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Ordered it the day you posted this and they keep moving the shipping. Says end of the month but no communication on their end, getting to Analogue level waiting
The concept of this device is really cool while also leaving a smaller footprint on your already more-than-likely crowed game setup lol. I do think it was a HUGE missed opportunity by not adding RGB or HDMI to this system though. Since the board is custom designed yet occupied by genuine chipsets they could have easily added RGB functionality by adding a couple more chips and a SNES multi video out port to the back. It probably would've made the entire package a bit more expensive, but you're already paying over $200 for one of these things so an extra $50 or so wouldn't have made much a difference.
I completely, one hundred percent, agree with you. IMHO; This product comes across as a high dollar, "value added" NES console, but the most important "value" component was not "added". Still, it is a nicely crafted and overall a clean looking unit, however for the $220.00-plus price tag, it really needs to have HDMI connectivity in my mind, to justify its premium price. Just my $0.02...
The original Analogue NT used original CPU & PPU I’m pretty sure from harvested from NES consoles. I have one and it’s pretty awesome. It came with composite but Analogue created a HDMI board that was fitted inside and offered it and the install it for free to the owners of the original NT
I like this new NES clone, it’s kind of cool. I bought an original NES from my friend and I love playing it, however as much as I love it, the games are slowly becoming harder to play on it, no matter how many times I clean them out with alcohol, they’re slowly starting to become harder to play on it. Today I bought the Retron 5, as it plays so many cartridges, and the cool thing about it is it plays Gameboy games on your tv. I can’t wait to hook it up. I’m keeping my original NES for nostalgia reasons and just in case the new system doesn’t work for some reason.
As a player/collector I appreciate the "play how you want to play" mindset. I play what I collect, play what is uncollectable, but always play Rammstein.
I actually got a AV Famicom and a line doubling Nintendo cable off AliExpress and it works way better than I thought it would. I think it’s a slightly more affordable way to get access to clean authentic NES via an adapter and Famicom games
These are the videos I really enjoy @Madlittlepixel !!! Although I still have my Analogue NT Noir, (That floppy slot has been fixed) I love to see new products! Especially one which support original hardware... Reminds me of Frankenstein's Monster lol... But, yea, I'm gonna wait a bit but, I may have to pic one up!🤔
I'd argue that the NSO service is another good (albeit limited) way of playing NES games. Especially if you have a the official wireless controllers or the 8BitDo N30 (like I have). After all, it introduced me to some hidden games such as Nightshade and Fire & Ice. That being said, it's awesome to see something like this out in the wild and even more awesome to see the NES get some love in 2023. It's truly a goated system.
What makes me happy is playing physical copies... I love grabbing a cartridge from my collection and just pop it in and play it... Physical media always...
It's nice to see Mario in his proper colours on a clone console, it's a shame about the video output, even RGB is obsolete on many TVs now, so the scaler is the way to go, I always say you get what you pay for, and this looks the best option , apart from the Mini Nes itself, a great video to start my Saturday morning off 👍
Probably the biggest turn off is the composite video. If it were HDMI, that would be a better selling point in my opinion but it is nice that we have so many options to play retro games. Just like I love the look and size of the Retron HD but I wish it was full 1080p and not just 720p.
Just got one of these things yesterday. I know that you did this review like over 9 months ago. Honestly I see people pay crazy money for top loaders that have native RF. In all honesty I'd rather have one of these. The best thing is if I play FDS Zelda or FDS Metroid through my everdrive I get the great sound! Whoever Daniel from talldog is, I would shake his hand and buy him a beer. I love this console.
Do you think you could cover the Famicom adapter? I have yet to see a clone using a adapter that felt comfortable to use. That would really sway me if it worked well. My Famicom works fine. But its showing signs of wear. I would love to replace it with a newer system.
I’m curious if there ever gonna be a PS2 clone console with HD upscaling,better sound and lightgun support.Or that Sony brings a “PS2 mini”with at least 50 games on it.
