I'm 100 with Ace because he is speaking from a standpoint in the way of the world. God created sex for marriage, but we don't live in a world like that, and I wish that we do.
Totally got Tony's back. Let's not confuse conversational opinions for truth. It's facts. Stop cutting him off..it's not religion either. It's the way God set this system for us up. My opinion.
@@Savingrace457 he is, I agree. But this is where Romans 12:2 comes to play. It says….And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God. Just because the world is doing it doesn’t mean that we should, especially if you’re sincere about walking in God’s purpose and will for your life.
@@Savingrace457I agree...I just feel like most of ace metaphore foundation goes back to how a himan treats u..if u gone thump the bible tyen promote the WHOLE BIBLE TONY NOT JUST WAT SUPPORTS U IN UR LIFESTYLE..period..a bible thumping bully..he need to refpect and pick a side
Exactly....100% don't promote how "God" want u to date but dont walk in the bible and the OTHER LAWS .SIMPLE LAws. Like keeping feast days sabbath day dietary law..and many others. that God want u to walk in ..God has😂 SEVERAL Principles..NOT JUST the ones Tony like to get claps on! I'm sorry ..it smell like a hot ass bowl of hypocritical bullshit to me...lmbo😂😂and folk ok here just catching some kind of ghost cuz it sound good cuz it aint holy nothing holy about a man acting like a bully as well...
He said “I grew up religious too” that’s the problem, a lot of us grew up in church, that doesn’t mean a thing if we aren’t following the principles of Jesus Christ.
I feel that I think what he means by it is he gets where he’s coming from but there’s more to it and it’s important to speak to more than just one particular group or ideology and I would even go so far as saying the goal would ultimately be to get us all on the same page when it comes to the intentions of dating but in order to do that, we have to appeal to more than just a specific group
@@AgainstTheGrain1991 ABSOLUTELY NOT! For those of us who have a relationship with Jesus, we only believe in GOD'S WAY PERIOD! God's people do not follow the ways of the world! We are called to be different from the world! The Lord says in His word that whoever loves the world and claims to love God is a liar, period, and those are GOD'S WORDS, not mine! The world crucified Jesus because they HATED THE TRUTH, just like some of you people today HATE the truth, and you hate the truth because YOU LOVE living sinful NASTY lifestyles, and you do not want to hear that it is WRONG! PERIOD! It doesn't matter how much the world changes, GOD DOES NOT CHANGE! So there is no other RIGHT way, except for God's way!
Christian women, I hope you're paying attention to this conversation. Married culture vs boyfriend/girlfriend culture. Choose which goal you're moving towards and date accordingly.
You have to go through one to get to the other. So what's wrong with learning how to date without hurting yourself or others? Dating does not have to involve sex or compromising your morals. I agree with Tony alot but he's rather narrow minded on how things are vs how they should be. If you're going to get people to come to Christ and want to do the right thing then speaking with them not at them & not shoving your ways and opinions on others. Him folding his arms & telling Ace to take the base out of his voice speaks volumes on his willingness to listen & accept his words. Ijs.
Ace is attempting to defend his platform while Tony is defending principled dating. Two totally different directions and mindsets. The goal should always be marriage dating to “find yourself” is childish. Travel, read a book, take a hike. You can find yourselves there.
This should be an eye opener… shows the two types of men we are dealing with today. One who’s trying to please god while the other is trying to please the world ! I’m so thankful that God is working on me because I probably would have been confused too ❤️
You can tell a worldly man from a man with God's heart. I'm glad we can see the difference. That man's perspective is all that is going wrong with society. Thanks Tony
Absolutely it’s like mixing oranges without righteous with unrighteous Tony Gaskins is a Saved man of God, husband, father You don’t have to snap or argue the word of God back to the naturally and spiritually.🙏🏼🧎🏽♀️❤️
If you are unhealed you shouldn't be dating cause you out here hurting other people. TG thank you for sticking with the truth. Do whats best for the community 🎉
Ace says no one disagrees with two parent households while promoting and validating exactly what leads to single parent households--aimless dating and casual sex.
I stopped listening to ace metaphor a long time ago but around the time he blocked me, he was writing something about how I should "KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED" (slut shaming) although I was celibate lol and had a semi-religious angle. So it's weird that he is an advocate for casual sex/dating for sex now
Ace’s Closing: “I like confusion and talk for talk sake. You’re uniformed Tony bc you don’t like listening to everyone’s pointless perspective”. Ace is literally the blind leading the blinder.
As a woman who desires to be married to a God-fearing , principled man , I approve Tony’s message . Please keep all that “dating” confusion away from me.
A man that's going to throw God's name in his mouth only when it suits him is the epitome of double minded.m.he don't talk about nothing else in the bible but like to open the book an blow the pages around and folk lick it right up off the ground 🤣🤣..i agree sister ..
Ahh!!! Good job Tony! It’s so refreshing to finally see a black man who it’s afraid to counter and stand firm against popular but confusing and fruitless messages/platforms our culture promotes.
Tony Gaskin made some valid points and everything he stated is actual and factual!!!! I tuned into Ace Metaphor's, "Tonight's Conversation" podcast for a few episodes and instantly felt confused and the conversations were very cringy and unsettling. I just can't entertain nonsense and what's the purpose of having a platform if it doesn't produce any substance? How is it beneficial for the black community? Like Tony said, we are struggling as a black community, and we need to produce information that will help build healthy families and marriages. "Tonight's Conversation" is part of the problem!!!
