Indonesia's High-Speed Rail Project: Messed Up Diplomatic Triangle

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    Today's topic was one of the most requested by our viewers so far: an interesting, mega railway project, which is currently under contruction - Jakarta-Bandung High-Speed Railway Line in Indonesia.
    It is a high-speed rail line in the length of 142,3 km (88,4 mi), that will connect Indonesia’s capital Jakarta with Bandung, one of the major industrial hubs in this country.
    In addition to its complexity, this project is super interesting due to the fact it represents another amazing example of how geopolitics influence the railways and the example of competition game between two Asian powerhouses - China and Japan. In this case, over the greater strategic influence in the region of Asia-Pacific.
    For the construction, management, future daily operation and maintenance of Jakarta-Bandung high-speed rail line, the joint venture Kereta Cepat Indonesia China (KCIC) was formed, consisting of Chinese and Indonesian consortiums.
    On October 16th 2015, Chinese and Indonesian companies that are part of these consortiums officially signed a deal to proceed with the construction. The project was estimated at $5.5 billion, while China Development Bank (CDB) gave a commitment to fund 75% of this amount, with the loan on the period of 40 years, while the rest will be secured by the joint venture partners.
    As Indonesian government was not required to provide any financing, in accordance with the agreement, it will take over the ownership of the line and all the assets only at the end of the 50-year period.
    This project is marked as a turning point in the modernization of the Indonesian public transportation system, and it serve four main stations (Jakarta, Karawang, Walini and Bandung), with the trains running at 350 kmh, cutting the travel times beetween the two cities from 3 hours to 40 min.
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  • @Sammysnows
    @Sammysnows 3 роки тому +842

    If you are living in Indonesia and goes to wet market
    You will often found a mother bargain but still not satisfied then saying "I'll be back" But instead going to other sellers that give better deal then try to bargain again to the 1st seller so it comes with better price
    That method still being used and surprising works well.

    • @merikantiquinapaglinawan5926
      @merikantiquinapaglinawan5926 3 роки тому +29

      Wont work for me when I am the seller. Hehe

    • @mybirthwasamistake
      @mybirthwasamistake 3 роки тому +47

      Yeah they are looking for better deal and cheaper price as possible

    • @sc5252
      @sc5252 3 роки тому +72

      Those Indonesian who favour Japan, look at the India HSR and think. Recently Japan quoted Taiwan for USD 166 million for one train with 10 coaches. Taiwan ask for 12 trains. So total nearly 2000 million USD. Can Indonesia railway pay that much for 12 trains?
      For Japan HSR price, a cheap HSR ticket from Jakarta to Surabaya, 700 km will cost about 19000 yen or 2500000 rupiah, is this price ok for Indonesia??
      Moreover, Japan will take a very long time to build, so wait at least ten years

    • @LightCavalier13
      @LightCavalier13 3 роки тому +52

      @@sc5252 nope, that amount of money I believe is the median salary for us per month

    • @kappaclap8461
      @kappaclap8461 3 роки тому +32

      @@sc5252 if i can reach from jakarta to surabaya in under 30 mins then yeah.i think its worth to spent

  • @sp-tj9ye
    @sp-tj9ye 3 роки тому +1104

    Wishing this project may bring more prosperity to Indonesia. Wishing all Indonesians all the best for this project from India 🇮🇳

    • @sp-tj9ye
      @sp-tj9ye 3 роки тому +57

      @Question Everything why my friend? Can you explain breifly? So it will update my knowledge about the project.

    • @mohamadisa8879
      @mohamadisa8879 3 роки тому +30

      Thanks for you from jakarta.
      GBU also.

    • @sp-tj9ye
      @sp-tj9ye 3 роки тому +9

      @@mohamadisa8879 didn't understand GBU. Sorry.

    • @MohammedFurqon
      @MohammedFurqon 3 роки тому +39

      @Question Everything Here are a lot of money suckers aka corruptor aka bitch3s. If there's a big project, there's a big chance for them to stole money.

    • @briantarigan7685
      @briantarigan7685 3 роки тому +66

      @@MohammedFurqon the project are continuing smoothly and now 60% finish, current administration manage to build a lot of infratructure in such a short time

  • @ALWH1314
    @ALWH1314 Рік тому +35

    Indonesian HSR is ready to open to public this summer. Congratulations.

  • @MrJimheeren
    @MrJimheeren 3 роки тому +2000

    And all of this will be done before California finally finishes his high speed rail. Mark my words

    • @EastofVictoriaPark
      @EastofVictoriaPark 3 роки тому +414

      If you bet 1 million dollars, you'd get 1 million dollars and 7 cents for a winning bet.

    • @mirzaahmed6589
      @mirzaahmed6589 3 роки тому +7

      His?

    • @Cerita-Kereta
      @Cerita-Kereta 3 роки тому +169

      Yes.. the construction is 70% completed now..

    • @RailwaysExplained
      @RailwaysExplained  3 роки тому +130

      @@EastofVictoriaPark haha, maybe even less 😁

    • @MrJimheeren
      @MrJimheeren 3 роки тому +19

      @@mirzaahmed6589 his as in the state of California

  • @daewakilat1842
    @daewakilat1842 3 роки тому +289

    Thank you so much for this. FInally, as an Indonesian, i can understand the situation much better.

    • @nabieladrian
      @nabieladrian 3 роки тому +9

      For real, almost no one even mention anything about this project anymore, like bruh how.

    • @24_m.nurafrizal48
      @24_m.nurafrizal48 3 роки тому +8

      @@nabieladrian orang kalo denger kata cina langsung panik bro

    • @mirizid9667
      @mirizid9667 3 роки тому +1

      @@nabieladrian But the project is still running tho

  • @Wiratama12
    @Wiratama12 3 роки тому +253

    Some additional information about this project
    1. The plan are actually had been concept as far as 2006, finalized in 2009. JICA was tasked by the government to make plan document and feasibility study.
    2. Joko Widodo predecessor, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono make target to start this project 2014, but stalled by economy stagnation
    3. When Joko Widodo elected in 2014, he was doubt the beneficiary of this project and also how expansive this project. But there's also some people who urged to build this high speed railway due to traffic congestion in highway and the existing railway are too expansive too be upgraded due to geographic issue.
    3. So it's decide to build the high speed railway but didn't use state fund, instead it's purely B2B business concept. Japan still want state fund guarantee but China step up the bargain and willing to use B2B concept for funding. So China win.
    4. The reason why using B2B because government doesn't want to use single dime to fund this project. Most of dime in infrastructure is being used for build highway, water reservoir, irrigation, port, airport, and upgrade existing railway.
    5. While Japan know for high quality of infrastructure, it highly criticize for not doing transfer technology, high maintenance cost, and slow building process (MRT Jakarta is the example). China willingness to share technology become plus point of this bidding.
    6. The bidding process actually repeated due to government want to B2B concept.
    7. KCIC is JV company, where 60% owned by JV Indonesia state company, the rest come from JV China company.
    8. In Indonesia law, subsidiaries company or JV company from state owned company are treated as private company. Therefore Indonesia consortium in this project is actually private company. They also not get state funding.

  • @RSID
    @RSID 3 роки тому +581

    As a native Jakartan, I fully support the high-speed rail projects that can help my friends and co-workers get to their native cities quickly and efficiently. It will also help ease the overpopulation of Jakarta when people can get from city to city more quickly. This project is long overdue imho.

    • @blardymunggas6884
      @blardymunggas6884 3 роки тому +54

      Connectivity is the key for economic development. Indonesia will see success soon. China is truly the king of win-win development. Many low intelligence will say china is looting. Thats absurd. The smart people that knows how to capitalized chinese opportunity will end up being the richest man on earth. Ask Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk.

    • @jumpinsphere
      @jumpinsphere 3 роки тому +16

      Yes, this trains can make many people moving fast between two cities because our existing railway cannot afford more faster speed

    • @blardymunggas6884
      @blardymunggas6884 3 роки тому +9

      Sukses kepada indonesia🙏🏻

    • @kaztuckinhell108
      @kaztuckinhell108 3 роки тому +8

      @@blardymunggas6884 u guys know Chinese trains tend to be broken easily and still chose the cheap option for money. Welp good luck n don't ask any help from Japan

    • @realkingxyro
      @realkingxyro 3 роки тому +7

      @@blardymunggas6884 ever heard of the Chinese Debt Trap and the other countries that fell for it? Yeah, no.

  • @soonleongong4863
    @soonleongong4863 3 роки тому +432

    No worries about the profits of the railway road. When it's connected, the economic and lifestyle will definitely improve for Indonesians. That's the reason why Japan also invested in high speed railway themselves. God bless the Indonesians, from Singapore.

    • @soonleongong4863
      @soonleongong4863 3 роки тому +78

      @@FengLengshun bro, it is proven transport will definitely bring up the economy for the entire region. That is also why my country Singapore invested so heavily in subway trains and upgrade our bus system. You need time to see all these advantages.
      Also, those news about Muslims being exploited are all FAKE news, many videos or pictures from western medias are taken from Afghanistan or Syria. Some even twisted the contents which where proven by thousands of journalists around the world.
      In UN Congress, more then 80 countries supported China and 95% of the Muslim country leaders went to China and investigated. Zero abuse were found including those terrorists who are caught and jailed. Today only 11 out of 140 countries in the UN claimed Muslim abuse in China, they refused to visit China despite being invited by China. I am from Singapore, our ministers and Muslim leaders went in 2018 and again they went last week.
      Also, I had many Muslims friends and colleagues went Xinjiang for tour in 2019. There are mosques everywhere and you can see hundreds of Muslims praying in those mosques. China has 35000 mosques and Xinjiang alone has more then 20000 mosques. You can go anywhere to take a look yourself. You won't get stopped from taking photos anywhere there. Don't get scammed by fake news from the west. That's what they did to Iraq and Serbia before.

    • @sahabatzenius3714
      @sahabatzenius3714 3 роки тому +11

      Terima Kasih, Energy Of Asia : Onward ASEAN 🇲🇨🇸🇬🇲🇾🇧🇳🇹🇭🇻🇳🇲🇲🇱🇦🇰🇭🇵🇭 x 🇨🇳🇯🇵🇰🇷

    • @sambros2
      @sambros2 3 роки тому

      @@sahabatzenius3714 Hey I know Myanmar is in ASEAN but I thought the country is in South Asia

    • @mirizid9667
      @mirizid9667 3 роки тому +8

      @@FengLengshun The 2nd class ticket cost according to official news is around 230k. For me it's actually not that expensive for 143 Km journey. I think average middle class Indonesian can afford it. If you want comparison, take a look at Argo Parahyangan priority class. The ticket cost around 290k. It's 60k more expensive than HSR 2nd Class which is good enough. So it's basically riding on Priority class but 4 times faster. Also if you want to compare it with Airlines, ticket from Jakarta to Jogja is about 1.2 Million IDR which is hella expensive. When the HSR already connected to Jogja, my prediction is that the ticket price will be around 600k to 700k which is 500k less than airline.
      As for inner city transportation you're right. Public transportation system in Indonesia is a joke. Bandung doesn't even have any light rail system. The bus system also not that good compared to Jakarta. But in Indonesia there is Online Transportation you know? Most people use online transportation after boarded Plane or Train when they reach the destination.

    • @IanGeorge88
      @IanGeorge88 3 роки тому +4

      True,The history of MRT Singapore and even Shenzhen is testament to this fact.

  • @Ackk567
    @Ackk567 3 роки тому +433

    Wow even as indonesia citizen i still lack information of this railway. Cause our country media tv seem to love more tiktokers and other useless thing to be show on their media

    • @InnerSenseRockBand
      @InnerSenseRockBand 3 роки тому +3

      i dont watch national tv. but i know about this already from articles online

    • @andreas2042
      @andreas2042 3 роки тому +41

      There are lots of news about this from your local media both on tv or youtube. Where were you ?

    • @Supirbemo
      @Supirbemo 3 роки тому +2

      I dont watch national tv unless for the news

    • @panjipewe
      @panjipewe 3 роки тому +36

      no...
      your recommendation base on what you watch...
      if your recommendation is tiktokers, so u like watch tiktok lol...

    • @sunshineskystar
      @sunshineskystar 3 роки тому +20

      @@panjipewe he said "tv media" not his youtube homepage, read first before commenting

  • @thatone8085
    @thatone8085 3 роки тому +491

    A very beautiful country.
    The world is a better place when indonesia moves forward. The language is so nice to hear, like music to my ears.

