Pelagos 39 Or Black Bay 54/58? Best Tudor Diver?
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
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Yes I kept saying the Pelagos was 300 Meters of WR. I know it's 500M. I was sick. I blame that!
I get asked all the time, which Tudor dive watch should I get? Since I've had hands on with all six over extended periods of time, I thought I had a good insight into which to buy when and why.
00:00 Intro
01:06 Breakdown Of Models
01:41 Pelagos 42 (OG)
03:32 Pelagos FXD
05:10 Pelagos 39
06:36 Black Bay (OG)
08:06 Black Bay 58
10:14 Black Bay 54
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Had the Pelagos 39 for 4 months now - never comes off my wrist as I forget about it but it is so convenient, wears so well and looks great. My Rolex, Bulgari Octo, GMT and a few others rarely see the light of day now
I've worn a Rolex as my daily watch for 15 years. My current daily is a Pelagos 39. Couldn't be happier with it. They're becoming easier to get hold of now thankfully.
Great video, first time watcher and have my subscription. Good concept well executed, keep it up
Really enjoyed this video! Tudor puts out so many nice watches, I love my BB58!
Thanks! Agreed they do it right.
Just in time! I picked up a Pelagos 39 today from a grey dealer. Just waiting shipment now
I recently consolidated a few Tudors (Harrods, BB GMT, BB 58 blue) towards a Moser. Still kept the BB58 bronze, the P39 and the BB GMT S&G and am very content. The P39 is a wonderful watch. Tried the BB54 and must also say, very nice, maybe a tad too small for me personally but love the slimness and overall vibe.
Love the 54. Had it sold it for a profit and regretted it ever since. I want it back and I own the BB58 blue! It’s the perfect vintage watch
Great presentation and explanations. Informative and concise. Subscribed.
I have the P39 and love it. Such a comfortable watch. I'd really love a BB58 too, but not without the T-fit clasp. Here's hoping they add this in an update some time soon.
The BB54 is such a lovely watch. I'm not a grail guy but that would surely be the one. Who knows.
Pelagos 39 the best daily watch in my opinion!
Agreed, I’ve been wearing mine flat out despite having some more expensive/hype options available
Not for me bb54 🙃
How can the black baby better it doesn't have a divers extension...
7.5" wrist here. Tried on the BB58 and thought it was too small, so definitely the 54 would be too small as well. The Pelagos was nice but maybe a little too thick in my opinion. I'd love a thinner Pelagos 39!
The Blue on the Pelagos is just amazing! 😍 For me personally, the fixed lugs/NATO straps are a deal-breaker. So the Pelagos OG is the best fit for me!
I regret selling the FXD, but I partly did so due to always changing straps, maybe I will get one again. I have the 58 and got the 54 as fell in love with it straight away, it is special. Maybe my taste has changed to smaller after getting a Zenith Defy classic?
The think about the BB54 and the Pelagos 39 is not only the smaller size, but the clasps for sizing. I'd get one of those, probably the Pelagos (no faux rivets).
I think the blue 58 is the best diver Tudor make, maybe not as a tool cos it doesn’t have the glide lock, but as a modern interpretation of a classic - no custard lume no faux vintage nonsense beyond the rivets - just about perfect
The new black bay with red bezel on a jubilee type bracelet really looks good, but if the pelagos 39 has other colours would go for that..
The handsome dude of the BlackBay family is the 58 Gilt dial. The best watch with the best overall design is the big Pelagos.
I'm subconsciously saving up for the inevitable Pelagos 39 in blue, maybe next year. I mean, it has to happen, right?
I bought a Blue BB58 December 2020; I decided I wanted a nice watch, went and tried some on, researched what was available at the time and landed on the blue. I'm not a collector (little chance I'll drop £3000 on another watch in my lifetime) but since then, I've kept an eye on the market and try to look at these things objectively. I can say that I am still very much content with my choice and agree that it is an absolute package, do anything, dress up/ down watch. The only subsequent release I have been tempted to trade into is the FXD but I think the limitations of the fixed lugs keeps me content. The P39 is also somewhat tempting, but not enough to push me to do something about it. I think if I was to buy now, I would be hard pressed to decide between those three.
It’s definitely a tough choice. For how you’ll use it, sounds like you made the right one!
The FXD is the best watch they have made so far.
Which vanishes more between P39 and BB54?
What is a countdown bezel and why is this one?
Just a nitpick, aesthetically I agree, that the Yachtmasters are just a more luxurious Submariner, but the Yachtmasters are all “only” 100m water resistant. It’s weird, really, because it kind of makes the Yachtmaster the only watch in the Professional lineup without a true purpose. They should have at least made it 200m water resistance to give it a leg up on a DJ, GMT, Daytona or any other model in terms of water resistance, even if it’s more symbolic than anything else.