Tony is so right, I went to one of their events in Chicago “Tonight’s Conversation” and it was pointless. There was no purpose, no solution, no take away. The panel depended on the audience to navigate the conversation. It was essentially pointless. And now I understand why. The sensationalism is what led me to buy the ticket.
Appreciate this comment bc I truly wanted to go when they were in Nashville but had to work. I'm sooo thankful that my time wasn't wasted. Marketing is a beast bc that's the only reason I was going to purchase. Watching this clip said enough
continue to stand your ground for God Tony Tony you was calm about it as long as you did what God wanted you to do they can’t touch what God anointed period
Yeah I know right. That was crazy. And even though Tony was drinking that water to calm the storm in his belly from erupting, when he told Ace to drop that "base" out his voice!! He had every right to say that. Frfr.
Tony is correct!!!! Of course its based principles... it's God's way not Tony's way... he keep saying Tony's way... use your platform to lead your people to marriage, especially our black culture, we need voices thats going to lead us to build positive healthy marriages... men are uncomfortable about marriage we need men like Tony to bring our men to being intentional about marriage!!!!
This comment shows that you don’t listen to Ace Metaphor platform because he does offer that. Which is why he made the comment about having healthy married people on his panel. To help guide you or show you internal things that you have to work on before actually meeting your equally yoked partner.
@@duffessence what I can respond to is Ace response to his stance in dating in today's society. I don't have to listen to him to know his values are different and that's ok, this interview told me all I needed to know... I've come across his tiktok and granted he's entertaining and he has valid points but his stance and values are different, which he has stated out of his own mouth... which I can appreciate that but I stand with Tony dating for marriage is the only way and that's God's way. He may speak on a healthy relationship but is he promoting healthy marriages..., is he preparing his audience for marriage etc... or is he for what society want him to be ( which he said he was) so that is what I am referring to... he's a dope speaker in his own right.
Everything TG said was on point. I'm 34, and if you are living this life and dating, you should be dating with the purpose of marriage. However, this generation is so lost with social media, etc., that almost everything he says will go over people's heads.
Yup! Absolutely 🎯💯💥 we must continue to pray for all lost souls. They really were not taught this. The Bible speaks on those perishing because of the lack of know. Tony giving the knowledge and of course so many will reject it and say I’m a Christian. The Bible does speak on Jesus telling so may to depart from HIM, HE never knew them! I pray they stop following these norms and hunger and thirst for our Creator that their destiny is saved from the disaster they are headed to in Jesus Mighty Name. They calling what should be a relationship a religion.
I'm a #TonyGaskins listener all the way... he's direct, constant/consistent, relatable, respectful, integrity-filled, and a transparent believer through his speech, character, and walk.
There are married people on Ace’s panel and even Stephen Speaks who is a Christian. I went to the live podcast show and was grieved tbh. The live show was like a club. With the music playing and the twerk contest. Then the questions that were selected to be asked were childish and overly sexual. It was clear that Ace and most of the panel live in the world. The married woman and Stephen Speaks “ironically” left during the overly sexual segment. I also noticed Stephen looked visibly uncomfortable during some of the questions. The questions that were even a sprinkle biblically-related Ace would ask the married woman or Stephen to answer. Which showed me that Ace is not coming from a biblical background and doesn’t want to. He does promote the world and he promotes sex. I had to repent for being blinded and interested in the live show. I believe there’s a reason why Ace blocks out cursing on UA-cam. In person he was cursing so much and drunk. Tony and Ace have different beliefs and audiences so this “debate” would never come to an agreement.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I wanted to go when it came to my city but I missed it. But...when I watch the videos, it always seems so loud and seems like a party atmosphere. Like a lot of confusion, which breeds more confusion.
@@visionspoetry9164 yeahhh if you’re a Believer and you want to date/marry with God as the standard, don’t go lol. It’ll be a waste of your money & time.
Ace is making 10 times what Tony is and Tony wants $ also I think many of Tony followers don’t want to admit that Tony likes money Tony is also of the world his fans need to admit it
I agree with Tony. Only people in healthy marriages should be giving advice about marriage. The black community doesn’t need the other voices. Look at the data on our marriages and out of wedlock children
Exactly the way he’s addressing things isn’t working the way we are living gives us bad results which means it’s wrong we needs to do better we need someone who’s truly a leader.
YES TO TONY. If you TEACH BLACK CHILDREN you will see that exactly what he is saying is what is needed!! Our black children are suffering SOOO much and it’s their parents and the culture we have let permeate that has ruined them!
@@susandodson1234 what should Tony have done? Just taken it? Ace's voice and mannerisms were emotional and very passive aggressive. People can demand respectful dialogue.
21:15 this what Ace is saying right here is the problem right now in this world. Just because people are doing it, doesn’t mean it’s right. Too many are living life in a way that’s taking them straight to hell. Life is for a purpose but not many understand this! Heal first then decide to date.
Yup the other dude is as much of a “relationship coach” as an insect is a bear. And I can’t with all this fake phony “brother” 10times in every sentence
@@bigamemphis10 have you ever read the Bible? Jesus definitely put people in their place when it was needed🤷♀️ Even Peter in the Bible didn’t play that lol I’m just saying
Get him Tony!! Casual relationships leads to risky consequences. Dating is not experimental and for healing which leads to a heartbreak if the person's expectations and values are higher than the other person. Ace is missing the whole point.