"So what is a Tiny NES? Well essentially it's a tiny NES." -MLP Believe it or not but I actually don't have an NES. However, lately i have been building custom NES controllers and i don't have a NES to test them on 🤣 I decided this would be a great bench system to test my controllers. Any recommendations on one of those cheap "Ali" multi-carts?
I got the eject adapter with mine, which is really nice. Also the famicom adapter. This is now my only way to play NES/Famicom games on my little CRT. 😁
I doubt there will be an N64 mini. Apart from mario64 and mariocart all the best games were by developers like rare who won't be able to licence their games to Nintendo at this point. There really aren't many must have and fondly remembered games , I'm betting they just couldn't get enough of the good ones to make it attractive to consumers. Add to that it didn't sell very well compared to the competition so the market is much smaller. Also, the graphics have aged very badly. The SNES,pc engine, neogeo and megadrive sprite based gfx are almost timeless but early 3d just looks horrible nowadays, especially on modern TV's. The emulation hardware will be more expensive and the software will be tricky to get 100%. So no, I don't think it will happen anytime soon.
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It does, with an adapter, just like the original hardware. You can buy the adapter along with the device, it's slightly smaller than what you'd get for a NES and the cartridge will face backwards to save space.
Awesome project! The composite video looks amazing and because it uses real chips it is superior to even the MiSTer in that regard. Giving it some design thoughts: might be advantageous to put the cartridge port at the back but with a 90 degree socket. That way the cartridge would lay on top. An hdmi micro/mini socket could also fit on the back panel. That would make this thing perfect IMO.
It’s a bit pricey for me but it looks really cool Btw the best way to play your retro games is whatever way works best for you, don’t let gatekeeping purists tell you otherwise
considering adding HDMI to a NES is such a hack, going with a mister is the better option. But IMO composite is the way to go for a more authentic experience.
I’m super interested in this but not sure if I can justify it since I already have a Mini NT Noir. Do you still think it’s still worth getting with that in mind?
Same boat here. I'm leaning more toward no than yes. Shipped this thing is $250, half the cost of the Noir with far less than half the features. FOMO sucks.
I'm in the camp that composite only stuff shouldn't be released in 2023. TV manufactures should do us a favor and stop putting composite input on TVs. Then this might stop.
I almost bought one of these. But I had already bought an analogue pocket and a Evercade vs. Already have tons of ways to play nes, so I talked myself out of it. Regrets were made
No man, you did good. I'm in the exact same boat. At the end of the day I *know* this would end up on a shelf or in its box. The MiSTer is 100% as good as this, and as it already has RGB / HDMI it's already better. The only thing you're "missing out" on is using real carts, but lets be honest - we're just going to use an Everdrive N8 anyway haha. I honestly don't know who this is for. The ONLY appeal is the real CPU/GPU, as the output is laughably composite only. If there's RGB down the line, it'll cost a pretty penny for sure and even then it'll only be catching up to the MiSTer. Don't regret not buying this.
I like it’s unique and pleasing compact style, I wouldn’t knock anyone for getting it even at that price point. That said if you are playing on anything other than an old school CRT tv with composite connections, I can’t see a reason for purchasing this over the totally awesome retroUSB AVS with HDMI output.
RGB (actually component) separates the video signal into three channels - Y (Luma), Pr (Red - Y), and Pb (Blue - Y), while Composite composes them into a single signal. RGB/component gives you better color reproduction than composite and stops some visual artifacts like dot crawl. There's also S-Video (not an option here) that separates the signal into two channels - Chroma (color) and Luma (brightness) that sits in between in video quality.
You’re asking “Who is this for?” But I am actually pretty confused. Like your monitor, composite is not on most devices nowadays. Using the genuine parts means there was an NES destroyed somewhere to give it’s chips to that system. Is that preservation? This is a topic very open to discussion, but just don’t understand this one at all. If you’re a purist, would real hardware be the whole point? 🤔
If its open source I would wait a bit until the Chinese versions appear on Amazon for a third of the price. Also, not including rgb out of the box for that price is a bit stingy tbh.
