when performing and strictly no studio gimmicks like autotune or electronic synth beats, this will be a disqualification. Just raw, musical talent allowed.
Sounds like Eurovision from the 70s. I love it!
And no unfunny, loud, wanna-be comedians as hosts who think they are bigger than the acts themselves!
Everyone talks about the contest being political because of the Palestine situation, but why no one thinks that pushing LGBT statements also falls in the political category? Do you think that countries have withdrawn just because of financial hardship? Eurovision’s peak to me was the early 2000s when it was more about sharing your country’s culture. Particularly in the songs, but you could also see that even in the interval acts. What do we have in the interval acts right now? Drag queens, hosts singing about stuff that the majority of people don’t get, some local singers that no one’s ever herd about and some clips of “Eurovision history” which honestly make me vomit because they are featured every single year. Eurovision has become an event to a particular audiance. And 20 years ago it used to be for everyone. Do you still think it’s a family show? I sure think not. So downscale the contest and make it for everyone again and you’ll see more countries coming back.
Hiya Ortan - you've said your piece now kindly push off.
The first LGBT song to win was in 1961.
The first interval drag queen act was in 1973.
The late 90s early 2000s is seen as the peak gay camp Eurovision era.
Kindly take your bigotry elsewhere.
@@LeafHuntress First drag performers 1986 Norway unless you count Greece dressing up as Charlie Chaplin. First singing drag queens 2002 just reinforcing your points.
I think the Netherland should leave eurovision in 2025
They do
No! The Eurovision Song Contest and other EBU events are very important to the Netherlands.
@@UgolinoV42346I wouldn't come back next year if I were them. It's too much bad blood and too much preferential treatment.
But Joost wants revenge in 2025! 😉
@@QFredfons Oh definitely. When I hear about revenge and crap like that I'm losing my shit. Joost's name and reputation was ruined and dragged through mud WITHOUT ANY ACTUAL PROOF and they will go back? That would be the worst mistake.
We've always had an 'odd' way of picking entries in Australia. For a few years, one of the record labels (Sony I think) was allowed to choose who was sent and they really only sent ex reality TV singers from shows like Australian Idol. Those singers don't have big careers behind them and are always a bit obscure. After that, a 'mini-Eurovision' was held to pick an entry and it worked pretty well. Now it appears that SBS (the government TV station that has broadcast Eurovision for 30 years) is just picking the entry with no public consultation. The entry they chose this year was a very 'politically correct' one who most Australians had never heard of. No one was surprised when they didn't make the grand finale, and a lot of people thought the act was just 'cringe'. The contest has been incredibly popular here for decades, but no one would be surprised if an announcement was made that we were not going to continue participating.
I don’t think Electric Fields was a bad choice…. 2000 and Whatever has consistently been voted one of the fandom’s favourite non-qualifiers in history. The problem was the song they chose - One Mikali is great for radio, but a terrible choice for the Eurovision stage. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we pull out, and after 2024’s dramas I’d be OK with it.
Norway intends to participate in 2025, being dependent on how the EBU plans to tackle polarisation, politics and security concerns.
They're basically asking the EBU to tread a minefield, try to disarm all mines and come out of it unscathed. The Eurovision Song Contest has been political for as long as I can remember, and is used as a way for countries to showcase their culture, but also to demonstrate their indignations about societal issues through art and music.
Regional rivalries between countries will always flare up this time of year, and for as long as Israel is an EBU member, you can count on having people protesting their participation and their membership because of the Palestine genocide.
In my view, as much as the EBU tries to downplay (and even censor out) the political aspect of the contest, they'll never be able to fully control it.
The Netherlands needs to come back. JOOSTICE WILL BE SERVED.
Only if EBU come begging on their knees and offer excuses to Joost on television.
Netherlands must skip Eurovision 2025
As a Slovak, I am sad to see the lack of entries or willingness from my country. However, now on the 1st of July, the original free broadcaster was disbanded and replaced by a new one, similarly to how it was in Hungary, so I'm very doubtul we'll be taking part in this any time soon.
