Flaps disagreement. Overweight and high speed landing. United B764 returned to Honolulu. Real ATC

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  • Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
  • THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
    31-JAN-2023. A United Airlines Boeing 767-400 (B764), registration N59053, performing flight UAL362 / UA362 from Honolulu Daniel K. Inouye International Airport, HI (USA) to Newark Liberty International Airport, NY (USA) after departure requested to stop climb at 10000 and decided to stay in the area. Later the crew declared an emergency, requested to dump fuel and reported trailing edge flaps asymmetry. After fuel dumping they reported their intentions to make a high speed and overweight landing.
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    Timestamps:
    00:00 Description of situation
    00:17 Initial climb
    00:44 United 362 requested to stop climb
    01:57 UAL362 is getting instructions to hold over FIX
    04:00 The pilots declared an emergency
    05:51 UAL362 started fuel dumping
    06:31 United 362 contacted Center controller
    10:11 UAL362 finished fuel dumping and ready for approach
    12:15 The pilots contacted Approach controller
    13:01 The pilots contacted Tower controller
    14:01 Landing
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    THE VALUE OF THIS VIDEO:
    THE MAIN VALUE IS EDUCATION. This reconstruction will be useful for actual or future air traffic controllers and pilots, people who plan to connect life with aviation, who like aviation. With help of this video reconstruction you’ll learn how to use radiotelephony rules, Aviation English language and general English language (for people whose native language is not English) in situation in flight, which was shown. THE MAIN REASON I DO THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY EMERGENCY SITUATION, EVERY WORD AND EVERY MOVE OF AIRCRAFT.
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    Source of communications - www.liveatc.net/ (I have a permission (Letter) for commercial use of radio communications from LiveATC.net).
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    Radar screen (In new versions of videos) - Made by author.
    Text version of communication - Made by Author.
    Video editing - Made by author.
    HOW I DO VIDEOS:
    1) I monitor media, airspace, looking for any non-standard, emergency and interesting situation.
    2) I find communications of ATC unit for the period of time I need.
    3) I take only phrases between air traffic controller and selected flight.
    4) I find a flight path of selected aircraft.
    5) I make an animation (early couple of videos don’t have animation) of flight path and aircraft, where the aircraft goes on his route.
    6) When I edit video I put phrases of communications to specific points in video (in tandem with animation).
    7) Together with my comments (voice and text) I edit and make a reconstruction of emergency, non-standard and interesting situation in flight.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 49

  • @thetoecutter13
    @thetoecutter13 Рік тому +19

    If the whole pilot thing doesn't work out he can always be a radio DJ.

  • @MSRTA_Productions
    @MSRTA_Productions Рік тому +16

    Professionalism 100

  • @msjdb723
    @msjdb723 Рік тому +15

    13:18 cleared for takeoff 😁

    • @YouCanSeeATC
      @YouCanSeeATC  Рік тому +5

      🤣

    • @warriormvp
      @warriormvp Рік тому +4

      Sweet Jesus, is there someone else there I can talk to, over?

  • @gerardmoran9560
    @gerardmoran9560 Рік тому +9

    In the Boeing world flap disagree is very different than flap asymmetry. It simply means the flaps haven't moved to the position commanded by the flap handle. Soon after moving to the 75/76 we experienced a "flap disagree" on climb-out after selecting flaps 0 (up). The Captain was experienced and he reached over and thumped the flap handle down into the detent. The fault cleared and we continued the flight. After landing he wrote up the flap handle sensor. Years later, with a new Captain we were climbing out of KPHL in a 75 and after selecting flaps up we had a "flaps disagree" EICAS message. I thumped the handle down and it went out. Again, we continued and concluded the flight uneventfully. We made a similar logbook write-up. I have no knowledge of the cause of this flight's "flaps disagree" EICAS message but I wonder how many flights were discontinued because a sensor was out of rig.

  • @zakm0n
    @zakm0n Рік тому +9

    Wow, didn't need the captions for once.

  • @vbscript2
    @vbscript2 Рік тому +5

    If you're going to have an issue where you have to turn back and cancel your flight, I can't think of a much better one than a flight from Hawaii back to the mainland...

  • @richardgelber2740
    @richardgelber2740 Рік тому +12

    Note that they used 8R for the return, which is the "reef runway" (12,000 feet).

