I'm a big aMSa fan, and Mang0's take is correct. aMSa was playing fucking incredible that tournament, and I definitely favored him to win over Mang0. But the dude looked lost. I remember thinking basically the same thing when Jmook figured out whoever it was, "welp, now this looks completely unwinnable again." aMSa was wrecking house at Summit and looked like he could win the whole thing and then Mang0 stopped him like a wall and made him play bad.
i'm not sure how anyone could look at the games and the wins aMSa was pulling out in this tournament (that iBDW win? c'mon) and say that he was playing poorly going into Mango. even in the crew battle i remember thinking "oh he's playing REAL well..."
Amsa fucked up by not warming up for mango, he said on commentary that the only thing he did before wf was watch the vod of him beating mango at tbh. His tech chases vs mango and ibdw suffered for it.
Mang0 played great, but Amsa didn't play his best against him. I can definitely buy that Mang0 just owned him in the neutral, but Amsa also was dropping many edgeguards that he was hitting earlier in the tournament.
Sitting in the crowd at Genesis this year was hard, but man, being a Mango fan thankfully means there are FAR MORE highs than lows. Thank you for all you do king
@@psyarts8687 I mean I guess if youve played since 2006 then the execution is automatic, but I started playing pretty recently and its still hard to play well consistently even if it is the current year.
Fox is simultaneously the easiest and hardest character in the game. On one hand, he has a lot of crazy techskill that is very hard. On the other hand, he racks up damage like crazy, and has free as fuck kill setups.
Summit 14 was already like the most entertaining tournament I’ve watched. All of my favorite top players were present and the side events were hilarious and so was the commentary. But then on top of it all Mango won with falco. This tournament was freaken awesome
I just got done watching the set. You closed that out quick surprisingly. Good stuff, IBDW almost had you at the very end. Good stuff either way. Congrats on winning Summit 14 🥭 Edit: That playboy jacket is fly af
I'll take you winnin over anything else but yeah given how easy it was I was more mildly happy than anything lmao. The most I was hyped the whole tourney was you vs Hbox doing that crazy shit. Mango fans were sweatin for sure after the 2 sds lmao.
From hating each other To "not" hating each other To ACTUALLY not hating each other all the time To being cool with one another To actual friendship moments here and there To "Hbox is my guy" and Juan telling Mang0 on stream after his last summit win that he's the goat in his book. What an arc, melee is anime
I feel like Mango is underrating Cody’s year by a lot, he has positive head to head records against everyone in the top 10* except Mango. He doesn’t really get upset ever, especially in the second half of the year (he lost a set to aMSa at Summit but their difference in seeding was 1, and he won the runback). He also has the same amount of major wins as Mango, and they’re all equivalent in terms of prestige (LTC = Phantom, Smash Con = Double Down, Summit 14 = Summit 13). And Mango has some great second places but Cody’s runs to 3rd at Genesis and TBH were very impressive also. Mango said it’s good for him if Cody takes Apex over Zain but actually I think he should be hoping for an aMSa or Hbox win because if Cody takes Apex he’s probably #2 above Mango, at least until whatever tourney happens next after that. *I’m considering top 10 to be Zain, Cody, Mango, Hbox, aMSa, Jmook, Leffen, Plup, Wizzrobe, Axe
Is this seeding or ranking? If it’s ranking for this year zain is easily 1 mango is 2 Cody is 3 hbox is 4 amsa is 5 jmook is 6 but I agree with this for seeding
one the the last takes from Mang, melee has money for no reason dont know where it is coming from. Easy, the skill ceiling is very high with all the unintended things one can do. Fast pace, the back story of the gods, the new gods. The story is great, Ultimate has G4 Leo, young spargo, 3 stocks and no crazy button sequences
To be fair, aMSa kinda did play like some hot ass in those last two sets lmao He was missing so much basic tech like wavedashes, missing edge guards, and missing tech chases. But also to be fair he didn't deserve to win if he's missing stuff like that
Imo, Amsa was actually playing hot but Mango's heat actually made Amsa play worse. Look at Amsa before he plays Mango. He was bodying people left and right. But then the Mango set came around and stopped his momentum.
