UNRULY PASSENGER. Overweight landing. Delta Airbus A333 returned to Boston. Real ATC
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
30-OCT-2022. A Delta Air Lines Airbus A330-300 (A333), registration N813NW, performing flight DAL258 / DL258 from Boston Logan International Airport, MA (USA) to Amsterdam Schiphol Airport (Netherlands) being about 80 miles north-east of Boston at 20000 feet, reported uncontrolled passenger and requested return to Boston Logan Airport. When they were ready for approach the crew reported their intentions to do an overweight landing and requested the fire trucks to meet them after landing.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 Climb
00:22 Delta 258 reported their issue and requested return
03:42 The crew started approach
05:05 DAL258 reported their intentions to do an overweight landing
06:19 Delta 258 contacted Approach
08:00 The pilots contacted Tower
08:38 Landing
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The pilots, crew and ATC are just awesome. We can’t fathom how these folks protect us on each and every flight…. Thank you guys. The professionalism and compassion you show each and every day is never recognized but never undervalued……
We think flying a plane is like getting on a bus…. Not even close…. These folks and many many more protect and help us in ways we will never understand…
It’s insulting when people compare a pilot to a bus driver. If in fact flying an aircraft was like driving a bus, bus drivers would line up to fly planes and make six figure incomes. The education and training requirements for becoming a pilot is no joke. Not to mention the BS that comes with dealing with the public. That in fact IS what bus drivers and pilots have in common…dealing with BS from the public.
Well said.
That's very insulting to bus drivers.
Dementia is such a horrible, horrible thing only made more horrible when people don't know how to handle a person with dementia having a confused and afraid episode. I'm so thankful that flight crews are so well trained and they do so much to protect the other passengers as well as the person having the medical crisis. Well done all the way around Delta 258!
BIG assumption on your part and everyone else too. Could have been a drunk, or a political fanatic with a broken bottle.
@@curiousgeorge1940 Not an assumption at all. The PILOT said the flight attendants suspected dementia. If you are familiar with dementia you know exactly what it looks like and recognize certain confused behaviors in elderly people.
Bless the person who was ill. Bless the flight crew and ATC. Nice job.👍
“If you don’t settle down right this minute, I’m turning this plane around!!”
They could have just pulled over....LOL
I read overweight passenger and thought well that's rude to call the tower about it. 😂
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 me too
I did too😂
Ate a whole pack of Mint Slice biscuits, now I'm worried the plane will be overbalanced on one side when I fly in 2 weeks, lol.
Hahahahahahaha
It’s not easy to deal with someone who has dementia it’s just a sad situation.
Exactly. Sundowning is scary and might be more likely to happen during an evening flight like this. Sad indeed.
Or any brain related desease...
And if that person is the President of the United States....then it is a really bad situation.
Someone with dementia probably shouldn't be on an transatlantic flight.
@@RLTtizME Happens every time he flies.
My father had Alzheimer’s. I feel for the family. I don’t know how they will get him home. It’s terrible. The pilot was great.
It does warm my heart to read many of the replies here which offer compassion for the unruly passenger. This wasn't some incident where an entitled "Karen" decided to make a fuss and not care about the circumstances or other people. This case was different and it's nice to see many realize that here. I can't imagine how frustrated the other passengers were to have to return back to BOS after such a delay but in the end it's about ensuring this unruly passenger wasn't at further risk to himself, the crew, fellow passengers, or the aircraft.
Absolutely right
Very well stated sir!!
I was working that night, the tough part was that the flight was already delayed 4 hours before this so total wait time was over 6 hours before they were able to actually make the flight. Some insight into the passenger had completely forgotten where they were and was pacing up and down the aisles. Great work on both parts to get that plane down quick and get the passenger help.
The passenger should have paid all the tickets for the passengers.
They may, but it'll be up to the passengers to sue the individual(s) in question directly, individually. And it may be that it was a mental issue and I just don't know how that'd go.
