Sony A7SIII Stabilization Review | Active vs Gimbal vs Catalyst Browse
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- The Sony A7SIII Stabilization is pretty awesome with the new active mode and catalyst browse gyro data. But is it better than a gimbal?
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Active mode FTW, considering catalyst has a major crop and not to mention the processes. Great video!
Thank you! I'm so glad you enjoyed!
Yes exactly 👍🏻
quick run and gun vlog active way to go..
I just "upgraded" from a GH5 to an A7SIII, and I'm honestly shocked at how much more difficult it is to achieve steady hand-held footage with the A7SIII. I've been so spoiled with the GH5's IBIS, that I forgot that it wasn't something that all cameras had naturally. Sheeeeeshh
Hey man, I was looking to upgrade my GH5 to an A7SIII for lowlight purposes but I was wondering about the difference regarding stabilization (I really really need a good stabilization because I have to shoot handheld, no gimbal, run&gun style, sometimes walking, for my documentary project). Your comment makes me really wonder... is the A7SIII capable enough ?
@@kevinbrunet-lerouzic579 Damn ! Exact same holdup here. Same R&G application concerns, for large-scale commercial construction - deluxe hi-rise 25-50 floor apt/condo/offfice buildings - where camera has to be adaptive to various non-optimal/undesirable lighting environments/factors, and often handheld slowly walking around miscellaneous debris, litter, materials, equipment, across surfaces either non-graded (not-paved) or not yet finished surface quality. IBIS is not a nice-if-you-can-get-it option in those terrains, it's a necessity. In my case, *not* upgrading from GH5 - rather though have been seriously looking at both the Fuji XH2S or Panasonic S5 IIS but find myself lingering wandering back to considering A7S III since after all these years it *STILL* gets referred to in _many_ comparisons/reviews.
The comparative sequence that eventually winds up on Catalyst Browse at (approx) 4:40 is a very encouraging transition IMHO. I'm no expert but that is a significantly noticeable stabilization difference that to me looks completely natural and usable. The A7S III's Phase-Detect Autofocus has become pretty much *notoriously* the existing de facto benchmark of comparison. _That still impresses me_ . Sorry for rambling so much, but this is not an easy decision - I *liked* ur comment as not an inquiry by yet just another person who casually makes videos of themselves walking their dog in their backyard or raking leaves etc &/or other similar useless trivial clips I see in some of these so-called *review* clips. Thank you sir for your real world inquiry !!!
@@trendscoutplus4584 hey man. I tested both cameras last week in a camerashop and ... GH5's IBIS can't be beaten... Period. Lowlight ability of A7s3 is fantastic, but I can have very good results with a second GH5s (special version for lowlight), option that gives me a spare body in case of a problem.
Buying an A7S3 + lens is way more expensive, doesnt give me a spare body, i'm loosing on the stabilisation side, gaining on the lowlight one but is it worth it ? Not for me. And the A7s3 combo is way heavier, which IS really exhausting after long shoots R&G.
Both cameras shoot in 4K 4:2:2 10bits... Both images are very similar in normal conditions... Actually comparing them in real life gave me an exhibit A answer !
Remember :
A7s3 + 24-70 F2.8 = 7000€
GH5s + 12-35 F2.8 + 35-100 F2.8 = half the price and you get spare body and lenses !
That's all for my case.
Yep. GH5 is known for having superior stabilization. No Sony comes close; however, the Sony is superior for low light. The solution is to have both cameras. I hope you didn't sell your GH5 because that is a very capable camera for professional work.
@@kevinbrunet-lerouzic579As someone who went from the GH4 to the A7Sii and then A7Siii. I believe the Sony line is significantly better than the Panasonic line in almost every way, at least for my type of work.
Active mode seems the best honestly, throw a gimbal and it's just so smooth!
I’m buying this and using active mode with Gimbal! 🔥🔥
Thank you for the best stabilisation review out there! So many options ❤️
How have you been liking active mode with Gimbal? I've thought to use standard steady shot with gimbal, then active with handheld.
After using it extensively, Im usually using standard on the gimbal, sometimes active and the gimbal fight against eachother and leave some wierd warping that stabilization in post doesn't do the best with
You can export from Catalyst in "XAVC Intra" "Class 300" which is marked "Planar 4:2:2 YUV 10-bits LE". It looks full quality to me. Or I am wrong ? For me, the most difficult about using catalyst in post is that you can't be sure of your framing when you shoot.