This has been true of any rankings, at the end of the day if you have more tournament wins than the other person, then you are above them. There's a reason Jmook isn't higher right now. Jmook objectively has way better overall head2head and probably average placement than Hbox but he hasn't won so Hbox is above him.
Hbox case is: way more consistent year than mango who didnt make top 8 at the first three majors and not top4 for half the majors he entered this year. Same amount of major wins and hbox has two more second places.
Alternate title: Mang0 discovers you play half as many sets when you don't drop into losers first round.
I'm a big aMSa fan, and Mang0's take is correct. aMSa was playing fucking incredible that tournament, and I definitely favored him to win over Mang0. But the dude looked lost. I remember thinking basically the same thing when Jmook figured out whoever it was, "welp, now this looks completely unwinnable again." aMSa was wrecking house at Summit and looked like he could win the whole thing and then Mang0 stopped him like a wall and made him play bad.
i'm not sure how anyone could look at the games and the wins aMSa was pulling out in this tournament (that iBDW win? c'mon) and say that he was playing poorly going into Mango. even in the crew battle i remember thinking "oh he's playing REAL well..."
Amsa fucked up by not warming up for mango, he said on commentary that the only thing he did before wf was watch the vod of him beating mango at tbh. His tech chases vs mango and ibdw suffered for it.
Mang0 played great, but Amsa didn't play his best against him. I can definitely buy that Mang0 just owned him in the neutral, but Amsa also was dropping many edgeguards that he was hitting earlier in the tournament.
@@mynameisrandy he was missing his edgeguards bc he couldn't get a handle of the games. Amsa massively shit on every other Fox this Summit, it's crazy
At the end of the day, Mang0 played better than aMSa. That's all anyone has to care about.
That game 5 joke was savage
What game 5?
@@brennancasey7635 exactly
@@brennancasey7635 Game what?
Was average*
Mang0's ability to just pull tournament history from memory is impressive
Mang0's forgotten more about Melee history than we'll ever know
I mean yah he was there.
Sitting in the crowd at Genesis this year was hard, but man, being a Mango fan thankfully means there are FAR MORE highs than lows.
Thank you for all you do king
I wouldn't say there are far more highs, but the happiness we get from the highs definitely outweigh sadness we get from the lows
not gonna front that summit did look pretty easy for mang.
for real!! hope him and zain play soon though
He had some strong competitors, IBDW, HBox, Axe...
@@vyor8837 Did he play Axe? I might've missed that. Or did you mean Amsa? Either way yeah I agree I think he had strong opponents
@@newpairofboots Amsa, yeah, brainfart.
He said in the post win interview that he tried so hard, but he's here saying it was easy....which is it buddy
man you’re always number #1. don’t let these rankings fool you
Fox: *Has literally destroyed peoples hands from massive technical ceiling*
Mango: “Easy ass character”
It’s 2022 my man fox is not hard
@@psyarts8687 I mean I guess if youve played since 2006 then the execution is automatic, but I started playing pretty recently and its still hard to play well consistently even if it is the current year.
@@Yvs8962 hey congrats on picking up melee!
Fox is simultaneously the easiest and hardest character in the game. On one hand, he has a lot of crazy techskill that is very hard. On the other hand, he racks up damage like crazy, and has free as fuck kill setups.
If you're good technically fox is an easy character
The trophy is actually pretty sick.
yeah its dope. a trophy that you can actually play melee on is a cool concept too
I like how its very unique for a trophy too, cool looking and doesnt look like your average cup trophy- helps makes this summit feel special
the fact that it works???
Summit 14 was already like the most entertaining tournament I’ve watched. All of my favorite top players were present and the side events were hilarious and so was the commentary. But then on top of it all Mango won with falco. This tournament was freaken awesome
I gotta say, Mang0's combo game at summit was insane. He was just making up combos like he was freestyle rapping.
Honestly this summit just felt like Mang0 was "on to cincinnati " like the patriots back in the day. Was really awesome to see.
when he said cody warmed up with leffen before grands LMFAOOOO
Seemed like everyone else at Summit felt under pressure. Mean while Mang just looking at Summit like another Sunday evening.
