The Zoom F1 vs The Tascam DR 10L. Which? Why? // Zoom F1 Review
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
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Which is the best small recorder for video production? Is it the Zoom F1? The Tascam DR-10L? If you are in the game, you've definitely heard of the DR-10L - but have you heard of the F1? It seems like Zoom is doing there best to compete with the wildly successful Tascam DR10L, and in this video I do my best to sift through which one should be right for you.
Time of each mic kit:
3:41
5:36
Great review! I own the dr10l and when I saw the zoom coming out with this I said Let's see how it work but since I'm a wedding videographer the form factor is a big deal to me, smaller size better for us, and that dual recorder from tascam is a great option. Thanks for the review I have all my questions answered.
Thank you so much for this comparison, Oliver. I'm in the process now of deciding which one I am going to purchase. This was extremely helpful to hear the sound quality with each recorder.
Let me know what you decide!
thank you very much for this vid. i'm just getting in to this and your experiences you're talking about are very practical and they helped me a lot! keep it on man.
Thanks for this Oliver. I might recommend you clip the mic to your shirt as no one is going to hold these Lavs like a broadcast microphone. We also get audio percussive pops that may not represent real world use. Nice studio. Love the light and the handheld aesthetic. All the best
The Minute you mentioned NO BACKUP TRACK it was All Over LOL but I watched it anyway since you took the time to make this great video keep up the Great Work.
Thanks haha, yep totally agree.
Great comparison! Thanks!
Love the review sir.
Dope review!
Thanks for the comparison dude.
Very under rated guy on UA-cam... Oliver! you rock man. Much regards from India!!!
Super helpful, thanks! Subscribed
Pumped to have you!!
Thanks for this vid, helped me made a choice
love the new video style! especially the lighting is beautiful. Thanks for the comparison (y)
You confirmed anything I expected from the F1 compared to the DR10L :-)
Patrick Niedermayer yep-I don’t see much use for the thing!!
Using a Tascam DR100-MK3, 2 DR10x for lav and shotgun use. The safety track is great, the gain control isn't good on the 10x ...just low med and high. So the 6 or 12db safety track is really a necessity. The lavs I use are Aputure A.Lav. Works great. Chose it over a dual wireless system.
Very cool comparison competition is always great in any market
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Awesome video as per usual! Do you think you'll be making a video at some point going into detail about your recording studio, equipment and how you record songs etc? Loving the content!
That's a great call! I will plan one.
Oliver J Hughes Awesome man! Can’t wait :)
Thank you Ben Affleck
lol
I'm pretty sure Oliver could out bench Ben... but dang,he does look like him
This is the most sober and likable Ben has ever been on ‘film’ ...
great job thanks very much - that's confirmed my choice!
Great Review! I gonna buy Zoom F1
The battery door on the F1 is very unreliable flimsy, it's let me down on many occasions looking to switch to Tascam now!
You won't be disappointed. I LOVE that little recorder!
I can relate. My F1 battery door just broke, so the recorder is useless now. Really can't recommend it.
@@danielbori6779
Similar experience here, battery door broke
same here, switched to Tascam as well.
Tascam has a new firmware update providing mp3 recording (dual record is not available with mp3) and also levels while recording. Excellent tool!
I shoot internally in my Sony fs5 and if I'm doing broadcast stuff I use the mixpre3 from sound devices!
Very respectable. Sound devices makes incredible field mixers.
Since DR10L has a mic bias output of 2 Volts, do you think this affected the noise floor of the Countryman B3 as it requires 3 Volts?
Great channel and content, subscribed!! I’m considering getting one of these two. However beside from its original design of use(with lav), i kind of want it to be a backup recorder alongside my camera sometimes. As I use an audio interface(beachtek) into my camera, and want to save a backup file with this type of tiny recorder. Which one in you opinion is better for sending a 3.5mm input from sources other than a lav mic?
Ps. I also own a few zoom capsules/H5. The F1 seems easier to mount on camera rigs, but the backup track feature and the form factor on the DL10 is much more desirable. Can you help me out with any suggestions?
Thanks!
Good afternoon Oliver, how comparable is the sound of the new Zoom F2 to the Tascam DR10L?
The Zoom F1 with the Countryman is really really good. Very sharp and crisp with good depth.