The Pelagos 39 is what the Submariner should be, because it’s titanium?
I tried both BB58 and P39. I prefer the warmth and vintage hue of BB. Pelagos was a bit too clinical and chunky in terms of height. Also long term I think Black Bay line will age better as it if more classic 👍🏼
Enjoying your vids man - ive a 16570 and considering getting a pelagos 39 - which wears larger?
they should basically wear the same. 16570 is 12.2mm thickness and 47.5mm lug to lug. Pelagos 39 is 11.8mm and 47mm lug to lug.
Love it!
Funny that’s your wife liked the BB58 too. I brought mine home and my wife put it on immediately! She wore it for a week! She never had any interest in any of my watches. I have the blue and wear it in rubber strap or Tudor Nato.
It’s definitely an easy watch for both to wear!
Pelagos 42 in black, all day every day.
P39 looks like the minecraft version of the Rolex sub.
I don’t get why no UA-camr, talks about the square markers on the Pelagos line, I’m my eyes it just makes for a better overall design fit, with the Tuder square hour and minute hands, square next to square, just makes sense imo
I think I do talk about it here, but if not, check out my video comparing the Pelagos to the BB58, it's one of the main reasons I prefer the Pelagos
I really like Tudor, apart from the unnecessary spec sheet that they insist on printing on the dial. It ruins the look, for me.
Really having a hard time deciding between the Pelagos 42 and the FXD. Which would you recommend in a collection with several other dive watches?
I have had the FXD for a year now and I still look at it in awe. Couldn’t be happier with it.
@@bobsyouruncle113 thank you!
@@bobsyouruncle113 for me the FXD is perfect. Love mine.
I’d love to find high quality straps in the same style as the OEM.
I absolutely adore my BB54 but the Pelegos is just to sweet not to make me want it as well. I’m being wishful in thinking I’ll be able to fulfill my modern diver itch with a new sub from an AD.
*laughs in Rolex*
Bb54!!
I have the FXD, but would definitely like to add either the Pelagos 39 or the BB54. Kind of really dislike the BB rivet bracelet though. Just make it a standard oyster style…
I like Tudor but I’m going to get an Omega Planet Ocean this year. I feel like I’m making a compromise with Tudor in some ways. Omega is more refined to me.
Good watch- the Planet Ocean but too thick for me. I am all about comfort.
I really like the new black bay with the 5 link bracelet but the size is just too big for me and very in your face because of the burgundy red, although i love the colour. BB54 might be it for me though, explorer 36 would also be really really nice but i cannot justify the price difference and the customer experience to try and get one.
For be it is the BB58. I have a family heirloom Rolex Sub 6538. I tried the 54 but it does not wear like the 6538. I understand not everyone is going for the 58 to wear something like a 6538 but I did because you will never catch e wearing that watch in the wild.
I tried the 54 and it is beautiful and feels great. Not too small in reality but it doesn’t give me that 6538 feeling. The 6538 or better put the 58 feels and wears almost exactly.
The 6538 dimensions are as follows: 37.5-38mm x 47.5 lug to lug x 15.2mm thickness. Also the crown is 8mm. The BB58 is 39mm x 11.9mm thickness x 47mm lug to lug. Both sport 20mm lug width.
So for me the BB58 is truer to that big crown if that is what anyone is looking for without have to spend 250K on a vintage Rolex. Let me tell you the BB58 is where it’s at when speaking about vintage. Oh forgot it has a 6.5mm crown. Just my thoughts. The Pelagos feels like the 5 digit sub. Great watch and in all honesty any choice you make with picking of the three isn’t wrong. All great choices!
Lastly, I would wait until 2028. Something tells me Tudor is going to revamp the 58. They may shrink it down to 38mm with better gnarling on the bezel like the 54 and a crown that will be flush to the case. I have a funny suspicion on it but just a wild guess so if you don’t have a 58 you might want to wait.
Thanks for the insite. But you’d wait 5 years until 2028 for a new 58?^^ must be a typo. Rather just get one and sell it for a new one. What I would do though, is wait for the 58 to gef the new T Fit clasp like the 54. There’s great benefit in that if you have wrists that swell and shrink
@@Bisley1
Yes, wait. You will find it hard to part with your 58 once you get one. I don’t plan on selling this original from 2018. Once you get one it’s a keeper. Also, they are not going to go up in value nor do I predict they will go down but they could. Patience is a virtue but each his own. Forgot to mention I have a 5 digit sub from 2005-06 D- Series which I bought for about 3500 maybe a little more. Cannot remember exactly how much but the 39mm Pelagos wears very similar obviously lighter. Coincidentally I prefer the 5-digit sub, two liner without the signed Renault or four lines. It’s the last series to be closer to that ol school sub. Also, only my opinion.