  • @shotelco
    @shotelco 3 роки тому +266

    RE: *Economic and Viability Risk* -> High-speed trains usually have higher occupancy rates than regular trains, which “are on average 35 % full. Data point: High speed trains in France currently enjoy 80% occupancy”
    Data point: At the time the Korean high-speed line opened in 2010, the average number of passengers was 72,000 per day, but this has now doubled to approximately 162,000 in just 10 years. The expectation is this will double again within 8 years.
    Data point: Morocco’s high-speed train (Al Boraq) has been in operation for less than 2 years, and already is at 68% occupancy. Morocco just announced the purchase of more trainsets.
    High speed rail - when executed correctly - changes everything for a Country. Morocco now sees 160 fewer car accidents between Tangiers and Casablanca. More high(er) net worth individuals will consider relocating themselves and their operations to Nations with modern transportation infrastructure. Workers can live further out from the City Centers, which creates less City traffic and pollution. Companies will employ more as labor cost may be reduced.
    I see no long term downside risk for Indonesia regarding this investment.
    BTW, this is one of the better presentations I have seen, great job!

    • @thomaspriewasser6660
      @thomaspriewasser6660 3 роки тому +6

      You still gotta distribute the passengers among the cities. So if the transit connections to the HSR-line are poor, you're gonna run into some issues.

    • @edwardhobbs5214
      @edwardhobbs5214 3 роки тому +8

      Of course they have higher occupancy, high speed rail routes are between major cities. A high speed rail route between small settlements with many stops would have lower occupancy than a regular train due to the ticket a price and negligible time saved.

    • @thomaspriewasser6660
      @thomaspriewasser6660 3 роки тому +3

      @@edwardhobbs5214 I meant the traffic within cities. If you can't distribute the passengers within the city, you'll end up with a lot less passengers. Source: Transportfever - Europe Campaign - Tgv Mission

    • @edwardhobbs5214
      @edwardhobbs5214 3 роки тому +6

      @@thomaspriewasser6660 I was responding to the comment about directly comparing occupancy rates between HST and regular trains. I regards to your comment though; I think what is often missing from conversations about transport is the stress level of using the system. I want to use trains not because of how fast they are but because i don't have to go through the stress of an airport.

    • @shotelco
      @shotelco 3 роки тому +13

      @@thomaspriewasser6660 Excellent commentary. This is why I included "when executed correctly" in my OP. HSR by itself is likely a waste of resources. It _Must_ be part of a fully integrated suite of *Long Term,* coordinated Urban planning. Much like a Office building development: think of the Petronas Towers in KL Malaysia. When completed in 2004, there was almost no other retail/office/industrial development around it for 10's of Kilometers. Today, just 17 years later, one would have a hard time recognizing the Petronas Towers in the KL skyline - as so much new development has occurred around it (population gravitating towards the infrastructure over time).
      I will quote a 2020 Urban Planning impact study that revolves around HSR:
      "With respect to the aspects of sustainable development systems thinking on HSR services,
      the *_efficient planning_* of HSR services can genuinely *generate invaluable outcomes* for other social,
      economic and environmental impacts, as follows:
      - Social impacts: reducing travel time between two cities, increasing the accessibility of attractions
      in the city, reducing the public transportation cost, allowing companies to hire specific labourers
      and trade in particular goods;
      - Economic impacts: increasing the economic via the transport and the logistic system (both domestic
      and international), immediately transferring products from the suburban areas, reducing shipping
      costs in the country as there is an alternative mode of transportation;
      - Environmental impacts: reducing the amount of CO2 emissions in the air, reducing the amount
      of land use compared with the road and highway."
      It's important to note that this study looked at two select cities in China, which didn't benefit much from HSR for those locations. However:
      "The finding is different from other HSR networks around the world. For example,
      the Shinkansen network has a considerable impact on the prefecture land price and the growth of Sustainability population. In addition, it has enabled various benefits for Japanese life. The Shinkansen connection can reduce the land price by 33% within the same year, as its services can support Japan in becoming decentralised. In France, another case study showed that the land price was found to be increased
      by around 2.18% compared to the average in the area due to the TGV service"
      In a rapidly developing economy, such as Indonesia, infrastructure investment must be organized around a comprehensive long-term strategy. The population will gravitate _towards_ the infrastructure, not the other way around. Thus in theory, Urban planning seeks to attract production (labor) into efficient areas/hubs of manufacturing and services. Transportation infrastructure is critical.
      If you have the time and inclination, the 2020 research paper cited above may be worth the read:
      www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/12/7/3012/pdf

  • @dwchen1
    @dwchen1 3 роки тому +148

    Do bare in mind that Java island is the most populated island on the planet with over 141 million people(more than half of Indonesian total population), the size of Java island is almost the same with England(Scotland and Wales excluded) but filled with more than twice the number of people in it.
    Java island is also the center of political and economic activity of the country but having a poor infrastructure, especially transportation connection between cities.
    So this high speed train project for the long run is much needed in the island to connect the biggest city in the east side of the island to the biggest city on the west side of the island.

    • @hilmyzulfikar9243
      @hilmyzulfikar9243 3 роки тому +14

      but urban transportation is still really lacking though, although Halim station will have a BRT system and an integrated LRT station, Tegalluar on the other hand has almost nothing, it kinda sucks that a city like bandung has no reliable transportation system

    • @manuel6273
      @manuel6273 3 роки тому +9

      @@hilmyzulfikar9243 There are reasons why the HSR station in Bandung will be located quite far from downtown of the city.
      1. Land
      Bandung simply has no land left for the construction of a such massive station. If they insisted to build the station somehwere downtown, they would have to build HSR tunnel which means more money.
      2. TOD
      I have seen the rendering of the stations and there will be new massive business, residential, commercial as well as industrial around the stations.
      but yes, you're absolutely right Bandung has no reliable transport system. I hope the government at least built BRT system connecting downtown the the HSR station

    • @rncmv
      @rncmv 3 роки тому +6

      "England(Scotland and Wales excluded)" are not part of England...

    • @XnonXte
      @XnonXte 3 роки тому +3

      Jokowi: Hold my *Infrastructure*

    • @KampretLordz
      @KampretLordz 3 роки тому +3

      @@manuel6273 Tegalluar will be connected by main railways and the main railways will get electrified. The first phase is double track Kiaracondong to Cicalengka. Tegaluar will be connected from Cimekar station

  • @adrianusramon5833
    @adrianusramon5833 3 роки тому +258

    Indonesian who live in Bandung here. To be honest, I never heard of such plan to continue the Jakarta - Bandung HSR eastward using the southern route. Compare with the northern route, the southern route should be many times more expensive due its mountainous features. The most economically feasible route should be using the northern one although it might be slightly bend southward in Semarang toward Solo and Yogyakarta presumably using the similar route as the trans-Java Highway network. You might want to take a look on that.

    • @lontongstroong
      @lontongstroong 3 роки тому +32

      Even though it needs to skip Jogja-Solo (which is not only urban centers but also very famous tourist destination), I think going along the north coast would still be enormously profitable. The northern cities like Cirebon and Semarang alone boast 1 and 3 million inhabitants, respectively. They can just simply cooperate with the state railway company (KAI) to launch a shuttle service from Semarang to Jogja and Solo for the HSR passengers.

    • @mirizid9667
      @mirizid9667 3 роки тому +12

      @@lontongstroong considering Jogja and Solo are connected with commuter line, it should not a problem if they construct HSR Station in Solo.

    • @adrianusramon5833
      @adrianusramon5833 3 роки тому +8

      @@lontongstroong Not to sure if the future HSR line will be skipping Solo alltogether. Indeed Yogya might be skipped due to its proximity from Solo and the fact that this year the line from there to Solo is just electrified. Yet skipping Solo and taking direct easterly route from Semarang means skipping to considerable size cities like Solo, Madiun and other towns of considerable size along the Bengawan Solo River, the traditional easterly route from Central Java. Compare to that a direct easterly route to Semarang to Surabaya will only traversing Scarcely populated area except maybe for Cepu or Bojonegoro....

    • @lontongstroong
      @lontongstroong 3 роки тому +10

      @@adrianusramon5833 The problem is that if it's going to go to Jogja-Solo through Bandung, it has to deal with hundreds of miles of the most geologically-active stretch of land on the planet. The construction cost (especially tunneling) must be enormous and that's the thing the govt in near future can't afford. It would simply even not worth it. Furthermore, despite having some parts that relatively sparse, the northern course would still traverse a lot of well-populated urban centers especially those west of Semarang. The plausible way to serve Jogja-Solo in long-term is perhaps simply build another HSR branch from Semarang down south to either Jogja or Solo (or both).

    • @adrianusramon5833
      @adrianusramon5833 3 роки тому +6

      @@lontongstroong indeed the only feasible route for connecting Yogya-Solo to the HSR should be a HSR branch line jutting southward from Semarang... A direct route from Bandung to Jogja would be way too expensive....

  • @hull4bal00
    @hull4bal00 3 роки тому +81

    For any western countries
    if you care about Indonesia, why don't you help us with infrastructure instead, antagonising China will not make you a hero.

    • @luckyabdul24
      @luckyabdul24 2 роки тому +9

      True

    • @widodoakrom3938
      @widodoakrom3938 2 роки тому +9

      👍

    • @GenericUrbanism
      @GenericUrbanism 2 роки тому +17

      To be honest, us Americans and other westerners are not the best at building infrastructure in our own countries.

    • @mohamadhafidal-ahyar2253
      @mohamadhafidal-ahyar2253 2 роки тому +7

      Well, you can't expect them to be like china, they are even way slower than us indonesians at building infrastructure, let's take berlin airport in germany for example, with the capacity around 35 million passangers annually, they took around 14 years to complete, and here we build YIA airport with around 20millions passangers capacity in less than 2 years lmao, we even open the airport in just 1 year after groundbreaking for minimum usage lol
      Just remember unlike other developing countries, we build our own infrastructure, it's just we took loan from other countries or from investor to finish it, but just for some high tech infrastructure like HSR that we need help from foreign engineers, other than that we build it ourselves.

    • @nswpublicservant
      @nswpublicservant 2 роки тому +7

      Indonesia receives more than enough foreign funding. How about you ask your billionaires and millionaires to stop hiding their money in Singapore and start paying domestic taxes? So many Indonesians do not declare income or pay income tax either. Help yourself for once.

  • @klausschumacher7126
    @klausschumacher7126 3 роки тому +371

    I think the ticket price of 35 US$ from Bandung to Jakarta is too high and many traveller will use the bus or the travel minibus. After 22 years living in Bandung l mostly use the Trans Travel what was very cheap and convenient. 7 US$ in 2017 from Bandung to Soekarno Hatta airport. I left Indonesia 2017 after a wonderful time and now l am retired in another beautiful SEA country The Philippines.... Good luck Indonesia ❤️👍

    • @yantiherni7426
      @yantiherni7426 3 роки тому +3

      what are you doing in Indonesia? How long you've been there?

    • @036_tegarhastopowarih8
      @036_tegarhastopowarih8 3 роки тому +55

      Its more expensive price because you can go to Bandung or Jakarta faster, the eficient of time is more higher

    • @achmadiqbal80
      @achmadiqbal80 3 роки тому +5

      Yup, I got MORE cheaper travel only 3,5 dollars 💵 Jakarta-bandung and only 3 hours if you go from early morning. I don’t know this ticket 🎫 will be visible in Indonesian markets, I think 🤔 only indonesia 🇮🇩 with wealthier economies will through

