Pretty cool that you and Boshnroll did a channel swap today. You're playing durdly greedy control and he's playing needlessly complicated greedy combo deck. You love to see it.
That was a lot of fun to watch because it feels like the deck has a solid path to victory in most instances, at least with a good pilot. Very cool showcase.
@@ThrabenUniversity okay so some context, unfortunately I left my Japanese Lands Deck on top of my truck, and then drove away. I was distracted with handling my children, all my own fault. So now I needed to buy into another legacy deck. The good news is I was able to recover the diamonds, and about half the deck, no FBBs or Tabby tho. So I've been trying to buy into a Yorion deck. (KOTR) but your video made me want to try a more bant leaning angle. Love the content as always Phil.
I love these durdly 4+ color control decks in legacy! I play 5c Beanith in paper right now. Your first ponder was hilarious 😂 it saw a boros card, a simic card, and a black card. You love to see it
Sweet Jeebus... the multi-Terminus in Round 4 vs. Rhinos was chef's kiss. Don't get me wrong, I hate (with the heat of a nova) seeing Terminus on the other side of the board, but ngl that was awfully tasty to see on our side of the board.
Using painter's servant to make red elemental blast one of the best one for one's in the game is a line that is really cool! Nice play that I had never thought of, even if it was from your opponent.
I saw a comment somewhere that said “we know up the beanstalk isn’t a white card because it doesn’t have the once a turn clause” and I think about that a lot.
I've been having trouble getting beans for my local weeklys, and been playing a 60-card beanless beans deck ive taken to calling Texas Chili. Been surprisingly good, but now i really want to get my hands on some beans.
@@whit4446 In fairness there is also a legacy tradition of naming decks after stuff not in them any more (EG fishless fish, or that weird 6 month stretch where ANT was not playing ad nauseum or tendrils)
I think if I played Legacy, it'd be 1000% this, Black Saga/Beseech or a scammy Shadow deck. Deck is devastating - loved every moment of it. Well played.
@@raevimati7048 bahahaha what's up DUDE! Yeah I'm on that Legacy shit too 😉 I watch it every day, even if I don't play 😂 I have Legacy Burn on accident
At 21:45, given that you were only showing green mana, I wonder if your opponent could have read Veil of Summer and named white or something with Painter and you just lose.
I love that resolved blood moon + some way of getting rid of the plains is the glass jaw of this deck. Edit: with loams boarded out and the opponent on no islands.
Why do I feel like you could use the affinity for artifact cards that cost 6-7 mana that get cheaper for every artifact would work with it? Since it counts the cmc on summon not on cast?
Sounds like a cute deck, but I suspect that deck doesn't have a Legacy power level. Keep in mind that combo decks regularly kill / effectively end the game on turn 3, and sometimes turn 2 (if a deck Reanimates Griselbrand and then draws a bunch of cards, the game is usually over).
At around 36:30 why not attack with both creatures to push one damage, with the Terminus coming anyway? If they block the bowmasters so it doesn't go back to deck, you push even more damage.
A. It telegraphs Terminus. B. It throws away Bowmasters, resulting in my opponent's Brainstorms becoming much better. C. It's a MUCH worse play if Terminus does not resolve.
In match 1 game 3 I think the opponent punts by putting it on blue. You showed Veil earlier in the match so it could have been a thing. It would have been an easy win if they named a non-blue or black color. And then choosing to use Leyline on the painter was a mistake on your part, since it let the opponent gain another 3 life off swords and also meant your leyline was worse with yorion
Yep. It's one of the downsides of naming Blue. Likewise, naming Red, Green or White gives people easier Furies, Force of Vigors, or Solitudes. Usually, the other colour to name is black, as that shuts off snuff out.
Even though going the UG Yorion value route, perhaps with some Evoke presence (e.g. Mulldrifter) seems good enough, I wonder if there's an easy way to OTK with this in Black, something like Dark Petition+Spinning Darkness+Soul Spike(+Null Profusion?)
@@ThrabenUniversity Yeah, I guess you're right 😅 Still, I think that there might also be a more aggressive way to employ Up the Beanstalk, particularly in a BG or even a RG shell.
I too think Mulldrifter is a sweet card, but in general you don't want to play cards that are bad by themselves (unless they literally combo-kill if you also have the other half). If you're going to spend three mana, just cast a Teferi or an Uro or a Forth Eorlingas for 1, and those cards don't lean on Beanstalk to be good.
