People are hating on Hannah because she's emotionally abusive. Full stop. Nick can suck in his ways too, but Hannah is abusive. It isn't internalized misogyny. She is a shitty person.
I have been in abusive relationship that was both physical, mental and emotional. I could have died from the physical abuse. From my experience, manipulation and gaslighting is the most damaging form of abuse ( i.e. Acting one way around your partner while humiliating and betraying them behind their backs, making them doubt their own reality and denying behavior - everything Nick did.). Over time, it is far worse than physical or verbal abuse. It makes the person doubt their own perspective, and over time can completely destroy a person. It can actually trigger the victim to lash out and look like the bad guy. It also usually involves destroying the person's reputation so everyone blames the victim. I think Hannah has issues beyond this show, but it could have explained why she had so much contempt for him, she knew he wasn't respecting her and was probably very confused with the cognitive dissonance of how he was acting and how he made her feel. Yes, verbal abuse and put downs is harmful, but it's much easier to process as it is obvious abuse, and Hannah isn't hiding or denying it, and can even apologize for it (although begrudgingly). That way it's much easier for the victim to say - this is wrong and not my fault, and not be as easily affected by it. Hannah is just like a little child having a tanti. Where Nick is calculating and dishonest. Btw I don't like either of them, I just think our fundamental misunderstanding of how damaging manipulation can be is a real issue.
Nick is super manipulative and it's working on you too. You're defending a man-child who can't boil water, lives in his basement and talked bad about "the woman he loved" to their mutual friends. That sounds like a very toxic partner to me.
Also about the "internalized misogyny" claim in this video, MOST of Love is Blind's audience IS FEMALE, so OF COURSE, ANY BACKLASH to ANYONE will be MOSTLY FEMALE.
I'm sorry but the 'fame' problem with Nick is such a joke, nearly everyone there went onto the show with the same prospects. Hannah is also one to talk as if she didn't QUIT her job TO come onto the show and then try to be a full-on influencer FROM the fame. Even if these things were true, it is NOT an excuse for the abuse she put him through. I don't even know why this was being entertained at all.
Because he is just the same as she is, only different for the cameras. Why is it so hard for Hannah-haters to recognise Nick's own problematic behaviour as well? I don't like either of them but the misogyny is defeaning.
@@bouncyshak "he is just the same as she is, only different" YEAH AKA HE DIDNT VERBALLY ABUSE HER ON NATIONWIDE TELEVISION. It ISN'T misogyny omfg if he did the same I would criticize that the same, you should join the UFC with that reach
@@dolbie3345 Did you skip the part where I said I don't like Hannah? I haven't defended her. Two people can be problematic at the same time, it's possible. You're spending all this energy defending a guy who can't boil water, lives in his parents' basement and badmouths "the woman he loves" to their mutual friends. The bar is truly in hell yikes.
Hannah is the type of person to say “im just a b*tch” to excuse herself saying terrible things as if it gives her a free pass. Pretending to acknowledge you suck but then continuing to suck does not count as accountability.
They attacked Nick like he was some kind of murderer. They made him a scapegoat. And the real villains teased themselves with some questions and answers. Disgusting Reunion. Marissa and Monica lost a lot in my eyes by defending Hannah so blindly and stupidly.
Ashley and Tyler are both full of it. She knew??? She didnt know in the pods. Bottom line is the fact that he said "that family" and had to be exposed says it all. The fact he has been absent is because he was with ashley. For two people who had absent fathers doing this is inexcusable. Yeah they getting roasted and rightfully so. The internet is the training. " that fanily, with those kids" that will be main event. Those two deserve each other. When HIS kids come for them, they both deserve it...
i don’t like the fact that he is being so chill about it. We are invested because he lied ON THE SHOW & obviously we want answers. It’s wrong DENYING your kids and if he did any research he would see how bad tyler is and how naive ashley is. It’s their life and what she does isn’t our business but if your lying on public television your going to be questioned 😭
Why is it not brought up that Hannah violated Nick's personal items? A journal is like a diary. I would never dream of reading someone's personal thoughts by reading it. She also bashed his looks in a more subtle ways after they met. She is nothing but a bully who cannot handle when it is turned around on her. Marissa has also shown that she has now joined the Mean Girls club with Hannah. I saw her in a different light.
Oh please, when you go to find love on national television you know your are opening up your life to public scrutiny and get ready for the internet sleuths to go pick up your life to the shreds.
I think you really downplayed Hannahs toxic behaviour. You cannot hide behind "i am direct". You are rude and toxic nit direct. You could see the women tried to rehabilitate her image due t her influencing career. Nick is immature and not the sharpest tool in the box but at least he has the brain cells to leave thing out
@@fotisalatas3698 Idk I think it's pretty rude to call your fiance 'the ugly friend'/a grenade to your mutual friend group. But maybe disrespect only offends you when it's overt.
@@bouncyshak i will agree but i do not believe the grenade comment i believe that he called her ugly or underwhelming this is why i say he is an idiot. Hannah was abusive and toxic though!
@@bouncyshak But was it confirmed that he said the grenade comment. Nobody can repeat what Nick said verbatim. Stephen even backtracked on the grenade comment and doesn't even remember the details of what they talked about. The women trying to have him admit to something and then saying we know what you were saying behind the camera but when Nick asked what I said, when I said it, and with whom and nobody from the group can give him a straight answer. Nick even said he never talked to any of the girls so how are they sure he actually said it. We are relying on secondhand information/hearsay from Ramses and Stephen who lied and were dishonest on the show. Stephen can't even keep his story straight with the texting incident, but we are going to believe what he said. Ramses didn't even say what Nick said. Why can't anybody from the group say what he actually said about Hannah? And Nick can be underwhelmed with Hannah's looks because the premise of the show is proving if Love is Blind, both Hannah and Nick were not attracted to each other on the reveal. And I don't even believe Hannah's story to be frank. She has lied and embellished stories on camera to fit her narrative and to appear like a victim. So nope.
I have to say with this reunion my opinion of Ashley completely tanked. What I see now is a woman who is now backing her man in walking out on his responsibilities. It does not matter at all to us as an audience what the situation was then or now is but the children's mother has put it out there that Tyler was fully active in their life until he left for the show, even going as far as saying they discussed them attending the wedding on the show. Instead he has been MIA since leaving and is behind in child support and hasn't been in their lives for a year now. What woman could/should be OK with being married to a man who has ditched a previous family? If I met a man and he told me the "truth" as Ashley says he did I would want to know when our weekends with the children were and how to budget for their support. Why are those children suffering for Tyler and Ashley's new happiness? Just wrong on so many levels. Then as far as the Nick and Hannah situation. As a woman I would say I'd rather Nick made a comment like the grenade thing in private and it never hit the show at all if it were me. She complained about his looks too but did it on air and went on to complain about everything he did other than breath. Even if Nick was only trying to stay on the show he still was respectful to her the entire time and treated her well but nothing he did made her happy at all. Trying to make him look bad now only seems to pile onto how Hannah behaved the entire time which was berating him over and over again. One instance of saying he wasn't happy with her looks does not make him evil and keeping it off camera was the polite thing to do in that situation and obviously Hannah wouldn't know polite if it bit her in the ass.
Exactly! Hannah put her abusive and manipulative ways on blast. Making the list and leaving it out, calling him like a dog when he was doing the ducks, the constant belittling, the lack of accountability and the never ending " I'm more mature Nyeeick" while looking like a 5 year old with their moms jacket.
I think you missed the point on the Nick & Hannah segment. I do agree with you on your points about Nick. But like the reunion it felt like you glossed over Hannah’s behaviour throughout the show. No real accountability or growth since the show ended. Just really seemed she tried to use these things to save face. Even Marissa’s said she make Katie feel bad for a year….highly disappointed that Hannah’s verbal and emotional abuse wasn’t called out. Real shame
Hannah is trying to play the victim after discovering Nick was underwhelmed by her looks, despite her clearly being disappointed over his height (something he can't control) during the reveal. She even teased him about it on the show. So, according to Hannah, she's allowed to make comments and implications about Nick's appearance on camera, but when he makes a single off-camera comment, he's the bad guy. Nick is far from being a saint, but putting him on the spot for the grenade comment is hypocritical.
LIB is a joke. Nick got more heat for being respectful and not calling out all of Hannah's MANY flaws, yet the dead beat father of three gets off scott free? 🤨🤦🏿♀️🤔 And the audacity of Marissa being a lap dog for a bully after admitting that hannah was also mean to her. Even her mother was looking at her like the fool she is.😂
Hannah trying to call out Nick for wanting to be famous on LIB and his grenade comments is rich considering how she herself humiliated Nick for his looks and preferences in the bedroom. The woman has some nerve!!! She berated Nick throughout the show, not to mention the way she was allowed to go at him during the reunion episode. The emotional abuse she meted out to him in front of millions was unbelievable! Also, calling Hannah out for her unacceptable behavior is not hate, it is a reality check.
