Kove 450 Rally, as well. For decades, the big motorcycle cartel ignored our pleas for a lightweight adventure oriented ADV bike with the power to cruise comfortably on the highway. I assume they wanted to protect the sales of their heavy and expensive mid and full size ADV bikes, and used their small ADV bikes to get us on the upgrade path.
*Cough cough*, the old Himalayan 411, the first affordable downsized ADV in decades... You simply cannot develop a bike within a few months and the Himalayan 450 was also well known long before CF Moto and Kove made waves. The CF Moto is actually even almost identical to the Royal Enfield. The Kove is rather sports oriented, which the BMW also seems to be, so my best guess is that it will actually be most comparable to that and the upcoming KTM 390.
They even painted the sides of the rims like the VOGE rallye. Those chinese are eating us for BF and the rest of the world doesn’t even (want to) realise. Bought KTM 890 Adv R + 690 Enduro R in 2024. Both will be for sale in 2025 latest. Dont trust the quality and after sales anymore
Between this and the refreshed DRZ, sounds like the upcoming years are shaping up to finally have something for fans of light-weight go-anywhere machines. Certainly gets me excited.
Compared to a 1250 they are. For bikes that don't measure maintenance intervals in hours, they are. You're right tho - lower-mid-weight? My bad, I should've specified for you guys out there that insist on comparing your admittedly awesome high strung feather-weight sport machine to a dual sport you don't have to trailer out to where you're riding ;)
Having just turned 70, I see it as an excellent exit level bike. I currently ride a Tiger 900 and would love to put more road oriented tires on it and have a sub 400lb.bike for my local off-road sessions. I would also love to see a 21” front wheel. Thanks for your efforts.
I love that they kept the weight of the G310GS and made it more off road capable, and more highway capable with 14 more horsepower. I hope they fixed the only thing I don't like about my G310GS - the 11 liter fuel tank. It needs to be 15-20 liters. It looks like BMW is no longer viewing their small GS as a cheap way to get new riders on the upgrade path to their heavier and more expensive F900GS and R1300GS, and finally realized that their customers want a lightweight ADV to use off road, and the heavy 900-1300 cc bikes can never be as good off road. Lighter is better off road for everyone, but many of BMW's existing customers are getting older and are no longer capable of man handling a heavy ADV bike. We need a lighter ADV bike, and older riders are more likely to have the discretionary income to pay for nicer features on a smaller bike. Smaller ADV bikes are not necessarily entry level bikes.
@@UltralightMotorcycleCamping Agree with your every word - it’s about time that the big manufacturers realised us experienced older riders want lighter weight adv bikes as capable as possible between road and off-road. The thought of dropping a 230kg + bike no longer appeals when you’re well north of 50 or 60.
Yes! Exactly what's needed and wanted. Loving seeing some sense in providing alternatives to too big, too heavy, too high and too expensive bikes and something you wouldn't be too weary of taking down an interesting looking trail when solo. Nice.
As an old BMW customer, I would love to have this as I don’t need some big touring GS. This is perfect for writing on the road and a little bit off-road. Price it right, and you’ve got a hit. Love it, and I’d like to have one next year.
Can't wait to get my hands on it. I have a rally raid 310gs I use for green lanes but it does lack the punch on the road. The 450 will be ideal. Will be trading in my gs800 adventure.
Someone at bmw is thinking.......IF, they keep this sexy (as is...) & bring these out WITHOUT down-specing the thing they will look back in time at this point as THE pivotal moment bmw motorcycles became the Future.
This is an amazing 450 concept and I'll cross my fingers they build it much like it is. Ride modes, cruise, tidy tail, good fuel capacity, and maybe a 21" front option. If they don't dilute the concept, I'll hurry down and buy one.
450 Twin? Well the concept looks outstanding to my eye. It looks light and purposeful. The photos look more off-road oriented, other than the fact of the twin versus a torquey single. Looks more like the G450X (BMW’s earlier 450) than the HP2. I think a 21” front and more dirt focus would be the way to go rather than thinking this will be a long range adventure bike. Street legal dual sport where the highway leg is to get to the dirt.