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It's just nice having various options in one device
It really is! Options arw always good
100% & all these codecs to choose from 🙏 what a camera
Active mode looks best. Catalyst Brows makes the video file look really soft like you're shooting with a 1080p camera from 1999 and when the footage isn't soft it has a strange fuzzy artifacting when correcting shaky video. It's so distracting it makes the footage unusable. But I like the Active Mode. Thanks for the video. I'm rally thinking about picking up an A7SIII for video.
I wrote to DJI and asked if their RSC2 and/or RSN gimbals worked with the IBIS and Active Stabilization in the Sony A7Siii. They wrote the following:
"After checking with our senior engineers, the 5-axis in-body image stabilization will automatically turn off, but the image stabilization of the lens will work normally as long as it is turned on. So the IBIS and Active Stabilization won't work, however, the OOS lens will not be affected."
This is a very confusing comment since your testing shows better outcomes when IBIS+Active Stabilization is combined with a gimbal. Do you have any idea what is going on ?
Maybe they are talking about if you plug in the camera to the gimbal? But I wouldn't know. I'm still using all my stabilization modes
Stabilizing using software is notorious for CROPPING the video. I have the Sony a7c. Also have the DJI Pocket 2 (which has a larger sensor than Apple/Samsung flagship smartphones), which can record in 4k 30/60fps and it's a smart pocket size 4k gimbal camera which won't draw attention when you use it to record because it's so discreet. Saves carrying a bulky gimbal which is a hassle to set up, or relying on software.
Great side by side! I have the 20mm lens with the sony a7iv pre-order on the way and I've heard the active modes are very similar :)
i will choose active mode or use a gimbal instead, because increase in shutter speed for gyro will sacrifice the income of light, you may shoot in daylight open wide for sure, but in low light, this is such a pain, especially if i need F/4 - F5.6 telling an landscape or else, increasing shutter speed means i have to boost ISO, the more ISO the more noisy video, not great in low light.
Excellent comparison! As long as I use a wide lens for smooth walking or vlogging the active stabilisation could replace a gimbal if I want to travel light or don’t draw attention to myself.
Good point
Active Mode is very impressive! Wow. Also have to say that your video quality is amazing!
Yeah I think active is the way forward, just for the sake of workflow purposes. But catalyst browse is a good addition and useful to have if ever needed
Great info, Thank you for the footage and followup thoughts Marc
By the way the background colors in contrast to you the subject in your studio setup are really pleasing !
Thank you so much! This video answers all my questions 🙏🏻
Glad I could help! Thanks for watching!
are the active mode crop 1.1 means reduce resolution like catalyst browse ?
Nope! Still full 4k resolution
Nice, so much win on active mode !
Its a great feature for sure!
Catalyst browse is a beast! Nice review btw!
You have other export options besides those that you mentioned so you are not downgrading your footage. When shooting on gimbals with wider lenses I would argue that you can disable IBIS and rely on the gimbal alone but have the option to stabilize in post if needed.
when you were shooting steady shots and also active mode, the ibis and OIS was on, or just ibis (if your lens without ois, i dont know) ? Thanks:)
The lens I was using does not have ois
@@MarcTaraz nice! So with ois, it should be even better I guess? When we talking about active mode🤔
In theory yes
Great vid. I was just trying to consider doing 50p with active and gimbal vs 100p and gimbal with no active.
I decided to go with 50p active and gimbal.
Love your videos man, keep em up
Thank you so much! It really means a lot to me!
Yes,I got a7s3 just now and I found that Catalyst Browse can't support XAVC HS(H.265,10bit 4:2:0) format...
that h265 is hard to edit, cpu temps go way up 😪
Cats Browse looks great. 👍 great on the A7C
Thanks Marc!
Great job. I enjoyed hearing your experience.
Good video thank you
Thank you for this clear and so well edited video. The combination Catalyst+motion blur is such a disappointment: already in the FX9 the catalyst stabilization made this weird and unpleasant motion blur related artifacts, and as the motion is not present, on really does not understand the blur. Probably the best way to go is with gimbal. Coming from the GH5 I am so interested in the a7sIII .... full frame, good AF, 120 fps etc. .... but I have not seen yet a video that makes me fall in love with the a7sIII .... in particular when there is motion, like a smooth panning, the movement rendition is a bit shoppy, not smooth.
Appreciate the comparison, thank you!!
When panning a shot using gimbal and active mode I have some sudden jerking in the corners. As if gimbal and ibis are fighting each other to keep every shot straight. Did you notice any of this happening?