The number of nations taking part has largely increased due to allowing Australia to take part and Yugoslavia splitting up its republics - even the former Czechoslovakia is now two separate countries - on at least one occasion, Corsica has been known to take part and even Malta has done it a few times - if it goes much further, we will have England, Northern Ireland,Scotland and Wales wanting to take part - even the tiny islands that are off the coasts!
Corsica? You mean Morocco, right?
Yeah, Corsica has never took part in Eurovision. It's a part of France
Malta is a sovereign nation and has been for 62 years, and has a population greater than Iceland and on par with Montenegro, so I don’t see how that’s a shocker.
It cost a lot of money to host, as to take part. But it also draw a good audience in most countries. So, I wouldn't think its existence is in danger.
As someone who was in The Netherlands in the lead-up to and durring Eurovision 2024,
Most people would genuinely be surprised if AVROTROS doesn't drop the competition.
They've spoken out against the EBU during the show itself
Albeit in corporate speak as to not breach contract.
And have implied to fundamentally disagree with multiple decisions made by the EBU,
Not just Joost's disqualification.
Tho due to legal issues they cannot address those issues publicly.
So while they've hinted at their stance on Israel's participation and similar topics they aren't allowed to address,
If they ever confirm these they are 100% not joining in 2025.
I think Australia could drop out due to lack of funding from the broadcaster.
Hasn’t the novelty worn off now of Australia participating?
@@Redsleather Eurovision is the most watched program for the broadcaster for the entire year.
As a Norwegian: Yes, it's all about Israel. Israel's participation has generally been quite unliked by large sections of the Norwegian public, before mostly as discontent grumbling, but for obvious reasons it reached a boiling point this year. In addition to all the other obvious reasons many Norwegians also have some personal animosity towards the Israeli government for feeling like we were treated by them as stooges during the Oslo accords on account of how Israel behaved towards Palestine afterwards. Israel's participation, and the ESC-department at NRK seeming defense of ESC including them, was met with heavy local opposition and protest this year and most of the artists in Norway's local competition was against it. I don't remember if it was Gåte themselves or Gothminister, but one of them said something along the lines of "if not for reasons of morality or consistency [the latter in reference to Russia being banned] then they should be banned for no other reason than basic safety concerns". So the comment quoted in the video seems an echo of this statement. The Israeli government also seeming (I haven't looked into it personally yet) spending a lot of money on a voting campaign for their artist, basically buying votes for political validation, has only strengthened the animosity towards ESC allowing them to compete.
Gåte, a darling of the local folk-rock scene, coming last this year probably didn't help, but probably didn't make a big difference either, if Norway cared much about coming last we wouldn't have kept sending Jahn Teigen so many times (may he rest in peace) or made "Mil etter mil" not only his biggest hit, but also one of, if not the, song most associated ESC/MGP over here.
Safety concerns? Please
Perhaps it is usual practice in Norway to give in to demands made by huligans who use cultural events for low quality political properganda, but it should not be. I believe what enraged you the most was Israel's ability to put a solid enough product on stage to win over the crowds in the popular vote, where it finished second despite the surrounding cacophony, which was nothing more than low-end farce.
It's unfortunate if what you say about Norwegian public sentiment seeing themselves as stooges for hosting the Oslo Accords is correct; nevertheless, if former US President Bill Clinton is regarded as credible enough in your and the Norwegian public's opinion, I believe you're are all pointing the finger in the wrong direction. According to Clinton, as he clearly states in his memoirs, it was former PLO leader Yassar Arafat, who refused to sign on the signed line and settle for peace despite garnering recognition and a Nobel Peace Prize.
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@@politefan8141 That's not very polite.
Don't lose your breath, Becky..
Many of these issues would be solved if morroccan oil would stop being the main sponsor of EBU...
Love Moroccan oil
Certainly I'll no longer be watching. I've watched since 1995, but it really feels like the show is aimed at a certain group of people, of which I am not a member. So many performances and the whole set-up is not about "fun" or "camp", it's just about "the message" - and that "message" is different, as it should be, but it's meant to be a SONG contest, not about a message, or a "performance" or being contraversial. So yeah, I'm not watching next year.
i bet Bulgaria will be back in 2025
Honestly after the pretty bad show this year I don't blame them.