I really get the feeling that if Gaea's Will is banned, (killing the turn 1 version) Beseech the Mirror would be a totally reasonable addition to black decks, and Beanstalk would be the best (and healthy) addition to Legacy. Tbh, I don't think Gaea's Will needs to be banned, Legacy has turn 1's, and that one is vulnerable to the same stuff most are.
I think the beanstalk is way too crazy for legacy. Makes control too strong. FoW and leyline plus you have access to the evoke elementals. I don’t know. Beseech crumbles if you counter it so it’s fair at least but beanstalk advantage seems broken.
I don't think anything is currently up for ban discussion by Legacy standards. You could make an argument for Bowmasters based on a HUGE metagame presence, but the newer stuff we've gotten seems fine to me.
Are you sure that Up the Beanstalk is all that much of this deck's engine? I mean, I'm pretty sure that The One Ring drew you more cards (sure, since it costs more mana), but... So many of these games, just the rest of your "greedy deck" cards got it done.
I agree that without the Beanstalk this deck is still plenty good. However Beanstalk is better than it looks. If you cast Beanstalk and then FoW something / flip a Terminus, and then cast a Yorion, you've... drawn four cards for 1G. And that's really not unreasonable to do.
To me it's not a question of how many cards Up the Beankstalk draws, so much as a question of context: If it's mostly drawing those cards in game-states where you already have tons of cards in hand, and plenty of good stuff to do (which is how I'd characterize it in this video), then it's not as strong as if it's drawing cards when you're nearly out. But maybe you'd say that it shines more in control mirrors/against other really-greedy decks, or something like that. (Or, in a deck that doesn't even use The One Ring!)
Pretty cool that you and Boshnroll did a channel swap today. You're playing durdly greedy control and he's playing needlessly complicated greedy combo deck. You love to see it.
Bosh 1 day layer is on initiative haha
That was a lot of fun to watch because it feels like the deck has a solid path to victory in most instances, at least with a good pilot. Very cool showcase.
In game 2 of round 1 you did technically have an out. Draw the forest and the loam, giving you access to the plains that gives you binding
I thought I boarded out Loam. I'd have to check.
Didnt even see that: yes loam was in. But that’s a very grindy game to line up a forest into loam and not have it get hit my a counter by then.
The terminus rips had me rolling.
See what you really need to do is draw a card off... Jokulhaups 🌊🥰
I cry just thinking about that manabase
So this is what you've bean up to!
*groan*
@@ThrabenUniversity I'll take that as a W! ;)
@@ThrabenUniversity although this video is directly responsible for the $550 Hareruya order I placed yesterday ;)
O.o @@LucksackGames
@@ThrabenUniversity okay so some context, unfortunately I left my Japanese Lands Deck on top of my truck, and then drove away. I was distracted with handling my children, all my own fault. So now I needed to buy into another legacy deck. The good news is I was able to recover the diamonds, and about half the deck, no FBBs or Tabby tho. So I've been trying to buy into a Yorion deck. (KOTR) but your video made me want to try a more bant leaning angle. Love the content as always Phil.
Oh my god I audibly screamed "YES" when you found second Swords to Plowshares on 1:14:35 holy shit.
Great deck, great league.
Round 5 Game 2 win was incredibly well-earned... I'm pouring one out for that game.
Such technical games in this episode! Super fun to watch.
I love these durdly 4+ color control decks in legacy! I play 5c Beanith in paper right now. Your first ponder was hilarious 😂 it saw a boros card, a simic card, and a black card. You love to see it
that round 5 terminus StP play was really nice! GJ
That one felt good. Real good.
Sweet Jeebus... the multi-Terminus in Round 4 vs. Rhinos was chef's kiss. Don't get me wrong, I hate (with the heat of a nova) seeing Terminus on the other side of the board, but ngl that was awfully tasty to see on our side of the board.
Well played. Round 5 Game 1 was a masterclass.
14:40 had me rolling clean plays and his face go from smiling and cheeky to disappointment
Such a beautiful sequence on round 5, thanks for your content. Magic is fucking awesome.
Using painter's servant to make red elemental blast one of the best one for one's in the game is a line that is really cool! Nice play that I had never thought of, even if it was from your opponent.
@16:03 Technically you arent done, you have life from the loam with your forest. Not saying its likely, but it is an out
I was SCREAMING "LIFE FROM THE LOOOOOAAAAAM" while watching that hahaha. Not likely indeed, but there's always hope.
I thought I boarded it out. I'd have to check the vod.