Hi. I'm on the verge of buying an F1. But I can't decide on a microphone. I have a KOMIKA TRACKSHOT, but maybe I should sell it and buy another one to go with the recorder? I can't figure out which one would work best for me on a small budget to record the environment of walking around town. Help please
What's up man?! I'm thinking of getting an F1 for trade show interviews. What do you think?
Yo!! I would go with DR10L only cause the backup recording. BUT if you go F1, you can’t go wrong
Oliver, it was a good video and nice job comparing them, however, have your cameraman use a stand when you are sitting down, the camera shake is really bad. Hope it helps, cheers.
I get dizzy from the video ,but the review was very good !
What about using that with a shotgun microphone? I know, might sound silly, but I am thinking about upgrading later on to a better dedicated audio recorder. Until than I would rather get a lavalier recorder. Also, my gx80 forces me to go dual audio
Great videos man! Are you filming this stuff with the C100? Thanks dude!
Mostly, yep! This one was shot on the Ursa Mini 4k tho!
This was an awesome video. I'm blown away by how absurdly annoying people can be with their comments. Thanks for making this and for the thorough comparisons!
Great video man! Do any of these recorders offer voice activated recording with pre and post record, say 2 seconds worth? Thanks again sir.
At the 7:00 mark I thought you were going to break out in song after you cleared your throat and the music started. 😂
Big missed opportunity!
I’m looking currently at the Sennheiser ew 112 P G4 to plug directly in camera, and rig a cable to my a6500 to have both audio input from the receiver to camera, and audio output so I can monitor audio on my headphones. I like this option bc my audio is immediately synced, and I find the set up is simpler. Would you generally just recommend recording audio on a separate line instead, recording into something like a Zoom H6?
Yeah that sounds perfect! The only reason I always record to a dedicated recorder is the options it gives me in post. If you like your setup and it sounds good, go with it!
What do you recommand for testimonials ?
How well does the Dr10l hold up as the only lav mic between two people having a conversation? On the auto level, limiter and the backup?
You would definitely need more than one as the included microphones work best closest to the source.
Thank you @oliver - I’ve had my H6 since it came out. Love it. However I’m looking for something for my mother to record her grand piano. Looking for something small and simple - like the idea of the f1 with a capsule.
That would be great!
does the zoom mic fit in invisilav?
My ear picked up that your expensive mic had the highest noise floor with both recorders. The F1 had noticeably lower noise floor than the DR10, except with the expensive mic.
The B3 mic seems to have numerous connector/connection types. Do you happen to know which one works with the Zoom F1?
Yep, you'll need the 3.5mm connection jack for the F1. (Also called the 1/8 in jack for some manufacturers).
I've been researching the DR-10L and the Zoom F1 but this is the first I've heard of the DR-10L's limiter "not working." I can't find anyone else who has had the issue. What happens exactly?
I’ve just heard pretty extensive clipping anytime the limiter is pushed a bit too far. It seems to be just not the best digital limiter. Not as functional as the F1 at least.
Nice cinematic lighting. DR10L is a solid recorder especially for run and gone shoots.
Dr10L with the country man
On the zoom that’s not a belt loop. It’s a mount for the zoom shotgun mic.
List all your audio recorders! Which is your favorite?
Oliver J Hughes I’ve got two DR-05s and an F1. Hopefully next comes an H6, or DR-60dmkii. Is it bad that that the final deciding factor for me between the F1 and DR-10L was how cool the F1 looks 🤔...probably. Lol
Great comparison video! I love my Zoom H6. I've been planning on getting some DR-10Ls, but hesitated when I found out about the Zoom F1. I am still leaning toward the 10L though. The backup track recording is the clincher for me.
Absolutely nothing wrong with loving the aesthetic of gear-I’m very guilty of that myself!
DR10L is unstoppable
Shure VP83F and Zoom H2n are my workhorses.
Hello Friend. Your video is excellent One question: what type of color filter does your video have? What color effect plugins? Thank you very much.
I believe for this one I used Adobe Premiere's Fuji Eterna LUT - gently graded. But keep in mind this was shot on the Ursa Mini 4k in LOG
Good review, I can't tell much of a difference.
I think they are close in audio quality. The Tascam wins in size but the zoom f1 wins in multi purpose use (it can also be a shotgun mic or record direct to your camera too).
the tascam has TRS input so I don't see why you couldn't plug a videomic pro into it.