If the passengers are delayed just a few more hours, then it's not worth it most likely.
I wonder if that delay exacerbated any issues due to medication timings. From what I see the flight wasn't delayed because of a late arrival so I don't know how long passengers would have been at the gate for.
@@136ctrh Maybe, had the flight been able to depart as planned, the person wouldn't have suffered distress. But prolonged waiting in an environment not well known to the person (first airport, then plane), can trigger alot of distress.
Reminds me of the movie, “The Savages.”..😩
This is such a well edited video. I'm honestly amazed at the amount of information that's available and the time spent on making this animation. I even work in this industry and was not aware that it was possible to access that much raw data.
I was on a flight that had to return to the airport due to a unruly passenger. That person completely lost it when he overheard another passengers talking about a certain ex president. To say that guy went apeshit would be a understatement. He was threatening to kill the person for daring to speak. I might add the person was not being derogatory but stating a fact. We were delayed by over three hours and the nutter I’m afraid most of the other passengers were then calling him was handcuffed and carried from the plane to the cheers of all.
SAD
Wow, talk about deranged
This was a great group of people highly trained and are ready to connect with in any urgent matter. From the moment that call started till it ended it was smooth like butter!
I'm surprised law enforcement was requested but no medical assistance. Should have had paramedics standing by along with airport security/police in case person needed to be restrained. Flight crew can't make medical diagnosis, but if they suspect dementia and say that over the radio, then there is a good chance that they don't think passenger is being disruptive on purpose.
Probably a nurse or doctor on the flight told crew what the problem likely was
I agree. Clearly this person needed medical assistance not force from the law. Especially if they have dementia.
@@TheFunninthesun that's the carceral state in which we exist. 😳
Maybe a family member was traveling with the passenger and told the crew about the dementia.
Often times law enforcement is needed to restrain and control the person in crisis so they don’t harm themselves or others. I agree that the paramedics should be standing by, but they would need the assistance of law enforcement physically restrain the individual before they could be chemically restrained. Someone in crisis with dementia can rarely be reasoned with.
A friend of mine had to move her husband with Alzheimer's from a SoCal facility to a NorCal facility and she was trying to figure out how to go about it, I told her to give him a Xanax that morning before getting on the flight, he was in a wheelchair at this point, and all went well
Handled and coordinated very well by all.
Perfect, cold &coordinated team work. Professionals speak.
I read the title of this video as, "Passenger overweight. Landing." 🤣
Reminds me of that time an aircraft was heavy and the ATC (Steve) replied, “that makes two of us” 🤣
@@meganproffitt424 😂
@@meganproffitt424 I Miss Kennedy Steve 😢
@@msjdb723
The irony is he’s a ramp manager now (last I heard). 🤣
Traitor
These videos are so well done. The editing must be laborious, but the finished oroducr is fantastic. Now we need to look up the cell phone coverage from the plane, we know someone recorded it, and the body cam footage from the officers. Our inquisitive nature wants to know, lol. Thank you.
After my grandfather had a significant stroke he was prone to unexpected episodes of violence. He couldn't help it. It was usually caused by his frustration and inability to understand what was going on around him. This passenger and his family probably needs some compassion rather than the police.
But also family letting him know he shouldn't be flying anymore.
We all get sick, ill beyond our control, we don't know the whole story and backgrounds, but If the family and the "patient" knows about his situation in advance, they don't deserve compassion, it is pure selfishness. Police is called to meet any plane as an airport protocol, not necessary to arrest. If you call 911 for ambulance, a police officer will show up no matter what, it is a protocol.
@@anbooba in another comment, someone mentioned that this flight had already experienced a 4 hour delay in departure. It’s possible that the family didn’t know it was this bad, until it got this bad.
Agreed. Law enforcement, will probably just exacerbate the situation. But in addition, I will add that they should have been traveling with someone that could help facilitate/ease the individual.
