The HUGE Pressure On The New SUPERMAN Movie - The Road To Superman #22
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- Hey everyone, welcome back to The Road to Superman. This is the web series where we follow all the latest updates and rumours regarding the Superman reboot. This is episode 22 and today we have a very important topic to talk about. Depending on who you ask, the pressure on the new Superman movie will vary. Some will say it only has to break even to be a success and others will say it needs to make a billion dollars and today I will talk about my thoughts on this subject.
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Dude the boxoffice is dropping because they are giving g thr fans garbage 🗑. It has nothing to do with them making less than a billion. Marvel has been giving us a much of trash films lately. They keep on changing up characters and not sticking to the source material. That's why it's not grossing over a billion.
I get what you're laying down and I agree entirely. Actually I think DC could finally take the trophy from Marvel for good. Time will tell...
Marvel oversaturated the genre. Even DC will struggle under this. Then its superman, never was a boxoffice draw at all.
even so, If Superman is a good film, it won't be the failure of the film that warrants the box office, it will be the unjustified hate towards Gunn form the fans. all the hate towards Gunn is all from Cavill being let go, even though Cavill was brought back by the rock
As a long standing Superman fan, firstly thank you for your very fair and none bias videos. Quality stuff.
I have to admit, I was very excited for this movie and still kind of am… but the suit…. It not only underwhelmed me and the majority of fans, but it also shows me an insight into his thought process and quality process. It’s not even remotely close to what fans wanted or expected. It shows Gunn actually doesn’t have a remote clue what most fans want to see. Most fan edits of the suit and the real suit edits have been FAR far superior to the actual one released. How can this be possible? How can the guy whose job it is get it so wrong already?
I have zero experience in designing suits but my design would’ve have social media loving it. Very sad, can’t wait for it but I’ve definitely now lowered my expectations since the suit reveal.
I think this movie will have similar problems with The Batman. People hated the castings, suits, over abundance of characters, and many thought it would fail. But it came out, and everyone was wrong and it started a new universe. I initially HATED the fact that Pattinson was going to play Batman, but now he’s my favorite version and The Batman is my favorite movie of all time. I think Superman will do good enough, with at least 75% on rotten tomatoes and will probably make around $650-700 million and will probably have a budget of around $175-200 million. Gunn seems to be using cheaper alternatives, like building sets and giving small actor’s their big break.
If only Gunn can make a superman film that is respectable in every aspect, no petty jokes, no fairy tale endings, no naive unrealistic optimism, something that would show superman rising from a challenge through an awe inspiring moment with integrity and not via a danceoff or wtv childish diversionary tactics. But knowing Gunn Im sure he rather have his jokes and corny parent to child im-proud-of-you moments stand out.
I agree with all the points you made in this video. This movie needs to do well, mainly because Superman is my all-time favourite superhero and it needs to warrant dropping Cavill and Hoechlin. That suit custom fix is badass!
My concern is Gunn. He is the writer and the director. Does he have the self-restraint to make a Superman movie instead of a James Gunn movie with a Superman like character in it? People are saying, "Look at guardians"... Well, guardians was never as well known Superman. I'm open to whatever comes along, but i simply do not understand the blind faith in Mr Gunn. His overly sappy interpretation of emotion and juvenile sense of hunour is not what a Superman movie needs imo. He needs to seriously raise his game, if he is capable of doing so. It needs to be an ernest and sincere attempt.
Oh be ready for all the penis and cum jokes as seen in his Suicide Squad reboot and Peacemaker..
And I'm not sure he has it in him.
I wouldn’t say millions well Snyder fans and possibly dc fans but they would be interested if it was a huge departure from the Snyderverse and is similar to the classic superman but at that point the name dceu is stuck with failure like by the time Shazam came out no one cared anymore that’s why the box office failed with bvs suicide squad and josstice league it killed people’s interest it got worse and worse like 2016 was the downfall year Snyder is just to unappealing to audiences and is too into his style and imagery that everything is thrown in even if it makes plot holes and becomes style over substance why make a film in a continuing failing universe than restart everything and regain trust and interest cause Gunn is more appealing to people cause of his guardians films and hell even his suicide squad film is a favourite for many not just fans sure cavil got screwed over cause I see where your coming from he is perfect for the role but he just stuck in a failed universe people see Pattinson and see a new Batman and they see cornswet and see a new superman they see cavil and Affleck and remember the Martha line and the cgi upper lip not the best things for that reputation
I don't think his restraint to make a "Gunn film" is an issue, of course a director will have his own distinct style of filmmaking, it doesn't mean he will make a "Gunn film" with a superman like character. making a film with a directors distinct style that undermines the character of superman, is exactly what Snyder did. Gunn only uses humor if it fits the characters, when Star lord's mother was dying in the first 10 minutes of GOTG 1 it was not funny. When the Guardians rushed to save rocket after the first fight with Adam warlock injured him was not funny. You're confusing the MCU's style of cutting seriousness with a joke, and Gunn putting in humor to express the characters not only for laughs but also to reveal the heart of the characters. That is why we have faith in Gunn because when it comes down to it, he wants to truly show the heart of the characters in his films. He took it upon himself to direct and write the film himself, He must have a specific story he wants tell, He stated that he wanted to tell a story that is true to the character of superman but is still different and new to be worth doing a big blockbuster about.
@@jjeteuati264 Gunn does let serious stuff happen but he doesn’t go overboard cause unlike Snyder he knows what he’s working with is weird and bizarre ideas humour is needed in theses flicks cause it’s a talking raccoon and a tree same with the suicide squad it’s a talking shark and a guy who shoots poka dots you can’t take that seriously as for superman that isn’t serious sure it has conflict and drama and Gunn can do drama more than Snyder cause well Snyder uses the image with no soul with fake art writing while Gunn puts the emotion and characters in to make the film work for Christ sake he made more people cry at a raccoon than people cried at cavil dying in bvs up by the end of the day superheroes are a bit odd and silly even the Batman questions this and jokes are needed to make the film not be too dry but I know Gunn will keep the heart of the character and drama that comes with him and that’s what makes me excited for this movie
In my opinion if James Gunn's Superman doesn't do more than break even theatrically,it's a failure. Anything at or less than the combined production and marketing costs should be regarded as a failure. Especially because there's no home media safety net anymore.