Dear BMW, if you wish add every bell & whistle you could imagine (and if needed add the neighbor's whistle also!) onto the 1300 or 1400 or 1500GS as a rich man's toy, but keep the 450 with just bare essential technology and BRING BACK rock solid reliability which was the hallmark of older BMWs, so that we not-so-rich men also can ride into the horizon or do some hardcore off-roading with peace of mind on a beautifully engineered motorcycle!
Not only entry level. As owner of a Yamaha MT 10 SP (2022) This bike still got may interest. It could be my perfect second bike as commuter and offroad bike. Just hope they don't fuck up the final production bike.
Finally!!!!!!! BMW should have acted on this years ago. This is not proactive but I’m still happy it’s finally coming. This is finally a BMW I’d want to buy. Just please keep the weight down!! The market doesn’t need another 600 lbs behemoth.
These 450s are the unicorns we’ve been asking for and there’s a lot of versatility in engineering types in that segment. Let’s just see what the price and tank size will be.
@@ogasi1798Depends what you are comparing it to. I ride a GSA that has 260kg. I think they are trying to make a light adventure bike, not a hard enduro or trials bike.
@motolover5697 well yeah, everything has perspective. They didn't say in comparison to, of course it is light compared to a gs or a DE etc, they goes without saying.
15kg less than the CF Moto 450. Aftermarket could probably shave off 3-5kg. That's as good as it's going to get. New KTM 390 is a 400cc single and will likely weight about the same.
Would be such a mistake not to have this with 18/21 wheel setup....is a 19" front wheel going to make that much of a difference for on-road feel and performance on a 450???
All that high end stuff but the rear brake calliper is from ‘bybre’ instead of brembo it makes me wonder if they’re actually targeting the upper end of the budget 450 adv segment rather than going against the Tourareg 660 and T7s
I figured the F850GS and F900GS went against the Tuareg660 and T7. This one has it's sights set on the KTM 390 ADV R, CFMoto 450MT, RE Himalayan 450, and the speculated Tuareg 457.
Thanks for the video. Can't say I like the look of it, but we'll see what happens when there's a good adventure version. Right now though, the new KTM 390 adventure r looks really interesting, and it's good looking.
BMW, please make a non-A2, HP version of this bike, 18/21 wheelset, as many horses and as light as possible, and with a wide range of seat heights starting at 825mm.
Here in India the small displacement ADV segment is getting very popular. we had the older KTM Adv 390 now the new version is about to make shore. The Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 is leading the segment. Also, present is the Yezdi Adventure. The BMW GS310 is also here and with this 450 GS it would be very interesting. Furthermore Triumph may be bringing a 400cc Tiger in India due to the record breaking success of their 400cc Scrambler and Speed models. Aprilia too has been seen testing a Tuareg 457.
I'm thinking of getting myself a adv390R but after seeing this I've doubts. When will the production bike be launched in India? How long should I be waiting for this to hit the showrooms brothers?
It *feels* like they are eschewing a bit of the traveling/touring chops in favor of off-road performance... that bench of a seat, no rear-passenger seat (as of yet), spoked tubeless wheels.. all feels very much like they are aiming for more competitive dirt performance than on-road. I could be wrong and would love to try it out.
Was always wishing for a feature loaded lightweight adv tourer from one of the leading brands...Now, If only they bring it to India with better pricing🤞
21/18 is definitely better off road, but the F450GS has a lot of ground clearance for a 19/17 bike and the 19/17 setup provides much better road performance and is a great choice for a true ADV bike that is at home on and off road.
@@motolover5697 I know, they actually did the most powerful you can have with an A2 license. But it's not the weight itself but the resulting power to weight ratio being strict, it's 0.2 kW / kg, which the new BMW almost perfectly hits.
This concept does look nice. Their current G310R and GS both look outdated. I am surprised they are going way over 400cc, but I'm not complaining. They do or should try to keep the price down, I could see this new GS going for close to 10k in North America, which will price a lot of entry level beginner people away from BMW. And I suspect there will be a F450G also for just a little bit less money .....I hope. Anyway, so far the concept looks good.