I'm a woman with ADHD and I while I didn't leave hate comments anywhere, I really don't like Hannah. Nick was an immature idiot, but at least he had enough grace to keep his negative comments and private life off camera. Meanwhile, Hannah had no problem openly being mean to him, putting him down, and criticizing him at every turn. I agree with what she was trying to say most of the time, but she went about voicing her issues with Nick in an uncomfortable and abusive way. Their dynamic was hard to watch. No one deserves to be treated that way and it was also hard to see her barely own up to her own problems, let alone having Marissa defend her while having nothing to say about the asshole that Ramses is. I don't think calling out shitty behavior from women inherently means I have internalized misogyny. Women can and should be held accountable for their behavior like anyone else. It just really rubbed me the wrong way when you said that. Additionally, I do agree 100% with your stance on Ashley and Tyler. I found it wildly inappropriate that people online not only sought out the kids' birth certificates, but also posted them online. Some people really don't have anything better to do with their own lives, I guess.
I also have ADHD, but I completely agree with the point about internalized misogyny. Hannah’s behavior was often mean and immature. But so was Nick’s behavior, as it turns out. I think it’s actually worse to be fake nice to someone when the cameras are around and then make fun of them behind their back. That’s duplicitous and manipulative. I don’t trust a word that man says now. At least Hannah apologized to him. All he did was deny his part in it. She knew he was using her and being fake to make himself look better. That doesn’t excuse all of her rude behavior, but certainly helps explain it.
Nick should’ve clapped back at Hannah and maybe some Home truths about herself, Nick was too worried about what people think of him and that’s the only thing I can Credit for not caring what people think of her. But there is a double standard that women are allowed to drag men on their looks and get men can’t do the same.
Yeah. I didn't like the internalized misogyny comment either. Most of the comments I've seen don't treat Nick like a golden retriever. Whatever Nick said off camera, it sounds like it wasn't great but Hannah's behavior was next level. One of my male relatives was in a relationship with an abusive woman. Hannah is...almost there, from what I've seen. Some people say outright abusive, I wouldn't use that word, but her behavior was not the way you treat people and it was hard to see Marissa support her in deflecting the conversation back on Nick when he already had to listen to all that crap from Hannah that we all saw on camera. And no one except Garrett showed any concern for Nick's side of the experience. Also - men calling out women for internalized misogyny go figure 🙄
Hannah didn't have the greatest things to say about Nick. Hannah is just a disturbing person with strong abuse tendencies. Forget Nick. My concern would be for her children.
Hannah literally said she invited Nick over to see if seexx with him is bad,and some people are still defending her.Hannah is a horribe person.The worst individual on LIB.
Even though I do heavily disagree with how people handled the Tyler and Ashley situation, I do understand when it’s the two of them (particularly Ashley) doubling down and lying on behalf children who are very clearly Tyler’s. I also just find it annoying after the brutal verbal beating that Trevor got that him trying to be famous on the show makes him more irredeemable than abandoning your kids and HIDING THEM (as well as making your mother hide them) before going on the show. There’s no way you can argue that’s honest behavior. That said I think people harassing the families need to let it go. This online culture of trying to force people to split up if the partner is deemed problematic is absolutely insane.
I think my one problem with what Morph said about if Tyler and Ashley say they are happy then that’s that, is how that affects those kids. If Tyler is actually the father of the twins from natural conception, he has a responsibility to them that he is allegedly avoiding. And the custody lawsuit is a matter of public record. I just feel so badly for those kids
Marissa did nothing wrong...MARRISSA DID NOTHING WRONG? She didn't confront Ramses, she just made herself small and let her mom "defend" her...but she ganged up on nick, when clearly Ramses only used her for sex and never loved her. Also, Hannah never defended or confronted Ramses about the way he lead on and abandoned Marissa. Not mysoginistic, but I'm not going to stand on incongruous women's side.
Made herself small and let her mom defend her? Should she have asked her mom to shut up when she was giving very reasonable criticism to Ramses? Why would it be Marisa's fault if Ramses decided to use her for sex? Why should women be at blame for men's transgressions? Have you never felt like it is easier to defend your friend than it is yourself sometimes? People hurt in different ways, and it may be difficult to stand up for yourself like you would a loved one, especially if you've been feeling used. To call someone incongruous for that is unreasonably harsh.
@ no, I’m not a pussy, I can defend myself. Also, no one said anything about shutting her mom up, I’m saying that she should have stood up for herself or else she looks like a hypocrite, no matter how noble you think she is for defending Hannah she still misplaced her anger. That being said, I’m not blaming her for being used, Im stating that what Ramses did is way worse than what Nick did, therefore she should have the balls to confront him. It’s like bullying someone you know is weaker…that’s coward behavior
I don’t want to hear anything about insulting someone’s appearance or clout when Hannah would tease this man about his height and quit her job to be on the show. Quitting her job makes her look even more immature than him. Even if he was rude about not being attracted to her, it would be different if she tried to win him over with her charm, which she didn’t bc she has none. I see this far too often in relationships where someone is dead wrong and should just take the L but tries to latch onto one little moral victory and still throw in one last dig. In this case she’s saying she was at least somewhat right that she was detecting something, but honestly, who cares? She walked into the villain edit, now deal with it. Maybe I am weird, but I don’t get how these people form trusting bonds so quickly when you have to be real, they barely know each other. You’ve seen people go to bat for cast members in the past and end up with egg on their face. Marissa, you do have too much energy
Tyler is full of shit to me if you don’t want the world to know about your kids don’t bring them up. The reason everyone was being Internet sleuth is because you said you were a sperm donor out of nowhere. If they don’t wanna reveal their lives, don’t go on a show like this them lying makes no sense.
Exactly, I don’t agree with this guys take at all. He has 7 evictions, he has over $10k debt he is being sued by ppl for. Also, he cheated on his then fiancé with a married woman to conceive the twin kids. Only 1 was a sperm donation. If he didn’t end up with Ashely(the desperate), we had to protect any other girl from a manipulative hobo
@@therealfish7038this is weird, why do you know all this about him? that’s very very weird. i don’t get how you guys aren’t able to detach for a bit and look from the outside??
I would buy Tyler and Ashley's explanation, except that if he's being "upfront behind the scenes" with Ashley, then he should be doing the same with the mom of his kids. So if the mom felt the need to go online and confront him about the truth, that tells me that he's not giving the same courtesy of honesty to his biological kids and their mom. Also, where is he in their life now?! If he was with them the day before filming but has been ghosting them since then, that is absolutely awful. The kids have lost the connection to their dad and are gonna need serious therapy for this. Nick and Vanessa did a disservice by not pressing further on this line of question, IMO.
I'm so happy to see a channel that goes over this show without being condescending to the people on it. Other channels throw a lot of hate, and it makes sense honestly, but none of them do it in a logically objective way like Morph does.
Yes Nick talking about Hannah to others was wrong. He deserves the way he got treated. BUT the way Hannah brought it up was wrong and she didn't have a cast turn on her. Her insecurity is so toxic. When the hosts asked her about herself, she got so uncomfortable that she had to turn the whole vibe on Nick. Cherie Types did a great video on how her insecurity made her unintentionally abusive to him.
The problem with Stephen “not bowing to the mob” is that he’s still being dishonest in his apology. You can immediately tell he couldn’t be honest about his unfaithfulness, he’s just shouting about how he’s changed and grown. Look at how Monica tried to confront him he immediately folds.
Thank You for Your review 💜 The first one of the Reunion on UA-cam that I completely agree with ! Your inteligente points and entertaining argumentation, as well as Your courage in calling out the toxicity on internet and the blindness of the majority of the commentaries, made this video a real treat, same as Your previous ones.
I agreed on your takes on Ramses but here in terms of Hannah you are actually doing a Ramses imho. You have a narrative about people hating confident women and you ate letting this narrative shape your opinion. Hannah was abusive not confident. She was toxic and rude. She had no manners and yeah I prefer the "fake" Nick than this. All of them are fake Tyler and Ashley literally lied. And i am not talking about hiding the kids. Ashley pretended that she had 2nd thoughts wasn't this for the cameras? All of them want to be famous. Nick is just an idiot who got caught. Till now I have agreed with everything you said but boy this is a bad take....😊
Going this hard for someone who abandoned their children (as confirmed by their mother) is so weird. They made it a subject of the show by discussing it, so enquiring into it is completely reasonable. If you willingly open your personal life to the world, you can't conveniently draw lines when your terrible actions are exposed.
I’m gonna keep my mouth open as that is my right. Lol. My and the majority of people have a problem with the fact that this show puts women in a terrible position. Tyler lied and is still lying. He cheated on his first fiancé with his baby mama and the twins were confirmed to be conceived the old fashioned way. If you are going to put yourself on a reality tv show, this is what comes to you. I completely agree that the children should not have been exposed, But their father did. He is a deadbeat. But. I do agree that they have every right to not delve into things. But Ashley is a bird. And that is her choice lol.
This is the first time I'm watching your videos. Why do you keep calling Vanessa Chrissy? Not sure if I'm missing some sort of inside joke. Also, I don't care if Ashley knew about the kids before or after. The issue for me is that he admits to playing a role as their father and has now abandoned them for the past year. There's not a positive spin for that. The fact that they both seemed okay with this does say something bad about both of them.
