Although I mainly use Daiwa spinning reels, I totally agree with you that both companies make the best reels, there's no other competitors. But I have to say for the lower price point, Daiwa got the weight down way more than Shimano. That's just one important factor for the type of fishing I do but others see that not as most important. I'm not a returning viewer but I just subscribed! Keep it up bro!
I use both brands baitcasters and spinning reels and I will say. I love both brands. I lean more towards shimano on baitcasters cause the lower profile But an I’ve put some massive fish on both brands and they handle the same, and hold up the same. I only have one preference toward both brands and that is that shimano has better bearings in my opinion
10kg sting ray, 6kg Grouper,, you know what i used ? The ultimate budget shimano reel, The Shimano FX, !! It only costs 26USD for the 4000 size.. unfreakin believable
My take has been daiwa reels are more for taking a physical beating and used as a workhorse where you pick your set up and let the rig you chose do the work. Shimano are more for finesse especially with live bait where you're actions with the rod and how fast or slow your retrieval speed is does the work. That being said its about the individual choices and fishing styles that one being better than the other both are good just for different things. You don't corner a track in a luxury suv and you don't go off roading in a luxury sports car. As for quality it's like anything today some happen to be made on a Friday or Monday when production quality suffers compared to the rest of the week you can get a bad one of anything anymore. Also for U.S. based purchasers a big selling point is mid and lower mid end daiwas are China made Shimanos are Malaysia made except for the low end $50 and unders those are also china and high end doesn't matter as those are all Japan made for both companies as I understand it.
It's funny, because I have the opposite opinion - I think Shimano are more workhorses and DAIWA is for finesse use and delicate work. It's great to have a discussion like this and hear other opinions. Thank you for the comment
I run a 2500 Tatula MQ. Fantastic reel. Shimano makes very nice stuff as well. I've fished many brands over the years but my goto it Daiwa whether that be walleye, bass, pike or musky.
Same story with me. I had about 7 different year models of Shimano Twin Power and I sold them to get a Daiwa, but the thing is that each company is better for different types of fishing. For example for jig or dropshot I'm using Shimano anyways, but for jerkbaits and twitch only Daiwa, becouse it reels free line much better than opponent. Also with Daiwa never had such a problems as Shimano. At the moment my all time favorite reel is 14 Morethan 3012H.
😂, right. Both brands are kickass i just prefer daiwa. But i’m not saying daiwa is better. Both brands produce great reels and rods. Both brands make my favorite reels on the market daiwa zillion 21 sv tw and shimano metanium 20 mgl
i used both reel,own multiple of them from low to mid to high end, from real four period to LT to current MQ,from S-concept,to SR to current cross thingy there's one thing i always feel its consistently superior in shimano favor, that is the line lay, shimano has the straightest most aesthetically line lay of all the reel in the market due to it using worm shaft all along, where daiwa even the most high end tend to have a bit of a curve to its line lay reliability wise daiwa was terrible in the real four period, only started to improve in LT period, many of my real four spinning reel did not survive today,but shimano from the same era - s concept and SR concept especially, still absolutely rocking till today
You can't really go wrong with either, but almost all my reels are Daiwa. No disrespect from me for Shimano, they are awesome as well. But i dont own any. Cheers!
Daiwa! assembly and quality check is alot higher level than shimano! You can use daiwa straight out of the box, with shimano its better to give to master to reassemble it :D. But all in all both brands are good (only daiwa little better :D )
I have certate lt 5000 baught it just for the design as shimano guy, mind u since u r talking about best quality n finish , i was suprised by the certate one lower buttom side is just too sharp compared to the other side n that bad finish ever for low end reels of any company.
Were you drunk when youwrote that? I just got a Fuego LT and the first thing I had to do was fidget with the shims to get it to lay line correctly! I'm no Shimano fanboy, but I never had one of those that I had to do that with.