Yeah I understand, but I have a full license and would consider this anyway to have some fun in the dirt if it was lighter. 45 hp with 160kg would be quite doable. I don’t like Chinese motorcycles, so I would have loved to support a company like BMW, who I think make fantastic bikes. But the weight kills it for me.
I must speak the quiet part loud here.... What i think and wish is that this engine is built in collab with Norton owning Indian Brand "TVS" who are going to built Apache RR450 (Sports bike) just like current 310 series from BMW in India in competition against Aprilia 457 series for the Global Market. This update is long overdue. 🤌
Menos peso, 21 polegadas na roda da frente e suspensões com curso 230-240 mm seriam bem vindos. Tornar-se-ia a mota perfeita para viajar, em estrada e fora dela, por este o mundo fora. Seria a verdadeira GS.
Why do they keep destroying bike for the stupid A2 license category??? 48 max HP, AND 175Kg MINIMUM weight!! Heavier bikes are dangerous! FFS law makers.
@imonbanerjee2997 To my 30y experience riding fast, the lighter the bike the safer it is. Either before or while falling... That excludes some very rare ultra strong side winds where heavy bikes are better. But most of the distanxes are covered in or around cities or mountains, not highways. Especially with low power bikes, and there low weight equals safety. You can also delete yourself regardless of horsepower. All that we decide to go fast on public roads of any kind, play with our luck anyway. It is the driver that will take risks, not the bike. And you can take risks even with a 250cc.
@@constantinosschinas4503 you are entirely correct. You also have 30 years of riding experience. An average A2 license holder will not. It is probably better to learn on a slow middleweight bike with low power to weight ratio. Ask me and the top HP for A2 should be 25 with with max torque at 4000 rpm and a 150kg weight. But who listens to me.
@@imonbanerjee2997 Obviously my arguments include myself riding as a noob. Most accidents happen in low speed zones ie. traffic. There, you can go triple the logical speed, even with an 125CC. But the problem here is not why bikes should be different for noobs, is why all manufactures adhere all their bikes to the A2 standards, destroying one of the best bike category, just for a bunch of noobs and that, only for 2 years of riding. Are these noobs such a big part of the market? Would it be a disaster if a couple of models on each brand are not A2 compliant? Why they release either racing bikes or A2 bikes? Anything in the middle for the masses?
@@constantinosschinas4503 I don't have an answer to most of your questions. But if someone told me that most of A2 license holders never move to A1 I would believe that. That also means they don't ride enough to bother. Which in turn means that they never gain any experience which in turn yada yada yada. Btw, I think dirtbikes and small commuters are what you are saying by "other bikes". And I think if you look at South or SE Asian countries, there are quite a bit of lightweight commuters. I don't know if you are familiar with the TVS Apache RtR 200 or Pulsar N400 but they are fantastic bikes which you would also like. When bikes move from being a luxury to being a household item, then and only then manufacturers would address general issues. As long as it stays a novelty, it will remain a big bulking imposing monolith.
The 400-450 cc is bonkers right now and I´m here for it!!! Being a motorcyclist in 2024 is amazing.
explain to a non motorcyclist why
Looks like the introduction of the CF Moto 450 MT has pushed manufacturers into this sector. The more the better.
Kove 450 Rally, as well. For decades, the big motorcycle cartel ignored our pleas for a lightweight adventure oriented ADV bike with the power to cruise comfortably on the highway. I assume they wanted to protect the sales of their heavy and expensive mid and full size ADV bikes, and used their small ADV bikes to get us on the upgrade path.
Anything less than the weight/power of the kove 450 is a waste of time.... Let's hope ...
So we’re going to ignore the role of Himalayan 450 in revive interest in this untapped segment?
*Cough cough*, the old Himalayan 411, the first affordable downsized ADV in decades...
You simply cannot develop a bike within a few months and the Himalayan 450 was also well known long before CF Moto and Kove made waves.
The CF Moto is actually even almost identical to the Royal Enfield.
