Hey guys, Shy Chef here, I am now realizing that I made a tiny mistake and confused Elite-tier with Mid-tier while on the wiki, If John was a mid-tier then he would be 2.7 if he was mid-tier, many comments have pointed that out, so thank you for realizing my mistake!
I think a large reason why john freaked out with power the way he did to Arlo and blake is that no one has said sorry for their actions against John. No one has said forgive me. Everyone around him acts like they have some sort of moral high ground. I think the frustration he feels comes from the lack of self-awareness others have for their actions. That is also why I believe the author has made a very flawed narrative. Because Blake, Arlo, and the blonde hair guy who figured out John's past have no self-awareness of what I have done wrong and I should apologize.
@ shlok rai I’m with you. Arlo kind of did... but it was half hearted and in the midst of trying to stop John. Never confessed in public form, Asian culture shows kowtow etc, but nothing sincere. All, all royals; sera, Arlo, Issen, Blyke, injured John... and on several occasions. Never showing an apology. Only one who genuinely tried was Remi. #bestgirl I want her and John to ship... but idk. I’m hoping he goes full vigilante and changes the worlds system. Go Leluech on everyone. To me, that be ideal. But idk... where the story is going now, Arlo (the attempted murderer) along with Blyke (another attempted murderer; threw John out a 3 story building w a sucker punch), and sera (the self absorbed friend) are all getting their own arcs and limelight. Imo anytime John is not in focus, the story lessens. John is an original MC... anger, etc no redemptive qualities. If this gets fixed w talk no jutsu I’m rage quitting and calling this a B rated manuwha. Might even go closer to D. John for 200 chaps keeps it above E rank. No one has really done right by John. Principal only stopped John... where was he for a year and a half???!? Dad keeps “hoping” his son will do well. Hope and a book are good and all... but sending your kid to get reprogrammed by a sociopath is not the route. We have no info on the mom... sera liked John when he was interesting and convenient; the moment she had to put work in the relationship... she distanced herself from him, colluded w a man who once tried to kill him... background checked him without his permission... came at him like “I know everything blah”, then seen immediately w his enemy, how could you ever trust her? Claire was closest... but once she colluded w his enemy and hanged up on him, she lost all rights as a friend. John has been failed by the system and everyone. Who he is makes sense, don’t agree with what he does... but makes sense. If I see; -Arlo redemption -sera fight John -sera get w John -Blyke ever come close to winning against John -John lose his powers -talk no jutsu heal John I’m rage quitting. And this gets dropped from s-rank to d-rank. I’m not saying it must go the Leluech route... and I’m not saying he has get w Remi. But those are the best two routes presented in 220 chapters. Those routes will let it get into ruler/Soveriegn realm... not sung Jin woo realm, but closer. Thoughts?
My opinion on it is that the issue is with the world itself rather than John. Those in power have extremely strong abilities, so they've made everyone believe strong abilities means you must be important. This created the system of Royals where even the youngest students fight each other for dominance, all the while those in control of everything allow themselves to grow even more powerful. Anyone who breaks this order like John, those who tear everything down around them into anarchy, is broken to the point where they can no longer function as a member of this society. John tries to escape and protect himself and others by becoming a cripple, thinking this to effectively separate himself from the cycle of fighting. Unfortunately for him, however, this is only a temporary solution, with him eventually falling into a pattern of repeating his past mistakes almost to the letter. If anything this shows that John may have some form of PTSD from the 'lessons' given to him before becoming a cripple. By being forced to constantly relive his mistakes and pain, it's ingrained it into his memory, so when the events begin mirroring themselves in his new school, he falls back into his old ways, even calling Seraphina by the name Claire in his most deluded. My guess on the future of the series is that Seraphina will realize this, working with the other characters to try and free John from this cycle by showing that people can change for the better and that he can finally escape the cycle of fighting. Or he'll just go see an actual therapist because god does he need one. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
It’s actually both, he did it as punishment since he constantly brutalized people and wanted to punish himself for all the things he did, it’s also since whenever he activates his ability John get’s corrupted by power and constantly brutalIzes anyone who crosses him.
This post was a while ago, but John’s idea of himself was mainly focused on separating himself from his ability, allowing himself to cope with the things he did by making himself feel like what he did wasn’t him, it was the ability. This caused him to resent his ability, as not a part of him, but a separate thing apart from him that caused him to get corrupted every time he used it. He thought everything was his ability’s fault, therefore he doesn’t use it because he fears he’ll be corrupted by himself, or rather his ability. This causes a complex within him, simultaneously making him feel weak when a cripple, and much too powerful when he is not.
Same here, John is smart, a good fighter, strategic, and has potential, but his judgment is clouded with negative emotions, lack of trust, and bad influences that cause him to make irrational decisions.
John isn't smart. It was shown repeatedly that he isn't the brightest guy around. His biggest problem however is not being dumb, but being too impulsive and emotional.
Making smart decisions doesn't make you to live a life without hate. Till there is love there is hate. We will still get targeted by Arlo and get emotionally fu*ked. Like said in the video their world is different to ours. What we think is unreasonable or unjustifiable might be reasonable and justifiable in their.
I agree with ShyChef, I can’t see another way for John to deal with his situation. I liked the addiction analogy, because it makes more sense once you start thinking about it. At first I also though it was a form of punishment, but that is not the case. Alcoholics/addicts avoid places that are likely to trigger a relapse. It works some of the time, but despite their efforts; some do relapse. The same thing goes for John. John completely avoided the use of his ability by playing cripple and excluding himself from the hierarchy, but the situation at Wellston made him fall back into that dark path again. To be honest, it took a lot to break John. Seraphina’s suspension, Arlo ambushing him, Sera losing her ability, Zeke and other students picking on her, all that plus the constant beat downs he received on a daily basis. In episode 84, after Zeke beats John up, Isen finds him, and said, “First he gets into all those complications with Arlo, and now he’s beaten like this, even with Seraphina back. At this rate, he won’t hold up.” Going into Wellston as both mid-tier and god-tier, would have made the process go a lot more faster. Now, I would have like if John was a bit more honest to himself and more trusting. I understand that he can’t be totally honest. I mean saying, “Hey, I’m playing cripple cause I’m trying to avoid the hierarchy due to the fact that I was a horrible person and I beat up half my class back at my old school,” is hard to nearly impossible. My point is I wish he was more trusting towards Seraphina when she asked him if he’s okay. Same with Arlo when he pushed him, saying, “Act your rank”, “I wouldn’t trust anyone else but myself”, or “Fix it yourself”. John could’ve been a bit honest, by telling Arlo, “I can’t act my rank cause I can’t handle the pressure that comes with being a high ranker”, or “I don’t know how to be a good king”, “I have no trust in myself”, and lastly, “I can’t fix it because I’ll end up making it worse, everything always does.” If only the school would have listened. I don’t know if it’s just me, but I can relate to John in a similar way. I just can’t see another way and I would do the same thing. (Sorry if I’m ranting too long 😅 just this was a really good discussion video)
Well, in my opinion, him saying he’s a mid-tier wouldn’t work out in the first place. Ever since Sera asked that question, I’ve always thought of that answer time again. John’s power level varies, depending on what powers he copies or mimics. And yes, in the original, he can copy up to 4. But let’s say he’ll only copy one or two abilities to make it LOOK like he’s a mid-tier. If that’s the case, then it’ll be just like Sky Chef said. John would just gain too much attention upon himself. Once he pretends that he can only copy 2 abilities, more people would challenge him in larger groups. Once that happens, John would either take a lot of beatings as he was a cripple, or reveal that he can copy more than just 2.
