Seymour is awkward, but he is consistent. I like that he stands up for reason in the face of uncomfortable issues. ps. 1 News. You only have 30K subscribers on youtube. Have a word with yourself
Funny really the two extremes, right and left neither of whom I would agree with on most things. Good to see them both in a position like this, some times we just dont know enough to come to an informed opinion on politicians. I always thought he was a bit weak but he has changed my opinion with some of his comments and opinions. While I would never agree with everything Chloe says I would always admire her intellect and listen to what she had to say.
I'd personally class ACT as Libertarian more than right wing, sure they swing right but they definitely aren't extreme right when compared to other right wing parties across the world
@@MoyoGaming Yeh not sure I would agree with that, but my view might be because of the founders of the party who were right-wing Thatcherites. The trouble with the definition of Libertarian is that it can be applied to both Left and right-wingers so it gets confusing. But I am going to take on board your opinion and look at ACT from a different perspective, Thanks.
@@cam8001 Well I respect her intelligence but many in the greens are a bit too far left for me and they are active on issues that are important to others in other countries, this is New Zealand and this is where they should put all their efforts. While everyone laughs at her "OK Boomer" comment she and others in that party would be the first to step forward on anyone else putting people down, yet when it suits her she says that. She would not be here if it was not for her Boomer parents and that generation. Having said all that I gave her my party vote so there you go. Cheers
@@MoyoGaming act is lib right green is lib left labour is auth left national is auth right google the political compass it’s a lot better then the typical “left” and “right”
What I find most interesting watching this 6 years after it was aired is the change in Chloe. 6 years ago she was likeable, moderate, able to agree & concede. Such a shame to see her decline in 2024
I think that's the deal with all minor parties. It's Labour and National, who only fight for smiles and hugs, that take their votes. Got to stop voting em two and, boom, MMP parliament!
ACT has some great policies and David is obviously very intelligent, but some of their list MPs are absolutely nutty. It's a shame because they've got good potential.
@@bravetherainbow lots of people have no idea what neolibs and neocons are and stand for. Just consider New Conservatives. They themselves probably don't even get that they are just relabelling Neo Conservatives. What a crackup
Very critical and adept at pointing out problems, however, not well thought out solutions that David. He seems a bit self continuous not making eye contact with the camera during the whole debate.
David Seymour is the only worthwhile vote. He has made more of a difference in NZ politics in the past three years than the other parties combined. One of the hardest working politicians out there. He’ll be taking over 10% of the vote. You read it here first.
@@awesomewang9484 the negatives of weed are made worse when it's kept illegal. because not only can it damage your health (even though it probably won't), you can also go to prison for it, which makes peoples lives worse for no real reason. Other countries legalized it and the sky didn't fall, it just means more personal freedom, less people going to prison, more tax revenue and more jobs.
“I have great optimism that if I go on long enough I will eventually get through to you” I’m old enough to realise he won’t. It’s an economics educated adult talking to an idealist and you can never get through
Seymour acts like if uni is free anyone can get in but there is still entry requirements and if they meet the requirements they can go to uni which is exactly how it is now except you have to pay it back. Also assuming that fees free but you cant fail and keep going back. Like the current fees free schemes that exist
This is with regards of the last time show regarding the wof of the rental properties yes in my opinion its alright 👍 but the issue is the landlords will take advantage again to rise up the rent again and again on my head is they can look after the rental to get lower it and the prices of the houses is getting high every year the goshould look after this .
I think it really highlights how people can be skewed to look a certain way in different media outlets, a video of two very different can show us that at the end of the day, both want what’s best for New Zealand
Their vote share will likely go done next election as National gets back on its feet, although NZ's political landscape is very dynamic, so we'll see where it goes. I do think there does need to be a higher representation of minor parties though so that more of our views are better represented. I'm personally seeking to stand as a candidate myself and stand as a Green candidate and campaign, although of course, I do understand where many ACT voters come from, and I hope to properly represent them as well. Kia Kaha!
@@lntg Like I said in my OG comment, the political landscape is quite dynamic, so it's interesting to see that ACT have maintained their growth. It seems both down to Luxon being a pretty uninspiring leader on the right, and ACT also stirring up an maintaining an increasingly radicalized, and increasingly racist base.