The Kove is rather sports oriented, which the BMW also seems to be, so my best guess is that it will actually be most comparable to that and the upcoming KTM 390.
They even painted the sides of the rims like the VOGE rallye. Those chinese are eating us for BF and the rest of the world doesn’t even (want to) realise. Bought KTM 890 Adv R + 690 Enduro R in 2024. Both will be for sale in 2025 latest. Dont trust the quality and after sales
anymore
Looks like an awesome bike , hope BMW do produce it
In USA I would buy that tomorrow, have been waiting for years for a bike like that!!!
Meeee toooo!
Yeah, I think the 310 is a little anemic.
Between this and the refreshed DRZ, sounds like the upcoming years are shaping up to finally have something for fans of light-weight go-anywhere machines. Certainly gets me excited.
This is not lightweight, nor the new drz
Compared to a 1250 they are.
For bikes that don't measure maintenance intervals in hours, they are. You're right tho - lower-mid-weight? My bad, I should've specified for you guys out there that insist on comparing your admittedly awesome high strung feather-weight sport machine to a dual sport you don't have to trailer out to where you're riding ;)
Having just turned 70, I see it as an excellent exit level bike. I currently ride a Tiger 900 and would love to put more road oriented tires on it and have a sub 400lb.bike for my local off-road sessions. I would also love to see a 21” front wheel. Thanks for your efforts.
I love that they kept the weight of the G310GS and made it more off road capable, and more highway capable with 14 more horsepower. I hope they fixed the only thing I don't like about my G310GS - the 11 liter fuel tank. It needs to be 15-20 liters. It looks like BMW is no longer viewing their small GS as a cheap way to get new riders on the upgrade path to their heavier and more expensive F900GS and R1300GS, and finally realized that their customers want a lightweight ADV to use off road, and the heavy 900-1300 cc bikes can never be as good off road. Lighter is better off road for everyone, but many of BMW's existing customers are getting older and are no longer capable of man handling a heavy ADV bike. We need a lighter ADV bike, and older riders are more likely to have the discretionary income to pay for nicer features on a smaller bike. Smaller ADV bikes are not necessarily entry level bikes.
exactly
Exactly this, as a fellow 310 owner, bigger tank and a bit more power would be lovely.
@@UltralightMotorcycleCamping Agree with your every word - it’s about time that the big manufacturers realised us experienced older riders want lighter weight adv bikes as capable as possible between road and off-road. The thought of dropping a 230kg + bike no longer appeals when you’re well north of 50 or 60.
Should be much more expensive than the rest of the competition
Yes! Exactly what's needed and wanted. Loving seeing some sense in providing alternatives to too big, too heavy, too high and too expensive bikes and something you wouldn't be too weary of taking down an interesting looking trail when solo. Nice.
I'm falling in love with this bike!!!
I like the 19” front wheel. I can’t wait too long for this bike as I’m 75 now. I’m coming from a 1200GS.
As an old BMW customer, I would love to have this as I don’t need some big touring GS. This is perfect for writing on the road and a little bit off-road. Price it right, and you’ve got a hit. Love it, and I’d like to have one next year.
Don’t change it ,it looks awsom 🤟
Man it's awesome I need it now❤
Can't wait to get my hands on it. I have a rally raid 310gs I use for green lanes but it does lack the punch on the road. The 450 will be ideal. Will be trading in my gs800 adventure.
That looks fabulous! Thanks for making these videos in English
Power and weight around G650GS I think. Nice to have a twin and BMW wheelset and suspension.
Someone at bmw is thinking.......IF, they keep this sexy (as is...) & bring these out WITHOUT down-specing the thing they will look back in time at this point as THE pivotal moment bmw motorcycles became the Future.
This is an amazing 450 concept and I'll cross my fingers they build it much like it is. Ride modes, cruise, tidy tail, good fuel capacity, and maybe a 21" front option. If they don't dilute the concept, I'll hurry down and buy one.