You explained the feelings of every DC fan...😌🦸
Too soon to reboot the dcu. Should have waited a few years perhaps focusing on elseworld movies instead
I think it should have been done earlier.
AGREED. MOS made $ 668 million at the box office,MOS 2 already had a built in audience,why reboot after MOS ???
@@user-be7tc2bd6e Zack Snyder's first two flicks, "Man of Steel" and "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice," had folks hyped because they featured Superman and Batman, two of the biggest names in comics. But, you know, just because those two did okay doesn't mean everything was smooth sailing for the DCEU. There were still some bumps, like not-so-great reviews and financial hiccups. Then came "Aquaman" and "Wonder Woman," and hey, they did pretty well! People loved 'em. But even with those wins, it's not like they magically erased all the past problems.
So, it makes you wonder, why would Warner Bros want to keep pouring money and effort into a franchise that's had its fair share of stumbles? I guess it all comes down to whether they see a bright future ahead for the DCEU, if fans are still hungry for more, and what their game plan is moving forward.
@@francism4226 I'm still-SHOCKED-the first Aquaman film made $1 billion dollars !!! Holy unexpected-BATMAN. LOL.
@@user-be7tc2bd6e Yea, but you should try to look at the bigger picture. MOS and Batman V Superman had every advantage a movie could have and they still underperformed. You cannot look at the Sucess of MOS alone as a reason to continue a failing franchise.
🚨 FACTS: Success for any movie depends on the cost to make it as you know. If this movie makes $700 million.
⭐️ Gunn has no responsibility on Cavill.
🚨 WB and Discovery did not want to pay Cavill. If Cavill would had taken less money he may be Superman today.
🚨 Good Business is to start with a clean slate. Unfortunately my favorite show Superman and Lois is being cancelled.
I am DC Fan but it’s not our money. People are acting like DC doesn’t have financial issues. I like Cavill and MOS is one of my favorite movies but what WBD sees is historically Cavill did not bring in the money they wanted and he cost to much for the reboot.
- This decision is made above Gunn.
🚨 UNDERSTANDING THE PHOTO:
Let us break this photo down. (Gunn confirmed the picture of the suit is in camera and has not gone through any post):
I believe the pink sphere in the picture is Solaris. Gunn is inspired by All Star Superman: I believe Solaris was one of the villains in All Star Superman. Solaris has injured Superman and have blocked the yellow sun while fighting Superman; this is wear the damage on suit came from. I see a green light striking Solaris in the picture as well. Superman may be injured and weaken from the first fight. Green Lantern and others are distracting Solaris while Superman recovers. Solaris is overcoming the other heroes and weakened, Clark Kent witnesses they need his help. They need Superman.
⭐️ In this picture, a weakened Superman is putting on his boots for round 2, he beaten and injured but he is preparing suit back up to fight Solaris, who is blocking the sun, all odds are against Clark but he is the beacon of hope; he is Superman. Now in this photo Superman is preparing to give his all to save the other heroes and the world.
⭐️ I recently rewatched All Star Superman. Solaris and Lex plays a big part; and, I believe the other in heroes are replacing the fortress of solitude robots to fight Solaris.
♦️Solaris is a Superman Character.
Solaris, the Tyrant Sun, has appeared in other comics:
- Superman: DC One Million
- Superman: Last stand of Krypton
- Superman: Annual #12
- Superman/Batman #80-81
- Superman: Action Comic #782
- Superman: Man of Steel #115
- Superman: All-Star Superman.
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I want to add, in the comic or animated movie of “All Star Superman,”Superman needs help from his robots to combat Solaris; Lex get power and is working with Solaris:
1. Well in the image James release you see a green light beam striking top of Solaris.
2. Instead of the robot, this is why you need all the other heroes; they replace his robots and are an integral part of the overall story. (Gunn said this)
3. Lex will probably trick the Engineer in finding the fortress. (Remember, there we report during the time of the Crest reveal, the Engineer was in the snow with Superman. She probably found the fortress of solitude and something to give Lex powers; and Lex some way made a deal with Solaris.
4. Gunn is taking inspiration from the New 52, All Star Superman and Superman All Seasons.
5. 🚨 Gunn should had waited and run the photo through post production before releasing to the public. (I think he released the photo without post because the media may get a bad picture.
Nice breakdown! Thank you for this!
*Actually it us "OUR" money, and we're not giving it to WB anymore, they will either give the fans what we want or WB will go broke*
*#WBwillBendTheKnee*
*#MakeManOfSteel2*
*#HenryCavillIsSuperman*
This is currently how I feel about Superman Legacy. It has a LOT of things it has to do right, and it needs to be the proper kick-off to the DCU, like the first Iron Man was for the MCU. It has a lot of things to live up to, and so far it has yet to do so. Nearly every creative choice has been either questionable or terrible for me, and it sucks for me, cause I do want to be excited for this movie. But so far, nothing has got me hyped up (at least not yet). So it's a very uphill battle that I'm hoping Gunn and co. can reach and succeed. My interest in superhero movies are at an all-time low, so I feel it also has that on it's shoulders, because it'll need to stand out in big and innovative way, much like Iron Man did back in 2008, where it was seen as a both fresh and exciting CBM that even if it didn't start the MCU, it could still be looked at as a great movie on it's own. That's what I hope Superman: Legacy will do and pull off successfully. If it doesn't then I will have lost all hope in CBM's for a very long time.
I think the two biggest factors to Comic book movies failing is 1. Quality, most of the new ones from marvel and DC haven't been good. 2. Inflation, with the economy (especially in the US) its 50 bucks for two tickets. most people don't want to spend that much money at all on a movie and even less people want to watch it in theaters when it will be on HBO MAX in 6-7 months later. They really need to knock it out of the park to pull his vision for the DCU off.