Could you use those recorders with a hand mic and get good or decent audio?
You really can't as all handhelds are plugged in via XLR. Check out this one though: amzn.to/2pPcMEV
Can you use 2 lavalier mics with Zoom F1 for interviewing 2 people? Thanks 😀
You cannot, it only has one input
How about review lighting
Stop it.
the tescam looks soo good but the other one performs a little bit
The countryman b3 has 3 different eq caps... which one did you use?
Pretty sure I had the “flat” cap on. I just got the mic so I might’ve missed the other caps!
The flat cap is for use as an instrument mic at close distances. The mild boost is for lav use or music at distance, and the high lift is for concealed use under clothing.
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Did I miss something or was there a good reason you didn't simply clip the mics to your shirt rather than holding it gangster style?
Please skip the background music it is frustrating to view you good video.
LOL music is CRITICAL my man!
Oliver J Hughes please play it a little less loud while you are speaking, listen to yourself in the ends of your phrases, the music it taking over, your voice moves to the background as you still are providing useful information. With respect, I love your video's, cordially Sean
Sean Flanderhijn during the intro, the music is hotter on purpose, the rest of the video it’s actually really well balanced. So, maybe check your system, what are you listening on?
Music is indeed critical. I thought it was well balanced, it didn't interfere at all.
@@OliverJHughes I must admit I agree, the music is a little distracting at its volume level during the ending comments.
what was the song you used in the background throughout the beginning of the video!
Dang can't remember specifically! Something from Artlist.io
Just found it: In My Zone by Anton Vlasov (Artlist)
Just made my choice harder. 😰Damn it! 😂
Can these be monitored live without them recording? For checking levels etc?
Thanks
Yes, as long as you have headphones that connect with the 3.5mm jack.
@@OliverJHughes Thanks for the reply. Can you also monitor without recording? Or does it have to be recording i order to be able to hear what is going on in the headphones?
Thanks
Yep! As long as the units are on you can for sure monitor without recording
@@OliverJHughes PS
Do they both do the audio interface thing? I believe the Zoom does
Cool
I think I want a zoom f1.
I think that’s a great choice!
what city is that
Kansas City, MO!
ahh you make me confused my friend. the dr-10l is more expensive in my country
I need the Zoom in my life lol They both sound great.
You want mine?
Oliver J Hughes How much you selling it for ?
send me an email: contact@oliverjhughes.com
Not selling, giving.
Oliver J Hughes Sent
You got lucky JL BREMER 😁
You look like Frank Mirs little brother...
What would you choose to record in helmet voice audio for a motovlogger?
Good question! I would probably go DR10L because you've got a backup track in case of sudden spikes in audio - which I'm sure happen a lot on the bike.
Also, it's such a tiny little recorder, it won't ever get in your way.
@@OliverJHughes great, thanks for the reply and the video
Kinda don’t understand when you use the zoom you hold the mic closer to you, and when you use the tascam the mic is further away. Kinda unfair test to the tascam.
Interesting observation - yes I probably should've been more consistent for a truer test. I was impartial as I possibly could be, but I personally prefer the Tascam! Funny I didn't hold that one closer lol!
Thanks Bro! I just got 2 Tascam's using your link! I also subscribed to your channel! :)
APPRECIATE YOU!
Over-all Tascam wins... better battery life too :) I will never own a recorder without dual record again... it has saved my hide! great video bud! you are too hansom for me to subscribe though. I cant let my wife see me watching your videos... she'll leave me! LOL just kidding... I sub'd...
Your comment makes my day brighter LOL....
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Does the DR 10 have a visible meter for setting levels? Can it accept a line-level input as well?
IT does, and it can!
I've loved mine until a talent accidentally dropped it from a chair to a wooden floor (wasn't even a big fall). The battery door broke open. I tried repairing the locking part of the door with no use since it just would not hold the batteries in place anymore. So now I'm stuck with an otherwise perfectly fine recorder with no practical solution for closing the battery door. I tried industrial Velcro but doesn't feel as secure. I guess gaffer's tape will be the way to go 😔😔
Fyi that's not meant as a belt loop, it's meant as a shock mount holder.
P.S. Crossroads?
@@RushingProductions Well technically it's a belt loop first, otherwise they would've just added a 1/4-20 thread for shockmounts to attach (like the H6). But it works alongside the SMF-1 to be a good shock mount option.