@@alvinchen9655 That’s his passive ability; only accessible to high tiers. However, this would probably keep him at bay, but also make him a total target. Why? Let’s say he lies about his true ability. He says that his power is to sense auras rather than mimic them. This would mean his lying ability power level would be very low, just like the low tiers. If he were to lie about his true power, this makes him an easy target. Also, don’t forget that John shows no fear at all. This could also be a bad thing in an attempt to hide. If he shows no fear to mid or high tiers beating him up, then they’ll become very suspicious of him. But let’s say for his sake that he faked his fear too? If that’s the case, then it’ll be the same thing over again. He’ll soon become enraged, feeling helpless, etc. He’ll probably want revenge against those who wronged him. This may or may not change his friendship with Sera, but I don’t really think that’s relevant. Anyways, TL;DR is no matter how much we try to change this, I see no possibility John could actually have a better life, due to horrible society he’s born in. He could pretend to be weak, but he’ll always gain attention whether that’s good or bad. Some events will still be the same.
@@neutralball1099 I mean that he could seem like a high level user with a boring power, Juni had a power that was better for support and yet when John attacked her, she got curious as if her being attacked unprovoked was strange for her, we also see elaine who still has admirers and respect from high tiers specifically because she's a support, as long as John keeps his eye glowing as he's sensing around with his friends he's pretty much fine.
@@alvinchen9655 In the world of Unordinary, power levels are determined by 5 categories: Power, Defense, Trick, Recovery, and Speed. Being able to read auras doesn’t really have any of those benefits, hence why it would be a low tier. Also, there aren’t any “high level user with a boring power”. They’re only high tiers, because of their use of ability. They can alter their abilities to do many things. It’s even shown in the Unordinary series too. Uru-Chan even compared two identical abilities. Blyke’s and a mid tier student. The reason why Blyke is higher is because he has more knowledge, power, and tricks to use with his ability. He can shoot lasers out of 4 fingers, form a giant laser with both of his hands, and used his aura as some sort of shockwave. The mid tier student has only been able to shoot lasers out of its hand, hence why they’re ranked lower. John’s passive ability would be considered a low tier, simply because it only meets in the Trick and Power category. Being able to read auras isn’t recovery, isn’t speed, or defense. It’s power is very weak, since it’s not a offensive or defensive ability type.
You should make a What If video about what would happen if John took his father's advice and tell Seraphina the truth. Instead of pretty much ignoring what his father said.
@@nathanaelrobbins7717 I'm thinking of making a fanfic dealing with it John attended Wellston posing as a low-tier, and his past at New Bostin was different..
I feel like the only way for John to regain his sanity is if Volcan/EMBER attack the school looking for either Remi or Blyke, with Seraphina, Asslo and Isen getting involved and John doing something against EMBER.
Tbh, I think that John's issue will be resolved due to Seraphina trying to help and understand him, even after all he has done to her (I really do love her, btw, she's just such a good person). I think she will heal John's mind, and then Ember will attack, or John will go after Ember. John will crush them, but learn about their connections to the Authorities. Thus, John will then take down the Authorities as well, but I think he will die in the process, due to the fact that he is represented by the hero in the book of "Unordinary." This is the idea I have come up with. What do you guys think?
I don't think Ember is ever going to directly attack the school for John to care. He may only get involved if gis father gets hurt (maybe something connected with the book).
I like part of what y’all are saying... I’m with you. Arlo kind of did... but it was half hearted and in the midst of trying to stop John. Never confessed in public form, Asian culture shows kowtow etc, but nothing sincere. All, all royals; sera, Arlo, Issen, Blyke, injured John... and on several occasions. Never showing an apology. Only one who genuinely tried was Remi. #bestgirl I want her and John to ship... but idk. I’m hoping he goes full vigilante and changes the worlds system. Go Leluech on everyone. To me, that be ideal. But idk... where the story is going now, Arlo (the attempted murderer) along with Blyke (another attempted murderer; threw John out a 3 story building w a sucker punch), and sera (the self absorbed friend) are all getting their own arcs and limelight. Imo anytime John is not in focus, the story lessens. John is an original MC... anger, etc no redemptive qualities. If this gets fixed w talk no jutsu I’m rage quitting and calling this a B rated manuwha. Might even go closer to D. John for 200 chaps keeps it above E rank. No one has really done right by John. Principal only stopped John... where was he for a year and a half???!? Dad keeps “hoping” his son will do well. Hope and a book are good and all... but sending your kid to get reprogrammed by a sociopath is not the route. We have no info on the mom... sera liked John when he was interesting and convenient; the moment she had to put work in the relationship... she distanced herself from him, colluded w a man who once tried to kill him... background checked him without his permission... came at him like “I know everything blah”, then seen immediately w his enemy, how could you ever trust her? Claire was closest... but once she colluded w his enemy and hanged up on him, she lost all rights as a friend. John has been failed by the system and everyone. Who he is makes sense, don’t agree with what he does... but makes sense. If I see; -Arlo redemption -sera fight John -sera get w John -Blyke ever come close to winning against John -John lose his powers -talk no jutsu heal John I’m rage quitting. And this gets dropped from s-rank to d-rank. I’m not saying it must go the Leluech route... and I’m not saying he has get w Remi. But those are the best two routes presented in 220 chapters. Those routes will let it get into ruler/Soveriegn realm... not sung Jin woo realm, but closer. Thoughts?
Can i say if Keon teach John and not torturing him...maybe he can handle better his power? Because this is the problem he can't handle his power...but in the end they force him to be the King. ... ... ... it's so pitufull and sad... really he is a lost child. Ah! I want to say i am a bit pissed at Isen because this phrase " he even worth it "... this make me realize that...the Royal don't belive to be responsable of this situation. Like really Isen? You spy on him, hurt him and expose him as the King....when you know, you know he wasn't able to handle the title and he doesn't want it. I know they are teen, they are not bad. ..but... really? Arlo, Isen, Blyke and Remi...you really belive that John is a mad dog and you have no fault too? ... ... ... Thanks for the video:)
mid tier are more problematic then the high tiers. The people at the top only fight to be all high and mighty. Low tiers try to stay out of it. But the middle always fight just to climb the later Juts to feel superior for those at the bottom.
I think a large reason why john freaked out with power the way he did to Arlo and blake is that no one has said sorry for their actions against John. No one has said forgive me. Everyone around him acts like they have some sort of moral high ground. I think the frustration he feels comes from the lack of self-awareness others have for their actions. That is also why I believe the author has made a very flawed narrative. Because Blyke, Arlo, and the blonde hair guy who figured out John's past have no self-awareness of what I have done wrong and I should apologize.
Personally I would kind of say John's actions are justified. He's making a mockery out of the hierarchy and just beating them without an actual reason which was what the mid-tiers did. However, the brutality is quite extreme, but, I dont blame him. He's endured enough abuse, almost getting a beating for an entire year plus his childhood.. Yikes... Also, where's Elaine? She hasn't been showing up lately..
Yessssss I love these Unordinary video!!!!!!!!!! What if John had power all long ever when he was a little kid. Mostly like he would have not done any of this. I also feel bad for John but I hope John and Seraphina will be friend again or even start dating
What if Remi convinced John to work with them to set peace in the school but John had one petition He didn't want to show his acual face he wanted to have the Joker Persona so nobody could reconize him like that his identity would still stay a secret
I keep saying Remi is the only redeemable character. She is the only one who could have helped John. It’s just the timing didn’t allow for it. #bestgirl
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I wonder what would happen if guys like Peter Parker, Miles Morales, barry allen, Geo stellar, Deku, and even Sonic were transported to this world? It honestly needs more beacons of positivity, I think these characters would try to uproot the system and make things fair for everyone, both with and without powers. They would certainly be strong enough to do so.