Unpopular opinion: Pelagos 39 was on my list to buy even though I'm not a fan of Tudor's Snowflake hour hand, but given how well balanced the rest of the watch is, I wanted to get it. Then I realised it is only grade 2 titanium whereas Citizen uses much better quality titanium on it's much cheaper watches. So, it's not on my list anymore. If you're buying quartz, solar or titanium watches it's better to buy Japanese as they just do it better. That's not a subjective opinion, but an objective observation.
Yes, grade 5 is technically superior to grade 2 titanium. The question is, would that really impact day to day wearability or significantly impact your enjoyment of the Pelagos? What environment are you planning on wearing the watch? IMO these are the more important questions.
If you are primarily concerned with grade 5 titanium, GS is one of the best options for a luxury watch. Citizen is not (yet) in remotely the same league as Tudor, however, they are beginning to push upmarket.
@@tedj9 I am well aware that Tudor is a semi-luxury brand and Citizen is an affordable brand. My point was why would I spend more money on a watch when I know another cheaper watch is made with a better material? I was not comparing the brands, they cater to different segments of the market. Since you brought that up; you might not know Citizen also has a luxury sub-brand like Grand Seiko and their work with titanium (and overall finishing) does rival with GS. They were actually the first company to manufacture a watch made with titanium. They also created the first solar watch and the current most accurate watch is from Citizen as well. Judging brands by their price point is not a great idea, just like how it's not fair on Tudor to carry the stigma of being 'poor man's Rolex'.
@@ozmondos Yes, I am quite aware of Citizen The Citizen and their history, why I raised the point of them moving up market. Quartz and solar movements are a very different market segment and are not really a great comparison to Tudor. The Citizen is more of a GS competitor with a much less diverse product line that does not YET really compete with Swiss mechanical watches.
Serious question, would you buy a watch with 316L steel? Because Ball has watches that use 904L. Why would you ever buy an Omega or anything more expensive than Ball with a worse case material? The point is specs are not the end all be all in luxury watches. There is much more to the decision. If case materials are your primary concern then that’s perfectly fine. You are just significantly limiting experiencing many watches you may enjoy.
@@tedj9 What kind of titanium is used matters to me since grade 2 titanium picks up more stratches easily. I have a GS made of titanium which has held up pretty well. 904L is less corrosive than 316L but that is inconsequential since I hardly take my watches swimming in the sea and I haven't experienced any corrosion in any of my 316L steel watches. Also, I don't like the design of Ball watches. However, I really like Omega's co-axial movement. 'In house movement' label is used as a marketing gimmick but in reality most in house movements are based on age old ETA movements. Omega's co-axial movement is unique in that regard. I suppose we all look for something different in this hobby.
@@ozmondos Have the scratches on your 316L watches been bothering you? They scratch more easily than grade 5 titanium as well...
At least we agree everyone has different watch buying priorities and there is not a one size fits all.
I guess it would be too much to ask for the 39mm version in blue with a matte dial and bezel.. we'll see
I really like the new BB54
If you can't afford the rolex sub the 58 is a good watch but once you get the sub you won't wear the 58.
The helium escape valve is why the 42 can go deeper. That and its a better watch! bahaha
The 54 literally is the modern submariner - much more than the Pelagos 39. I really like the Pelagos 39 but can’t get past that shiny bezel and dial combo which diminishes the utilitarian ethos
How would the BB54 be the modern Submariner? It is an exact replica of a 1954 Tudor Sub. There is no original modern design Iand has completely vintage proportions.
Pelagos is more rugged. 500m water resistant not 300m, thicker and more flat sapphire = greater resistance to shattering. Larger case in a lighter thicker softer metal = more impact resistance. I know, I have 5 Tudors and work in industry.
10:40
I'd say Pelagos
The only best diver is the one I'm willing to pay for. The P42, to me, is the perfect size and is perfectly built. The P39 however is too small for my personal taste. Oh and it's 500m and not 300m =).
Good review! Im sure people will find this video informative!
I was thinking that, in reality the ‘39’ looks precisely the same as a 40 sub and even the 41 sub
Yes you're right. I put it in the description. I was sick, so that's my excuse!
@WristSwap LOL I know! Just giving you a hard time! Thanks for sharing!
Too many lines of text on the dials it’s like a short story
54 is too small for men. I like RANGER.
tell me you’re insecure, without telling me you’re insecure, it’s 37,2 mm like a lot! of dress watches and even smaller then that 😂
Don't buy Tudor.
Why???