Automatic vs Manual Off Road, What is Better? What Size for 37" Tires
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- Опубліковано 1 лют 2023
- This time we talk about what happened to the discount Datsun, what size wheel works with 37's or 35 inch tires. And why I prefer automatic transmissions for off roading.
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Your last question reminds me of a great saying, "Don't hang on to a bad decision just because you've spent a lot of time making it". Knowing when to pull the plug is the sign of experience.
oooo I love that gonna steal that phrase
@@BigTireGarage The last sentence is mine. I'm trying to remember who said the first part.
Manual driver here: I put a hydraulic handbrake (a cheap hydro e brake for drifting) in place of the factory handbrake. I plumbed it in line with my rear brakes. It has made a HUGE difference being able to use it as a "third foot." I can use it to hold me from rolling back while I preload the clutch, I can use it to soften some of the shock, and I can use it as a parking brake to completely lock the brakes (the factory TJ parking brakes could barely hold me still on flat ground with stock tires lol)
Auto is definitely better in almost every aspect with offroading, but manual is more fun to me, and that's the whole point of wheeling is to have fun haha
Yano. Growing up my Sunday mornings, consisted of powerblock watching you as I grew up. So this morning while my fiance, daughter and I were watching this video it literally dawned on me that now, all these years later my daughter is getting the same thing I got growing up. Thank you for making my daughter's Sunday morning the way you made mine. After all these years, always enjoy what I learn from watching you. Hope Deviants can catch you on the trail someday! 🤟
For those of us that don't have cable and didn't get to watch your old shows, you should show a picture of the "Where are they now" vehicles. IMHO :)
When I have a picture I do....but I don't want to get sued (again) by the old prod company by posting a pic that I don't own
One other consideration with the auto/manual discussion is gear ratios. I chose a manual because 1st is twice as low as most automatics. Couple that with a good transfer case and now you can mix and match gears to your liking.
With newer automatics the 1st gear is low. Take the 4.71 1st from the 850re and compare that to the 5.13 of the d478
I like both manuals and autos. I worked for the forrest fire service for 13 years. Fabricating and building brush firetrucks. We had auto and manuals in our fleet. Guys who insisted on manuals for control and guys who wanted autos for the same reason. I can tell you every fire that had sugar sand trails or some muddy trails, manuals were stuck every time. Sugar sand especially. Manuals would slip a little dig down and get stuck and youd smell the clutch burning. The automatic trucks would drive all around on the same fire and wouldn't get stuck. Same tires, same gear. Same rigs....now that aside. My jeeps and off road rigs I've owned both. I don't know, Pros n cons to both.. I've been watching for idk probably 20 years. Since extreme 4x4. Keep up the great work.
Nice lecture on automatics/torque converter vs clutch/manual transmission. 4000hp prostock drag cars use a TH400 to go 250 miles per hour in a quarter mile. You are right they can be tough.
One thing you didn't mention much is the smooth power delivery of an automatic finds more traction.
Good show! Please keep it going.
Love your answer about fabrication fails. Nothing wrong with realizing something isnt right or what you want and redoing your work.
I love my 4 speed. I am running a 406FI/465/205 on 1 tons with 5:38 gears. With this gearing and the low end torque of my healthy V8. I don't slip the clutch that much. And I like the KISS method.
I love the tire control of a manual trans. way better in the snow but also feel the lack of low gear when on the rocks. or hill climbs. over all I love the manual trans!!
Lack of low gear comes down to transmission choice. The are plenty of options with really low gears
Ian: I have been meaning to ask whatever happened to the Scout 800 Project you built on the other TV series. That is one of the first projects I remember watching after I got cable tv. I loved that project! Scout 345 V-8 and 700R4 trans. Just plain cool!
Great discussion about transmissions!
35's on 17" and 6 spd manual... 2012 JKU. Appreciate your knowledge on this. Good video.
I had a Chevy Luv (my girlfriend told me it had nothing to do with romance) and a Datsun truck back in the '70s. If you wanted 4x4 you had to make your own. They worked good around the farm and tooling around with 2 wheel drive.
thanks for sharing, enjoy your content
I was a manual all the way person, but a good auto is pretty hard to beat, and a built auto will wipe the floor with a manual in a drag race. After learning how to modulate the brakes with the throttle to get out of some situations where a locker would have helped and I didn't have a locker, I think you can get much better power modulation with an auto.
