@@12345621770 That's true, the krentz is way more adjustable, you can move it all over the place to find the ideal location! I found the wolf tuner tamed my wolf enough but also allowed me to keep a bit more richness than when I was using the krentz. Both are good options, though!
@@adultcello I had a Krentz on my cello, and after a while I noticed that it left a mark in the varnish! I later got one of these. I always found that the wolf eliminators didn't *really* make it go away. Fast forward, I just got a new cello. It has a wolf on the F# on the D string, but it wasn't too bad -- it sounded like a wolf that had been suppressed by one of the standard wolf eliminators. I hadn't put the Theunis on there -- because of my skepticism that it would make it any better. OMG - it's perfect! I don't have any weird wolf sound or feeling. It also doesn't have that weird squashed sound that others cause.
Hey There. I loved this and all your videos.. Please keep it up!! Im in a bit of a dilema at the moment as ive been having troubles with my wolf for some time now. Ive only been playing for 2 years nearly so im still fresh and Im currently using a 11g New Harmony on the C string as appose to the G string and this works well for me. Funnily enough the best placement ive found for it is about 18mm from the bridge also (coinsidence maybe or physics)??.. I can control my wolf pretty well on the lower 3 strings (my wolf is F) but im having troubles on the F on my A string (2nd finger, 4th postion). This is getting especially frustrating now im learning the Schubert version of Ave Maria in C major and good old 'wolfy' pops out when i dont want it too :( Im very careful when playing that F (controlled bow speed i think) but she more than often seems to pop when i play it.. I was thinking of getting the Krentz as i like that ability to 'move it around' etc but im intrigued with your review of both of them and trust your word that on your cello the Theunis one performed better. Did you have any issues with the F on the A string in the past? Im sided towards the Theunis one as looks is certainly better but wanted to know from someone whose had the experience on both... Many thanks, Rob
Hi Rob! Thanks so much for your comment, and you know, as I read it, I wonder if the first step might be taking your cello to your local violin shop just to check that there isn't anything going on such as an open seam or something else setup-wise that could be tweaked a bit. From my own experience and from what I've heard, a prominent wolf on the A string is not that common and so perhaps there's something else going on that is aggravating the usual wolf on your cello. As for the Theunis and Krentz, I found both worked on my cello but what I particularly liked about the Theunis was that it handled the wolf without my having to compromise really on tone. The krentz is probably a stronger wolf suppressant, but for me I felt it was too much of a sacrifice sound wise. I hope that helps and if you have any other questions or want to keep me in the loop, feel free to email me at billy@adultcello.com. Thanks again for writing!
@@adultcello Hi Billy. Apologies for the late reply but ive been so busy with work of recent (I know its no excuse) but may i say a thousand thank you's to you.. I live out in the middle of nowhere so don't have any Luthiers or Violin shops close but decided to take your advice on getting my F wolf on the A string checked out and drove the 100km and guess what?? You were right!!! I have a open seem about 2" long on the lower rear edge of the cello and this was casusing my wolf on the higher strings. I still have it slightly on the G string (lower register) but this is to be expected.. This Luthier i used has the Krentz in stock so we fiddled about and i do agree we lost a small amount of color and tone from my Eastman. Im going to order the Theunis one and see how i get on but the important part is my wolf is no longer present on my A string after they glued the seem back together... Thanks a million Billy!! I owe you one...
@@robdean5464 Hi Rob! I'm so glad you found an open seam as the cause for all that wolfiness! It can be so frustrating when your instrument suddenly feels less playable, but it's great when the solution is something as simple as an open seam. Thanks for the update, I'm glad I could help!
So about on par with the price of the Krentz. Although I have heard people mention varnish damage with the Krentz. I don't think it looks quite as nice as the cheaper LupX one which is the small disc shaped brass one. Although it takes a bit more work it really allows you to fine tune the position because of the small contact point. However tone as usual takes a small hit. I'm curious about this one but to me it's cost prohibitive sadly.
Yeah, I feel a little bummed about the varnish damage from the Krentz. I don't think it's noticeable to the audience at least. I never had huge success with the LupX, but every cello is different!
@@adultcello sometimes it seems to merely shift the location and reduce the range at which it triggers. At the moment I'm playing with none since I just got a new cello and ...IF I'm perfectly in tune it doesn't trigger....which is a big IF.
Do you find this wolf tuner to migrate the wolf to another note or amplify certain notes? Sometimes my Krentz tames my wolf on F, but spreads the "wolfiness" across E and F, it doesn't crack per se, but it does amplify those two notes. Wondering if this wolf tuner could remedy this phenomenon. Thanks!
Oh that happens to Krentz too? I’m using a regular screw one and it works but migrate the wolf a bit to other notes too so I’m looking for other options
This may be a silly question, but I’m new to cello. Does a wolf eliminator on one string take care of tones on all strings? Do people have more than one below the bridge for more than one string?