@@crossroads670 i just watched a debate with her in it. To her credit her hearts in the right place, she is a great public speaker, she has some good zinger lines, but she really is bit naive and doesn't really know what she is talking about half the time. Seymour simply makes more sense when you listen to what hes saying and cut out the emotional noise from passionate presenting.
Damn New Zealand and their intelligent, super sexy, female politicians with nerves of steel. We need more like them here in the UK - sexiness not a requirement.
Wow, he was so condescending and if you read between the lines, he's pretty much saying that a poorer person who takes advantage of the first year free university cheapens education so surely that apply to people who's parents put them through UNI. Still nice to see a debate where nobody got pissy even if Seymour was actually being really obnoxious and snobby, he did it with a smile and Chloe wasn't baited.
Seymour has a good brain and consistent ideas, however, I do not believe he is the ideal person to be leading ACT. His qualities and personality do not align with his ideas IMO...
Inequality of all types is baked into capitalism and the self perpetuating hierarchies that support it. To remove the inequality such as a gender pay, remove the hierarchy.
@@crossroads670 its not at all, im just finishing a degree in biology, and i have basically no job prospects because my degree means next to nothing. I have to slave for another 5-7 years to become useful and then after that get stuck in post doc roles because of the saturation of education. Keep in mind this is a STEM subject. It is much worse for softer subjects. If you want to get the debt for the sake of learning, great, but if you want a job, devaluing education is going to make things worse. Truth is i wish i went to a tech school to get practical skills, save my self 60k and get into the job market 4 years earlier and end up earning the same money.
@@crossroads670 Yeah I agree. Free university education is absolutely ludicrous. The universities wouldn't be able to function without the money. International students will have to may more and so many of them wouldn't come to nz which is worse for Unis.
Why because you think that dealing with flat payments and full time uni work while having a part time job isn't challenging enough. P.s they still have to meet requirements to stay and even go to the university.
@@anonmouse6337 yeah, thats a lot of stress in itself. I just think it's nice not having to worry so much about all the workload and then find out you can't finish your degree you've worked so hard for because you can't afford it.
@@saskiaknife7793 but that isn't really an issue, anyway, because of student loans. Ive never met any (domestic) student who dropped out because they couldn't afford the tuition.
@@anonmouse6337 but It doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I understand that the student loan is supposed to help with that. however, not everyone can get student loans because they don't meet the criteria. but the idea of making uni free was to lesson the dropouts and stress put on students who go to university start after high school. having to deal with the mental strain of some many changes all at once, things like having to pay bills first time, living away from home the first time, expressing a huge jump of the amount of university work than High school, Part-time jobs, mental-health. I understand that everyone goes through these things but it just makes sense to try and ease some of that responsibility for people. plus Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden have made there university free or cheaper for students and you don't hear any issues coming from them, unlikely counties like America who leave students in debt for many years so why wouldn't we make it less? I also just don't think people should say it's ridiculous when Its actually helping people. though I am open to listening to people why they think its unnecessary.
David you better come up north see the bro's show them your not racists, better go fishing, if find some water cress bro wanna let me know where 😂 They trying to ruin your career with rasism. Bro I can make you look like the champ you are
Two of the most honest politicians in NZ!!
totally
No
Politicians ain't honest people, everyone knows this
Michael Porter I do hope you are right because my country needs a really good challenge to break up the monopoly of labour & their B...s..t
Not agree
Seymour is awkward, but he is consistent. I like that he stands up for reason in the face of uncomfortable issues.
ps. 1 News. You only have 30K subscribers on youtube. Have a word with yourself
@hugh jogran “only the woke left is watching them.” lmao. Have you seen any of these comments?
The audio is horrendous, love only hearing them in the distant part of my left headphone...
You could say they have a bias for the left
Very interesting watching now given they're neighbouring electoral MPs
I didn't see to much of a standoff, agreeing on some subjects, that was a great talk. Civilized conversation, who would have thought.
They have a lot in common.
No respect for human life.