@@grafxgear Possibly create a disk drive interface that uses that port. Maybe other stuff. They likely created schematics and prototypes that used that port even if they didn't release them.
@@neophytealpha It's just a copy of the cartridge slot pin out. If it was important it would have been done in the last 30 years. There is nothing that exp port does that you can't just do through the cartridge slot.
No HDMi and No sd car or usb? Cartridge only? really for over $200 and no joysticks, ummmm never, way too many other systems on the market can do what this can do an much more for like 1/3rd the price.
$200 and doesn't have any more real functionality than a standard NES/AV Famicom? Who is this for? Like why would you buy this over an original system (Cheaper) or AVS (HDMI output)?
An original NES cost less than this. It's a waste of money. Either go for the original or get a emulator device like an Ambernic. At least those can play up PS1 games close to perfection.
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Hey bro this is neat. Should get yours WATA graded 😂
Ordered it the day you posted this and they keep moving the shipping. Says end of the month but no communication on their end, getting to Analogue level waiting
The concept of this device is really cool while also leaving a smaller footprint on your already more-than-likely crowed game setup lol. I do think it was a HUGE missed opportunity by not adding RGB or HDMI to this system though. Since the board is custom designed yet occupied by genuine chipsets they could have easily added RGB functionality by adding a couple more chips and a SNES multi video out port to the back. It probably would've made the entire package a bit more expensive, but you're already paying over $200 for one of these things so an extra $50 or so wouldn't have made much a difference.
RGB is coming. They are still testing it
@@xferone Very cool! I'd look forward to a device like that. 😉👍
For real, I'd just buy an AV Famicom first. It would have taken all of a cheap CPLD to have enabled HDMI. Who is this for?
I completely, one hundred percent, agree with you. IMHO; This product comes across as a high dollar, "value added" NES console, but the most important "value" component was not "added". Still, it is a nicely crafted and overall a clean looking unit, however for the $220.00-plus price tag, it really needs to have HDMI connectivity in my mind, to justify its premium price. Just my $0.02...
Composite in 2023. I still can't believe I'm seeing this. I'll go with the NT or AVS. This is a total rip-off for that price.
I'd take this over FPGA in a heartbeat if it had hdmi or at least some kind of other output option
AV Famicom is still the better buy if you want HDMI output and real cart support.
I like how you show everyone the different options. Thanks for the videos
The original Analogue NT used original CPU & PPU I’m pretty sure from harvested from NES consoles. I have one and it’s pretty awesome. It came with composite but Analogue created a HDMI board that was fitted inside and offered it and the install it for free to the owners of the original NT
Awesome option. If it had an HDMI out, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Yes. I feel the same.
Nailed it 👍
I like this new NES clone, it’s kind of cool. I bought an original NES from my friend and I love playing it, however as much as I love it, the games are slowly becoming harder to play on it, no matter how many times I clean them out with alcohol, they’re slowly starting to become harder to play on it. Today I bought the Retron 5, as it plays so many cartridges, and the cool thing about it is it plays Gameboy games on your tv. I can’t wait to hook it up. I’m keeping my original NES for nostalgia reasons and just in case the new system doesn’t work for some reason.
As a player/collector I appreciate the "play how you want to play" mindset. I play what I collect, play what is uncollectable, but always play Rammstein.
I actually got a AV Famicom and a line doubling Nintendo cable off AliExpress and it works way better than I thought it would. I think it’s a slightly more affordable way to get access to clean authentic NES via an adapter and Famicom games
Man, @Madlittlepixel your NES is clean. Did you have that cleaned and retro-bride applied or is it still original? Well done.
These are the videos I really enjoy @Madlittlepixel !!! Although I still have my Analogue NT Noir, (That floppy slot has been fixed) I love to see new products! Especially one which support original hardware... Reminds me of Frankenstein's Monster lol... But, yea, I'm gonna wait a bit but, I may have to pic one up!🤔
200+ dollars for that? NO SALE.