( sorry for a long comment ) Another Latvian viewer here, i love eurovision a lot, i found out about my favorite artist because of eurovision (hatari), and i would have hated it if the parliament would have withdrew, thankfully they didnt ( at least i think ?) but to be fair, nearly nobody i know watches eurovision, maybe my parents will tune in or something, but mostly nobody really cares as much as i hate to say it. Also what doesn't help is that a lot of the population is against lgbt, which is really sad, especially when you consider eurovision an lgbt safe haven. So that comment about people behaving "obscenely" is unfortunately, most-likely directed to that specific group of people :( But also as someone who enjoys sports, especially basketball and ice hockey, i really hope they get the proper funding they require. It is a very sticky situation, and i'm actually glad that someone is speaking about the neglect of funding sporting communities and all that, even if i disagree with almost everything else he said. Lastly i just wish that eurovision became more of a bonding experience for europe, and ebu as a whole, not just some contest. Currently the ebu is on thin ice judging by public response to how they treated the entire joost situation so i just really hope that everything improves.
I'm glad the Saiema voted against the idea of withdrawing, but I think had Dons NQ'ed they would have voted for it
Same, im partly latvian myself and I wouldnt want to see them withdraw because whenever I watch eurovision I have 2 countries to get hyped about (Ireland & Latvia) so I hope everything goes ok and Latvia returns to Eurovision 2025 in probably Zürich
well, thankfully, it's confirmed that parliament declined that petition as luckily the author failed to provide any substantial evidence and even sports fans were like "good comedy show, seriously let the parliament figure that one themselves instead of you making yourself into an idiot with an naive notion of magical fix" but yeah, glad that you can confirm the issue with our LGBT rights. But i'm with you, as someone who loooves football, basketball, hockey, F1, heck even some baseball and american football or sports in general, i also love to see that our sports federations get the proper funding to invest, but this petition ain't it, chief. The author unfortunately was under a poor notion that 400k euros "will be enough to build a great sports youth programmes" not to mention that i bet the author didn't consider that LTV as the broadcaster doesn't earn money as it is, they left the commercials market 3 years ago.
@@ZebraMan74 well, the fact that we failed to qualify 7 times before it really suggests that, not really, they would've stuck around as it is as it still generated a good amount of ratings (LTV themselves confirmed that around 200 thousand viewers watched "Supernova" and there were 55,000 voting for other countries) Yes, it's not even near half of the population, but it's still top 5-10 most viewed broadcasts with LTV.
I think fewer countries will be good for the contest. It's got too big, and that is what has led to some of the problems we had this year. It's also too long. SVT's announced plans to cut time amounted to nothing. Let's have seven qualifiers from each semi and a 20 song final and get it done with in three hours.
This will be the time for the EBU to do whatever it takes to prevent a potential mass exodus of countries for variety of reasons that had been built up not just this year (though 2024 may've accellerated some issues) - for example the voting system. If the EBU is not willing to change and just keeps the contest chugging along with the current format, then what is the incentive for countries to continue? Why countries like Bulgaria or Czechia will bother sending out entries every year when the interest there is miniscule and they'll have a chance at win only once in 10 years? And most importantly if the EBU doesn't want to change it could risk threatening the integrity of the Eurovision Song Contest (their golden goose so to speak) by alienating big and important players like Norway and the Netherlands. And keep in mind that Italy was absent for over a decade and for them the Sanremo Music Festival is far more important and would care less if Italy is not at the Eurovision Song Contest. Türkiye (formerly known as Turkey) has last competed in 2012 and they hadn't competed since for a boatload of reasons (the LGBTQ+ stance of the Turkish government notwithstanding).
I think some form of a 'fund' by the EBU to support smaller nations, participating in the contest could be a good start and will ensure countries like Moldova will stay for the long run. Sure, artists are able to cover the costs, but even that takes its toll on them as well and that 'fund' will be of great help. But after the kerfuffle that was the 2024 edition I sincirely doubt that most of the top ranked officials will remain in their roles for much longer - which is maybe the thing NRK and AVROTROS want to see before making a decision. I sincirely don't see a scenario in which Martin Österdahl remains as executive supervisor of the ESC - sure, not all of the decisions were made by him, but he's essentially the gatekeeper of the ESC and many will point the finger at him anyway. Perhaps this role should be selected by the host broadcaster - say in 2025 SRG SSR (the Swiss national broadcaster) is picking the executive supervisior. But then again, most imprtantly, the EBU also needs to be more transparent.