Funny really the two extremes, right and left neither of whom I would agree with on most things. Good to see them both in a position like this, some times we just dont know enough to come to an informed opinion on politicians. I always thought he was a bit weak but he has changed my opinion with some of his comments and opinions. While I would never agree with everything Chloe says I would always admire her intellect and listen to what she had to say.
I'd personally class ACT as Libertarian more than right wing, sure they swing right but they definitely aren't extreme right when compared to other right wing parties across the world
@@MoyoGaming Yeh not sure I would agree with that, but my view might be because of the founders of the party who were right-wing Thatcherites. The trouble with the definition of Libertarian is that it can be applied to both Left and right-wingers so it gets confusing. But I am going to take on board your opinion and look at ACT from a different perspective, Thanks.
@@akaroamale475 Why would you 'never agree with everything Chloe says'? Not accusing, just curious
@@cam8001 Well I respect her intelligence but many in the greens are a bit too far left for me and they are active on issues that are important to others in other countries, this is New Zealand and this is where they should put all their efforts. While everyone laughs at her "OK Boomer" comment she and others in that party would be the first to step forward on anyone else putting people down, yet when it suits her she says that. She would not be here if it was not for her Boomer parents and that generation. Having said all that I gave her my party vote so there you go. Cheers
@@MoyoGaming act is lib right green is lib left labour is auth left national is auth right google the political compass it’s a lot better then the typical “left” and “right”
Is this editor stupid or just doesn't like the politicians in the video? Still don't get it, editor? left audio only.
Well anyone listening that is woke will love it, they will only listen to the left anyway.
@@joewilde.
😂😂😂
😂
lol I only had my left headphone on, so I didn't notice that until i read your comment
@@joewilde. XD FUCK THOSE LEFTY LOONIES
What I find most interesting watching this 6 years after it was aired is the change in Chloe. 6 years ago she was likeable, moderate, able to agree & concede. Such a shame to see her decline in 2024
Seymour needs to be our next PM!!!!!
They all need to be hung.
@@soult8975 maybe that’s not the best course of action
@@soult8975 you could just not vote for them
@@soult8975 do you mean hanged
Lmao the subtle shade that David was throwing at Chloe the whole way 😆
Pretty impressive answers from his part though. Very astute!
3:12 - So impressed.
Lol the facepalm. Good to see these two having a civil discussion.
Looking at ACT's policies, It's surprising they don't poll higher. I think its more of an image problem.
I think that's the deal with all minor parties. It's Labour and National, who only fight for smiles and hugs, that take their votes. Got to stop voting em two and, boom, MMP parliament!
I guess we just don't have enough millionaires and billionaires here, obviously their target demographic
ACT has some great policies and David is obviously very intelligent, but some of their list MPs are absolutely nutty. It's a shame because they've got good potential.
PepeLaugh
@@bravetherainbow lots of people have no idea what neolibs and neocons are and stand for.
Just consider New Conservatives. They themselves probably don't even get that they are just relabelling Neo Conservatives. What a crackup
Very critical and adept at pointing out problems, however, not well thought out solutions that David. He seems a bit self continuous not making eye contact with the camera during the whole debate.
major jacinda and simon vibes
David Seymour is the only worthwhile vote. He has made more of a difference in NZ politics in the past three years than the other parties combined. One of the hardest working politicians out there. He’ll be taking over 10% of the vote. You read it here first.
Almost did right?
What a complete joke you are.
well they got 9% 😚
Boomers need to be informed with weed
@Jeri Brown it's probably because they know of the negative effects of it and don't believe that the positives cover the negatives
@@awesomewang9484 the negatives of weed are made worse when it's kept illegal. because not only can it damage your health (even though it probably won't), you can also go to prison for it, which makes peoples lives worse for no real reason. Other countries legalized it and the sky didn't fall, it just means more personal freedom, less people going to prison, more tax revenue and more jobs.
@@shamicentertainment1262 legalizing weed also increases the size of the black market ironically
@@Willjbm maybe in Canada, idk about elsewhere
Price is not the only way to ensure quality.