A lot of these comments are vying for Sera and John to date, but that would not only completely change the tone of the series, but also wouldn't work between these two characters. Nonetheless, have fun shipping 😅
Actually i personally dont think he lost that belief but the ppl dont deserve to know about it. Remember that scene where he was venting about weaklings with no back bone n n high teirs that uses there power for the most pettiest reasons. He dont believe the ppl shouldnt have that knowledge.
No he did loose it: when questioned by keon, he passed because while the message of the book is "respect everyone" and that society want him to think "respect only the powerful" what john really thinks right now is that no one, including himself is worthy of respect, sera exepted(well until the joker thing)
I love that john was seraphina light in season 1 and help her change for the better and now in season 2 is time for seraphina to become hes light save him from this destructive path be able to be together again and I hope that arlo, blyke never become friends with john after the last chapter in the fast pass blyke just prove how much of a hypocrite he is😄
@ 0-0 Studios Lol 1. Blyke never helped John out... 1.5 years of being tortured and no high tier helped him 2. John angered him once, and shot a beam at his head 3. Blyke only helped him to nurse office because Issen said to (obviously for ulterior motives) 4. In his sanctioned matches (which he warned Remi about) he sucker shot John and put a hole in him 5. When in safehouse John didn’t hurt anyone (yet... probably would have), Blyke literally sucker punched him out a 3 story building onto cement (is this wasn’t a. A world of super powers and B. John who can copy any ability who happens to be quick thinking and super reflexes he would have got seriously hurt/dead)... anywhere else in a court of law we would call this* attempted manslaughter. Check it out 6. He doesn’t do vigilantism to help people, over and over again he states it that he’s doing it to get stronger SO THAT he can beat John. That’s 6 observable FACTS that occurred. Don’t even need to go more. He’s a bottom 5 selfish character: Him, arlo, zeke, Cecile and sera are all objectively bad people (if we are looking at motives and morals objectively)
@@SS-lz6cb Alright. Let’s debunk this Cool. That’s true, but saying he is a hypocrite because of that doesn’t work when he clearly changed Uru confirmed that this was a *warning* shot. We don’t even see where the laser was in comparison to John’s head, sure he had to dodge it, but even then nothing suggests he can sense it perfectly. It could just be that the beam was near his head but didn’t actually hit it. Blyke may be Isen’s friend, but he still frequently gets in arguments with him. It wouldn’t make sense for Blyke to carry John, wasting his time on someone he doesn’t like, all because Isen said so. Cool. Joker slams Arlo’s head into the ground, riddled Blyke’s body with holes and beat Isen to a bloody pulp. This really isn’t a big deal John was literally about to punch Sera and Blyke literally sees multiple students injured and let’s not forget the low tier John attacked for little to no reason. If it was the real world Blyke wouldn’t have even accomplished that, considering he needed his ability to do it. So we just going to ignore him going out to fight Lennon, all because he saw low tiers get hurt, hell, in the actual fight he was considering not fighting him, but the moment a Low Tier is injured he steps in. Did you really ignore that?
Actually John enrolling as a cripple is good idea for his objective of not getting involved with hierarchy, like seraphina questioned that why did he not enrolled as mid tier, to answer that, let's look at what John power is. Aura manipulation which is way cooler and stronger ability to have even if declared himself mid tier, he would be instant royalty which would have him in hierarchy, which he did not want to be a part of, to begin with. What is he gonna say about his ability, laser beam or lightning or some shit, because he has none of these but he can replicate and amplify them in a fight if he see these abilities. Actually this question is a no brainer to begin with
I like both john and joker character Especially joker because in my eyes i see him as the representation of a doppelganger or a shadow like my favorite quote from bleach "this time your enemy is you." It fits joker character and his ability. The hierarchy lost to themselves and are now feeling the consequences of a single power system tyrant with a even worst attitude then them.
I love your content on Unordinary! This is by far my favorite web toon, and I think a lot about it. I would like to pose a question though: could John be even stronger than he is right now? I ask this because in many comics that I have read about people with abilities, there is frequently the most powerful person being able to copy abilities. However, John is different. His ability is called "Aura Manipulation," not something like the "copier" ability in Zero Game. That means that copying and ability is a manual process, as shown in his flashbacks. Could this have an effect on new applications to his ability? Idk if other people think about this sort of stuff like I do, but I have thought a lot about this question I have posed, and thought I would post it to see if anyone else had thought on it.
Well, shoot! First off, thanks for the video! I didn't even think to have John be a mid-tier, I completely forgot that part! I was more thinking that he'd revealed his power in front of Elaine, and people actually manage to have to respect him, he stays out of the king position, Arlo attacks him, and John beats him worse then he did in the original, leaving him unconscious in the field because he actually showed his full power ability, and still says the dethroning threat. As a result, everything goes the same that a normal powerful high-tier but in John's case. He ends up becoming a little lost, and Seraphina never loses her ability because they wouldn't hang out, and she never would've gone to Kovoro Mall. She ends up challenging John (still unsure on how that fight ends out, for this I'll say stalemate) and he goes on with his normal life, and things go from there, and Isen and the others like Cecile and Terrence would never had written a story about him. Cecile never ends up following John although tries to push him in the hierarchy again and he relapsed, beating Cecile with her own ability. Rumors begin to spread, and they make John even more angry and less sane. Then he is forced back into the hierarchy, doing the Joker arch without Joker and without the mask. Blyke becomes terrified of John and starts to become Nobody (crab rave music intensifies) and he gets dragged up into the same mess before, with Kuyo and Isen complaining to Remi and Blyke about not paying the bill. Safe house never starts, because they don't realize the issue with the hierarchy. (JOHN NEVER WEARS HAIR GEL YAY) and things become out of my sight because I am not caught up with unOrdinary fast passes and I will not leak spoilers. There are just some parts that I cannot cover because it hasn't happened yet.
Aura manipulation you might as well be able to manipulate others auras and take them away, which means John could take others powers away and give them new ones....where have i Heard this before..?
As someone who always overthinks morals and ethics I have to say this is a masterpiece cuz I’m so conflicted. However, I think if we say that the whole school is bad,then we must also accept that John is just as bad. Just cuz they deserved punishment doesn’t mean that John doesn’t have blood on his hands. Punishment can only go so far until u become another villain yourself
He could make better choices but John needs to be more developed. That means we have to develop him before the comic starts but after the New Bostin Incident. That's the only way that John could make better choices.
I often think about multiple timelines akin to the Fate/Stay Night routes. What if John befriended Remi instead of Sera? What if he somehow befriended Elaine instead of Sera? The friendship with Remi could’ve definitely happen but I imagine a friendship with Elaine would be do to her being tsundere for John.
I doubt Arlo would have gone after john if he pretended to be a mid tier as the reason he did in the actual timeline was because John was disrupting the hierarchy by being friends with seraphina and making her leave the queen position and the hierarchy itself
I would say John is possibly scared of his abilities because of the three months of torture when he was expelled so he probably decided to not use his power at all
I think i know why he enrolled as a cripple because if he was a mid tier he would have a power but he has to try and get that power every single day and if elaine asked him that when he enrolled as a mid tier he would probaly have nothing to say
At first I was shipping it, but now it just doesn't sit quite right with me. Maybe in a season or two, but John isn't exactly in the right place right now, and Sera is just trying to understand why he's doing what he's doing and get him to come to his senses. It's what any sensible best friend would do, in my opinion. The relationship would need a lot of developing, considering they aren't even friends right now.
@@catthemeg336 Yea, maybe later seasons. But I don’t blame him for his actions, he’s been nice to people but everyone just seems to just push him back.
@@samyalthang2651 We’re not gonna have later seasons tho, Uru-chan confirmed herself that unordinary will have just about 3 seasons, and we’re around half way of season 2, unless she has been doing major planning since she took a break i don’t think JohnxSera will happen.