Summit sets were like watching it all come together lowkey
I just got done watching the set. You closed that out quick surprisingly. Good stuff, IBDW almost had you at the very end. Good stuff either way. Congrats on winning Summit 14 🥭
Edit: That playboy jacket is fly af
I'll take you winnin over anything else but yeah given how easy it was I was more mildly happy than anything lmao. The most I was hyped the whole tourney was you vs Hbox doing that crazy shit. Mango fans were sweatin for sure after the 2 sds lmao.
Mango v HBox is always hype, no matter who wins
Bro I had hard EVO flashbacks when mango dropped from the ledge that second time
From hating each other
To "not" hating each other
To ACTUALLY not hating each other all the time
To being cool with one another
To actual friendship moments here and there
To "Hbox is my guy" and Juan telling Mang0 on stream after his last summit win that he's the goat in his book.
What an arc, melee is anime
Except Juan is wrong abput calling the Mang0 the GOAT lmao.
@@supernaturaltychoon3164 I mean the argument is def there, who's you're goat then?
Mang0's only argument is his longevity. Armada literally has the upperhand in everything else.
Long time Mango fan here - it was really fun watching you talk that shit after winning Summit so dominantly. The GOAT!
Bro the brb wait screen looks amazing
Congrats on summit goat!
mang is easily #2 if not #1 by the end of the year
He gotta win one more to be 2nd without doubt and prolly at least 2 more to be considered 1
Hbox and iBDW have much of an argument to be #2 as Mang0 lol. Saying that he's easily top 2 is such a bad take.
Joey wasn't lying. Should've won Big house.
If he got that fd game set 2 would’ve looked alike like the summit set imo.
I feel like Mango is underrating Cody’s year by a lot, he has positive head to head records against everyone in the top 10* except Mango. He doesn’t really get upset ever, especially in the second half of the year (he lost a set to aMSa at Summit but their difference in seeding was 1, and he won the runback). He also has the same amount of major wins as Mango, and they’re all equivalent in terms of prestige (LTC = Phantom, Smash Con = Double Down, Summit 14 = Summit 13). And Mango has some great second places but Cody’s runs to 3rd at Genesis and TBH were very impressive also. Mango said it’s good for him if Cody takes Apex over Zain but actually I think he should be hoping for an aMSa or Hbox win because if Cody takes Apex he’s probably #2 above Mango, at least until whatever tourney happens next after that.
*I’m considering top 10 to be Zain, Cody, Mango, Hbox, aMSa, Jmook, Leffen, Plup, Wizzrobe, Axe
Does this mean there’s gonna be another yard/mang episode?? I hope so mang0 and yard bois is a dope combo
Yup, mango confirmed they are filming it next week :)
Hell yea mango episodes are the best hard episodes! Also Atrioc episodes are the best too!
mang0 calling leff a clown is everythign LMAO
Mango may not get #1 for the year but he’s still the MVP
Poor Fizzwiggle, my man ruined the entire Melee narrative
10:35 just saving this sub alert cause it's sick
Melee is healthy when the GOAT is playing well!
Not even having a game 5 is some MJ never having a game 7 type GOAT shit
And now we get another podcast episode with the yard boys because you won another major, that's my streamer!!!
I can’t believe people still don’t think you’re the GOAT. You have to convince like 3 generations at this point lmao.
i hate trashtalking ppl but mang0 must be the only person on the planet that i'm fine with him doing that
Never forget Leffen put Yoshi as an S-tier character
Wait fr?? LMAO leffen moment
@Ravens Guy man's literally so far up his own bumhole lol
@Ravens Guy amen bro
Plupl Samus is SS-tier then 😂
Holy shit I was 5 years old when Mango started winning tourneys
Panda looking REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL stupid with how they ranked you a few months ago..
Mang0 on the yard is the banger I need
20:14 lmfao the reddit splooge
Congrats on the W mango. You looked clean.
I'm a firm believer that characters you play rub off on other characters you play.
Time to go back on The Yard
Somehow soonsay might’ve been the closest
1.Zain/Mango 3. Cody/Amsa 5. HBox 6.JMook. Good stuff on a dominant performance
I'd put HBox at 3 I think, Amsa at 4.
@@vyor8837 Cody 5th??
For the whole year 1. Zain 2. HBox 3. Mango.
Mango probably number 2 by the end of the year.
@@maxs.6517 He hasn't had too many good showings this year to my recollection.