:D now you know why they put shims to regulate the line lay. Shimano and daiwa does it, you just wasnt lucky with your reel so you had to regulate it. I have never had this kind of issue with daiwa reels but had to do it once with shimano :D . So please dont talk this kind of bulls---t when you dont understand a sh-t about what you talking about :D @@kundetjenesten
@@tmzzlo 2 Nexaves, 2 Sedonas, 3 Stradics (2 FK, 1 FL), none needed re-shimming. 2 Fuego's, BOTH needed shimming, and more precisely 1 shim added on each. To add insult to injury; I've had around 6-7 Abu Garcias as well, and I've had one (1) that needed shimming fixed, a Cardinal. That is the cheapest reel possible and the shims were outermost on the shaft so easy and swift job.
These 2 are not competing against each other - they are competing together against the rest of the market... you can barely find non-C 4000 Daiwa just like you can barely find non-C 3000 Shimano. Or just like you can barely find carbon composite Shimano reel sub-200$ or full metal Daiwa smaller than 4000... they are not competing, they just divide market in between themselves. Jakuzas
The question is does the laying of the line have any influence? I have noticed that DAIWA line is often concentrated at the top of the spool. If I am not mistaken their spools are conical, the diameter is different at the top and bottom. It's possible that this is due to the distance of the cast, but could be completely wrong :D
I've had a Daiwa 20 Luvias FC2500 and after not even one year the gears broke.I have a Shimano Vanford 2500 and after three years it's getting a bit noisy.Both reels were frequently used.I like the design and feeling from Daiwa but I'm afraid to buy them 😮I've upgraded to new Vanquish and Stella.
@@EdvinasUrbonasI'm rolling the dice again with Daiwa.I've bought the new Certate FC2500S which is advertised as superstrong It feels super smooth A friend of mine has good experience with the older model Fingers crossed.😁
When I first started fishing as an adult...and had to buy my own gear...I bought 4 rod and reel combos..Shimano!!..30 years later, with proper maintenance..these are still catching me fish. When I started getting into baitcasting I experimented with various brands...and YES...I now have several Diawa's and Abu's all are great companies
In our region the prevailing opinion is that the cheaper Shimano are more durable. Daiwa is lighter - but shimano breaks less. According to some people, real Daiwa starts at ~$200. We have a conspiracy theory.
You’re right on point bro, I be laughing when someone tell me one is better than the other. And my respond is I use both. Daiwa for certain fishing situations and a few for artificial and Shimano is mainly my artificial fishing application
Take it to the water and start catching fish after fish. You will know after 6 months if you're an avid fisherman; 1 yr. if you're a fair weather fisherman.
At the moment I liked Daiwa’s design better. Now I can also say that top segment Daiwa’s are smoother. They start harder but the spin is smoother. But quality, build and other things- I see no difference
@@EdvinasUrbonas Now I only have the Daiwa Exceler and the Abu Superior (I have sold the Shimano Stradic). Even If I consider the Abu a much-much higher quality and I prefer that, I would gladly buy the Daiwa any day. Very good price/quality ratio.
@@awengirr don't get this answer in a wrong way. In this price segment, ABU may feel better because you are not paying a premium for the name. But the real difference comes from the ~150-200USD segment, where DAIWA and SHIMANO technologies start to show. In the lower segment, all reels are very similar
@@EdvinasUrbonas Got it! One day maybe I should try. (I just can't justify to buy another one, YET :-D ) I like the price tag of the Shimano Vanford. Do you have any experience with that? It would be even better to find a model at Daiwa for about the same price. I can't see anything in the same range. I am mainly into ultralight spinning so I am looking for 1000 sized reels.
I did not try Shimano Vanford myself but I've heard good things about it. Daiwa CALDIA LT 2021 model is a direct competitor to the Vanford at the same price range. I have it for a few months now and so far I'm really happy with it :)
I never used any of those, so I can’t comment a lot but what I know Stella is a flagship and Saltist is a budget option. You should think Shimano stella or Daiwa saltiga. But if you’re choosing between those two I would go with Stella.
@@EdvinasUrbonas thank you so much. I already have a Stella FJ 1000 on a 7’2 MLF rod. Van Staal VR50 on 7’6 MF rod. Now, I already have a 8’0 HF rod, which size should I choose for Stella SW? 4000 or 6000 since it will be using for big game fish? Thanks
I was thinking of getting either the Shimano 4000 Nasci or Miravel for my semi heavy largemouth and pike rod. So, fishing around weeds, but not super heavy cover. The Miravel looks interesting with that light weight, but would it be sturdy enough? Any recommendations?