@@tanya5322 Exactly. This is what happened with my family. Mum had only been diagnosed with "mild cognitive impairment" that they said my not have been progressive. It was a long boarding delay and then a long haul flight that triggered an episode that led to her dementia diagnosis.
Thank you for sharing this flight.
And they were going to Europe on this flight. Wow!! Bless this crew..
Thank you 😊
@@YouCanSeeATC You are welcome. Continued success.
Oh wow, I was watching Flightradar that night and was wondering why the flight was diverted back to Logan. I listened to Live ATC but the plane just landed, so I didn't hear as to why they diverted. Just heard them request the FD to check their brakes.
Excellent job.....
Nice video:)
GOD bless the people that live in such fear and confusement
But oh, they can be funny! My mother is in a facility with advanced dementia and often eats at the table with 3 other ladies so afflicted. One, named Mary, is so far gone that she barely speaks and wouldn't eat without encouragement. One evening, she wasn't eating, and the other lady says, "Mary! Eat your food or you'll lose your brain!" I nearly choked!!
thanks. great job on the animation and audio.
it seems like these unruly passenger returns are more plentiful or that we just have better publication of these incidents.
A lot of in-flight incapacitation involving crew and passengers, also at sports events involving the athletes and spectators, particularly over the last couple of years, can't think why.
@@robbflynn4325 Alcohol involvement?
@@Andygarrett357 alcohol has been around forever, so nah not that.
@@Andygarrett357 no, the person has dementia.
@@miaone9169 Somebody related to Biden
Amazing!! What the pilotes have to go through because an unruly passenger.
Title change: "Overweight Passenger, Unruly Landing" 😁😁😁😁
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Serve weed edibles before a flight. I bet those violent and disruptive events would not happen. Just have enough food on board.
So worrying as this could be any one of us in the future
It'd be interesting to learn the true cost of something like this.
I would hate to know. It is staggering.
$$$$$$$$$$
daapz
Plus the dangerous situation that the two pilots, crew, and possibly 300 passengers were put in. Flight disruption is not like changing your GPS coordinates on the highway. Changing flight plans, especially overloaded with fuel, can make for a very precarious situation possibly resulting in death and destruction.
At 5:38, ATC said "They should have one waiting from you when you land," not "they said . . . ." Just FYI.
Wow... a lot of work for flight crew and ATC and inconvenience for other passengers just to turn the plane around for an unruly passenger.
It takes one person with an unfortunate metal conditions to stuff up the plane’s schedule for the day and all pax along the way and crew. So,hope the pax in is proper care
Have you got some mental issues that you you are unaware of. 🇬🇧
No audio from turning
Why can't they dump fuel?
Please tell me they called the ambulance with the police
I was wondering why the pilot decided not to dump fuel?
Some planes types are not made to be able to, sos they just fly around for a while.
May be dense, wtf happened at the end?
Great job by the pilots and controllers and of course the attendants. I realize the passenger has dementia and is in deep distress and needs help. I just wonder if this passenger or one that is acting out on the plane and causing a return , If that passenger is ever allowed to fly again? I realize this is not the passengers fault. Just wondering what the policy is on this kind of event.
Someone please explain why you'd return to Boston as opposed to stopping at PWM or BGR; BGR's longest runway is longer than Logan's longest.
At Boston, the other passengers can be accommodated and rescheduled by Delta for their international flight. Those two airports you listed are smaller airports so they don’t have those international routes. The pilots made the right decision to bring the pax back to BOS so they could ultimately reschedule and get on to their destination instead of being stranded in Bangor Maine 😅
Thanks. I was assuming the plane could stop, deplane the bad passenger and carry on. I didn’t think about the limit on crew working hours.
2:12 Center says "sorry for all the questions"
Thank you.
I always have a smile at those apologies. I mean - it's a polite thing to say, but I bet every professional pilot clearly knows that ATC is asking those not out of curiosity or to be naughty but following the procedure.