@@RushingProductions And close! Westside.
btw I think the description link to your "buy my gear" is going to the wrong site. kit.co/oliverjhughes not kit.com/oliverjhughes It is going to a health testing site lol
Wow thanks for this - I thought I’d changed them all ha!
Good review but I have no idea why you're holding a lavaliere microphone to your mouth when testing it! Just put it on your lapel where it's supposed to go so we can have a practical real life experience between the two sounds. Any microphone that's 5 inches from your mouth is going to sound great!
You make a very fair point - something I would definitely change if I did it again!
Do a video on how you get that shaky video footage!
I’ll make a video on sarcasm lol!
@@OliverJHughes haha.. I was trying to say it looks just like "the office" although I was watching on 1.75 speed so maybe it was exaggerated.
@@Troy_Sent_A_Message actually my good bud Nate filmed this, I'll just have him film another one lol!
ZOOM F1 seems a little better than Tascam DR10?
The Senheizer ME 2-II Lav mic is noticeably better than the included DR-10L included Lav Mic. In side-by-side comparisons I did, they were very similar, the tascam was almost too crisp/sensitive at the highs, and the Senheizer a bit more bass heavy, but the mid range sounded much more dynamic and vibrant in Senheizer, and a bit more flat in the Tascam. I figure it will be easier to lower the bass and raise the highs if I want to in post, and not as easy to make those mid range tones more vibrant. I returned the Tascam DR-10L and ordered the Tascam DR-10CS from CVP dot com (UK) for almost twice the price, because I wanted the Audio Line out with locking mechanism to potentially plug into a transmitter. Only down side is the 10CS doesn’t come with a Lav Mic and the firmware is different so that you only have L/M/H on levels setting rather than L/ML/M/MH/H on the 10L which was a big disappointment and I might rerun it and go back to the 10L since I’ll probably not end up transmitting, and having an extra Lav Mic would be nice. But the Senheizer Lav Mic upgrade was definitely worth it, however if you’re not super picky about your audio and don’t notice the smallest of subtleties and nuance in audio, you likely won’t notice much of a difference between the Tascam DR-10L included Lav mic and the Senheizer ME-II Lav mic.
Don’t tease me with this title!
Haha always teasing!
Oh! Someone is in Kansas City, I see.
YESSIR!
@@OliverJHughes nice, I wonder if our paths have crossed. I do video work in KC, mostly cheap corporate stuff, and Theater and improv.
I don't appreciate how you treated Pam while engaged to her...
I’m lost on this one 🤷🏻♂️
WAITTTT you think I look like Roy - I get it now. Yeah I was a dick to Pam, glad she’s with Jim now
@@OliverJHughes Hilarious. :).......Really enjoyed your review Oliver! Thanks.
Your audio is slightly over modulated.
Does it sound clipped? I haven’t listened to this video in a while but will. Appreciate the feedback
@@OliverJHughes Not bad...just a bit.
your camera man needs a tripod. badly. yes we get its a style but we came for info not a video that moves around for 10mins lol
Oliver, are you normalizing your UA-cam video audio? -16 LUFS? Your levels seems to jump all over the place.
They jump all over the place because I didn’t touch the audio signals for each mic-just a raw test. And no, I don’t normalize to -16, I just get the master as loud as possible without UA-cam turning it down!
GFFmatt do u know of a less expensive “set and forget” alternative to Izotope to normalize to accepted standards?
Oliver J Hughes If you don't want to touch the mic levels, and least lower your intro music down, it's very high compared to your voice levels.
I completely process and “touch” the mic levels. Except for the test signals) I don’t “normalize”-big difference. I go through a post production signal chain every time that ends up having dialogue peaks around -2 to -4 dbfs. And of course I adjust music to taste. And I personally like a big jump in music volume for the intro.
I think this first guys comment, a) misunderstands the purpose of normalization, he’s confusing it for compression (true normalization is about average loudness, it would have nothing to do with levels “jumping all over the place”, only compression can do that”. And b) is missing the point of a mic review.
You are the PRETTIEST film vlogger I've ever seen. Good review though! Downgrading from the RodeLinks now.
😊Wow that's a first and thank you.
I would fire your camera man, so underexposed
No much difference for me.