He really didn’t. He didn’t mind observing the corrupt heiarchy at school and getting free heals from doc. Arlo fucked everything up when he isolated him away from the infirmary and forced John to reveal his secret.
@@jahaudbedell6055 your probably right but think about how he probably feels. Last time he openly used his power of corrupted him and turned him into what he was at Boston. He might be acting the part of a cripple to avoid the temptation of using his power to rise up in the ranks.
What he needed form Sera during that talk was an it's ok. We can work things out together. Just someone to be on his side rather than impartial or opposing him.
I mean, *is* he though? I know I’m gonna get backlash but yes, he was crippled, and yes, he got bullied, but so has every other cripple that’s ever existed. ;-;
The only thing that makes john different than everyone else is he actually learns from what he did. Which is why he tried to change. Then Asslo steps in and shatters what he was trying to build for 2 years. Then slowly he reverts back but only this time he's not hitting people blindly. He targeting based on the hierarchy and the people who did him or Seraphina wrong. So is John's actions understandable? yes, he a victim of the Unordinary's society. Are his actions forgivable? To me yes because every beating he gave someone was usually because they deserved it. He got beat every day FOR 2 YEARS! Compared to that him going overboard on others is nothing. Are his actions justifiable? yes because he's experienced both what it feels like to be on top and on the bottom. Each area is messed up, one lives in fear, the others cause that fear for no reason. People in the school let the abuse go one because they can. Completely overlooking the feelings of others. Everyone in that school is fake just like he said. So him hating the hierarchy and the people in it is understandable. Are his actions Reasonable? yes to him, he's lost because no matter what role he takes. It's going to end the same with people turning against him. I'm sure everyone would get sick of trying to change knowing there is no point because of this horrible system. But like you said no one is a hero. Everyone has a different point of view, which all just goes back to the hierarchy problem. This is all just my opinion on the matter. Great video and congrats on 1 year Shy Chef!
I agree with everything here except the idea that John actually tried to change. He didn't, what he really did was run away from his past demons and put on a mask to hide his true self. This is of course understandable since his past was quite literally weaponized against him by Keen and the authorities. But he didn't try to learn from his mistakes, he ran from them
John is not better than any of us. he has problems, he gets angry, he wants revenge And gets out of control. Just like any of us. Those who hate him are hypocrites. Because in the end I feel we would do similar things after a certain point. That point is our breaking point
I don't hate him and you're right when you said his actions got out of control but that still doesn't excuse anything he did, no matter the state you're in your actions have consequences and you always need to take responsibility for those actions no matter the circumstance
Abyss, you’re so right. I remember reaching a breaking point when I was bullied, I was an emotional wreck; I cried so many times, I was growing angry and frustrated that I started lashing out at anyone who came across me. My friends would tell me that it was getting hard to hang out with me, I started being the bullly. My consequence was that I was losing my friendship with my friends all because I was becoming the one thing I promised I would never become. That experience made me realize that I was taking out my frustration on people who didn’t deserve to be treated that way. I have been revengeful, but after some time, I also became forgiving; I changed. Like Seraphina said in this week’s episode, “John did change.” We all change for the better, but we are not perfect, we make mistakes; we will lose control from time to time, but the good thing is we can always take a step back, learn from our mistakes, and do better.
The biggest complaint that comes up is that when John fights he goes overboard. But when you think about it is there really as such a thing as "overboard" around there? 3-4 super powerd people gang up on 1 person they see as powerles and no one bats an eye. That's overkill if you ask me. On top of that there is a key difference Between Johns brand of violence and the others. John seems to be more brutal than everyone else because he has a reason be vindictive as a result of being everyone's punching bag, everyone else decided to beat up on him just because they could. Who reason is worse?
He usually goes overboars, but... that's because he has bottled up everything and released it all. I... don't think that the brutal beatings are "right", but I fully understand what he does
I get the feeling that if the hierarchy worked the way the royals thought it worked then kids would only attack people near their power or as nessicary to defend their rank privileges, a lot of the royals like Remi and Blyke's bigger problem is ignorance, even the more twisted Arlo seemed surprised when Evie told them about the systematic bullying of the low tiers by the mids. So having been ignorant to it seeing this type of thing portrayed by John must be a shock to many of them. Also John can and has kept hitting after the person is already unconscious, I mean they can't feel pain at that point what's even the point? Just damage for damages sake.
@@vamp_bat_chomp There's aggression then there's boiling hateful aggression. As for royals like Arlo not knowing about the systemic abuse going around I guess that can be chalked up him thinking he was the only one doing it. Back when Seraphina was suspended and he was on to John being stronger than he pretended to be he still believed he was stronge enough to dominate him, so he tortured him still. Arlo and some of the other high tiers are so ignorant about it that they don't even know they're part of the problem.
@@vamp_bat_chomp bruh john only attacks if u attack him so. Also when they used to beat john there were 4 v 1ing him and didnt stop after he was down so why should he.
Its why I love the newest public chapter, because John literally explains this to Zeke and how now that Zeke is powerless against John, he's sorry, but if John was a real cripple, Zeke would have had no problem beating the shit out of John in front of everyone.
I like how John's ability is similar to his actions. If somebody bullies him or hurts him, he comes back at worse and more violent. Just like how his power copies and makes the ability stronger.
Honestly, everyone keeps looking at what John does and doesn't do. As a cripple people only looked at the fact he had no power, and so they ostracized, beat, and abused him. John sent a couple people to the hospital, he was in the infirmary every single day, sometimes multiple times a day, the doctor made it clear many times that he hated having to treat john all the time. Arlo called out John for hanging out with High Tiers as a cripple, and so the *King* of Wellston, the person who's supposed to be at the top, made a special trip to beat John into the dirt, damn near would've killed him too if he didn't have a power. Then after finding out John had a power and having been beat, all Arlo cared about was the Hierarchy, and tried multiple times to make John take the Kings position when he clearly didn't want any part of the system at all, Arlo couldn't even see John as a person (or much of anyone else for that matter) just as a power level. Blyke tries to blow Johns head off, Isen corners him and breaks his wrist with a smile on his face, and then they try to be friendly and can't understand why he doesn't like or trust either of them. Every other mid to high tier has also taken a turn making Johns life miserable, and damn near unsurvivable. The only one (besides Seraphina of course) who hasn't done anything directly harmful to John was Remi, but Naivety and Ignorance are not a saving grace. She goes to confront John about his actions and tries to condemn him for what he's done honestly believing that the school was a "safe" and "happy" environment before he started acting as Joker, not realizing that the only reason she has to call him out is because a high tier was given the typical treatment of every single low tier in the school (maybe a little worse since they all thought he was a cripple, definitely worse when Arlo called him out but that's an outlier to the daily treatment he received). If the mid to high tiers in that school didn't act the way they did, there wouldn't be any problems, the only reason it's a problem now is because someone's actually able to fight back this time. It's like a bunch of kids in our world picking on the small kid that looks funny, not knowing he knows martial arts, then acting surprised and saying he shouldn't act that way when they get beat up themselves. Basically, in the world of UnOrdinary, the only reason Johns actions are seen as "wrong" is because he's targeting high tiers as well and not just picking on the weak low tiers. In my opinion, John's actions are completely justifiable and reasonable, and I will continue to support John. That being said, I do hope his dad or Seraphina can get through to him, only so that he can be happy again, not because I care about any of the people John's beaten so far, they all deserved what was coming to them (except for maybe Remi, like I said she didn't do anything to actually hurt John in any way, but she never did anything to actually make the school a safe place like she believed it was either).
@bacon god Its a weird paradox, John is the person that we spend the most time with and have the most information about, and yet most people still seem to understand him the least. We've seen him from almost every angle, his past and present, his fears and hopes, hes outright told us his motivations and people still dont seem to understand him. John knows that power corrupts him too easily, thats why he wanted out of the hierarchy when he joined this school, but his hand was forced, and slowly but surely he became more and more involved with the hierarchy again. John just wanted to live a normal life, but day after day he got beat into the dirt, and so after his hand was forced, after he no longer had a choice he made sure everyone knew how much of a mistake it was to force his hand. Power corrupts John as I said, because when he uses his power he knows how easy it would be for him to exact his vengence. His saving graces were UnOrdinary and Seraphina, but the moment he lost both of those were when his troubles truly began. Seraphina came back but by then it was too late, he was already falling back into his old self, and Seraphina couldnt catch him in time. Monster, this is a word that haunts John, from the moment claire spoke them, and when Seraphina confronted John in hid mind all he could see was Claire betraying him once more, calling him a monster. John is a broken character, when we first meet him he was healed but still scarred from his past, and from the moment Seraphina and UnOrdinary were taken away those scars were reopened and more were put in place, and while John hinself isnt entirely blameless for the chaos hes caused, he most certainly isnt the most at fault. I would say the blame goes in order of Society, Detective Dude (forgot his name), Arlo, the high rankers in general, John, Claire. Sorry if my thoughts arent that organized, I tend to go off on tangents, especially when a topic gets me really heated, at the end of the day though my main point is this: John and his motivations make total sense and I 100% support him.
Its not that johns actions arent bad, beating people is bad. But he is justified in it, he got beat every single hecking day and put up with it in a happy attitude. He may do bad actions but he is not a villain, he is better than every other high tier. Blake never truly owned up to his asshole behavior so he has no right to be mad at john for what he does. Remi is naive and overly optimistic, optimism isnt bad but be realistic. She only started helping when john started doing something bad, not when her close friends immaturely threaten powerless people.
It was always clear that the hierarchy was messed up, but his actions are bad, and its his own fault as his childhood friends did not become cruel after they got more power. He also bullied his own childhood friends when they only did good things for him, and he did never change because he wanted too, it was not because he was good, it was because he was sent to the red hair guy. He goes too far, because he became a bully. Also, he could have revealed his power after arlo and protected sera. And he slapped the queen who was only ever nice to him and others for a bad reason.
Ninja Dynasty yeah, he never even tries to make anything better, i can name some ways he could have avoided this all. 1: not go into the school as a cripple but reveal yourself as a god tier immediately and help everyone in the school feel safe. 2: reveal yourself after arlo and just let everyone know you are strong without becoming king. 3. Climb the hierarchy and do not drag innocent people in in the process or leave the defeated half dead, he says he is “destroying” it but the only thing he is doing is climbing the ranks+extra violence
He was forced into a monster by asslo in the beginning, and ppl just force him into broken friendships abd into joker, in other words, i think ppl who say johns a monster should consider how he wouldnt be this way if it werent for the horrible king asslo, and how they didnt notice the horror of the low tiers getting destroyed by the upper class, but i still think hes both Edit: i left out a ton of stuff bc i was too lazy to write, but there are so many other factors for this to include
Deep down inside, John is a good person that shared the same morals as us, it’s just that he’s surrounded by hypocritical people that think’s it’s okay to hurt people that are weaker than themselves, but they wouldn’t want the same thing happening to them. I say it’s alright for John to give them a taste of there own medicine, then they’ll REALLY learn what it’s like to be on the receiving end of their abuse. And you never know, this might Headmaster Vaughn’s plan after all, maybe he might want all the students to look at the Hierarchy a different way like John.
@AdBa Playz Thanks. But aside from that comment, the OTHER reason why I want him to be the good guy is because I want John and Seraphina’s ship to sail, and I know uru-chan wants the same thing. How in the world do I know? Because she posts all of that art of them together.
Say what you will Arlo wasn’t a bad king. Yeah what he did to John was wrong and also very stupid but with regards to the school he was actually holding it up pretty well. Also, John won the battle but in the end Arlo won the war
"If you're willing to overlook John's actions, then you have to forgive everyone" This is false. To equate two actions together without considering the intent of those actions isn't the way we do things. That's like saying robbing someone and killing them is the same as killing a home invader. It's not. Everything John has done has been in retaliation for the shit he went through. For all of you "two wrongs don't make a right" moral guardians, Let me remind you that Illena and her goons assaulted John (chapter 41) because he was a "cripple", then she was involved in Sera's kidnapping (chapter 129) and beat her to a plup because "this is what high tiers deserve for the way that treat us". Never mind that Sera did nothing to them personally and lost her powers, the fact that she's a high tier was reason enough to kidnap and beat her. She even gave a speech to Arlo about how unfair it was despite her doing it herself. Now, John beating the life out of her and her goons for what they did to his only friend, is the same thing a beating up someone who never wronged you? No. It's not. We wouldn't tolerate someone doing us harm irl, So why should we expect John to?
Exactly in your analogy a robber killing someone to prevent them getting caught is self preservation while someone killing a home invader to protect them self is self defense Johns actions may be understandable but everyone is the world of unordinary has to deal with the pain and actions of their past it’s how they deal with them and how they move forward is what matters. because remi, Isen, and blayke didn’t realize the corrupt system they were in beaches they couldn’t see it first had and now they are trying to fix it . While John has experienced the system first hand his whole life and has suffered a lot because of it he is trying to fix the system to but because of what he experienced he knows that people only really respond to violence that is why none of the high tiers can understand his methods because they didn’t go through the pain that he did. That is what makes Remi, Isen, Blayke and John redeemable characters because they are typifying to fix the system unlike arlo who may or may not realize the system is corrupt be It doesn’t care because it keeps order and him out of too much trouble even if low tiers are suffering because of it.
yep i agree with everything john is not at fault like i said people want bring out his monster even tho he learn and hated but no one cares and now they have deal what they have done i do think get better overtime and i think john a plan in the end
But he starts to push the people that love him AWAY, and in his childhood when claire was helping him, he started to abuse his own friend, "yellow hair kid" and then when seraphina is in trouble he leaves it all up to Arlo instead of trying to help Seraphina in secret. explain that
@@M.I.D.ORIGINAL That was already explained in the story. John started off as a cripple, got strong and then got back at the people who wronged him. He did take it too far by turning on Claire and Adrion (yellow hair kid), which led to Claire setting up the ambush. Afterwards, he had sessions with Keon. We still don't know what exactly happened, but those sessions, combined with William writing UnOrdinary for John, made him attempt to turn over a new leaf. The reason why he left everything up to Arlo was because he feared that if he used his Powers, he'd revert back to the terrible person he was at New Bostin and Sera would label him a monster just as Claire did. As far as helping Sera in secret, he destroyed Juni, Zeke and the people who kidnapped her while acting as Joker/Tuesday. That counts as help since that eliminated threats to Sera's well being
The way how I see it is (and I took this phrase from another comment Ik) John is a misunderstood monster He isn't entirely wrong for getting back at the system but the way he does it makes him "the monster" everyone states he is. He has hospitalized mutiple people throughout Unordinary and has caused pure anarchy throughout the school (now I doubt this will be the case since he was recently unmasked to be Joker) Had he simply defeated his enemies and walked away, I would completely agree with him as no one is ultimately hurt But the fact he *does* go overboard is what makes him an interesting character and makes this situation not black and white as both haters and fanboys of John makes it seem
I actually forget that John is supposed to be in arlo’s class, he had a gap year, he should be a year ahead, Arlo’s year. My point is I was just surprised how low he portrayed john’s voice until I remembered this
People are treating John like villain but he doesn't deserve it. Yes he's taking things way over board currently but think about what built up to this. You got him being bullied by Asslo since Asslo's precious hierarchy can't allow someone as powerful as him to live quietly. Then you add onto the fact that Sera got in big trouble because he or her borrow his copy of Unordinary and the stress he had to go through during the time he was gone. Then you have Sera losing her ability and John wanting to protect her so he starts using his power again but because people are constantly picking on her John slowly starts losing himself and then you have Sera confronting him after he beats the royals and he thinks that she has betrayed him and he most likely feels like he lost his only friend because of his own actions... I may not agree with what John is doing but I can understand what he's feeling and I personally think he is the victim in this case. But it's so sad seeing people hate on the author because of John actions especially since they can't seem to understand why John did it and just seem to think that John just decided to start beating everyone
@@GrayIceChop He didn't listen to his friends because he got corrupted by power, beat down and ridiculed all of his friends, and then got mentally abused for 3 months straight. After that he was so broken he literally gave up his true self, abandoned his power and just wanted to be left alone in peace. Then he got beat everyday, his best friend got expelled for reading a book, and then while she was gone he was tormented and eventually lead to trust Arlo who backstabbed him and then tried to beat him down. Man isn't selfish, he cares about Seraphina more than anything he just lost himself and she helped him found his way back.