Sony finally, but not quite, catching up to 2017's Panasonic Gh5 for IBIS and dual OIS. That said, I do have a A7siii on order. :)
Hard to beat that legendary ibis in thag camera
just what i need, thanks for the comparison
Good video! Thanks
Very good video - even after about 2 years!
Question: After 6:33 in the timeline, which camera and settings are you using? The video is very good and clear, and so it can share that bit too here, that will be very helpful!
Thanks!
4:26 This is exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks 🙏🏻 😊 Good video 👍🏻
I tested the gyro with my a7c. And i found 1/250 was working great. But i think a gimbal is still the best especially when running.
I would love to see catalyst browse in sliders
Very useful information!!
thanks for sharing this! and I got two questions about gyro
question1: is the color of the footage would be changed after using gyro?
question2: what's ur shutter speed and frame rate of ur footage in the test? would the shutter speed affect the result?
Great video, Marc. I’m a pretty militant handheld shooter moving from a GH5 soon & naturally my only concern is IBIS! specifically its capacity to handle moves left & right at speed between subjects for example - what’re your thoughts?
Its the best IBIS sony has ever had, I dunno if it's GH5 levels tho... That thing is pretty insane
dude amazing thorough review. instasub!
Keep up the great work
Highly beneficial, thanks!
Well, that was interesting.. I might need a video for the 50mm & maybe also with the 30/35. Gyro was definitely better in telephoto use & I want to know at what point is it still better since Active SS was better at 20mm in my opinion.
Great video!!! So do you ever get any warp at all or weirdness since you’re been using active shot with gimbal, specially with wide angle lens? I know the gh5 use to give warping towards the edges. I do a lot of real estate… so looking at the gm 14mm
excellent test thank you, majority will use ACTIVE MODE less hassle straight out of camera
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Great video! With what lens and at what aperture did you shoot yourself talking?
Thanks for the comparison! Do you know if the active stabilization uses much more battery? I shoot weddings all day, and I'm always trying to improve my battery life.
I haven't run crazy battery tests from 100-0, but I can say with confidence that active mode does take more battery life
@@MarcTaraz ok good to know. Thank you Marc
Great vid, thanks. Were these filmed at 24p?
Yes they were!
Thanks for your comparison, it is so useful. However, I guess there's little bit of 'color lost' in catalyst browsing. How do you think of it?
From what I've heard it depends on which picture profile you're using and exporting with, but for me personally I didn't really notice because I'm importing that footage into my editing application and doing color grading there
Seems like the Active Steady show with Gimbal is worse than the plain steady shot! How strange, perhaps some kind of over compensation?
Hi Marc. Would you recommend buying the 6-9 ND filter or 1-5 for the 20 mm Sony? I see you gave 6-9, but isn’t that overkill considering we can just bump the shutter a little?
I actually have both the 6-9 and 2-5 stop, lately I've been using the 2-5 stop more and just stopping down my apeture. Unless you want to be shooting at 1.8 in broad daylight, then 2-5 stop should be enough
@@MarcTaraz thanks so much! I really like your shots in the video in daylight, which ND did you use there? And by broad daylight you mean sun shining right down, and that’s where it won’t work right?
I actually really like to shoot in 1,8 I must say - but in the broad daylight situations, couldn’t we also just bump up the shutter just a tad? No one would really notice, would they?
These shots here were with the 6-9 stop, I hadn't bought the 2-5 stop yet. You could bump your shutter up, and from the comments of my other cataylist browse stabilization video, no one really seemed so mind, but I personally stick to the 180* shutter rule
Hmm, imagine adding a stabilized lens into this setup smth. like Zeiss 16-35 F4 OSS
Awesome rundown! Loving my siii so far. I got some decent results with steady shot handheld and gimbal (video on my channel) Going to test out active mode this weekend
Which one of these options you can use with zoom or low light environment? Are you doing the "ninja walk" while shooting or you just walk regularly? I guess there is no Z axis stabilisation right?
You can use them all in a low light case or with zoom. No z axis, the only camera that has that is the ronin 4d. I am ninja walking
That is helpful for me thank yoy
Thanks for sharing 👍
Where is active stabilization on the A7IV menu?? I can only see steadyshot only, someone please help!!!
If your clip is 4k60 or 4k120, can CB still export it in the same frame rate, capped at 100mbps?
What would be my best bet for handheld basketball footage? I like to have that run and gun organic feel.. would active mode only be enough for reducing shake from panning left to right quickly?