I hate royals thinks john is a pyschopath, how can they think like that lol he is acting the same way with them when they were top but they act like john is a demon and they are angels xd
Well Arlo doesn’t give a shit about John. Blyke really doesn’t care about John. He mainly hates John because he beat the crap out of his friends. I mean yeah he had a reason but cmon you certainly wouldn’t like someone if they beat your friends to a bloody pulp. Blyke also most likely hated John because even after Blyke tried to make amends with John, he beat the shit out of him. He humiliated him. Even after Blyke wanted to be friends. That would piss anyone off. Not to mention how John didn’t apologize. He also keeps trying to destroy the Safe House,which was meant to make Wellston better. Blyke would hate him for that because even though John went on and on about how he wanted to make the school better, here he is making it worse.
@@omega8912 well John thinks royals didn't change and they created the safe house for dethrone him and its kinda understandable cause royals never intend to make something like safe house until John beat the shit out of them
@@ozankara4915 My only problem with that is, why create the safe house to dethrone Him? What’s that going to do to him. I mean maybe to gather up students but how would that work? Most students wouldn’t join. In fact it make things worse for the Royals as when John gets pissed off he would probably tear it down and show the other students not to disobey the King’s rule. I don’t understand why John would think that
Now I want to ask one question of another time line, what if John as a cripple by day, chose to become a superhero by night ? What outcome would happen here ?
I personally think if he had become a mid tier he wouldn’t have even met Seraphina in the cake scenario because Seraphina chose John to ask for the cake from because he is at the bottom of the hierarchy so she probably would have asked someone lower than him.
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I feel like you hit no many proverbial nails on the head: -John knows he shouldn’t lead -another aspect, John might have wanted a “retry” as well. Let’s do this without going crazy... then got drug back into it. -Remi might have been closer w him -Arlo is trash and would’ve went the same route -Issen because of Arlo would’ve done the same -Blyke might’ve been “cool” with him -sera would have not been friends w John. She’s so self absorbed and is looking to “break the mold”. An average mid-tier would not have gotten a second glance. Your analysis puts her type of character on spot. I have never liked her as a character.
I realize it might be stupid now that i think about it, but my original theory on why he went cripple was that he saw how happy his dad was as a cripple, and he associated being a cripple with happiness. So he decided to try and do it for awhile, and it worked.(till Arlo came along) But i see there is a lot of mistakes with my little thing so yea. Your welcome whoever reads this i just wasted 10 seconds of your day
Now I’m wondering what would have happened if John was taken by the group that Leilah is part of. Would he lose his powers or partially lose his powers? Would he learn how to use his powers responsibly or would he continue to abuse them?
I love your analysis on what might have been. Becoming a cripple/lowtier was the logical way to go (from John his point of view anyway) The problem with the plan was just that John is a horrible actor. He really sucks at pretending to be a lowtier. Arlo almost immediatly picked up on the fact that John acts like a godtier the moment he met him.
I feel like if John got his ability at a younger age it would have been better he could learn the great power comes great responsibility but because he didn’t he lost himself in all the rage he has
During an AMA, uru-chan said spoilers ;) (with this exact answer) to the question of whether there would be romance in the series. My guess it will be about future relationships that we haven’t seen yet or haven’t developed yet like Doc and Leilah and maybe some of the parents of the main characters, but it wouldn’t be the main topic of the story but help progress the plot. I do see some development with the main cast in terms of romance, but it wouldn’t have that much attention compared to the main plot and their development outside of romance.
I only have one thig to add to this and that's the fact that John could have befriended other low tiers. Thinking about it he could have made friends with other low tiers and fought with them. but then.... he would have also become corrupt again. So to conclude.. John just needs some intense therapy
What if instead of saying he's a mid tier with the ability to copy abilities, he posed as an elite tier who could only see and enhance auras? Seeing auras would just mean you can't ambush him, handy but not super strong on it's own but still hard for someone to mess with. But the second one would be the key, the ability to amplify auras. That's exactly what he is doing when he amplifies abilities after all and if he poses as a elite tier, he could get away with saying that he can amplify the abilities of others. Edit: I know this idea has issues, I just thought it would be an interesting what if. Edit 2: Bored from one year since the comment was posted here. We got an update to how his ability works so scroll down if you don't mind the spoiler from the current arc post Joker. So, he can basically see someone's stats meaning instead of saying he can amplify someone, he can just saw that he can judge how strong someone is by looking at them while their ability is active. That would allow him to be support that is given respect like a healer since knowledge is power. It would also make people less likely to want to challenge him as its not a power based ability and it runs the risk of him exposing your strengths and weaknesses to people you don't want knowing them.
But why or how would he actually loose control if he started the school off with being known as a high tier? It’s not like much people would want to bother him.
Hey guys, Shy Chef here, I am now realizing that I made a tiny mistake and confused Elite-tier with Mid-tier while on the wiki, If John was a mid-tier then he would be 2.7 if he was mid-tier, many comments have pointed that out, so thank you for realizing my mistake!
hey you should try rebirth
Can you do one that explains if John takes Remi's advice to stop the joker act and not brake the system
I think a large reason why john freaked out with power the way he did to Arlo and blake is that no one has said sorry for their actions against John. No one has said forgive me. Everyone around him acts like they have some sort of moral high ground. I think the frustration he feels comes from the lack of self-awareness others have for their actions. That is also why I believe the author has made a very flawed narrative. Because Blake, Arlo, and the blonde hair guy who figured out John's past have no self-awareness of what I have done wrong and I should apologize.
@@shlokrai2943 Holy shit that makes so much sense. Following that note, I don't think that Seraphina even apologized for what she did.
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I’m with you. Arlo kind of did... but it was half hearted and in the midst of trying to stop John. Never confessed in public form, Asian culture shows kowtow etc, but nothing sincere. All, all royals; sera, Arlo, Issen, Blyke, injured John... and on several occasions. Never showing an apology. Only one who genuinely tried was Remi. #bestgirl
I want her and John to ship... but idk.
I’m hoping he goes full vigilante and changes the worlds system. Go Leluech on everyone. To me, that be ideal. But idk... where the story is going now, Arlo (the attempted murderer) along with Blyke (another attempted murderer; threw John out a 3 story building w a sucker punch), and sera (the self absorbed friend) are all getting their own arcs and limelight.
Imo anytime John is not in focus, the story lessens. John is an original MC... anger, etc no redemptive qualities. If this gets fixed w talk no jutsu I’m rage quitting and calling this a B rated manuwha. Might even go closer to D. John for 200 chaps keeps it above E rank.
No one has really done right by John. Principal only stopped John... where was he for a year and a half???!? Dad keeps “hoping” his son will do well. Hope and a book are good and all... but sending your kid to get reprogrammed by a sociopath is not the route. We have no info on the mom... sera liked John when he was interesting and convenient; the moment she had to put work in the relationship... she distanced herself from him, colluded w a man who once tried to kill him... background checked him without his permission... came at him like “I know everything blah”, then seen immediately w his enemy, how could you ever trust her? Claire was closest... but once she colluded w his enemy and hanged up on him, she lost all rights as a friend. John has been failed by the system and everyone. Who he is makes sense, don’t agree with what he does... but makes sense.
If I see;
-Arlo redemption
-sera fight John
-sera get w John
-Blyke ever come close to winning against John
-John lose his powers
-talk no jutsu heal John
I’m rage quitting. And this gets dropped from s-rank to d-rank.
I’m not saying it must go the Leluech route... and I’m not saying he has get w Remi. But those are the best two routes presented in 220 chapters. Those routes will let it get into ruler/Soveriegn realm... not sung Jin woo realm, but closer.
Thoughts?