    • @federasiborneo9348
      @federasiborneo9348 3 роки тому +2

      INDONESIA will be BROKEN or DIVERGENTED
      The majority of NKRI policies made so far have adopted elements of COLONIALISM and NEPOTISM.
      Whatever the PARTY, whatever the ORMAS, whoever the FIGURE of the organization,
      USEFUL because they are all DOLLS under the INFLUENCE and INTERVENTION of the oligarchs or the JAVA NATION POLITICAL ELITE.
      If we were more careful
      Those who do not want the PAPUA nation, the BORNEO nation, and the ACEH nation to be FREE
      only the JAVA nation.
      The BHINEKA TUNGGAL IKA is a TAMENG for JAVA opportunists who are greedy and greedy from the "SETTLER COLONIALISM" activity.
      now and in the future,
      sufficient for the nation in each ISLAND is DESINTEGRATION and BERDAULAT aka MERDEKA,
      Why is there DESINTEGRATION?
      because of INDEPENDENCE,
      is the RIGHT of every nation,
      whether he is the nation of PAPUA, the nation of ACEH, the nation of BORNEO,
      Malay Nation, MALUKU nation and other nations.
      The formulation of the UUD by the aristocrats in the past stated "INDEPENDENCE is the RIGHT of all nations" in order to protect the nations that exist in NUSANTARA in the event of a PARTY abuse of power by a group or community.
      Since it was built, NKRI was only for the benefit of the JAVA nation and CHINA PLUTOCRATION
      NON-JAVA Nation
      Intentionally led in a SYSTEMIC manner so as not to maximize
      Potential natural resources and human resources in their respective regions,
      In order to remain AWFUL and POOR and not mastering KNOWLEDGE / TECHNOLOGY.
      we NON-JAVA nation are not HERO
      If the MONEY IS PRINTED with FOREIGN DEBT,
      but only used to build MODERN EDUCATION INFRASTRUCTURE centralized in JAVA.
      we NON-JAVA nation are not HERO
      If INVESTORS (CAPITAL) are invited
      then led only to build MANUFACTURING (INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTION and PROCESSING ACTIVITIES)
      centralized in JAVA.
      we are NON-JAVA, not HERO
      Because they are OLIGARKIES IN JAVA
      And CHINA PLUTOCRACY does not want NON-JAVA NATIONS EDUCATED and PRODUCTIVE.
      The NON-JAVA nation will not be able to go fast,
      Being involved in bearing the burden of ECONOMIC, SOCIAL and POLITICAL failure,
      as well as the explosion of the POPULATION that is from JAVA.
      Not ONE CONTINENT and not ONE LAND
      each ISLAND has its own NATION
      and have their respective sovereignty.
      Seize ORIGINAL PRIBUMI NATIONALISM,
      And don't make room for JAVA OLIGARCHES and FOREIGN PLUTOCRACIES Deceptive anymore.
      JAWASENTRIS NEPOTISM as well
      CHINA COMMUNIST COLLUSION
      in the current system of the UNITY OF BOHONGAN,
      will only nourish the spirit of DESINTEGRATION and prolonged SEPARATISM,
      and it's unstoppable,
      Just waiting time,
      fast or slow
      there is no more national empathy in Nusantara to join JAVA,
      Because of the government in JAVA,
      It's nothing but a NECKLACE and a LICKET.
      Full of LIE, NEPOTISM, and FEODALIS,
      All layers of the nation in every region immediately realize this FACT even though JAWANESIA MEDIA tries to distort it,
      # FREEWESTPAPUA2021
      #FREESULAWESI
      #FREEBORNEO
      #FREESUMATRA
      # DISCONTINUE THE REPUBLIC OF INDONESIA
      # LEAVEJAWANESIA

    • @blackeagle9192
      @blackeagle9192 3 роки тому +33

      @@federasiborneo9348
      NATO (No Action Talk Only)
      👎👎🤣🤣🤣👎👎

  • @sammytsang2948
    @sammytsang2948 3 роки тому +328

    1 person did not like the idea of travel time being cut from 3 hours to 40 minutes.

    • @andrewj3177
      @andrewj3177 3 роки тому +69

      3 hour from JKT to bandung is nonsense, it takes at least 4 hour

    • @Cerita-Kereta
      @Cerita-Kereta 3 роки тому +40

      Currently the fastest Rail services between Jakarta and Bandung is 2hours 50minutes by Argo Parahyangan excellence train servis

    • @wibowopr952
      @wibowopr952 3 роки тому +24

      because the tickets sold are not subsidized by the government like in your country, the ticket prices will be as expensive as in Japan
      only for the rich, this is also against the principles of communism in China

    • @diosundoro5019
      @diosundoro5019 3 роки тому +15

      @@andrewj3177 3 and a half to be honest. I've done Jakarta-Bandung travel via Argo Parahyangan like... dozens of times.

    • @weilee1155
      @weilee1155 3 роки тому +2

      From 3 hours to 40 mins really nothing much
      Not worth the investment

  • @flaklognon6274
    @flaklognon6274 3 роки тому +334

    tech transfer to be able to produce your own replacement parts seem to be a deal breaker in a lot of cases, if you go with japan the maintenance parts are priced thru the roof because they are all made in japan.

    • @AndrewManook
      @AndrewManook 3 роки тому +114

      The Chinese one is more expensive but the tech transfer was included which was the real deal maker.

    • @xraymind
      @xraymind 3 роки тому +126

      Japan doesn't like tech transfer, because when they did it with China, it ended up making China their biggest competitor in high speed rail.

    • @sohambandyopadhyay8378
      @sohambandyopadhyay8378 3 роки тому +57

      It makes sense but I guess Japan has realised they need to change their dealing stance as they recently signed an MOU for shinkansen tech transfer with India.

    • @AhmadFauzi-mw4gq
      @AhmadFauzi-mw4gq 3 роки тому +12

      @@sohambandyopadhyay8378 right. They only can make deal with Taiwan for this long experience, I guess the deal they create not competitive compare China.

    • @sohambandyopadhyay8378
      @sohambandyopadhyay8378 3 роки тому +52

      @@AhmadFauzi-mw4gq chinese offer is more competitive as chinese engineers and construction companies also actively help in the civil and mechanical work. In Japan's case they usually train the local companies and and now the deal specifies that after 1st railway line operates the tech will will be transferred making the process slower.

  • @CMDrive
    @CMDrive 3 роки тому +111

    There's one crucial points that isn't explained enough that probably fixed the deal with the China rather than Japan. It's the transfer of technology. What it means:
    - Indonesia can make their own parts production, instead of importing them
    - Research and development didn't have to rely on anyone
    - Cheaper maintenance and service
    All of that creates more job opportunities, which in turn create more profit for Indonesia. And by doing it in business instead of government backup, the risks is fully held by the investor, not the country itself.
    Japan did the other way around, only increasing the number of imported parts, dependable on maintenance, and if there's development, Indonesia would have to pay to acquires it. Don't get me wrong, I bet Indonesian would prefer to have Shinkansen but in the long term it just doesn't worth it. The government is the smart one here.

    • @franksun4017
      @franksun4017 3 роки тому +2

      Which train did they want?

    • @chloro8306
      @chloro8306 3 роки тому +9

      China is much better about this just in general. They are much fairer partners in these kinds of deals.

    • @vicidijendra598
      @vicidijendra598 3 роки тому +4

      @@franksun4017 they'll have cr400af new gen

    • @franksun4017
      @franksun4017 3 роки тому +4

      @@vicidijendra598 Oh that's a good one, they will be happy for the product saying from my own experience. It beats airlines, quiet, smooth, less weather dependent and your ears don't hurt; tbh sometimes I'd rather take 1 more hour and take the train.

    • @nmew6926
      @nmew6926 2 роки тому +20

      Also Japan is a country dictated by US. In future US can tell Japan to impose sanctions on Indonesia denying them spare parts because on supposed human rights issues or democracy.

  • @muhamadkenzo7433
    @muhamadkenzo7433 3 роки тому +126

    Hes pronounciation of "kereta cepat" is not that bad quiet good actually, was surprised.

    • @hull4bal00
      @hull4bal00 3 роки тому +5

      Maybe because he is not native English speaker.

    • @bayuwahyuadi3999
      @bayuwahyuadi3999 3 роки тому

      Wkwkkw

    • @vikneswaranradah1533
      @vikneswaranradah1533 3 роки тому +1

      Hutang dengan China nanti bawa susah

    • @preddysaragih3034
      @preddysaragih3034 3 роки тому +2

      @@vikneswaranradah1533 hutang ke IMF, WORLD BANK lebih berbahaya Dan mematikan dibandingkan dengan china.

    • @vikneswaranradah1533
      @vikneswaranradah1533 3 роки тому

      @@preddysaragih3034 wrong. Hutang dgn China lagi bahaya. Tengok Sri Lanka

  • @ramliremeli1141
    @ramliremeli1141 3 роки тому +33

    Indonesia amat bercita cita tinggi dlm menyiapkan project HSR ini... Bukan mimpi... Bukan drama sinetron.... hebat skali...

    • @deutchlanduberalles5581
      @deutchlanduberalles5581 3 роки тому +3

      Are u Malaysian?👍

    • @yogaadiputra9722
      @yogaadiputra9722 3 роки тому +3

      Hehehe apakah di Malaysia projects HSR KL to Singapore akan jadi di bina bro..,😊🤗😁😄

    • @noily8974
      @noily8974 3 роки тому +3

      Lalu setelah pindah ibukota, keturunannya melanjutkan "proyek" hsr di kalimantan

    • @hanasyalomita6015
      @hanasyalomita6015 3 роки тому +1

      Drama malaysia emang hebat

    • @arielrifkycahyadi1353
      @arielrifkycahyadi1353 3 роки тому +2

      there are 7 big island in Indonesia yet only java and Sumatra got train and good freeway, Hebat Sekali Indonesia

  • @fredfrond6148
    @fredfrond6148 3 роки тому +39

    Honestly China has built like 36,000 KM of high speed rail. They have automated and standardized the construction of high speed rail like nobody else can.

  • @wibowopr952
    @wibowopr952 3 роки тому +195

    that is the strategy of mothers in indonesia when bargaining the price of groceries in traditional markets
    pretend to cancel so that the seller can lower the price and give an advantage or added value to the buyer
    moreover if there is competition between sellers #yasalam 😂

    • @RailwaysExplained
      @RailwaysExplained  3 роки тому +27

      haha, cool

    • @nischaymiglani2617
      @nischaymiglani2617 3 роки тому +50

      This happened in most of the Asian countries. Even in my country also. 😅😂

    • @krisnadiimam4556
      @krisnadiimam4556 3 роки тому +52

      actually not that bad, its just china is far more agresive in marketing their services. however imho, the Jakarta Surabaya line would bring the biggest benefit for us. especially after we move passenger to dedicated line, the old line can be fully utilized for freight. that would greatly improve our economy.

    • @M_Jono
      @M_Jono 3 роки тому +2

      anjay bener bgt 😁

    • @Neuvari
      @Neuvari 3 роки тому +3

      its used by many chinese indonesian LMAO, i do it as well

  • @929glove
    @929glove 2 роки тому +33

    I really am hoping the best for Indonesians, now is the time for Indonesia claim its rightful place on the world map. I'm a Filipino. We are also experiencing tremendous success in infrastructure growth due to excellence in leadership 👏

    • @ganiburn
      @ganiburn 2 роки тому +2

      Metro Manila Subway, North South Commuter Railway and New Manila International Airport. So excited for MEGA Manila.
      Hopefully Mindanao Railway will push through.

  • @adnanmizfary654
    @adnanmizfary654 3 роки тому +68

    Love this explanation! While in our own media, it is usually fueled by hatred or too highly opiniated without seeing the actual fact.

  • @gordonchao3074
    @gordonchao3074 3 роки тому +150

    Most of the problems you said that may happen are also problems that people speculated would happened when China built its first HSR.

    • @lvjinbin28
      @lvjinbin28 3 роки тому +46

      remember when CNN said nobody will use HSR because it's too expensive ticket..
      but when Chinese GDP grows due to HSR then it's less and less expensive ticket..

    • @mirizid9667
      @mirizid9667 3 роки тому +30

      @@lvjinbin28 You trust CNN?

    • @DumRock1
      @DumRock1 3 роки тому +23

      ​@@lvjinbin28 CNN? lol

    • @taknaknak4957
      @taknaknak4957 3 роки тому +1

      @@adiba9734 sekarang bunuh emitten nikel 🤣

    • @taiwan6691
      @taiwan6691 3 роки тому +15

      @@lvjinbin28 Joke: CNN & BBC

  • @mikeb10633
    @mikeb10633 3 роки тому +34

    I've studied Japanese Literature in college, since the news broke about my country sign a deal with China regarding high speed rail, one of my professor always brings this stuff up EVERY SINGLE CLASS until me and my mates knew when he's going to rant about it. His salt is real

    • @mohamadrafli_perlengkapan3247
      @mohamadrafli_perlengkapan3247 3 роки тому +4

      Wah sabar bro
      Asia timur rasis sih

    • @andrewfoy4737
      @andrewfoy4737 3 роки тому +2

      @@mohamadrafli_perlengkapan3247 rasis bapaklu. Gak salah lah kalo mereka merasa dikhianati.

    • @revansyah3478
      @revansyah3478 3 роки тому

      @@mohamadrafli_perlengkapan3247 Asia timur rasis
      Pake nama orang jepang
      Oh sungguh ironis

    • @mohamadrafli_perlengkapan3247
      @mohamadrafli_perlengkapan3247 3 роки тому +2

      @@andrewfoy4737 lah? Fakta wkkwwk Asia timur emang yang paling rasis bahkan mereka masuk 3 besar rasisme dunia.