450 Twin? Well the concept looks outstanding to my eye. It looks light and purposeful. The photos look more off-road oriented, other than the fact of the twin versus a torquey single. Looks more like the G450X (BMW’s earlier 450) than the HP2. I think a 21” front and more dirt focus would be the way to go rather than thinking this will be a long range adventure bike. Street legal dual sport where the highway leg is to get to the dirt.
Dear BMW, if you wish add every bell & whistle you could imagine (and if needed add the neighbor's whistle also!) onto the 1300 or 1400 or 1500GS as a rich man's toy, but keep the 450 with just bare essential technology and BRING BACK rock solid reliability which was the hallmark of older BMWs, so that we not-so-rich men also can ride into the horizon or do some hardcore off-roading with peace of mind on a beautifully engineered motorcycle!
By the time this comes to a production bike, it will be way less impressive and we wont see it for a few years yet. Pity...
Stop teasing BMW, 21/18 wheel would be the icing on the cake. No electronic gimmicks even better.
Wicked looking, let’s just hope it’s as good as it looks. If it’s got a 48bhp 270 crank twin motor with CC they’ve got a guaranteed winner.
Not only entry level. As owner of a Yamaha MT 10 SP (2022) This bike still got may interest. It could be my perfect second bike as commuter and offroad bike. Just hope they don't fuck up the final production bike.
I politely say subscribed. Very informative videos 👍
Finally!!!!!!! BMW should have acted on this years ago. This is not proactive but I’m still happy it’s finally coming. This is finally a BMW I’d want to buy. Just please keep the weight down!! The market doesn’t need another 600 lbs behemoth.
21" front wheel would have been nice
bingo
They’ve been doing alright with the 19 inch; putting a 21 inch would’ve been appealing to niche market
It will be great if they put a 21'' wheel on the front.
100%
But won’t be
I have an HP2 Enduro...and this is its baby. Please make a 21" front wheel version BMW.
450 has nothing to do with "entry level" or "beginner bike". It's the perfect weight/power/size ratio for an all purpose bike.
It looks great but I can not see the rear turn indicators in this concept.
Their last attempt at a 450 went so well . Fine, fine. Make a 450xr, and I'm in.
The design in my opinion is fantastic! Tks
These 450s are the unicorns we’ve been asking for and there’s a lot of versatility in engineering types in that segment. Let’s just see what the price and tank size will be.
175kg is not light for a 450 - not even close
It is as light as the rules for A2 permit.
@motolover5697 I know, just saying it's not light as the chap in the video said it was, 175 is heavy in any world
@@ogasi1798Depends what you are comparing it to. I ride a GSA that has 260kg. I think they are trying to make a light adventure bike, not a hard enduro or trials bike.
@motolover5697 well yeah, everything has perspective. They didn't say in comparison to, of course it is light compared to a gs or a DE etc, they goes without saying.
15kg less than the CF Moto 450. Aftermarket could probably shave off 3-5kg. That's as good as it's going to get. New KTM 390 is a 400cc single and will likely weight about the same.
Would be such a mistake not to have this with 18/21 wheel setup....is a 19" front wheel going to make that much of a difference for on-road feel and performance on a 450???
Bike is spot on.
All that high end stuff but the rear brake calliper is from ‘bybre’ instead of brembo it makes me wonder if they’re actually targeting the upper end of the budget 450 adv segment rather than going against the Tourareg 660 and T7s
I figured the F850GS and F900GS went against the Tuareg660 and T7.
This one has it's sights set on the KTM 390 ADV R, CFMoto 450MT, RE Himalayan 450, and the speculated Tuareg 457.
175kg is disappointing, my Husqvarna 701 enduro is just 147kg (and heaps of power 74HP)
But it’s not a2 licence compliant.
And it's a thumper dual sport? Different class bike.
Thanks for the video. Can't say I like the look of it, but we'll see what happens when there's a good adventure version. Right now though, the new KTM 390 adventure r looks really interesting, and it's good looking.
like the 310 gs production ?
BMW, please make a non-A2, HP version of this bike, 18/21 wheelset, as many horses and as light as possible, and with a wide range of seat heights starting at 825mm.
Fantastic!!!
CF Moto is to motorcycles what Honda was to car makers back in the 80s! I love my Ibex 800T!!