My opinion on it is that the issue is with the world itself rather than John. Those in power have extremely strong abilities, so they've made everyone believe strong abilities means you must be important. This created the system of Royals where even the youngest students fight each other for dominance, all the while those in control of everything allow themselves to grow even more powerful. Anyone who breaks this order like John, those who tear everything down around them into anarchy, is broken to the point where they can no longer function as a member of this society. John tries to escape and protect himself and others by becoming a cripple, thinking this to effectively separate himself from the cycle of fighting. Unfortunately for him, however, this is only a temporary solution, with him eventually falling into a pattern of repeating his past mistakes almost to the letter. If anything this shows that John may have some form of PTSD from the 'lessons' given to him before becoming a cripple. By being forced to constantly relive his mistakes and pain, it's ingrained it into his memory, so when the events begin mirroring themselves in his new school, he falls back into his old ways, even calling Seraphina by the name Claire in his most deluded. My guess on the future of the series is that Seraphina will realize this, working with the other characters to try and free John from this cycle by showing that people can change for the better and that he can finally escape the cycle of fighting. Or he'll just go see an actual therapist because god does he need one.
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It’s actually both, he did it as punishment since he constantly brutalized people and wanted to punish himself for all the things he did, it’s also since whenever he activates his ability John get’s corrupted by power and constantly brutalIzes anyone who crosses him.
This post was a while ago, but John’s idea of himself was mainly focused on separating himself from his ability, allowing himself to cope with the things he did by making himself feel like what he did wasn’t him, it was the ability. This caused him to resent his ability, as not a part of him, but a separate thing apart from him that caused him to get corrupted every time he used it. He thought everything was his ability’s fault, therefore he doesn’t use it because he fears he’ll be corrupted by himself, or rather his ability. This causes a complex within him, simultaneously making him feel weak when a cripple, and much too powerful when he is not.
I believe John is smart but doesn’t make smart decisions
I agree he let's his emotion get the best of them.
Same here, John is smart, a good fighter, strategic, and has potential, but his judgment is clouded with negative emotions, lack of trust, and bad influences that cause him to make irrational decisions.
Yeah, best way to describe him 👏
John isn't smart. It was shown repeatedly that he isn't the brightest guy around. His biggest problem however is not being dumb, but being too impulsive and emotional.
Making smart decisions doesn't make you to live a life without hate. Till there is love there is hate. We will still get targeted by Arlo and get emotionally fu*ked. Like said in the video their world is different to ours. What we think is unreasonable or unjustifiable might be reasonable and justifiable in their.
I agree with ShyChef, I can’t see another way for John to deal with his situation. I liked the addiction analogy, because it makes more sense once you start thinking about it. At first I also though it was a form of punishment, but that is not the case.
Alcoholics/addicts avoid places that are likely to trigger a relapse. It works some of the time, but despite their efforts; some do relapse.
The same thing goes for John. John completely avoided the use of his ability by playing cripple and excluding himself from the hierarchy, but the situation at Wellston made him fall back into that dark path again. To be honest, it took a lot to break John. Seraphina’s suspension, Arlo ambushing him, Sera losing her ability, Zeke and other students picking on her, all that plus the constant beat downs he received on a daily basis. In episode 84, after Zeke beats John up, Isen finds him, and said, “First he gets into all those complications with Arlo, and now he’s beaten like this, even with Seraphina back. At this rate, he won’t hold up.” Going into Wellston as both mid-tier and god-tier, would have made the process go a lot more faster.
Now, I would have like if John was a bit more honest to himself and more trusting. I understand that he can’t be totally honest. I mean saying, “Hey, I’m playing cripple cause I’m trying to avoid the hierarchy due to the fact that I was a horrible person and I beat up half my class back at my old school,” is hard to nearly impossible. My point is I wish he was more trusting towards Seraphina when she asked him if he’s okay. Same with Arlo when he pushed him, saying, “Act your rank”, “I wouldn’t trust anyone else but myself”, or “Fix it yourself”. John could’ve been a bit honest, by telling Arlo, “I can’t act my rank cause I can’t handle the pressure that comes with being a high ranker”, or “I don’t know how to be a good king”, “I have no trust in myself”, and lastly, “I can’t fix it because I’ll end up making it worse, everything always does.”
If only the school would have listened.
I don’t know if it’s just me, but I can relate to John in a similar way. I just can’t see another way and I would do the same thing. (Sorry if I’m ranting too long 😅 just this was a really good discussion video)
Well, in my opinion, him saying he’s a mid-tier wouldn’t work out in the first place. Ever since Sera asked that question, I’ve always thought of that answer time again. John’s power level varies, depending on what powers he copies or mimics. And yes, in the original, he can copy up to 4. But let’s say he’ll only copy one or two abilities to make it LOOK like he’s a mid-tier. If that’s the case, then it’ll be just like Sky Chef said. John would just gain too much attention upon himself. Once he pretends that he can only copy 2 abilities, more people would challenge him in larger groups. Once that happens, John would either take a lot of beatings as he was a cripple, or reveal that he can copy more than just 2.
Not to mention, Arlo would ask more about the ability and how it works, most likely. He let's nothing slide.
just pretend it was sensing only, mimic isn't his only power.
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That’s his passive ability; only accessible to high tiers. However, this would probably keep him at bay, but also make him a total target.
Why? Let’s say he lies about his true ability. He says that his power is to sense auras rather than mimic them. This would mean his lying ability power level would be very low, just like the low tiers. If he were to lie about his true power, this makes him an easy target. Also, don’t forget that John shows no fear at all. This could also be a bad thing in an attempt to hide. If he shows no fear to mid or high tiers beating him up, then they’ll become very suspicious of him. But let’s say for his sake that he faked his fear too? If that’s the case, then it’ll be the same thing over again.
He’ll soon become enraged, feeling helpless, etc. He’ll probably want revenge against those who wronged him. This may or may not change his friendship with Sera, but I don’t really think that’s relevant.
Anyways, TL;DR is no matter how much we try to change this, I see no possibility John could actually have a better life, due to horrible society he’s born in.
He could pretend to be weak, but he’ll always gain attention whether that’s good or bad. Some events will still be the same.
@@neutralball1099 I mean that he could seem like a high level user with a boring power, Juni had a power that was better for support and yet when John attacked her, she got curious as if her being attacked unprovoked was strange for her, we also see elaine who still has admirers and respect from high tiers specifically because she's a support, as long as John keeps his eye glowing as he's sensing around with his friends he's pretty much fine.
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In the world of Unordinary, power levels are determined by 5 categories: Power, Defense, Trick, Recovery, and Speed.
Being able to read auras doesn’t really have any of those benefits, hence why it would be a low tier. Also, there aren’t any “high level user with a boring power”. They’re only high tiers, because of their use of ability. They can alter their abilities to do many things. It’s even shown in the Unordinary series too.
Uru-Chan even compared two identical abilities. Blyke’s and a mid tier student.
The reason why Blyke is higher is because he has more knowledge, power, and tricks to use with his ability. He can shoot lasers out of 4 fingers, form a giant laser with both of his hands, and used his aura as some sort of shockwave. The mid tier student has only been able to shoot lasers out of its hand, hence why they’re ranked lower.
John’s passive ability would be considered a low tier, simply because it only meets in the Trick and Power category. Being able to read auras isn’t recovery, isn’t speed, or defense. It’s power is very weak, since it’s not a offensive or defensive ability type.
You should make a What If video about what would happen if John took his father's advice and tell Seraphina the truth. Instead of pretty much ignoring what his father said.
That is a great idea!
I have thought a little about that, but I am curious to see what you guy think.
@@nathanaelrobbins7717 I'm thinking of making a fanfic dealing with it John attended Wellston posing as a low-tier, and his past at New Bostin was different..
@@jorienwachukwu466if you’ve written that fic then can I have the link? It sounds cool!