If you're leaning towards Shimano - I'd take Shimano Ultegra FC it's a much more serious reel. Or add a little more and go with Vanford. But Ultegra is the lowest I'd start.
i'm getting ready to do the same. my only pause is whether i truly want to spend the extra to go with the Miravel. i'm leaning towards doing it though. hard to argue with getting one of their CI4 reels at $129 (USD).
Diawa always seem tempting but you know you are going to love and depend on a Shimano, years after the Diawa goes in the bin. I use Shimano, my mate uses Daiwa (used to be on Shimano). We are both open minded and happy with our choices. I look at his reels with interest, he looks at mine with envy. We both agree that Merc are cool and beemar are for idiots.😂
Žinai nepritariu tau manau, kad pirma rite naujokui turi buti kaip okuma ar Dragon jos pigios ir kaip naujokam geras pats neperku ir net nežiūriu i Daiwa ar i Shimano rites manau per brangu ir tiesiog neverta
Visi turi savo nuomone. Gal del spino galima taip galvot, nors as ir taip nemanau. Bet pvz su castingu kaip zmones sako - jei pirma castingine rite isbandysi pige, tai tikrai nepatiks tau tas budas ir nenoresi jo. Manau cia irgi yra tiesos.
first of all i dont agree with a bustard here. secondly, shimano is a good gear producer but a reel is more than a gear. my 2500xg easily sticks when i fish in salt water. finally i found that the bearings carrying the handle easily take salt and stick. i think it is a shame. so i bought a 4000 reel of same price and unmensioned brand here, and now it never sticks. daiwa will be my next experience. as a budget select consider caldia, and if not then fuego.
![SHIMANO vs PENN vs DAIWA [$200 Inshore Spinning Reel Comparison]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/V0mQvgxaILM/mqdefault.jpg)
Shimano is Toyota and Daiwa is Honda
No, Daiwa is Lexus
Bro said he Sold his Shimano…Easy Daiwa W 🔥💯
Although I mainly use Daiwa spinning reels, I totally agree with you that both companies make the best reels, there's no other competitors. But I have to say for the lower price point, Daiwa got the weight down way more than Shimano. That's just one important factor for the type of fishing I do but others see that not as most important. I'm not a returning viewer but I just subscribed! Keep it up bro!
Thank you man ;)
I use both brands baitcasters and spinning reels and I will say. I love both brands. I lean more towards shimano on baitcasters cause the lower profile But an I’ve put some massive fish on both brands and they handle the same, and hold up the same. I only have one preference toward both brands and that is that shimano has better bearings in my opinion
Ever heard of the vanford?
@@jacksfishing3024 probably the best mid tier light weight spinning reel
10kg sting ray, 6kg Grouper,, you know what i used ? The ultimate budget shimano reel, The Shimano FX, !! It only costs 26USD for the 4000 size.. unfreakin believable
Good for you man 💪👍
Both have excellent products.
My take has been daiwa reels are more for taking a physical beating and used as a workhorse where you pick your set up and let the rig you chose do the work. Shimano are more for finesse especially with live bait where you're actions with the rod and how fast or slow your retrieval speed is does the work. That being said its about the individual choices and fishing styles that one being better than the other both are good just for different things. You don't corner a track in a luxury suv and you don't go off roading in a luxury sports car. As for quality it's like anything today some happen to be made on a Friday or Monday when production quality suffers compared to the rest of the week you can get a bad one of anything anymore. Also for U.S. based purchasers a big selling point is mid and lower mid end daiwas are China made Shimanos are Malaysia made except for the low end $50 and unders those are also china and high end doesn't matter as those are all Japan made for both companies as I understand it.
It's funny, because I have the opposite opinion - I think Shimano are more workhorses and DAIWA is for finesse use and delicate work. It's great to have a discussion like this and hear other opinions. Thank you for the comment
Totally agree with you both are excellent reels
They are
Own both brands, like both. Baitcasters and spinning reels since the 1970s
How old are you?😁
I run a 2500 Tatula MQ. Fantastic reel. Shimano makes very nice stuff as well.