1 advanatage of manual over auto, is in MUD. In a manual you can do rapid forward/reverse shifts and use momentum to "rock" yourself out of a slippery situation. With an auto box the forward/reverse shifts are slow and force you to effectively standing start in each direction. This can be just enough to ensure you stay stuck.
Note, these commentss are with factory standard gearboxes.
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Yep, my rig is a manual and before adding the second transfer case (crawl box) I had to slip the clutch to control the speed when crawling. With the crawl box, it’s a whole new game. I liked the manual before, I love it now with the crawl box. I have a 200:1 final drive ratio.
That's nice when you have room for a crawl box. Tjs are a bit short for that I think.
@@rcmike09 you could do a 4 speed atlas.
How about a trail tool kit walkthrough.
I think the best comment I've heard on automatic vs. manual goes back to low engine speeds. If you were to just cruise down the paved street at near idle, do you want a manual or an automatic? Of course, you can't stall the automatic. In a large luxury car, a manual is never the correct choice. For low speed cruising, for crawling along at a few miles per hour, the automatic is a clear winner.
Certainly, in off road or more difficult situations, we most often have the luxury of higher RPM needed to deal with difficult situations, so we can afford a higher than engine stall speed RPM. Yet, in so many situations, the ability to idle along at crawl speed can be advantageous, and in this the automatic is vastly superior. Sometimes we just need to crawl carefully through a situation, and the manual leaves us either burning our clutch to keep it going, or setting our speed to the stall RPM rather than how fast we want to go.
Like the 20 foot Cadillac or Lincoln pounding the pavement, so to the vehicle on snow, ice, mud, gravel, or any off road situation may prefer to not worry about engine stall speed for its low speed purpose. Easy, smooth, apply power slowly and as needed.
If anything, the clutch and its ability to slip is the advantage of manuals in low traction environments. On snow and ice especially, you may sacrifice some clutch for control by letting it slip, but the ability to control it can control traction very successfully in many situations better than any automatic.
My first truck was a granny 4 speed. I smoked the clutch but still drove for 2 weeks. It was fun to find the right rpm and slip into the next gear with no clutch. But t400 install I was way happier
Looking for the video with the TJ behind you. specifically on the frame build up.
A lot of guys that I wheel with that run manuals do it for that granny gear 1st gear. 80s and 90s Toyotas have that 5.15 first gear and certain Jeeps have that 6.68
Big fan of 10" of sidewall as a general rule. I find it's the sweet spot.
I have a good friend that comes over and builds with me and he use to get mad when I would stop and cut stuff we have built out. After you have done stuff wrong and hated it you just can’t stand it!!
Every year I look forward to seeing the concept vehicles presented by Jeep at Moab EJS. Do you have a favorite one of those they’ve done? And what’s a concept vehicle you wish they’d build?
Discuss regearing axles vs. adding a reduction box or doubler.
Did you intentionally give yourself devil horns on your thumbnail? 😂 😈
I did not....but now that you said that...it is all I see
I’m pretty sure that little diesel Datsun had a 60/14 bolt combo.
Don’t have experience with automatic off-roader.
All I have is:
87 samurai on 32”
88 sas dual case 4Runner on 37”
85 4Runner on 35”
Manual makes it fun imo
What happened to the Suburban Gorilla build. It was one of my favorites.
My 2014 JK is not so much a daily driver anymore, but I do drive it a lot in the summer. The stock seats are fine, but I'd really like to put some suspension seats in it with 4 point harnesses for safety. What's your take on reclining suspension seats? I want something to secure me in the Jeep, but also be comfortable for me and my wife if we want to go on a Sunday drive. I don't know if I have ever noticed what kind of seats you put into your builds.
I remember running 44's on a 15 inch wheel.
Me too
What are your thoughts on shackle flips on the rear of full size rigs. I noticed when you lifted the ramcharger you opted for rear spring packs instead. Also on full size rigs would mounting the rear springs under the frame (like a Toyota) make the truck to unstable?
why no all independent suspension 4WD vehicle good video thanks
What’s the smallest tire you would go on a 17 before it hinders off-road performance? I was hoping for 33s on a 17 for a good mix, but would the stock 16s be better? Thanks for all you do!!