    • @Belchmaster41
      @Belchmaster41 Рік тому

      most of it was at 10k feet, then down to 9k for fuel dumping

  • @starwarzchik112
    @starwarzchik112 Рік тому +29

    Flap 1: “I’m telling you, a tomato is botanically considered a fruit! It has seeds inside a nutrient-dense case!”
    Flap 2: “Okay, then put it in a fruit salad!”
    Captain: “Yeah, we need to head back.”

  • @pamspurgers3578
    @pamspurgers3578 Рік тому +10

    Well done video, as usual. Thanks.

  • @UnshavenStatue
    @UnshavenStatue Рік тому +7

    14:35 I think tower said "gonna chock your wheels", i.e. put the rubber stops on them as a groundside parking brake, which is of course the norm at gates but very unusual for a "routine" brake check after a hot landing. I mean, it's logical, it's just very very unusual for them to actually do that.

    • @mikedeal3466
      @mikedeal3466 Рік тому +6

      They will chock the nose wheel so that the parking brakes can be released. The brakes cool much faster when the parking brake is released. Nobody is going to walk up to the main wheels with hot brakes just incase a fuse plug on a tire lets loose.

    • @UnshavenStatue
      @UnshavenStatue Рік тому +2

      @@mikedeal3466 Like I said, it's totally logical, and also totally rare lol

    • @bobteter4300
      @bobteter4300 Рік тому +1

      @@mikedeal3466 Good point, but I was told it's better , if possible, to keep rolling slowly to prevent the wheel from fusing or welding to the brake assembly. This is of course if the fuse plug hasn't blown already. The thermal camera should be able to catch the temperature as it is rotating. Your thoughts?

    • @mikedeal3466
      @mikedeal3466 Рік тому +1

      @@bobteter4300 My last 24 years flying, I was on the B747-422. I flew SFO-SYD turns for several years. 13 hours into 15.5 hr flight to SYD, ECAM gave us a rev fail warning. We landed with no reversers in SYD on an amber alert. We rolled off the runway and stopped on the taxi way with ARF scanning our very smokey brakes. According to the FLT manual, we had to stay stationary till our brakes cooled to a certain point, then when could be towed, provided we did not use brakes.

    • @bobteter4300
      @bobteter4300 Рік тому

      @@mikedeal3466 Thanks. Sounds like a great career. My "reference" was an old 727 training video by the chief pilot at Northwest. The video, from the 1970s, was to show the increase in landing distance as you tack on extra knots above Vref. They shot the video (movie) in Montana, but I don't remember if it was Billings or Missoula. The last segment of the video was to demonstrate how short a distance the 27 could be put down. I forgot what the distance was, but I remember it was really short. I do remember him commenting on the smoking nose wheel and said "this is probably the only time the nose wheel brakes have ever been engaged". He also made the comment that they kept it moving to prevent the wheels from locking up. It was a long time ago and I don't remember the chief pilots name any longer. Thanks for the response.

  • @hilmarpaschold7512
    @hilmarpaschold7512 Рік тому

    I use 362 from Honolulu, love the non stop aspect of the flight.
    Love the view of Waikiki climbing out.

  • @mikec9883
    @mikec9883 Рік тому

    The same exact aircraft doing the same flight to Newark just diverted back to Honolulu again today

  • @jimmycampos2454
    @jimmycampos2454 Рік тому +1

    Great and incamulated ATC Job !!!!

  • @322kfunk
    @322kfunk Рік тому +1

    dam I didn't know a 767 could fly that far non stop.

  • @crtkatze2
    @crtkatze2 Рік тому +1

    honolulu atc sound so friendly :)

  • @anterix1999
    @anterix1999 Рік тому

    Many pilots have perfect radio voices.

  • @jamesvineyard8406
    @jamesvineyard8406 Рік тому

    That entire sequence of ATC left me... wanting. I get it, trying to be helpful, but some self importance and bad instructions made this aircrews work more difficult.

  • @vladimirfromukraine419
    @vladimirfromukraine419 Рік тому +1

    Holding south-west of ALANA means inbound course 045, doesn't it?

    • @saxmanb777
      @saxmanb777 Рік тому +1

      Roughly.