I think you make a top notch content that I've enjoyed a lot (like the three major ITV strikes and the history of colour television in various countries) and I'm looking forward to more deep dives on older Eurovision contests, because I like your analysis on the 1963 contest and how it was back in the old days. Keep the good work going.
I want Turkey to come back in the future.
I woud personalny add Poland becose TVP is in liquidacion and the fee might be to big
so am an latvian, and what i can say is that i support us leaving the eurovision, as stated from the eurovision we don't get a lot of PR also we aren't the richest nation, so participating do eat up are fonds, but the biggest thing is the state of eurovision, first in eurovision there are spread a lot of sentiments that a lot of latvians don't agree, its usually the lgbt stuff which the older population dislike and stuff like isreal participating which the younger population don't like, also the way how eurovision was run this year also have made a sower taste.
I think a lot of countries don’t want to win because it’s so expensive to host if you do. I suspect this explains some of the acts Ireland has sent, including Jedward and the poultry one.
Well, Ireland actually hosted the Eurovision contest a lot during the 90s because they constantly kept winning it, so that probably led to a series of poor quality act to keep them from winning again, although I wonder if they’ll have motivation to try to get their eighth victory after Sweden one last year and getting their first top 10 result in a long time
But I believe it's still beneficial, like people from all Europe (and not only) spend their money in your country for some time and btw Eurovision has the contest's biggest financial contributors known as the "Big Five"-France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom. I'm not sure about what costs they cover, but I believe they are quite significant since these countries always have places in the Grand Final, they don't need to qualify there because of their donations
And those two priests back in the 90s.
@@DukeOfKidderminster I understood that reference. * my lovely horse*
The way none are leaving
I've always wondered about Australia's participation. It seems like a case of diminishing returns, and I wonder what they're getting out of it at this stage.
Worst case scenario, we go back to having only one semi-final and more automatic qualifiers. And maybe that way the contest would become more affordable for the countries still participating.
Another issue is the Jury/Public vote. Over the last 5 years, Norway has suffered a couple of times so this also could be a reason why they want change. I remember them being vocal on this in 2023. I do feel that the Juries have a place in Eurovision but not 50% of the votes
I believe that juries should defend their results to the public with reasoning so it isn’t just an opinion
So, 2 Months later taht doesn't look that bad any more. I think we got 36 nations guaranted for next year. For now, 8 nations didn't mention anything on a participation, those are Estonia, Ukraine, Moldova, Australia, Georgia, Armenia, Greece and Poland. And I don't think any of them will withdraw, only Moldova, Australia and Poland didn't qualify this year, but in general they are not really bad at eurovision and all qualified last year. Not participating countrys next year are Bosnia, Slovakia and Andorra, as well as Liechtenstein and Kosovo not debuting next year. Out of all participants 2024, the Netherlands and Czechia are the most interesting ones and they are the most likely ones to withdraw. All the other nations participating this year are also participating next year, except Albania, Iceland and Ireland, which haven't finally decided yet. Albania is somehow very complicated, some say that they already decided to 100% participate, I say they didn't decide yet, but they will be there 99%. So far as I know, Albania just started directly after ESC 2024 was over, to prepare for their next national final. Ireland mentioned that they will finally do a own national final show outside of their late late show and Iceland mentioned to do some changes on their format of national final, to do a bit better next year. So I think it's very likely to see all of them again next year. All countrys I didn't talk about are participating next year. But now let's go on with that ones that didn't participate this year. First, Montenegro IS coming back with a national final, while Bulgaria didn't mention a lot of a statement, but they will decide in September. Of the others I didn't get many informations. What I heard is, that Monaco mabye comes back after a long time. The others are standing in the stars right now, so we have to wait and be optimistic. And hey, mabye Marokko surprises everyone and comes back, noone knows. Or we got a Debut of Kazakstan. Or mabye Israel gets disqualified and we get Tunesia and Lebanon to debut
Honestly good for Latvia, if they want to rather spend money on other things that are more important to them, all the power to them
Return To.. Latvia Is Back YES-EBU Members coming last this year..?