@@geekytraveler5899 It's ATC's way of saying "I dislike these questions too but I don't wanna get fired lol"
Wow. Thank god you were here to provide the correction. We are all deeply in your debt.
/s obviously
Hindsight is 20-20 right? This can happen with no prior history , etch abuse or dementia dx. While I agree a Valium cocktail would have been the most efficient and cheapest course of action, the law does not permit it. He may have had a panic attack from out of nowhere. The captain calls the shots.
If he had dementia, some moods are (anxiety, loneliness, mood swings, or nervousness,) and A mental disorder characterized by disconnection from reality. And many more soooo… he technically didn’t ruin the flight.
You describe Biden pretty accurately.
He *did* ruin the flight, someone unwell shouldn't be flying. But it's not blameworthy or criminal and as a passenger I'd try to get onto the next flight that night and if not I got a night in Boston I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ shtt happens, planes and people's minds break sometime
@@Andygarrett357 yet you worship a guy who literally wore diapers in office
If I were on a flight delayed for 4 hours, I could see myself becoming unruly, as well.
It's so hard for people with dementia.
The passenger should have had extra meds prior to boarding the plane. I couldn't imagine.
All it took was one person to cause this to happen. Affecting the Tower, ATC, Fire and Rescue, the pilots, the flight attendants and the 100 plus passengers on the flight. People who fly with Dementia should be cleared prior. Especially an international flight over water. My mom has Dementia. She realized early on...no more driving her car and no more flying.
It must have been a very disruptive passenger for them to decide the overweight landing was the lower risk.
Kudos to the controller for giving them the pertinent information from the new ATIS rather than expecting a very busy crew to listen to it themselves - that doesn't always happen.
Considering that this is a widebody used mostly for transoceanic flights, it makes sense to return to BOS rather than risk a long overseas flight with a passenger whose condition most likely will escalate.
@@maxfive2644 There is a middle option - fly in circles for long enough to burn enough fuel to get them under their maximum landing weight. ATC did give them that option and they rejected it in favour of an immediate overweight landing. They must have weighed the options and decided that was the lower risk (overweight landings aren't high risk, but usually disruptive passengers aren't either).
@@thomasdalton1508 unfortunately we don't have the city pairs, but most likely they were fueled up for a long flight. We also have no idea what they were carrying underneath. Burning fuel would likely have taken too long. Don't know why Captain didn't dump fuel. Regarding the passenger, this was more than just a disturbance. This was someone who had already physically attacked either a crew member or another passenger. We're also talking about a potential medical emergency. I don't know why they didn't request a paramedic meet and greet if they suspected a dementia patient. Neither one of us were there though. Generally speaking, it's always safer for everyone to go back to the gate, so that's what they will do if they cannot deescalate a situation.
@@maxfive2644 The maximum takeoff weight won't be much more than the maximum landing weight, so even if they were at their maximum takeoff weight they wouldn't need to hold for long to burn down below their maximum landing weight. Maybe an hour or so. It's quite commonly done. Not all planes have the ability to dump fuel, so their only options are to burn it or land overweight. Landing overweight isn't a big problem - you risk a brake fire, which is why they needed the fire crews standing by, and it increases wear and tear on the aircraft, but the risk to the passengers is low - so they do it when they have to, but it has to be pretty serious.
Overweight landing is not a big deal in the A330-300, only requires a 10 minute inspection following a normal touch down, thats why they never made fuel dumping a requirement for that model.
The skies are not so friendly anymore.................too many people are traveling who shouldn't be and present dangers to the crew and other passengers.
wonder why they couldn't dump fuel?
i think it's an optional feature on some of the a330 models.
Not all aircraft are capable
@@crtkatze2 weird, aren't 333 widebody? I'd expect those to be heavy enough to require fuel dump capability, though that's not just a function of weight i guess.
Anybody know what Delta 258 heavy means
Delta 258 is the flight number and heavy indicates an aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight of 300,000 or more.
