Redefining Driving | Budget EVs Making Major Inroads
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- EVs are getting cheaper and are now seriously worth considering for many drivers. In this video, we take a look at the market and understand which are worth having. So to find out what's going on, stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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An article in the FT yesterday was talking about the fact that used EVs at 2-3 years old (coming from the leasing market) are now selling for the same and in some cases less than their petrol equivalents. In many cases you will get more car for the same amount as you would spend on a new 'budget' EV and I think this will make used cars a more attractive prospect and could dent the sale of new budget models.
The micro cars fall into a different category with some having limited speeds, these are more suited to people who would otherwise thing about cycling; they are unlikely to be bought by anyone outside of city/town drivers as you wouldn't really want to be doing longer distances on major roads in one, I don't think you can even drive something like the Citroen Ami on the motorway for example.
Hi Dave today l finally got my 24 plate Enyaq 85x sportline plus in metalic moon white with black gloss trim worth the wait truely amazing car now the fun starts great videos dave
Best wishes Kev
Good, informative video Dave. Many thanks
Good one Dave. Thanks.
Excellent video! 🎉😊
I sat in a small Microlino but space inside was huge. I think the idea of a small car like this is great where you mostly go on 30 or 40 MPH roads around the city. Nothing to stop you going further though and smaller cars are very welcome.
good to see more choice keep up the good work
Cheers Dave
There is the Silence electric EV microcar available in the UK but it expensive at £16k.
The good thing is it has a 54 mph top speed and a range of 92 miles so it makes for a viable city car.
New small EVs are competing against second hand EVs too. An Corsa e or Pug e208 can be picked up on low mileage 2-3 years old for £15k or less. That is what the new BYD & Dacia Spring will be competing against. As second cars they are a pretty compelling option for many. I like the idea of stripped down motoring, but as has always been the case, the smallest new cars compete against bigger 2 year old cars...
Yes please, a micro car. Here in Oz, and retired I just want a two seater to goto the men's shed and a little shopping and just enough storage to take my guitar and amp. It should also have top speed, not less than 80km/h, there average suburban speed here. Price around AUD 15K. But none are to seen. There are a bunch of us would love to have this form factor. Excuse the rant, regards
Although a taxi may have only one passenger, the important area is luggage capacity. Would they be able to carry suitcases/buggies/wheelchairs/shopping/ikea
Those little cars are more dangerous than a bike. At least my old Fiat 500 ( the old kind with a two cylinder engine in the back) 70 mpg. That would do 70 miles and hour on a downhill motorway. Range around 400 miles on a tank full
I loved the idea of the Microlino and placed a deposit on one a long time ago... back in 2022. But it has taken so long to come to market that it is now overshadowed by the far more affordable Dacia Spring.
Unfortunately this is true, and you can lease a new Leaf for less then a Spring. I'd get the Microlino though.
Any micro car (like the Citroen AMI) that is limited to under 30MPG is unsuitable for me as once I get to the first roundabout, about 1/2 mile away, it's all dual carriageways with a 70 mph speed limit.
A bike makes far more sense than a second car by the sounds of it.
A mico EV would suit my daughter but I would have concerns regarding safety.
Accidents happen regardless, even to cyclists and pedestrians walking on pavements.... Thousands of vehicles are involved in accidents each year in Britain, irrespective of the size of the vehicle....
@@Brian-om2hhSure, but the level of protection provided by the vehicle you in is a major factor in the limiting the extent of injuries. Micro EVs won’t offer the same protection as larger cars and are not tested to the same standards.
HAVE YOU ACTUALLY SEEN A CITROEN AMI IT MAKES A RELIANT ROBIN SEEM LIKE A ROLLS
seen one, filmed one driven in one! Obviously. Have you?
jim farley should make an electric fiesta.
"They" contestant is to have cars,let alone cheap cars.
EV manufacturers should never have tried to emulate regular ICE vehicles as their inherent failures were always destined to be pointed out when comparisons were made (range, load etc). Had the incentive been built around a genuine city-runaround (limited mileage, simple home charging, etc) they could have cleaned up both the markets and city air quality. I don't know of an EV user that doesn't keep a regular ICE vehicle as backup but considering it would only be used for long distance/holiday work it would be left at home for 90% of its life.
Now you've met I've! We used the EV for the long trips, the petrol and diesel suit around at home for local stuff.
Last year, 10,000 EV miles, my diesel did 1,600. Currently on a European road trip, it will be around 3,000 effortless miles.
The diesel and petrol cars are sitting at home on the drive.
I just wanted to increase your social circle a little 😉
The microlino is very expensive
Hello mate
Anything built in Europe will never be cheap inc microcars.