There's a third factor as well, Lack of interest
These movies are on max and Disney plus about 2-3 months afterwards because of the failing box office
No. DCU can shove it
Regardless of the money it makes, I think first and foremost it needs to be good and have the fans and the critics raving about it. That will lead into a much bigger box office in the second movie. Because the problem you have right now is that the DC universe is in such a state that it's going to have to earn back trust from everyone. You do that by starting out making a great Superman movie to open your new universe. But some people may not buy into it right away. So it may take a couple movies before they really get trucking financially. Got to earn the hearts and minds of the people back first. Simple as that. Once you have that, you can start making real money. Batman begins made under 400 million worldwide. The dark Knight made over a billion. So it does happen. And that was after a rough spot with Batman as well considering The Joe Schumacher Batman etc. The character was struggling as far as what they were going to do in the movies. They made a great first movie come back and then the second one blew up. And yes they had Heath ledger but still, that movie would have made Bank either way because it was amazing..
I appreciate your logic but it doesn't work. The DCEU since 2019 has had great reviews but has been terrible at the box office. The movie has to make 600M plus at least.
@@OurMovieNews Besides Batman Begins came out at the height of DVD's. So they had a financial safety net.
@@OurMovieNews yeah I get what you're saying. It's just that hardly any comic book movies are making any money right now so it seems like a big ask especially considering the history of DC here. And even MOS only made like 700 million. I guess only time will tell. Superman is my guy along with Hulk so I hope everything goes like we hope 👍
@@OurMovieNews With Superman, critical response is more important than box office. Need to repair the DC brand with audiences after the DCEU failed to connect.
People forget how much money the movies Zack was involved with made, hugely successful, in an time when the Marvel films were at their peek. MOS released, where we already had the first outing of the Avengers as a group and individual characters already had solo outings, some with more than one movie out at the time.
Very different to their counterparts, but a completely fresh look at the genre which has aged far better. Zacks contribution for WW1 as a co-writer along with Deborah and himself on board as producers also usually go unnoticed.
If the new Superman movie needs to do more than well, it needs to rejuvenate the whole genre if anything because let's face it, it's currently dead, Marvel hugely responsible for flooding the genre with shows and poorly made or rushed movies, and DC heads for thinking following that recipe was the way forward.
I really do hope it does well, more so because as a big Superman fan myself, I want to see the character loved as I have done. Both David and Gunn have some Huge shoes to fill, even the score needs to be on point, it's going to take quite something to top Hans Zimmers theme.
*#BringCavillBack*
*#MakeManOfSteel2*
@@natesmemes1794 shut up already you mindless troll
But straight up ruined dceu
Look at Wonderwoman and aquaman
Performed in both categories better than bvs
@ user Zack Snyder's first two flicks, "Man of Steel" and "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice," had folks hyped because they featured Superman and Batman, two of the biggest names in comics. But, you know, just because those two did okay doesn't mean everything was smooth sailing for the DCEU. There were still some bumps, like not-so-great reviews and financial hiccups. Then came "Aquaman" and "Wonder Woman," and hey, they did pretty well! People loved 'em. But even with those wins, it's not like they magically erased all the past problems.
@abps9947 interesting. Sounds like you personally did not enjoy MOS and BVS, what was your issue with them exactly?
I just feel that the age of big box office Superhero films has passed. Audiences grow and change interests, become dissatisfied with the over saturation and failing quality of the subject matter until time passes and it becomes reinvented or fresh again. I think the decline of Marvel as a powerful film franchise is an example.
G'day it's Steven from Down Under again
You speak the truth and I couldn't agree with you more.
Warner Bros has seriously damaged the DC brand, and the wrong people continue to make terrible decisions.
Ive been a huge Superman fan since i was a boy and Mr Christopher Reeve captured my imagination and made me believe that a man could fly.
I really want this new movie to succeed, not for Gunn's sake but for the character and his reputation.
The new suit is really a bad design that further confirms the mismanagement by Gunn.
Considering the terrible feedback regarding the dark and baggy on-loan MCU suit, you'd think that Gunn would get onto social media ASAP to clear up yet another mess he's created to appease the fans, but Gunn has proven to be a fool and a liar, he has no people skills to communicate via social media and he's run out of lies.
I can be sure that the other arrogant and overpaid fool; Zaslav would've certainly contacted Gunn regarding the suit debacle, and Zaslav would certainly be very concerned right now.
It appears that Warner Bros/ DC have shot themselves in the foot with a very big GUNN.
Exactly!
Sorry but it already came out superman it's budget is more then 360 million $ that's more then man of steel it's budget. And it's not a solo Superman movie but an ensemble cast movie not a solo movie. Everyone hated Snyder's BVS because it had too many characters...!! while Gunn his Superman got double the characters and everyone is fine with that ?? WTF !!!
No that budget isn't real.
@@OurMovieNews or you sure if it's documented and all ??
@@fkim8449 Gunn's debunked it
@@OurMovieNews and Gunn's word is the truth when he made already numerous accounts of lies 🤣🤣
Their filming peace maker simultaneously that could be the reason.
The unknown cast is a big problem for Superman. Holte is a good actor, but he is not a draw, and neither are the others. It is going to be tough to get audiences to turn out and especially if the PR continues to underwhelm. It's getting to the point where every image/clip has to be great, or the film could be DOA - especially if Corenswet does not show a Superman presence in the upcoming PR around him. WBD has to be panicking maybe? The social media numbers for Superman were not good and this reveal only complicates things. What happens if it becomes evident the film will do poorly? Will WBD try to salvage things and release it on streaming instead of putting 150 million into marketing a film that could be another Flash.
Despite the shill news outlets people have already been questioning gunns decisions since he announced the reboot.
Guys, forget a little bit about DCEU, let's see what DCU will bring to the table, and then we will have a saying, bashing it while it's in the making is looking like children hide and seek type of games.
no matter what you liked about it, the dceu was straight-up a failure. A clean slate was needed, and Gunn is one of the best in the business. If anyone can deliver a great Superman movie and a great universe, its him.
@@goldendonut5619 I'm expecting from JG to deliver something good, as he did for TGOTG trilogy, as a clean slate is surely needed.