The Netherlands is most likely not participating in 2025.
That's up to the EBU _and_ AVROTROS_ to decide, not you.
@@UgolinoV42346 weird answer 🤔
As a czech, Im genuinely going to tweak if Czechia withdraws.
You forgot to talk about countries such as Iceland and Turkey who have been vocal about the contest
No don't leave San Marino 😢🇸🇲
I love Eurovision and it would be a shame if countries leave it. But cant it be less gay, less over the top, because this year was too much, even for a gay man like me 😂😂
It was the UK right?, that bathroom was too much 😂
@@rebecamendez5456 😂😂😂 I was embarrassed that we said him this year, we should stop sending “popular” people that are rubbish at singing, the only person, that worked was Sam. We should do what other countries do and hold a small singing contest, to see what the uk public wants.
It wasn't just the UK, I believe Finland and Spain, went too far and Finland wasn't funny, just disgusting. I don't mind people showing their sexualities or gender, like how Nemo did it. But the Spanish dancers, wearing the clothes that they had, showed so much that it made not only me, but my family and friends to be uncomfortable and the Finland singer was dressed, well his 'outfit' had a malfunction, and something slipped.
@@delboy292 lol I get you, I also disliked Spain because the song itself was weak too, Oli at least had a better voice but his song just didn't work, both were overly sexual for my taste.
For Finland I have a soft spot, maybe because it was less about sexuality and more about having fun/being cartoonish, and I'm used to that kind of comedy.
Hope the UK has another Sam soon, because you guys are really talented, actually i'd like to see the bottom countries making a come back (poor Germany) or another country different from the usual ones to win next year or the years to come.
@@rebecamendez5456 i totally agree
Well, I am latvian.
And I don't agree with this petition. Yes, maybe we didn't get to finals for 6 or 7 years, but in my opinion, that doesn't matter. It's about showing yourself, getting good friends and contacts, and representing the country.
So I am still team Latvia and can't wait for next year. 🎉
Latvian parliament voted to ignore this initiative as it is the choice of our public broadcaster LTV, which most likely won't leave ESC as it's one of the most watched shows
Is there any news about Australian entry.
Latvia has been in Eurovision since 2000, so it would be quite weird to do that. As a citizen I want Latvia to be in Eurovision.
In my opinion, every country that can't accept this as an apolitical contest shouldn't participate. Serbia shouldn't be part of it if they have a problem with Kosovo, nor Norway if they are against Israel's participation. If you can't put politics aside in the Eurovision (at least officially) then stay out of the contest. Eurovision is a song contest that is about "united by music", It's not a football game!
Maybe if Israel can't cope with Palestinian art including around of one bloke where that's his heritage they should piss off instead of Norway I'd miss them less.
@@EmoBearRights The Muslim culture is an integral part of Israel's society. The amount of Arabs living in Israel as citizens is larger than the number of Jews living all over Europe altogether. So who you claim can't cope with the art of whom exactly?
@@DavidSH1953 Well said. I'm amazed by the ignorance of all these blind haters every time I see It. While about 20% of the people living in Israel are Arabs/Palestinians, the Jewish communities around Europe are deteriorating more and more over the years. And, it's not just the number of Muslims in Israel..: Many of the Jewish people originate from Eastern countries, including countries that are enemies by definition to Israel like Syria, Iraq, and Iran. So you can also include the cultures of those countries as part of the Israeli culture.
@@adirshimshon9965the main issue is Israel is killing children. Before you say, well Hamas is too. Well Hamas is a terrorist organisation, does that mean that the IDF - the official Israeli militia - is also a terrorist organisation because they commit the same crimes?
EUROVISION is to unite us all.
Let's just make ' good' music 🎶 🎵
And We’ve just withdrawn from junior Eurovision!