The fact they trying to make Nick looks like the vilain it’s making me sick! They ALL goes into this for fame now… since season 4, it’s the only reason so give me a break! I am blunt and direct but not disrespectful. Hannah is a child and a brat
So going through someones personal stuff is just ok? Being abusive is ok? Both Hannah and Marrissa deserve the hate, Hannah is mean and disrespectfull, Marrissa is a coward who cant keep handle her own feeling so she leaches on Hannah hate for Nick. Nick lied about her looks, she said publicly on the show that he is not what she wanted, and the fame is the biggest joke of them all, just use logic and look at the situation. One is employed and after the show continues with his normal life, the other quits her job and after the show goes the full influencer route - so who is trying to be famous here? honestly you had a lot of bad takes in this video
I feel like people are focusing too much on the grenade comment, like if someone told me Hannah seems like a grenade I’d be like yeah I can see it, and move on.
My thoughts after witnessing this astoundingly trashy debacle: Adults choosing to put their lives on display in front of the entire world, especially when supposedly in pursuit of a permanent relationship, can logically expect to have all facets of their lives placed under a microscope. The kind of curiosity that draws viewers won't be easily contained, especially with all the easily accessible information available, regardless of what instructions content creators or contestants attempt to impose on the audience. I got drawn into this crap show this season, due to an affinity for several different reviewers - their styles and intelligent perspectives seemed worth the time...but then the story became Jerry Springer-level disgusting. I am done with this ridiculous franchise, and low key hope it meets the same fate as what occurred during the conclusion of, "Unreal." I will explore some of the reviewers' other content, though, and am grateful for those discoveries. Kinetic can change its name to Stagnation, and rot, IMRHO. Thank you for your presentations. I am about to check out your review of, "The Substance," and I will leave "reality" tv alone. Bless up, everyone. PS: Marissa's mother for president, haha!
18:10 Hannah deserves all the hate. And Marissa too for defending her. It's not internalized misogyny because I'm not hating them for being women. That's dumb. I'm hating because they are just wrong. Hannah has no heart and can't admit fault. No body hates Hannah for being "confident" it's not confidence. In fact she's very insecure. She's rude when she's blunt. I'm blunt too. But I'm respectful, especially to my partner. And I also disagree with leaving hate comments being a bad thing. It's bad if you're constantly harassing them. But to tell them how we feel is not wrong in any way.
"I disagree with leaving hate comments being a bad thing" is a very unhinged thing to say. Take a walk, sit under a tree, think about what you said. Be kinder.
You and people online have no right to go to someone’s personal account and throw hate because you don’t like the way that this person acted on tv. Most of us don’t have to have all our mistakes aired out publicly. You know that this online bullying can lead the su1cide.
Come on Hanna that so much damage tonight it was daily. He took it and took it and never said anything you can’t sit there and tell me Nick was a bad guy. Hannah was abuser. She still an abuser so don’t try to make Nick look bad at all he was bullied by the whole entire staff, and that was totally ridiculous and he can sue them for that
I can see Nick referring to Hanna as a grenade... but I don't think he referred to her looks but to her attitude... Like she explodes like a grenade....
Nah, he was talking about her weight. Her personality is still awful though. It shows so strongly even after she lost the weight. She is gorgeous and insufferable
Hannah, Hannah, Hannah. At least you made a tiny apology...you are lucky Nick didn't come with his own list with all the crap you pulled. I would have loved that! Also, it is quite ironic that it is NOT O.K. if HE makes lists about his goals, but it O.K. for HER to make lists about everything she dislikes about him. I prefer Nick's lists. I really do think they were very lenient with Hannah.
4:22 while I respect what Ashley said regarding who has more insight. Had the mother of those kids not put up a 12 min video and the mother’s ex wife not spoken up either, I would lean more towards believing Tyler. However with what both of them have said being more directly involved in the situation than even Ashley, that means that at the very least those twins naturally born his, and the ex even called into question the oldest son stating the wife and her were going to get a donor, but when she did it, the ex didn’t know it had happened at that point. Which led her to believe there was more there and she left.
@@bbyghostie yeah, and according to the mom, completely wiped he socials of them and cutoff all communication for the past year since he started to participate in the experiment
Also with the nick and Hannah thing you completely glossed over Marissa bullying nicks and jumping on the Hannah train and she even stated “Hannah’s been a bitch to me too” like are you sure you watched the same reunion as the rest of the world? Marisa put on a cape when she should’ve had that energy for Ramses, Marissa shown her true colors - mean girl. And that’s why Ramses probably left her. Wolf in sheep’s clothing
Tyler's issue speaks to a broader societal issue, which is deadbeat dads shirking responsibility and child support. I think you might have a bit of a blind spot as a male if you don't see why it is just as valid to dissect as Ramses' problematic traits.
LIB US is a joke, I’m not gonna watch it anymore. The hosts are awful, no matter which LIB I watch the hosts are mature, kind and give every person a chance to speak and ask them the same kind of questions. At US they always pick the woman’s side and destroy and bully someone else. And I can’t listen anymore to those cheap and sarcastic jokes of them. ITS HORRIFIC. So yes s7 showed me it’s only getting worse with the cast and enabling a bully / narcissistic person (this time Hannah) so I’m boycotting it now. It’s getting ridiculous
I’m so Happy with your feedback on this. The hate is insane. Nobody desaves that. I don’t like Ramses, he focus too much on the intime part of the relationsship. He was not ment for her. You are the best Morph
You buy every fake apology, do you. Sorry but your whole analysis on Hannah and Nick is so off, it’s cringe. It’s not misogynistic to call out a woman, who behaves like Hannah die. Marissa finally showed her true colors and I now understand Ramses better.
Honestly, I don’t blame Nick for not being upfront about his disappointment w/ her looks. Society skewers men that comment on women’s looks/bodies. It’s okay to dog on a man’s looks, but call a woman a 5 (btw that’s avg, nothing wrong w/avg), and it’s hell to pay.
As always, I love your takes. Thank you for calling out Ramses and Nick. I do not understand why every other person I encounter is Nick's biggest defender. I can't even watch commentary on this show anymore because everyone just thinks he is an angel. Hannah does not deserve the hate. Nick was being misleading about who he was, and all she did was call him out on it. Did she need to go that hard the whole time? No. She could have let his actions speak for themselves, but that doesn't mean she was wrong. Meanwhile, no one came for Nick for calling himself like Henry Cavill. Yet the entire internet came after Chelsea last season. It shows how the people who watch this show have a double standard. Also, somehow Leo was the best guy on the show imo. At least he shows the most character growth.
Seriously, I don’t have a problem with any of them going on LIB for Fame. I would do exactly the same thing. It’s a bit hypocritical of Hannah to criticise neck for going on for Fame when she quit her job to go on the show. it’s also been made loud and clear at this reunion that Women can abuse a man and get away with it. But I think we can both agree that Nick went on the show for fame, I think we can agree that both Hannah and Nick suck for different reasons. I was not on the team Nick brigade because I knew Nick was just performing for the cameras and he played everybody.
Couldn't agree more, the hate against Hannah is really unwarranted when looking at how Nick also behaved very poorly and was also deceptive on top of it all. The internalized misogyny is really showing towards her and Marissa for having her back, which is unfortunate because neither of them deserve the hate. I don't think that Taylor moving to DC for Garrett is "true love," that's an incredibly huge sacrifice and means that she will be leaving her family behind, it was so sad to see her parents and know she won't be near them anymore. Didn't Garrett tell her he would be happy to settle in San Diego, now he's going back on what he said? Like cool that he did it for a year, that's not really fair if he expects her to live permanently in DC to cater to him and be close to his family while leaving hers behind. Real love doesn't go back on promises, Garrett also lost cool points when he tried to butt in and stop the conversation about Nick from happening, it's giving toxic "bro code" enabling behavior.
Didn't watch the show, just reviews of it, but I think you nailed Nick. Hannah was blunt and often awful, but Nick was extremely weasely. I'm just glad they're not together, and I feel bad for their next partners if they both don't grow/heal up a bit first.
I really don't get the hate for Marissa. She never said it was right how Hannah treated Nick, she only stood up when Nick lied about the grenade thing, because she knew what he said wasn't true. She did get used by Ramses but how is it her fault that she can't see that (yet)? Seems like victim blaming to me
Oohhhh another installment!! Are you going to be doing the Love is Blind Habibi season as well?? Also, pausing you reading twilight to listen to you talk about love is blind is a very... Unique experience 😆
@Madmorph combined with trash TV.......LIB is my guilty pleasure which I am deeply ashamed of, it's so weirdly refreshing to have the depth, humor, grounded perspective and kindness of Madmorph commenting on something so superficial and exploitative and just enjoying the tea. I appreciate you. - Not sure this is your best audience though.....
Come on Hanna that so much damage tonight it was daily. He took it and took it and never said anything you can’t sit there and tell me Nick was a bad guy. Hannah was abuser. She still an abuser so don’t try to make Nick look bad at all he was bullied by the whole entire staff, and that was totally ridiculous and he can sue them for that. Hannah quit her 9 to 5 job to come on the show and hoping one day be a influencer and they’re talking about Nick wanting to be famous. The whole show. Take me off so much. I got sick in the stomach from how they took it one person and crush team and he said nothing. If I was his mother, I would be there and I would let them have it.