I've fished many brands over the years but my goto it Daiwa whether that be walleye, bass, pike or musky.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Im very happy with Diawa BG4000 . Its good value I think
If you’re happy- that’s really a good value 👍
Same story with me. I had about 7 different year models of Shimano Twin Power and I sold them to get a Daiwa, but the thing is that each company is better for different types of fishing. For example for jig or dropshot I'm using Shimano anyways, but for jerkbaits and twitch only Daiwa, becouse it reels free line much better than opponent. Also with Daiwa never had such a problems as Shimano. At the moment my all time favorite reel is 14 Morethan 3012H.
Thanks for sharing
😂, right. Both brands are kickass i just prefer daiwa. But i’m not saying daiwa is better. Both brands produce great reels and rods. Both brands make my favorite reels on the market daiwa zillion 21 sv tw and shimano metanium 20 mgl
If you have good line lay. It really comes to application and how you match it the rod you are using which is actually more important
True
i used both reel,own multiple of them from low to mid to high end, from real four period to LT to current MQ,from S-concept,to SR to current cross thingy
there's one thing i always feel its consistently superior in shimano favor, that is the line lay, shimano has the straightest most aesthetically line lay of all the reel in the market due to it using worm shaft all along, where daiwa even the most high end tend to have a bit of a curve to its line lay
reliability wise daiwa was terrible in the real four period, only started to improve in LT period, many of my real four spinning reel did not survive today,but shimano from the same era - s concept and SR concept especially, still absolutely rocking till today
Good info bro
I think the Daiwa Certate 2024 is a very good reel.....
I would love to try it. The 2019 model was great. I wonder how they improved it and if you feel those changes when you fish
I have been using shimano for years! From sienna to stradic! I just ordered my first daiwa! Lets see how they compare :)
Hope you like it!
Very genuine advice
Daiwa is amazing. Better in my opinion. I have 105 diff reels from cheap to saltigas and stellas
105!?!🥹😨 you’re some kind of reel tycoon?😀😀
You can't really go wrong with either, but almost all my reels are Daiwa. No disrespect from me for Shimano, they are awesome as well. But i dont own any.
Cheers!
Just like me😁🍻
Finally someone who gets the point.
Daiwa! assembly and quality check is alot higher level than shimano! You can use daiwa straight out of the box, with shimano its better to give to master to reassemble it :D. But all in all both brands are good (only daiwa little better :D )
We all have to believe in something :D
I have certate lt 5000 baught it just for the design as shimano guy, mind u since u r talking about best quality n finish , i was suprised by the certate one lower buttom side is just too sharp compared to the other side n that bad finish ever for low end reels of any company.
Were you drunk when youwrote that? I just got a Fuego LT and the first thing I had to do was fidget with the shims to get it to lay line correctly! I'm no Shimano fanboy, but I never had one of those that I had to do that with.
:D now you know why they put shims to regulate the line lay. Shimano and daiwa does it, you just wasnt lucky with your reel so you had to regulate it. I have never had this kind of issue with daiwa reels but had to do it once with shimano :D . So please dont talk this kind of bulls---t when you dont understand a sh-t about what you talking about :D @@kundetjenesten
@@tmzzlo 2 Nexaves, 2 Sedonas, 3 Stradics (2 FK, 1 FL), none needed re-shimming. 2 Fuego's, BOTH needed shimming, and more precisely 1 shim added on each.
To add insult to injury; I've had around 6-7 Abu Garcias as well, and I've had one (1) that needed shimming fixed, a Cardinal. That is the cheapest reel possible and the shims were outermost on the shaft so easy and swift job.
These 2 are not competing against each other - they are competing together against the rest of the market... you can barely find non-C 4000 Daiwa just like you can barely find non-C 3000 Shimano. Or just like you can barely find carbon composite Shimano reel sub-200$ or full metal Daiwa smaller than 4000... they are not competing, they just divide market in between themselves. Jakuzas
Jakuzas is the great name😁
That's a good point. Thanks for pointing it out. 👍
I've used Diawa since the 1970's, still use Diawa
Dude, you are true OG :)
under $100, Daiwa is the better reel, at least for spinning reels.