Is this seeding or ranking? If it’s ranking for this year zain is easily 1 mango is 2 Cody is 3 hbox is 4 amsa is 5 jmook is 6 but I agree with this for seeding
We love a feisty Mang
I think there needs to be some kind of pro player smash ELO
honestly it's down to Mango and Zain for top 2 right now
Uh no it isnt lol. Hbox and iBDW are still #1 contenders. Recency bias is crazy
Glad to see you’ve really got the fire back I hate when you go through the emo phases you love melee don’t you squidward?
What I got out of this: There's more to Melee than placements, but also if you're not top 2 you basically suck.
You’re impressive humble mango
fuuuck yeah another Mango ep for the pod
"Hbox is my guy!"
- Mang0
Mango is definitely the GOAT!!
the new poker sub alert is so sick
Putting leffy on BLAST
one the the last takes from Mang, melee has money for no reason dont know where it is coming from. Easy, the skill ceiling is very high with all the unintended things one can do. Fast pace, the back story of the gods, the new gods. The story is great, Ultimate has G4 Leo, young spargo, 3 stocks and no crazy button sequences
Mango needs a win limit - Leffen probably
“My first year wasn’t that bad” … rattles off 6-7 losses to people outside top 8. Still my #1 goat
Need Zain vs mang miss the boys duking it out fr
To be fair, aMSa kinda did play like some hot ass in those last two sets lmao
He was missing so much basic tech like wavedashes, missing edge guards, and missing tech chases.
But also to be fair he didn't deserve to win if he's missing stuff like that
Imo, Amsa was actually playing hot but Mango's heat actually made Amsa play worse.
Look at Amsa before he plays Mango. He was bodying people left and right. But then the Mango set came around and stopped his momentum.
Apex frickin rules though. Not a bad idea to dabble a little into Apex!
Let's go Mango Falco Fans !!!!
Every time mango says something he says literally the exact opposite 5 minutes later
why people saying mango is washed still like he's going crazy this last year with some of my favorite hype moments for smash melee
The one and only, you the man M
Mangs not going to apex there’s one or more tournaments left for him this year right?
Hbox has farmed jmook for a year and claims he’s #1
Bruh he never claimed he's #1. He has Zain and Cody over him in the ranking that he just made.
@@supernaturaltychoon3164 🍆✊🏼💦
mangos falco is so hype
"Zain owns you"
*snaps* Ban that guy.
Yo these new sub notifs are sick
Mango would you say that you kept melee alive during the quiet years?
Mang go to apex my g to potentially secure a zain W which would make your argument for top 1 a lot stronger! And also could farm jmook and hbox
mang0 should go to apex considering he has never won one
I like that Mang0 is his own biggest fan
Falco puff mu is goat. Still waiting
my goat
We back in the mang0 Zain tier
There is one stat point that matters. Tournament wins. Fuck the other stats.
This has been true of any rankings, at the end of the day if you have more tournament wins than the other person, then you are above them. There's a reason Jmook isn't higher right now.
Jmook objectively has way better overall head2head and probably average placement than Hbox but he hasn't won so Hbox is above him.
How could #11 win this much tho? 🐬
lets go mango
Hbox case is: way more consistent year than mango who didnt make top 8 at the first three majors and not top4 for half the majors he entered this year. Same amount of major wins and hbox has two more second places.
Ay nice job man
THAT’S WHY HE’S THE GOAT. THE GOOOOAAT
MANGOAT
well done mang0
Top 3 has to be Zain, Mango, HBox with mango probably just edging it out over HBox for #2
Zain, iBDW, Hungrybox and then Mang0 in at 4th
It’s zain mang0 ibdw hbox then amsa
I just really cannot see Cody being 2nd. I could see an argument for 3 but if I’m being honest he’s probably #4.
Hbox is probably 5th or 4th
@@voodooedits785 this guy gets it
The bird is the word
Ride it out big guy
Anyone realizes he laughs like Goku
My GOAT MANGO 🤘
Lets goo champ 🤴
Mang0! Mang0! Mang0! Mang0! Mang0! Mang0!
Didn't know the trophy was a wii
Mang0 yard hype
I’m going to say it was Hugo😅
Rank 11 player just trying his best🤞
IMO the trophy is kinda wack…
ong fox is weenie hut jr
THE KID!!!
still got it
MANGONATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!