I still don't see john as a bad guy even now. Everything was from claire's perspective. At the end claire said that john was a tyrant that cared about nobody but himself. But she was wrong. Because john cared about clair. And he loves seraphina. To john the world is nothing but violence. For him it's kill or be killed all the time. He is like a war vet who sees danger everywhere. People around him look at john like why is he so crazy? But to john the entire world is crazy. The entire world is a battle ground. He is not a bad person. Despite the damage he dishes out I don't even think he is technically sadistic. He isn't happy about hurting people. These current events or even the past was not what he wanted. He just wanted to get along with everyone and be happy but this world is cruel. He doesn't want everyone to fear him not really. He just wants basic courtesy and respect. He doesn't know how to function in this society so broken.
@AshtynX naw after she got tired of watching him beat up people she distanced herself from john. It looked like he replaced her soon after. And yet when she walked by after the break john watched her from a distance with a disappointed and longing look. And when he got her letter that she wanted to meet up again john looked really happy. He even smiled which was rare for him in those days. And he refused to listen that she might have betrayed him. The idea that she was never his friend to begin with is what really set him off. I think he did care but his strength mattered more to him.
i wouldnt say if we forgive john we have to forgive others because everyone else beats up people because they feel like it. John did it because they hurt him first , I made a video talking about this is john the villain of this arc . If we look at it from the point of him overly hurting people if we compare it sending someone to the infirmary everyday vs sending someone to the hospital for a week whats the difference ? John tried to change but everyone else seems like they are power hungry whenever they are actually in the position of power but as soon as someone stronger comes along they kiss their feet. Zeke did this to seraphina when she was strong he kissed up then she became cripple and attacked her. I don't think those who cause thing upon themselves deserve forgiveness or mercy , letting people go and not teaching them a lesson just means they'll do it again.
There is no forgiving senseless violence, whether that comes from John or from anyone else for that matter. What needs to be done is to stop this cycle of violence so no more of this hatred is to continue. Of course, it won’t be easy and there will still continue to be violence in this world, but if there is at least an understanding, then at least they can start heading somewhere, and that understanding has to come from understanding situations like John and that he is no different than everyone else and everyone else is no different than him.
Angela Alfaro those assholes needed to be taught a lesson since clearly talking to them or appealing to their humanity meant jack shit to them. Some people can only learn to behave through pain.
Jonh had revenge in mind and even if his past can't be considered diffrent from high tiers do lower-tiers the present time in the comic forgiving Jonh wouldn't be forgiving others since he has a reason that might or might not be a good reason but he atleast has one unlike all the other people that missuse their power
I'm my opinion John's actions are definitely not forgivable. He goes about everything the wrong way but then again his actions *are* understandable. He's been hurt both physically and emotionally by people and also probably thinks it's his fault that Sera lost her ability since she was caught with his copy of Unordinary that he let her borrow. So yes what he does is unforgivable and the wrong thing but it's understandable and makes people(or at least me) feel sorry for him because his life has slowly been on a downward spiral and he even lost his best friend because of his actions yet again.
I feel like John had a rush of power and didn't know what to do with it. His only thing to look on was how other high-tiers treated him when he was a cripple. No one around him that was a high-tier who used their power responsibly so he wanted revenge and that was the only way he new how.
It wasn't even completely revenge. When he beat down his ex bully, he was gleefully leaving, but the little shit called him a cripple. In this worls you get beat down for bumping shoulders in the hallway.
@@EnclaviousFiraga but then nope,John is the monster. People like Claire and Adrion literally have the slave mentality drilled into their brains,that's why John has a disdain for bottom feeders too cause they simply accept and even refuse to stand up,John always stood up whether he had power or no power
@@nitinbhattacharyya8784 I think you are completely right, but Claire and Adrion's reasons most likely are because they don't want unnecessary violence even if it means they are hurt and bullied themselves.
Even in the latest chapter where John fully came out of hiding and showed everyone his joker and declared himself King there's probably still gonna be few people thinking oh he's just a cripple lemme go beat him up nobody in unordinary admires and look up to those stronger to them they all envious and secretly hate them but just too scared to say anything so anyone stronger than them is a monster just John is King of monsters On a side note John ability is aura manipulation so shouldn't he be able to not just manipulate his aura but others as well?? Instead of boosting his attacks can't he use his ability to shut down or block other's aura channels effectively stopping their abilities from activating?? Then John can really become the protagonist of unordinary by turning everyone else into cripples
About John controlling other people Aura I don't think that's possible. It at least not at the current strength of his power(I think it's at 7.4??) But even if he could do that he really wouldn't need to since his personal combat skills are amazing the add onto the fact that he can give a power boost to abilities he copies and can use them very well(sometimes even better then the actual owner of the power)
Does he know he's going to far though? since if you pay attention especially during the scene were Sera confronts him he's not exactly in the best state of mind. so for all we know he probably thinks he was holding back a lot
They last few chapters just feel like they did John’s character a disservice. In the flashback episodes they showed him almost completely narcissistic and almost unlikable. I mean yea he could have been born with a personality and/or antisocial disorder but it seems like they went out their way to just paint him in a bad light
Not really. If you read the flashbacks really well you will know that not even Claire is innocent. Claire was happy to show his visions to John at first because she wanted someone strong on her side. I don't know if you've reached the part where Claire was happy to see John beat up the bullies (I use fast pass). Claire decided to step in only when John became brutal and was over doing it. Apart from that Claire was also enjoying John fight.
If you read new fastpass chapter it explains a lot! John didn’t start off as a monster, but he was turned into one. All of his actions are understandable in my opinion and the only thing I didn’t like was his attitude, haha. Besides, he learns that everyone is just as bad as him after letting someone else take the wheel, and finding out how people would hate him and judge him even if he was king or cripple.
John was getting bullied when he played as a cripple to the point where they basically almost killed him so I’m on John’s side because everything he did by now is probably less than what they did to him
I think John is misunderstood cuz litterly John was here to actually have a good life in that school but litterly everyone would beat up John everyday so I think they deserved it and he tried his best not to hurt people but he had no choice
I think he was forced to fight with zeke and i think i understand when he activates his abillity and revels himself and thank you for making these videos the are really good
From what we’ve seen, John has better control of his anger, but he decides to lash out in a controlled manner instead of contain in a controlled manner. If he tears down the hierarchy, he might get the Royals to realize how much they f**ked up the system actually is and for them to finally see what it does to mid tiers, low tiers, and the rare cripple. Also, John’s power level is VERY dependent on the ability/abilities he’s manipulating. He’s averaged at 7.0 from New Bostin as a 1st year. What could he be now? Especially with Seraphina, who’s am 8.0. That’s not the point though, the point is that John’s actions, at least at the present and in terms of their universe, are at least justifiable. Doesn’t mean he’s some hero, no, but he certainly isn’t acting in the attempt to harm for pleasure, at least not anymore. He has a reason. A purpose. To give some perspective on the issue, but he’s not giving the Royals an easy way or a hard way. He chose for them. The hard way. He fits the description of an anti-hero. He does what needs to be done, no matter how dirty he gets his hands.
I found something interesting with early chapters even after John befriended Seraphina she still believed it was ok to hurt the weak which is probably why she didn't help John when he was in fights. Btw to anyone who thinks john goes to far read episode 5 of UNordinary so it's okay when Sera does it??? The chapter after he wakes up and is forced to drag himself to the nurse.
This is like the best video of unordinary I've watched so far; John wanting to change society for the better, and I'm hoping it does get better by next year too.
John was never objectively WRONG in any part of the webtoon. He came in looking for peace, got messed up for a while and kept looking, then the king couldnt leave him alone, and he finally snapped. Now he's acting the EXACT same as the rest of the royals do
John is in the right, since the beginning he’s was treated like a low level animal being abuse all the time. I don’t think he’s abusing his power, now that he’s has the power he’s going show how it feel, he’s getting pack back and revenge for hows he treated
If it was just revenge I'd agree, but he's hurting a lot of characters who did nothing or very little to him, Remi's only crime was naivety, Blyke shot a few warning shots after John slapped his friend while she was trying to help him. Even Isen's wrist incident isn't nearly as bad as what Seraphina did to him in the flashbacks, so why is she forgivable but Isen isn't? But some people he beat up did really deserve it Juni, Arlo, Zeke, Ventus, Meilli, fake joker girl. Except he did kick the last one after she was already unconscious, what's even the point, she cant feel pain by then.
I get what you're saying, this is what I see from John; he was treated like shit before he had power correct, I believe in one ep, he basically states he hates all the elite because of how they were treating him and others low levels, so why take their pity? I stand with John cuz I see myself in him, we both were treated like shit from other students. we hate the people are supposed to be above us. Now that table have turn, why now take their pity, John have ever right to do what’s he doing because at the end of the day it’s just paying back the world for what they created
Joey Shears and it’s not like he wasn’t trying to change at first, he was normal taking everything people threw at him for a year straight, and finally he had enough, I feel like everyone will do the same if their were in his shoes
@@godgod2340 oh I totally agree that what he's doing is understandable, my only issue was the wording of in the right, just because something is what most people would do doesn't mean it's the right thing. I still very much like him as a character, I just think what he's doing right now is the technically wrong thing even though I am very much enjoying watching him do it.
@@godgod2340 but to compare it to my own life I grew up in an emotionally and physically abusive household under an aggressive alcoholic father and an absentee neglectful mother, my older sister soon started to take very much after my father, now if this had been purely applied to my father and mother who absolutely deserved the retaliation she would have been entirely in the right, or at the very least close to entirely, the moment she started abusing me, my middle sister, her friends, her boyfriend, the fact that it was a learned behavior didn't excuse it, the people she was abusing had done nothing to her, similar to John beating up first his abusers Arlo, Zeke and then random people who'd never done anything to him, Remi, Blyke. Likewise my fathers behavior was learned from his father, of being abused justifies becoming an abuser then good to know I have the right to beat up whoever I please. Oh and that my dad and sister did nothing wrong and are entirely in the right.
honestly, he's a really complex character. it seems like it's hinted that he may have mental disorders? i'm guessing pstd, anger issues, maybe bpd? i'm so excited for the new chapters i can't wait to see how his character develops :0
I'll be honest but when John started using his powers I was happy he was finally putting others in their place. While he was beating the hell out of Zeke and Juni I was actually rooting for him. Even when Ventus was begging John to let him save Meili from permanent injuries, maybe even death, I was still glad to see her fall and John stab him. If they weren't willing to show mercy to John then why should he even consider showing any to them? I was even a little disappointed on how it seemed Arlo got off fairly easy all things considered. And then there's when that group of students abducted Seraphina I was hoping John would get there first so that he could do what I believed he did best... Inflict the same pain they inflict on others, literally hitting them the same way they hit him or someone else. In the end I was practically cheering for the brutality John brought on others, and honestly If I were put in the same scenario as him I can't say I'd be any different if not worse. But then as it continues I start feeling sick as he hurts others more than they deserve, and at times when he has more things to worry about. When he cornered Isen for his ability, he could've just copied it and run off to find Sera and let him off with a broken arm, maybe even just a off handed thrashing. But in the end he focuses more on his own revenge than the morals that made him who he was. He can't see any kindness anymore, no compassion, and has no trust in anyone anymore. In the end he just wants the world to tear itself apart. The more I think of it, the more I think back to the captain from castlevania and his point on human cruelty and kindness.
I mean, Isen tried to pry into his past and crushed his wrist for literally no reason...I think the only people he’s attacked that didn’t deserve it are Blyke and Remi.
To be honest, I mostly agree with you op. No one granted him mercy, so why should he do the same? Arlo ambushed him, Isen broke his wrist and he was even beat up as a "welcoming gift" when he moved into the school dorms. But the terrible part is that when John finally snaps and goes on a rampage, he's the one being called a monster when he's LITERALLY doing what everyone's been doing to him. I will admit though, after he publicly defeated the royals I was hoping he would stop and work with Remi on bettering the school, but even I knew it wasn't likely to happen. I really do like Remi the best though because she's aware of the changes that need to be made, especially after she and John had a private talk in his room. But in the end, two wrongs don't make a right. I find myself being unable to blame John for all the violence is been accumulating around the school because the violence didn't start with him. It started with the elite and high tiers taking advantage of the low and mid tiers. He really is just paying the violence forward via his own form of karma(aka beat peoples asses). But in being unable to blame John, seeing him act so violent pains me because of his previous philosophy that we saw in the beginning of the comic. He was literally an angel when he came to Wellston and his thinking helped Seraphina when she lost her powers. All and all, I just hope John doesn't continue on his rampage because things will only get worse if he does. On an offhanded note, he's likely suffering with PTSD from his time back at his previous high school and his time in rehabilitation classee(ie that ASSHOLE interrogator making him relive some of the worst moments of his life). Said PTSD is definitely influencing his actions in the comic so I worry what will happen if the situation gets more out of hand. Imagine if he gets suspended and sent back to rehabilitation classes. That interrogator guy will definitely come back and traumatize him further. He'll be even worse off than before, going in one of two directions: A. Going back to his rampage and possibly taking it outside of the school and into the city, possibly becoming similar to the people we see Remi and Blyke fight as vigilantes. or B. Becoming an empty shell of a person :((( Okay so that's all I wanted to say lol! I kinda got off topic at the end but that's okay! I hope to hear it reply!