As somebody who runs a 37 on a 15" wheel - I have to say don't do it. Not because of how it handles, though yes I do feel the tire flexing on the wheel in single digit pressures. But because there are so few options in tires that size these days. You've got Interco, one toyo, and one Maxxis (the Creepy Crawler is advertised as 38 but I just measured a brand new set at 36.5....sent them back because of it). Move up to a 17" wheel and you have every tire you can think of to choose from. I already have the wheels and tires for my next rig. 40" Mickeys on 17" wheels.
What is more important when selecting off highway tires, the material the tread is made of or the shape of the void areas between the tread blocks?
I would have lost that bet 😅 ( pertaining to your preference regarding manual or auto ) .. I could have sworn in a conversation ( blog style vid ) you had with Nate Pickle ( dirt lifestyle ) you stated you preferred the driver interaction you have with a manual as opposed to a auto , like descending down a steep grade and riding out low range thus keeping brakes from heating up ect … anyways , as always it’s a pleasure to hear your insight and vast knowledge sir 👍🏼👍🏼
With the R2.8 yes...but my choice is Turbo 400 ALL DAY
@@BigTireGarage yes sir , can’t argue with that tried and proven trans especially when built correctly 👍🏼👍🏼
(WHERE IS IT NOW) I always loved the toyota mini and trekking tacoma. Do you know where they are now and more importantly which one did you like more?
What ever happened to the suburban gorilla? I think i saw some pictures of it that looked like it burned down, but wasn't 100%. And you have given me so many ideas and new ways to look at my build for my dakota, it's gonna be a project but it'll be well worth it, or I'll find out why no one builds dakotas lol
Next QandA....it took a while to get to it...because it is a hard story to tell
Fluid coolers, more specifically power steering, are you a tube and fin, stacked plate, heat sink, or run it through a non used transmission cooler that’s built into the radiator
Also for auto vs manual..... manual trans can be difficult on the trail with stock gearing... if you have moderate low gears, you don't have to ride the clutch so much...
I would be afraid of trying to double clutch with my third foot while trying to find reverse before I tip all the way backwards 😬. Auto off road, stick on the street for me.
Grear video!! A burnt clutch won't move a vehicle. What you were describing would have been a faulty slave cylinder, linkage, or cable.
Get enough heat into that burnt clutch and it will grab...trust me
15x8 Canyon rims with 35x12.50R15 and 1.5" spacers on my TJ. I am getting some hand me down aluminum rims with 3.75" BS so I can get rid of the spacers.
The first time I remember watching you was on extreme 4X4. I believe it was on Spike T.V.but I could be wrong! I lost my cable T.V. Subscription so I never saw the final build! You and Jesse Combs was building a Ranger. First, we’re is the Ranger? Secondly, do you keep in touch with Jesse?
She passed away a couple years ago in an accident. RIP
Discuss tire size / axle / horsepower / combinations.
What would you do to an 89 xj that you could not add frame stiffeners too. All rotted out. Don't see any videos of fabricating a frame to replace. In my mind it's adding a u channel or box frame unless you know a better way. Thanks
Auto vs manual..... plus you can go from forward to reverse quick.... it's becoming more available to get reverse valve bodies tho too
I feel like I'm waiting for my 4BT to come back in style, like that dress shirt I have in my closet I bought 15 years ago. 🙂 Should I just keep running it? Or are the benefits of the r2.8 worth it?
If you have the 4bt in the truck working.....leave it alone....if you build another rig that you want a 2.8 in....that is what I would do
What gear reductions do you like in your transfer case 2.72 or 4 to 1 ect? Do you prefer chain driven or gear driven cases?
Is it better to have inside wheel well covers that are metal or have no covers at all?
I have a 06 rubicon I know the front 44 is low pinion and a high pinion is stronger. My question is how much stronger is the high pinion compared to the low. Plan on running a 37” tire
Will you be doing a project just for the UA-cam channel. And what would you pick?
Ian if you was to build a new suburban gorilla what would you change if anything?