@@nancylongworth9617 Thank you. I learned something today.
I'm surprised they say left and right and not compass directions...
If you listen carefully, they are told "left turn to 330" or "right to 270". Sometimes it makes a big difference.
A passenger that creates that much havoc and disruption to the flight needs to be banned from flying. Not fair to the passengers, airline and authorities on what this costs and does to the innocent parties emotions. Unacceptable. If you are ill in any sort, stay off the plane. Simple as the day is long.
Plenty of people are ill in some way and never bother anybody.
Shouldnt we be screening for bonkers ppl before allowing them to be locked inside of a tube thousands of feet in the air with the general public?
Another good use for duct tape.
The pilots are wonderful on the ground and in the sky. thank you. lean on God
I would've liked to know more about the situation that caused the flight to turn around. Usually people with dementia are elderly and possibly on the frail side. An unruly passenger that later became calm isn't a valid reason to turn the plane around. I'm just thinking about the other people on board and their schedules. More detail should have been disclosed.
Hello, thank you for your comment. I would like to know more but unfortunately the audio is all I have.
I can tell you that the flight crew didn’t ultimately know, either. As a flight attendant, I was never allowed to know what happened to ANY PASSENGER we had to return to deplane. It was very frustrating, especially when it was a life or death medical issue.
People with dementia are NOT necessarily frail and unable to fight.
@@splitliving I was more concerned what happened during the flight than the outcome later. It was never disclosed.
How would you know - they might act up again at some point. Better to be safe.
Why are cabin cams not available to the flight deck?
Some of you with sharp ears might have caught that the pilot called in a level 2 disturbance. **EDIT**
they are definitely going back to the airport if at all possible. Also, anyone notice how many times the tower asked if the flight deck door was secure? 🧐
Threat levels and what they mean are very much public information: www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/media/advisory_circular/ac90-103.pdf
@@vegh Thank you for posting!!
What are you talking about? It's literally an advisory circular. It's 90-103
@@vegh well, how about that. I have to go through training every 3 months and this material has always been presented as secured security information. Meaning: not for public eyes. Oh well, thank you for digging that up, though if any of you have read the circular you would know why I'm not thrilled with that being made public. It also makes clear why it was important to return to the gate.
@@maxfive2644 Gotta love the bureaucrats making fake secrets out of things!
Did the passenger have access to alcohol?
Clot shot?
So frankly if no audio then nothing to watch
“We’ll take vectors”. Why is it that most US based airline pilots don’t join hold.
Radar vectors are the easiest way back to the field
The fact that the U.S. has so much radar coverage means it is much easier for controllers to just give radar vectors.
As a US based airline pilot, flying in circles just goes against my principles. It would be like driving my truck in circles to buy time. I'd rather pull over and stop. Since we can't stop the airplane, I'd rather just mozy around the sky and at least feel like I'm getting somewhere.
If I was a pilot I would have waited till I was over the city of Boston and then started dumping fuel on everyone.
No you wouldn't.
Beantown isn't worth wasting valuable jet fuel on.
And you are one sick puppy
What a comment. It was the middle of the night, so would you also light it to see the pretty flames? Would you enjoy hearing about the burn victims?
You must be one of those sick, sick MAGA people who has no shame. I'm tired of all of you.
iluop 36
Only if they could have lit a match to the fuel as it was falling.
so glad I dont ever plan to fly again. why does airport have need for bars?
I guess to kill time.
Money
Imagine ruining a flight for that many people.
Imagine how badly it sucks to have dementia and no family member to tell you you need to not be flying anymore.
Sad and pathetic all around.
Imagine not having any understanding of consciousness so you cannot even understand that you "ruined a flight" let alone where you are LOL. those passengers just get rebooked on the next flight life goes on. diversions and flight cancellations happen in life.
Imagine composing a comment without using the word "imagine".
Maybe the unruly passenger saved all their lives by turning around? (For those David Lynch fans who do time lines..)