@@GxGNoir The heck you talking about Blyke for sure got what was coming and Remi also if you think about it she's the queen and your saying that you never notices that the low tiers were suffering all this time? She legit started doing something when her friends finally got involve face it she was a bad queen they finally started doing their job right when they took a beating from john.
Ssj3sonic12 I’m not saying those two weren’t bad Royals, but I don’t remember them ever deliberately harming John like everyone else. Blyke threw a blast at him one time but that was only because John called Remi a bitch (after she tried to help him) and slapped her
@@GxGNoir He slap her hand away and tried to apologizes before Blyke shot at his "head" if john was any slower that would had seriously injured john. Blyke basically shot at a cripple no matter how you try to justify it, what he did was wrong.
*He beat up some bullies* *got his head slammed into the table several times* *so he tried to change* *then he got beat up for it* *so he beat them up* *So is he gonna have his head slammed again?*
John is both. Like John said in this recent episode he’s a monster, but everyone else is just as messed up as him. He’s doing exactly what everyone in UnO does, as a strong person he picks on the weak, just like everyone else. He hates the world around him because everyone is the same, they torture anyone weaker than them and grovel to anyone stronger than them. He wants to break down the hierarchy that caused so much suffering for him and his friends. No one ever supports him in the show. He doesn’t want to burden Sera with his troubles and everyone around him never supports him. Remi is the closest to doing so as she’s conflicted and sympathizes with him but doesn’t voice it, she just says he’s wrong. John was beaten down and broken every day for all of his life and went without support every time he finally fought back. John is human, and as a human everyone short of sainthood would break. In my mind his actions check all the boxes aside from one. They are not reasonable, no one is in that messed up world.
Ok, I understand I haven't watched the video yet but I was rereading unOrdinary and got to the part where Arlo betrayed John. John asks, "How did things end up like this again?" I was thinking about this particular question. Coming to a conclusion, John was betrayed the first time because he was too powerful and abused his power, while this time, it was Arlo's doing, but they are parallel in a way, John was on the top of the spectrum of power the first time, and this time, he appears to be at the bottom. He was first betrayed by a low tier, somebody opposite him, and the second time, a high tier, also somebody opposite on what he appeared to be. Both times he fought back against the betrayal and won, in the same way, but Claire's betrayal leads him to become a supposed cripple, while Arlo's betrayal leads him to become a high tier. They are all about crossing that line of ordinary, a mid-tier. I want to emphasize the fact that these stories all begin or end on opposite sides of the spectrum, dragging some of the other extreme side into the situation. An example of this is dragging Sera, Claire, even some of the high tiers at Wellston in. These stories are parallel. By the time I get everything out this will become an essay.
John is the definition of what would happen if the good guy snapped. The only reason people view his actions as unreasonable is mainly based on the fact he punished those who wronged him in some of the most DARK ways possible. Not on the fact he got payback, but on HOW MUCH payback he felt was needed. Do I agree with how brutal he was? To an extent, I absolutely do. I feel the choice of BULLY or BULLIED really drove opinion for most fans. But I have seen where this goes, in both reality and fiction, and see where concern is warranted.
Um... both? He is still a monster, but only when they forced John to act like that. But the only reason why they did that is because they misunderstood him. If Arlo left him alone, none of this would’ve happened, but they kept making it worse for John.
Zack Zander No. the reason why they did that wasn’t because they misunderstood him but rather because they are violent assholes who prey on the weak to feel better about themselves. They only respect the strong, as shown in how they all treated John when they though he had no means of retaliating. If they had treated him with human decency, he would have remained a non violent person for the foreseeable future.
Regardless of which side you believe (I'm personally a moderate Misunderstood), I hope you recognize that even if he's a monster, he's still the one with the most recognition of his actions. He is currently in a state similar to a berserker, but aside from that, he is far more aware of his actions and everyone else's than he is given credit for. It took Arlo well into Season 2 before he even began thinking about the limitations set on High Tiers due to being High Tiers. Every other character is constantly trying to piece together what's going on around them, but John is fully aware. (Just Berserk.)
I love John's character so much. He reminds me of Arthur Fleck from the recent Joker movie, I even wonder whether his alter ego was inspired by that character. People attacked John because they believed he was weak and now want to be reason with him when he shows his power. Just like Joker, while his actions go waaay overboard, it's hard not to sympathize with him because his actions are a form of revenge. It's difficult to watch him lose his sanity and his friendship with Seraphina.
Here’s my thoughts I think John could’ve been a good leader but when he was a cripple people finally found someone weaker than them so they beaten him and his friends when they were down so here’s what happened to John he was tired of the he was treated so he wanted fight back but when John got his chance he was able to fight back but when he fought back he became them like beating them when they were down when he had his power he didn’t listen nor did he realize what he became everyone still hurt John in his emotions. So I say John is misunderstood the low tiers and mid tiers had fucked him up and broke him so I say John was forced in to a different path
John is one of the only people (besides Sera) with why he acts the way he does: Experience! He’s experienced both sides of the spectrum, the abuse of low tiers, and the entitlement of the high tiers… John has looked at what he’s done before and he thinks the only choice he has is to forget about his powers, and start life anew…. Until Arlo betrayed him…. Now, John is reverted back to what he was; The Monster…. But a monster with a purpose; Destroy the Hierarchy, and protect Sera….
To me when John had a goal I could understand his actions were they extreme? Yes. Was it satisfying to see? Yes. But now it seems like John doesn't know what to direct his anger at so it's going everywhere I just hope he calms down a little soon
He’s a beast. And he is misunderstood. They say he is a hypocrite for beating everyone when he wants that to stop. But wether he beats them or not they’ll go around picking on the low tiers. He is just giving them back what they served. They deserve it. When he was down they didn’t stop. They kept hitting him. They are just unlucky that he is overwhelmingly powerful that even with a little kick you go flying 🤷
the only thing that sucks in the story is how they constantly try to double back and portray john as the bad guy yet he always keeps the moral high ground basically no matter the situation in the later parts of the story. he even makes the effort to be a good person at the start of the story to learn and he even went through all that juvie stuff, but then the broken society of that world just breaks him down. if you want to undergo the dark past and resurfacing tendencies thing sure, just don't make him the biggest goodie two shoes at the start of the story and have that story be around how everyone picks on the goodie two shoes.
I agree that the author should not have started the story in that way at this point the story really isn’t going anywhere there is no spark of conclusion instead there’s just this big pile of mess that can’t be cleaned up because the story makes no sense anymore...I honestly think the author should go on a hiatus so that they can simplify the story
i'll just put it this way: in a society like this, where showcasing your strength is the only way to get by in the world, talking things out doesn't mean anything. you can't talk to an aggressor in an attempt to stop thier voilent behaviour. the only way to get them to stop is to make them, or else they will just belittle you and do it again.
But when you say" if we can overlook Johns actions then we have to over look the others too" I kinda disagree with that when people bullied John they bullied a helpless person with no ability to fight back whatsoever but when John fought they HAD the ability to fight back. If you were John wouldn’t you be mad knowing that people who KNOW that you can’t fight back and KNOW that you are going to lose just beat you up for satisfaction?And then suddenly one day you have the power to fight back and even win. Wouldn’t you take that chance? Keep in mind that they bullied him till like 7th grade. All that hate and anger that John had had been bottled up and has been waiting to be released. But it was A LOT more hate and anger than you could ever IMAGINE. So he beat the crap out of people. But power got to his head and that’s when everything went wrong. He became king and even beat up the people who he considered "friends". So yeah in conclusion I kinda don’t agree with that statement. I love your videos tho!!!!
I’d say he’s a bit of both Like all of them, John is human. All of his actions are understandable because we see what happened throughout all of those 2 years, he was horribly bullied by everyone for not having a power. Are they forgivable? Definitely, just like arlo’s actions are also forgivable. Are they justifiable? At the beginning? Sure, after a while? No. He became the exact monster he sought to fight against, and his actions being understandable does not make them justified. There’s no peace in anarchy just like there was no peace in the way the school was before. His actions being reasonable is different thing, they are reasonable because you couldn’t change the system without using your power to do so, that’s how that society is. However, he went way too far. Of course. The problem with this is that there are 2 key points. John became the shell of a better person, but he wasn’t okay. He was beaten into becoming ordinary again instead of being given the therapy he needed. He was gonna snap eventually because he never actually faced his problems, he just locked them up, which caused the explosion of his feelings to be a whole lot worse. It was Arlo’s fault he exploded. However we see that all of the big characters are trying to change for the better, even Arlo (to a certain extent) Which is why they are also trying to stop John and get him to back to his senses. Which is why he let Seraphina know about John, she had to know. Since she’s one of the few that could possibly bring him back to the way he was. On another note, I case can be made against John because he wasn’t trying to make the world better. If he was really against how the system was, why didn’t he use the power he had to attempt a change in the system instead of just living as a crippled and promoting the system with his very existence? This can be refuted with the fact that to change how a world operates with just one person’s action, it requires the actions of a whole group of people to create real change. Which is what slowly John has managed to accomplish, but at the same time has almost managed to not accomplish with his actions. So I agree, there’s no real answer, which is why I feel that makes him a misunderstood monster
I like John as a character. He is very sympathetic, and the society of the UnOrdinary world is fucked. John has no obligation to forgive those who've treated him like dirt. When it comes to John I would like to quote the captain from Castlevania. "Revenge is good, bastards need punishing. But once you win and you take over they're region you become a ruler of a place." Once John does change the system and takes his revenge he should teach people how to be better. And even after that the Society of UnOrdinary is strictly against heroism, and are filled with selfish bastards only worried about themselves and they own wellbeing. So they might even see John changing the hierarchy as a threat and might try and shut him down. Or worse come after him. Also I'm very surprised that Late Bloomers in the society of UnOrdinary haven't become extremely depressed. The way Keian (Hope I spelled that right) puts it, Late Bloomers can't win. If they are truly doomed to fail then what are they supposed to do, fall into they're supposed place in society? Be abused by those stronger than them and be looked down on? To me that's a fairly poor outlook and my heart goes out to these people even if they are just characters.
John has experienced betrayal over and over. So ofc after a year of torture, he had enough and started getting angry like anyone else would. But at that time he put his trust in a new "friend", who took everything away from him, dragged him out, and crushed him with 2 other people when he could easily do it himself. And that is when he realised that he got betrayed again, even though he was the exact opposite of what he was before. He realised that he couldn't do ANYTHING about it, so he snapped, and beat the shit outta Arlo, but even with all that, he still had sympathy. He let Arlo keep his throne, and could've beat him way more, which was what Arlo deserved, but didn't. Even after that, Arlo still wouldn't follow his orders, people beat up John when he was looking for his best friend Sera, so he used his power to protect Sera, and tried destroying the hierarchy so that she wouldn't get hurt. But that was when Sera realised that John was joker, and started hanging out with the person that made his life hell. So he revealed his identity, and the moment that happened, everyone who looked down on him ran away like cowards, Remi started a safe house which was taken as a insult to John, Sera screamed at him, and disagreed with everything he said, and the headmaster gave him a final warning to never do that again, even though it wasn't his fault. Just imagine this in real life. Imagine being John. I would be broken.
Understandable - John's actions are extremely understandable because people reach their limit and John who has been beaten up for 2 years would really want to blow off some steam. It will be very hypocritical of me to say otherwise because even the weak when given power turn evil. Reasonable- Is everything John did reasonable? No, it is not reasonable because like what people said, John has seen both sides, the low and high tier. This means that he should've been open minded enough that beating up people and abusing power is wrong. Justifiable - His actions aren't justifiable because if he just wanted to climb the hierarchy then he should've just climbed it without going overboard with anything. (Reference to the final sentence of my reasonable). It is even more stupid that he didn't wanna reveal that he is the new king, he didn't wanna take responsibility for the things he has done like what he wants the high tiers to do, be responsible and change. Forgivable - Is John's actions forgivable? Yes, it is forgivable because as to where the webcomic is going now, everyone is starting to develop as an actual human being with actual morals although of course this will trigger the constant debate of "does the end justify the means" which the answer to this is yes. Basically John is just as hypocritical as the high tiers he so wanted to change. BUT that does not mean that the high tiers are better than him, John is still better as he is seeking for change despite chaos being his answer. An exception to the high tiers however is Remi who despite being a high tier and not experiencing getting beaten up regularly understood what it means to be weak. In fact, the only thing I'd say where Remi really screwed up on is convincing John to drop on climbing up the hierarchy. If you re-read the chapter you will clearly see that John is listening to Remi explain that there is a better system introduced by his brother however her fault is when she said that Blyke, Isen, and Arlo will help when she clearly knows that John has not seen any improvement from them and therefore will disagree. Her words could've ended the entire Joker gimmick but of course it's not that easy because I am a reader of a webtoon and therefore see both sides and I can re-read every chapter and read the characters unlike Remi.
Honestly, the only time he EVER did anything wrong was when he punched Cecile after she told him about Asslo and Sera, which happened after he overthrew the hierarchy. Every other time was within reason, even the fight against Remi. With Arlo, that was straight forward, Arlo back stabbed him and had two students show up to beat John half to death, which is where John finally had enough. John against Isen was after Arlo told John to handle it himself, so John did since Arlo was being a giant baby about it. John against Blyke and Cecile were all apart of him overthrowing the hierarchy and fighting with their rules, so he was within his right to flex his strength. With Remi, the whole reason it got to the extent it did was because Remi cheated and instead of adhering to the rules of combat set down within the hierarchy, she brings 2 other's to fight John, thus meaning it's no longer a 1 v 1, it's John defending himself against 3 assailants, and once Arlo jumped in, John had even more justification to be more brutal. So no, John's not a monster, especially when he's following the rules of engagement within this world. The high tiers are the ones who are showing that they themselves don't truly believe in the hierarchy bs, because the moment they're beaten by the same rules that they were so hard set on following, its suddenly unfair and that the rules they were happy following for years is suddenly wrong.