Many would say the opposite 😁
Both brands are awesome! 🔥
Yes they are!
I use shimano only for the low ratio 5.0:1 for my trout fishing
Good m8✌️
daiwa has better bails but daiwa cant compee with shimanos linelay and arc spool
As I said, both have advantages and disadvantages
I agree that sometimes Daiwa needs some line lay shims adjustment from the factory. Fortunately it's a " set it and forget it" type thing.
Thank you
You are welcome 👌
1:32 They're investing a huge ammount of money, but Daiwa still can't lay the line evenly out the box 🤦🏻♂
The question is does the laying of the line have any influence? I have noticed that DAIWA line is often concentrated at the top of the spool. If I am not mistaken their spools are conical, the diameter is different at the top and bottom. It's possible that this is due to the distance of the cast, but could be completely wrong :D
Doesn’t bother me. I get which ever i like.
I've had a Daiwa 20 Luvias FC2500 and after not even one year the gears broke.I have a Shimano Vanford 2500 and after three years it's getting a bit noisy.Both reels were frequently used.I like the design and feeling from Daiwa but I'm afraid to buy them 😮I've upgraded to new Vanquish and Stella.
You might just been unlucky al sort of things happen. Don't know if you should judge on one reel. But Vanquish or Stella is higher end reels ;)
@@EdvinasUrbonasI'm rolling the dice again with Daiwa.I've bought the new Certate FC2500S which is advertised as superstrong It feels super smooth A friend of mine has good experience with the older model Fingers crossed.😁
@@Boris29311 I think it’s an awesome reel
When I first started fishing as an adult...and had to buy my own gear...I bought 4 rod and reel combos..Shimano!!..30 years later, with proper maintenance..these are still catching me fish. When I started getting into baitcasting I experimented with various brands...and YES...I now have several Diawa's and Abu's all are great companies
Great for you 👍
all daiwas under 150 euros is MUCH BETER CHOICE THAN SHIMANO shimano only is good from the high end japan modells
In our region the prevailing opinion is that the cheaper Shimano are more durable. Daiwa is lighter - but shimano breaks less. According to some people, real Daiwa starts at ~$200. We have a conspiracy theory.
Daiwa and Penn all the way🤙🏽
Interesting thoughts
You’re right on point bro, I be laughing when someone tell me one is better than the other. And my respond is I use both. Daiwa for certain fishing situations and a few for artificial and Shimano is mainly my artificial fishing application
Nice to hear ✌️
Take it to the water and start catching fish after fish. You will know after 6 months if you're an avid fisherman; 1 yr. if you're a fair weather fisherman.
Own 1 shamino stradic n the rest is Diawa tatula LT Series.
Nice
Can you explain why you switched to Diawa?
At the moment I liked Daiwa’s design better. Now I can also say that top segment Daiwa’s are smoother. They start harder but the spin is smoother. But quality, build and other things- I see no difference
Yup. Shimano is better...
:DDDDD
And they're both made in the same company in Japan just like LG TV and Samsung same company different name brand
Are they really? Daiwa and Shimano?
Shimano!❤️😀
trolini :D
Just get a Kastking sharky 😂
I have Daiwa, Shimano and Abu Garcia (Japanese version). Abu Garcia is the best of all.
What models do you have?
@@EdvinasUrbonas Now I only have the Daiwa Exceler and the Abu Superior (I have sold the Shimano Stradic). Even If I consider the Abu a much-much higher quality and I prefer that, I would gladly buy the Daiwa any day. Very good price/quality ratio.
@@awengirr don't get this answer in a wrong way. In this price segment, ABU may feel better because you are not paying a premium for the name. But the real difference comes from the ~150-200USD segment, where DAIWA and SHIMANO technologies start to show. In the lower segment, all reels are very similar
@@EdvinasUrbonas Got it! One day maybe I should try. (I just can't justify to buy another one, YET :-D ) I like the price tag of the Shimano Vanford. Do you have any experience with that? It would be even better to find a model at Daiwa for about the same price. I can't see anything in the same range. I am mainly into ultralight spinning so I am looking for 1000 sized reels.