    • @mohamadrafli_perlengkapan3247
      @mohamadrafli_perlengkapan3247 3 роки тому +5

      @@andrewfoy4737 Ini bisnis
      Dalam bisnis gak ada kata teman! Bisnis ya bisnis mau udah Deket banget kek tapi kalo ada yang lebih diuntungkan ya buat apa pilih teman? Broool sadar ini bisniss antar negara bukan kek elu ngutang di warteg

  • @M_Jono
    @M_Jono 3 роки тому +65

    the most important is Jakarta - Surabaya route because it is super busy , pre pandemic I often bussines trip to Surabaya , in morning at 5 - 7am there were more than 30 -50 flights going to Surabaya... crazy.
    am really appreciate your deep investigation about this project 👍

    • @federasiborneo9348
      @federasiborneo9348 3 роки тому

      INDONESIA will be BROKEN or DIVERGENTED
      The majority of NKRI policies made so far have adopted elements of COLONIALISM and NEPOTISM.
      Whatever the PARTY, whatever the ORMAS, whoever the FIGURE of the organization,
      USEFUL because they are all DOLLS under the INFLUENCE and INTERVENTION of the oligarchs or the JAVA NATION POLITICAL ELITE.
      If we were more careful
      Those who do not want the PAPUA nation, the BORNEO nation, and the ACEH nation to be FREE
      only the JAVA nation.
      The BHINEKA TUNGGAL IKA is a TAMENG for JAVA opportunists who are greedy and greedy from the "SETTLER COLONIALISM" activity.
      now and in the future,
      sufficient for the nation in each ISLAND is DESINTEGRATION and BERDAULAT aka MERDEKA,
      Why is there DESINTEGRATION?
      because of INDEPENDENCE,
      is the RIGHT of every nation,
      whether he is the nation of PAPUA, the nation of ACEH, the nation of BORNEO,
      Malay Nation, MALUKU nation and other nations.
      The formulation of the UUD by the aristocrats in the past stated "INDEPENDENCE is the RIGHT of all nations" in order to protect the nations that exist in NUSANTARA in the event of a PARTY abuse of power by a group or community.
      Since it was built, NKRI was only for the benefit of the JAVA nation and CHINA PLUTOCRATION
      NON-JAVA Nation
      Intentionally led in a SYSTEMIC manner so as not to maximize
      Potential natural resources and human resources in their respective regions,
      In order to remain AWFUL and POOR and not mastering KNOWLEDGE / TECHNOLOGY.
      we NON-JAVA nation are not HERO
      If the MONEY IS PRINTED with FOREIGN DEBT,
      but only used to build MODERN EDUCATION INFRASTRUCTURE centralized in JAVA.
      we NON-JAVA nation are not HERO
      If INVESTORS (CAPITAL) are invited
      then led only to build MANUFACTURING (INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTION and PROCESSING ACTIVITIES)
      centralized in JAVA.
      we are NON-JAVA, not HERO
      Because they are OLIGARKIES IN JAVA
      And CHINA PLUTOCRACY does not want NON-JAVA NATIONS EDUCATED and PRODUCTIVE.
      The NON-JAVA nation will not be able to go fast,
      Being involved in bearing the burden of ECONOMIC, SOCIAL and POLITICAL failure,
      as well as the explosion of the POPULATION that is from JAVA.
      Not ONE CONTINENT and not ONE LAND
      each ISLAND has its own NATION
      and have their respective sovereignty.
      Seize ORIGINAL PRIBUMI NATIONALISM,
      And don't make room for JAVA OLIGARCHES and FOREIGN PLUTOCRACIES Deceptive anymore.
      JAWASENTRIS NEPOTISM as well
      CHINA COMMUNIST COLLUSION
      in the current system of the UNITY OF BOHONGAN,
      will only nourish the spirit of DESINTEGRATION and prolonged SEPARATISM,
      and it's unstoppable,
      Just waiting time,
      fast or slow
      there is no more national empathy in Nusantara to join JAVA,
      Because of the government in JAVA,
      It's nothing but a NECKLACE and a LICKET.
      Full of LIE, NEPOTISM, and FEODALIS,
      All layers of the nation in every region immediately realize this FACT even though JAWANESIA MEDIA tries to distort it,
      # FREEWESTPAPUA2021
      #FREESULAWESI
      #FREEBORNEO
      #FREESUMATRA
      # DISCONTINUE THE REPUBLIC OF INDONESIA
      # LEAVEJAWANESIA

    • @an.k96
      @an.k96 3 роки тому +9

      @@federasiborneo9348 wkwkwkwk ya² semoga mimpumu bisa ter penuhi, tp semua tulisan² mu itu sedikit demi setikit di patahkan pemerintah jokowi sekarang, kita lihat saja di akhir pemerintahan yg sekarang ini akan seperti apa Indonesia terutama daerah luar jawa.
      hampir semua copy'an mu di atas itu bullshit.
      keep dreaming man💩🖕

    • @an.k96
      @an.k96 3 роки тому +2

      @@federasiborneo9348 waduuuh siap tuan, semoga cita² anda bisa terwujud🤣🤣🤭

    • @jajajaja2616
      @jajajaja2616 3 роки тому

      @@an.k96 dia komen apa?

    • @an.k96
      @an.k96 3 роки тому +1

      @@jajajaja2616 lah di hapus kyknya, komennya pk b Inggris bro, intinya dia mendukung perpecahan pulau² di luar jawa kyk, Papua, Sumatra, Kalimantan dll, dan di sertai beberapa alasan, katanya yg mendukung NKRI cm orang² jawa, dan dia nyebut orang² jawa dg pangilan jongos² jawa, kyknya dia orang Kalimantan deh, pokonya komenya panjang bgt lah, tipe² komen kopyan pke b Inggris pula

  • @GyacoYu
    @GyacoYu 3 роки тому +147

    11:50 The Chinese train ticket has unified domestic price except for those of Guangzhou Railway Group, so there's no point you should mention Nanjing-Shanghai to be wealthy because those of Yunnan has the same price. The Chinese domestic one are cheaper because China Railway (CR) receives giant amount of government subsidy to boost the economy (conventional trains has not changed ticket rate for 3 decades and if you understand the economy of China in 1990s you'd understand how cheap it must have been). If Indonesian government wants to do the same they're very welcomed to do so. Train services in China is a government-sponsored welfare, you can never compare any commercial service with a welfare, can you?

    • @jonnygiger9794
      @jonnygiger9794 3 роки тому +1

      Is the price unified at a rate per km, or does every train ticket cost the same amount, no matter the distance?

    • @LeonZhangCD
      @LeonZhangCD 3 роки тому +11

      @@jonnygiger9794 per km

    • @krollpeter
      @krollpeter 3 роки тому +24

      @@jonnygiger9794 Financially the railway lines are a loss for China. It does however boost economies left and right the lines, and that was the intention from the beginning.
      Now to the Indonesian Jakarta - Bandung line. A high speed railway line for a 140 km stretch is like a Ferrari for Singapore, useless. A train that travel 200 kph reliably would do it perfectly well. The line to Surabaya in the north is the one that should be highspeed.

    • @jeanleveille5319
      @jeanleveille5319 3 роки тому +12

      I did Shanghai to Nanjing with the Bullet-Train, I really enjoyed it.

    • @GyacoYu
      @GyacoYu 3 роки тому +7

      ​@@jonnygiger9794 For sure per km, but more complicated than that. There's a zh-Wikipedia article about it: zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E9%93%81%E8%B7%AF%E5%AE%A2%E8%BF%90%E8%BD%A6%E7%A5%A8%E4%B8%8E%E7%A5%A8%E4%BB%B7
      Price are different concerning different train class, from cheap to expensive:
      1-5999 "Regular" (slow)
      6000-9999 "Regular-fast" (slow)
      K1-9999 (fast)
      T1-9999 (express)
      Z1-9999 (direct-express)
      * All of above have varieties with and without air-conditioning. Air-conditioned train almost doubles the price.
      * S/Y (commuter/) can be any of the train cars from "Regular" to D-class; price depends on individual train.
      C (intercity) 160km/h-350km/h
      D (multiple-units) 160km/h-250km/h
      G (high-speed multiple-units) 250km/h-350km/h
      The author was talking about the G-trains between Nanjing and Shanghai, I believe.

  • @muhammadandikaaryasatyaput454
    @muhammadandikaaryasatyaput454 3 роки тому +47

    finally our HSR insight video that isn't biased as much like (even) our national media. Good job!

    • @anblue1633
      @anblue1633 3 роки тому +2

      wkwk apalagi di detik, berita nya rada bias

    • @krisnadiimam4556
      @krisnadiimam4556 3 роки тому +4

      whoever builds it, we will benefit from it. I'm just glad we finally have modern transport available. also it would be nice if those 3 countries can work well with each other despite their past differences.

    • @rommelcheah87
      @rommelcheah87 3 роки тому

      What are they saying over there?

    • @krisnadiimam4556
      @krisnadiimam4556 3 роки тому +2

      @@rommelcheah87 Anblue said our media is biased. earlier there are comments that may reflect negatively towards our country made by another person, but it was no longer there. basically saying we are well versed in bargaining that kind of taking advantage of China and Japan rivalry. while its probably not completely wrong, but that's no why it happened.

  • @kaz3991
    @kaz3991 3 роки тому +63

    Well you can imagine how the Japanese are annoyed by the Indonesian government. it’s simply rude to let the competitor see the plan that they spent millions to prepare. You can claim that was part of politics or national interest, but the right call is made by the Japanese

    • @一个说话大声的中国人
      @一个说话大声的中国人 3 роки тому +9

      Indonesian is much worse than rude. Japanese loved Indonesian in WW2. Indonesian loved the Japanese in WW2. Japanese saved Indonesia in WW2. Indonesian must worship the Japanese.

    • @IA100KPDT
      @IA100KPDT 3 роки тому +24

      Its all business. Whoever can gives the best offer win. Suck it up.

    • @一个说话大声的中国人
      @一个说话大声的中国人 3 роки тому +3

      @@IA100KPDT Yes! Suck it up. Business is war. WW2 isn't the last war.

    • @benny.pepper
      @benny.pepper 3 роки тому +26

      @@一个说话大声的中国人 u high bro?

    • @一个说话大声的中国人
      @一个说话大声的中国人 3 роки тому +3

      @@benny.pepper u brain?

  • @route55qatar
    @route55qatar 3 роки тому +81

    I learn so much from this presentation. Thank you for sharing!!!
    FYI, Jakarta - Bandung will have "Fuxing Hao" Train set.

    • @RailwaysExplained
      @RailwaysExplained  3 роки тому +11

      We mentioned in the video that trains sets which will be used on this line is CR400AF Fuxing type.

    • @route55qatar
      @route55qatar 3 роки тому +8

      @@RailwaysExplained I missed that. LOL

    • @rajuseth1683
      @rajuseth1683 3 роки тому +6

      do u mean fucking how?

    • @xfauzi
      @xfauzi 3 роки тому +3

      @@rajuseth1683 hahahahahha

    • @djspeakoflegend8268
      @djspeakoflegend8268 3 роки тому +1

      U should learn more of train tech

  • @adiabd1
    @adiabd1 3 роки тому +47

    Finally, there's a good use of *slow* drone footage shot by those youtubers as stock footage. Nice video essay btw

  • @gilamotion
    @gilamotion 3 роки тому +12

    You covers much more details than our national media, thanks dude! this is very informative.

  • @indraprasthatan4767
    @indraprasthatan4767 3 роки тому +48

    So it's privately funded between Chinese and Indonesian Companies, unlike Japan that insists Indonesian government involved in funding the joint project Jakarta - Surabaya HSR.I have yet to hear the "Debt Trap propaganda"input.

    • @PissMenn
      @PissMenn 3 роки тому +8

      It's not entirely private since those are State owned enterprises by both Indonesian and Chinese, which majority shares controlled by their respective government.

    • @truthseeker1934
      @truthseeker1934 3 роки тому +9

      It's basically G2G with more steps. Both Indonesian and Chinese members of the consortium are state-owned enterprises. Their loss would be the state's loss as well.

    • @mirizid9667
      @mirizid9667 3 роки тому +1

      @@PissMenn but still. The central government almost didn't spend their GDP at this.

    • @PissMenn
      @PissMenn 3 роки тому +5

      @@mirizid9667 spent their GDP? what do you mean? Government spending is part of GDP

    • @ganjarwb57
      @ganjarwb57 3 роки тому +4

      @@truthseeker1934 Perhaps.. but this way the gov will not need to include it in their annual budget which requires approval from the parliament (which is unlikely).. Also if the KCIC venture goes belly up, the gov has the option of not bailing it out... unlike G2G scheme which requires the gov to actually commit taxpayer money from the very beginning...

  • @pahatpahat9566
    @pahatpahat9566 3 роки тому +109

    To those who have had been caught in the Jakarta traffic jam, the HSR must come as a blessing. Looking at the comments, the proposed price was rather high for the commuters but with Indonesia gaining economic progress maybe by the time it is ready and with some practical adjustments, the Indonesians might be able to get the HSR going. After all Indonesia has the resources as well as the people to deliver, especially with the present President who is seen to have positive policies on Indonesian economic progress! For once, it looks like corruption isn't the rule of the game!