I think when people were asking you to evaluate him, it’s about being unbiased. You shouldn’t not want to do it because of your personal opinion, I believes you should do it because everyone on the cash should be treated equal and you should be allowed to talk about a subject just the same you talk about anybody else’s
How can we think that Marissa’s mom did great here? She claimed she wanted to punch him in the throat. If that was aimed by a man towards a woman we would call the line for abuse. Geeee the double standards !!!
But it wasn't aimed by a man towards a woman. So why the whataboutism? A 5 foot tall mother saying "I wanted to punch him but we had a civil conversation instead" Is never going to be in "equal" measure, as scary, or as inappropriate, as a grown man saying it about a woman. That is quite simply a fact of life. The "double standards" argument is an absolute nonsense.
Are all the reunions like this? Oofa doofa indeed. Thanks for covering this, I haven't watched reality TV voluntarily for YEARS and this got me (INFLUENCED?!?!). I was SO uncomfortable watching the arguments in the full reunion episode, thrilled that Garrett (LIVING KEN DOLL?!) and Taylor were still together and I really liked the way Ashley and Tyler supported each other with their words and comforting touches. I think I'll be joining the camp of "I hate reality TV but love to watch Morph talk about it." All their perceived/real issues aside I do hope the others find some peace of mind and get whatever it was they got on the show looking for to begin with (I don't think it was love). I want season 8 to have a cast that is far uglier, fatter, and more unhinged. Give it to me Netflix!
Honestly, I didn’t really care about the whole Tyler thing, I just hoped Ashley knew about it before she said yes at the alter; and she says she did, so that’s great. However, I think their whole “we were lying to protect the kids” is bull. How does him lying about if the kids know what he looks like or not protect them? Ashely said they decided to talk about it on camera so that there wouldn’t be a disconnect for the audience. Ok- so how hard would it have been for Ashely to have a confessional-style interview where she just said “Tyler told me he has some bio kids but he didn’t want to have the discussion on camera and I respect that”? Literally could’ve just done that, not faked a conversation full of lies
The nick take was trash. hannah saw a note and drew her own conclusions, the girls gossiped about what nick said to their men, and if you really want to take serious "i heard from her that she heard from him said that you said X" serious you need to get it together, nick admited to saying he was underwhelmed..... you know like how hannah did to the camera... lol. If children refuse to actually have conversations over conflict with others instead of making assumptions from reading notes and hearing gossip they are chldren. Nick might be the worst, but children come on lol come up with some adult reasons
@@fotisalatas3698 ramses confirmed the underwhelmed comment, steven the grenade, but can you tell me the way he used that word, what the context was? lol nope. Are you telling me it was okay for Hannah to be underwhelmed and Nick not, Nick shouldn't have been going around talking to everyone about it, but if he wanted to process it with someone thats fine. The truth is Hannah struggled after the show with the hate, Hannah wanted to take Nick down to redeem herself and the girls thought they had a narrative to nail Nick with, but it was all so childish its really sad. If Nick is a terrible person can we get some adults to address it lol
@@TrentYakle agreed. Hannah ia trying to be an influencer and your personal life impacts your business. The girls were trying to rehabilitate her image, thats it
HATE is unjustified in any form. As a viewer I also sometimes form an opinion about some people I see. As in our real life some people like us and some people dislike us but no one knows what is really going on in someone's mind and heart. So please don't use Instagram or another platform to write hate comments.
as much as i feel that people who go on these shows get what’s coming to them, you’ll never find me leaving a hate comment. it’s too much effort and nothing good can possibly come out of it
I disagreed with almost everything said in this video. It’s not internalized misogyny to call out bad behavior. Marissa went after Nick with more energy than she did Ramses who I believe knew he wasn’t going to marry Marissa after the kid talk combined with the thoughts of forever dealing with her mother. She allowed her mother to talk about the hardship she and her mother faced after his choice and allowed her mother to say she wanted to punch him in the throat, only to reveal she was still having sex with the man after everything. Hannah completely dodged accountability by using her friends to dog pile on Nick. She went into his personal belongings after being broke up and no one called her out for that. You give Ramses props for avoiding actually confirming what Nick said, instead he just said take accountability? He didn’t want to break bro code and so he skirted around actually confirming. Give him props, if he said “Nick, you told me that Hannah was a 5 and you called her a grenade. I told Marissa. Own up.” But no he dodged actually backing Marissa fully. Hannah was being calculated by how she brought up his note book and the rumors of what he said, before anyone could actually call her out for her abusive behavior. I personally believe Nick was not happy with her looks and he did what Tyler and Ashley did and avoided talking about it on camera because doing what Hannah did was demeaning and hard to watch. Always making comments about his height and mean comments about his appearance. Nick needed to own what he said and people have pointed out all of Nick’s flaws. His immaturity, lack of financial literacy, his inappropriateness with other women. We can acknowledge Nick’s wrongs and not try to cancel out Hannah’s wrongs with his. That’s what people are mad at.
I don't think is misogyny to call out Marisa for the way she acted, I think it was anger misguided and she should've roasted Ramses instead of Nick. But she's clearly into him so the next available avenue was Hannah's sidekick.
Yeah bro, I think you need to follow-up on this. Your take on Tyler and Ashley is just horrible. Especially with all of the facts that came out from both the mother of Tyler's Children, her Ex Wife and Her mother. All of which have far more insight than Ashley on the situation... You wild for taking such an absolute stance, especially when you admit you don't know all the details that came out.
23:15 This is not necessarily a high point. Women for the most part are always the ones left to make the sacrifices. He promised her ALL season that he would move for her, and in less than a year, he back tracked. This is really sad actually. And even more sad is the fact that LIB often casts men unsuitable for the quality of women they cast. None of these guys were good enough for the women. Funny enough the only one that comes close is Leo.
I liked Tyler on the show , really great guy then... horrified. Then thought something wrong here with the lesbian relationship...then hmmm. Im back to liking him. I think he has "women/mother" issues in that he over loves them. Over compensates and ended up in the middle of two female friends. Over compensated to father the first child. Then genuinely took his role as parent and fell into a relationship with his close friend. friends are often codependant. I think its hard to understand how he thought his story would pan out on TV. Best he said in the pods. But i think hes a genuingly loving guy who gave too much of himself through some kinda outplay of childhood trauma and im glad he found love with Ashley.
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People are hating on Hannah because she's emotionally abusive. Full stop. Nick can suck in his ways too, but Hannah is abusive. It isn't internalized misogyny. She is a shitty person.
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I have been in abusive relationship that was both physical, mental and emotional. I could have died from the physical abuse. From my experience, manipulation and gaslighting is the most damaging form of abuse ( i.e. Acting one way around your partner while humiliating and betraying them behind their backs, making them doubt their own reality and denying behavior - everything Nick did.). Over time, it is far worse than physical or verbal abuse.
It makes the person doubt their own perspective, and over time can completely destroy a person. It can actually trigger the victim to lash out and look like the bad guy. It also usually involves destroying the person's reputation so everyone blames the victim. I think Hannah has issues beyond this show, but it could have explained why she had so much contempt for him, she knew he wasn't respecting her and was probably very confused with the cognitive dissonance of how he was acting and how he made her feel.
Yes, verbal abuse and put downs is harmful, but it's much easier to process as it is obvious abuse, and Hannah isn't hiding or denying it, and can even apologize for it (although begrudgingly). That way it's much easier for the victim to say - this is wrong and not my fault, and not be as easily affected by it. Hannah is just like a little child having a tanti. Where Nick is calculating and dishonest.
Btw I don't like either of them, I just think our fundamental misunderstanding of how damaging manipulation can be is a real issue.
Glass ceilings @bbyghostie
Nick is super manipulative and it's working on you too. You're defending a man-child who can't boil water, lives in his basement and talked bad about "the woman he loved" to their mutual friends. That sounds like a very toxic partner to me.
Also about the "internalized misogyny" claim in this video, MOST of Love is Blind's audience IS FEMALE, so OF COURSE, ANY BACKLASH to ANYONE will be MOSTLY FEMALE.
I'm sorry but the 'fame' problem with Nick is such a joke, nearly everyone there went onto the show with the same prospects. Hannah is also one to talk as if she didn't QUIT her job TO come onto the show and then try to be a full-on influencer FROM the fame. Even if these things were true, it is NOT an excuse for the abuse she put him through. I don't even know why this was being entertained at all.
Because he is just the same as she is, only different for the cameras. Why is it so hard for Hannah-haters to recognise Nick's own problematic behaviour as well? I don't like either of them but the misogyny is defeaning.
Nick sucks. He absolutely needs to grow up.
Hannah IS a grenade! She IS a bih. He should have dragged her all the way to hell when he had the chance.
@@bouncyshak "he is just the same as she is, only different" YEAH AKA HE DIDNT VERBALLY ABUSE HER ON NATIONWIDE TELEVISION. It ISN'T misogyny omfg if he did the same I would criticize that the same, you should join the UFC with that reach
@@bouncyshak also, ik its u hannah on an alt lol drop the act and stop liking your own comments
@@dolbie3345 Did you skip the part where I said I don't like Hannah? I haven't defended her. Two people can be problematic at the same time, it's possible. You're spending all this energy defending a guy who can't boil water, lives in his parents' basement and badmouths "the woman he loves" to their mutual friends. The bar is truly in hell yikes.