I saw a comment somewhere that said “we know up the beanstalk isn’t a white card because it doesn’t have the once a turn clause” and I think about that a lot.
I've been having trouble getting beans for my local weeklys, and been playing a 60-card beanless beans deck ive taken to calling Texas Chili.
Been surprisingly good, but now i really want to get my hands on some beans.
in keeping with legacy tradition the deck should probably named after the traditional british breakfast dish, beans on toast
@whit4446 that's way too descriptive a name. Should be something like English breakfast so nobody actually knows what it is
@@whit4446 In fairness there is also a legacy tradition of naming decks after stuff not in them any more (EG fishless fish, or that weird 6 month stretch where ANT was not playing ad nauseum or tendrils)
@@whit4446 My understanding is that breakfast foods denote combo decks specifically. I could be mistaken though!
@@LadyGainhart drawing cards is the best combo
"I can do the traditional beanstalk things." traditions form FAST
I think if I played Legacy, it'd be 1000% this, Black Saga/Beseech or a scammy Shadow deck.
Deck is devastating - loved every moment of it. Well played.
Never too late to start🤷♂️. Shadow in particular is primarily made up of modern cards and is super rewarding to play
Saw the CC and did a double take, I keep wanting to do a beanstalk delver deck, prolly RUG, but pretty much any beanstalk deck would be sick
@@raevimati7048 bahahaha what's up DUDE! Yeah I'm on that Legacy shit too 😉 I watch it every day, even if I don't play 😂 I have Legacy Burn on accident
I love up the bean stalk! who ever would have though a limited build around could be a legacy engine!
Spilling the beans talk.
2:06 nah, he’s salivating at the amount of beans, obviously.
Game 1 Round 1 we love to see the friendo references LOL
When that plains got milled, you still had an out: Forest into Life from the Loam
Brainstorm for terminus into one ring into mystic sanctuary for terminus into new one ring... feels kinda like turbofog with bite. Fun one.
At 21:45, given that you were only showing green mana, I wonder if your opponent could have read Veil of Summer and named white or something with Painter and you just lose.
up the beanstalk simply enabled the most disgusting hard control deck in legacy... i love it!
I vote we name this deck English Breakfast because I know how much Phil loves nondescript deck names.
You're fired lol
Fun video, thanks. And grats.
I love that resolved blood moon + some way of getting rid of the plains is the glass jaw of this deck.
Edit: with loams boarded out and the opponent on no islands.
This looks super fun, I kinda want to try a Variant with a miser's Venser, the Sojourner
Bruh, that poor rhinos player. I could just feel the tilt coming from them!
Damn. The beans are legit.
Very.
This deck drives me up the wall
This deck is absolutely Phil-thy
1:09:18 , you talk about trying to hit swords off uro trigger, is using mystic sanctuary to put drown on top to get that an option?
Why do I feel like you could use the affinity for artifact cards that cost 6-7 mana that get cheaper for every artifact would work with it? Since it counts the cmc on summon not on cast?
A different streamer was testing exactly that with beans and glimpse plus evolution for craterhoof
Seems good in regular 8 cast too
There will be a game AGAINST a deck like that on the channel soon. It looks very slow from the other side of the table.
Sounds like a cute deck, but I suspect that deck doesn't have a Legacy power level. Keep in mind that combo decks regularly kill / effectively end the game on turn 3, and sometimes turn 2 (if a deck Reanimates Griselbrand and then draws a bunch of cards, the game is usually over).
BEEEAAANNNSSSSS
B E A N S
"well,..was in play" 😏
At around 31:00, you can just Drown the dreadnought, you had the out in hand.
If memory serves, I did not have black mana.
Vaults whisper. Beans talk 🗣️🗣️🗣️
this list loses so incredibly hard to a resolved bloodmoon
Well, there are enough basics in the list to fetch that you could theoretically Leyline Binding it for 2 mana. 😅
But then 14:50 happens...
B E A N
Miracle Beans!
I feel like i really like your videos when you play tier 1-2.5 decks instead of „what if we combine 4 horsemen combo with Dwarf Recruiter Combo
New glasses handsome?
Nice games
At around 36:30 why not attack with both creatures to push one damage, with the Terminus coming anyway? If they block the bowmasters so it doesn't go back to deck, you push even more damage.
A. It telegraphs Terminus.
B. It throws away Bowmasters, resulting in my opponent's Brainstorms becoming much better.
C. It's a MUCH worse play if Terminus does not resolve.
@@ThrabenUniversity thanks for the reply!