    • @Fauzanarief-n7i
      @Fauzanarief-n7i 3 роки тому +15

      Yes, but i think it also need integration with mass transport system like Mrt and busses. Big city like bandung and surabaya are deperately need public transport

    • @vicidijendra598
      @vicidijendra598 3 роки тому +9

      @@Fauzanarief-n7i couldnt agree more me living in surabaya cant get away from my own vehicles, surabaya indeed need that due to more people coming here and we dont have any proper public transport yet

    • @Fauzanarief-n7i
      @Fauzanarief-n7i 3 роки тому +1

      @@vicidijendra598 yep, i also live near surabaya ( sidoarjo exactly) and there is no reliable, fast, and comfort public transport in surabaya other than suroboyo bus (not really practical for daily because you have to pay with plastic bottle)

    • @kucingmasjid_3345
      @kucingmasjid_3345 3 роки тому +2

      It looks "like" corruption isn't the rule of the game... I hope you mean it seems like it or probably joking?
      I think building public transportation is absolutely important. It can reduce pollution, global warming, and effective in controlling traffic. But... Please don't do it like this. It is also what happened to that toll road. Who want to spend IDR 1 million just to drive from Surabaya to Jakarta if not the rich ones? This mechanism doesn't give a significant impact to citizens in general. Besides, why not focusing on intra-city public transportation first, rather than inter-city? Also, reducing the production of self-owned transportation such as cars or motorcycles? Although the latter is hard to achieve because it matters in the heart of the investors. As you know, Japan is the one who's investing in that port in Sukabumi so to make it easier for the vehicle's importing scenarios. Being "go green" is rather a joke. But being corrupt is a must. For every project, there's this "invisible hand" that's searching for a free meal. The government already made the country into a slum under the feet of the richest. The country's sovereignity fall under the hand of the capitals, without trying to understand deeply the need of its people. It is such a shame.

  • @gagassurya19
    @gagassurya19 3 роки тому +28

    I am glad my president brought this hsr china to my country. Hopefully my country can pick up the technology and be able to make its own in the future.

  • @Titot182
    @Titot182 3 роки тому +26

    This reminds me of when i played transport tycoon as a kid and tried to model the rail network across Java. The main corridor would indeed be between Jakarta, Bandung, Semarang and Surabaya for business reasons, but considering the cultural significance for tourism in the south, it does seem prudent to extend the network to Jogja and Solo.
    As for track gauge changes, I never knew that China had a similar system to Talgo. Another thing that you've yet to mention. How are they going to electrify the entire network? I'm not being funny, my parents are used to rolling blackouts in Java, so the question is will there be sufficient energy to support the 25kV?
    I also won't put it past an orang kampung from a rural to try and steal the electricity.

  • @newageoffreedom
    @newageoffreedom Рік тому +4

    Always good to see 2 countries benefiting each other. The technology transfer is important as it enables the country to be self-reliant. Teach a man how to fish instead of merely selling him fish. Indonesian government has chosen wisely. All the best!

  • @anonomia5535
    @anonomia5535 3 роки тому +81

    To me, ticket prices of 35 USD sound quite high for a 140 km journey, especially in Indonesia. A 40 minutes journey would make daily commuting possible, but not for this price. And even for weekly commutes, only the wealthy would be able to pay this, I think. In conclusion, I agree with the doubts about the passenger projections mentioned in the video. I hope they could reduce the ticket price a bit. Furthermore, I think a line like this could only reach its full potential when it gets extended. 140 km is arguably a bit short for high-speed rail.

    • @MrJimheeren
      @MrJimheeren 3 роки тому +24

      There are an awful lot of very rich and well to do Indonesians so I don’t think the price will be that big of a problem. Plus the normal trains are not going away. Which btw is not that much cheaper. I’m pretty sure I paid something like 25 $ for a ticket Jakarta Bandung a couple of years ago

    • @roxaskaragi879
      @roxaskaragi879 3 роки тому +60

      As indonesian the price actually make sense, if you from Jakarta and go to bandung it will take you about 2 hours, if we count Toll-Road Fee, Gas for the car, and time spend on the road (and we still don't talk about traffic jam which is usually happen in the weekend)
      It already cost you about $30. And we still didn't talk about going to rest area.
      So if i were a business man or have an important thing to do in bandung i definitely will take the HSR rather than going with car

    • @anonomia5535
      @anonomia5535 3 роки тому +17

      @@MrJimheeren ​ As far as I see, the normal train should cost around 7-10 USD. 35 USD might be a good price for wealthy people or businessmen, but I would rather see public transport as something everyone (or at least most people) can use. I'm not sure whether this project could reach that goal.

    • @MrJimheeren
      @MrJimheeren 3 роки тому

      @@anonomia5535 yeah I probably bought first class tickets when I think of it

    • @manuel6273
      @manuel6273 3 роки тому +8

      I kind of disagree about the pricing but I couldn't agree more about the route. Java HSR will reach its full potential when it gets extended to Surabaya.

  • @adimasguntur
    @adimasguntur Рік тому +12

    Just so you know, the construction is completed and will be open in August. So, the one who cooperates with Japan, where's your train now?😂😂😂

    • @ianhomerpura8937
      @ianhomerpura8937 Рік тому

      Tbf, in exchange, Japan got the Jakarta MRT project.

  • @itsthatsem
    @itsthatsem 3 роки тому +34

    So amazing to see Indonesia moving up and looking really good for the future ahead! Can only imagine the convenience and time saved for the people for generations to come!
    Well done Indonesia! Congratulations President Jokovi! Thank you China and thank you Chairman Xi!
    ✨🇨🇳🤝🇮🇩✨

  • @bhavyasharma3224
    @bhavyasharma3224 3 роки тому +5

    🎉🎉🎉 Wishing good luck for Indonesian brothers and sisters best of luck from india 🇮🇳

  • @albertwong1919
    @albertwong1919 3 роки тому +92

    Looks like a win-win where both parties benefit by working together.

    • @freedombro6502
      @freedombro6502 3 роки тому +9

      Only china benefits

    • @agnostikisbetter1893
      @agnostikisbetter1893 3 роки тому +23

      @@freedombro6502 both benefits

    • @alexma3939
      @alexma3939 3 роки тому +36

      @@freedombro6502 if only chinese benefits then you think indonisia people is foolish? NO!, local people is smart, you are brainless

    • @boycottsouthkorea5271
      @boycottsouthkorea5271 3 роки тому +5

      only Indonesian "politicians" got benefits.

  • @metagde6402
    @metagde6402 3 роки тому +12

    The weebs are mad in comment section
    You win somewhere you lose somewhere
    The chinese trains are just as good as japanese trains

  • @vindictivegrind9370
    @vindictivegrind9370 3 роки тому +140

    Not to be mean, but I almost thought Joko was Obama in a hat until you said his name

  • @hokanh579
    @hokanh579 2 роки тому +14

    Thank you for the video, Railways Explained. As usual, your video is excellent. However, as of December 2021, I would like to note several things for the audiences:
    1. The Indonesian Government actually gave the Japanese Feasibility Study to China, and it caused the Japanese Government to be mad. This caused the Chinese Proposal to be cheaper as they do not need to do feasibility studies and a lot of surveying.
    2. The Jakarta-Bandung HSR is also funded by the State Budget (APBN), as of the Fourth Quarter of the Year, since there is a massive cost overblown. This has been a major point of criticism by many people.
    3. More cost overblown caused by miscalculation of the viaduct support, which led to several demolition and realignment.
    4. 1 Metric Ton of railway tracks were stolen some months ago. (suspicious, isn't it?) Thus, adding more costs to the already expensive project
    5. Tegalluar station is not even in Bandung City proper. It is in the Bandung Regency, thus people from the HSR needs to change to local trains to go to Bandung City, adding more travel times and causing the need to transfer trains.
    In my opinion, Indonesia could actually, instead of making HSR, double-tracked the Current Jakarta Bandung Railway and upgrade the signalling. The main cause of the long travel time by trains is the lack of double tracks and winding routes. It should be noted that the railways were initially built by the Dutch as steam locomotives have low adhesion, thus requiring slow gradient increase, thus the winding route. All in all, the Jakarta-Bandung HSR is a bit misplaced, as they should have just double-tracked the existing 1067 mm line, upgrade the signalling, straighten some routes, and done. A much cheaper Jakarta Bandung Railway, no transfer, and drops you directly on the main railway station in Bandung.
    And, from an International Relations perspective, this project is the initial "smooth deal" between Indonesia and China as this project was more diplomatically influenced so that Indonesia could get closer to China. I am currently pessimistic on this project, I was a major supporter back then, but recent developments have shadowed my optimism. Best hopes for this project, lest it drained the state budget.

    • @RailwaysExplained
      @RailwaysExplained  2 роки тому

      Thank you the new insights!

    • @hokanh579
      @hokanh579 2 роки тому +1

      @@dharmapratama.i9487 gak salah sih mas. Dan bener juga kata mas. Berkenankah di terjemahkan ke Inggris?

    • @CarstenHazz
      @CarstenHazz 2 роки тому

      @@dharmapratama.i9487 tapi pernah kepikiran ga pemerintah udah sadar kalau bangun transportasi berbasis rel kaya gini bakal makan biaya banyak makanya bangun in the middle of nowhere, like Malaysia did with their MRT. Jadi mereka buat tranportasi umum gini tuh cuman untuk merangsang pembangunan, better city planning. Kan selama ini kita kalau bangun transportasi kalau udah macet atau stuck dulu baru gusur gusur yang jadinya cost more than it should be.

  • @jdrudolfp2
    @jdrudolfp2 3 роки тому +31

    Wow. I didn't know that in detail. Thanks for sharing this on youtube, so Indonesian people abroad such as myself can get abreast with the development that are currently taking place. Grüß aus Hannover.

    • @dextera-tx1099
      @dextera-tx1099 3 роки тому +1

      Doakan juga ya bang semoga Indonesia jalan ke arah yang benar, dan salam dan bilang ke kawan kawan yang di luar sana kalau ada berkeinginan untuk balik atau tua di sini share yang kalian dapat disana ke generasi berikutnya dan bantu membangun Indonesia ya. Kalau dengan alasan tertentu kalian tidak bisa, saya mohon maaf karena cuma bisa minta juga wkwkwk

    • @jdrudolfp2
      @jdrudolfp2 3 роки тому

      @@dextera-tx1099 Siap. Thanka for your words of encouragement.

  • @james_aurora
    @james_aurora 3 роки тому +25

    before you comment please watch the video untill end, so basically in this project, the japaneese took a position as a debt trapper not chineese, they didn't want to transfer their technology, they didn't want to use B to B Process, but G to G and made the Indonesian Government must pay the project. but with china, the Transfer Of Tech was clear, it used B to B project, and they didn't make the government pay, but the state owned company did it.
    only fools think this is not profitable, this is might be the smartest ways to do a good policy
    well done china! and good job Jokowi

    • @nationalistliberal1320
      @nationalistliberal1320 3 роки тому +1

      The sweet benefits of being a non-aligned country, you can focus on price and benefits instead of diplomatic blocs

    • @ravlipratama6413
      @ravlipratama6413 3 роки тому

      @@nationalistliberal1320 yapp

    • @minus21334
      @minus21334 3 роки тому +1

      @@nationalistliberal1320 waiting for indonesia HSR company to build our HSR here in malaysia

    • @lvjinbin28
      @lvjinbin28 3 роки тому +12

      Japan Asian Bank and Western IMF World Bank got higher rate, but they are called AID...
      then Chinese loans got less conditions but called DEBT TRAP haha,
      then why those politicians didn't take money from West?
      oh it's just because it's more DEBT TRAP than China,
      that's how brainwash works.

    • @budisoemantri2303
      @budisoemantri2303 3 роки тому

      @@lvjinbin28 west propaganda for west supremacy

  • @rizkifauzi7048
    @rizkifauzi7048 2 роки тому +14

    What’s the problem with all these hate comment to China? From an Indonesian point of view, China has proved themself to become the best high speed railways builder even Japan high speed rail network is overwhelmingly small compared to China

    • @s21b0b
      @s21b0b 2 роки тому +2

      China has about 1 billion residents. 94% of them can be classified as living in an area 10x as large as Japan alone. So the area and population is also a major factor. Remember that the Japanese population is still in a decreasing trend.

    • @hendywinanda3617
      @hendywinanda3617 2 роки тому +1

      Itu karena mereka takut china manjadi pemain utama dalam merubah dunia. Harus diakui china adalah negara maju dan berkembang jauh meninggalkan asia

    • @euy7957
      @euy7957 2 роки тому +3

      mostly are in diots

  • @brianperkins7593
    @brianperkins7593 3 роки тому +92

    Indonesia is forging ahead with its road, rail and airport infrastructure.
    It is rapidly moving from third-world to first-world standards, as it already is with healthcare and shopping centres, while Canada and the USA have antiquated rail networks.

    • @edwardcardozo8325
      @edwardcardozo8325 2 роки тому +1

      Not for too long xd

    • @hokanh579
      @hokanh579 2 роки тому +13

      Actually, the rail infrastructure is very minor. As an Indonesian, Indonesia si technically moving upward, but on the ground, not so much. Healthcare is still not up to standards, and a lot of problems in the system.

    • @brianperkins7593
      @brianperkins7593 2 роки тому +15

      I agree with you.
      But it is rapidly improving.
      The newest president is doing a great job.