@@maxinesteuer1959 It's still a WIP, but I'll let you know whenever I actually post it.
did u post it?
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I think maybe the reason why John decided to be a cripple is because for a way for him to atone and also he felt like he doesn't deserve to have power
It's self justice to him
But i feel like he should have seen a therapist or something if that was the case, him becoming a cripple won’t help him in the slightest
@@ThatGodzillaGuy i dont think they have therapist in there world
@@coldninja900 I’m pretty sure they do, the difference between our world and unordinary is well superpowers and ember
It's a combination of regret and wanting to ensure it doesn't happen again
I feel like the only way for John to regain his sanity is if Volcan/EMBER attack the school looking for either Remi or Blyke, with Seraphina, Asslo and Isen getting involved and John doing something against EMBER.
Tbh, I think that John's issue will be resolved due to Seraphina trying to help and understand him, even after all he has done to her (I really do love her, btw, she's just such a good person). I think she will heal John's mind, and then Ember will attack, or John will go after Ember. John will crush them, but learn about their connections to the Authorities. Thus, John will then take down the Authorities as well, but I think he will die in the process, due to the fact that he is represented by the hero in the book of "Unordinary."
This is the idea I have come up with. What do you guys think?
@@nathanaelrobbins7717 I don’t see him dying
I don't think Ember is ever going to directly attack the school for John to care. He may only get involved if gis father gets hurt (maybe something connected with the book).
Yea
I like part of what y’all are saying...
I’m with you. Arlo kind of did... but it was half hearted and in the midst of trying to stop John. Never confessed in public form, Asian culture shows kowtow etc, but nothing sincere. All, all royals; sera, Arlo, Issen, Blyke, injured John... and on several occasions. Never showing an apology. Only one who genuinely tried was Remi. #bestgirl
I want her and John to ship... but idk.
I’m hoping he goes full vigilante and changes the worlds system. Go Leluech on everyone. To me, that be ideal. But idk... where the story is going now, Arlo (the attempted murderer) along with Blyke (another attempted murderer; threw John out a 3 story building w a sucker punch), and sera (the self absorbed friend) are all getting their own arcs and limelight.
Imo anytime John is not in focus, the story lessens. John is an original MC... anger, etc no redemptive qualities. If this gets fixed w talk no jutsu I’m rage quitting and calling this a B rated manuwha. Might even go closer to D. John for 200 chaps keeps it above E rank.
No one has really done right by John. Principal only stopped John... where was he for a year and a half???!? Dad keeps “hoping” his son will do well. Hope and a book are good and all... but sending your kid to get reprogrammed by a sociopath is not the route. We have no info on the mom... sera liked John when he was interesting and convenient; the moment she had to put work in the relationship... she distanced herself from him, colluded w a man who once tried to kill him... background checked him without his permission... came at him like “I know everything blah”, then seen immediately w his enemy, how could you ever trust her? Claire was closest... but once she colluded w his enemy and hanged up on him, she lost all rights as a friend. John has been failed by the system and everyone. Who he is makes sense, don’t agree with what he does... but makes sense.
If I see;
-Arlo redemption
-sera fight John
-sera get w John
-Blyke ever come close to winning against John
-John lose his powers
-talk no jutsu heal John
I’m rage quitting. And this gets dropped from s-rank to d-rank.
I’m not saying it must go the Leluech route... and I’m not saying he has get w Remi. But those are the best two routes presented in 220 chapters. Those routes will let it get into ruler/Soveriegn realm... not sung Jin woo realm, but closer.
Thoughts?
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Can i say if Keon teach John and not torturing him...maybe he can handle better his power?
Because this is the problem he can't handle his power...but in the end they force him to be the King.
... ... ... it's so pitufull and sad... really he is a lost child.
Ah! I want to say i am a bit pissed at Isen because this phrase " he even worth it "... this make me realize that...the Royal don't belive to be responsable of this situation. Like really Isen? You spy on him, hurt him and expose him as the King....when you know, you know he wasn't able to handle the title and he doesn't want it.
I know they are teen, they are not bad. ..but... really? Arlo, Isen, Blyke and Remi...you really belive that John is a mad dog and you have no fault too?
... ... ...
Thanks for the video:)
If keon didnt torture him and tried to raise him like a high tier for that few months things probably would have changed
Correct. Keon and everyone has failed John.
mid tier are more problematic then the high tiers. The people at the top only fight to be all high and mighty. Low tiers try to stay out of it. But the middle always fight just to climb the later Juts to feel superior for those at the bottom.
Nah because mid tiers d9 it because they are opreesed by high tiers
lol the school actually got what it deserved though
Indeed brother. They wouldn't listen to him when he was a cripple so he made them listen in their terms.
Ikr
Yep
Amen
Lol
I think a large reason why john freaked out with power the way he did to Arlo and blake is that no one has said sorry for their actions against John. No one has said forgive me. Everyone around him acts like they have some sort of moral high ground. I think the frustration he feels comes from the lack of self-awareness others have for their actions. That is also why I believe the author has made a very flawed narrative. Because Blyke, Arlo, and the blonde hair guy who figured out John's past have no self-awareness of what I have done wrong and I should apologize.
Personally I would kind of say John's actions are justified. He's making a mockery out of the hierarchy and just beating them without an actual reason which was what the mid-tiers did. However, the brutality is quite extreme, but, I dont blame him. He's endured enough abuse, almost getting a beating for an entire year plus his childhood.. Yikes...
Also, where's Elaine? She hasn't been showing up lately..
@@mayo3877 I suppose so >u
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Nobody:
Me: YEA KICK THEIR AS**** JOHN YOU GOT THIS BEST BOY.
Also me: Noooooo..... John why u bully the rest of the cast....😭😭
Oh she died
Yessssss I love these Unordinary video!!!!!!!!!!
What if John had power all long ever when he was a little kid. Mostly like he would have not done any of this. I also feel bad for John but I hope John and Seraphina will be friend again or even start dating
me too
Yea that will be amazing
Imagine in season 3 John and Sera start dating
@@ninjashadow9513 yes plisss yessssssss
@@jandyelmaldonado2751 I know right. We must ship John and Seraphina and sail that ship
Great video, but I still think John having PTSD makes the most sense.
He can have both lol. They don't overlap. Like an alcoholic with cPTSD
@@cloudmgv8130 yah you could be right.
Sees John in the title, I click, no questions asked
Agreed
i could see John being friends with Remi most of all
What if Remi convinced John to work with them to set peace in the school but John had one petition
He didn't want to show his acual face he wanted to have the Joker Persona so nobody could reconize him like that his identity would still stay a secret
I keep saying Remi is the only redeemable character. She is the only one who could have helped John. It’s just the timing didn’t allow for it. #bestgirl
If your looking for webtoon suggestions may I recommend "Room of Swords". It's single handily the most overlooked gem I've found on that sight. Also their second season is getting close to rapping up so it's perfect timing
"If you were to write a story with me in the lead role, it would certainly be… a tragedy."
--Kaneki Ken| Tokyo Ghoul--
Kaneki quote represent john
I wonder what would happen if guys like Peter Parker, Miles Morales, barry allen, Geo stellar, Deku, and even Sonic were transported to this world?
It honestly needs more beacons of positivity, I think these characters would try to uproot the system and make things fair for everyone, both with and without powers.
They would certainly be strong enough to do so.
Honestly if I was John I would've just dropped out of school
Any child can throw a punch. But only a fighter can doge and block.
A lot of these comments are vying for Sera and John to date, but that would not only completely change the tone of the series, but also wouldn't work between these two characters. Nonetheless, have fun shipping 😅
I honestly prefer that they just stay friends.
When they make up they should, clearly seraphina doesn’t hate john
Against that relationship.