It should at least have RGB component or HDMI output options.
Thanks for sharing! This thing is cool but I'm very happy with my AVS. I like that it's using original parts but not having HDMI wouldn't work for me.
I'd argue that the NSO service is another good (albeit limited) way of playing NES games. Especially if you have a the official wireless controllers or the 8BitDo N30 (like I have). After all, it introduced me to some hidden games such as Nightshade and Fire & Ice.
That being said, it's awesome to see something like this out in the wild and even more awesome to see the NES get some love in 2023. It's truly a goated system.
0:50 legit the best mentality I heard
What makes me happy is playing physical copies... I love grabbing a cartridge from my collection and just pop it in and play it... Physical media always...
Awesome video. Ur missing the Analogue NT to complete ur nes collection. Lol. I know you had it before. 😏
It's nice to see Mario in his proper colours on a clone console, it's a shame about the video output, even RGB is obsolete on many TVs now, so the scaler is the way to go, I always say you get what you pay for, and this looks the best option , apart from the Mini Nes itself, a great video to start my Saturday morning off 👍
Yes I do have a retro nes game console with 500 games on it and I play it alot more than my Nintendo Switch lite!
TallDog should be celebrated for creating an open-sourced NES system. If I had the money, I'd definitely support them.
Probably the biggest turn off is the composite video. If it were HDMI, that would be a better selling point in my opinion but it is nice that we have so many options to play retro games.
Just like I love the look and size of the Retron HD but I wish it was full 1080p and not just 720p.
Hmm.. wonder if it's possible to HDMI mod the tiny NES? It is open sourced
Just got one of these things yesterday. I know that you did this review like over 9 months ago. Honestly I see people pay crazy money for top loaders that have native RF. In all honesty I'd rather have one of these. The best thing is if I play FDS Zelda or FDS Metroid through my everdrive I get the great sound! Whoever Daniel from talldog is, I would shake his hand and buy him a beer. I love this console.
Do you think you could cover the Famicom adapter? I have yet to see a clone using a adapter that felt comfortable to use. That would really sway me if it worked well. My Famicom works fine. But its showing signs of wear. I would love to replace it with a newer system.
I’m curious if there ever gonna be a PS2 clone console with HD upscaling,better sound and lightgun support.Or that Sony brings a “PS2 mini”with at least 50 games on it.
PS2 could use an HDMI 1080p upgrade.
Think wata will grade that?
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Believe it or not but I actually don't have an NES. However, lately i have been building custom NES controllers and i don't have a NES to test them on 🤣 I decided this would be a great bench system to test my controllers. Any recommendations on one of those cheap "Ali" multi-carts?
Exactly 😂
I got the eject adapter with mine, which is really nice. Also the famicom adapter. This is now my only way to play NES/Famicom games on my little CRT. 😁
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my childhood was an msx
I’m happy I got my nes,snes and sega mini 1. Fingers crossed for a N64 mini!!! I’ll be grabbing 2 too!
No TurboGraphix 16
Get the TG16 mini bro.
I doubt there will be an N64 mini. Apart from mario64 and mariocart all the best games were by developers like rare who won't be able to licence their games to Nintendo at this point.
There really aren't many must have and fondly remembered games , I'm betting they just couldn't get enough of the good ones to make it attractive to consumers. Add to that it didn't sell very well compared to the competition so the market is much smaller. Also, the graphics have aged very badly. The SNES,pc engine, neogeo and megadrive sprite based gfx are almost timeless but early 3d just looks horrible nowadays, especially on modern TV's.
The emulation hardware will be more expensive and the software will be tricky to get 100%.
So no, I don't think it will happen anytime soon.
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It does, with an adapter, just like the original hardware. You can buy the adapter along with the device, it's slightly smaller than what you'd get for a NES and the cartridge will face backwards to save space.