Hannah is the type of person to say “im just a b*tch” to excuse herself saying terrible things as if it gives her a free pass. Pretending to acknowledge you suck but then continuing to suck does not count as accountability.
They attacked Nick like he was some kind of murderer. They made him a scapegoat. And the real villains teased themselves with some questions and answers. Disgusting Reunion. Marissa and Monica lost a lot in my eyes by defending Hannah so blindly and stupidly.
It wasn’t that bad compared to season 3 reunion, but it’s clear that neither Hannah and Nick are on good terms.
He is manipulative and deserved to be called out.
Maybe Hannah is slotted for Perfect Match, and that's why they went easier on her and harder on Nick?
nah Nick is far from innocent, he needed to be called out.
Ashley and Tyler are both full of it. She knew??? She didnt know in the pods. Bottom line is the fact that he said "that family" and had to be exposed says it all. The fact he has been absent is because he was with ashley. For two people who had absent fathers doing this is inexcusable. Yeah they getting roasted and rightfully so. The internet is the training. " that fanily, with those kids" that will be main event. Those two deserve each other. When HIS kids come for them, they both deserve it...
Agreed. I thought him referring to them as "those kids," was particularly harsh. Poor kids, they're innocent, they don't deserve to be disowned.
i don’t like the fact that he is being so chill about it. We are invested because he lied ON THE SHOW & obviously we want answers. It’s wrong DENYING your kids and if he did any research he would see how bad tyler is and how naive ashley is. It’s their life and what she does isn’t our business but if your lying on public television your going to be questioned 😭
Why is it not brought up that Hannah violated Nick's personal items? A journal is like a diary. I would never dream of reading someone's personal thoughts by reading it. She also bashed his looks in a more subtle ways after they met. She is nothing but a bully who cannot handle when it is turned around on her. Marissa has also shown that she has now joined the Mean Girls club with Hannah. I saw her in a different light.
Oh please, when you go to find love on national television you know your are opening up your life to public scrutiny and get ready for the internet sleuths to go pick up your life to the shreds.
I think you really downplayed Hannahs toxic behaviour. You cannot hide behind "i am direct". You are rude and toxic nit direct. You could see the women tried to rehabilitate her image due t her influencing career. Nick is immature and not the sharpest tool in the box but at least he has the brain cells to leave thing out
Nick was also rude and toxic, in different ways.
@bouncyshak i think Nick is just an idiot and immature but I would not call him toxic or ryde
@@fotisalatas3698 Idk I think it's pretty rude to call your fiance 'the ugly friend'/a grenade to your mutual friend group. But maybe disrespect only offends you when it's overt.
@@bouncyshak i will agree but i do not believe the grenade comment i believe that he called her ugly or underwhelming this is why i say he is an idiot. Hannah was abusive and toxic though!
@@bouncyshak But was it confirmed that he said the grenade comment. Nobody can repeat what Nick said verbatim. Stephen even backtracked on the grenade comment and doesn't even remember the details of what they talked about. The women trying to have him admit to something and then saying we know what you were saying behind the camera but when Nick asked what I said, when I said it, and with whom and nobody from the group can give him a straight answer. Nick even said he never talked to any of the girls so how are they sure he actually said it. We are relying on secondhand information/hearsay from Ramses and Stephen who lied and were dishonest on the show. Stephen can't even keep his story straight with the texting incident, but we are going to believe what he said. Ramses didn't even say what Nick said. Why can't anybody from the group say what he actually said about Hannah? And Nick can be underwhelmed with Hannah's looks because the premise of the show is proving if Love is Blind, both Hannah and Nick were not attracted to each other on the reveal. And I don't even believe Hannah's story to be frank. She has lied and embellished stories on camera to fit her narrative and to appear like a victim. So nope.
I have to say with this reunion my opinion of Ashley completely tanked. What I see now is a woman who is now backing her man in walking out on his responsibilities. It does not matter at all to us as an audience what the situation was then or now is but the children's mother has put it out there that Tyler was fully active in their life until he left for the show, even going as far as saying they discussed them attending the wedding on the show. Instead he has been MIA since leaving and is behind in child support and hasn't been in their lives for a year now. What woman could/should be OK with being married to a man who has ditched a previous family? If I met a man and he told me the "truth" as Ashley says he did I would want to know when our weekends with the children were and how to budget for their support. Why are those children suffering for Tyler and Ashley's new happiness? Just wrong on so many levels.
Then as far as the Nick and Hannah situation. As a woman I would say I'd rather Nick made a comment like the grenade thing in private and it never hit the show at all if it were me. She complained about his looks too but did it on air and went on to complain about everything he did other than breath. Even if Nick was only trying to stay on the show he still was respectful to her the entire time and treated her well but nothing he did made her happy at all. Trying to make him look bad now only seems to pile onto how Hannah behaved the entire time which was berating him over and over again. One instance of saying he wasn't happy with her looks does not make him evil and keeping it off camera was the polite thing to do in that situation and obviously Hannah wouldn't know polite if it bit her in the ass.
Exactly! Hannah put her abusive and manipulative ways on blast.
Making the list and leaving it out, calling him like a dog when he was doing the ducks, the constant belittling, the lack of accountability and the never ending " I'm more mature Nyeeick" while looking like a 5 year old with their moms jacket.
I didn’t care for the Tyler drama. It was a mere sideshow compared to Hannah’s drama.
I think you missed the point on the Nick & Hannah segment. I do agree with you on your points about Nick. But like the reunion it felt like you glossed over Hannah’s behaviour throughout the show. No real accountability or growth since the show ended. Just really seemed she tried to use these things to save face. Even Marissa’s said she make Katie feel bad for a year….highly disappointed that Hannah’s verbal and emotional abuse wasn’t called out. Real shame
Hannah is trying to play the victim after discovering Nick was underwhelmed by her looks, despite her clearly being disappointed over his height (something he can't control) during the reveal. She even teased him about it on the show. So, according to Hannah, she's allowed to make comments and implications about Nick's appearance on camera, but when he makes a single off-camera comment, he's the bad guy. Nick is far from being a saint, but putting him on the spot for the grenade comment is hypocritical.
LIB is a joke.
Nick got more heat for being respectful and not calling out all of Hannah's MANY flaws, yet the dead beat father of three gets off scott free? 🤨🤦🏿♀️🤔
And the audacity of Marissa being a lap dog for a bully after admitting that hannah was also mean to her.
Even her mother was looking at her like the fool she is.😂
Can’t stand Hannah dabbing her nonexistent tears away to bring up nick liking hate comments about her.
Hannah trying to call out Nick for wanting to be famous on LIB and his grenade comments is rich considering how she herself humiliated Nick for his looks and preferences in the bedroom. The woman has some nerve!!! She berated Nick throughout the show, not to mention the way she was allowed to go at him during the reunion episode. The emotional abuse she meted out to him in front of millions was unbelievable! Also, calling Hannah out for her unacceptable behavior is not hate, it is a reality check.
I'm a woman with ADHD and I while I didn't leave hate comments anywhere, I really don't like Hannah. Nick was an immature idiot, but at least he had enough grace to keep his negative comments and private life off camera. Meanwhile, Hannah had no problem openly being mean to him, putting him down, and criticizing him at every turn. I agree with what she was trying to say most of the time, but she went about voicing her issues with Nick in an uncomfortable and abusive way. Their dynamic was hard to watch. No one deserves to be treated that way and it was also hard to see her barely own up to her own problems, let alone having Marissa defend her while having nothing to say about the asshole that Ramses is. I don't think calling out shitty behavior from women inherently means I have internalized misogyny. Women can and should be held accountable for their behavior like anyone else. It just really rubbed me the wrong way when you said that. Additionally, I do agree 100% with your stance on Ashley and Tyler. I found it wildly inappropriate that people online not only sought out the kids' birth certificates, but also posted them online. Some people really don't have anything better to do with their own lives, I guess.
In true ADHD fashion, I apologize for how long this comment unintentionally ended up being haha
I also have ADHD, but I completely agree with the point about internalized misogyny. Hannah’s behavior was often mean and immature. But so was Nick’s behavior, as it turns out. I think it’s actually worse to be fake nice to someone when the cameras are around and then make fun of them behind their back. That’s duplicitous and manipulative. I don’t trust a word that man says now.
At least Hannah apologized to him. All he did was deny his part in it. She knew he was using her and being fake to make himself look better. That doesn’t excuse all of her rude behavior, but certainly helps explain it.
Nick should’ve clapped back at Hannah and maybe some Home truths about herself, Nick was too worried about what people think of him and that’s the only thing I can Credit for not caring what people think of her. But there is a double standard that women are allowed to drag men on their looks and get men can’t do the same.
Yeah. I didn't like the internalized misogyny comment either. Most of the comments I've seen don't treat Nick like a golden retriever. Whatever Nick said off camera, it sounds like it wasn't great but Hannah's behavior was next level. One of my male relatives was in a relationship with an abusive woman. Hannah is...almost there, from what I've seen. Some people say outright abusive, I wouldn't use that word, but her behavior was not the way you treat people and it was hard to see Marissa support her in deflecting the conversation back on Nick when he already had to listen to all that crap from Hannah that we all saw on camera. And no one except Garrett showed any concern for Nick's side of the experience. Also - men calling out women for internalized misogyny go figure 🙄
How does the ADHD play into this?