    • @hokanh579
      @hokanh579 2 роки тому +11

      ​@@brianperkins7593 We can say so. And so is a lot of his labour laws. But compared to the past, yes Indonesia is improving a lot. Just not so much on the railway part. I know my president, as I voted for him in the last election.
      For the roads, he built a lot of things:
      1. The Trans Java Toll Road
      2. Trans Sumatra Toll Road
      Both of these projects are really ambitious and connect the two islands more.
      For the railway, it is barely doing anything.
      Some of the projects:
      1. Trans Sumatra Railway
      The project has been stuck at Medan-Binjai for almost 3 years now.
      2. Trans Sulawesi Railway
      At least it is doing fine in Sulawesi, using the 1435 railway gauge, sadly, Single track only.
      He is more focused on toll roads and politically speaking, his "strong man" has a vested interest in that sector. The Indonesian Railway sector doesn't have any governmental pressure group as most of the companies are State-Owned companies. By the way, further Info about the Jakarta-Bandung HSR is on my comment below, as there are some changes by the Govt. compared to what is said in the video.

    • @brianperkins7593
      @brianperkins7593 2 роки тому +7

      @@hokanh579 You know much more about the situation than I do.
      Interesting to read your comments.
      Thank you.

  • @kaigegu2987
    @kaigegu2987 3 роки тому +62

    Joint venture company was set up just for saving money of the project and training technicians for the project.

  • @Ola-fj9re
    @Ola-fj9re 3 роки тому +29

    Summary from the Japanese side:
    5 years of geological survey with Japanese funds on the premise of receiving an order because of an informal offer from the Indonesian government

    Indonesian president changes

    Submit the results of the geological survey route and plan

    For some incomprehensible reason, Indonesia suddenly decides to use a bidding system

    For some incomprehensible reason, China says it will participate in the bidding

    For some incomprehensible reason, China submits a plan in 5 months that is exactly the same as the route that Japan spent 5 years on geological survey, only the price is different

    China wins the bidding and gets the order
    Indonesian government: "Japan's construction costs are too high"

    China takes time to acquire the land, construction is delayed, and the budget is exceeded

    Indonesia: "Japan can join us" ← Now

    • @牧鎌谷得
      @牧鎌谷得 3 роки тому +1

      Judging from how Indonesia wants the HSR to extend to Surabaya, the route will be different now

    • @dandanfree2925
      @dandanfree2925 3 роки тому +14

      the Ind. gov. believe the seller is eaget to do businnes at any cost.
      Japan will not spend cash for the pride of the country whyle China DOES and this is the reason China use projects x political gains.The indonesians will find out their bargain is not a bargain at all , the strings attached will pull for x 1 century.

    • @xygog2408
      @xygog2408 3 роки тому +1

      Summary : Japan is a sore loser. Weaboo GTFO

    • @arifgunawan9142
      @arifgunawan9142 3 роки тому +1

      so its Japan fault from the first step

    • @maolo76
      @maolo76 3 роки тому +1

      Well I think China delay to aquire land is not their fault but the local Indonesia government. So to suggest China delay aquire land in order to raise the project cost is wrong.

  • @141Travish
    @141Travish Рік тому +3

    Thanks, it's completed
    Will be open for public on August, a special gift for our Independence day.

  • @Trainviking
    @Trainviking 3 роки тому +50

    Would be very interesting. Especially with the technology to change track gauge. However when you look at the costs, I think upgrading is the better option.

    • @haikaloronsentnel138
      @haikaloronsentnel138 3 роки тому +2

      UPGRAD!NG WHAT?!!

    • @voidjavelin23
      @voidjavelin23 10 місяців тому +1

      If you talking about upgrading existing conventional line then pls for the love of god its bad idea

  • @mauryan_empire853
    @mauryan_empire853 2 роки тому +7

    Good luck Indonesia 🇮🇩 for the bullet train project.
    India 🇮🇳 too will have soon.🤝🤝
    🇮🇳🤝 🇮🇩

    • @fh5348
      @fh5348 2 роки тому

      we're struggling because of this project bro

  • @blauwekrijger
    @blauwekrijger 3 роки тому +13

    Excellent negotiations of the Indonesians. It’s a great investment on a prime location. And when it pays out you can do the same on other Islands to make more money.

    • @hyu7335
      @hyu7335 3 роки тому +3

      Maybe the next train project will be in Borneo after the goverment completes the New Capital constructions

    • @faustinuskaryadi6610
      @faustinuskaryadi6610 3 роки тому

      Makassar- Parepare railway is in progress, but just regular train, not HSR.

  • @KusumaWijaya
    @KusumaWijaya 3 роки тому +14

    Hal positif tentang Indonesia government yang orang Indonesia aja gak tahu..
    Good channel

    • @Supirbemo
      @Supirbemo 3 роки тому +3

      Karena media kita kacau

    • @ywdmusic
      @ywdmusic 3 роки тому +1

      @@Supirbemo biasalah politik

    • @revansyah3478
      @revansyah3478 3 роки тому +3

      Hati-hati dengan sekarang ini, lu setuju dengan pemerintah sedikit aja, udah habis lu dibully jir. Emang badjingan politik ini

    • @adipurnama3700
      @adipurnama3700 3 роки тому +5

      @@revansyah3478 iya masak yang pro pemerintah dikit aja dibilang buzzer, padahal yang selalu kritik aja aktif buat konten, komen, dll. Jadi bingung siapa buzzer sebenarnya

    • @mirizid9667
      @mirizid9667 3 роки тому

      @@adipurnama3700 Se7

  • @AliBaba-mb1pu
    @AliBaba-mb1pu 3 роки тому +34

    Bro your videos are so well made. Congrats for your future 100,000 subs soon 💙

  • @bensure1766
    @bensure1766 Рік тому +7

    We never forget Japanese killed our Grandparents.

  • @cliffgeo
    @cliffgeo 3 роки тому +13

    I find it very helpful that a UA-cam video could explain my future trip on one of these high speed trains. Hopefully it goes well! Can't wait to try it, also see you on board fellow Indonesians!

    • @sahabatzenius3714
      @sahabatzenius3714 3 роки тому +1

      Terima Kasih, Energy Of Asia : Onward ASEAN 🇲🇨🇸🇬🇲🇾🇧🇳🇹🇭🇻🇳🇲🇲🇱🇦🇰🇭🇵🇭 x 🇨🇳🇯🇵🇰🇷

    • @letstalk3980
      @letstalk3980 3 роки тому +1

      One of the African countries have high speed trains curtesy of China - ( Tanzania/Kenya)

  • @foorack
    @foorack 3 роки тому +15

    Wow what a quality video. This is a rare gem on UA-cam.

  • @mattardyantoriyadi
    @mattardyantoriyadi 3 роки тому +6

    You realize that we're trully asian when we diplomatically applies the "asian mom" style. Which is basically get the cheapest thing as possible with same benefits with the expensive one. If bargaining needed so be it. We'll bargain until the last blood drop.

  • @lontongstroong
    @lontongstroong 3 роки тому +31

    Other suggestions for next videos:
    1. Newly-inaugurated Tehran double decker metro
    2. Nairobi's new commuter rail. I think their concept is pretty interesting (commuter rail plus free shuttle buses throughout the city center)
    3. Dying rural railways in Japan
    4. Development of hydrogen-powered trains as alternatives to non-electrified diesel train
    5. Indonesia's quest in developing domestically-produced metro rail industry (perhaps the only lower income country other than India that take it seriously)

    • @RailwaysExplained
      @RailwaysExplained  3 роки тому +7

      Thank you for your proposal! Right now, we can tell you that the story about hydrogen trains is coming shortly! :)

    • @manuel6273
      @manuel6273 3 роки тому +7

      Indonesia isn't even a low income country though, it's high middle income country

    • @anonomia5535
      @anonomia5535 3 роки тому +5

      @@RailwaysExplained If I may suggest some more topics:
      - The Grand Paris Express (or don't you consider that as a railway project?), being very ambitious with nearly doubling the existing Paris subway network
      - The existing and upcoming tunnels through the Alps (the longest railway tunnels in the world): the Brenner Base Tunnel and Lyon-Turin railway
      - Thailand's HSR project

    • @lontongstroong
      @lontongstroong 3 роки тому +4

      @@manuel6273 I said 'lower' not 'low'

    • @muhammadfariz2839
      @muhammadfariz2839 3 роки тому +2

      Double-decker train for line 5?

  • @Tobayaba
    @Tobayaba 3 роки тому +131

    Man, i'm too focused on the comments that i forgot to play the video first.

    • @justpeople5870
      @justpeople5870 3 роки тому +3

      eh bogeng gw juga sama

    • @Tobayaba
      @Tobayaba 3 роки тому +5

      @@justpeople5870 Debatnya segar 👌

    • @EsmeClips
      @EsmeClips 3 роки тому +10

      I always do the same. Oftentimes the comment section is more interesting than the actual video, especially when it talks about something hot 😳
      I just cannot resist to immediately scroll down and watch some grown up adults talk like sailors.

    • @Fatbutnotflat
      @Fatbutnotflat 3 роки тому +1

      damn same

    • @budisoemantri2303
      @budisoemantri2303 3 роки тому +3

      @@Tobayaba wkwkwk para railfans di kolom komentar ini seakan2 pakar investasi politik gw mah berdoa aja semoga keretanya nanti bakal aman dan nyaman dipakai

  • @Aldnon
    @Aldnon 3 роки тому +4

    In 2:32 seems to be incorrect. "Declining economy" is a term strictly given to a country that have GDP growth rate of -2%, "Slowed down economy" might be better term for growth that capped in +5.5% and slowed down to 4.7%.

  • @yasagunadi3032
    @yasagunadi3032 3 роки тому +9

    I love your channel, I'm a railfan from Indonesia.

  • @yexu7987
    @yexu7987 3 роки тому +12

    Never been to Jakarta, when this HSR is completed, will pay a visit. See the city and ride first HSR in south east asia. should be cool.

  • @yttean98
    @yttean98 3 роки тому +21

    well done, the docu maker must have some engineering background. This is an example of a win-win deal, the Indo. are a tough negotiator.

    • @kcchong6766
      @kcchong6766 3 роки тому +1

      A入

    • @hyu7335
      @hyu7335 3 роки тому +1

      😂 because we love free products..lol

    • @yttean98
      @yttean98 3 роки тому +1

      @@hyu7335 shown too many times viewers will start thinking is he paid by Edifier as advertisements for their products? I am NOT saying he is.
      There a few NEW products out there now, new Fluance active, etc
      Use a little imagination is will then attract new viewers, viewers get tired easily. I like this channel it talks less and demo. music more unlike other channels, Other channels just Talk, Talk and talk to Describe music, talking is not enough.And these channels disguise reviews as advertisements for manu. products.

    • @mirizid9667
      @mirizid9667 3 роки тому

      @@hyu7335 China proposed $6 billion. Japan proposed $5 billion. Free?

  • @JokoSantoso-sd3vg
    @JokoSantoso-sd3vg 3 роки тому +51

    One major point that's not discussed enough in this video is the Government Guarantee for the funding, should something wrong happens in the future.
    Japan & France demanded this via their G to G proposal, while China's is not.
    The country don't have this kind of money, basically, that's why China's proposal won.
    Combine this with the corrupt mentality of some of Indonesian officials, the G to G funding will not end well for this huge project.
    Sad but it's the cold hard truth.

    • @ibnu9969
      @ibnu9969 3 роки тому +2

      wkw serasa investasi bodong bro gak perlu jaminan apa" tapi dijamin pasti untung gede

    • @cahyapelwarie566
      @cahyapelwarie566 3 роки тому +16

      @@ibnu9969 ya gimana ya, pejabat kita suka korupsi, dan lagi pilihan ini udah tepat buat minimalkan risiko yg tidak dinginkan.

    • @JokoSantoso-sd3vg
      @JokoSantoso-sd3vg 3 роки тому +6

      @@ibnu9969 Hehe, ga ada jaminan bakalan sukses om, sama seperti bisnis/investasi lainnya.
      Kalau mau diskusi beneran, ayok, saya jabarin, tapi kalo cuma mau menghujat/debat kusir, silakan aja lah, saya gak ikut ikut

    • @ganjarwijaksana711
      @ganjarwijaksana711 3 роки тому +9

      Nothing to do with corruption or corrupt officials actually..
      The main reason why the gov could not, or would not, provide Government Guarantee is because it means the gov would have to budget it in APBN, which means it will have to be scrutinized and approved by parliament (DPR), which means it will unlikely to be approved because it is considered to be a 'luxury infrastructure' that is not urgent and may cause jealousy elsewhere and also taxpayer money is better spent on other more urgent infra projects...
      Without a Goverment Guarantee, it means no taxpayer money will be spent on it and it's all purely the developers and investors money.. If there are investors brave enough to construct it with their own money without gov assistance, then there's no reason why the gov would not support it.. after all the gov is always looking for investors to invest in our infra projects..