Is Sera the woman behind the slaughter?? She's purrple
Actually i personally dont think he lost that belief but the ppl dont deserve to know about it. Remember that scene where he was venting about weaklings with no back bone n n high teirs that uses there power for the most pettiest reasons. He dont believe the ppl shouldnt have that knowledge.
No he did loose it: when questioned by keon, he passed because while the message of the book is "respect everyone" and that society want him to think "respect only the powerful" what john really thinks right now is that no one, including himself is worthy of respect, sera exepted(well until the joker thing)
John would’ve been really bad at hiding it cause he got PROBLEMS
I love that john was seraphina light in season 1 and help her change for the better and now in season 2 is time for seraphina to become hes light save him from this destructive path be able to be together again and I hope that arlo, blyke never become friends with john after the last chapter in the fast pass blyke just prove how much of a hypocrite he is😄
How was Blyke being a hypocrite?
@@0-0studioslol88 people just hating on Blyke for no reason lol
@@dublethetruble4620 Exactly
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1. Blyke never helped John out... 1.5 years of being tortured and no high tier helped him
2. John angered him once, and shot a beam at his head
3. Blyke only helped him to nurse office because Issen said to (obviously for ulterior motives)
4. In his sanctioned matches (which he warned Remi about) he sucker shot John and put a hole in him
5. When in safehouse John didn’t hurt anyone (yet... probably would have), Blyke literally sucker punched him out a 3 story building onto cement (is this wasn’t a. A world of super powers and B. John who can copy any ability who happens to be quick thinking and super reflexes he would have got seriously hurt/dead)... anywhere else in a court of law we would call this* attempted manslaughter. Check it out
6. He doesn’t do vigilantism to help people, over and over again he states it that he’s doing it to get stronger SO THAT he can beat John.
That’s 6 observable FACTS that occurred. Don’t even need to go more.
He’s a bottom 5 selfish character:
Him, arlo, zeke, Cecile and sera are all objectively bad people (if we are looking at motives and morals objectively)
@@SS-lz6cb Alright. Let’s debunk this
Cool. That’s true, but saying he is a hypocrite because of that doesn’t work when he clearly changed
Uru confirmed that this was a *warning* shot. We don’t even see where the laser was in comparison to John’s head, sure he had to dodge it, but even then nothing suggests he can sense it perfectly. It could just be that the beam was near his head but didn’t actually hit it.
Blyke may be Isen’s friend, but he still frequently gets in arguments with him. It wouldn’t make sense for Blyke to carry John, wasting his time on someone he doesn’t like, all because Isen said so.
Cool. Joker slams Arlo’s head into the ground, riddled Blyke’s body with holes and beat Isen to a bloody pulp. This really isn’t a big deal
John was literally about to punch Sera and Blyke literally sees multiple students injured and let’s not forget the low tier John attacked for little to no reason. If it was the real world Blyke wouldn’t have even accomplished that, considering he needed his ability to do it.
So we just going to ignore him going out to fight Lennon, all because he saw low tiers get hurt, hell, in the actual fight he was considering not fighting him, but the moment a Low Tier is injured he steps in. Did you really ignore that?
I just wanted to say I absolutely love your videos dude! You’re doing amazing!
Actually John enrolling as a cripple is good idea for his objective of not getting involved with hierarchy, like seraphina questioned that why did he not enrolled as mid tier, to answer that, let's look at what John power is. Aura manipulation which is way cooler and stronger ability to have even if declared himself mid tier, he would be instant royalty which would have him in hierarchy, which he did not want to be a part of, to begin with. What is he gonna say about his ability, laser beam or lightning or some shit, because he has none of these but he can replicate and amplify them in a fight if he see these abilities. Actually this question is a no brainer to begin with
I like both john and joker character
Especially joker because in my eyes i see him as the representation of a doppelganger or a shadow like my favorite quote from bleach "this time your enemy is you." It fits joker character and his ability. The hierarchy lost to themselves and are now feeling the consequences of a single power system tyrant with a even worst attitude then them.
what if john told sera about his ability after Arlo ambushed him?
I love your content on Unordinary! This is by far my favorite web toon, and I think a lot about it. I would like to pose a question though: could John be even stronger than he is right now? I ask this because in many comics that I have read about people with abilities, there is frequently the most powerful person being able to copy abilities. However, John is different. His ability is called "Aura Manipulation," not something like the "copier" ability in Zero Game. That means that copying and ability is a manual process, as shown in his flashbacks. Could this have an effect on new applications to his ability?
Idk if other people think about this sort of stuff like I do, but I have thought a lot about this question I have posed, and thought I would post it to see if anyone else had thought on it.
I wonder how John will fight someone who can manifest illusions? .... Like someone who can make their opponent hallucinate and change their reality.
Well, shoot! First off, thanks for the video! I didn't even think to have John be a mid-tier, I completely forgot that part! I was more thinking that he'd revealed his power in front of Elaine, and people actually manage to have to respect him, he stays out of the king position, Arlo attacks him, and John beats him worse then he did in the original, leaving him unconscious in the field because he actually showed his full power ability, and still says the dethroning threat. As a result, everything goes the same that a normal powerful high-tier but in John's case. He ends up becoming a little lost, and Seraphina never loses her ability because they wouldn't hang out, and she never would've gone to Kovoro Mall. She ends up challenging John (still unsure on how that fight ends out, for this I'll say stalemate) and he goes on with his normal life, and things go from there, and Isen and the others like Cecile and Terrence would never had written a story about him. Cecile never ends up following John although tries to push him in the hierarchy again and he relapsed, beating Cecile with her own ability. Rumors begin to spread, and they make John even more angry and less sane. Then he is forced back into the hierarchy, doing the Joker arch without Joker and without the mask. Blyke becomes terrified of John and starts to become Nobody (crab rave music intensifies) and he gets dragged up into the same mess before, with Kuyo and Isen complaining to Remi and Blyke about not paying the bill. Safe house never starts, because they don't realize the issue with the hierarchy. (JOHN NEVER WEARS HAIR GEL YAY) and things become out of my sight because I am not caught up with unOrdinary fast passes and I will not leak spoilers. There are just some parts that I cannot cover because it hasn't happened yet.
Right now currently in the story, i dont feel sorry for john
John: i am inevitable
Power comes great responsibility and also with great power comes great temptation
I love your UnO videos so much
What if john just never went to school
Pros: none of this would have happened
Cons: none of this would have happened
I always feel bad for John
He should’ve said “anything you can do i can do better”
"What if... John had mental stability?"
Aura manipulation you might as well be able to manipulate others auras and take them away, which means John could take others powers away and give them new ones....where have i Heard this before..?
All for One
This video was pretty good. 10/10
You should read: Age matters :it’s really good
John finally gets redemption arc, also, he could've said "Well my ability is kinda complicated... and i don't want to go to my dark past"
People start fighting him right away cause they got no respect for dark pasts
What if john came to wellston and told people about his level and ability i wonder how arlo would do something about him
What if Sera Doesn't losses her hablility
John wouldn’t have had to use his ability. End of story lol
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As someone who always overthinks morals and ethics I have to say this is a masterpiece cuz I’m so conflicted.
However, I think if we say that the whole school is bad,then we must also accept that John is just as bad. Just cuz they deserved punishment doesn’t mean that John doesn’t have blood on his hands. Punishment can only go so far until u become another villain yourself
OMG I LOVE THE UNORDINARY VIDEOS!! E
Wow, didn't expect to come off this video so sad, but here we are. But, y'know, great work!
He could make better choices but John needs to be more developed. That means we have to develop him before the comic starts but after the New Bostin Incident. That's the only way that John could make better choices.
Ayo read 'the beggining after the end' tho its fire
Changing because you learned is better than changing becuase you are scared.