I did not try Shimano Vanford myself but I've heard good things about it. Daiwa CALDIA LT 2021 model is a direct competitor to the Vanford at the same price range. I have it for a few months now and so far I'm really happy with it :)
Leave the reels apart , both brands are great, but what is that beauty of a rod at 4:20 ?
Tailwalk Hi-Tide Tz 96
Please help me pick, Shimano Stella SW4000 or Saltist MQ3000?
I never used any of those, so I can’t comment a lot but what I know Stella is a flagship and Saltist is a budget option. You should think Shimano stella or Daiwa saltiga. But if you’re choosing between those two I would go with Stella.
@@EdvinasUrbonas thank you so much. I already have a Stella FJ 1000 on a 7’2 MLF rod. Van Staal VR50 on 7’6 MF rod. Now, I already have a 8’0 HF rod, which size should I choose for Stella SW? 4000 or 6000 since it will be using for big game fish? Thanks
@@2Cool4Ryan depends what “big” means for you?😁 and how heavy your average bait is
@@EdvinasUrbonas I just ended up buying Saltist MQ5000. haha. Hopefully i won't regret it.
@@2Cool4Ryan I think you won't. Stella is like iPhone 14 ProMax and you just got iPhone 13. :)
I was thinking of getting either the Shimano 4000 Nasci or Miravel for my semi heavy largemouth and pike rod. So, fishing around weeds, but not super heavy cover. The Miravel looks interesting with that light weight, but would it be sturdy enough? Any recommendations?
what is your budget?
@@EdvinasUrbonas $150
If you're leaning towards Shimano - I'd take Shimano Ultegra FC it's a much more serious reel. Or add a little more and go with Vanford. But Ultegra is the lowest I'd start.
i'm getting ready to do the same. my only pause is whether i truly want to spend the extra to go with the Miravel. i'm leaning towards doing it though. hard to argue with getting one of their CI4 reels at $129 (USD).
@@wingsfan977 never spend more than you’re comfortable to 😉
Daiwa all night long for spinning!
Sure is!
Penn Spinfisher FTW
Lets agree to disagree 😁
Ira Shimano, po tuo visi kiti rites🤗
I like how you pointed out both brands produce top quality reels. There's so much misconception out there.
There is😁
Diawa always seem tempting but you know you are going to love and depend on a Shimano, years after the Diawa goes in the bin.
I use Shimano, my mate uses Daiwa (used to be on Shimano). We are both open minded and happy with our choices. I look at his reels with interest, he looks at mine with envy.
We both agree that Merc are cool and beemar are for idiots.😂
There is a saying: not everyone who drives beemer are idiot, but all idiots drive beemer. Think about it 😁
Dawai
Žinai nepritariu tau manau, kad pirma rite naujokui turi buti kaip okuma ar Dragon jos pigios ir kaip naujokam geras pats neperku ir net nežiūriu i Daiwa ar i Shimano rites manau per brangu ir tiesiog neverta
Visi turi savo nuomone. Gal del spino galima taip galvot, nors as ir taip nemanau. Bet pvz su castingu kaip zmones sako - jei pirma castingine rite isbandysi pige, tai tikrai nepatiks tau tas budas ir nenoresi jo. Manau cia irgi yra tiesos.
@@EdvinasUrbonas jo faktas bet pagalvok 400 ar net 1000euru ant rites dar ant meskeres solidus 300-400 euru didele sumele kaip naujokui kokiam
@@rytiskvaraciejus8951 as apie tokias naujokui nekalbu😁 pradet butu fainai nuo kokios Ultegros arba Caldios😉
first of all i dont agree with a bustard here. secondly, shimano is a good gear producer but a reel is more than a gear. my 2500xg easily sticks when i fish in salt water. finally i found that the bearings carrying the handle easily take salt and stick. i think it is a shame. so i bought a 4000 reel of same price and unmensioned brand here, and now it never sticks. daiwa will be my next experience. as a budget select consider caldia, and if not then fuego.
Well one reel is not the largest sample size right?😁 what shimano model are you talking about?
@@EdvinasUrbonas fc man
Penn called says he's here
Penn called you?🤔