    • @JokoSantoso-sd3vg
      @JokoSantoso-sd3vg 3 роки тому +11

      @@ganjarwijaksana711 This is a valid point, although the corruption will have a lot to do if Govt. were to choose the G to G loan instead of B to B.
      Indo law stated that every Government money (including loans) must go through the senate approval (Banggar DPR) & this is where the problem will start.
      Every senator, govt official & their pets would want 'a piece of the huge cake' & the corruption vaganza will start by trying to make their families or friends winning the construction, supplier tenders.
      You know this WILL happen, just like usual.
      But, yea, your point is also valid. 👍

  • @catonpillow
    @catonpillow 3 роки тому +99

    So where is the 'mе$$еd up' part? I saw no triangles, squares or octagons, just Japan and China investing in Indonesian infrastructure. Which is beneficial for each of the parties involved.

    • @waynet8953
      @waynet8953 3 роки тому +3

      Japan lost the bid!

    • @catonpillow
      @catonpillow 3 роки тому +40

      @@waynet8953 Well yeah and that's part of the business. But they still got another project of comparable size. So it's not like they're not gaining anything. As I said, there are no losers here and there's nothing 'messed up'. Just business as usual.

    • @waynet8953
      @waynet8953 3 роки тому +1

      @@catonpillow: That's good..what's the other project?

    • @catonpillow
      @catonpillow 3 роки тому +7

      @@waynet8953 Upgrading Jakarta - Surabaya line.

    • @baskorotejo92
      @baskorotejo92 3 роки тому +13

      japan did the study, china got the job....

  • @lizhongshen
    @lizhongshen 3 роки тому +10

    Japan won the high speed rail contract of Vietnam, Thailand, and India. So far 0 km of rail is built

    • @MSI_kr
      @MSI_kr 3 роки тому +1

      Damm it I think japan will do better,china so on... Not build that much. Both just same I think now

    • @pundalikwalke1590
      @pundalikwalke1590 3 роки тому +3

      In India it is due to local issues.

    • @faustinuskaryadi6610
      @faustinuskaryadi6610 3 роки тому +7

      Japan is slow like 90 years old man. Ooops, I forgot majority of Japanese already hit that age.

    • @hull4bal00
      @hull4bal00 3 роки тому +9

      It's not only about tech,
      While japan have high tech but they don't have capabilities for this kind of project,
      Meanwhile China has capabilities in tech, financial, political, and human resources, this is something that Japan lacking

    • @rakasangsakawiraperkasa7309
      @rakasangsakawiraperkasa7309 3 роки тому +12

      Trust me, Japan will only sell older gen shinkanzen for other countries and keep the latest gen for themselves

  • @XnonXte
    @XnonXte 3 роки тому +30

    FYI most of our Commuter line are used Japanese EMUs, so indonesia and Japan has already been a partner in railway developments. But China is on another whole level

  • @blacked2987
    @blacked2987 2 роки тому +9

    *The recent huge collaborations between China and Indonesia is a huge win for the Pacific really! 🇨🇳❤️🇮🇩... China Indonesia France and Italy must work towards making TROPICAL countries the top power*...

  • @yogaadiputra9722
    @yogaadiputra9722 3 роки тому +52

    Good job projects HSR in the world In INDONESIA Jakarta to Bandung..

    • @arielrifkycahyadi1353
      @arielrifkycahyadi1353 3 роки тому +3

      there are 7 big island in Indonesia yet only java and Sumatra got train and good freeway, well done Indonesia

    • @Yow_w
      @Yow_w 3 роки тому +6

      @@arielrifkycahyadi1353 Because the number of inhabitants on each island is different, if it is built on an island with a large population, it can be profitable.

    • @saffroneeagle4685
      @saffroneeagle4685 3 роки тому +2

      Man your name is too beautifull

  • @bluebear6570
    @bluebear6570 3 роки тому +8

    It must be painful for the US that a country like Indonesia, which has just risen an inch above being a third-world place, can do something which seems to be impossible in the US.

    • @sarifahkids8034
      @sarifahkids8034 3 роки тому +1

      can't be compared, it's just a train and that's not what we made ourselves.

    • @TotemoGaijin
      @TotemoGaijin 2 роки тому

      As much as I'd love to have HSR in the US, its just not super feasible due to the sheer size of the country combined with just how ingrained car culture is to daily life.

  • @HTeo-og1lg
    @HTeo-og1lg 2 роки тому +4

    For the people living in Jakarta (in fact, on the island of Java, included), this project is a must.
    Please speed up the building of the high-speed rail to include Semarang, Tegal, Bekasi, and Debok, into a network of High-speed + Light-rail interchange stations too . Do not delay any longer!!
    Due to lack of good government, we have neglected this for too long already.

  • @naurasal9165
    @naurasal9165 3 роки тому +80

    Seeing Indian High Speed Railway, as an Indonesian.... I think we will chose China for Jakarta BANDUNG Surabaya HSR.

    • @chjin1796
      @chjin1796 3 роки тому +17

      I think it's lucky for China to lose India's high-speed rail order. There are too many problems with building high-speed rail in India.

    • @sachinvlogs4017
      @sachinvlogs4017 3 роки тому +24

      Its your choice........but we Indians dont prefer china and prefer Japan for bullet train......and for your Information Indian high speed rail is delayed because of land acquisition problem there is no other problem

    • @jurgenangler5294
      @jurgenangler5294 3 роки тому +11

      @@sachinvlogs4017
      Wasn't it a mechanical failure in the japan rail line that was reported by hindustantimes.
      Ummm... Propaganda and fake at best..

    • @blackstrom7473
      @blackstrom7473 3 роки тому +24

      @@jurgenangler5294 yeah but Japan will have clear hand
      Not like Chinese corruption and trap deal like 50 or 99 years least

    • @Neuvari
      @Neuvari 3 роки тому +11

      @@blackstrom7473 prove? or just talking ass?

  • @DGraze
    @DGraze 3 роки тому +16

    This a Billion% more imformative than indonesian news tv station.
    god I hope I can tune my news tv more, if deliveries are this level.

  • @khairilanwar6931
    @khairilanwar6931 2 роки тому +5

    Japan can't play billateral smartly with Indonesia. Japan always looking foward closer with Thailand in Buisness system. So, Indonesia will say " Let me think about what you think Japan?"

  • @senoalamsyah7481
    @senoalamsyah7481 3 роки тому +28

    First Japan won the MRT project
    Second China won Jakarta-Bandung HSR
    Third Japan won Revetalization of Jakarta-Surabaya Northern coast linr
    Fourth China won the extend of HRS to Surabaya through the South coast (reason because it must be through Yogyakarta since it centre of Tourism of Java)
    Five Japan won the reinstalled Southern coast line which not been use for century in West Java.

    • @m.yogasetiawan7592
      @m.yogasetiawan7592 3 роки тому +11

      @borray s sekarang pt inka dan pt bppt lagi riset kereta cepat yg teknologinya diambil dari jerman, hsr jkt-bdg juga katanya ada tot dari cina jadi kita bisa kembangin sendiri teknologinya, dan inka lagi bangun pabrik baru yg kerja sama ama stadler buat produksi kereta penumpang baik listrik maupun diesel yg di khususkan untuk ekspor. Jadi kemungkinan besar kita bakal bisa bangun kereta cepat kita secara mandiri karna kita mampu kalo kita yakin, contoh kecilnya lrt palembang dan lrt jabodebek yg hampir 100% buatan lokal baik pekerjanya, kontraktornya,teknisinya, dan bahan2nya serta rangkaian keretanya pun buatan lokal

    • @diasadipratama9204
      @diasadipratama9204 3 роки тому +3

      @@m.yogasetiawan7592 gk 100% juga sih mas, saat ini TKDN kereta buatan inka mungkin sekitar 60/65% nan sih. Sisanya ada beberapa komponen yg masih impor. klo gk salah lrt jabodebek sendiri ada beberapa komponen yg dipasok dari CRRC

    • @m.yogasetiawan7592
      @m.yogasetiawan7592 3 роки тому +6

      @@diasadipratama9204 ya bang kan saya juga bilang hampir gak sepenuhnya, bahkan produsen luar pun gak sepenuhnya pake komponen lokal mereka pasti meraka impor juga. Yg penting ada kemauan buat menciptakan sesuatu secara mandiri:)

    • @mirizid9667
      @mirizid9667 3 роки тому +2

      @@diasadipratama9204 Iya betul. Untuk teknologi kereta cepat Indonesia tidak mungkin bisa langsung produksi dalam negeri 100% . Pasti ada beberapa komponen yg harus dirakit/dibeli di luar negeri. Tapi saya yakin kalau soal *teknologi konstruksi kereta cepat* dalam artian konstruksi rel beserta bantalannya, pengeboran, dan jembatan itu akan dikuasai.

    • @wongjowo9152
      @wongjowo9152 2 роки тому +1

      @@diasadipratama9204 Barang kalo mau dibuat 80% TKDN aja udah susah banget bang. Tapi yang penting itu kita bisa desain dan mengembangkan barangnya. *koreksi lrt jabodebek punya TKDN sekitar 42% dan target kedepannya kereta EMU buatan INKA bisa mencapai TKDN sebesar 60%.

  • @ChemySh
    @ChemySh 2 роки тому +5

    11:59 This is an interesting comparison, but needs a little more background info: After direct currency conversion ($35 in IDR converted to CNY), the currency value must be considered. From my experience living in both countries, a more realistic conversion would be dividing the IDR value by half. The amount of things $35 can buy you in Indonesia, buys you $17.5 worth of things in China. Also worth noting that China subsidizes infrastructure (which includes ticket prices) like crazy, which Indo govt may be unable to do.
    And now for a more general background info: I suspect Japan-China's fight over Indo infrastructures have been happening in other areas too. In Jakarta we have this bus line system called Busway, which are lanes exclusively reserved (and often grade-separated) for buses. In the early 2000s around the launch of the system, the buses were Chinese (from the Zhongtong logo). By the 2010s onwards, the buses were Japanese (Mitsubishi iirc).
    I still remember the horror of the period of Chinese buses. The system was a piece of burning garbage. Buses were unreliable and broke down often. You'd be lucky to get a bus every 45 minutes in central Jakarta, the supposed center of the country. Fast forward to the Japanese buses era, the service is quite reliable and frequent (every 5 mins in Central Jakarta), if a bit lacking in routes. The unreliability could've been caused by Indo not quite grasping how to maintain public transport yet back then, but that era dampens my excitement a bit when I heard our govt chose the Chinese bid. However, after hearing another comment clarifying that the Chinese bid includes permit to manufacture parts and perform RnD locally (whereas the Japanese bid doesnt), it's understandable why Jokowi chose China's.

    • @CarstenHazz
      @CarstenHazz 2 роки тому +2

      It's Transjakarta btw not busway 😅

    • @mackbedunduk1305
      @mackbedunduk1305 2 роки тому

      Talk about Currency, how if Indonesia will decide to do the de-dollarization, throw their us dollars away and turn to their own mineral underliyed currency?

  • @rudyyohansyah
    @rudyyohansyah 3 роки тому +6

    I only follow this issue when i was at university. And the conclusion that I could gathered was B2B model that was emphasized by Jokowi's office. For a lower middle income country with area span from london to moscow with mostly waters and 2/3 population of US, the ambition to build infrastructure is massive. Government's funding won't cover such projects nor the bureaucracy. Imagine for that 6B project would add up to 10B with 5B++ will end up in bureaucrats. Yes, we will only get another monuments of failure built because every Indonesians aware about our corrupt bureaucrats. So, B2B is a way to prevent unfinished project better than G2G model that was proposed by Japan.
    Technically, no comment, I heard some under quality issues regarding bullet train and power plant projects under Chinese supervision from my professors. But, politically, thanks to this video I found out quite brilliant. Now Japanese pays more attention to our demands because they have competitors.
    Regarding Southern Java route, I will gladly welcome the project because it is easier for me to travel home. But, the geographic is harsher with more hills and uneven terrains moreover that region was under the sea like thousands years ago. And population or economical capability is quite lower than northern part like what Japan proposed. So, It is a good intention from government to raise the income of southern area but a bullet train for the region, are we ready yet to reach BEP for 50 years?

    • @hull4bal00
      @hull4bal00 3 роки тому +1

      Java north coast only consists of small town, while big city are in the south/center. isn't HSR mean to connect big cities?

    • @hull4bal00
      @hull4bal00 3 роки тому +1

      @troy krentzs and that's the problem with Japanese, they wouldn't want to teach us to operating and maintaining, also Japanese tend to delay ongoing projects resulting in additional cost

    • @hull4bal00
      @hull4bal00 3 роки тому +1

      @troy krentzs also 100% safety record is a bit BS

    • @ChemySh
      @ChemySh 2 роки тому

      @@hull4bal00 I see it as the other way around. After Bandung, the only southern Java town that's big enough for an HSR would be Jogja/Solo, so I understand why they keep to the northern coast. I dont know about the terrain up north, but down here in Jogja, the terrain is quite rough.