Theory Time! So after reading everything and binging this amazing story I think I have a grasp / understanding what's possibly going on. So John reached his breaking point the moment he lost Sera. He's pretty much addicted to the idea of having total control over things and his inner desires clash with this concept because of the book Unordinary opened up a bigger picture for himself. He's relapsing tho because of Keon pretty much giving him PTSD. Keon made him constantly see certain imageries from who he was during New Boston which has made him even more unstable. The program didn't really help him, if anything he was traumatized to the point he was scared of himself. Because of Arlo making him so isolated and Sera pretty much being his factor of keeping him in check from relapsing made him have PTSD moment and being reminded how he was betrayed/lost all his trust in his eyes. John is literally the persona of what would happen if all low/mid tiers were to grasp the power he's gained. The book Unordinary's philosophy made him realize how disturbed/wicked his thoughts were. John has obviously shown he's aware he's repeating his same mistakes and is still reminded of his past. He's sadly justifying it tho because of what he's experienced. He's even called out the double standards the hierarchy holds in the system he's grown up in. Sera being a good friend is slowly piecing together his past and I'm fairly confident the amplify drug will be connected to them finally resolving his inner issues. John needs a factor that isn't a "joke" in his eyes. He needs someone to be Unordinary. Sera is that said person. He's never met anyone who acknowledges his mistakes are wrong but accepts the person he was trying to be. He was lying to Sera because he was afraid of her seeing him as a monster. He was lying to himself because he never wanted for this situation to happen. He resents himself his anger is not only towards the very people who have hurt him but it's mostly targeted at himself overall because of what Keon did to him has made such a impact on him mentally. As for what is happening currently this amplify drug as I mentioned earlier will come into play for John / Sera's relationship. This amplifier will be used later on either on Sera or someone else. The reason I come up with this conclusion is because John needs a reason to protect people. He needs a reason to show sympathy and compassion just like the hero in the book Unordinary. Yes, he has stated he doesn't want to be a superhero but what other way can he cope with his power besides using it for good; for justice! Someone important is going to get hurt or sadly I must say may die. :) Thank you for reading. Support the author guys. I'm happy I'm alive to read this cwfm❤️
In all honestly the way I feel is, we as people have a snapping point. Everyone I’ve seen it I’ve never met a person, who you could push to the floor kick them. And have them just turn the other cheek, at some point there going to snap. And the longer they have to endure, the more explosive there retaliation is going to be. From my standpoint- I’ve noticed most people say John is crazy he is overreacting, he’s not the only one dealing with it. So no he’s in the wrong, and everyone else has repeated his exact mistakes. Late bloomers, But my issue is that, it’s obvious that there’s something wrong the hierarchy. Not late bloomers, if late bloomers were treated right. No if everyone were to be treated right, then characters like John Would have never gone down the path they have. I mean look what path John took when he was given an example, of what a hero is. He clinged onto that idea and tried to be different, but society did it’s job through Arlo and other students. Pushing him back, over and over again. Until Snapping point. The thing that I’m enjoying is how much he’s grown, because now he isn’t just retaliating randomly. It may not have been said in the WEBTOON now, but I feel like John has figured out. That no matter what side of the spectrum he’s in, wether it be a weakling who gets picked on, he’s going to feel like shit. And if he shows his power and becomes king, people still won’t accept him. Because in his eyes, picking on people is what’s acceptable by their society’s standards. But when he does it he’s seen as a monster(dude obviously goes further than everyone else don’t get me wrong). But if feel like he understands, that he won’t be happy in those circumstances either. And his only option now, even after seeing history repeat itself. And sera not being by his side, he realizes the one thing tied to all the pain. Is the hierarchy, so he’s made up his mind that it has to go. And I have a feeling that, Johns going to make more advances in character. Throughout the series, and maybe even have some epic Redemption arc. And that’s going to be the best arc, since John right now is one of the most interesting characters in fiction for me right now lol. Probably going to get hate for that last comment.
@@denkerbosu3551 yeah to a degree Remi was oblivious and therefore it continued and because she got her shit pushed in she became aware of the situation of the low tiers which in a way is a good thing
@@ayyyjirachi6530 thing about empathy is sometimes you can only relate after you go thru the same thing others did, and royals lacked that I don't know about the ones who get beat and pass down the beating on lower ranks after, no empathy to be found. Which seem to be the norm in this world So maybe it needs a joker indeed
Remi started to care about the school after her buddied started getting beat up. Untill then she only cared about her problems only (her brothers death). But she had thise problems and was the first oerosn of the royals who made efforts to change things, I can give her that, in contrast with Sera who, whike being No1, only cared about getting tea.
He is both...yes that is a contradiction but that’s what it means to be Human! Flawed, illogical, weak, powerful...all that stuff. All I know is I love this manwha and can’t wait to see how it all ends.
The funny part is, in the recent chapters they paint John to be this horrific monster that beats everyone up for no reason. Everyone’s reaction almost made me forget what John has been through before everything.
Can we talk about when will they noticed Unordinary and make an anime out of this? Like seriously, its kind of rare to see the MC where people view him as a bad guy, a good guy, or a broken man through the entire story
Erm... I call this "Handsome Jack Syndrome" now, because John went through basically the exact same things that Handsome Jack from the borderlands series did, he started out a good person, but as time went on, more and more people betrayed him, until he snapped, and changed for the worse
John clearly has no faith in anybody in Welston. Even if the royals are starting to make changes for the better and have been recognising their own mistakes, the damage was already done to John who refuses to accept these changes and simply describes them as schemes that aim to hurt him. And it is possible that if John didn't beat the Royals they wouldn't have made any progress, they were simply relaxed with the way the system worked, they shouldn't cry about John's actions. Especially Sera who, while being the most powerful, let Arlo do whatever he wanted and let the system run as it did. John is surely the only one that can't be blamed as a hypocrite in this story.
episode 83 John said to Zeke that "You beat up a person who couldn't fight back. Does it feel good? You feel like you accomplished anything? You must be so proud of yourself. Go ahead, you can do whatever you want from me, just don't forget you are just like me." For me that line he knows that using his powers will make him the same like everyone else. He knows the moment he use his powers he knows he will abuse it. That's why he doesn't want to lead. He knows he isn't fit to lead. That's why when Remi says that he is a hypocrite when she tells him why did he hide his powers if he wants to change something. He only tells her that he is only stepping up to fix everything or rather destroy everything, so anything besides him are all equal.
My opinion on John is that his misunderstood and you can't change my mind. When John joined the school he did nothing wrong. Then people started bullying him for absolute no reason other then that he has no "ability".
John got the worst of the world, he got one wish granted once, the path of revenge, a gratifying but damaging path, he gets put on another path, he actually tries real hard not to fuck up, but once again got the worst of the world, and dare i say even more worst than before, and even then, he instead of going full on bestial and satisfactory revenge, he just brings his paint to those that inflicted it on him
I had a dream about this where John admitted his past to the school and allied with Remi and Isen to tell the school how John visioned it before; a calm, safe place where everyone was happy. He left his message to everyone. (Also I think that John took the name Joker because of the time he was happiest; playing Poker with his dad and Sera, and the first letter of his first name: J. Poker + J = *Joker*
John is not the monster Joker is, I think of John as Anakin Skywalker with a second chance. What I’m trying to say here is that John and Anakin have a lot of similarities to each other their major ones is that they want to protect the people they care about by using their powers but their dark side makes the go about it the wrong way. They both want balance but somethings in the way of that like with Anakin theirs Darth Vader and with John theirs Joker. And no, I don’t think John and Joker are the same person let’s take a look who the characters are for a sec: John: The school cripple that steps in to help other from bullies, shows remorse for his actions, the kid who inspires other people through confidence and strength, wants to be their for Seraphina every step of the way and is Kind to others. Joker: The original John, a rage filled, remorseless, violent, narcissistic, power hungry Tyrant that spreads fear and chaos where ever he goes and cares about only destroying the hierarchy and ruling over Welston he used to care about Seraphina but until their argument he resented her and said she was dead to him and the one who treats Arlo like an Errand boy. And also joker comes up every time Johns bubbles turn black. You see the difference between the 2 characters. Every time he talks in those black bubbles, he becomes a totally different person like the John we know didn’t exist. The major thing that Joker lacks is remorse and John has remorse. An Example of this is when Joker was in the infirmary with Cecile and said Joker shows no Mercy. And example for John showing remorse is after the argument with Seraphina he starts to fall to his knees and cry as if he’s showing remorse, and joker would never cry , he would Call Seraphina a worthless Cripple and finally turns in John into the Monster he was back at New Boston. These things I’ve listed are things that John would never do. Every negative action Joker does effects John Negatively, Joker is just destroying Johns life more than helping him and honestly I don’t see John as the main antagonist but joker is, because John wants peace between the High and Low tiers at welston and protect Seraphina without using his powers but Joker gets in the way of that with his Violent outbursts, Hatred toward the the students, And just being a heartless monster.
claire broke johns trust at the beginning which led him to not trust adrion either, and later arlo destroys his small trust he had which is making john hard to believe that seraphina isn’t actually his friend aswell which is why he is mad at her, later cecile uses him just like claire did for her spot back in the press but because he had no care for the school anymore he gave it to her anyways. what i’m trying to say is that his actions are not forgivable but are understandable, but this is all my opinion.
John tried to change for the better and he was pushed into madness and when he began to leave it while at the edge someone kept pushing him farther in causing him to fall into old habits once more
For real if Isan and Blyke fought over fucking pen then seriously every action John did was justifiable. Infact the high tiers, ALL of then were more or less hypocrites. When John goes on knocking them out in combat he is termed Psycopath or crazy or wild. But when Arlo unnecessarily tortured the defeated in combat or when Elaine degraded John for being crippled or when other mid tiers picked on John or Seraphina (after her ability) its just OK. The entire series initially had their own code of conduct but as John showed his true power everyones code of conduct started resembling ours. Everyone become noble when John went crazy. Its almost like the comic wants everyone to constantly hate John no matter what... If someone is up to date with series then seriously just re read the first 25 episodes and you will understand how their morals and reasons for combat, basically everythings changed.. seemed kinda like the author forgot the initial way people were
John's action were justified . Think about it they weren't just bullying him they were breaking bones and basically torturing him. Think about how much pain he must have gone through it's not easy to break an arm or a leg . He must've gone through so much torture and that much pain can break a person both mentally and physically. Think about kaneki he was tortured and look how he turned out .
But think about the world they are living in, everyone was taught that the strong rules over the weak. It was basically a norm and most thought it wasn’t wrong. You can see one in the chapter that Remi saves a low tier from a mid tier, and the mid tier didn’t see anything wrong with it due to it being so natural. John was a guy who suffered through that and showed everyone what he felt, and everyone realized Oh wait, the stuff i’m doing is wrong? Then they learn through the process. In the first part of john turning dark, his actions were justified. But now, he’s just beating everyone up now overlooking everything. Assuming that all of these people are fake and can never change. John is broken and lost all trust due to the Arlo breaking him little, but doesn’t mean he’s justified by beating up everyone and keep the school in a chaos state and keeping the school from moving forward. Now John needs to change.
John became a monster. That is my viewpoint especially after getting through his backstory. He was corrupted by power and slowly lost himself in the process. The thing with John is he went through some sort of "rehab." It's obvious from that it wasn't pretty and after turning over a new leaf. John eventually does the same shit that he did beforehand. Which doesn't help him out either.
It's like the other replyer said. By doing so he becomes just like them and if you forgive him then you got to forgive all the others who used their powers to harm those weaker then them
It was the entire Royal members verses one person, how he got into this position was by the Royals. He got clean after his first rampage, he was "punished", the Royals has yet to experience punishment for their failure to do the right thing for someone like John and punishment fell upon them. John is in the right but now he's unhinged and confused, this has to be by PTSD for him to not trust anyone enough to calm down.
John never wanted to do anything wrong. The People In His School Just Constantly keeps Bullying him Which made him snap. So it's basically Their fault. Tbh I kinda miss White Text Bubble John.. AND Hair Gel John
Seeing John from ep 1 all the way to the present I still support John he isn't wrong about the world at all, he was beaten so many times even if he couldn't move from when he was a kid to him pretending to be a cripple. Him wanting revenge makes sense, him beating up Isen for example is highly understandable bc Arlo denied finding Seraphina while secretly finding her so John had to himself. Arlor still mocked him and didnt understand John didnt want to be part of the hierarchy Arlo ignored and it just made John stop caring anymore and more and more time goes on his views on the world changes from a peaceful time with Seraphina to him wanting to end it all why should he care if everyone so entitled to their power and want to seize control, abuse everyone, in force their power on other He's just like us IRL people alot of times we break and stop caring about the world.
let's be clear here by the standards set in the manga the hierachy favors the strong. Only the strong. He did just that he was being strong without restraint and he did the same thing that the bullies did to him. Most not if all of the characters come off as hypocritical when they see john go on a rampage when they did the same to him.
when John started attending Wellston highschool, he didn't do anything wrong, change my mind lol
He didn't do anything wrong then but as soon as he stopped using the hair gel it all spiraled downwards
I miss hair gel john....
I'd rather John beat the shit out of everyone than have his hair gel back
He really didn’t. He didn’t mind observing the corrupt heiarchy at school and getting free heals from doc. Arlo fucked everything up when he isolated him away from the infirmary and forced John to reveal his secret.
But he wouldn’t be in this position if he only showed that he had a little bit of power tho
@@jahaudbedell6055 your probably right but think about how he probably feels. Last time he openly used his power of corrupted him and turned him into what he was at Boston. He might be acting the part of a cripple to avoid the temptation of using his power to rise up in the ranks.
John isn't a monster, he's a broken person who doesn't know what to do with himself
Yeah he's lost in his own world.
He needs a huge hug :(
What he needed form Sera during that talk was an it's ok. We can work things out together. Just someone to be on his side rather than impartial or opposing him.
I mean, *is* he though? I know I’m gonna get backlash but yes, he was crippled, and yes, he got bullied, but so has every other cripple that’s ever existed. ;-;
@@whizz_0711 Is he a broken person? Of course he is.
The only thing that makes john different than everyone else is he actually learns from what he did. Which is why he tried to change. Then Asslo steps in and shatters what he was trying to build for 2 years. Then slowly he reverts back but only this time he's not hitting people blindly. He targeting based on the hierarchy and the people who did him or Seraphina wrong. So is John's actions understandable? yes, he a victim of the Unordinary's society. Are his actions forgivable? To me yes because every beating he gave someone was usually because they deserved it. He got beat every day FOR 2 YEARS! Compared to that him going overboard on others is nothing. Are his actions justifiable? yes because he's experienced both what it feels like to be on top and on the bottom. Each area is messed up, one lives in fear, the others cause that fear for no reason. People in the school let the abuse go one because they can. Completely overlooking the feelings of others. Everyone in that school is fake just like he said. So him hating the hierarchy and the people in it is understandable. Are his actions Reasonable? yes to him, he's lost because no matter what role he takes. It's going to end the same with people turning against him. I'm sure everyone would get sick of trying to change knowing there is no point because of this horrible system. But like you said no one is a hero. Everyone has a different point of view, which all just goes back to the hierarchy problem. This is all just my opinion on the matter. Great video and congrats on 1 year Shy Chef!
You make great point, totally agree with you.
love this explanation. i 100% agree
now pretty much he is beating people beacuse they played him and did something to him beacuse of fight with serpahina.
@@masacvetkovic7718 yep
I agree with everything here except the idea that John actually tried to change. He didn't, what he really did was run away from his past demons and put on a mask to hide his true self. This is of course understandable since his past was quite literally weaponized against him by Keen and the authorities. But he didn't try to learn from his mistakes, he ran from them
Guy : *Activates powers*
John:
"I'll copy your homework but improve it a little".