Tony is standing on God’s Word. Not everyone will live this way. They may call themselves Christians but the Bible says many will say lord lord and Jesus will say he never knew them. The Bible says live holy. This applies to every area of life yes even dating. Yall want to date and live according to your flesh but then wonder why you keep dealing with heart ache, disappointment and pain
Tony G is standing on business and God’s word. Ace shows are just entertainment and influencers speaking on their perspective but still have no results. Once again, if everyone has a different perspective who is really right? He literally just said dating can be for finding yourself or entertaining purposes. Dating is not therapy sir. Principle will stand over “perspective” any day.
I love Tony’s message it helped me hold my boyfriend accountable, who is now my husband,❤❤I will always be grateful that I found your message at I time when I was lost. God bless you 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
This debate made it very clear why intentional dating is a better for women spirituality, mentally, physically and emotionally. I feel like the recreational dating that Ace mentioned is the reason we have so many women who were misled, abused, and cheated on by men “trying to find themselves” and as a society we end up with fatherless children who will only repeat these vicious cycles as adults.
The fact that Ace cannot even let Tony get a FULL thought out not only proves his disrespect for Tony, but also confirms his Emotional Intelligence! I would never tune in to that man’s “ rhetoric”
TONY IS RIGHT. Listen to married people when it comes to relationships. They’re at the epitome form of a relationship, lifelong commitment. Listening to anyone else, its not advice but information on their experience. We need more men like Tony
As a man that lives with purpose, I attest that Tony is absolutely right you can’t placate to everyone especially when you over 30. I Tell my lady this all the time.
Tony's directness and transparency are truly refreshing. His insights on manhood, relationships, and much more are not only accurate but also deeply needed in today's world. It's inspiring to see a Black man genuinely walking the walk and preaching the word of the Maker. Although I seldom comment online, I feel compelled to share how much I appreciate Tony's contributions
Don't like the way Tony gaskins is being cut off . Seems too much like trying to create hostile conversation for video content. Not respectful. No good.
I do understand both there plights but I stopped listening to Ace and Tonight's conversation because it was getting disrespectful (especially for women) and it just rubbed me the wrong way. I agree with Tony, we shouldn't even be dating if we're not healed and definitely not to find ourselves! Tonight's conversation just makes dating feel hopeless! When you really start healing, you don't wanna hear the craziness they be talking about. I've literally have watched them humiliate some people. So Team Tony on this one!
Yea they be entertaining immature bs. Like you’re really 40 years old wanting to be a side chick and asking for us to reassure you thats it’s the right decision? Like go on with that bs. Instead of entertaining that teenage nonsense give them that real, that tough love.
Tony won the argument but it’s clear Tony is jealous of Ace because Ace has made more money and is more successful both can be right Ace is a business man he just cloaking it as relationship advice and Tony wants to help but he want to be paid very handsomely which brings him worldly things 🤷🏿♂️
The problem with people who overemphasize subjectivity is that, in their cowardice and dishonesty, they never acknowledge that not all ideas of life (and of dating in particular) are conducive to a well-functioning society: we might all have different approaches to dating, but not all of these approaches will lend themselves to healthy relationships. Thus, any community-oriented thought leader should not shy away from saying, "Right is right, and wrong is wrong!". Only trifling people benefit from cultural ambiguity, as they can always hide behind the pretense of subjectivity to not be accountable for anything. Is it any wonder, then, that many people nowadays are so open about cheating? After all, maybe faithfulness is not everyone's "truth"!
ACE is proof that all these UA-camrs should not have a platform. They are just in it for the exposure and money because saying all voices matter is how we ended up in this situation of anyone doing anything and justifying
This was healthy because it's easy to be used to being the only voice. As Christians, we have to learn how to stand on God's word and our testimonies of obedience to it. God desires that we be the compare to the culture's contrast. It's a great commission, indeed.
Tony was emotional the entire time he talked. Which is why he kept exhibiting the body language of a woman that doesn't want to hear whats being said to her. Its also why he told another grown man to take the base out of his voice. Thats ths most feminine response you can have to another man explaining his point. Tony was flustered and feeling a way and tried to son him.
There’s an interview TG did on the KFS podcast where he admits in every relationship he was in he cheated and, even after he was married he thought about cheating all the time. So, I felt that he would be able to understand that some people date now the same way he used to to date then and, this is where understanding and grace should had been inserted. Overall, God will use anybody in order to help somebody, just as we all learned what we needed from this interview from them both🤷🏾♀️
God created individuals...marriage is just optional. Salvation, sin vs. holiness, heaven or hell has nothing to do with whether someone is married or not.
Can you imagine someone with no results telling Tony Gaskin "do a little more homework!" It's like someone with a GED telling someone with a Masters to "do a little more homework." In a deck of cards, Ace is definitely a joke, here! Lol!
💯 Ace is a joke, everything he says makes no sense. That comment of “do more homework” had me laughing at him, what a clown. Also, he said TG was being rude? Ace was rude with his constant iPhone scrolling & texting.
People should not be dating to find themselves! The best way to find yourself is to remain single and build focus on building a relationship with yourself!
I watch them both. I have NEVER seen a clip from the conversation about no postpartum, r mental health lol it’s always about being a side chick or side dude and Tony’s message is strictly and specifically about relationships leading to marriage. Two different messages period
7:01 I'm with Tony! It's not Tony's alignment, it is God's alignment. As we look at the alarming increase rate in OUR community of broken homes, heart, and families dating OUTSIDE of any way that is not God's way is a CLEAR sign God's way is the way, truth, and life.