Bizarre that, I think it's due to low viewing figures and actually got nothing to do with our results in 22 and 23
@@ZebraMan74 I think the reason for the withdrawal is more likely due to a scheduling clash of having junior Eurovision 2024 on a Saturday instead of a sunday. The biggest TV show ratings hit is strictly come dancing and that airs around that time so there was probably no way to have both events at once.
@@harrietamidala1691 They could have had one on BBC One, and moved the other to BBC Two, Three or Four
@@ZebraMan74the last few years it was on the cbbc channel but one official has said withdrawal was due to what you said “low viewing figures” I’ve even seen some people saying it was foot shooting by the bbc which frankly is nonsense if the viewing figures are too low no point keeping it that to me showed some people will never change always want to kick dirt on the bbc and not forgiven them for 2021. Showing what’s wrong with certain uk Eurovision fans failing to let go of the past.
Liechtenstein may be tiny, but they are one of the richest countries in the world (per capita). So I don’t think money would be a problem, in my opinion it’s more a question of do they have the sheer willpower to actually make it happen. And if they do, they should send Wavvyboi as their first act!
Yeah, I to do not see much sense for Latvia to participate. Even when we send good music performance it isn't choosen for final or we get to little points. Also all thous other reasons is worth considering to, like polarisation, politization, security etc.
I wouldn't mind if Belgium didn't participate next year. We could use the money for other things
Belgium confirmed early, VRT will be using Eurosong as their selection process for next year
A storm in a teacup. Let's just enjoy the countries that do take part.
All we need is petite female singers in black dresses who sing dramatic, melodic, classic, powerful songs in French. Thus we only need France, Luxemburg, Monaco, Switzerland and Belgium to participate. The other countries could start a separate noisy pop festival if they want to.
I hope to see some countries back in 2025. my biggest hopes are for north macedonia, romania oder montenegro to come back. Hopefully nobody will withdraw.
Bulgaria's contemplating coming back in 2025, they'll make a decision in September
The problem is that the ESC keep trying to earmark themselves non-political which doesn't make sense when they happily ban Russia from the competition but allow Israel to take part. People are growing weary of that.
You've also got a political shifting of public opinion to the right in parts of central and southern Europe which is a particular branch of politics which is, let's say, less sympathetic of the views of the LGBT community which is the community which is most embraced within Eurovision. You could see the public in those countries putting pressure on to withdraw (ditto Netherlands after the farce with that this year).
Money is definitely a tricky factor. It does feel like countries go out their way to ensure they don't host it two years in a row
The EBU was more than happy to allow Russia to compete - it was the other broadcasters, who had threatened to withdraw, forced their hand.
What does Israel have to do with Russia?
Bro forgot Morocco 😢
Not likely to return ever. Don’t bet money on that.
I wish they would come back tho..
The obscene behaviour does not need to be interpreted. Your nations entry this year Adam was not only offensive to anti-LBTGQ people, but, and I do not know why I have to keep reminding people about this, but to people who do not care about a person's pro nouns or sexual preferences, and their families. Eurovision was created to be a song contest, and a acts sexual preferences, has nothing to do with the performance, unless you shove it down people's throats. Olly Aleksander and who ever created that monstrosity of a staging, was absolutely unaware or maybe they were aware, that this is an event where whole generations of families watch and the oversexualised choreography was not appreciated by 99% of viewers. The writer of the letter in Latvia was correct in saying what they said as Eurovision has allowed the increasing sexuality to enter the contest, which has absolutely increased this century, just watch and compare entries before 2000 to after 2000. It is now hard to see how the EBU can regulate this, which in turn will see a decrease of interest in the contest.
France still hasn't confirmed its participation and it worries me. We've taken part every year since 1983 and we're on a good path so it would be a shame if we didn't come back in 2025.
This will sound evil but if your broadacaster says you aren't competing it's actually good overall. The EBU is unable to ignore a big 5 country threatening to withdraw.(but if the EBU doesn't listen yeah eurovision can burn)
@@andreaslefteri3661 If a big 5 country like the UK, France or Spain want to withdraw, the EBU would surely know that something's not quite right ...
I just wish they could ditch the current EBU highest staff or whatever you wanna call it and israel
Am Israel Chai 🇮🇱 💙
@@triola3983 and?