John is not better than any of us. he has problems, he gets angry, he wants revenge And gets out of control. Just like any of us. Those who hate him are hypocrites. Because in the end I feel we would do similar things after a certain point. That point is our breaking point
thats true
So true
Yeah, and he even tried to become a better person unlike what most people would probably do
I don't hate him and you're right when you said his actions got out of control but that still doesn't excuse anything he did, no matter the state you're in your actions have consequences and you always need to take responsibility for those actions no matter the circumstance
Abyss, you’re so right.
I remember reaching a breaking point when I was bullied, I was an emotional wreck; I cried so many times, I was growing angry and frustrated that I started lashing out at anyone who came across me. My friends would tell me that it was getting hard to hang out with me, I started being the bullly. My consequence was that I was losing my friendship with my friends all because I was becoming the one thing I promised I would never become. That experience made me realize that I was taking out my frustration on people who didn’t deserve to be treated that way.
I have been revengeful, but after some time, I also became forgiving; I changed. Like Seraphina said in this week’s episode, “John did change.” We all change for the better, but we are not perfect, we make mistakes; we will lose control from time to time, but the good thing is we can always take a step back, learn from our mistakes, and do better.
Torture is a special kind of evil. Can change a person.
The biggest complaint that comes up is that when John fights he goes overboard. But when you think about it is there really as such a thing as "overboard" around there? 3-4 super powerd people gang up on 1 person they see as powerles and no one bats an eye. That's overkill if you ask me.
On top of that there is a key difference Between Johns brand of violence and the others. John seems to be more brutal than everyone else because he has a reason be vindictive as a result of being everyone's punching bag, everyone else decided to beat up on him just because they could. Who reason is worse?
He usually goes overboars, but... that's because he has bottled up everything and released it all. I... don't think that the brutal beatings are "right", but I fully understand what he does
I get the feeling that if the hierarchy worked the way the royals thought it worked then kids would only attack people near their power or as nessicary to defend their rank privileges, a lot of the royals like Remi and Blyke's bigger problem is ignorance, even the more twisted Arlo seemed surprised when Evie told them about the systematic bullying of the low tiers by the mids. So having been ignorant to it seeing this type of thing portrayed by John must be a shock to many of them. Also John can and has kept hitting after the person is already unconscious, I mean they can't feel pain at that point what's even the point? Just damage for damages sake.
@@vamp_bat_chomp There's aggression then there's boiling hateful aggression. As for royals like Arlo not knowing about the systemic abuse going around I guess that can be chalked up him thinking he was the only one doing it. Back when Seraphina was suspended and he was on to John being stronger than he pretended to be he still believed he was stronge enough to dominate him, so he tortured him still.
Arlo and some of the other high tiers are so ignorant about it that they don't even know they're part of the problem.
@@vamp_bat_chomp bruh john only attacks if u attack him so. Also when they used to beat john there were 4 v 1ing him and didnt stop after he was down so why should he.
Its why I love the newest public chapter, because John literally explains this to Zeke and how now that Zeke is powerless against John, he's sorry, but if John was a real cripple, Zeke would have had no problem beating the shit out of John in front of everyone.
I like how John's ability is similar to his actions. If somebody bullies him or hurts him, he comes back at worse and more violent. Just like how his power copies and makes the ability stronger.
Honestly, everyone keeps looking at what John does and doesn't do. As a cripple people only looked at the fact he had no power, and so they ostracized, beat, and abused him. John sent a couple people to the hospital, he was in the infirmary every single day, sometimes multiple times a day, the doctor made it clear many times that he hated having to treat john all the time. Arlo called out John for hanging out with High Tiers as a cripple, and so the *King* of Wellston, the person who's supposed to be at the top, made a special trip to beat John into the dirt, damn near would've killed him too if he didn't have a power. Then after finding out John had a power and having been beat, all Arlo cared about was the Hierarchy, and tried multiple times to make John take the Kings position when he clearly didn't want any part of the system at all, Arlo couldn't even see John as a person (or much of anyone else for that matter) just as a power level. Blyke tries to blow Johns head off, Isen corners him and breaks his wrist with a smile on his face, and then they try to be friendly and can't understand why he doesn't like or trust either of them. Every other mid to high tier has also taken a turn making Johns life miserable, and damn near unsurvivable. The only one (besides Seraphina of course) who hasn't done anything directly harmful to John was Remi, but Naivety and Ignorance are not a saving grace. She goes to confront John about his actions and tries to condemn him for what he's done honestly believing that the school was a "safe" and "happy" environment before he started acting as Joker, not realizing that the only reason she has to call him out is because a high tier was given the typical treatment of every single low tier in the school (maybe a little worse since they all thought he was a cripple, definitely worse when Arlo called him out but that's an outlier to the daily treatment he received). If the mid to high tiers in that school didn't act the way they did, there wouldn't be any problems, the only reason it's a problem now is because someone's actually able to fight back this time. It's like a bunch of kids in our world picking on the small kid that looks funny, not knowing he knows martial arts, then acting surprised and saying he shouldn't act that way when they get beat up themselves. Basically, in the world of UnOrdinary, the only reason Johns actions are seen as "wrong" is because he's targeting high tiers as well and not just picking on the weak low tiers. In my opinion, John's actions are completely justifiable and reasonable, and I will continue to support John. That being said, I do hope his dad or Seraphina can get through to him, only so that he can be happy again, not because I care about any of the people John's beaten so far, they all deserved what was coming to them (except for maybe Remi, like I said she didn't do anything to actually hurt John in any way, but she never did anything to actually make the school a safe place like she believed it was either).
Exactly people don't put themselves in John shoe's they just look at his actions.
@bacon god Its a weird paradox, John is the person that we spend the most time with and have the most information about, and yet most people still seem to understand him the least. We've seen him from almost every angle, his past and present, his fears and hopes, hes outright told us his motivations and people still dont seem to understand him. John knows that power corrupts him too easily, thats why he wanted out of the hierarchy when he joined this school, but his hand was forced, and slowly but surely he became more and more involved with the hierarchy again. John just wanted to live a normal life, but day after day he got beat into the dirt, and so after his hand was forced, after he no longer had a choice he made sure everyone knew how much of a mistake it was to force his hand. Power corrupts John as I said, because when he uses his power he knows how easy it would be for him to exact his vengence. His saving graces were UnOrdinary and Seraphina, but the moment he lost both of those were when his troubles truly began. Seraphina came back but by then it was too late, he was already falling back into his old self, and Seraphina couldnt catch him in time. Monster, this is a word that haunts John, from the moment claire spoke them, and when Seraphina confronted John in hid mind all he could see was Claire betraying him once more, calling him a monster. John is a broken character, when we first meet him he was healed but still scarred from his past, and from the moment Seraphina and UnOrdinary were taken away those scars were reopened and more were put in place, and while John hinself isnt entirely blameless for the chaos hes caused, he most certainly isnt the most at fault. I would say the blame goes in order of Society, Detective Dude (forgot his name), Arlo, the high rankers in general, John, Claire.
Sorry if my thoughts arent that organized, I tend to go off on tangents, especially when a topic gets me really heated, at the end of the day though my main point is this: John and his motivations make total sense and I 100% support him.
Its not that johns actions arent bad, beating people is bad. But he is justified in it, he got beat every single hecking day and put up with it in a happy attitude. He may do bad actions but he is not a villain, he is better than every other high tier. Blake never truly owned up to his asshole behavior so he has no right to be mad at john for what he does. Remi is naive and overly optimistic, optimism isnt bad but be realistic. She only started helping when john started doing something bad, not when her close friends immaturely threaten powerless people.
The hierarchy in this world is messed up and the John haters are overlooking most of his character.
It was always clear that the hierarchy was messed up, but his actions are bad, and its his own fault as his childhood friends did not become cruel after they got more power.
He also bullied his own childhood friends when they only did good things for him, and he did never change because he wanted too, it was not because he was good, it was because he was sent to the red hair guy. He goes too far, because he became a bully. Also, he could have revealed his power after arlo and protected sera. And he slapped the queen who was only ever nice to him and others for a bad reason.
BlackCry Dragon: not even gonna deal with that. Just read the top comment and their replies
He himself upholds the hierarchy tho? He stands up top and expects people to see him in a better light
Addie wdym?
Ninja Dynasty yeah, he never even tries to make anything better, i can name some ways he could have avoided this all.
1: not go into the school as a cripple but reveal yourself as a god tier immediately and help everyone in the school feel safe.
2: reveal yourself after arlo and just let everyone know you are strong without becoming king.
3. Climb the hierarchy and do not drag innocent people in in the process or leave the defeated half dead, he says he is “destroying” it but the only thing he is doing is climbing the ranks+extra violence
He was forced into a monster by asslo in the beginning, and ppl just force him into broken friendships abd into joker, in other words, i think ppl who say johns a monster should consider how he wouldnt be this way if it werent for the horrible king asslo, and how they didnt notice the horror of the low tiers getting destroyed by the upper class, but i still think hes both
Edit: i left out a ton of stuff bc i was too lazy to write, but there are so many other factors for this to include
Deep down inside, John is a good person that shared the same morals as us, it’s just that he’s surrounded by hypocritical people that think’s it’s okay to hurt people that are weaker than themselves, but they wouldn’t want the same thing happening to them. I say it’s alright for John to give them a taste of there own medicine, then they’ll REALLY learn what it’s like to be on the receiving end of their abuse. And you never know, this might Headmaster Vaughn’s plan after all, maybe he might want all the students to look at the Hierarchy a different way like John.
Donnovan McDonald Ye i agree
@AdBa Playz Thanks. But aside from that comment, the OTHER reason why I want him to be the good guy is because I want John and Seraphina’s ship to sail, and I know uru-chan wants the same thing. How in the world do I know? Because she posts all of that art of them together.
Say what you will Arlo wasn’t a bad king. Yeah what he did to John was wrong and also very stupid but with regards to the school he was actually holding it up pretty well. Also, John won the battle but in the end Arlo won the war
SforSwiftie Honestly, by this point of the story, no one won. Everything is in shambles and everyone feels hopeless.
"If you're willing to overlook John's actions, then you have to forgive everyone" This is false. To equate two actions together without considering the intent of those actions isn't the way we do things. That's like saying robbing someone and killing them is the same as killing a home invader. It's not. Everything John has done has been in retaliation for the shit he went through. For all of you "two wrongs don't make a right" moral guardians, Let me remind you that Illena and her goons assaulted John (chapter 41) because he was a "cripple", then she was involved in Sera's kidnapping (chapter 129) and beat her to a plup because "this is what high tiers deserve for the way that treat us". Never mind that Sera did nothing to them personally and lost her powers, the fact that she's a high tier was reason enough to kidnap and beat her. She even gave a speech to Arlo about how unfair it was despite her doing it herself. Now, John beating the life out of her and her goons for what they did to his only friend, is the same thing a beating up someone who never wronged you? No. It's not. We wouldn't tolerate someone doing us harm irl, So why should we expect John to?
Exactly in your analogy a robber killing someone to prevent them getting caught is self preservation while someone killing a home invader to protect them self is self defense Johns actions may be understandable but everyone is the world of unordinary has to deal with the pain and actions of their past it’s how they deal with them and how they move forward is what matters. because remi, Isen, and blayke didn’t realize the corrupt system they were in beaches they couldn’t see it first had and now they are trying to fix it . While John has experienced the system first hand his whole life and has suffered a lot because of it he is trying to fix the system to but because of what he experienced he knows that people only really respond to violence that is why none of the high tiers can understand his methods because they didn’t go through the pain that he did. That is what makes Remi, Isen, Blayke and John redeemable characters because they are typifying to fix the system unlike arlo who may or may not realize the system is corrupt be
It doesn’t care because it keeps order and him out of too much trouble even if low tiers are suffering because of it.
yep i agree with everything john is not at fault like i said people want bring out his monster even tho he learn and hated but no one cares and now they have deal what they have done i do think get better overtime and i think john a plan in the end
But he starts to push the people that love him AWAY, and in his childhood when claire was helping him, he started to abuse his own friend, "yellow hair kid" and then when seraphina is in trouble he leaves it all up to Arlo instead of trying to help Seraphina in secret. explain that
@@M.I.D.ORIGINAL That was already explained in the story. John started off as a cripple, got strong and then got back at the people who wronged him. He did take it too far by turning on Claire and Adrion (yellow hair kid), which led to Claire setting up the ambush. Afterwards, he had sessions with Keon. We still don't know what exactly happened, but those sessions, combined with William writing UnOrdinary for John, made him attempt to turn over a new leaf. The reason why he left everything up to Arlo was because he feared that if he used his Powers, he'd revert back to the terrible person he was at New Bostin and Sera would label him a monster just as Claire did. As far as helping Sera in secret, he destroyed Juni, Zeke and the people who kidnapped her while acting as Joker/Tuesday. That counts as help since that eliminated threats to Sera's well being
The way how I see it is (and I took this phrase from another comment Ik) John is a misunderstood monster
He isn't entirely wrong for getting back at the system but the way he does it makes him "the monster" everyone states he is.
He has hospitalized mutiple people throughout Unordinary and has caused pure anarchy throughout the school (now I doubt this will be the case since he was recently unmasked to be Joker)
Had he simply defeated his enemies and walked away, I would completely agree with him as no one is ultimately hurt
But the fact he *does* go overboard is what makes him an interesting character and makes this situation not black and white as both haters and fanboys of John makes it seem
I actually forget that John is supposed to be in arlo’s class, he had a gap year, he should be a year ahead, Arlo’s year. My point is I was just surprised how low he portrayed john’s voice until I remembered this
People are treating John like villain but he doesn't deserve it. Yes he's taking things way over board currently but think about what built up to this. You got him being bullied by Asslo since Asslo's precious hierarchy can't allow someone as powerful as him to live quietly. Then you add onto the fact that Sera got in big trouble because he or her borrow his copy of Unordinary and the stress he had to go through during the time he was gone. Then you have Sera losing her ability and John wanting to protect her so he starts using his power again but because people are constantly picking on her John slowly starts losing himself and then you have Sera confronting him after he beats the royals and he thinks that she has betrayed him and he most likely feels like he lost his only friend because of his own actions...
I may not agree with what John is doing but I can understand what he's feeling and I personally think he is the victim in this case.
But it's so sad seeing people hate on the author because of John actions especially since they can't seem to understand why John did it and just seem to think that John just decided to start beating everyone
John could still be even more fucked up and I'll still side with him because of that damn hair gel
bruh this nigga john wont even listen to his friends when talking, hes selfish lmao.
@@GrayIceChop He didn't listen to his friends because he got corrupted by power, beat down and ridiculed all of his friends, and then got mentally abused for 3 months straight. After that he was so broken he literally gave up his true self, abandoned his power and just wanted to be left alone in peace. Then he got beat everyday, his best friend got expelled for reading a book, and then while she was gone he was tormented and eventually lead to trust Arlo who backstabbed him and then tried to beat him down. Man isn't selfish, he cares about Seraphina more than anything he just lost himself and she helped him found his way back.