Tony got a a little disrespectful. Don't tell another man to take the bass out his voice while taking to you. You're not his father, that's not your son. I agree with him though. He didn't have to disrespect Ace like that. Ace Metaphor is very "all inclusive" and I can see how that can hinder the progress of love and marriage. But did anyone ask Ace is that his purpose? His purpose could be to give everyone a voice and Tony's is to create marriages. Apples and Oranges.
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Tony Gaskin is not Double minded... He's straight forward and direct with his conversation. He's not making a blanket statement. I'm 100% with Tony.
I'm 100 with Ace because he is speaking from a standpoint in the way of the world. God created sex for marriage, but we don't live in a world like that, and I wish that we do.
Totally got Tony's back. Let's not confuse conversational opinions for truth. It's facts. Stop cutting him off..it's not religion either. It's the way God set this system for us up. My opinion.
@@Savingrace457 he is, I agree. But this is where Romans 12:2 comes to play. It says….And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God. Just because the world is doing it doesn’t mean that we should, especially if you’re sincere about walking in God’s purpose and will for your life.
@@Savingrace457I agree...I just feel like most of ace metaphore foundation goes back to how a himan treats u..if u gone thump the bible tyen promote the WHOLE BIBLE TONY NOT JUST WAT SUPPORTS U IN UR LIFESTYLE..period..a bible thumping bully..he need to refpect and pick a side
So am I because he stands on God’s principles! It’s the only way!
Ace has a worldly mind! Tony is speaking from what God wants
Exactly.. so why is Tony even arguing with him?
Exactly!!
Some of us are unfamiliar with ACE so we needed this exchange between them. I know Tony stands for God/Christ.
Heal before you deal🎯
Come on with the creator benefiting Tony!
Tony Gaskins Removed confusion brought clarity and reset the bar on the field. Thank you sir. #Reset #HelpTheMen
God is Love. God is not the author of confusion.
Exactly....100% don't promote how "God" want u to date but dont walk in the bible and the OTHER LAWS .SIMPLE LAws. Like keeping feast days sabbath day dietary law..and many others. that God want u to walk in ..God has😂 SEVERAL Principles..NOT JUST the ones Tony like to get claps on! I'm sorry ..it smell like a hot ass bowl of hypocritical bullshit to me...lmbo😂😂and folk ok here just catching some kind of ghost cuz it sound good cuz it aint holy nothing holy about a man acting like a bully as well...
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Exactly
He said “I grew up religious too” that’s the problem, a lot of us grew up in church, that doesn’t mean a thing if we aren’t following the principles of Jesus Christ.
This!!!!
Love Your Statement!
That Use To Mentality Becomes Wordly.
Values and Foundation Doesn't Leave You.
Traditional Values Stays Within You.
👍👏👏👏👏 AMEN! ONLY those who follow Jesus are righteous!💯🎯🎯🎯🎯 GOD'S way is the ONLY way!
I feel that I think what he means by it is he gets where he’s coming from but there’s more to it and it’s important to speak to more than just one particular group or ideology and I would even go so far as saying the goal would ultimately be to get us all on the same page when it comes to the intentions of dating but in order to do that, we have to appeal to more than just a specific group
@@AgainstTheGrain1991 ABSOLUTELY NOT! For those of us who have a relationship with Jesus, we only believe in GOD'S WAY PERIOD! God's people do not follow the ways of the world! We are called to be different from the world! The Lord says in His word that whoever loves the world and claims to love God is a liar, period, and those are GOD'S WORDS, not mine! The world crucified Jesus because they HATED THE TRUTH, just like some of you people today HATE the truth, and you hate the truth because YOU LOVE living sinful NASTY lifestyles, and you do not want to hear that it is WRONG! PERIOD! It doesn't matter how much the world changes, GOD DOES NOT CHANGE! So there is no other RIGHT way, except for God's way!
The thing is Tony has been where Ace has been but Ace hasn't been where Tony is.
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@@katrinaodegbesan7754 yes, ok 👌 go Tony
That part
Christian women, I hope you're paying attention to this conversation. Married culture vs boyfriend/girlfriend culture. Choose which goal you're moving towards and date accordingly.
Amen. We have fell so far from grace. So many are settling for any type of commitment.
they are not looking for wives, they are looking for convenience. They have been telling us in so many ways.
You have to go through one to get to the other. So what's wrong with learning how to date without hurting yourself or others? Dating does not have to involve sex or compromising your morals. I agree with Tony alot but he's rather narrow minded on how things are vs how they should be. If you're going to get people to come to Christ and want to do the right thing then speaking with them not at them & not shoving your ways and opinions on others. Him folding his arms & telling Ace to take the base out of his voice speaks volumes on his willingness to listen & accept his words. Ijs.
@@visionspoetry9164 you better say that again!! I am so tired of these WORLDLY people and their OPINIONS not PRINCIPLES of the way we should live.
Amen
Ace is attempting to defend his platform while Tony is defending principled dating. Two totally different directions and mindsets. The goal should always be marriage dating to “find yourself” is childish. Travel, read a book, take a hike. You can find yourselves there.
Exactly
THIS!!!...👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾...I agree
So true !!
He was defending his platform more than principal
Wow
Absolutely !.
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This should be an eye opener… shows the two types of men we are dealing with today. One who’s trying to please god while the other is trying to please the world ! I’m so thankful that God is working on me because I probably would have been confused too ❤️
Exactly
This right here! 💯
That’s a BIG point! I’m so tired of the BS within the culture.
Tony says there are 2types of men: grown MEN and grown BOYS. We see both types with Tony and ACE.