Every time I see up the beanstalk and...blink effects, i have to remjnd myself to not make a degen joke.
There's nothing wrong with flickering the beans.
In match 1 game 3 I think the opponent punts by putting it on blue. You showed Veil earlier in the match so it could have been a thing. It would have been an easy win if they named a non-blue or black color. And then choosing to use Leyline on the painter was a mistake on your part, since it let the opponent gain another 3 life off swords and also meant your leyline was worse with yorion
Huh, that's certainly a direction to take it.
havent even watched the video but this list is so hot
IT'S MORE BEANS TIME!
Undefeanstalk!
Only on the intro but man WotC wasn't exactly wrong about Leyline binding. It is in fact a really good card and playable in legacy.
Glorious.
you worried about a dreadnaught with drown in the loch in hand
He didn’t have black mana to cast it
Give em the beans!
Could you pitch a land to counter red elemental blast with force because Painter?
Yep. It's one of the downsides of naming Blue.
Likewise, naming Red, Green or White gives people easier Furies, Force of Vigors, or Solitudes.
Usually, the other colour to name is black, as that shuts off snuff out.
Im surprised terminus isnt in more decks
Even though going the UG Yorion value route, perhaps with some Evoke presence (e.g. Mulldrifter) seems good enough, I wonder if there's an easy way to OTK with this in Black, something like Dark Petition+Spinning Darkness+Soul Spike(+Null Profusion?)
That feels like it's working WAYYYYY to hard.
@@ThrabenUniversity Yeah, I guess you're right 😅 Still, I think that there might also be a more aggressive way to employ Up the Beanstalk, particularly in a BG or even a RG shell.
I too think Mulldrifter is a sweet card, but in general you don't want to play cards that are bad by themselves (unless they literally combo-kill if you also have the other half). If you're going to spend three mana, just cast a Teferi or an Uro or a Forth Eorlingas for 1, and those cards don't lean on Beanstalk to be good.
Is Triumph of Saint Katherine on MTGO yet? If not, would this deck run it if it was?
It probably would have, but now Forth Eorlingas takes that slot as a late bomb that's also good a bit earlier.
@@JonaxII That makes sense!
I really get the feeling that if Gaea's Will is banned, (killing the turn 1 version) Beseech the Mirror would be a totally reasonable addition to black decks, and Beanstalk would be the best (and healthy) addition to Legacy.
Tbh, I don't think Gaea's Will needs to be banned, Legacy has turn 1's, and that one is vulnerable to the same stuff most are.
I think the beanstalk is way too crazy for legacy. Makes control too strong. FoW and leyline plus you have access to the evoke elementals. I don’t know. Beseech crumbles if you counter it so it’s fair at least but beanstalk advantage seems broken.
I don't think anything is currently up for ban discussion by Legacy standards. You could make an argument for Bowmasters based on a HUGE metagame presence, but the newer stuff we've gotten seems fine to me.
Was this a whole league where Phil didn't Mulligan once?
Either this deck is just that good or Phil has been replaced by some top-notch AI.
XD
It’s wild beanstalk is uncommon
Savander!!!
I hope someone out there is hearing of Anzi for the first time and thinks he's into DnT.
hell yeah rainbow decks
>Uncommon
Pauper moment
I think the cost of the duals will break the wallet before the card breaks legacy
Some of us already own some number of duals ;)
Now how long before they ban the beanstalk lol. Seems to be making cheap spells way too powerful especially in legacy.
It's VERY good, but I don't think it's over the Legacy bar.
That 1st game was gross....
Are you sure that Up the Beanstalk is all that much of this deck's engine? I mean, I'm pretty sure that The One Ring drew you more cards (sure, since it costs more mana), but... So many of these games, just the rest of your "greedy deck" cards got it done.
I agree that without the Beanstalk this deck is still plenty good. However Beanstalk is better than it looks.
If you cast Beanstalk and then FoW something / flip a Terminus, and then cast a Yorion, you've... drawn four cards for 1G. And that's really not unreasonable to do.
To me it's not a question of how many cards Up the Beankstalk draws, so much as a question of context: If it's mostly drawing those cards in game-states where you already have tons of cards in hand, and plenty of good stuff to do (which is how I'd characterize it in this video), then it's not as strong as if it's drawing cards when you're nearly out. But maybe you'd say that it shines more in control mirrors/against other really-greedy decks, or something like that. (Or, in a deck that doesn't even use The One Ring!)