Could you make a video on the r2.8 build how's it been anything you would change about it how's the motor holding up
Sure thing
Ok the waiting is killing my . What happend to the crawler hauler. The cab over with the d max . Truly my favorite
It actually had a 12 valve in it...
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you smoke your clutch, you’re not driving home. There’s nothings left to grab onto the flywheel. If you lose your master or slave cylinder you can get home, but you just can’t push in the clutch to come to a stop.
Depends on what heppens to the clutch I have seen it both ways...If the pressure blate ends up melti g to the flywheel you can get out...but when a clutch is worn...it normally still has some grab....but technically you are right...if you wear out the clutch material it will not engage
what's your thought on iroks? everyone in the nw runs them or tsl's
as per your first question... wheel size v tire size. you touched on width...it's too bad the wheel manufactures don't offer a beadlock wheel any wider than 9". sure some of the unobtainium brands that go for big bucks do, or even custom, but any tire bigger wider than a 12.5 should go on a 10" wide wheel.
Well actually the wheel width is measured differently on a true beadlock...so a 9" or 9 5" beadlock is actually a 10" or 10.5" wheel
@@BigTireGarage say what? Never heard of this before. My last set of allieds were 9" wide wheel and by mounting it on the outside it became a 9.5. Us snow wheelers need wider wheels!!!!!!!
what ever happened to the Isuzu ramp truck ? from your old tv show
Smallest tire for popular axle swaps.
I think you need to RE-think your clutch remark, I’ve never had a clutch go out in a vehicle or semi or farm equipment & it locks in gear, when my clutch’s wear out they won’t make enough friction to move the vehicle in any gear so it’s the same as an automatic on the trail during a breakdown of the coupling device be it an automatic or manual in my opinion, just my 2 cents
I got one for you. Can IFS or IRS be equal to solid axle in rock crawling? And how do portals come into play?
Watch Ultra4 and decide for yourself. IFS, IRS, solid axle all have their spots.
I am planning on a build using an automatic. I want to keep as little amount of electronic things as possible. I am looking at 5.9 12v with 700r4, so I have an overdrive. What do you think?
Would go 4l80 with manual v body
What ever happened to the budget buggy with Toyota axles and Honda engine with a trans axle
Once you pick the 3 questions for you video, why do you always start with question number 1? Don’t you think you should occasionally change it up a little?
What are the best Automatic transmission parts company do you find that builds the bomb proof transmission? Also do you shift your automatic transmission when on the trail.
Explain how axle wrap breaks u joints.
I have a 97 tj 4.0 5 speed ax15. I want to swap to an auto. It's a street, rock, trail rig. I wanna swap to a auto with overdrive. What would you put in it?
That is a tough one, because the overdrive trans for that rig is computer controlled...honestly...I would LS swap that rig with a 4L80
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LoL, depends on everything.
I'm sure you know what you think I want.
I want an auto going uphill...manual coming down🤠🤠🤓✌
I know its a silly question, but…
How do you like your coffee?
Why don't you build Toyota toy's? And what happened to the one from you old network?
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BroDozer? Never heard that before lol. They also squat their trucks her in SC too... no one thinks it looks good except for their boyfriends who've squated their trucks too
Shoe for every foot
Sweeeeeet! Thanks for the not answer? l😆
I’ve heard that theoretically, all things equal, a larger wheel will net slightly more axle clearance while still maintaining the same low psi. I’ve never tested it irl and it may be negligible if any, just something I’ve heard in the past.
Nooo last question is what is the greatest fabrication fail that you built (all the way) and it failed on the trail. Not a bad decision that you rectified. So what was it? Actually failed on the trail. You can answer that!
I was almost ready to trash your description of manual transmissions as soccer mom bullshit. Kept watching though so will not do that . Still I'm from the era of learning to drive just leave it at that . Granny low for ever . Keep up the good work
Auto all day. I've never seen someone get in a bad situation because he has an automatic transmission but I've seen a lot of bad situations caused by mistakes with manual transmissions.
If you haven't had fab fails you haven't done any. Just saying
Standard transmission is the only way to go, blow up your automatic and it's done but a standard is probably still going to work in one gear and you can push start a standard