The difference here is one guys is strictly promote marital unity under God's covenant. The other is promoting relationship entertainment.
@@tgee1007 This is true!
Tony you are supported. WE NEED what you have to offer; we thank you for your honesty & transparency. Continue to do the Lord's work 👏🏽👏🏽
You can tell a worldly man from a man with God's heart. I'm glad we can see the difference. That man's perspective is all that is going wrong with society. Thanks Tony
Absolutely it’s like mixing oranges without righteous with unrighteous Tony Gaskins is a Saved man of God, husband, father You don’t have to snap or argue the word of God back to the naturally and spiritually.🙏🏼🧎🏽♀️❤️
You are definitely right
If you are unhealed you shouldn't be dating cause you out here hurting other people.
TG thank you for sticking with the truth. Do whats best for the community 🎉
Ace says no one disagrees with two parent households while promoting and validating exactly what leads to single parent households--aimless dating and casual sex.
Very true! OMG! Why are people so blind? This is a real issue in the black community and a lot of people seem absolutely delusional!
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Like make it make sense!
Exactly
I stopped listening to ace metaphor a long time ago but around the time he blocked me, he was writing something about how I should "KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED" (slut shaming) although I was celibate lol and had a semi-religious angle. So it's weird that he is an advocate for casual sex/dating for sex now
Respectully Ace, if you don't stand for something , you'll fall for anything...
Ace’s Closing: “I like confusion and talk for talk sake. You’re uniformed Tony bc you don’t like listening to everyone’s pointless perspective”. Ace is literally the blind leading the blinder.
Right exactly
Agreed
You definitely said it right…blind leading the blind.
As a woman who desires to be married to a God-fearing , principled man , I approve Tony’s message . Please keep all that “dating” confusion away from me.
Period
A man that's going to throw God's name in his mouth only when it suits him is the epitome of double minded.m.he don't talk about nothing else in the bible but like to open the book an blow the pages around and folk lick it right up off the ground 🤣🤣..i agree sister ..
YES & AMEN!!!!
@gabriellex0x0 agreed and I hope you are having a wonderful evening
Yes ma'am, I pray the most high blesses you with what your heart truly desires. Have a lovely day sis.
Tony's face says: ok, do it your way and let me know how that goes for ya'll LOL. Tony is right. Point blank PERIOD.
“POINT BLANK PERIOD” in his voice 😂
This debate was a spiritual warfare. And Jesus follower, Tony Gaskins won this fight 👏🏿 💪🏿 🙌🏽
Period
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Exactly 💯 💯 💯 TG❤❤
When you work for God, you win all day every day!
No he didn't. He presented God, His kingdom and the heart of God TERRIBLY
Ahh!!! Good job Tony! It’s so refreshing to finally see a black man who it’s afraid to counter and stand firm against popular but confusing and fruitless messages/platforms our culture promotes.
Tony, as a married person, is speaking straight facts. Respectfully.
Listen Tony I'm with you when you're right ✅️ and... you're 100% right
Salute
Cmon Tony!!!! With the word!!! Doesn't matter the time of dating...
God's way is the only way
.... He lays the foundation of marriage/dating
THIS
Tony Gaskin made some valid points and everything he stated is actual and factual!!!! I tuned into Ace Metaphor's, "Tonight's Conversation" podcast for a few episodes and instantly felt confused and the conversations were very cringy and unsettling. I just can't entertain nonsense and what's the purpose of having a platform if it doesn't produce any substance? How is it beneficial for the black community? Like Tony said, we are struggling as a black community, and we need to produce information that will help build healthy families and marriages. "Tonight's Conversation" is part of the problem!!!
Agreed! It was confusing, and God is not a God of confusion so I will never listen to them!
Perfectly said!!!!
Marriage is not the solution for the Black community, God is!
Tony is so right, I went to one of their events in Chicago “Tonight’s Conversation” and it was pointless. There was no purpose, no solution, no take away. The panel depended on the audience to navigate the conversation. It was essentially pointless. And now I understand why. The sensationalism is what led me to buy the ticket.
Appreciate this comment bc I truly wanted to go when they were in Nashville but had to work. I'm sooo thankful that my time wasn't wasted. Marketing is a beast bc that's the only reason I was going to purchase. Watching this clip said enough
I bought a ticket but never went I felt everything was just ghetto! So I lost out on money?
@@thedebtfreelady you didn’t miss a thing….
Don’t like a sneak attack they pulled on Tony. They were wrong for that.. 😡
I peeped that too.👀
continue to stand your ground for God Tony Tony you was calm about it as long as you did what God wanted you to do they can’t touch what God anointed period
He handled it well
I agree.
Yeah I know right. That was crazy. And even though Tony was drinking that water to calm the storm in his belly from erupting, when he told Ace to drop that "base" out his voice!! He had every right to say that. Frfr.
Tony Gaskins said nothing but the TRUTH & the TRUTH shall set you free 🕊️.. point blank perioddddd !
Amen!!!
I'd like to see Stephan Speaks, Tony Gaskins', Ace Metaphor, and Tim Ross all on one panel.
Yessir
Tony said he would never come back after this i believe
Yesssss me too!!! That would be sooo 🔥🔥🔥🔥🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Take out Ace Metaphor because he is not standing on what those other guys are. Ace is for culture the other guys are for results.
I dont believe Ace is on the level of the other three gentlemen yet. I'm surprised he kept interrupting Tony. It's a bit off putting
Ace got SERVED from the sec he opens his mouth and Tony responded! And he KNEW IT, written in his face.