@@Wailmur that's it. Israel stays forever 🇮🇱💙
@@triola3983 you are stanning eden golan too am I right?
if they dont change and countries drop out they might change things in 2026
opstappen met die EBU en een nieuwe organisatie.
Eurovision moet daarmee ook ophouden
Really, the competition has got far too big, I mean 4 hours of one competition is a lot. I am a big Eurovision fan, but there are too many, and they all sing one language, not very many sing in their language, which was good as you went by the music only and guessed what it was about. We also have tot see, after a certain war going on, as one as two parts could become one. I think Australia should be dropped as no one could afford to go there, also it is EUROvision and not Word vision, and I am Australian saying that. Small Countries will go eventually, the big 5 could become the big 4 because of Brexit, and in all honesty, the Countries that need to fundraise for anything and put Eurovision first has a serious budget problem. Maybe Eurovision will be affected so much that it will no longer be around. What is the point when the loudest screaming song wins these days. No Country has won with a ballad, it all has to be screaming the highest notes. Like I said, I am a fan and have been for years, but even I think that Eurovision only has time left before it goes. Especially if a certain war spills over. Countries that don't come anywhere will eventually stop, and you could end up with 4 major Countries entering, and to put on an extravagant show just for 4 songs would be ridiculous. Countries don't want to wind as it costs too much to put the show on as Ireland found out, and some Countries, if they win, just couldn't afford to put such extravagant shows on.
Thx. Not a word on Israel, OK keeping out of trouble.
There's a deep division on that subject, but why not talk about it. Peace.
My guess from what he said:
Montenegro joins (38)
Netherlands, Latvia & Moldova leave (35)
To make it more
Bye bye United Kingdom (34)
Hello Wales, Scotland & England (37)
DONE
Montenegro has participated in the past, but they got stuck in this Chinese lenders scheme which means they don't have money.
The Netherlands is almost certainly not going to ESC2025.
Ireland, Belgium, Iceland & Norway are also unlikely, because of that country.
Wales would LOVE to enter, but the UK will never leave...
It's wiser for the United Kingdom in its entirety to compete.
Frankly if the EbU doesn’t clear out it’s top brass and address the bullying of artists and the disgraceful treatment of Joost then I hope there are withdrawals because allowing the Israeli bullying of artists and not defending artists from it, then the contest doesn’t deserve to continue.
Stop projection and lying, only the Israeli delegation was bullied this year, not the other way around
Aphrodite forbid for leaving xxxx
I hope the Netherlands retreat, I’m Dutch and we felt insulted to the core by EBU.
I wouldn't be too sorry if more countries withdrew. It would be a clear signal to the EBU that how they're managing the contest is not good, and I'd fully agree with that
THEY CANNOT LEAVE!! ISRAEL SHOULD HAVE NOT PARTICIPATED IN THIS YEAR'S ESC!
Cope harder 🇮🇱💙🇮🇱💙🇮🇱💙🇮🇱
Of course Israel should have. Iceland, Portugal, Ireland, etc. should have been expelled for their antics.
JOOST WILL PARTICIPATE IN 2025
Everyone leaves, in the end only Britain and Israel will stay
I remember the last time Europe hated the Jews, I think it was... 1945?
You're not getting your way.
What the heck happened during Eurovision this year? I keep hearing things but I don't know what happened apart from some people having a problem with Israel.
the Netherlands, who sent a very loved song, was disqualified a few hours before the final
for the third year in a row, a country won because of juries/politics.
many countries which deserved higher places got extremely low places and some didn't even qualify.
they were just ignoring everything about israel, who also got 323 televote points because of politics
other stuff such as delegations behaviours, harassment, voting stuff, etc
@@failedaustrianartist Ah, so basically many songs got robbed and politics got in the way again, with some other shady stuff on top of that. I can see why people didn't like it now.
@@Hijiri_MIRACHION the most political year in years
I***HELL also ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED IN VOTE BUYING. WHICH IS GROUNDS FOR DISQUALIFICATION.
@@airin.unohanaliar liar pants on fire 🔥
Bosnia isnt in Eurovision since 2017