Hardly any EV sales are private purchases without any company/corporate or tax incentives. People are not spending their own money on these overpriced appliances, that’s why the market is stalling. Company cars and fleets make up the sale statistics but many private buyers are returning to ICE and it is getting worse and worse. The people who want cheap motoring are already aware of the high taxes, insurance costs and the increasing expenses EVs are subject to, in addition to the surreal depreciation.
But actually not true, private sales and leases still make up biggest growth.
@@davetakesiton This is from April, this year, from Sky News, and since then, sales have fallen further:
Some 15.2% of new cars registered in March were pure electrics, down from 16.2% during the same period last year, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said.
The industry body said the "tough economic backdrop" of low growth, weak consumer confidence and high interest rates was making it harder for drivers to "invest in these new technologies".
Year-on-year sales of electric vehicles (EVs) did rise during the month, but this was mostly driven by fleet investment, rather than from private drivers, the SMMT said.
Total uptake of hybrid electric vehicles rose by nearly 20% to 44,550 in March compared to the year before, while the registration of new battery electric vehicles rose by almost 4% to 48,300.
The SMMT's chief executive Mike Hawes said: "A sluggish private market and shrinking EV market share show the challenge ahead.
"Manufacturers are providing compelling offers, but they can't single-handedly fund the transition indefinitely."
It comes after leading electric carmakers Tesla and Chinese firm BYD both reported a sharp drop in sales during the first quarter of the year, prompting concern from some commentators that appetite for the vehicles could be declining.
Overall, the SMMT's figures, published on Thursday, said the UK car market grew for the 20th consecutive month in March, with a 10.4% rise in registrations.
The total of more than 317,786 cars was the UK's best March performance since 2019, although it was still more than 30% below pre-pandemic levels.
Registrations by private buyers fell by 7.7% and dropped by 8% among small businesses.
However, fleet investment in cars leapt by almost 30%, with "compelling tax incentives" driving the uptake of electric vehicles, the SMMT said.
The industry body renewed calls for the government to do more to incentivise private buyers to go electric too - including by reducing VAT on public EV charging.
"Government support for private consumers - not just business and fleets - would send a positive message and deliver a faster, fairer transition on time and on target," said Mr Hawes.
@@davetakesiton This one is from May, this year, from AutoExpress: Urgent action needed to “re-enthuse” private EV buyers, say car makers
The proportion of EVs sold to private buyers in April slumped 22 per cent compared to April 2023, as EV fleet sales motor ahead…
Private buyers also tend to have jobs and access to salary sacrifice, why on earth would I skip the the saving just to buy private!?
@@davetakesiton My first comment quoting an article was deleted.
Look at me and Mon Ami for fun driving. The problem with the Ami is the build quality is poor on the later models. Also in UK wet weather the windows mist up terribly. But it's a great suburban get around.
The misting on the Ami is manageable with regularly re applied Rainex. The real problem wih the Ami is the loss of power and range below 10°C. The build quality isn't an early v late model thing. It's a Monday morning, Friday evening thing. My late model is fine.
Are these from legacy car makers by any chance!
Getting there. New range of cheap electric good for second car but not enough range really for the only car in the household. For us we have a single electric car with a WPT range of 303 miles (realistic 250 from 90% charge). Any less would be a struggle for long distances. Current small cars seem to max out currently at 200 WPT. In a few years we might finally get the small cheap car with 300+ miles. That’s the next game-changer.
Why does everyone keep parroting this stuff 😂
Respectfully disagree. Why are you driving 300 plus miles without stopping?
@@lucasroper46 to find a cheap charger that works 🤣🤭, it's not the fact that you might want to drive 300 miles it's that they want to. Each to their own but a good long range is what we've been programmed with for owning a ice car so any less will feel short changed.
@@lucasroper46 last weekend I drove from west Wales to midlands non-stop. Distance 200 miles. Range of car 250 miles. Got back with 50 range. Don’t want to drive till the battery is flat. Just my personal experience and preference e.
Additional issue is lack of fast chargers in North Wales.
If EV cars are the future, why are the goverment going to put tariffs on new EV's it dosnt make sense, can you explain that??
Monopoly! They want everyone to buy an EV and subsidise them but want them to be made by anyone but the Chinese so they impose tariffs on Chinese made EVs.
😊🏴🇨🇳MG manufacturing 😊
I can drive Dave very well but I can't get a job I don't have any skills
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And why are people fixated on speed ?
@@MrGMawson2438 because time is a very precious commodity. We don’t want to waste it driving slowly or charging an ev.