I love Tony’s calmness throughout this conversation as ace being argumentative
He’s filled with the Spirit, Peace. Ace seems to be demonstrating an combative spirit…certainly not of God
Yes!
What were u watching ..Tony was out of control
Tony is correct!!!! Of course its based principles... it's God's way not Tony's way... he keep saying Tony's way... use your platform to lead your people to marriage, especially our black culture, we need voices thats going to lead us to build positive healthy marriages... men are uncomfortable about marriage we need men like Tony to bring our men to being intentional about marriage!!!!
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This comment shows that you don’t listen to Ace Metaphor platform because he does offer that. Which is why he made the comment about having healthy married people on his panel. To help guide you or show you internal things that you have to work on before actually meeting your equally yoked partner.
@@duffessence what I can respond to is Ace response to his stance in dating in today's society. I don't have to listen to him to know his values are different and that's ok, this interview told me all I needed to know... I've come across his tiktok and granted he's entertaining and he has valid points but his stance and values are different, which he has stated out of his own mouth... which I can appreciate that but I stand with Tony dating for marriage is the only way and that's God's way. He may speak on a healthy relationship but is he promoting healthy marriages..., is he preparing his audience for marriage etc... or is he for what society want him to be ( which he said he was) so that is what I am referring to... he's a dope speaker in his own right.
Everything TG said was on point. I'm 34, and if you are living this life and dating, you should be dating with the purpose of marriage. However, this generation is so lost with social media, etc., that almost everything he says will go over people's heads.
Yup! Absolutely 🎯💯💥 we must continue to pray for all lost souls. They really were not taught this. The Bible speaks on those perishing because of the lack of know. Tony giving the knowledge and of course so many will reject it and say I’m a Christian. The Bible does speak on Jesus telling so may to depart from HIM, HE never knew them! I pray they stop following these norms and hunger and thirst for our Creator that their destiny is saved from the disaster they are headed to in Jesus Mighty Name. They calling what should be a relationship a religion.
Agreed
Thank you Tony for being a man of principle and clarity..
Say that again for the people in the back❤
The hosts are so messy for how they played this out…. Smh,
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This was about Tony and he came on and got mad at everything Tony said. Ace is emotional that he doesn't agree with him.
I completely agree.
Maturity Vs. Immaturity is Unmatched!
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I'm a #TonyGaskins listener all the way... he's direct, constant/consistent, relatable, respectful, integrity-filled, and a transparent believer through his speech, character, and walk.
There are married people on Ace’s panel and even Stephen Speaks who is a Christian. I went to the live podcast show and was grieved tbh. The live show was like a club. With the music playing and the twerk contest. Then the questions that were selected to be asked were childish and overly sexual. It was clear that Ace and most of the panel live in the world. The married woman and Stephen Speaks “ironically” left during the overly sexual segment. I also noticed Stephen looked visibly uncomfortable during some of the questions. The questions that were even a sprinkle biblically-related Ace would ask the married woman or Stephen to answer. Which showed me that Ace is not coming from a biblical background and doesn’t want to. He does promote the world and he promotes sex. I had to repent for being blinded and interested in the live show. I believe there’s a reason why Ace blocks out cursing on UA-cam. In person he was cursing so much and drunk. Tony and Ace have different beliefs and audiences so this “debate” would never come to an agreement.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I wanted to go when it came to my city but I missed it.
But...when I watch the videos, it always seems so loud and seems like a party atmosphere. Like a lot of confusion, which breeds more confusion.
@@visionspoetry9164 yeahhh if you’re a Believer and you want to date/marry with God as the standard, don’t go lol. It’ll be a waste of your money & time.
I praise God for giving me the foresight to know that aces show was a toxic mess when I first saw the advertisement
Guys thank you both for bring on Tony G. He single handedly just exposed Ace true intentions. We'll done
Ace is making 10 times what Tony is and Tony wants $ also I think many of Tony followers don’t want to admit that Tony likes money Tony is also of the world his fans need to admit it
I agree with Tony. Only people in healthy marriages should be giving advice about marriage. The black community doesn’t need the other voices. Look at the data on our marriages and out of wedlock children
Exactly the way he’s addressing things isn’t working the way we are living gives us bad results which means it’s wrong we needs to do better we need someone who’s truly a leader.
Giving advice about "marriage"
@@teresam5199 yes. I’ll edit my comment. Thx
YES TO TONY. If you TEACH BLACK CHILDREN you will see that exactly what he is saying is what is needed!! Our black children are suffering SOOO much and it’s their parents and the culture we have let permeate that has ruined them!
TEAM TONY! He’s sooooo right!!!! Cool, calm, collected and wise!
You will know them by their fruit.
That part.
I have gained even more respect for Tony after this brief debate.. Don't play with God's principles!!
Wow he told Ace to take the base out his voice and he’s godly??? He disrespectful!!!!
@@susandodson1234 what should Tony have done? Just taken it? Ace's voice and mannerisms were emotional and very passive aggressive. People can demand respectful dialogue.
Period
21:15 this what Ace is saying right here is the problem right now in this world. Just because people are doing it, doesn’t mean it’s right. Too many are living life in a way that’s taking them straight to hell. Life is for a purpose but not many understand this! Heal first then decide to date.
Yeah but the results out way everything.
Done deal!!! YES! Gaskin all the way.
Useless debate.