I still don't see john as a bad guy even now. Everything was from claire's perspective. At the end claire said that john was a tyrant that cared about nobody but himself. But she was wrong. Because john cared about clair. And he loves seraphina.
To john the world is nothing but violence. For him it's kill or be killed all the time. He is like a war vet who sees danger everywhere. People around him look at john like why is he so crazy? But to john the entire world is crazy. The entire world is a battle ground.
He is not a bad person. Despite the damage he dishes out I don't even think he is technically sadistic. He isn't happy about hurting people. These current events or even the past was not what he wanted. He just wanted to get along with everyone and be happy but this world is cruel.
He doesn't want everyone to fear him not really. He just wants basic courtesy and respect. He doesn't know how to function in this society so broken.
@AshtynX naw after she got tired of watching him beat up people she distanced herself from john. It looked like he replaced her soon after. And yet when she walked by after the break john watched her from a distance with a disappointed and longing look. And when he got her letter that she wanted to meet up again john looked really happy. He even smiled which was rare for him in those days. And he refused to listen that she might have betrayed him. The idea that she was never his friend to begin with is what really set him off. I think he did care but his strength mattered more to him.
@@kellharris2491 yes
i wouldnt say if we forgive john we have to forgive others because everyone else beats up people because they feel like it. John did it because they hurt him first , I made a video talking about this is john the villain of this arc . If we look at it from the point of him overly hurting people if we compare it sending someone to the infirmary everyday vs sending someone to the hospital for a week whats the difference ? John tried to change but everyone else seems like they are power hungry whenever they are actually in the position of power but as soon as someone stronger comes along they kiss their feet. Zeke did this to seraphina when she was strong he kissed up then she became cripple and attacked her. I don't think those who cause thing upon themselves deserve forgiveness or mercy , letting people go and not teaching them a lesson just means they'll do it again.
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There is no forgiving senseless violence, whether that comes from John or from anyone else for that matter. What needs to be done is to stop this cycle of violence so no more of this hatred is to continue. Of course, it won’t be easy and there will still continue to be violence in this world, but if there is at least an understanding, then at least they can start heading somewhere, and that understanding has to come from understanding situations like John and that he is no different than everyone else and everyone else is no different than him.
Angela Alfaro those assholes needed to be taught a lesson since clearly talking to them or appealing to their humanity meant jack shit to them. Some people can only learn to behave through pain.
Jonh had revenge in mind and even if his past can't be considered diffrent from high tiers do lower-tiers the present time in the comic forgiving Jonh wouldn't be forgiving others since he has a reason that might or might not be a good reason but he atleast has one unlike all the other people that missuse their power
I'm my opinion John's actions are definitely not forgivable. He goes about everything the wrong way but then again his actions *are* understandable. He's been hurt both physically and emotionally by people and also probably thinks it's his fault that Sera lost her ability since she was caught with his copy of Unordinary that he let her borrow. So yes what he does is unforgivable and the wrong thing but it's understandable and makes people(or at least me) feel sorry for him because his life has slowly been on a downward spiral and he even lost his best friend because of his actions yet again.
Clair: your a monster
John: I could swallow a bottle of alcohol and I’ll feel like Godzilla
XD
Better hit the deck like the card dealer
I feel like John had a rush of power and didn't know what to do with it. His only thing to look on was how other high-tiers treated him when he was a cripple. No one around him that was a high-tier who used their power responsibly so he wanted revenge and that was the only way he new how.
It wasn't even completely revenge. When he beat down his ex bully, he was gleefully leaving, but the little shit called him a cripple. In this worls you get beat down for bumping shoulders in the hallway.
@@denkerbosu3551 Just looking at someone wrong earns you a beat down here. Hell, walking idly in the halls is dangerous as it.
@@EnclaviousFiraga but then nope,John is the monster. People like Claire and Adrion literally have the slave mentality drilled into their brains,that's why John has a disdain for bottom feeders too cause they simply accept and even refuse to stand up,John always stood up whether he had power or no power
@@nitinbhattacharyya8784 I think you are completely right, but Claire and Adrion's reasons most likely are because they don't want unnecessary violence even if it means they are hurt and bullied themselves.
Even in the latest chapter where John fully came out of hiding and showed everyone his joker and declared himself King there's probably still gonna be few people thinking oh he's just a cripple lemme go beat him up nobody in unordinary admires and look up to those stronger to them they all envious and secretly hate them but just too scared to say anything so anyone stronger than them is a monster just John is King of monsters
On a side note John ability is aura manipulation so shouldn't he be able to not just manipulate his aura but others as well?? Instead of boosting his attacks can't he use his ability to shut down or block other's aura channels effectively stopping their abilities from activating?? Then John can really become the protagonist of unordinary by turning everyone else into cripples
Rip zeke he died as he lived an asshole
After John's king status declaration
Random students let me beat John's ass
Results 🏃♂️🏃♂️⚰️🏃♂️🏃♂️
yes know if jonh sees this comment he become the most powerfull beeing
About John controlling other people Aura I don't think that's possible. It at least not at the current strength of his power(I think it's at 7.4??) But even if he could do that he really wouldn't need to since his personal combat skills are amazing the add onto the fact that he can give a power boost to abilities he copies and can use them very well(sometimes even better then the actual owner of the power)
@@svartrbrisingr6141 it would be useful sera needs her power back maybe he could do it
He's just following the rules of his world, difference is he knows he's going far but he only does that in retaliation at this point.
Does he know he's going to far though? since if you pay attention especially during the scene were Sera confronts him he's not exactly in the best state of mind. so for all we know he probably thinks he was holding back a lot
They last few chapters just feel like they did John’s character a disservice. In the flashback episodes they showed him almost completely narcissistic and almost unlikable. I mean yea he could have been born with a personality and/or antisocial disorder but it seems like they went out their way to just paint him in a bad light
Well it wasn't in John's perspective and that was the point
Those flashbacks truly showed us important stuff
Namaryu I know I know
Not really. If you read the flashbacks really well you will know that not even Claire is innocent. Claire was happy to show his visions to John at first because she wanted someone strong on her side. I don't know if you've reached the part where Claire was happy to see John beat up the bullies (I use fast pass). Claire decided to step in only when John became brutal and was over doing it. Apart from that Claire was also enjoying John fight.
Yeah, but also understand that in johns version of the flashbacks he makes Claire the villain and visversa
If you read new fastpass chapter it explains a lot! John didn’t start off as a monster, but he was turned into one. All of his actions are understandable in my opinion and the only thing I didn’t like was his attitude, haha. Besides, he learns that everyone is just as bad as him after letting someone else take the wheel, and finding out how people would hate him and judge him even if he was king or cripple.
This entire story is all about the theme of what goes around comes around and it’s very interesting to see how it pans out
John was getting bullied when he played as a cripple to the point where they basically almost killed him so I’m on John’s side because everything he did by now is probably less than what they did to him
Every day he had to go to the Infirmary
I think John is misunderstood cuz litterly John was here to actually have a good life in that school but litterly everyone would beat up John everyday so I think they deserved it and he tried his best not to hurt people but he had no choice
i read litterly as literally
I think he was forced to fight with zeke and i think i understand when he activates his abillity and revels himself and thank you for making these videos the are really good
I guess he was forced into it, if he backed out he would've gotten beaten up regardless, it was a sticky situation.
Can you actually talk about fastpass spoilers here? Hell, I don't even know why you would talk about this
Denker Bosu if you are watching this then you should probably already be caught up with things.
Notice how everyone was bullying him when they thought he was a cripple and when he shows his power now they start a safe house
From what we’ve seen, John has better control of his anger, but he decides to lash out in a controlled manner instead of contain in a controlled manner. If he tears down the hierarchy, he might get the Royals to realize how much they f**ked up the system actually is and for them to finally see what it does to mid tiers, low tiers, and the rare cripple. Also, John’s power level is VERY dependent on the ability/abilities he’s manipulating. He’s averaged at 7.0 from New Bostin as a 1st year. What could he be now? Especially with Seraphina, who’s am 8.0. That’s not the point though, the point is that John’s actions, at least at the present and in terms of their universe, are at least justifiable. Doesn’t mean he’s some hero, no, but he certainly isn’t acting in the attempt to harm for pleasure, at least not anymore. He has a reason. A purpose. To give some perspective on the issue, but he’s not giving the Royals an easy way or a hard way. He chose for them. The hard way. He fits the description of an anti-hero. He does what needs to be done, no matter how dirty he gets his hands.
I found something interesting with early chapters even after John befriended Seraphina she still believed it was ok to hurt the weak which is probably why she didn't help John when he was in fights. Btw to anyone who thinks john goes to far read episode 5 of UNordinary so it's okay when Sera does it??? The chapter after he wakes up and is forced to drag himself to the nurse.
That's a good point
@@runawaypacman thx!
This is like the best video of unordinary I've watched so far; John wanting to change society for the better, and I'm hoping it does get better by next year too.
Except we don't need to forgive others if we forgive John, thid was pretty good.
John was never objectively WRONG in any part of the webtoon. He came in looking for peace, got messed up for a while and kept looking, then the king couldnt leave him alone, and he finally snapped. Now he's acting the EXACT same as the rest of the royals do
John is in the right, since the beginning he’s was treated like a low level animal being abuse all the time. I don’t think he’s abusing his power, now that he’s has the power he’s going show how it feel, he’s getting pack back and revenge for hows he treated
If it was just revenge I'd agree, but he's hurting a lot of characters who did nothing or very little to him, Remi's only crime was naivety, Blyke shot a few warning shots after John slapped his friend while she was trying to help him. Even Isen's wrist incident isn't nearly as bad as what Seraphina did to him in the flashbacks, so why is she forgivable but Isen isn't? But some people he beat up did really deserve it Juni, Arlo, Zeke, Ventus, Meilli, fake joker girl. Except he did kick the last one after she was already unconscious, what's even the point, she cant feel pain by then.
I get what you're saying, this is what I see from John; he was treated like shit before he had power correct, I believe in one ep, he basically states he hates all the elite because of how they were treating him and others low levels, so why take their pity? I stand with John cuz I see myself in him, we both were treated like shit from other students. we hate the people are supposed to be above us. Now that table have turn, why now take their pity, John have ever right to do what’s he doing because at the end of the day it’s just paying back the world for what they created
Joey Shears and it’s not like he wasn’t trying to change at first, he was normal taking everything people threw at him for a year straight, and finally he had enough, I feel like everyone will do the same if their were in his shoes
@@godgod2340 oh I totally agree that what he's doing is understandable, my only issue was the wording of in the right, just because something is what most people would do doesn't mean it's the right thing. I still very much like him as a character, I just think what he's doing right now is the technically wrong thing even though I am very much enjoying watching him do it.
@@godgod2340 but to compare it to my own life I grew up in an emotionally and physically abusive household under an aggressive alcoholic father and an absentee neglectful mother, my older sister soon started to take very much after my father, now if this had been purely applied to my father and mother who absolutely deserved the retaliation she would have been entirely in the right, or at the very least close to entirely, the moment she started abusing me, my middle sister, her friends, her boyfriend, the fact that it was a learned behavior didn't excuse it, the people she was abusing had done nothing to her, similar to John beating up first his abusers Arlo, Zeke and then random people who'd never done anything to him, Remi, Blyke. Likewise my fathers behavior was learned from his father, of being abused justifies becoming an abuser then good to know I have the right to beat up whoever I please. Oh and that my dad and sister did nothing wrong and are entirely in the right.
more than anything
John is a broken human being who was trying to heal
then got worse *again*
then *SNAPPED*
Let's just end it all with this:
Hate John as a person, love him as a character.
Nah I love him both as a person and as a character
honestly, he's a really complex character. it seems like it's hinted that he may have mental disorders? i'm guessing pstd, anger issues, maybe bpd? i'm so excited for the new chapters i can't wait to see how his character develops :0
I'll be honest but when John started using his powers I was happy he was finally putting others in their place. While he was beating the hell out of Zeke and Juni I was actually rooting for him. Even when Ventus was begging John to let him save Meili from permanent injuries, maybe even death, I was still glad to see her fall and John stab him. If they weren't willing to show mercy to John then why should he even consider showing any to them? I was even a little disappointed on how it seemed Arlo got off fairly easy all things considered. And then there's when that group of students abducted Seraphina I was hoping John would get there first so that he could do what I believed he did best... Inflict the same pain they inflict on others, literally hitting them the same way they hit him or someone else. In the end I was practically cheering for the brutality John brought on others, and honestly If I were put in the same scenario as him I can't say I'd be any different if not worse. But then as it continues I start feeling sick as he hurts others more than they deserve, and at times when he has more things to worry about. When he cornered Isen for his ability, he could've just copied it and run off to find Sera and let him off with a broken arm, maybe even just a off handed thrashing. But in the end he focuses more on his own revenge than the morals that made him who he was. He can't see any kindness anymore, no compassion, and has no trust in anyone anymore. In the end he just wants the world to tear itself apart. The more I think of it, the more I think back to the captain from castlevania and his point on human cruelty and kindness.
I mean, Isen tried to pry into his past and crushed his wrist for literally no reason...I think the only people he’s attacked that didn’t deserve it are Blyke and Remi.
To be honest, I mostly agree with you op. No one granted him mercy, so why should he do the same? Arlo ambushed him, Isen broke his wrist and he was even beat up as a "welcoming gift" when he moved into the school dorms. But the terrible part is that when John finally snaps and goes on a rampage, he's the one being called a monster when he's LITERALLY doing what everyone's been doing to him. I will admit though, after he publicly defeated the royals I was hoping he would stop and work with Remi on bettering the school, but even I knew it wasn't likely to happen. I really do like Remi the best though because she's aware of the changes that need to be made, especially after she and John had a private talk in his room.
But in the end, two wrongs don't make a right. I find myself being unable to blame John for all the violence is been accumulating around the school because the violence didn't start with him. It started with the elite and high tiers taking advantage of the low and mid tiers. He really is just paying the violence forward via his own form of karma(aka beat peoples asses). But in being unable to blame John, seeing him act so violent pains me because of his previous philosophy that we saw in the beginning of the comic. He was literally an angel when he came to Wellston and his thinking helped Seraphina when she lost her powers. All and all, I just hope John doesn't continue on his rampage because things will only get worse if he does. On an offhanded note, he's likely suffering with PTSD from his time back at his previous high school and his time in rehabilitation classee(ie that ASSHOLE interrogator making him relive some of the worst moments of his life). Said PTSD is definitely influencing his actions in the comic so I worry what will happen if the situation gets more out of hand. Imagine if he gets suspended and sent back to rehabilitation classes. That interrogator guy will definitely come back and traumatize him further. He'll be even worse off than before, going in one of two directions:
A. Going back to his rampage and possibly taking it outside of the school and into the city, possibly becoming similar to the people we see Remi and Blyke fight as vigilantes.
or B. Becoming an empty shell of a person :(((
Okay so that's all I wanted to say lol! I kinda got off topic at the end but that's okay! I hope to hear it reply!