@@dominicgoodwin1147I'm curious as to how many people would attempt to drive from say Calais to Madrid in one day, non stop (or *only* fuel), no loo stops, no food stops.
Would you do that? We did that trip last week over two days, 7am start down to just below Bordeaux (1 hour traffic delay), stayed overnight and did the next leg on Saturday, another 8 hours. We stopped because we wanted a break, loo, drink, let stretch and that's when the car charges.
The idea that it's an hour or more every time is in the media, not my real experience. Every time we stopped to eat, the car was ready before us, that's actually more annoying.
@@djtaylorutube we regularly used to do a trip from Düsseldorf to Guildford for weekends with a break and a nap in the Eurotunnel. We have family in Munich who will make the whole trip in a day too.
Nobody wants their car to be the constraining factor.
I am hugely pro-ev, but we must be realistic about the limitations and the extra up-front cost.
@@dominicgoodwin1147 Yep, that's not a challenge at all, 340 miles. Did you stop, if so how long for? That's around a 6 hour drive so stopping for 15 mins or so isn't exactly a challenge. From experience, family of four, plug in upon arrival at services, loo stop, buy coffee and return direct to car and unplug. That was 16 minutes. I was curious to measure it because so many people are convinced that their pee stop is no more than 5 minutes.
What i'm saying is that the car isn't necessarily the limiting factor, the mental approach to it is.
@@djtaylorutube no, we certainly didn’t do food stops. Our only stops were to wee and buy petrol. Apart from that we didn’t stop until we were queuing to get onto the tunnel (no chargers there) and in the tunnel (no chargers there either). How many EVs today can comfortably do those 350 odd miles with max 5 minutes of recharging and without any risk of running out of battery, and cost as little as a second-hand golf.
Stop kidding yourself and other people that it’s not a compromise to drive an EV, and start realising that for people who don’t care about ice car pollution, they are a risk. There are hardly any EVs with that range even now, and those are unaffordable unless you are totally committed to the concept of EVs.
1st I will never have any German car, they can be put on a tank or fight jet target range as targets horrible things...
2nd Micro cars those are rubbish and a waste of time.
3rd Any EV over £8000 is out as most people like me even that is a huge amount to pay with all the huge prices on all the stuff we already pay out now! bills etc. as you stated.
4th without any EV credits done in the UK like the US and China already get, there be no chance of most low paid workers here ever getting even a 2nd hand EV.
5th we need a huge amount of good working and maintained fast EV Chargers in the UK which we don't have now.
The rise of the huge pricey Tesla EV's ( Model Y at around £60.000 and Model 3 at £42.000 here )
it shows the rich people are doing just fine! But the other 96% of us low paid workers have zero chance to own a EV since as stated most good ones are over £30.000.
Would you be in the market for a brand new "anything" at 60k? It's not just an EV thing, just that they're working their way through the used chain.
If you could get a Model Y (or similar functionality, forget for a moment anything about bias or Elon) would one for £7,999 be acceptable? Insert any other similar vehicle.
And all of the above will ensure you also can’t afford a luxury yacht, a second home, six holidays a year. Not many can. But don’t sweat it because others can. You sound angry and resentful.
For a second car, why would you buy a new car? Surely then you really can save money.
And for the first car, you can pick up a Range Rover Sport in good condition for under £4k. You can’t get any EVs for that.
Even so, I still reckon Money isn’t the main reason people aren’t buying EVs, but that they really don’t want to risk getting stuck on a motorway with an empty battery.
As you said, 80% of car sales in the UK are used cars, most old EVs don’t have rapid charging, and how can you trust what state the battery is in? (Yes, I know you can plug in a dongle and get a report, but I bet most normal people don’t.)
We have the opposite - a new smaller EV and a Diesel Estate. Of course the reason is the EV is a company car, so it’s subsidised. Saying that we now do 80% of our miles in the EV as it’s such a great car and costs virtually nothing to charge.
If you are looking for a car that is 2-4 years old EV prices have now started to equalise with their petrol counterparts (according to an article in the FT). They are putting this down in part to price drops of new EVs but also an influx of ex-lease cars coming into the used market.
@@ISuperTedsame, 10,000 miles last year in our EV, 1,600 in the diesel. We roadtrip Europe in the EV because it's cheaper, more fun and enjoyable.
@@paulweston1106but you don’t buy cars from the FT, you buy them from Autotrader, which tells a very different story…
Dominic Goodwin all EVs have rapid charging where did you get that information.
budget now worth nothing in a couple of years AVOID
fortune telling now?
Idiot.
With a life of 10 years or more, that’ll be pretty cheap motoring?