I often think about multiple timelines akin to the Fate/Stay Night routes. What if John befriended Remi instead of Sera? What if he somehow befriended Elaine instead of Sera? The friendship with Remi could’ve definitely happen but I imagine a friendship with Elaine would be do to her being tsundere for John.
What if John finished of alro when he had the chance???
I doubt Arlo would have gone after john if he pretended to be a mid tier as the reason he did in the actual timeline was because John was disrupting the hierarchy by being friends with seraphina and making her leave the queen position and the hierarchy itself
Fianally the what ifs have come
I would say John is possibly scared of his abilities because of the three months of torture when he was expelled so he probably decided to not use his power at all
I think i know why he enrolled as a cripple because if he was a mid tier he would have a power but he has to try and get that power every single day and if elaine asked him that when he enrolled as a mid tier he would probaly have nothing to say
What if John was never Gel John and reveled his Ability?
Answer: Harem
Who else wants romance in Unordinary? I want JohnXSera.
At first I was shipping it, but now it just doesn't sit quite right with me. Maybe in a season or two, but John isn't exactly in the right place right now, and Sera is just trying to understand why he's doing what he's doing and get him to come to his senses. It's what any sensible best friend would do, in my opinion. The relationship would need a lot of developing, considering they aren't even friends right now.
@@catthemeg336 Yea, maybe later seasons. But I don’t blame him for his actions, he’s been nice to people but everyone just seems to just push him back.
@@samyalthang2651 We’re not gonna have later seasons tho, Uru-chan confirmed herself that unordinary will have just about 3 seasons, and we’re around half way of season 2, unless she has been doing major planning since she took a break i don’t think JohnxSera will happen.
I hate royals thinks john is a pyschopath, how can they think like that lol he is acting the same way with them when they were top but they act like john is a demon and they are angels xd
Well Arlo doesn’t give a shit about John.
Blyke really doesn’t care about John. He mainly hates John because he beat the crap out of his friends. I mean yeah he had a reason but cmon you certainly wouldn’t like someone if they beat your friends to a bloody pulp. Blyke also most likely hated John because even after Blyke tried to make amends with John, he beat the shit out of him. He humiliated him. Even after Blyke wanted to be friends. That would piss anyone off. Not to mention how John didn’t apologize. He also keeps trying to destroy the Safe House,which was meant to make Wellston better. Blyke would hate him for that because even though John went on and on about how he wanted to make the school better, here he is making it worse.
@@omega8912 well John thinks royals didn't change and they created the safe house for dethrone him and its kinda understandable cause royals never intend to make something like safe house until John beat the shit out of them
@@omega8912 but I think the good thing about the unordinary there is no fully right side the reader makes the decision to who is right
@@ozankara4915 My only problem with that is, why create the safe house to dethrone Him? What’s that going to do to him. I mean maybe to gather up students but how would that work? Most students wouldn’t join. In fact it make things worse for the Royals as when John gets pissed off he would probably tear it down and show the other students not to disobey the King’s rule.
I don’t understand why John would think that
Yesssssssss I love unordinary. Also 4.2 is elite Teir like Zeke any thing between 3.5 to 4.9 is elite Teir
What if john becomes a superhero
Now I want to ask one question of another time line, what if John as a cripple by day, chose to become a superhero by night ? What outcome would happen here ?
Batman style i guess
How many times has he said “John”
I tend to wonder what would have happened if John just pretended to have an obscure mental ability to fit into the mid ranks.
I personally think if he had become a mid tier he wouldn’t have even met Seraphina in the cake scenario because Seraphina chose John to ask for the cake from because he is at the bottom of the hierarchy so she probably would have asked someone lower than him.
I can only imagine if John entered Wellston as himself not a cripple or mid tier just his high tier self
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I feel like you hit no many proverbial nails on the head:
-John knows he shouldn’t lead
-another aspect, John might have wanted a “retry” as well. Let’s do this without going crazy... then got drug back into it.
-Remi might have been closer w him
-Arlo is trash and would’ve went the same route
-Issen because of Arlo would’ve done the same
-Blyke might’ve been “cool” with him
-sera would have not been friends w John. She’s so self absorbed and is looking to “break the mold”. An average mid-tier would not have gotten a second glance. Your analysis puts her type of character on spot. I have never liked her as a character.
I realize it might be stupid now that i think about it, but my original theory on why he went cripple was that he saw how happy his dad was as a cripple, and he associated being a cripple with happiness. So he decided to try and do it for awhile, and it worked.(till Arlo came along) But i see there is a lot of mistakes with my little thing so yea. Your welcome whoever reads this i just wasted 10 seconds of your day
Mid-tiers are between 1.8 to 3.4 Zeke is an elite. Middle of mid-tiers would be 2.6. Just a thought
Now I’m wondering what would have happened if John was taken by the group that Leilah is part of. Would he lose his powers or partially lose his powers? Would he learn how to use his powers responsibly or would he continue to abuse them?
John should drop out and become a therapist
he needs a therapist tbh
I love your analysis on what might have been. Becoming a cripple/lowtier was the logical way to go (from John his point of view anyway) The problem with the plan was just that John is a horrible actor. He really sucks at pretending to be a lowtier. Arlo almost immediatly picked up on the fact that John acts like a godtier the moment he met him.
love these what ifs
I feel like if John got his ability at a younger age it would have been better he could learn the great power comes great responsibility but because he didn’t he lost himself in all the rage he has
There is one way around it start homeschooling for real and doesn't have to go near the hierarchy
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Who else wants romance in Unordinary? I want JohnXSera.
@@williamhilgendorf7615 Not really, the story seems to be going fine without any romance I don't see the need to add any this far in the story.
During an AMA, uru-chan said spoilers ;) (with this exact answer) to the question of whether there would be romance in the series. My guess it will be about future relationships that we haven’t seen yet or haven’t developed yet like Doc and Leilah and maybe some of the parents of the main characters, but it wouldn’t be the main topic of the story but help progress the plot. I do see some development with the main cast in terms of romance, but it wouldn’t have that much attention compared to the main plot and their development outside of romance.
So, he was screwed either way?
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what if john trained during his break and used his ability
Code Adam episode would be cool...
I just imagine if we took unOrdinary rules into real life, like we just randomly beat the crap outta people in wheelchairs for no reason
John ain't no Peter Parker. That is why didn't work.
I only have one thig to add to this and that's the fact that John could have befriended other low tiers. Thinking about it he could have made friends with other low tiers and fought with them. but then.... he would have also become corrupt again. So to conclude.. John just needs some intense therapy
What if instead of saying he's a mid tier with the ability to copy abilities, he posed as an elite tier who could only see and enhance auras? Seeing auras would just mean you can't ambush him, handy but not super strong on it's own but still hard for someone to mess with. But the second one would be the key, the ability to amplify auras. That's exactly what he is doing when he amplifies abilities after all and if he poses as a elite tier, he could get away with saying that he can amplify the abilities of others.
Edit: I know this idea has issues, I just thought it would be an interesting what if.
Edit 2: Bored from one year since the comment was posted here. We got an update to how his ability works so scroll down if you don't mind the spoiler from the current arc post Joker.
So, he can basically see someone's stats meaning instead of saying he can amplify someone, he can just saw that he can judge how strong someone is by looking at them while their ability is active. That would allow him to be support that is given respect like a healer since knowledge is power. It would also make people less likely to want to challenge him as its not a power based ability and it runs the risk of him exposing your strengths and weaknesses to people you don't want knowing them.
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Anyone remember when our biggest problem was not getting a slice of cake
Please try weak hero and boxer
Being a mid tier means a normal life but being someone without power you can see though the people and how they treat the low power people
But why or how would he actually loose control if he started the school off with being known as a high tier? It’s not like much people would want to bother him.
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Imagine if Sera died and john become the joker because of that