Hannah didn't have the greatest things to say about Nick. Hannah is just a disturbing person with strong abuse tendencies. Forget Nick. My concern would be for her children.
Hannah literally said she invited Nick over to see if seexx with him is bad,and some people are still defending her.Hannah is a horribe person.The worst individual on LIB.
Even though I do heavily disagree with how people handled the Tyler and Ashley situation, I do understand when it’s the two of them (particularly Ashley) doubling down and lying on behalf children who are very clearly Tyler’s.
I also just find it annoying after the brutal verbal beating that Trevor got that him trying to be famous on the show makes him more irredeemable than abandoning your kids and HIDING THEM (as well as making your mother hide them) before going on the show. There’s no way you can argue that’s honest behavior.
That said I think people harassing the families need to let it go. This online culture of trying to force people to split up if the partner is deemed problematic is absolutely insane.
I think my one problem with what Morph said about if Tyler and Ashley say they are happy then that’s that, is how that affects those kids. If Tyler is actually the father of the twins from natural conception, he has a responsibility to them that he is allegedly avoiding. And the custody lawsuit is a matter of public record. I just feel so badly for those kids
@@Laura_5757 I completely agree with you. Honestly pretty disappointed by his response.
Marissa did nothing wrong...MARRISSA DID NOTHING WRONG? She didn't confront Ramses, she just made herself small and let her mom "defend" her...but she ganged up on nick, when clearly Ramses only used her for sex and never loved her. Also, Hannah never defended or confronted Ramses about the way he lead on and abandoned Marissa. Not mysoginistic, but I'm not going to stand on incongruous women's side.
Spot on!!!
Made herself small and let her mom defend her? Should she have asked her mom to shut up when she was giving very reasonable criticism to Ramses? Why would it be Marisa's fault if Ramses decided to use her for sex? Why should women be at blame for men's transgressions? Have you never felt like it is easier to defend your friend than it is yourself sometimes? People hurt in different ways, and it may be difficult to stand up for yourself like you would a loved one, especially if you've been feeling used. To call someone incongruous for that is unreasonably harsh.
@ no, I’m not a pussy, I can defend myself. Also, no one said anything about shutting her mom up, I’m saying that she should have stood up for herself or else she looks like a hypocrite, no matter how noble you think she is for defending Hannah she still misplaced her anger. That being said, I’m not blaming her for being used, Im stating that what Ramses did is way worse than what Nick did, therefore she should have the balls to confront him. It’s like bullying someone you know is weaker…that’s coward behavior
@@mad_blood4 Especially because 'incongruous' doesn't even make sense in that context lol.
Marissa said Nick and Hannah were both wrong. Nick is a grown man, he wasn't "ganged up on" for having his fake behaviour exposed, good grief.
I don’t want to hear anything about insulting someone’s appearance or clout when Hannah would tease this man about his height and quit her job to be on the show. Quitting her job makes her look even more immature than him. Even if he was rude about not being attracted to her, it would be different if she tried to win him over with her charm, which she didn’t bc she has none.
I see this far too often in relationships where someone is dead wrong and should just take the L but tries to latch onto one little moral victory and still throw in one last dig. In this case she’s saying she was at least somewhat right that she was detecting something, but honestly, who cares? She walked into the villain edit, now deal with it.
Maybe I am weird, but I don’t get how these people form trusting bonds so quickly when you have to be real, they barely know each other. You’ve seen people go to bat for cast members in the past and end up with egg on their face. Marissa, you do have too much energy
Tyler is full of shit to me if you don’t want the world to know about your kids don’t bring them up. The reason everyone was being Internet sleuth is because you said you were a sperm donor out of nowhere. If they don’t wanna reveal their lives, don’t go on a show like this them lying makes no sense.
Exactly, I don’t agree with this guys take at all. He has 7 evictions, he has over $10k debt he is being sued by ppl for. Also, he cheated on his then fiancé with a married woman to conceive the twin kids. Only 1 was a sperm donation. If he didn’t end up with Ashely(the desperate), we had to protect any other girl from a manipulative hobo
@@therealfish7038‼️‼️‼️
Like how can he say this isn’t our business when they made it our business get out of here Tyler is trashhhh
@@therealfish7038this is weird, why do you know all this about him? that’s very very weird. i don’t get how you guys aren’t able to detach for a bit and look from the outside??
@@therealfish7038holy parasocial.
I would buy Tyler and Ashley's explanation, except that if he's being "upfront behind the scenes" with Ashley, then he should be doing the same with the mom of his kids. So if the mom felt the need to go online and confront him about the truth, that tells me that he's not giving the same courtesy of honesty to his biological kids and their mom. Also, where is he in their life now?! If he was with them the day before filming but has been ghosting them since then, that is absolutely awful. The kids have lost the connection to their dad and are gonna need serious therapy for this. Nick and Vanessa did a disservice by not pressing further on this line of question, IMO.
Lol you kept calling Vanessa Lachey Chrissy Tiegan 😂
Lets pretend this was an in-joke between friends, and not me literally forgetting who Vanessa is for a second
I had to rewind that because I was like, who is he talking about?
@@annietym I was looking for this comment
Def missed the mark with the Hannah and Nick segment.
I'm so happy to see a channel that goes over this show without being condescending to the people on it. Other channels throw a lot of hate, and it makes sense honestly, but none of them do it in a logically objective way like Morph does.
Yes Nick talking about Hannah to others was wrong. He deserves the way he got treated. BUT the way Hannah brought it up was wrong and she didn't have a cast turn on her. Her insecurity is so toxic. When the hosts asked her about herself, she got so uncomfortable that she had to turn the whole vibe on Nick. Cherie Types did a great video on how her insecurity made her unintentionally abusive to him.
The problem with Stephen “not bowing to the mob” is that he’s still being dishonest in his apology. You can immediately tell he couldn’t be honest about his unfaithfulness, he’s just shouting about how he’s changed and grown. Look at how Monica tried to confront him he immediately folds.
Thank You for Your review 💜 The first one of the Reunion on UA-cam that I completely agree with !
Your inteligente points and entertaining argumentation, as well as Your courage in calling out the toxicity on internet and the blindness of the majority of the commentaries, made this video a real treat, same as Your previous ones.
All the women who relationships was trash was the only ones going in on Nick.
Yeah except Garrett promised he'd move to San Diego for Taylor...
I agreed on your takes on Ramses but here in terms of Hannah you are actually doing a Ramses imho. You have a narrative about people hating confident women and you ate letting this narrative shape your opinion. Hannah was abusive not confident. She was toxic and rude. She had no manners and yeah I prefer the "fake" Nick than this. All of them are fake Tyler and Ashley literally lied. And i am not talking about hiding the kids. Ashley pretended that she had 2nd thoughts wasn't this for the cameras? All of them want to be famous. Nick is just an idiot who got caught. Till now I have agreed with everything you said but boy this is a bad take....😊
Ramsey’s looks like Jafaar and a whole ass giraffe had a premature child.
Going this hard for someone who abandoned their children (as confirmed by their mother) is so weird. They made it a subject of the show by discussing it, so enquiring into it is completely reasonable. If you willingly open your personal life to the world, you can't conveniently draw lines when your terrible actions are exposed.
14:48 The comment about Ramses sitting there like a kid who's secretly trying to watch TV .. OMG, I can't 🤣
I’m gonna keep my mouth open as that is my right. Lol. My and the majority of people have a problem with the fact that this show puts women in a terrible position. Tyler lied and is still lying. He cheated on his first fiancé with his baby mama and the twins were confirmed to be conceived the old fashioned way. If you are going to put yourself on a reality tv show, this is what comes to you. I completely agree that the children should not have been exposed,
But their father did. He is a deadbeat. But. I do agree that they have every right to not delve into things. But Ashley is a bird. And that is her choice lol.
Actually I think had he just been honest about having kids, people wouldn’t have even looked into it.
I wish you would've talked more about the faces of Marshall and AD😂
They were amazing, invite them every year
This is the first time I'm watching your videos. Why do you keep calling Vanessa Chrissy? Not sure if I'm missing some sort of inside joke. Also, I don't care if Ashley knew about the kids before or after. The issue for me is that he admits to playing a role as their father and has now abandoned them for the past year. There's not a positive spin for that. The fact that they both seemed okay with this does say something bad about both of them.
The reason Nick's mistakes were overlooked is because Hannah overshadows all of it, she just makes him look good compared to her.
Are you a Tyler PR firm? 🙄 These two chose to go on a reality tv show with Ashley saying they may *never* talk to those kids
The fact they trying to make Nick looks like the vilain it’s making me sick! They ALL goes into this for fame now… since season 4, it’s the only reason so give me a break! I am blunt and direct but not disrespectful. Hannah is a child and a brat
So going through someones personal stuff is just ok? Being abusive is ok? Both Hannah and Marrissa deserve the hate, Hannah is mean and disrespectfull, Marrissa is a coward who cant keep handle her own feeling so she leaches on Hannah hate for Nick. Nick lied about her looks, she said publicly on the show that he is not what she wanted, and the fame is the biggest joke of them all, just use logic and look at the situation. One is employed and after the show continues with his normal life, the other quits her job and after the show goes the full influencer route - so who is trying to be famous here?
honestly you had a lot of bad takes in this video
I feel like people are focusing too much on the grenade comment, like if someone told me Hannah seems like a grenade I’d be like yeah I can see it, and move on.