It depends what lens you plan on using, it tends to favor wider angle shots. I can’t tell you with 100% certainty, every shot and lens will be different, but I’ve sometimes found that regular mode with stabilization in post can sometimes yield better results
@@MarcTaraz thank you! I am using a7s3 with tamron 28-200 2.8-5.6
Hey Marc, since the description says that you have as well a Ronin-SC, I am curious if you tried to pair it with the a7siii? Does it work properly? Focus wheel & Recording button on the Ronin-SC usable?
I haven't plugged in my a7siii to the SC because it wasn't supported at the time. It's possible they've come out with firmware for the camera since then, but I've been using the RS2 since then
How do I turn on Active mode and what stipulations must be met before hand?
Can you use Active stabilization and then further smooth that footage out with Catalyst, or do you have to use one or the other?
What shutter speed do you suggest to use as a rule of thumb if your going to use Catalyst
Probably dumb questions, but how do you choose this "active mode" and do you turn off the "SteadyShot" while using it?
You just go into the stabilization menu and select off, standard, or active
@@MarcTaraz Thanks. I now see that the video was made for the Sony A7s III. It looks like the Sony A7 III doesn't have the same stabilization menu
Correct active mode is only on the a7siii right now
Great video! I have disabled steadyshot and shot in multiple format but my footage doesn't have gyro data in Catalyst, do you have an idea why?
great video! I'm wondering does it support bulk stabilization on multiple files? like... um.. set a global crop rate, then stabilize multiple files and export them automatically with just a few clicks?
Sadly no, you have to stabilize each clip individually and export individually. No batch stabilization or export, you have to do it 1 by 1. Maybe sony will update this in the future
@@MarcTaraz oh my... oh no... thanks anyway~ :)
Steady shot with Gimbal looks good. Catalyst shots look darker than others. Can Tamaron lense be used with Catalyst Browse?
only native sony lenses unfortunately
I've heard that some Tamron lenses work, based off camera conspiracies video
Marc Taraz Steiner interesting! I’ll test it right now 👌🏼
You’re right! 17-28 and 28-75 both work 👍🏼 I’m literally writing a pros and cons list to see if I wanna use catalyst or not haha
@@Braedin Hi, THere were few other forums and UA-cam postings confirm the Gyro data is recorded from the body and not the lenses. according to many its not the lenses provide the gyro date. love to hear from the people who have tested this.
what about panning titling. as for normal ibis it is not very good.
Great video, may I ask whether you have any issue using Catalyst Browse on 10-bit 4:2:2 files?
I talk about my issues in this video
ua-cam.com/video/5U2SXI7hurM/v-deo.html
Can you use active stabilization with third party lenses?
Catalyst browse is so slow to export. imagine doing the stabilization process in there for a lot of clips. :/
what lens did you use for that opening speaking shot?
Can you do one with in lens ibis ? With 16-35mm f4
I just keep mine in active mode and if im walking chuck it on a gimbal.
How do I get to active mode? I see steady shot but no active mode.
Every camera should include Gyro information
Agreed. If gopro can do it, anyone can
is it important to use a stabilized objektiv too for your camera the get the best result?
I assume you mean a gimbal, and it depends on the kind of shots you’re trying to achieve!
@@MarcTaraz no i wanna shoot handheld most of the time and i didn't know if i need just the Sony body with stabilization or lens and body with stabilization.
Not many of Sonys lenses are stabilized because they tend to prioritize the in body stabilization. I do shoot a decent amount handheld, usually in slow motion frame rates, and then some stabilization in post, and I’ve found it works really well.
@@MarcTaraz thank you for you answer.
is Active mode only available in a7siii?
Yes active mode is currently only on the siii
Its on the Sony zv1 too
Hi. What is catalyst browse?
The free application that sony has to actually stabilize your gyro data footage
@@MarcTaraz thanks when u have time do a a7siii iso test
Do you have to crank up the shutter speed in active mode?
No, that's only if you're going to use catalyst browse with no camera stabilization. Active mode is just a slighted tighter crop and a more intense in camera IBIS
This software support all sony camera? Like a6400?
Right now it's only on the a7c and a7siii
@@MarcTaraz No. RX0 ii and ZV-1 also.
@@markr041 and FX9/6
@@claytonburns Yes, thanks.
Do you have to use Sony lenses to stabilize in Catalyst?
No its all gyro data. No lens stabilization. It will work no matter what lens you have mounted
shutter speed?
What is Steady Shot, Active Mode, and Catalyst Browse?
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