Yup the other dude is as much of a “relationship coach” as an insect is a bear. And I can’t with all this fake phony “brother” 10times in every sentence
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Absolutely.. Tony is a true man of God & not to be played with .. some people just love confusion sadly
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Dating for fun is immature.
Tony always stand on business 🐐 🔥 Praying for God to raise up more men as bold and on fire for God!
Yesss Tony👏👏👏 this is a clear representation of Godly wisdom vs. Carnal mindset.
The way Tony spoke and acted was Godly to you?
@@bigamemphis10 have you ever read the Bible? Jesus definitely put people in their place when it was needed🤷♀️ Even Peter in the Bible didn’t play that lol I’m just saying
What’s your husband’s opinion?
It’s probably the same as the wife that you don’t have.
@@bigamemphis10 he hasn’t watched this episode but let me just say…. the Bible supersedes anyone’s opinion 🤷♀️
Get him Tony!! Casual relationships leads to risky consequences. Dating is not experimental and for healing which leads to a heartbreak if the person's expectations and values are higher than the other person. Ace is missing the whole point.
Tony is standing on God’s Word. Not everyone will live this way. They may call themselves Christians but the Bible says many will say lord lord and Jesus will say he never knew them. The Bible says live holy. This applies to every area of life yes even dating. Yall want to date and live according to your flesh but then wonder why you keep dealing with heart ache, disappointment and pain
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“Heal before you deal”-- Tony G.
Weird thing is Ace has a similar video and message it just gets overshafdowed by all the nonsense he spews
TONY!!!!!!!!!!! great conversation sir, you laid out your points and the facts
Tony Gaskin is absolutely right!! One thing for sure, when you are right, people get offended and will argue with you no matter what.
Team Tony Gaskins all the way! The principles of love and dating have not changed...amen!
Tony G is standing on business and God’s word. Ace shows are just entertainment and influencers speaking on their perspective but still have no results. Once again, if everyone has a different perspective who is really right?
He literally just said dating can be for finding yourself or entertaining purposes. Dating is not therapy sir.
Principle will stand over “perspective” any day.
The thing is people are entitled to their own perspective but there is only ONE TRUTH.
Gaskins shut this one down 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Tony said we're apart of the same generation 😂😂😂
I am a part of Tony Gaskins' audience.
My self
Same🤗
Tony know they ain’t str8
As am I and this was a total set up. Smh I agree with Tony.
Me too
I love Tony’s message it helped me hold my boyfriend accountable, who is now my husband,❤❤I will always be grateful that I found your message at I time when I was lost. God bless you 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
This debate made it very clear why intentional dating is a better for women spirituality, mentally, physically and emotionally. I feel like the recreational dating that Ace mentioned is the reason we have so many women who were misled, abused, and cheated on by men “trying to find themselves” and as a society we end up with fatherless children who will only repeat these vicious cycles as adults.
The fact that Ace cannot even let Tony get a FULL thought out not only proves his disrespect for Tony, but also confirms his Emotional Intelligence! I would never tune in to that man’s “ rhetoric”
Tony wasn’t giving worldly living and messaging a pass. And I respect that.
TONY IS RIGHT. Listen to married people when it comes to relationships. They’re at the epitome form of a relationship, lifelong commitment. Listening to anyone else, its not advice but information on their experience. We need more men like Tony
Married or single people with unhealthy, negative relationships can not tell anyone anything. Period.
Married people in healthy relationships. Got be clear on that one😂😂
Tony Gaston is 100% correct everything he said about Ace’s show is what you do experience confusion and sensationalism
That part. It’s mostly entertainment
Tony is right and the reason people are so broken is because they are looking for love in all the wrong places besides doing it the most highs way
And it's in God, not a man or a woman
Why is Tony evening having a conversation with someone who is not equally yoked with him
I’m here for the Clarity. Thank you, Tony! These people need to heal before they deal. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
As a man that lives with purpose, I attest that Tony is absolutely right you can’t placate to everyone especially when you over 30. I Tell my lady this all the time.
Team TONY! Just observing the difference in their body language speaks volumes. Tony was confident & poised.
Tony's directness and transparency are truly refreshing. His insights on manhood, relationships, and much more are not only accurate but also deeply needed in today's world. It's inspiring to see a Black man genuinely walking the walk and preaching the word of the Maker. Although I seldom comment online, I feel compelled to share how much I appreciate Tony's contributions
Don't like the way Tony gaskins is being cut off . Seems too much like trying to create hostile conversation for video content. Not respectful. No good.
I agree with Tony. Don't like this interview or interviewer energy here . Have a great day
No blanket statements
I do understand both there plights but I stopped listening to Ace and Tonight's conversation because it was getting disrespectful (especially for women) and it just rubbed me the wrong way. I agree with Tony, we shouldn't even be dating if we're not healed and definitely not to find ourselves! Tonight's conversation just makes dating feel hopeless! When you really start healing, you don't wanna hear the craziness they be talking about. I've literally have watched them humiliate some people. So Team Tony on this one!
Yea they be entertaining immature bs. Like you’re really 40 years old wanting to be a side chick and asking for us to reassure you thats it’s the right decision? Like go on with that bs. Instead of entertaining that teenage nonsense give them that real, that tough love.
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Toni won this Argument Hands Down!
Tony won the argument but it’s clear Tony is jealous of Ace because Ace has made more money and is more successful both can be right Ace is a business man he just cloaking it as relationship advice and Tony wants to help but he want to be paid very handsomely which brings him worldly things 🤷🏿♂️
The problem with people who overemphasize subjectivity is that, in their cowardice and dishonesty, they never acknowledge that not all ideas of life (and of dating in particular) are conducive to a well-functioning society: we might all have different approaches to dating, but not all of these approaches will lend themselves to healthy relationships.