Awesome project! The composite video looks amazing and because it uses real chips it is superior to even the MiSTer in that regard. Giving it some design thoughts: might be advantageous to put the cartridge port at the back but with a 90 degree socket. That way the cartridge would lay on top. An hdmi micro/mini socket could also fit on the back panel. That would make this thing perfect IMO.
Looks interesting Ron.
Thanks for sharing.
I think this is awesome, especially with that Famicom adapter 😺
Wow! This thing is nice!
I just got my old ass NES kinda back up and running with a 10 dollar China 72 pin replacement, but this looks real nice.
Nes looks best in composite. The games were made to look good with a crt. You dont want a crystal clear sharp image to play nes games.
They should build one that kind of looks like a Nintendo GameCube. NES Video Game Cube. Game plugs in on the top etc.
I love stuff like this. I don't buy them, but its cool they exist.
It's definitely nice ✨ keeping retro Alive.'
Not sure if it is just me, but I notice the gameplay seems a bit smoother. A better output would have been nice touch.
Once I saw the composite rca video I said sold!
It’s a bit pricey for me but it looks really cool
Btw the best way to play your retro games is whatever way works best for you, don’t let gatekeeping purists tell you otherwise
For this price and the lack of an HDMI, I would honestly go for a MiSTER.
considering adding HDMI to a NES is such a hack, going with a mister is the better option. But IMO composite is the way to go for a more authentic experience.
@@grafxgear agreed on MiSTer and plus I can output composite from my MiSTer
What about playing NES games on the souljagame? Is that wrong?
I still don’t see the RGB upgrade or hdmi . Looks like they surpassed their goal. Is there any new info on this?
At least you don't have to deal with the blinking light problem with the NES
Cool product, but it should have had RGB and HDMI out built-in
I’m super interested in this but not sure if I can justify it since I already have a Mini NT Noir. Do you still think it’s still worth getting with that in mind?
Same boat here. I'm leaning more toward no than yes. Shipped this thing is $250, half the cost of the Noir with far less than half the features. FOMO sucks.
Finally a way to play nes games
i luv seein videos like this..i hope too see more like this..
Looked at the web site you linkd to and it's a no sell "it must have HDMI".
it would be wasted on the NES
@@grafxgear I don't think Analogue would agree with u I u.
@@21DegrassiStreet they can all they like.
Thank you! I like hearing about stuff like this.
I’d like one, but not for that price.
What about the synth chip?
I'm in the camp that composite only stuff shouldn't be released in 2023. TV manufactures should do us a favor and stop putting composite input on TVs. Then this might stop.
I almost bought one of these. But I had already bought an analogue pocket and a Evercade vs.
Already have tons of ways to play nes, so I talked myself out of it.
Regrets were made
No man, you did good. I'm in the exact same boat. At the end of the day I *know* this would end up on a shelf or in its box. The MiSTer is 100% as good as this, and as it already has RGB / HDMI it's already better. The only thing you're "missing out" on is using real carts, but lets be honest - we're just going to use an Everdrive N8 anyway haha.
I honestly don't know who this is for. The ONLY appeal is the real CPU/GPU, as the output is laughably composite only. If there's RGB down the line, it'll cost a pretty penny for sure and even then it'll only be catching up to the MiSTer. Don't regret not buying this.
@@Mike-B-Jackson totally agree with you, mister is the way 1,000 %
Don’t like the power button being in the back.
I like it’s unique and pleasing compact style, I wouldn’t knock anyone for getting it even at that price point. That said if you are playing on anything other than an old school CRT tv with composite connections, I can’t see a reason for purchasing this over the totally awesome retroUSB AVS with HDMI output.
Didn’t know it was gonna have rgb 🤦🏻♂️ should have got one
Sounds cool 😎
Essentially they took the original chips (possibly repo chips) and placed them onto a new board and case.
nvm. i checked out their site
What is your favourite nes game?
You should do a video on your favourite games for each console
That's a pretty cool set up but dang no built in hdmi
does this work with Aladdin Deck Enhancer NES games?