“I have great optimism that if I go on long enough I will eventually get through to you”
I’m old enough to realise he won’t. It’s an economics educated adult talking to an idealist and you can never get through
how is she an idealist?
I bet David and Chloe hangout allot
Seymour acts like if uni is free anyone can get in but there is still entry requirements and if they meet the requirements they can go to uni which is exactly how it is now except you have to pay it back. Also assuming that fees free but you cant fail and keep going back. Like the current fees free schemes that exist
If you can't meet the current requirements you're either lazy or brain dead
It's an extremely low hurdle to clear
There's only academic entry requirements if you're under 20
The requirements are really low
This is with regards of the last time show regarding the wof of the rental properties yes in my opinion its alright 👍 but the issue is the landlords will take advantage again to rise up the rent again and again on my head is they can look after the rental to get lower it and the prices of the houses is getting high every year the goshould look after this .
wtf happened to the audio
I didn’t disagree with anything David said?
I’ve always loved Chloe but I also really like David after watching this
I think it really highlights how people can be skewed to look a certain way in different media outlets, a video of two very different can show us that at the end of the day, both want what’s best for New Zealand
Not going to lie, David Seymour just went up in my books
please master your audio holy shit. my left ear is dead
MY LEFT EAR ENJOYED THIS
Everyone needs a good education so that we can get everyone working
I dont like the green party or Chlöe very much but I have respect for her to be chill and understanding towards Davids views.
(Vote ACT 2023 😉)
Their vote share will likely go done next election as National gets back on its feet, although NZ's political landscape is very dynamic, so we'll see where it goes. I do think there does need to be a higher representation of minor parties though so that more of our views are better represented. I'm personally seeking to stand as a candidate myself and stand as a Green candidate and campaign, although of course, I do understand where many ACT voters come from, and I hope to properly represent them as well. Kia Kaha!
Seems to be up a lot 😂@@HenrythePaleoGuy
@@lntg Like I said in my OG comment, the political landscape is quite dynamic, so it's interesting to see that ACT have maintained their growth. It seems both down to Luxon being a pretty uninspiring leader on the right, and ACT also stirring up an maintaining an increasingly radicalized, and increasingly racist base.
Frustrated Judith Collins on the debate showed lack of respect..
They both look youthful.
I liked that.
They make a very handsome couple! I;m more than a little jealous of Dave
Yuck
Chloe is my new friend
She's pretty basic, and it seems like she's trying to laugh at people sometimes. Good job David
Ok boomer
@@TheGamerboy1103 Weeb
Chloe seems so arrogant.
What an airhead. David spoke very well.
tubestick00 What? Umm... he did okay, he could have done better.
Lucy Katt - she’s bloody early 20’s know all with no clue about the things she has opinions on. Perhaps you should grow up.
@@crossroads670 i just watched a debate with her in it. To her credit her hearts in the right place, she is a great public speaker, she has some good zinger lines, but she really is bit naive and doesn't really know what she is talking about half the time. Seymour simply makes more sense when you listen to what hes saying and cut out the emotional noise from passionate presenting.
Just me who was searching for the cooking David Seymour ?
Damn New Zealand and their intelligent, super sexy, female politicians with nerves of steel. We need more like them here in the UK - sexiness not a requirement.
Get rid of chloe
shes in for good now new auckland central mp
Yup that figures well at least we know what Auckland is full of now.
@@darkcosmicmoon I live in Auckland and I can tell you it’s full of entitled idealists
Good politics
I think there was a massive amount of sexual tension there........just say'n
Chloe's gay..
Great work David
I have no audio at all on this....
your left headphone must be busted then
Down to earth people
ok boomer
ok boomer
Ok boomer
@@Amberdee011 you didn't understand
IbeAwesome I can’t help it I’m a boomer
DAVID ROCKS
halm
Wow, he was so condescending and if you read between the lines, he's pretty much saying that a poorer person who takes advantage of the first year free university cheapens education so surely that apply to people who's parents put them through UNI. Still nice to see a debate where nobody got pissy even if Seymour was actually being really obnoxious and snobby, he did it with a smile and Chloe wasn't baited.
mr and mrs nut-bar...........