Thus, any community-oriented thought leader should not shy away from saying, "Right is right, and wrong is wrong!". Only trifling people benefit from cultural ambiguity, as they can always hide behind the pretense of subjectivity to not be accountable for anything. Is it any wonder, then, that many people nowadays are so open about cheating? After all, maybe faithfulness is not everyone's "truth"!
This was a well thought out comment! 👏🏾 wholeheartedly agree
Agreed 💯
“My truth” was the beginning of the end.
Let him cook!!!! Highlight this comment!!!
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Ace is TRIGGEREDDDDDD 😂
Big triggered
I love it lol
Very keeps interrupting Tony and all😅
He’s doing the devils work
I stand 10toes down w/Tony Gaskins & I L❤️🩹D what he had to say.
Tonight’s Conversation =entertainment Tony Gaskins= Godly principles to date and have a healthy marriage!
I understand both points of views...they both speak to people different walks of life at different stages . I agree with them both!
Tonny G. You're speaking the truth. The word of God is the TRUTH. And everyother thing is a lie, confussion ...
Tony Gaskins is THE ONE & THE TWO baby!!! ❤
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One thing we don't need is more divisiveness. Thank you for promoting mature dialogue.
Tony is too blessed to go on Ace’s panel
Agreed!
ACE is proof that all these UA-camrs should not have a platform. They are just in it for the exposure and money because saying all voices matter is how we ended up in this situation of anyone doing anything and justifying
Tony is speaking truth, stop mixing, it won’t work. Tony conversation is solid, it has a foundation. You cannot build without a foundation.
Mr Gaskin❤ is always on point !!!!!!!!!!
This was healthy because it's easy to be used to being the only voice. As Christians, we have to learn how to stand on God's word and our testimonies of obedience to it. God desires that we be the compare to the culture's contrast.
It's a great commission, indeed.
All of it is a conversation what you do with it is your choice in my opinion.
Tony said cut out all that emotion we are talking like men 😂
Tony was emotional the entire time he talked. Which is why he kept exhibiting the body language of a woman that doesn't want to hear whats being said to her. Its also why he told another grown man to take the base out of his voice. Thats ths most feminine response you can have to another man explaining his point. Tony was flustered and feeling a way and tried to son him.
I listen and watch all Tony’s videos he’s taught me a lot truly am thankful for his platform ❤
Yes I agree with Tony Gaskins
25:34 PERFECTLY SAID TONY!!!🎯💯💥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
As a man, I agree with Tony
thank you for saying that publicly! Many blessings to you!
School these ‘Brothers’ Tony Gaskins🙏🏾‼️ 🗣️
There’s an interview TG did on the KFS podcast where he admits in every relationship he was in he cheated and, even after he was married he thought about cheating all the time. So, I felt that he would be able to understand that some people date now the same way he used to to date then and, this is where understanding and grace should had been inserted. Overall, God will use anybody in order to help somebody, just as we all learned what we needed from this interview from them both🤷🏾♀️
I agree with Tony the entire goal of dating is two healthy people resulting in marriage . God created family
Period
God created individuals...marriage is just optional. Salvation, sin vs. holiness, heaven or hell has nothing to do with whether someone is married or not.
Tony ATE! While marriage is not for me, I totally agree with him.
Can you imagine someone with no results telling Tony Gaskin "do a little more homework!" It's like someone with a GED telling someone with a Masters to "do a little more homework." In a deck of cards, Ace is definitely a joke, here! Lol!
💯 Ace is a joke, everything he says makes no sense. That comment of “do more homework” had me laughing at him, what a clown. Also, he said TG was being rude? Ace was rude with his constant iPhone scrolling & texting.
People should not be dating to find themselves! The best way to find yourself is to remain single and build focus on building a relationship with yourself!
I watch them both. I have NEVER seen a clip from the conversation about no postpartum, r mental health lol it’s always about being a side chick or side dude and Tony’s message is strictly and specifically about relationships leading to marriage. Two different messages period
7:01 I'm with Tony! It's not Tony's alignment, it is God's alignment. As we look at the alarming increase rate in OUR community of broken homes, heart, and families dating OUTSIDE of any way that is not God's way is a CLEAR sign God's way is the way, truth, and life.
And God's way is not marriage, but placing His faith in Him and following His commandments.
Whew chile, Tony was absolutely correct. I can understand Ace metaphor but his message was a bit redundant.
There’s no such thing as a coincidence… This was a Setup
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Do They think we’re slow? Lmao that’s why Tony’s face looked like that when they asked if he would mind if Ace joined. He peeped game from jump
Like he said he came for clarity they for confusion
Nothing is a coincidence and social media. I’m sure they all knew.
This definitely re affirms my appreciation for Tony Gaskins and his message. Please bring him back on the show soon! 🤍
Absolutely!!!
Yes indeed!
Absolutely!!
Amen
He won’t be returning
Tony got a a little disrespectful. Don't tell another man to take the bass out his voice while taking to you. You're not his father, that's not your son. I agree with him though. He didn't have to disrespect Ace like that. Ace Metaphor is very "all inclusive" and I can see how that can hinder the progress of love and marriage. But did anyone ask Ace is that his purpose? His purpose could be to give everyone a voice and Tony's is to create marriages. Apples and Oranges.