  • @rubbis3742
    @rubbis3742 3 роки тому +37

    That's awesome. Looks like a win-win situation for all provided there's actually end demand. It's always good to have a healthy competition. Looking forward to seeing how these can help transform Indonesia.

  • @Athrunwong
    @Athrunwong 3 роки тому +10

    Congrats on Indonesia, hope to see that Rail when I visit in the future.

  • @MrGanbat84
    @MrGanbat84 3 роки тому +29

    I love Indonesia and China relationship from Mongolia 🇲🇳🇲🇳🇲🇳👍. Dont be panic by western lier media.

  • @tahamamaluba4522
    @tahamamaluba4522 3 роки тому +3

    SALAM, I MUSLIM FILIPIN IN COTABATO CITY MAGUINDANAO , MINDANAO , PHILIPPINES , I LIKE INDONESIA MY ROOTS FROM INDONESIA. OK

  • @eurekalabdawara9312
    @eurekalabdawara9312 3 роки тому +3

    Very comprehensive video! Love from Indonesia

  • @highspeeddream3980
    @highspeeddream3980 3 роки тому +7

    Two aisle high speed train will be more stable, safely, faster, powerful, capacity in the future design, seat configuration can be: first class 1/2/1, business class 2/2/2, economy class 3/3/3. what do you think!

  • @Hartono25277
    @Hartono25277 2 роки тому +8

    To my knowledge there's no railway outside Java and northern part of Sumatra in Indonesia. Was a bit disappointed when a rail project in my home province Kalimantan was cancelled, but on the other hand building rails might accelerate harm to Borneo's rainforests.
    Will such topic about railway's indirect environmental effects be interesting?

    • @junirenjana
      @junirenjana Рік тому

      Sumatra actually has three separate networks, one in the northern part, second in the western part, as well as another in the southern part. Honestly, if you ask me, I think the govt should've prioritize improvement on existing rail networks as well as building new ones especially outside Java and Sumatra, rather than jumping straight to HSR.
      I mean, the total cost for building Trans-Kalimantan, Trans-Sulawesi, and Trans-Sumatra (connecting all the disjointed networks) is "only" 105 trillion IDR (according to a 2015 estimate), roughly the same as the short Jakarta-Bandung HSR segment. Don't get me wrong, Java does indeed need a HSR, but IMO it shouldn't be the top priority before we can ensure better conventional rail coverage first.
      Not to mention the lack of first/last mile infrastructure in the form of urban public transport, which is severely lacking in most Indonesian cities. Greater Jakarta's existing urban rail systems handle only a little over one million trips daily, compared to Greater Tokyo's ~40 million. Meanwhile, urban railway is nonexistent in Bandung, not even a KRL commuter rail system.

    • @junirenjana
      @junirenjana Рік тому

      As for the environmental impact of railway, I think it depends on the purpose of the rail itself. Of course, rail infrastructure to support logging and mining will contribute to deforestation, but passenger rail is absolutely miles better in terms of environmental impact and efficiency than car-dependent infrastructure such as highways. Developed countries all around the world start with railways first before expressways, not the other way around.

  • @Satorusan24
    @Satorusan24 3 роки тому +12

    Most of Japan's project is too strict and too long. Did you know that why MRT Jakarta project currently is too slow eventhough the corridor lenght is just about less than 10 km?

    • @bunnyfreakz
      @bunnyfreakz 3 роки тому +14

      Japan is doing debt trap. Whenever Japan offered a project, they always ask Indonesia goverment to pay.
      HSR is joint venture between companies of China and Indonesia. The goverment do not involved with funding the project directly, Goverment have a duty for land acquisition.

    • @xygog2408
      @xygog2408 3 роки тому +2

      @@bunnyfreakz Phase 1 of the project was funded through a soft loan (Rp 16 trillion) from JICA with a 30 years tenure and 0.25% interest per annum. Roughly 1 billion USD for less than 10km. Phase 2 funding (Rp 25 trillion) will cover a portion of phase 1 excess expenditure (Rp 2.5 trillion).
      Overbudget, slow. Construction started when i was still in Jakarta and only finished last year.

    • @medx1553
      @medx1553 3 роки тому +2

      @@xygog2408
      Japanese high speed rail project in India from 2017 has not been worked on until now.
      The Japanese high speed train project in Thailand is CANCELED because it is EXPENSIVE for the Thai government

    • @kudajingkrak4919
      @kudajingkrak4919 3 роки тому

      @@bunnyfreakz 6:07 Perkebunan Nusantara VIII is the owner of the land in West Java project.

    • @pietersiahaija4698
      @pietersiahaija4698 Рік тому

      @@medx1553 "... is governing a country also a way of weighting the pro & con's, taking risks/or not, if these tracks are not brought to 'modern standards' the alternative will be, you sitting in an overcrowded train, or 'MAJID' on the road .... will the next president take these huge projekts over .... "

  • @minegamer5680
    @minegamer5680 3 роки тому +10

    Indonesia: Planning to build more infrastructure
    China: Mine!
    Japan: No mine!
    China: No mine!
    Japan: No mine!
    Indonesia: Ok guys chill, I know you both want to work with me. so since I have more infrastructure on plan I let china build some and Japan build some.
    Indonesia: *Master Negotiator*

    • @minegamer5680
      @minegamer5680 3 роки тому +1

      @@federasiborneo9348 This is the stupidest comment I have ever seen, Your fantasies about destroying your own peoples lives is rather peculiar.
      I think it's best for you to leave Indonesia with that dangerous and stupid attitude of yours.

    • @Enes-vh3zm
      @Enes-vh3zm 3 роки тому +1

      @@minegamer5680 sshhh dia spam di semua komen lol

    • @s21b0b
      @s21b0b 2 роки тому

      Legendary comment

  • @pakdechannel7565
    @pakdechannel7565 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks lot for your information.. This is great and amazing that you explain to me. I really happy if my goverment can explain like what you did so Indonesian people can understand.... Love from INDONESIA

  • @justzayimnot6884
    @justzayimnot6884 3 роки тому +8

    Indonesia is becoming the gate way hub of ASEAN

    • @agusaffandi2347
      @agusaffandi2347 3 роки тому

      Dream on 🤣 that's close to impossible, I'm Indonesian

  • @Nakawansha
    @Nakawansha 3 роки тому +5

    Hai, Salam Dari Indonesia...
    Thanks for making this videos, it was very informative and detailed... Believe me, Indonesian media never made this kind of video so well detailed...

  • @Ibriden
    @Ibriden 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you very much and greetings from Algeria!

  • @mikel4690
    @mikel4690 3 роки тому +25

    Nobody beats the Chinese in building infrastructure - if they said it will be done, IT WILL BE DONE. Looking forward to the shiny Fuxing running on Java come 2022.

    • @kaztuckinhell108
      @kaztuckinhell108 3 роки тому

      It will be done, of course! Where I lived built Chinese subway and ppl died from train crash and they just buried ppl with the train. Best luck for riding it every day 🤞

    • @141Travish
      @141Travish 3 роки тому

      @@kaztuckinhell108 when buy Chinese product make sure you chose their flagship product, not low end product. That's your fault for choosing the cheapest ones 🤣

  • @GyacoYu
    @GyacoYu 3 роки тому +31

    As Chinese we are actually very happy to see Japanese investment in Southeast Asia. However, comparing to the Japanese proposal to Thailand, the Japanese proposal to Indonesia is a bit overpriced. Concerning the debt problem of Taiwan high-speed trap, I don't think Indonesia can handle such a overpriced high-cost system better than Taiwan, which is a considerably more developed island than Java is (sorry but the GDP PPP per capita is there), does. Nevertheless, if Japan presented Indonesia a price comparable to what they did to Thailand I believe Indonesia will chose Shinkansen. The Bangkok-Chiangmai high-speed rail project is a healthy one; we all are looking forward to its opening.
    One other factor I considered maybe a bit important is the Java is on the extension of Kunming-Singapore railway corridor, so adoption a loading gauge, etc. standards that the Sino-Lao railway and Lao-Thai railway uses might be beneficial to future ASEAN integration.
    If Japanese people feel angry about China or about Indonesia we're sorry about that. We Chinese are not angry, but happy and embracing the Japanese project in Thailand.
    🇨🇳🇯🇵中日亲善🇨🇳🇯🇵

    • @ideensamalle597
      @ideensamalle597 3 роки тому +3

      Thailand - Japan high speed rail from Bangkok to Chiang Mai is still somewhere on pieces of paper but the Thailand - China high speed rail (from Bangkok to Nakhon Ratchasima which will be extended to Nong Khai to connect the rail link between Laos and China) is under construction.

    • @GyacoYu
      @GyacoYu 3 роки тому +1

      Already thought of a title for the sequel of this episode: *Thailand's High-Speed Rail Project: Blessed by Diplomatic Triangle*

    • @GyacoYu
      @GyacoYu 3 роки тому +2

      @@ideensamalle597 Hope it can go into effect asap. Also the Thai-China railway isn't going very fast as well.

    • @kaztuckinhell108
      @kaztuckinhell108 3 роки тому +2

      As a Japanese, u guys seem like just stole the contract concept n files and submitted the same concept offer just changing the price which nvr make any profit for and right now they r asking more money from Indonesian government and stopped construction cuz of lack of money n technology. Good job, now they don't see shinkansen for at least 10 years more.

    • @GyacoYu
      @GyacoYu 3 роки тому +2

      ​@@kaztuckinhell108 That could only happen if your contract concept and files are not patented or not eligible to patent. We would also welcome the Japanese to "steal" our concept of Sino-Thai railway and bid a cheaper Japanese-Thai high-speed rail as long as it's not our patented concept. We'd like a healthy competetion with Japan.
      I doubt if they can see shinkansen in 10 years even if China didn't bid, because right now the Japanese-Thai project, which China didn't bid or "steal" anything, doesn't seem to have an effective progress. I really look forward to a standard-gauge railway from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. If Japan think 300km/h is not profitable, you can downgrade it to an 130km/h mini-Shinkansen that fit the local need (or you can also "steal" some Chinese 160/250km/h project concept to bid) instead of giving it up.

  • @ddream777
    @ddream777 Рік тому +8

    Now Indonesia and Laos have their bullet train, earlier than California and all United States. And your homeland Russia.

    • @ianhomerpura8937
      @ianhomerpura8937 Рік тому +1

      iirc Russia has the Sapsan service between Moscow and St Petersburg

    • @carkawalakhatulistiwa
      @carkawalakhatulistiwa Рік тому +1

      Russia aredy have bullet train from St Petersburg to Moskow 250 km/h in 2004

  • @AnjumulHaque
    @AnjumulHaque 3 роки тому +6

    The reasons why these are happening is because World bank is no longer what it was supposed to be. Helping countries build infrastructure, world Bank has become conservative in terms of helping developing countries. Many developing countries have become used to the the idea of getting loans and grants for infrastructure building from the time USA started giving loans through world Bank. Now world Bank is an high terms and conditions undesirable option for a lot of countries so they go to countries like China.

    • @hull4bal00
      @hull4bal00 3 роки тому +1

      They still give loan, but only for military equipment purchase,
      Infrastructure? Nope, never.

  • @Minezelum
    @Minezelum 3 роки тому +8

    The fact that the island of Java is much like Hokkaido wherein travelling with cars inter-city are too long and travelling with planes inter-city are too short in term of distance are true. Thanks for this epic video! We're Indonesia made a correct decision of making HSR line! Jayalah Indonesiaku!
    Additional information:
    The CR400AF (Fuxing Train) is the newest HSR generation used by China right now with these specifications:
    Max. Operational Speed : 350 km/h
    Max. Design Speed : 400 km/h
    Max. Speed Record : 420 km/h

    • @kolluion4254
      @kolluion4254 3 роки тому +3

      Yeah,fabulous train indeed,just look the interior u will kown how comfortable this train is.The HSR not only can carry passengers but also can carry cargo,and new cargo high speed train come up recently in China ,Indonesia might need some :)

    • @mirizid9667
      @mirizid9667 3 роки тому +3

      Yeah you're right. Java is more like Hokkaido in terms of population density but population number wise is larger than the entire Japan. Travelling by car is wasting time and money. And also the current train is slower than 120 Km/h. No wonder why the govt want to construct HSR.

    • @Minezelum
      @Minezelum 3 роки тому +1

      @@mirizid9667 Agreed!

    • @Minezelum
      @Minezelum 3 роки тому +1

      @@kolluion4254 Yes absolutely! It'll gonna help boost Indonesia's economy

    • @haikaloronsentnel138
      @haikaloronsentnel138 3 роки тому +1

      HSR IN LONG TERM W!LL INFLUENCE ECONOMIC GROWTH!!!