If the film come out a success still it deserves bashing because how it treated DCEU
Yes, I only care if the movie is good, that’s it.
literally the fans hate in every comment section is the equivalent to saying that you want McDonalds and then Mom says, "there's McDonalds at home" and then throwing a tantrum about it
I’d say it needs to make $700 million to be a genuine success and a strong start. Also needs to be beloved by most people who saw it like The Batman
I'm feeling you on this. 700 to 925 million is my estimate. Over 1.1 billion may not be a good thing. Meaning, if the next DCU movie only makes 625 million after Superman brings in over 1.1 billion, then people will think the DCU is a flop already. That's why I think Superman needs to make under 1.1 billion. 3 things... it needs to be a really good Superman movie, makes a huge profit at the Box Office, and it sets up the DCU going forward. Audiences walks out of theaters, thinking I love where this is going, and I can't wait to see more.
I do not think it is for this movie possible to make more than $700M tbh. 1.Ticket sales are bad since covid, not only in the superhero genre. And you can watch the comfortable up to 6 months after the release in your home. Streaming is killing the box office and it is not even a question. 2.Fandom is splited in two parts that nearly hate one another and suit showcase showed that Gunn tries to appease everyone and I think that is the wrong approach that can lead to a film for nobody. Only Gunn making a movie with a quality of BB or TDK would proceed to break that wall, not even for this movie, but for its sequel and a new DCU as a whole. Even Dune 2, the best movie released since Barbenheimer in my opinion, made only $700M and literally everyone praised this movie.
That's a good point about Dune 2. If Superman isn't an overall masterpiece. It might not even sniff the MOS box office. Honestly Deadpool and Wolverine might struggle to get to a Billion due to the climate.
Y'all forget that superman is Popular, but not that of a boxoffice draw. Never was.
Thank you my friend.
You are so welcome!
Here's the thing.... superhero fatigue is in part due to people being tired of superhero movies, but it is also due to the MCU taking a HUGE nosedive in story quality since Endgame, in my opinion. And the DCEU never had that level of quality, aside from maybe Wonder Woman and Snyder's Justice League cut.
The challenges faced with Superman are many.
1) the DCEU's rep is low. Even with Gunn at the helm, it's going to take some really great movies to change people's perception.
2) superhero movie fatigue is a thing, thanks to the MCU.
3) Superman is not the type of character that is "in" right now. If you look at how popular John Wick movies, The Boys show, and the Invincible cartoon are, it's pretty clear what most folk want to see. The problem with Superman is if you present him how Snyder did, many Superman fans don't like it because he's too dour. Superman should be a beacon of light and hope, someone who smiles at those in danger to try and make them feel their is hope that all will be OK. Problem being, most people don't want to see a boyscout hero today, even if it is what Superman is all about. It's why most people talk about the best scene in Batman V Superman was Batman fighting the thugs in the warehouse.
The big problem is that being DC's flagship character and (arguably) the first superhero, if they don't do a Superman movie, then the new DCU starts on shaky ground. But, that ground is already shaky due to the DCEU's failure and what people are tired of seeing and what they do want to see.
My take is, I would NOT have had Superman be the lead off movie. Batman is arguably as popular as Superman and sell more comics. Wonder Woman left a good taste in people's mouths, at least until the travesty of 1984. Get butts in the seats and some good press going. Build the long term story like the MCU did with Thanos. After all, Marvel Studios started with Iron Man, who was far from Marvel's flagship character, right?
The, when things are moving along and there is a dire need for someone like Superman to save the day, he shows up, then gets his movie.
But, what do I know? I'm not a movie maker or a professional critic. I'v only been reading comics and watching movies for over 50 years.
Great content as always!
Honestly for DC Comics, I hope this movie works, I know that I will be disappointed, but we can't go back now.
Unfortunately
If I was in Gunn’s position I’d do the same thing. So many DCEU movies flopped and there was so much behind the scenes drama that there’s no way the cinematic universe could live it down. Rebooting everything with a clearer vision is the much easier route to take.
Now this is a video where I am in agreement with pretty much everything you’ve said.
The question is: How Gunn deals with the pressure, maybe he doesn't feel it at all?!
scuba diver suit. thats really good man.
There might actually be zero pressure on this movie because they cancelled all those projects due to the sufficient confidence that the studio had in the DC reboot.
The success of the movie is in the hands of fandom
I think DC is economically bad because they have a bad movies behind and wrong decisions.
Superman for me needs to be great
I think James Gunn has the resources to make a good/excellent product
《The Rocky Road to Superman》
...i imagine Zack Snyder (as Bruce Wayne) sitting in the BatCave (like in "BvS") & James Gunn (as The Flash) appearing from The Future & trying to Warn him What goes Wrong with the "DCEU"...
..."I'm Too Late!!!"...
...& i imagine James Gunn (as Bruce Wayne) sitting in the BatCave (like in "BvS") & Zack Snyder (as The Flash) appearing from The Future & trying to Warn him What goes Wrong with the "DCU"...
..."I'm Too Soon!!!"...
...when DC decided to Scrap the entire "DCEU" in favor of ReBooting with the "DCU", i think they threw out alot of good ideas, AND lost alot of good will with many of the Filmakers, the Actors, & the Fans!!!
...instead, i think they should have integrated their new ideas & built upon what was already working...?
...i think DC could have had their Cake AND Eaten it too if they had decided to make the following:
..."Superman Legacy" as a Prequel TV Series starring David Corenswet (written & directed by James Gunn, & co-written by Jeff Loeb??)...
...AND the "MOS2" Movie starring Henry Cavill (written & directed by Zack Snyder, & co-written by Frank Miller??)...
..."The Brave & The Bold" Movie (developed by James Gunn)...
..."The Batman 2" Movie (written & directed by Matt Reeves, & co-written by Jeff Loeb??)...
...AND the "Batman v Deathstroke" Movie (written & directed by & starring Ben Affleck, & co-written by Chuck Dixon??)...
《"Too Confusing...?" wait'll General Audiences get a load of Damien Wayne as Robin?!?》
..."Themyscira" as a Prequel TV Series (developed by James Gunn)...