@@GxGNoir The heck you talking about Blyke for sure got what was coming and Remi also if you think about it she's the queen and your saying that you never notices that the low tiers were suffering all this time? She legit started doing something when her friends finally got involve face it she was a bad queen they finally started doing their job right when they took a beating from john.
Ssj3sonic12 I’m not saying those two weren’t bad Royals, but I don’t remember them ever deliberately harming John like everyone else. Blyke threw a blast at him one time but that was only because John called Remi a bitch (after she tried to help him) and slapped her
@@GxGNoir He slap her hand away and tried to apologizes before Blyke shot at his "head" if john was any slower that would had seriously injured john. Blyke basically shot at a cripple no matter how you try to justify it, what he did was wrong.
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*He beat up some bullies*
*got his head slammed into the table several times*
*so he tried to change*
*then he got beat up for it*
*so he beat them up*
*So is he gonna have his head slammed again?*
John is both. Like John said in this recent episode he’s a monster, but everyone else is just as messed up as him. He’s doing exactly what everyone in UnO does, as a strong person he picks on the weak, just like everyone else. He hates the world around him because everyone is the same, they torture anyone weaker than them and grovel to anyone stronger than them. He wants to break down the hierarchy that caused so much suffering for him and his friends. No one ever supports him in the show. He doesn’t want to burden Sera with his troubles and everyone around him never supports him. Remi is the closest to doing so as she’s conflicted and sympathizes with him but doesn’t voice it, she just says he’s wrong. John was beaten down and broken every day for all of his life and went without support every time he finally fought back. John is human, and as a human everyone short of sainthood would break. In my mind his actions check all the boxes aside from one. They are not reasonable, no one is in that messed up world.
Ok, I understand I haven't watched the video yet but I was rereading unOrdinary and got to the part where Arlo betrayed John. John asks, "How did things end up like this again?" I was thinking about this particular question. Coming to a conclusion, John was betrayed the first time because he was too powerful and abused his power, while this time, it was Arlo's doing, but they are parallel in a way, John was on the top of the spectrum of power the first time, and this time, he appears to be at the bottom. He was first betrayed by a low tier, somebody opposite him, and the second time, a high tier, also somebody opposite on what he appeared to be. Both times he fought back against the betrayal and won, in the same way, but Claire's betrayal leads him to become a supposed cripple, while Arlo's betrayal leads him to become a high tier. They are all about crossing that line of ordinary, a mid-tier. I want to emphasize the fact that these stories all begin or end on opposite sides of the spectrum, dragging some of the other extreme side into the situation. An example of this is dragging Sera, Claire, even some of the high tiers at Wellston in. These stories are parallel.
By the time I get everything out this will become an essay.
John is the definition of what would happen if the good guy snapped. The only reason people view his actions as unreasonable is mainly based on the fact he punished those who wronged him in some of the most DARK ways possible. Not on the fact he got payback, but on HOW MUCH payback he felt was needed. Do I agree with how brutal he was? To an extent, I absolutely do. I feel the choice of BULLY or BULLIED really drove opinion for most fans. But I have seen where this goes, in both reality and fiction, and see where concern is warranted.
Um... both?
He is still a monster, but only when they forced John to act like that. But the only reason why they did that is because they misunderstood him.
If Arlo left him alone, none of this would’ve happened, but they kept making it worse for John.
Zack Zander No. the reason why they did that wasn’t because they misunderstood him but rather because they are violent assholes who prey on the weak to feel better about themselves. They only respect the strong, as shown in how they all treated John when they though he had no means of retaliating. If they had treated him with human decency, he would have remained a non violent person for the foreseeable future.
even tough I don't find Jonh a monster you are right even Arlo said that it wwas is fault for pushing Jonh to the limit
Regardless of which side you believe (I'm personally a moderate Misunderstood), I hope you recognize that even if he's a monster, he's still the one with the most recognition of his actions.
He is currently in a state similar to a berserker, but aside from that, he is far more aware of his actions and everyone else's than he is given credit for.
It took Arlo well into Season 2 before he even began thinking about the limitations set on High Tiers due to being High Tiers.
Every other character is constantly trying to piece together what's going on around them, but John is fully aware. (Just Berserk.)
I love John's character so much. He reminds me of Arthur Fleck from the recent Joker movie, I even wonder whether his alter ego was inspired by that character. People attacked John because they believed he was weak and now want to be reason with him when he shows his power. Just like Joker, while his actions go waaay overboard, it's hard not to sympathize with him because his actions are a form of revenge.
It's difficult to watch him lose his sanity and his friendship with Seraphina.
Here’s my thoughts
I think John could’ve been a good leader but when he was a cripple people finally found someone weaker than them so they beaten him and his friends when they were down so here’s what happened to John he was tired of the he was treated so he wanted fight back but when John got his chance he was able to fight back but when he fought back he became them like beating them when they were down when he had his power he didn’t listen nor did he realize what he became everyone still hurt John in his emotions.
So I say John is misunderstood the low tiers and mid tiers had fucked him up and broke him so I say John was forced in to a different path
John is one of the only people (besides Sera) with why he acts the way he does: Experience! He’s experienced both sides of the spectrum, the abuse of low tiers, and the entitlement of the high tiers… John has looked at what he’s done before and he thinks the only choice he has is to forget about his powers, and start life anew…. Until Arlo betrayed him…. Now, John is reverted back to what he was; The Monster…. But a monster with a purpose; Destroy the Hierarchy, and protect Sera….
To me when John had a goal I could understand his actions were they extreme? Yes. Was it satisfying to see? Yes. But now it seems like John doesn't know what to direct his anger at so it's going everywhere I just hope he calms down a little soon
CalM dOwnnnn
He’s a beast. And he is misunderstood. They say he is a hypocrite for beating everyone when he wants that to stop. But wether he beats them or not they’ll go around picking on the low tiers. He is just giving them back what they served. They deserve it. When he was down they didn’t stop. They kept hitting him. They are just unlucky that he is overwhelmingly powerful that even with a little kick you go flying 🤷
the only thing that sucks in the story is how they constantly try to double back and portray john as the bad guy yet he always keeps the moral high ground basically no matter the situation in the later parts of the story. he even makes the effort to be a good person at the start of the story to learn and he even went through all that juvie stuff, but then the broken society of that world just breaks him down. if you want to undergo the dark past and resurfacing tendencies thing sure, just don't make him the biggest goodie two shoes at the start of the story and have that story be around how everyone picks on the goodie two shoes.
I agree that the author should not have started the story in that way at this point the story really isn’t going anywhere there is no spark of conclusion instead there’s just this big pile of mess that can’t be cleaned up because the story makes no sense anymore...I honestly think the author should go on a hiatus so that they can simplify the story
i'll just put it this way: in a society like this, where showcasing your strength is the only way to get by in the world, talking things out doesn't mean anything.
you can't talk to an aggressor in an attempt to stop thier voilent behaviour.
the only way to get them to stop is to make them, or else they will just belittle you and do it again.
But when you say" if we can overlook Johns actions then we have to over look the others too" I kinda disagree with that when people bullied John they bullied a helpless person with no ability to fight back whatsoever but when John fought they HAD the ability to fight back. If you were John wouldn’t you be mad knowing that people who KNOW that you can’t fight back and KNOW that you are going to lose just beat you up for satisfaction?And then suddenly one day you have the power to fight back and even win. Wouldn’t you take that chance? Keep in mind that they bullied him till like 7th grade. All that hate and anger that John had had been bottled up and has been waiting to be released. But it was A LOT more hate and anger than you could ever IMAGINE. So he beat the crap out of people. But power got to his head and that’s when everything went wrong. He became king and even beat up the people who he considered "friends". So yeah in conclusion I kinda don’t agree with that statement. I love your videos tho!!!!
I’d say he’s a bit of both
Like all of them, John is human.
All of his actions are understandable because we see what happened throughout all of those 2 years, he was horribly bullied by everyone for not having a power.
Are they forgivable? Definitely, just like arlo’s actions are also forgivable.
Are they justifiable? At the beginning? Sure, after a while? No. He became the exact monster he sought to fight against, and his actions being understandable does not make them justified. There’s no peace in anarchy just like there was no peace in the way the school was before. His actions being reasonable is different thing, they are reasonable because you couldn’t change the system without using your power to do so, that’s how that society is. However, he went way too far.
Of course. The problem with this is that there are 2 key points.
John became the shell of a better person, but he wasn’t okay. He was beaten into becoming ordinary again instead of being given the therapy he needed. He was gonna snap eventually because he never actually faced his problems, he just locked them up, which caused the explosion of his feelings to be a whole lot worse.
It was Arlo’s fault he exploded.
However we see that all of the big characters are trying to change for the better, even Arlo (to a certain extent) Which is why they are also trying to stop John and get him to back to his senses. Which is why he let Seraphina know about John, she had to know. Since she’s one of the few that could possibly bring him back to the way he was.
On another note, I case can be made against John because he wasn’t trying to make the world better. If he was really against how the system was, why didn’t he use the power he had to attempt a change in the system instead of just living as a crippled and promoting the system with his very existence?
This can be refuted with the fact that to change how a world operates with just one person’s action, it requires the actions of a whole group of people to create real change. Which is what slowly John has managed to accomplish, but at the same time has almost managed to not accomplish with his actions.
So I agree, there’s no real answer, which is why I feel that makes him a misunderstood monster
I like John as a character. He is very sympathetic, and the society of the UnOrdinary world is fucked. John has no obligation to forgive those who've treated him like dirt. When it comes to John I would like to quote the captain from Castlevania.
"Revenge is good, bastards need punishing. But once you win and you take over they're region you become a ruler of a place."
Once John does change the system and takes his revenge he should teach people how to be better.
And even after that the Society of UnOrdinary is strictly against heroism, and are filled with selfish bastards only worried about themselves and they own wellbeing. So they might even see John changing the hierarchy as a threat and might try and shut him down. Or worse come after him.
Also I'm very surprised that Late Bloomers in the society of UnOrdinary haven't become extremely depressed. The way Keian (Hope I spelled that right) puts it, Late Bloomers can't win. If they are truly doomed to fail then what are they supposed to do, fall into they're supposed place in society? Be abused by those stronger than them and be looked down on? To me that's a fairly poor outlook and my heart goes out to these people even if they are just characters.
John has experienced betrayal over and over. So ofc after a year of torture, he had enough and started getting angry like anyone else would. But at that time he put his trust in a new "friend", who took everything away from him, dragged him out, and crushed him with 2 other people when he could easily do it himself. And that is when he realised that he got betrayed again, even though he was the exact opposite of what he was before. He realised that he couldn't do ANYTHING about it, so he snapped, and beat the shit outta Arlo, but even with all that, he still had sympathy. He let Arlo keep his throne, and could've beat him way more, which was what Arlo deserved, but didn't. Even after that, Arlo still wouldn't follow his orders, people beat up John when he was looking for his best friend Sera, so he used his power to protect Sera, and tried destroying the hierarchy so that she wouldn't get hurt. But that was when Sera realised that John was joker, and started hanging out with the person that made his life hell. So he revealed his identity, and the moment that happened, everyone who looked down on him ran away like cowards, Remi started a safe house which was taken as a insult to John, Sera screamed at him, and disagreed with everything he said, and the headmaster gave him a final warning to never do that again, even though it wasn't his fault. Just imagine this in real life. Imagine being John. I would be broken.
John's a good guy, can't persuade me otherwise. I've read the comics.
John is my FAV charcter in all of anime and manga, the plot emphasis. Behind john is so fking good.
Understandable -
John's actions are extremely understandable because people reach their limit and John who has been beaten up for 2 years would really want to blow off some steam. It will be very hypocritical of me to say otherwise because even the weak when given power turn evil.
Reasonable-
Is everything John did reasonable? No, it is not reasonable because like what people said, John has seen both sides, the low and high tier. This means that he should've been open minded enough that beating up people and abusing power is wrong.
Justifiable -
His actions aren't justifiable because if he just wanted to climb the hierarchy then he should've just climbed it without going overboard with anything. (Reference to the final sentence of my reasonable). It is even more stupid that he didn't wanna reveal that he is the new king, he didn't wanna take responsibility for the things he has done like what he wants the high tiers to do, be responsible and change.
Forgivable -
Is John's actions forgivable? Yes, it is forgivable because as to where the webcomic is going now, everyone is starting to develop as an actual human being with actual morals although of course this will trigger the constant debate of "does the end justify the means" which the answer to this is yes.
Basically John is just as hypocritical as the high tiers he so wanted to change.
BUT that does not mean that the high tiers are better than him, John is still better as he is seeking for change despite chaos being his answer. An exception to the high tiers however is Remi who despite being a high tier and not experiencing getting beaten up regularly understood what it means to be weak.
In fact, the only thing I'd say where Remi really screwed up on is convincing John to drop on climbing up the hierarchy. If you re-read the chapter you will clearly see that John is listening to Remi explain that there is a better system introduced by his brother however her fault is when she said that Blyke, Isen, and Arlo will help when she clearly knows that John has not seen any improvement from them and therefore will disagree.
Her words could've ended the entire Joker gimmick but of course it's not that easy because I am a reader of a webtoon and therefore see both sides and I can re-read every chapter and read the characters unlike Remi.
John really went from being Johnathon Joestar to the Joker real quick.
Honestly, the only time he EVER did anything wrong was when he punched Cecile after she told him about Asslo and Sera, which happened after he overthrew the hierarchy. Every other time was within reason, even the fight against Remi. With Arlo, that was straight forward, Arlo back stabbed him and had two students show up to beat John half to death, which is where John finally had enough. John against Isen was after Arlo told John to handle it himself, so John did since Arlo was being a giant baby about it. John against Blyke and Cecile were all apart of him overthrowing the hierarchy and fighting with their rules, so he was within his right to flex his strength. With Remi, the whole reason it got to the extent it did was because Remi cheated and instead of adhering to the rules of combat set down within the hierarchy, she brings 2 other's to fight John, thus meaning it's no longer a 1 v 1, it's John defending himself against 3 assailants, and once Arlo jumped in, John had even more justification to be more brutal. So no, John's not a monster, especially when he's following the rules of engagement within this world. The high tiers are the ones who are showing that they themselves don't truly believe in the hierarchy bs, because the moment they're beaten by the same rules that they were so hard set on following, its suddenly unfair and that the rules they were happy following for years is suddenly wrong.
Theory Time!