    • @JohnSmith-zi9or
      @JohnSmith-zi9or Рік тому +1

      "Holding south-west of ALANA means inbound course 045, doesn't it?"
      ATC must give you a point to hold at, the inbound radial to hold on, the side of the fix to hold and which direction of turn.

  • @jonathankleinow2073
    @jonathankleinow2073 Рік тому +3

    "United 362 Heavy, do you have an idea how long... an estimate of how long you'll be dumping fuel?"
    "It'll be about the next 30 minutes, United 362 Heavy. "
    "...You can't give me an estimate for another 30 minutes?"

  • @gmugrumbach
    @gmugrumbach Рік тому +1

    NY Approach they are not! :)

  • @christophermercado5466
    @christophermercado5466 Рік тому

    They sounded like old friends 😅😅😅😅

  • @mosulman7773
    @mosulman7773 Рік тому +2

    As a non-pilot, I have a question: Why do so many pilots and flight controllers often speak so amazingly fast? If I didn’t have the text I’d often have no idea what they said. It must be especially difficult for foreign pilots to understand.

    • @saxmanb777
      @saxmanb777 Рік тому +4

      Because we understand each other and know what to listen for.

  • @theHDRflightdeck
    @theHDRflightdeck Рік тому +1

    This wasn't an overweight landing.

    • @DrChe01
      @DrChe01 4 місяці тому

      Yes it was, the 767 can only dump from the center tanks, not the wing tanks, so you can completely empty the center and still be over weight

  • @MatthewHill
    @MatthewHill Рік тому +3

    I wonder what the EPA thinks about them dumping that much raw fuel straight into the ocean...

    • @loupgarou-dj3tm
      @loupgarou-dj3tm Рік тому +5

      It evaporates long before any reaches the surface.

    • @claudiabazzani6106
      @claudiabazzani6106 Рік тому +1

      Perhaps it evaporates, I hope that. BUT, before I started to watch at Atc emergencies, flying aircrafts mean to me: holidays, trips, adventures. Now my FIRST thought is dumping fuel😅

    • @AEMoreira81
      @AEMoreira81 Рік тому +4

      At that altitude, you can dump fuel and it will evaporate before it reaches the ocean. At least all of the former Continental 767s have fuel dumping.

  • @tillycatcat
    @tillycatcat Рік тому +8

    Flaps Disagreement sounds so very British.
    Hold on old chap, are you at 5 or 15?
    I’m at 15. Have you been eating cucumber sandwiches again? Didn’t you hear the captain?
    How dare you… I would never eat a cucumber sandwich before having my cup of tea…
    Did you say tea? Earl Grey with a splash of milk please.
    Sure but I didn’t bring a kettle with me…
    Can’t take you anywhere old flap… don’t worry we have a stove and I have a pan-pan…

    • @UnshavenStatue
      @UnshavenStatue Рік тому +1

      "disagree" is a common aviation word, even here in the states. "gear disagree" is the most common place to hear it, but it's also common in flaps/slats or even more direct flight controls like aileron, rudder, elevator. or for that matter instrumentation, airspeed disagree was the root cause which brought down the two 737MAXs, not to mention AFR447.

    • @vernonsmithee792
      @vernonsmithee792 Рік тому

      @@UnshavenStatue l'm still in shock that none of the dialogue was delivered in a female voice 😔

    • @ihateusernamesgrrr
      @ihateusernamesgrrr Рік тому

      @@UnshavenStatue It's ok my guy, comedy just isn't for you. It's not fair but not all of us are born with a sense of humour and I'm sorry about that.

  • @zachansen8293
    @zachansen8293 Рік тому +5

    Dumping fuel for 30 minutes :( Makes me sad for like 20 reasons. Yuck.

    • @malahammer
      @malahammer Рік тому +3

      the world has a lot of sky and fuel dumping dissipates and makes up 0.00000000000000000000001% of the sky.

    • @formulaben
      @formulaben Рік тому +3

      Zak, go touch grass. Everything's going to be fine.

    • @knurlgnar24
      @knurlgnar24 Рік тому

      At that altitude it all evaporates anyway and turns into a very tiny portion of a very tiny portion of the natural evaporation of hydrocarbons on this planet. A waste, sure, but this was an emergency. They don't do that unless they have to.