...AND the third "Wonder Woman" Movie starring Gal Gadot (written & directed by Patty Jenkins, & co-written by Greg Rucka??)...
...the "LOBO" Movie starring Jason Momoa (co-written by Simon Bisley??)...
...AND the third "Aquaman" Movie starring Jason Momoa & Emily Clarke (written & directed by James Wan, & co-written by Peter David??)
👽 🖖 🤖
...ALSO, i think DC should still make the third "Batman" Movie starring Michael Keaton (directed by Tim Burton & written by Caroline Thompson)...
...AND make the "Superman Lives" Movie starring Nicolas Cage (directed by Tim Burton & written by Caroline Thompson)...
...AND/OR make a "Superman/Batman" Movie!!! (with Cage/Keaton & Burton/Thompson)
👽 🖖 🤖
《Adjust Our Mindset》
Thank you!!
You're welcome!
I do hope SUPERMAN will succeed both critically and financially. If it doesn't the DCU is in grave danger.
I do Agree with you everything. this Superman need to make more than Snyder's man of steel cause lot of people i heard saying Man of steel was flop so how will this movie succeed if it's made less then man of steel and also, they can't blame covid for not making money in box off like TSS did. unless Gunn is making this movie with 100 million budget and make 300 million like the First Shazam movie... yes, you're absolutely right people need to love it too. it won't matter if Gunn's fans love it, and box office is nothing... others also need to love the movie especially general audience.
I agree with all of your comments . Superman has to make at least $600 million at the box office to justify replacing 2 good Superman actors prematurely. Gunn's decisions make him look very egotistical and arrogant. He thinks his Superman movie is gonna be the best ever made, he doesn't care about replacing Cavill, and he thinks its ok to retain his DCEU actors/characters for his DCU, but then fire everyone else. These things upset me every time I think about his DCU, so I refuse to support his Superman film.
Same here. Maybe i'll catch it it's 4th week or on a 3rd party site if it's good.
*I am boycotting everything DC studios releases until WB makes things right with Cavill, Affleck, Gadot and the Snyder's*
*#HenryCavillIsSuperman*
*#MakeManOfSteel2*
@@natesmemes1794same
@@natesmemes1794 you’re so unethical because your attempts at boycotting everything that DC studios releases won’t even force WBD to make things right with cavil , Affleck , Gal and Snyder and it won’t force WBD and DC to make man of steel 2 because that movie was cancelled by Henry cavil after he said that he was done as Superman and there are reasons for that :-
1-9 out of 15 theatrically released the old DCEU movies flopped at box office including , 2017’s justice league , birds of prey , Wonder Woman 1984 , the suicide squad , Black Adam , Shazam! 2 fury of the gods , The Flash , Blue beetle and aquaman 2 the lost kingdom
2-The old DCEU had no concrete plan
3-The old DCEU was so inconsistent
4-The DCEU franchise was so bad from the beginning to the end
5-The old DCEU franchise was never 100 percent cohesive and it was doomed to fail by time Zack Snyder announced batman vs Superman : Dawn of justice which turned to be the worst DCEU movie of all time and what happened after that movie is that the old DCEU franchise never gained any monument or any popularity and it caused such a convoluted mess that ended with Aquaman 2 the lost kingdom while the MCU franchise has been so gaining much monument , so much popularity and so much money , I also know that the MCU movies have been so cohesive , so successful and so consistent these past 16 years meaning president of Marvel studios Kevin feige is real winner here who’s so proud of defeating the old DCEU movies at box office , it also means that he mocked at the pervious Warner brothers regime for ruining DC brand so aggressively aka ruining the old DCEU franchise ( Meaning Snyderverse is totally dead by the time Aquaman 2 the lost kingdom came out in Dec 22nd 2023 and it flopped so badly at box office ) and he mocked at old DC studios administration for being so incompetent at it’s job
6-The MCU franchise has so far grossed $29.75 billion at box office because it’s been so consistent these past 16 years and it’s still going very strong for long time to come while The DCEU franchise grossed $7,187,277,023 billion at box office that ended with Aquaman 2 the lost kingdom because the franchise itself was so messy , it had a poor storytelling and it lacked direction , it got so bad and it had to be rebooted and there’s barely any good movie in DCEU meaning the old DCEU franchise caused unbearable superhero fatigue
7-the old DCEU franchise was ruined and rushed by the former WB execs and the old DC leaderships such as :- Zack Snyder , Walter Hamada , Geoff Johns , Jon Berg , Ann Sarnoff and Toby Emmerich
8-The results of test screening for a solo batgirl movie which stars Leslie Grace were very bad which forced David Zazlav to do the right thing which is cancelling batgirl movie when he told deadline that he talked about rebooting DC franchise aka destroying the Snyderverse all together after seeing how atrocious the old DCEU franchise has been from the beginning to the end meaning he listened to the fans demands about that reboot which is very helpful for him and for the true DC fans
9-The reception for the old DCEU franchise was generally mixed by the fans and the critics alike
10-the old DCEU franchise was huge abysmal failure
11-Black Adam , Shazam!2 Fury of the gods and Wonder Woman 1984 flopped so badly at box office because these movies were made under pervious WB regime and under former DC leaderships , they were so atrocious and they were poorly received by the fans the critics alike meaning Black Adam 2 , Shazam! 3 and Wonder Woman 3 are cancelled and they will never see the light of day
12-both of Amber Heard and Ezra Miller are literally hated by the general audiences because she abused Johnny deep and variety confirmed on October 2023 that Elon Musk warned WBD and DC studios to burn their houses down if she was fired from Aquaman 2 the lost kingdom as Mera while Ezra Miller’s off-screen life has been marred with multiple controversies and legal issues.