So after reading everything and binging this amazing story I think I have a grasp / understanding what's possibly going on. So John reached his breaking point the moment he lost Sera. He's pretty much addicted to the idea of having total control over things and his inner desires clash with this concept because of the book Unordinary opened up a bigger picture for himself. He's relapsing tho because of Keon pretty much giving him PTSD. Keon made him constantly see certain imageries from who he was during New Boston which has made him even more unstable. The program didn't really help him, if anything he was traumatized to the point he was scared of himself. Because of Arlo making him so isolated and Sera pretty much being his factor of keeping him in check from relapsing made him have PTSD moment and being reminded how he was betrayed/lost all his trust in his eyes. John is literally the persona of what would happen if all low/mid tiers were to grasp the power he's gained. The book Unordinary's philosophy made him realize how disturbed/wicked his thoughts were. John has obviously shown he's aware he's repeating his same mistakes and is still reminded of his past. He's sadly justifying it tho because of what he's experienced. He's even called out the double standards the hierarchy holds in the system he's grown up in. Sera being a good friend is slowly piecing together his past and I'm fairly confident the amplify drug will be connected to them finally resolving his inner issues. John needs a factor that isn't a "joke" in his eyes. He needs someone to be Unordinary. Sera is that said person. He's never met anyone who acknowledges his mistakes are wrong but accepts the person he was trying to be. He was lying to Sera because he was afraid of her seeing him as a monster. He was lying to himself because he never wanted for this situation to happen. He resents himself his anger is not only towards the very people who have hurt him but it's mostly targeted at himself overall because of what Keon did to him has made such a impact on him mentally. As for what is happening currently this amplify drug as I mentioned earlier will come into play for John / Sera's relationship. This amplifier will be used later on either on Sera or someone else. The reason I come up with this conclusion is because John needs a reason to protect people. He needs a reason to show sympathy and compassion just like the hero in the book Unordinary. Yes, he has stated he doesn't want to be a superhero but what other way can he cope with his power besides using it for good; for justice! Someone important is going to get hurt or sadly I must say may die. :) Thank you for reading. Support the author guys. I'm happy I'm alive to read this cwfm❤️
In all honestly the way I feel is, we as people have a snapping point. Everyone I’ve seen it I’ve never met a person, who you could push to the floor kick them. And have them just turn the other cheek, at some point there going to snap. And the longer they have to endure, the more explosive there retaliation is going to be.
From my standpoint-
I’ve noticed most people say John is crazy he is overreacting, he’s not the only one dealing with it. So no he’s in the wrong, and everyone else has repeated his exact mistakes. Late bloomers,
But my issue is that, it’s obvious that there’s something wrong the hierarchy. Not late bloomers, if late bloomers were treated right. No if everyone were to be treated right, then characters like John Would have never gone down the path they have. I mean look what path John took when he was given an example, of what a hero is. He clinged onto that idea and tried to be different, but society did it’s job through Arlo and other students. Pushing him back, over and over again. Until Snapping point.
The thing that I’m enjoying is how much he’s grown, because now he isn’t just retaliating randomly. It may not have been said in the WEBTOON now, but I feel like John has figured out. That no matter what side of the spectrum he’s in, wether it be a weakling who gets picked on, he’s going to feel like shit. And if he shows his power and becomes king, people still won’t accept him. Because in his eyes, picking on people is what’s acceptable by their society’s standards. But when he does it he’s seen as a monster(dude obviously goes further than everyone else don’t get me wrong).
But if feel like he understands, that he won’t be happy in those circumstances either. And his only option now, even after seeing history repeat itself. And sera not being by his side, he realizes the one thing tied to all the pain. Is the hierarchy, so he’s made up his mind that it has to go. And I have a feeling that, Johns going to make more advances in character. Throughout the series, and maybe even have some epic Redemption arc. And that’s going to be the best arc, since John right now is one of the most interesting characters in fiction for me right now lol. Probably going to get hate for that last comment.
The only problem I have is his brutality, if he wasn’t as brutal, then that would be one key difference from his old school.
John should read unOrdinary (I'm talking about the book his dad wrote) again, I feel like this would help him
My opinion is that John is misunderstood, and I don’t think he’s a villain, but I also think that he takes his revenge just a bit too far.
I'll say this much until John "kills" he hasn't done much wrong (except for Remi) I'd do the same thing in his situation but a little different
I can even justify Remi's beatdown.
@@denkerbosu3551 yeah to a degree Remi was oblivious and therefore it continued and because she got her shit pushed in she became aware of the situation of the low tiers which in a way is a good thing
@@ayyyjirachi6530 thing about empathy is sometimes you can only relate after you go thru the same thing others did, and royals lacked that
I don't know about the ones who get beat and pass down the beating on lower ranks after, no empathy to be found. Which seem to be the norm in this world
So maybe it needs a joker indeed
@@jorgefrade8900 yeah and even Vaughn said he was necessary
Remi started to care about the school after her buddied started getting beat up. Untill then she only cared about her problems only (her brothers death). But she had thise problems and was the first oerosn of the royals who made efforts to change things, I can give her that, in contrast with Sera who, whike being No1, only cared about getting tea.
He is both...yes that is a contradiction but that’s what it means to be Human! Flawed, illogical, weak, powerful...all that stuff. All I know is I love this manwha and can’t wait to see how it all ends.
I really enjoy your content ❤️
The funny part is, in the recent chapters they paint John to be this horrific monster that beats everyone up for no reason. Everyone’s reaction almost made me forget what John has been through before everything.
Best part is you can see johns perspective and why he is doing this lol
You completely deserve more subscribers. Really interesting!
the reason why john makes me mad is because i know how good he can be
Can we talk about when will they noticed Unordinary and make an anime out of this? Like seriously, its kind of rare to see the MC where people view him as a bad guy, a good guy, or a broken man through the entire story
Has anyone else noticed that John's name is the same as Joker's from Batman's Telltale series COINCIDENCE......... probably
Prolly a fun easter egg URU CHAN wanted to include “)
John Doe is actually a name used by law enforcement to identify a victim or suspect with an unknown name
JumpMan1300 i knew this one and I’m proud
F.B.I AGENT are you perhaps my personal F.B.I Agent? If so please do not think too much about my search history.
JumpMan1300 well no we get assigned 5-6 people and don’t worry one of the others is much more disturbing don’t worry ;)
Erm... I call this "Handsome Jack Syndrome" now, because John went through basically the exact same things that Handsome Jack from the borderlands series did, he started out a good person, but as time went on, more and more people betrayed him, until he snapped, and changed for the worse
John clearly has no faith in anybody in Welston. Even if the royals are starting to make changes for the better and have been recognising their own mistakes, the damage was already done to John who refuses to accept these changes and simply describes them as schemes that aim to hurt him. And it is possible that if John didn't beat the Royals they wouldn't have made any progress, they were simply relaxed with the way the system worked, they shouldn't cry about John's actions. Especially Sera who, while being the most powerful, let Arlo do whatever he wanted and let the system run as it did. John is surely the only one that can't be blamed as a hypocrite in this story.
episode 83 John said to Zeke that "You beat up a person who couldn't fight back. Does it feel good? You feel like you accomplished anything? You must be so proud of yourself. Go ahead, you can do whatever you want from me, just don't forget you are just like me." For me that line he knows that using his powers will make him the same like everyone else. He knows the moment he use his powers he knows he will abuse it. That's why he doesn't want to lead. He knows he isn't fit to lead. That's why when Remi says that he is a hypocrite when she tells him why did he hide his powers if he wants to change something. He only tells her that he is only stepping up to fix everything or rather destroy everything, so anything besides him are all equal.
My opinion on John is that his misunderstood and you can't change my mind. When John joined the school he did nothing wrong. Then people started bullying him for absolute no reason other then that he has no "ability".
i think a deep dive on the series "sweet home" could be really interesting and right up your alley. anyways good work ;-)
John got the worst of the world, he got one wish granted once, the path of revenge, a gratifying but damaging path, he gets put on another path, he actually tries real hard not to fuck up, but once again got the worst of the world, and dare i say even more worst than before, and even then, he instead of going full on bestial and satisfactory revenge, he just brings his paint to those that inflicted it on him
I had a dream about this where John admitted his past to the school and allied with Remi and Isen to tell the school how John visioned it before; a calm, safe place where everyone was happy. He left his message to everyone.
(Also I think that John took the name Joker because of the time he was happiest; playing Poker with his dad and Sera, and the first letter of his first name: J.
Poker + J = *Joker*
John is not the monster Joker is, I think of John as Anakin Skywalker with a second chance. What I’m trying to say here is that John and Anakin have a lot of similarities to each other their major ones is that they want to protect the people they care about by using their powers but their dark side makes the go about it the wrong way. They both want balance but somethings in the way of that like with Anakin theirs Darth Vader and with John theirs Joker. And no, I don’t think John and Joker are the same person let’s take a look who the characters are for a sec:
John: The school cripple that steps in to help other from bullies, shows remorse for his actions, the kid who inspires other people through confidence and strength, wants to be their for Seraphina every step of the way and is Kind to others.
Joker: The original John, a rage filled, remorseless, violent, narcissistic, power hungry Tyrant that spreads fear and chaos where ever he goes and cares about only destroying the hierarchy and ruling over Welston he used to care about Seraphina but until their argument he resented her and said she was dead to him and the one who treats Arlo like an Errand boy.
And also joker comes up every time Johns bubbles turn black.
You see the difference between the 2 characters. Every time he talks in those black bubbles, he becomes a totally different person like the John we know didn’t exist. The major thing that Joker lacks is remorse and John has remorse. An Example of this is when Joker was in the infirmary with Cecile and said Joker shows no Mercy. And example for John showing remorse is after the argument with Seraphina he starts to fall to his knees and cry as if he’s showing remorse, and joker would never cry , he would Call Seraphina a worthless Cripple and finally turns in John into the Monster he was back at New Boston. These things I’ve listed are things that John would never do. Every negative action Joker does effects John Negatively, Joker is just destroying Johns life more than helping him and honestly I don’t see John as the main antagonist but joker is, because John wants peace between the High and Low tiers at welston and protect Seraphina without using his powers but Joker gets in the way of that with his Violent outbursts, Hatred toward the the students, And just being a heartless monster.
claire broke johns trust at the beginning which led him to not trust adrion either, and later arlo destroys his small trust he had which is making john hard to believe that seraphina isn’t actually his friend aswell which is why he is mad at her, later cecile uses him just like claire did for her spot back in the press but because he had no care for the school anymore he gave it to her anyways. what i’m trying to say is that his actions are not forgivable but are understandable, but this is all my opinion.
If Jon's a monster its the systems who created him.
John tried to change for the better and he was pushed into madness and when he began to leave it while at the edge someone kept pushing him farther in causing him to fall into old habits once more
It’s Arlos fault. John just wanted to be a normal kid but then Aldo forced his hamd
John had a kind of ptsd and Arlo was pushing him to become a high tier again meaning he would be king so combining that it's obvious what would happen
Well I think he was misunderstood he is a very awesome character
He was misunderstood but the latest chapters make him look more like a Villain his Character is just ↗️↘️↙️↖️⬇️⬆️⬅️➡️⤵️⤴️↪️↪️
For real if Isan and Blyke fought over fucking pen then seriously every action John did was justifiable. Infact the high tiers, ALL of then were more or less hypocrites. When John goes on knocking them out in combat he is termed Psycopath or crazy or wild. But when Arlo unnecessarily tortured the defeated in combat or when Elaine degraded John for being crippled or when other mid tiers picked on John or Seraphina (after her ability) its just OK. The entire series initially had their own code of conduct but as John showed his true power everyones code of conduct started resembling ours. Everyone become noble when John went crazy. Its almost like the comic wants everyone to constantly hate John no matter what... If someone is up to date with series then seriously just re read the first 25 episodes and you will understand how their morals and reasons for combat, basically everythings changed.. seemed kinda like the author forgot the initial way people were
He is like the quiet kid you don't mess with
John's action were justified . Think about it they weren't just bullying him they were breaking bones and basically torturing him. Think about how much pain he must have gone through it's not easy to break an arm or a leg . He must've gone through so much torture and that much pain can break a person both mentally and physically. Think about kaneki he was tortured and look how he turned out .
But think about the world they are living in, everyone was taught that the strong rules over the weak. It was basically a norm and most thought it wasn’t wrong. You can see one in the chapter that Remi saves a low tier from a mid tier, and the mid tier didn’t see anything wrong with it due to it being so natural. John was a guy who suffered through that and showed everyone what he felt, and everyone realized Oh wait, the stuff i’m doing is wrong? Then they learn through the process. In the first part of john turning dark, his actions were justified. But now, he’s just beating everyone up now overlooking everything. Assuming that all of these people are fake and can never change. John is broken and lost all trust due to the Arlo breaking him little, but doesn’t mean he’s justified by beating up everyone and keep the school in a chaos state and keeping the school from moving forward. Now John needs to change.
John became a monster. That is my viewpoint especially after getting through his backstory. He was corrupted by power and slowly lost himself in the process.
The thing with John is he went through some sort of "rehab." It's obvious from that it wasn't pretty and after turning over a new leaf. John eventually does the same shit that he did beforehand. Which doesn't help him out either.
John is doing good he is just taking it too far
I just just found your channel, never know there is a webtoon youtuber
I forgive John because beating up a bunch of entitled hi tears is the best thing I’ve ever seen
Yeah but by doing that he becomes like them
It's like the other replyer said. By doing so he becomes just like them and if you forgive him then you got to forgive all the others who used their powers to harm those weaker then them
Kyle Kautz so if I punch someone who made my life a living hell i’m automatically a bully???
Kyle Kautz #teamjohn
Infinite_Dreamer I’m saying torturing others would make John just like them
It was the entire Royal members verses one person, how he got into this position was by the Royals. He got clean after his first rampage, he was "punished", the Royals has yet to experience punishment for their failure to do the right thing for someone like John and punishment fell upon them. John is in the right but now he's unhinged and confused, this has to be by PTSD for him to not trust anyone enough to calm down.
John never wanted to do anything wrong.
The People In His School Just Constantly keeps Bullying him Which made him snap.
So it's basically Their fault.
Tbh
I kinda miss White Text Bubble John..
AND Hair Gel John
Seeing John from ep 1 all the way to the present I still support John he isn't wrong about the world at all, he was beaten so many times even if he couldn't move from when he was a kid to him pretending to be a cripple.
Him wanting revenge makes sense, him beating up Isen for example is highly understandable bc Arlo denied finding Seraphina while secretly finding her so John had to himself.
Arlor still mocked him and didnt understand John didnt want to be part of the hierarchy Arlo ignored and it just made John stop caring anymore and more and more time goes on his views on the world changes from a peaceful time with Seraphina to him wanting to end it all why should he care if everyone so entitled to their power and want to seize control, abuse everyone, in force their power on other
He's just like us IRL people alot of times we break and stop caring about the world.
let's be clear here by the standards set in the manga the hierachy favors the strong.
Only the strong.
He did just that he was being strong without restraint and he did the same thing that the bullies did to him.
Most not if all of the characters come off as hypocritical when they see john go on a rampage when they did the same to him.
My boy is a misunderstood monster, prove me wrong.