Perfect !
hopefully a more off road version coming with a 21 inch front wheel
it is awesome, what is the seat height? please somebody tell me and I will start to save money to buy it in 2025 !! Hope it has not too much height...
I might Bring My Wallet for this one.
Here in India the small displacement ADV segment is getting very popular. we had the older KTM Adv 390 now the new version is about to make shore. The Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 is leading the segment. Also, present is the Yezdi Adventure. The BMW GS310 is also here and with this 450 GS it would be very interesting. Furthermore Triumph may be bringing a 400cc Tiger in India due to the record breaking success of their 400cc Scrambler and Speed models. Aprilia too has been seen testing a Tuareg 457.
Himalayan 450 is too heavy for the horse power it has. Not a bad bike, but why not riding a CRF300l / Rally instead.
@@n03m9 We don't get CRFs in India
@@n03m9 not available in india and yes himalayan 450 is very heavy but a lighter rally version is in the works
I'm thinking of getting myself a adv390R but after seeing this I've doubts. When will the production bike be launched in India? How long should I be waiting for this to hit the showrooms brothers?
@@xgamershub KTM will probably launch ADV390R around mid 2025. This new GS450 will take almost 2 years. It is only a concept so far.
One of the most important is the bike weight
Love it!
It *feels* like they are eschewing a bit of the traveling/touring chops in favor of off-road performance... that bench of a seat, no rear-passenger seat (as of yet), spoked tubeless wheels.. all feels very much like they are aiming for more competitive dirt performance than on-road. I could be wrong and would love to try it out.
Was always wishing for a feature loaded lightweight adv tourer from one of the leading brands...Now, If only they bring it to India with better pricing🤞
Would buy that now!❤
That looks amazing. Here’s hoping they don’t water it down.
Wheels should be 21/18 and hope the weight of 175kg is full of fuel, otherwise too heavy.
21/18 is definitely better off road, but the F450GS has a lot of ground clearance for a 19/17 bike and the 19/17 setup provides much better road performance and is a great choice for a true ADV bike that is at home on and off road.
I've read the 175kg is the actual wet weight!
@@easy8077 175kg is the lower limit for the European A2 category and the 48 horse power the upper.
@@motolover5697 I know, they actually did the most powerful you can have with an A2 license.
But it's not the weight itself but the resulting power to weight ratio being strict, it's 0.2 kW / kg, which the new BMW almost perfectly hits.
I want one
Did someone know how much this bike will cost in Europe?
The superb Cfmoto 450MT is hard to match, will BMW get near the £6,700 price tag?
Amazing
This concept does look nice. Their current G310R and GS both look outdated. I am surprised they are going way over 400cc, but I'm not complaining. They do or should try to keep the price down, I could see this new GS going for close to 10k in North America, which will price a lot of entry level beginner people away from BMW. And I suspect there will be a F450G also for just a little bit less money .....I hope.
Anyway, so far the concept looks good.
Looks Amazing 😊
Will make the 2025 KTM 390 Adventure R....Irrelevant 😅
Finally 👏🏻👏🏻💯💯💯💯💯
Looks awesome atleast
I hate that I saw this bike, i was set on the Suzuki or the 390 Adventure R... now I'm looking hard at this.
BMW G 310 GS: "Am I a joke to you?"
Why a 19'' front wheel and not 21''
Amber offer a plushy seat for touring. I’d die on that seat after an hour
I would buy that if that was available now
I want one I want one I want one. 😮😊😮😊
wow! make this happen please.
It needs to be a single.
Let's hope for a 20th Anniversary HP2 1300 Boxer in 2026
r18 con motor de la 1200 ya
TAKE MY MONEY
For sure the bmw will be very exspensive as usual and for sure made in chynaa !
175 kg is too much! At 160kg or less I would be all over this!
Check the A2 rules!
Yeah I understand, but I have a full license and would consider this anyway to have some fun in the dirt if it was lighter. 45 hp with 160kg would be quite doable. I don’t like Chinese motorcycles, so I would have loved to support a company like BMW, who I think make fantastic bikes. But the weight kills it for me.