@@natesmemes1794 Since 2022, he has been accused of committing assault, burglary, disorderly conduct, harassment, and grooming of minors, resulting in multiple widely publicized arrests, citations, and restraining orders , which explains why both of Aquaman 2 the lost kingdom and The Flash got rationed so badly meaning these two movie are hated the general audiences and both of them flopped so badly at box office , it also means that Aquaman 3 and The Flash 2 are cancelled and they will never see the light of day
13-Black Adam movie was not well received by critics and the fans alike , it grossed $393 million worldwide against production budget of $190 million - $260 million meaning it’s a flop and it’s huge financial failure for DC studios and WBD at box office , becoming a box-office bomb for failing to break even aka failed for reaching $475 million - $570 million - $650 million - $780 million in order to break even against production budget of $190 million - $260 million meaning that movie effectively put the finale nail in the coffin for the old DCEU franchise aka destroying the Snyderverse all together , it also means that Henry cavil was forced to issue such a brutal statement confirming that he’s done as Superman in the old DCEU and he forced James Gunn and Peter Safran to cancel Man of steel 2 meaning it will never see the light of day but both of James Gunn and Peter Safran agreed to leave the door open for Henry cavil to portray different DC character in the new DCU and Jason Momoa wants to portray an alien bounty hunter named “ Lobo “ in the new DCU as well , lastly not least , James Gunn and Peter Safran did the right thing of cancelling Wonder Woman 3 and Black Adam 2 because both of Wonder Woman 1984 and black Adam were not well received by the critics and the fans alike and both of movies , these two movie are the worst DCEU movies of all time and they became financial failures for DC studios and WBD at box office
14-According to Deadline , James Gunn Says Zack Snyder Has Been “Incredibly Supportive” During DCU Transition
James Gunn and Peter Safran are the co-heads of DC Studios and taking over the DCU.
The DC Extended Universe launched with Zack Snyder‘s Man of Steel in 2013 and ended with 2023’s Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom. As Gunn and Safran draw start a new timeline for the DC superheroes, Snyder said he’s “excited” for that is to come.
“You know, I’m a pretty open book. I really feel like, you know, if the characters are treated with reverence, and mythologically correct, then I’m down. I’m in,” Snyder told CBR about the future of the DCU under Gunn and Safran. “Let’s see what happens. I’m pretty excited. I mean, we’re going to get Superman pretty soon, so we’ll see what that’s like.”
A fan asked Gunn if he had seen Snyder’s remarks about the DCU, and he replied on Threads, “I didn’t, but I knew it already because he’s texted me. He’s been incredibly supportive throughout this process.”
After Gunn revealed his plans for the reboot of the DCU, he revealed he had been in contact with Snyder, which piqued fans’ interest into what the two filmmakers talked about.
“He contacted me to express his support about my choices. He’s a great guy,” Gunn replied to a fan on X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter. “Again, he seems really happy with the massive world-building he’s doing now.”
Gunn referred to Snyder’s Rebel Moon films as the “massive world-building” he was in the process of creating at Netflix.
Seeing guardians 3 box office and critical success we are in good hands
$600M is a flop. What happened with people that said a 2 major JusticeLeague characters movie should have reach a billion? The double standards are mindblowing....
Did Our Movie News say BvS needed to break a billion?
@@chrissullivan6403 I'm not talking about him at all
@@fabianGrid So he said it it needs to make 600 mill and other people have said BvS needed to make a billion and somewhere in that there are double standards.
One of the reasons I think that popularity of MCU and DC movies is there is way to much time between the new releases .. 2 to 3 years for each new movie leaves the fans waiting way to long ... why not do what they did with the Lord of the Rings movies .. make them close together then release them about a year or so apart
Come on MCU N DC .. think about it the devoted fans would love you for it
Thabx for your time
If the quality and writing and storytelling is good ..the movie will be succesful
While Im mad we wont get a MOS 2 Im just as mad that we wont get to see Superman vs Black Adam in a Black Adam 2
Because 2022’s black Adam movie flopped at box office and it put finale nail in the coffin for the old dceu
@@MadMax-ot3fi It didn't have a release in many markets either. Namely China.
I was under the impression that Superman and Lois were barely successful, not a failure but that they didn't fulfill the expectations in terms of views. Just to be clear I love the show, Tyler is my favorite Live Action Superman
The ratings are pretty bad compared to other CW Shows coupled with the arrow verse basically being dead. Great show, low viewership was its demise plus Gunn.
I feel that Gunn gets the amount of pressure both on himself and the film to do well, considering that, as you said, it's Superman. It's an uphill climb, but I feel he wouldn't take it on if he didn't believe he could pull it off, even if I personally am not completely excited for this universe yet. No doubt Zaslav and Warner Bros. as a whole hope that Superman is a four quadrant film like Top Gun Maverick that can get positive reviews AND be a box office win.
If DC can make it a must see or an event then it’ll do good something like what Deadpool is doing
You mention that superhero movies aren't as popular now, because of the lower box office numbers. But, I'd argue that the quality has dropped, and yes, even Marvel has lost their way.
That is true but I also think films like Blue Beetle are decent but no one watched it.
A lot of shows I grew up watching either started off a movie or lead up to a movie that released in theaters, so the way this stuff works with there being so many versions of things is strange to me. why didn't they have the tv show superman star in a movie. why get a third person to play the character in live action in a short number of years, what was wrong with that guy?
It has to do better than man of steel no ifs ands buts about it or ways around it
*We all know already that it won't be*
Plus you got factor in how many buts will be in the seats on opening weekend.
First time in a while you’ve been quite objective, would be interested in hearing your honest thoughts on what you think is going to happen, I think you already know what is going to happen but are just keep a level of positivity. I’m as annoyed as you too. 😅
I've been objective for quite a while on parts that need to be objective. The parts I'm not objective on is when my opinion is needed. ie the Superman suit.
@@OurMovieNewsdefinitely shifted a lil I agree with you on that. Feels more crackish 😩
Everyone needs to edge to this video
erm...
It is your two favourite Supermen not Supermans. Dear me.
FIX the stupid Superman costume. I know they won't. do it.....But if this costume is any indicator, then this movie is not going to get off the ground.
It would be like when they recommended that the Flash wear just sweat pants and a hoodie kind of thing.
box office don't matter to DCU.
TSS didn't make bank and Gunn got the CEO role. They care about quality.