@@brianlacroix822 I'd say we r all unconscious to an extent:
- Driving 🚗 while texting.
- Dollar stores unaware they r $1.25 stores.
- Beatles fans waiting for a reunion are unconscious to a few facts..
- Putin is unconscious to other ppl's pain
..And so on. ✌️
Duck tape , tie wraps & gag added to his flying experience - oh & next time take the train , bus or walk
It is scary these days when ATC has to ask the pilots if the flight deck is secure. No one wants a repeat of 9/11.
I don’t understand why the airlines do not sue. These disrupted passengers for the cost of the fuel and the cost of all the personnel would it takes to turn that airbus around. You also should have to pay every passenger $1500 to cover the cost of their airline ticket. Start making these idiots accountable and have these high fees like $100,000. Maybe they’ll just think twice about what they’re doing but our courts will not prosecute these idiots.
This reads more like a medical emergency than a criminal one. The awful thing about dementia is how suddenly the victim’s whole affect can change. Frightened, disoriented people _will_ be unreasonable and possibly violent. And we don’t know why this person was traveling; maybe they were going from one caregiver to another. Probably at the time they boarded the plane, the person was fine.
I doubt your average american would even earn enough to cover the fuel/added maintnance and 1500 dollars to 300 other passengers.
Was #FJB on board???
I imagine that the situation was far beyond just calming the passenger down or even retraining them for a period of time. To turn an aircraft around mid-flight, although physically east, is a decision not taken lightly or quickly. Hopefully this isn’t a negative reflection on the cabin crews abilities.
Wherever would you get the idea this is a negative on the cabin crew? I'm honestly curious.
@@mikeybhoutex - cabin crew are there for safety. They are also responsible for crowd control. I cannot comment on this case or airline in particular but:
1) Is the passenger intoxicated? We’re they drunk getting on the plane or have the CC given them a few too many drinks during the service? CC have a responsibility to monitor passengers and have procedures to deny service.
2) CC are also trained to retrain passengers and have various devices for cuffing them and protocols to follow to ensure they are restrained and do not hurt themselves or others.
If this passenger is having some sort of mental breakdown then this can’t be prevented, but the situation can be easily contained.
@@EdOeuna The passenger was not intoxicated, but a lady what apparently has Sundowning happening. The flight wasn't far enough along to have gotten anyone drunk, and if they were drunk before, they would likely not be onboarded anyway.
As far as the restraining, yes, they are, but some passengers when they are frightened or determined have serious strength.
None of these are indications of why they'd have a negative on them, frankly. If the drunk person got on, that's on the gate. If they somehow had so much to drink that short into the flight, shenanigans of the person are going on.
The crew therefore is not going to be docked or such. Of course I am not their bosses, but I just doubt they're gonna get in trouble.
@@mikeybhoutex - I didn’t say anything about CC getting into trouble. I’ve simply listed methods that CC have for controlling passengers and for recognising problems and taking action.
Must have been getting in the Amsterdam sprit a bit too early
People with knowledge of their serious health issues , are aggressive or crazy should not be allowed to fly!!! They put all the passengers and crew at risk! They just create chaos, waste of time and delays, also financial losses for which they should be held responsible!!
What the hell! They are dumping fuel in the ocean?
No ... did NOT dump any fuel. That's why they were overweight on landing & requested a fire truck.
Fuel is normally dumped over an ocean if possible.
It vaporizes in the atmosphere.
Crew and ATC handled this perfectly. Unfortunately, society is - with increasing frequency - allowing the addled or just run of the mill bat shit crazy to do things such as trans-Atlantic air travel and events such as this one are the too frequent consequences.
Public Service Announcement: If you have someone in your life who is bat shit crazy, KEEP THEM AT HOME!!!! Airliners, crowded events, etc are no place for them. These diversions / in flight turn backs / overweight landings are expensive, stressful, and potentially VERY dangerous if they don't go smoothly. Keep your crazy friends and relatives at home and appropriately medicated.