Do you think HDMI could be added and what's the big difference between RGB and Composite?
RGB (actually component) separates the video signal into three channels - Y (Luma), Pr (Red - Y), and Pb (Blue - Y), while Composite composes them into a single signal. RGB/component gives you better color reproduction than composite and stops some visual artifacts like dot crawl. There's also S-Video (not an option here) that separates the signal into two channels - Chroma (color) and Luma (brightness) that sits in between in video quality.
Oh no how do you play 3-4 player games on that?
Composite is 1,000% inexcusable for that price. Then I have to put out more money to modify for RGB or HDMI
It's hard to beat a AV Famicom. Just get a NES converter for it.
You’re asking “Who is this for?”
But I am actually pretty confused. Like your monitor, composite is not on most devices nowadays. Using the genuine parts means there was an NES destroyed somewhere to give it’s chips to that system. Is that preservation? This is a topic very open to discussion, but just don’t understand this one at all. If you’re a purist, would real hardware be the whole point? 🤔
If it had HDMI, I would order it right now!
Yeah. Not sure why it couldn't have both A/V and HDMI.
Love me some NES and this looks like a fun project. Cool review.
$229 and no controller. Gonna go ahead and pass on this one. Doesnt really look great in my opinion either.
Yeah. 100 bucks more and get the better avs which comes with everything and is awesome.
@@destructodisk9074 yeah. But still worth it.
Very cool, buy why no hdmi?
After this video, tall dog's supply of RGB chips sold out :(
Yeah I noticed that. It was pricey too but soo damn hard to get ahold of those PPU's.
If its open source I would wait a bit until the Chinese versions appear on Amazon for a third of the price. Also, not including rgb out of the box for that price is a bit stingy tbh.
I agree but the Chinese will have No original chip even the clones for this model will be better quality…. Maybe just save money for it
This is what I want too bad the price is overkill IMHO. It is an awesome enthusiast kit though!
Doesn't look like it has the expansion port that was on the bottom of the NES.
to use with?
@@grafxgear Possibly create a disk drive interface that uses that port. Maybe other stuff. They likely created schematics and prototypes that used that port even if they didn't release them.
@@neophytealpha It's just a copy of the cartridge slot pin out. If it was important it would have been done in the last 30 years. There is nothing that exp port does that you can't just do through the cartridge slot.
really cool!
Someone needs to fill the void left by the nt mini.
No HDMi and No sd car or usb? Cartridge only? really for over $200 and no joysticks, ummmm never, way too many other systems on the market can do what this can do an much more for like 1/3rd the price.
I agree there is no right choice but for $200+ on a composite NES is definitely the wrong choice.
“floppy slot syndrome” occurs as a result of childbirth, but i get the comparison - neither is good for the game.
Pretty 😎 cool
Rgt sent me
$200 and doesn't have any more real functionality than a standard NES/AV Famicom? Who is this for? Like why would you buy this over an original system (Cheaper) or AVS (HDMI output)?
$200 bux bro? cheaper to get a NES with flash cart and a CRT tbh
I love that you don't use profanity!
Too damn expensive, these people, not only are they pirating but also are nuts.
Why would clone chips be $209!? A clone console nes costs less than $100
Small batch custom PCBs and case. Passion projects like this end up being costly and obviously aren't for everyone.
The price of this is bullshit, just like the new unfair price of the AVS. NES Clones should not be this much ever!
this nes is cool but without hadmi or vga output it will be an inputlag-feast on new tvs lol
Composite Video only? Barf.... Should have a NES multi out for RGB/S-video and possibly HDMI. Why make an awesome product with crap video.
An original NES cost less than this. It's a waste of money. Either go for the original or get a emulator device like an Ambernic. At least those can play up PS1 games close to perfection.
If it Had Hdmi would of get
Dang it I preordered one 😂. Your fault
Neat but overpriced.
Too rich for my blood
Nope.
This isn’t news nor new. The retro AVS literally did the same thing, as that was using nes parts On a new board