My thoughts after witnessing this astoundingly trashy debacle: Adults choosing to put their lives on display in front of the entire world, especially when supposedly in pursuit of a permanent relationship, can logically expect to have all facets of their lives placed under a microscope. The kind of curiosity that draws viewers won't be easily contained, especially with all the easily accessible information available, regardless of what instructions content creators or contestants attempt to impose on the audience. I got drawn into this crap show this season, due to an affinity for several different reviewers - their styles and intelligent perspectives seemed worth the time...but then the story became Jerry Springer-level disgusting. I am done with this ridiculous franchise, and low key hope it meets the same fate as what occurred during the conclusion of, "Unreal." I will explore some of the reviewers' other content, though, and am grateful for those discoveries. Kinetic can change its name to Stagnation, and rot, IMRHO. Thank you for your presentations. I am about to check out your review of, "The Substance," and I will leave "reality" tv alone. Bless up, everyone.
PS: Marissa's mother for president, haha!
If you can somehow defend how Marissa, Hanna, and some of the other bitter women on the panel acted on the reunion and the show you're a misandrist.
"I thought he was a serial killer until I realized he was neurodivergent" just described every perception of neurodivergence to typical people.
You're so sassy in your movie club, i love it
18:10 Hannah deserves all the hate. And Marissa too for defending her. It's not internalized misogyny because I'm not hating them for being women. That's dumb. I'm hating because they are just wrong. Hannah has no heart and can't admit fault. No body hates Hannah for being "confident" it's not confidence. In fact she's very insecure. She's rude when she's blunt. I'm blunt too. But I'm respectful, especially to my partner. And I also disagree with leaving hate comments being a bad thing. It's bad if you're constantly harassing them. But to tell them how we feel is not wrong in any way.
"I disagree with leaving hate comments being a bad thing" is a very unhinged thing to say.
Take a walk, sit under a tree, think about what you said. Be kinder.
@MadMorphMovieClub the fuck? You're telling me I can't tell someone they suck when they really do? Why should I be silenced?
@@MadMorphMovieClub is as unhinged as saying "I'm just direct" and then proceed to abuse a person on international TV.
@@MadMorphMovieClubthe person that needs to be kinder is Hannah lol
You and people online have no right to go to someone’s personal account and throw hate because you don’t like the way that this person acted on tv. Most of us don’t have to have all our mistakes aired out publicly. You know that this online bullying can lead the su1cide.
Come on Hanna that so much damage tonight it was daily. He took it and took it and never said anything you can’t sit there and tell me Nick was a bad guy. Hannah was abuser. She still an abuser so don’t try to make Nick look bad at all he was bullied by the whole entire staff, and that was totally ridiculous and he can sue them for that
Hannah is still a narcissist in my opinion, but I agree leaving hate comments on her personal socials is fucked up.
I can see Nick referring to Hanna as a grenade... but I don't think he referred to her looks but to her attitude...
Like she explodes like a grenade....
Nah, he was talking about her weight. Her personality is still awful though. It shows so strongly even after she lost the weight. She is gorgeous and insufferable
It means the ugly girl in a pretty group of friends. It's a VERY vile thing to say,
I guess Ramsey is finally a Jedi Knight, since he cut off his padawan locks 😂
I just started the video and ALREADY shade on the hosts!!! 😂😂😂 I love it!!!
Why do you keep calling Vanessa chrissy?
Hannah, Hannah, Hannah. At least you made a tiny apology...you are lucky Nick didn't come with his own list with all the crap you pulled. I would have loved that! Also, it is quite ironic that it is NOT O.K. if HE makes lists about his goals, but it O.K. for HER to make lists about everything she dislikes about him. I prefer Nick's lists. I really do think they were very lenient with Hannah.
Such a well stated summary, thanks. Just one point I noticed of Nick, he did not include " finding his wife" in that list?
4:22 while I respect what Ashley said regarding who has more insight. Had the mother of those kids not put up a 12 min video and the mother’s ex wife not spoken up either, I would lean more towards believing Tyler.
However with what both of them have said being more directly involved in the situation than even Ashley, that means that at the very least those twins naturally born his, and the ex even called into question the oldest son stating the wife and her were going to get a donor, but when she did it, the ex didn’t know it had happened at that point. Which led her to believe there was more there and she left.
Add to that the fact that Tyler left for the show and abandoned his kids
@@bbyghostie yeah, and according to the mom, completely wiped he socials of them and cutoff all communication for the past year since he started to participate in the experiment
If they’ve commingled finances , she could be on the hook for his 30k in child support and the money he owes for his multiple evictions.
@@tabkaliO that’s wild!
Also with the nick and Hannah thing you completely glossed over Marissa bullying nicks and jumping on the Hannah train and she even stated “Hannah’s been a bitch to me too” like are you sure you watched the same reunion as the rest of the world? Marisa put on a cape when she should’ve had that energy for Ramses, Marissa shown her true colors - mean girl. And that’s why Ramses probably left her. Wolf in sheep’s clothing
The only hate I’m gonna give is that you don’t make enough videos like this. I need one per day. Books, classics, famous movies, you name it.
Tyler's issue speaks to a broader societal issue, which is deadbeat dads shirking responsibility and child support. I think you might have a bit of a blind spot as a male if you don't see why it is just as valid to dissect as Ramses' problematic traits.
LIB US is a joke, I’m not gonna watch it anymore. The hosts are awful, no matter which LIB I watch the hosts are mature, kind and give every person a chance to speak and ask them the same kind of questions. At US they always pick the woman’s side and destroy and bully someone else. And I can’t listen anymore to those cheap and sarcastic jokes of them. ITS HORRIFIC. So yes s7 showed me it’s only getting worse with the cast and enabling a bully / narcissistic person (this time Hannah) so I’m boycotting it now. It’s getting ridiculous
I’m so Happy with your feedback on this. The hate is insane. Nobody desaves that. I don’t like Ramses, he focus too much on the intime part of the relationsship. He was not ment for her. You are the best Morph
You buy every fake apology, do you. Sorry but your whole analysis on Hannah and Nick is so off, it’s cringe. It’s not misogynistic to call out a woman, who behaves like Hannah die. Marissa finally showed her true colors and I now understand Ramses better.
Marissa is a person who is attracted to toxic people first Ramses then Hannah. She craves approval sadly.
@@fotisalatas3698she has ADHD and he couldn’t handle it.
@@fotisalatas3698 Agreed!
Honestly, I don’t blame Nick for not being upfront about his disappointment w/ her looks. Society skewers men that comment on women’s looks/bodies. It’s okay to dog on a man’s looks, but call a woman a 5 (btw that’s avg, nothing wrong w/avg), and it’s hell to pay.
There are no villains, there are no heroes, these people are just people, stop caring so much.
As always, I love your takes. Thank you for calling out Ramses and Nick. I do not understand why every other person I encounter is Nick's biggest defender. I can't even watch commentary on this show anymore because everyone just thinks he is an angel. Hannah does not deserve the hate. Nick was being misleading about who he was, and all she did was call him out on it. Did she need to go that hard the whole time? No. She could have let his actions speak for themselves, but that doesn't mean she was wrong. Meanwhile, no one came for Nick for calling himself like Henry Cavill. Yet the entire internet came after Chelsea last season. It shows how the people who watch this show have a double standard. Also, somehow Leo was the best guy on the show imo. At least he shows the most character growth.
Except for calling women "food with feelings", yes.
Not the beetle juice pants @6:30 omg 😂😂😂😂😂 morph the shade is- you could be a forest today! Thank you for doing this video! 💖💖💅🏾
Seriously, I don’t have a problem with any of them going on LIB for Fame. I would do exactly the same thing. It’s a bit hypocritical of Hannah to criticise neck for going on for Fame when she quit her job to go on the show. it’s also been made loud and clear at this reunion that Women can abuse a man and get away with it. But I think we can both agree that Nick went on the show for fame, I think we can agree that both Hannah and Nick suck for different reasons. I was not on the team Nick brigade because I knew Nick was just performing for the cameras and he played everybody.
Couldn't agree more, the hate against Hannah is really unwarranted when looking at how Nick also behaved very poorly and was also deceptive on top of it all. The internalized misogyny is really showing towards her and Marissa for having her back, which is unfortunate because neither of them deserve the hate. I don't think that Taylor moving to DC for Garrett is "true love," that's an incredibly huge sacrifice and means that she will be leaving her family behind, it was so sad to see her parents and know she won't be near them anymore. Didn't Garrett tell her he would be happy to settle in San Diego, now he's going back on what he said? Like cool that he did it for a year, that's not really fair if he expects her to live permanently in DC to cater to him and be close to his family while leaving hers behind. Real love doesn't go back on promises, Garrett also lost cool points when he tried to butt in and stop the conversation about Nick from happening, it's giving toxic "bro code" enabling behavior.