Without the box office they won't be able to afford to make more movies lol. The box office matters a lot.
@@OurMovieNews Yet Zaslav still hired Gunn and Safran to run DC.
TSS came out during Covid and with the day-and-date release on HBO Max so its numbers are flawed.
@@nubby2790 *WRONG, JG TSS came out after the theaters had officially reopened and Covid mandates were being eased around the US*
*The film also lost over $100 million dollars and did poorly on streaming compared to other DCEU titles despite positive reviews from critics*
@@nubby2790No excuse.
Genuinely think superman and Lois ending after 4 seasons was the best. CW was known for milking there DC shows to death. Flash is a great example. Went awful after season 3 but they kept milking it.
Flash didn’t get people to watch primarily because of the Ezra Miller controversy
Like I said not every movie needs a billion dollars and In all honesty personally for me all I hope if the movie good and a success not just start a cinematic universe which in all honesty I don’t really care about to tell you the truth but that’s just my opinion.
If we dont use social media at all until the day release day of the new Superman film, i think it we will like it.
The first image was a huge miss by Gunn/WBD. Superman already has a lot of skeptics, and this reinforces doubts about the film. Why does the image look like a mediocre AI effort? Why is Superman not the focus of the pic - instead the orb is. The first image of Superman should lift us up, but this image drags us down. Gunn has done Corenswet no favors here. As it is Corenswet has a tough road to establish himself as the new Superman and Gunn has made that harder with this photo. No one at WBD had the good sense to put a quash on this? That is scary and raises questions about the quality of the film. With a cast not well known, cheap looking promos like this and a suit borrowed from the MCU Superman feels more like a TV movie. Better on Netflix or Max than on the big screen. WBD and Gunn need to do damage control sooner rather than later. Fantastic Four is doing everything right including a known, popular cast. WBD/Gunn keep stumbling and it's not impossible that Superman will be another Flash and bomb. This makes one wonder if Gunn was the wrong person to write/direct Superman.
So every Superhero movie has to have a cast full of well known actors? Shut up. Were actors like Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, or Tom Holland well known before they're superhero movies. No, they weren't. Hell even Henry Cavill wasn't well known before he played Superman. You can't judge a movie based on one promo image. Remember when people bashed Pattinson's Batman suit? Well that movie is still wildly beloved
Gunn's superman will be great
mos2 and the batfleck deathstroke movie wouldve both made close to a billion if not more
And both of them are cancelled , you need to go touch grass
@@BrutalVengeance729 people like you said the same thing about the Snydercut and look what happened...don't worry Gunns pedoverse will get canceled too when it fails miserably
@@thelastflop Gunnverse will not get cancelled and it will not fail either you pathological liar
If you don't mind me asking... what will be a bad Superman movie ? In your view and what will be an average Superman movie ? So that we know or i know what you're referring too and when i watch the movie i be like ooh yeah this is what he was talking about
Okay I'd say if the movie is like Aquaman 2 then that's terrible. If it's like Shazam then it's average or thereabouts.
Do a review of Superman And Lois
James gunn need to release another good picture if David cornswett superman and a teaser bruh 😑
Agreed!
If Gunn can nail it and produce a great Superman movie I can see it hitting 700-800 mill, but if it’s just okay, 500-600.
If it’s bad, well us DC fans are screwed once again.
You have forgotten so quick that the dceu was first a failure that led to a reboot. So why is it James Gunn fault in bringing in a new Superman.
only Cristopher reeve could save it
They keep the actors that nobody ask for. We want Henry cavill! It’s simple and bring the others DCEU actors like Gal gadot, Ben Affleck and the others JL cast
Shut up already and by “we” , you mean fake DC fans aka snyder cultists and pathological liars
Hey can you do videos on House of the Dragons season 2…
Never seen the show unfortunately!
I'm calling it now: Gunn's Superman will fail MISERABLY.
I hope not
people trust gunn more than zack or any other directors in terms of super hero movies.
it’s not. Man of steel gross 600 million. And the audience and critics didn’t love it. I think James Gunn is a better director and writer than Zack Snyder. The only thing Zack Snyder got over James gun is visuals. But sometimes he over does it with style over substance. James gun gives u both. Movie might hit 700 million to 800 million. And if he knocks it out the park a billion
@@OurMovieNews Honestly, i think it's a plausibility at this point, especially because TSS really didn't make any noise after it's initial release, yes it had the most views of any DC movie on Max, but it didn't break even theatrically nor did it crack Netflix's Top 10 when it was put on there. In fact outside of Marvel every film that he's both written and directed lost money.
@@smabdullah6282*Based on what?* 😂
*#GunnIsAHackBringZackBack*
I'm slowly starting to feel less butthurt over Henry's replacement and the jettisoning of the DCEU (which I felt was throwing a healthy baby out with a lot of bathwater). However, I'm getting slightly more excited for this new Superman, if only out of curiosity.
I imagine I'll feel similarly as I do to Matt Reeves' The Batman. I'll appreciate it, but I won't love it.
And I don't think it will be as technically well-made as The Batman.
We’re just going to give Superman 2025, the same energy MoS received-you know, the same uber-criticism Snyder received from, Rotten Tomatoes, Twitter X, UA-cam, and Vloggers. James Gunn gets no pity or smpathy from me. I’m going to analyze and uber-criticize Superman 2025 with uncanny detail. And yes, Superman 2025 needs to sell a billion. If it doesn’t sell a billion, it’s a failure.
Then I guess you learnt nothing from Man of Steel then.
Superman ip alone will draw people. Movie still a year. Inflation could be different. But even if it not. If the story is good and different and intriguing then I think it can make good money
Outside of the Snyderverse ,it hasn't drawn enough to be profitable in theaters since the early 1980s. Superman is just not a Box Office Draw.
Yea time for the new generation, my time ends with the end of DCEU, i won't support the saint lord savior gunn universe. Good luck peeps.
It's pronounced Heck Lyn
Superman will make the same amount as the Batman.
Gunn's SuperMEH movie can choke for all I care.
Shut up
Care about Meh Moon first. The franchise is on the verge of getting cancelled.