Couldn't have said it better myself. A frequent fyer before I retired.
Dump fuel.... 👍 Great...over the Atlantic ocean...why don't they give the guy some Valium...call it good.. 😂
Ynot authorize blackjacks to crew? It's much simpler than the alternative.
Sounds like the passenger partied a little to hard heading to Amsterdam. Cheech and Chong movie comes to mind.
Hahahah! They like to smoke weed!
Can't you just duct tape the person down and continue the flight?
"Oh, you're having a seizure"? "Here's some duct tape". 🤔
@@markg.4246 Ah that fact was lost on me. Yeah the turn around was the only option.
@@markg.4246 but they were not. They were disruptive.
No compassion for the unruly passenger from me. I must be different from other people.
Why? Why ruin the flight for everyone else?
Because dementia? Bigger question would be doesn't he have a family member who knows he shouldn't be traveling alone!
@@msjdb723 Maybe he wasn't travelling alone but because his dementia he wouldn't recognise anyone. It's sad story, he maybe needs to travel but now it will be very hard for the family to arrange it. I knew an old lady with dementia, she was the nicest person even she couldn't remember me after five minutes and sometimes she got frustrated and snapped, usually ran away but sometimes she got aggressive, didn't hurt anyone but she could swear like an Arab camel driver and threw a tantrum like a three years old.
In the near future, when high-speed trains take over from planes, getting a problem passenger off will be as simple as stopping at the next station.
It truly will be a great day when you can take a high speed train from Boston to Amsterdam.
@@sforron *grin* Fair point! I guess in the near future we'll be taking the train everywhere except on water. :)
Or, it could be as simple as opening the door...
HSR would indeed be a blessing. Alas, given the USA's current state of rapid decline, there is a greater chance that the Earth will suddenly reverse its rotational direction than of a transcontinental high speed rail line being built. Given that this country can't even be bothered to maintain the obsolete and decrepit rail infrastructure that it now has, the thought of it being able to maintain a sophisticated HSR infrastructure is just laughable.
@@scottevans2685 The US maintains a sophisticated aviation infrastructure, so it has the smarts to do the same for trains, when the switch is made to low-pollution transportation.
Waste of time video. Nothing to see here.
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@@YouCanSeeATC 😍
That's going to result in some jail time or hefty fine.
Sounds like more a stay in a hospital
A person with dementia would not be able to stand trial. Probably won’t be allowed to fly again though
Every thing that happens like this, no matter where it happens. The patients vaccination status should be one of the first things investigated and reported to the public. Too many people continue to get injected with this poison that acts differently in every organ in the body. It's known as of, at least several months ago. But has kept heavily suppressed. That SW Airlines will not allow 2 vaccinated pilots on their flights.
That's TWO ( count 'em - 2 ) misinformed, conspiracy theories in one post. Surprised you didn't throw a UFO, or Bigfoot into the mix.
@@curiousgeorge1940 As part of proper discussion. I'll define "Conspiracy Theory" as a covert plan between two or more people. With help from a Respected Dictionary source. The Oxford English Dictionary defines conspiracy theory as "the theory that an event or phenomenon occurs as a result of a conspiracy between interested parties; spec. a belief that some covert but influential agency (typically political in motivation and oppressive in intent) is responsible for an unexplained event."
Wiki-Zio-Pedia lists the following "definition" of "conspiracy theory."
(That I believe is a true and reliable Lesson #1 about mis/dis-information.)
"To allow the use of the the term as a derogatory and accusatory term to attack anyone who opposes the "official" narrative."
The official narrative that still promotes, to this very day, that "The CDC says it is a totally safe and effective 'vaccine' that prevents the spread of CV19 and significantly depresses the incidence of infection by CV19. And suppresses the serious effects of contracting CV19, including hospitalization and death."
Facts that are currently admitted by the CDC/NIH to be LIES.