Didn't watch the show, just reviews of it, but I think you nailed Nick. Hannah was blunt and often awful, but Nick was extremely weasely. I'm just glad they're not together, and I feel bad for their next partners if they both don't grow/heal up a bit first.
Hannah is rude not blunt. She just lacks empathy and she is self-centered. Nick is someone with....limited brain capacity
Both Nick and Hannah will struggle to find anyone that will put up with them as they both suck!
I really don't get the hate for Marissa. She never said it was right how Hannah treated Nick, she only stood up when Nick lied about the grenade thing, because she knew what he said wasn't true.
She did get used by Ramses but how is it her fault that she can't see that (yet)? Seems like victim blaming to me
Nick didnt like the way Hannah looked and Hannah didnt like the way Nick looked.
“Serial killer vibes… and now I understand he’s probably just Nero divergent” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oohhhh another installment!! Are you going to be doing the Love is Blind Habibi season as well??
Also, pausing you reading twilight to listen to you talk about love is blind is a very... Unique experience 😆
It took me until the end of the video to realize you were calling Vanessa Crissy Teigen 😂😂😂
@Madmorph combined with trash TV.......LIB is my guilty pleasure which I am deeply ashamed of, it's so weirdly refreshing to have the depth, humor, grounded perspective and kindness of Madmorph commenting on something so superficial and exploitative and just enjoying the tea. I appreciate you. - Not sure this is your best audience though.....
Love you Morph! ❤️
Come on Hanna that so much damage tonight it was daily. He took it and took it and never said anything you can’t sit there and tell me Nick was a bad guy. Hannah was abuser. She still an abuser so don’t try to make Nick look bad at all he was bullied by the whole entire staff, and that was totally ridiculous and he can sue them for that. Hannah quit her 9 to 5 job to come on the show and hoping one day be a influencer and they’re talking about Nick wanting to be famous. The whole show. Take me off so much. I got sick in the stomach from how they took it one person and crush team and he said nothing. If I was his mother, I would be there and I would let them have it.
I think when people were asking you to evaluate him, it’s about being unbiased. You shouldn’t not want to do it because of your personal opinion, I believes you should do it because everyone on the cash should be treated equal and you should be allowed to talk about a subject just the same you talk about anybody else’s
At this point the show should be called „Love is trauma bonding“
i shouldddd be sleeping but i've been waiting for this with bated breath LOL
How can we think that Marissa’s mom did great here? She claimed she wanted to punch him in the throat. If that was aimed by a man towards a woman we would call the line for abuse. Geeee the double standards !!!
But it wasn't aimed by a man towards a woman. So why the whataboutism?
A 5 foot tall mother saying "I wanted to punch him but we had a civil conversation instead"
Is never going to be in "equal" measure, as scary, or as inappropriate, as a grown man saying it about a woman.
That is quite simply a fact of life. The "double standards" argument is an absolute nonsense.
Are all the reunions like this? Oofa doofa indeed.
Thanks for covering this, I haven't watched reality TV voluntarily for YEARS and this got me (INFLUENCED?!?!). I was SO uncomfortable watching the arguments in the full reunion episode, thrilled that Garrett (LIVING KEN DOLL?!) and Taylor were still together and I really liked the way Ashley and Tyler supported each other with their words and comforting touches. I think I'll be joining the camp of "I hate reality TV but love to watch Morph talk about it."
All their perceived/real issues aside I do hope the others find some peace of mind and get whatever it was they got on the show looking for to begin with (I don't think it was love).
I want season 8 to have a cast that is far uglier, fatter, and more unhinged. Give it to me Netflix!
0:21 oop! hold up!! Lemme get my popcorn 😯🍿
Honestly, I didn’t really care about the whole Tyler thing, I just hoped Ashley knew about it before she said yes at the alter; and she says she did, so that’s great. However, I think their whole “we were lying to protect the kids” is bull. How does him lying about if the kids know what he looks like or not protect them? Ashely said they decided to talk about it on camera so that there wouldn’t be a disconnect for the audience. Ok- so how hard would it have been for Ashely to have a confessional-style interview where she just said “Tyler told me he has some bio kids but he didn’t want to have the discussion on camera and I respect that”? Literally could’ve just done that, not faked a conversation full of lies
Excellent review ❤❤❤
Came here for the Hannah and Nck take because it was so confusing. I was honestly shocked and I appreciated your take on it!
The nick take was trash. hannah saw a note and drew her own conclusions, the girls gossiped about what nick said to their men, and if you really want to take serious "i heard from her that she heard from him said that you said X" serious you need to get it together, nick admited to saying he was underwhelmed..... you know like how hannah did to the camera... lol. If children refuse to actually have conversations over conflict with others instead of making assumptions from reading notes and hearing gossip they are chldren. Nick might be the worst, but children come on lol come up with some adult reasons
@@TrentYakle and using Steven and Ramses as sources. Steven is a guy who embelishes a lot
@@fotisalatas3698 ramses confirmed the underwhelmed comment, steven the grenade, but can you tell me the way he used that word, what the context was? lol nope. Are you telling me it was okay for Hannah to be underwhelmed and Nick not, Nick shouldn't have been going around talking to everyone about it, but if he wanted to process it with someone thats fine. The truth is Hannah struggled after the show with the hate, Hannah wanted to take Nick down to redeem herself and the girls thought they had a narrative to nail Nick with, but it was all so childish its really sad. If Nick is a terrible person can we get some adults to address it lol
@@TrentYakle agreed. Hannah ia trying to be an influencer and your personal life impacts your business. The girls were trying to rehabilitate her image, thats it
@@fotisalatas3698 ohhh... so hannah is there for the PR.... trying to say other people are bad because they are there for PR.... lol what a joke
HATE is unjustified in any form. As a viewer I also sometimes form an opinion about some people I see. As in our real life some people like us and some people dislike us but no one knows what is really going on in someone's mind and heart. So please don't use Instagram or another platform to write hate comments.
as much as i feel that people who go on these shows get what’s coming to them, you’ll never find me leaving a hate comment. it’s too much effort and nothing good can possibly come out of it
I disagreed with almost everything said in this video. It’s not internalized misogyny to call out bad behavior. Marissa went after Nick with more energy than she did Ramses who I believe knew he wasn’t going to marry Marissa after the kid talk combined with the thoughts of forever dealing with her mother. She allowed her mother to talk about the hardship she and her mother faced after his choice and allowed her mother to say she wanted to punch him in the throat, only to reveal she was still having sex with the man after everything. Hannah completely dodged accountability by using her friends to dog pile on Nick. She went into his personal belongings after being broke up and no one called her out for that. You give Ramses props for avoiding actually confirming what Nick said, instead he just said take accountability? He didn’t want to break bro code and so he skirted around actually confirming. Give him props, if he said “Nick, you told me that Hannah was a 5 and you called her a grenade. I told Marissa. Own up.” But no he dodged actually backing Marissa fully. Hannah was being calculated by how she brought up his note book and the rumors of what he said, before anyone could actually call her out for her abusive behavior. I personally believe Nick was not happy with her looks and he did what Tyler and Ashley did and avoided talking about it on camera because doing what Hannah did was demeaning and hard to watch. Always making comments about his height and mean comments about his appearance. Nick needed to own what he said and people have pointed out all of Nick’s flaws. His immaturity, lack of financial literacy, his inappropriateness with other women. We can acknowledge Nick’s wrongs and not try to cancel out Hannah’s wrongs with his. That’s what people are mad at.
random, but i jsut watched your Longlegs vid and would love one on Smile 2!
Such a fun video! Your sass got me liking, subscribing, and z-snapping. 💅🏾✨
I don't think is misogyny to call out Marisa for the way she acted, I think it was anger misguided and she should've roasted Ramses instead of Nick. But she's clearly into him so the next available avenue was Hannah's sidekick.
Nick deserved some smoke for being so fake though and Marissa also said Hannah is in the wrong. The hate against Marissa feels misguided.
Yeah bro, I think you need to follow-up on this. Your take on Tyler and Ashley is just horrible. Especially with all of the facts that came out from both the mother of Tyler's Children, her Ex Wife and Her mother. All of which have far more insight than Ashley on the situation... You wild for taking such an absolute stance, especially when you admit you don't know all the details that came out.
23:15 This is not necessarily a high point. Women for the most part are always the ones left to make the sacrifices. He promised her ALL season that he would move for her, and in less than a year, he back tracked. This is really sad actually. And even more sad is the fact that LIB often casts men unsuitable for the quality of women they cast. None of these guys were good enough for the women. Funny enough the only one that comes close is Leo.
NICK DID NOTHING WRONG....
I liked Tyler on the show , really great guy then... horrified. Then thought something wrong here with the lesbian relationship...then hmmm. Im back to liking him. I think he has "women/mother" issues in that he over loves them. Over compensates and ended up in the middle of two female friends. Over compensated to father the first child. Then genuinely took his role as parent and fell into a relationship with his close friend. friends are often codependant. I think its hard to understand how he thought his story would pan out on TV. Best he said in the pods. But i think hes a genuingly loving guy who gave too much of himself through some kinda outplay of childhood trauma and im glad he found love with Ashley.
4:13 guys he’s coming with the smoke 💨
Daddy Morph said 'Not in my house!'
On another note, is AD with Marshall now?