@@PimRademacher get a real hard enduro bike or a trials bike. Why would one want to buy an adventure bike for doing hard offroad rides?
Firing order? That means a twin ??
frame looks like a tvs rtr 310
I must speak the quiet part loud here....
What i think and wish is that this engine is built in collab with Norton owning Indian Brand "TVS" who are going to built Apache RR450 (Sports bike) just like current 310 series from BMW in India in competition against Aprilia 457 series for the Global Market. This update is long overdue. 🤌
Make it 18/21, 65hp, and most important of all,
So a fantasy. 😂
Menos peso, 21 polegadas na roda da frente e suspensões com curso 230-240 mm seriam bem vindos. Tornar-se-ia a mota perfeita para viajar, em estrada e fora dela, por este o mundo fora. Seria a verdadeira GS.
They should bring back the x 450 road legal enduro, that was a sweet bike
Sweeeet!
Dakar winner!
Why do they keep destroying bike for the stupid A2 license category??? 48 max HP, AND 175Kg MINIMUM weight!! Heavier bikes are dangerous! FFS law makers.
They are also more stable on road. Which is a reasonable ask
@imonbanerjee2997 To my 30y experience riding fast, the lighter the bike the safer it is. Either before or while falling... That excludes some very rare ultra strong side winds where heavy bikes are better. But most of the distanxes are covered in or around cities or mountains, not highways. Especially with low power bikes, and there low weight equals safety. You can also delete yourself regardless of horsepower. All that we decide to go fast on public roads of any kind, play with our luck anyway. It is the driver that will take risks, not the bike. And you can take risks even with a 250cc.
@@constantinosschinas4503 you are entirely correct. You also have 30 years of riding experience. An average A2 license holder will not.
It is probably better to learn on a slow middleweight bike with low power to weight ratio. Ask me and the top HP for A2 should be 25 with with max torque at 4000 rpm and a 150kg weight. But who listens to me.
@@imonbanerjee2997 Obviously my arguments include myself riding as a noob. Most accidents happen in low speed zones ie. traffic. There, you can go triple the logical speed, even with an 125CC. But the problem here is not why bikes should be different for noobs, is why all manufactures adhere all their bikes to the A2 standards, destroying one of the best bike category, just for a bunch of noobs and that, only for 2 years of riding. Are these noobs such a big part of the market? Would it be a disaster if a couple of models on each brand are not A2 compliant? Why they release either racing bikes or A2 bikes? Anything in the middle for the masses?
@@constantinosschinas4503 I don't have an answer to most of your questions. But if someone told me that most of A2 license holders never move to A1 I would believe that. That also means they don't ride enough to bother. Which in turn means that they never gain any experience which in turn yada yada yada.
Btw, I think dirtbikes and small commuters are what you are saying by "other bikes". And I think if you look at South or SE Asian countries, there are quite a bit of lightweight commuters. I don't know if you are familiar with the TVS Apache RtR 200 or Pulsar N400 but they are fantastic bikes which you would also like.
When bikes move from being a luxury to being a household item, then and only then manufacturers would address general issues. As long as it stays a novelty, it will remain a big bulking imposing monolith.
Get back to us when they start selling them.
I would happily pay a $2.5-3k premium for the BMW over the Himalayan 450, the bike I'd say is the current segmant leader.
Looks top heavy
Long travel, suspensions are always gonna appear top having no matter what you do
Lets hope it is NOT for 5 footers 😂
BMW Keep it simple you will sell more.
If it has 19"/17", 174-178Kgs, 48bhp-45NmTorque Then its Great, 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
A 450cc bike with 19 inch front wheel doesn’t make sense. So close…
"baby" GS heards dumb. What is it in your mind to use this term?
Supermoto version please!
this is what we want not 35000 dollar 260kg pigs---bring us the 450
19/17 wheels - Why!? Could have been great, but I lost interest in the bike totally. Give us 21/18 wheels BMW Motorrad!
19" wheel failure 😢
Looks cool, too bad its a BMW 😂😂😂