The total opposite of the fact that the CV19 injections are not vaccines but are permanent gene therapy that permanently change your DNA forever. And make giving your blood to the UN-jabbed similar to giving AIDS tainted blood to others. I lived through that in medical training in the early to late 1980s. They are a poison that has killed millions, and will continue to kill millions more people for at least ~5+ years. While not preventing the spread of, or contraction of CV19.
More Wiki-Zio-Propaganda-Pedia:
"A conspiracy theory is not simply about a conspiracy, which refers to any covert plan involving two or more people. In contrast, the term "conspiracy theory" refers to hypothesized conspiracies that have specific characteristics. For example, conspiracist beliefs invariably oppose the mainstream consensus among those people who are 'qualified(?)' (who determines who those people are?) to evaluate their accuracy, such as co-opted/blackmailed Scientists or Historians (No s**t, Sherlock. As opposed to people that are self or formally educated and have critical thinking skills like me). Conspiracy theorists see themselves as having privileged access to socially persecuted knowledge (who is persecuting them?) or a stigmatized mode of thought (who stigmatized the Scientific mode of thought?) that separates them from the masses who believe the official account."
Michael Bolton ("I love his whole catalogue", from the movie "Office Space")...oops... I mean Michael Barkun (never heard of him) describes a conspiracy theory as a "template imposed upon the world to give the appearance of order to events".
What a f**king Treasonous Psychopathic Organized Criminal. A "tribe member? Or a "useful Idiot".
That is pure propaganda and a fully tyrannical definition by Treasonous Psychopathic Organized Criminal Domestic Enemies of the Constitution. Primarily composed of a "tribe that wears small hats". And their un-thinking un-questionably order folllwing "useful idiots".
In 1980, I swore an oath about defending the Constitution against Foreign and Domestic Enemies. No expiration date.
Wiki-Zio-Propaganda-pedia again describes:
"Real conspiracies, even very simple ones, are difficult to conceal and routinely experience unexpected problems. In contrast, conspiracy theories suggest that conspiracies are unrealistically successful and that groups of conspirators, such as bureaucracies, can act with near-perfect competence and secrecy. The causes of events or situations are simplified to exclude complex or interacting factors, as well as the role of chance and unintended consequences. Nearly all observations are explained as having been deliberately planned by the alleged conspirators.
In conspiracy theories, the conspirators are usually claimed to be acting with extreme malice. As described by Robert "Bob-Bro" Brotherton: The malevolent intent assumed by most conspiracy theories goes far beyond everyday plots borne out of self-interest, corruption, cruelty, and criminality. The postulated conspirators are not merely people with selfish agendas or differing values. Rather, conspiracy theories postulate a black-and-white world in which good is struggling against evil. The general public is cast as the victim of organised persecution, and the motives of the alleged conspirators often verge on pure maniacal evil (tell me more). At the very least, the conspirators are said to have an almost inhuman disregard for the basic liberty and well-being of the general population. More grandiose conspiracy theories portray the conspirators as being Evil Incarnate: of having caused all the ills from which we suffer, committing abominable acts of unthinkable cruelty on a routine basis, and striving ultimately to subvert or destroy everything we hold dear."
Where are Facts that dispute those assertions? I'll wait (forever). Because there are no such facts.
Can I get a, You Go, Bro.
Thanks "Bob-Bro".
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@@msmeyersmd8 You have assaulted me with such a large barrage of gross ignorance and misinformation, that I cannot possibly respond to it. (Not enough hours in the day) ... but thanks for the long-winded grammar lesson.
@@curiousgeorge1940 If you've ever wondered what you would have done, as German citizen.
When the "holocaust" was going on?
You are answering the question by doing what you are doing.
These are hijacks…charge them with it.
Life in prison. Well alrighty then.
Other passengers and crew should have beat in to a pulp, restrain him, and continue the flight. get him arrested at the planned destination.
This didn't take place at a Magabilly event.