Oh my God Chloe is a female version of chad
ah disgusting
David before he became an insufferable reactionary
Seymour has a good brain and consistent ideas, however, I do not believe he is the ideal person to be leading ACT. His qualities and personality do not align with his ideas IMO...
Well ACT just got a party high getting 10 seats and sit high than greens on party votes
Inequality of all types is baked into capitalism and the self perpetuating hierarchies that support it. To remove the inequality such as a gender pay, remove the hierarchy.
Inequality is baked into life. Time for you to grow up.
The world has never been, nor will it ever be, equal. Not even communism can change that.
😄
Chloe just gives off those white privilege vibes, she should step down from her role and give it to a minority who deserves it
she is part of a minority
Chloe is incredibly qualified and the only politician I see other than Jacinda interacting with her country like they’re here people not her sheep
Why should someone from a minority get the position over her, that is still discrimination.
@@bayleetyres6579 jacinda is acting like the country is sheep tho
"it's going to devalue education" is such an entitled thing to say
Lion Dixon - how? It’s a fact. Lol, and how does it show entitlement? Perhaps you should read a dictionary.
@@crossroads670 its not at all, im just finishing a degree in biology, and i have basically no job prospects because my degree means next to nothing. I have to slave for another 5-7 years to become useful and then after that get stuck in post doc roles because of the saturation of education. Keep in mind this is a STEM subject. It is much worse for softer subjects. If you want to get the debt for the sake of learning, great, but if you want a job, devaluing education is going to make things worse. Truth is i wish i went to a tech school to get practical skills, save my self 60k and get into the job market 4 years earlier and end up earning the same money.
James - I was agreeing with the fact that it has devalued education. I agree with you. Unless you meant to reply to Lion…
yeah sorry, that wasn't directed at you.
@@crossroads670 Yeah I agree. Free university education is absolutely ludicrous. The universities wouldn't be able to function without the money. International students will have to may more and so many of them wouldn't come to nz which is worse for Unis.
Free university is an absolutely ridiculous idea.
Why because you think that dealing with flat payments and full time uni work while having a part time job isn't challenging enough. P.s they still have to meet requirements to stay and even go to the university.
@@saskiaknife7793 You still have to pay to for accommodation and living expenses with free uni. So you'd have to work while studying either way.
@@anonmouse6337 yeah, thats a lot of stress in itself. I just think it's nice not having to worry so much about all the workload and then find out you can't finish your degree you've worked so hard for because you can't afford it.
@@saskiaknife7793 but that isn't really an issue, anyway, because of student loans. Ive never met any (domestic) student who dropped out because they couldn't afford the tuition.
@@anonmouse6337 but It doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I understand that the student loan is supposed to help with that. however, not everyone can get student loans because they don't meet the criteria. but the idea of making uni free was to lesson the dropouts and stress put on students who go to university start after high school. having to deal with the mental strain of some many changes all at once, things like having to pay bills first time, living away from home the first time, expressing a huge jump of the amount of university work than High school, Part-time jobs, mental-health. I understand that everyone goes through these things but it just makes sense to try and ease some of that responsibility for people. plus Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden have made there university free or cheaper for students and you don't hear any issues coming from them, unlikely counties like America who leave students in debt for many years so why wouldn't we make it less? I also just don't think people should say it's ridiculous when Its actually helping people. though I am open to listening to people why they think its unnecessary.
Ok boomer
The Decimator ok doomer.
cringe
@@bruisedbug ok boomer
David you better come up north see the bro's show them your not racists, better go fishing, if find some water cress bro wanna let me know where 😂
They trying to ruin your career with rasism.
Bro I can make you look like the champ you are
I think chloe has a crush on somone
ok baby
on her fiancee probs
bro
Act is the incel party
Just look at the male members of the Young Greens. Low testosterone, dorky losers.
@@KnellofPartingDay Good, testosterone is evil, it’s step one in our plan to feminise the population. You’re next 😎
@@KnellofPartingDay 😜
@Bogdanmeoff SO TRUE!!!
Blowhard neocon.
What evidence do you have?....I think.....
He doesn't think he opines
The sexual tension was ridiculous.