@@shubhangbahadur7112 we're all waiting on the directors cuts. 😁
After a decade the MOS suit remains perfect and timeless
Wait, Superman's budget is over 363 million. It has to double that budget to be successful
It's not.
That's fake. No one knows the budget but WB and DC
@@brian5771 It's not fake and even if it is, that film still has to do well at the boxoffice 😂😂😂
@@SupermanNYC2006it’s fake bro
@@SupermanNYC2006 It's fake. Lol, your co-#Snyderbots has brainwashed you for believing it's real HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I remember when they said about the clone thing. Now that they saw Solaris in the official photo, no one is bringing it up HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Typical #Snyderbots.
Gunn's last movie earned 850M. Pulling the same numbers with the most popular character will be basic. We're not worried about that HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
First of all what does Hoechlins Superman have to do with anything? It was on TV and has nothing to do with the DCEU OR DCU. Second of all Wb Had a decade to make man of steel 2 and didnt
Literally listen to what I say in the video.
I find the people and bots that leave "I dont care" or "I hope it flops" comments on every new Superman video hilarious.
No way Snyder fans are gonna like it cause well they only like snyders work no one else but audiences probably will and fans
If I go see Superman, Gunn better not be wasting my time. Especially with what I’ve seen from DC lately.
Lot Of Pressure For This Movie,So Reason Why On Behalf Of Mr #PeterParker Ah Sry (Safran) And Mr #JamesBomb Sry Ah (Machine Gunn) Or (RocketLauncher) WhatEver His Name Is I Jus Changed The Title From Superman To Superman: A Guardian Of The Galaxy (2025) Hope You Guys Love It Enjoy .... 😂
#ZackSnyder #HenryCavillSuperman #BenAffleckBat #GalGadotWonderWoman #INDIA
Shut up you fool and everything you said is pure lie because Henry cavil is done as Superman , Ben Affleck is done as Batman and Gal Gadot is done as Wonder Woman
I think Gunn and Safran will be given a grace period coming off the disappointing end to the DCEU. Gunn and Safran will need to rebuild trust for DC movies with the audience. If the film is critically praised but does mediocre at the box office, the DCU will continue.
Giving Gunn and Safran a grace period would be a mistake especially the latter.
@@jturner2577 They will need time to repair the damage the end of the DCEU caused the brand. Critical response is more important than box office.
a billion? 😂😂🤣🤣
There is no playing it safe - even keeping Henry Cavill and staying the course wouldn't be playing it safe given his controversial portrayal that left the fanbase divided. I disagree with the decision to cancel Superman & Lois as I think such a show only helped cultivate more excitement about the character. And we're already going to have multiple versions of Batman coexisting, but I'm used to Batman fans getting what they want over all other DC fandoms
I sure as Hell hope they don't cancel My Adventures with Superman on top of all this!
It has no pressure cuz it actually has a good storyteller attached to it. Cavill especially as Superman isn't a box office draw black adam , Argylle and Cavill's recent one that just came out all bombed
Movie will earn billion with the help of sold critics
*The checks are already in the mail*
I wanted a new Superman movie not James Gunn's Superman movie. Either way I don't want Superman to fail but I want James gunn failed so badly.
Shut up already
I am a hardcore DC fan and I am proud to say I did not watch any more DC film since Zac Synders justice league. I am not even a Zack Sydner fan.
I believe Gunn was right to reboot DC. Whether you liked the DCEU or not, it is a fact that it was a failure. First they hired a director who doesn't understand the characters of Superman and Batman and wanted to deconstruct them. Then WB panicked and tried to course correct multiple times, dividing the fanbase
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I agree with him about that pressure. But it absolutely does NOT need to make a billion. That’s only Snyder cultists that say that because they want it to fail and have convinced themselves that it will. They are delusional
*Superman Legacy will be DC's next BIG flop*
Fact
You and @Ivan1Ivanov2784 are lying
Nope , it won’t because your attempts to be so mad and thorwing away childish tantrum at dc and WBD decision of ending the old dceu franchise aka Snyderverse that was huge abysmal failure bodes well for Superman legacy
Honestly it's not implausible.
Why do you think so?
The first entry in DCU movies should have been "GREEN LANTERNS" because they usually travel through the universe, they have the potential to find a threat big enough at the end of their movie to grab the fans from the start and what to expect next
Wkwkwk pedogunn.... :)
Superman will be a hit. All of James Gunns DC projects ( The Suicide Squad & Peacemaker ) have a fan base and good reviews. Plus, his Guardians Of The Galaxy trilogy has grossed 2 billion dollars. This film will perform on the level of The Batman. 700 million globally with positive reviews.
I hope you are right!
Good Reviews and a big fan base yes but they didn't support TSS in theaters and on streaming really only did so domestically. Peacemaker doesn't have great viewership numbers either. As for the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy, that benefited from both the IP being virtually unknown by even casual comic fans and being part of the MCU. Could it perform like the Batman? Sure but depending on the Production and Marketing budget, it could still fail to break even.
I have zero faith in Gunns Superman and I’m actively rooting against it for the way WB treated Snyder and his crew. But hey this is what the moronic anti Snyder lunatics wanted
You’re so unethical , so disrespectful and so negative
*Many of us are, that is why **#SupermanLegacyWillFlop*
@@natesmemes1794 Superman legacy will not flop because the Snyderverse fans base is so small
@@BrutalVengeance729 you again? Don’t you ever touch grass.
@@BrutalVengeance729 yeah half the DC fans are “small” you’re delusional
All these people say we needed a clean slated, but they didn't support any DC movies outside from The Batman 😂.
These are the same broke ass people who won't support the new DCU. It's already dead on arrival.
You’re lying
*The Superhero box office is falling out because the movies the studios are releasing are mid-to mediocre at best. The Flash could have easily turned the DCEU box office returns around if only it had been handled properly*
*Too many superhero tropes, terrible CGI, bad dialogue and corny jokes*
*Zack Snyder’s DCEU films have raised the bar, now all DC fans compare each new film released to Snyders MOS, BVS and Justice League, and they don't even come close to measuring up*