That's a great question! Usually the right wolf tone eliminator on the right string should take care of the problem across the board. If it were me and the wolf tone eliminator I was using was not getting the job completely done, I would reconsider the placement of the device, then maybe think about switching devices or sometimes switching strings can help also on certain cellos. Hope that helps!
@@adultcello Thanks! Love your channel btw! I started cello as an adult learner too - really value hearing about your experiences and what worked for you while learning. Thanks for all the motivation!
Hi Kathy! Thanks for your question, unfortunately I don't have one for violin but you can check Mr. Theunis's website for demonstrations: en.wolf-tuner.com/
Compared to, say, the Krentz or some of the New Harmony weights, how much do you lose in terms of overtones/resonance (if any)? His claim is that it balances the instrument and enhances certain frequencies - did you find this? Is the overall instrument more resonant without the Wolf Tuner?
Hi! I found the wolf tuner to be superior on my cello in terms of resonance and overtones versus the Krentz. With the wolf tuner, I can still feel the wolf lurking under my finger at times, but the sound never breaks anymore. I guess I would say that the cello sounds slightly boomier under my ear in the wolf region, but my cello retained it's richness and my wife (a professional violinist) thinks it's the closest my cello sounds to having nothing on at all. Hope that helps!
Very interesting video. Thanks for posting. I use a heavy gauge Pirastro Oliv C string. I wonder if the Wolf Tuner would fit on thicker strings. Is there any flexibility in the tuner itself?
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment, you know I'm not sure about whether it would fit on extra thick C strings. On my Pirastro Perpetual C string it definitely doesn't feel like a super tight squeeze, but that being said, maybe the best thing would be to contact Mr. Theunis at his shop, I'm sure he would have a definite answer for you. Here's his website: en.wolf-tuner.com/contact
The best one there is the one that slips inside the cello and move it to the bout of cello with the top magnet.
A bit expensive when other devices work too. Just my humble opinion
That's true, although it is roughly the same price as the Krentz modulator. Thanks for your comment!
@@adultcello so, you prefer this than krenz?? Cause krenz looks to be more adjustable i think!
@@12345621770 That's true, the krentz is way more adjustable, you can move it all over the place to find the ideal location! I found the wolf tuner tamed my wolf enough but also allowed me to keep a bit more richness than when I was using the krentz. Both are good options, though!
@@adultcello I had a Krentz on my cello, and after a while I noticed that it left a mark in the varnish! I later got one of these. I always found that the wolf eliminators didn't *really* make it go away. Fast forward, I just got a new cello. It has a wolf on the F# on the D string, but it wasn't too bad -- it sounded like a wolf that had been suppressed by one of the standard wolf eliminators. I hadn't put the Theunis on there -- because of my skepticism that it would make it any better. OMG - it's perfect! I don't have any weird wolf sound or feeling. It also doesn't have that weird squashed sound that others cause.
Hey There. I loved this and all your videos.. Please keep it up!! Im in a bit of a dilema at the moment as ive been having troubles with my wolf for some time now. Ive only been playing for 2 years nearly so im still fresh and Im currently using a 11g New Harmony on the C string as appose to the G string and this works well for me. Funnily enough the best placement ive found for it is about 18mm from the bridge also (coinsidence maybe or physics)??.. I can control my wolf pretty well on the lower 3 strings (my wolf is F) but im having troubles on the F on my A string (2nd finger, 4th postion). This is getting especially frustrating now im learning the Schubert version of Ave Maria in C major and good old 'wolfy' pops out when i dont want it too :( Im very careful when playing that F (controlled bow speed i think) but she more than often seems to pop when i play it..
I was thinking of getting the Krentz as i like that ability to 'move it around' etc but im intrigued with your review of both of them and trust your word that on your cello the Theunis one performed better. Did you have any issues with the F on the A string in the past? Im sided towards the Theunis one as looks is certainly better but wanted to know from someone whose had the experience on both... Many thanks, Rob
Hi Rob! Thanks so much for your comment, and you know, as I read it, I wonder if the first step might be taking your cello to your local violin shop just to check that there isn't anything going on such as an open seam or something else setup-wise that could be tweaked a bit. From my own experience and from what I've heard, a prominent wolf on the A string is not that common and so perhaps there's something else going on that is aggravating the usual wolf on your cello.
As for the Theunis and Krentz, I found both worked on my cello but what I particularly liked about the Theunis was that it handled the wolf without my having to compromise really on tone. The krentz is probably a stronger wolf suppressant, but for me I felt it was too much of a sacrifice sound wise.
I hope that helps and if you have any other questions or want to keep me in the loop, feel free to email me at billy@adultcello.com. Thanks again for writing!
@@adultcello Hi Billy. Apologies for the late reply but ive been so busy with work of recent (I know its no excuse) but may i say a thousand thank you's to you.. I live out in the middle of nowhere so don't have any Luthiers or Violin shops close but decided to take your advice on getting my F wolf on the A string checked out and drove the 100km and guess what??
You were right!!! I have a open seem about 2" long on the lower rear edge of the cello and this was casusing my wolf on the higher strings. I still have it slightly on the G string (lower register) but this is to be expected.. This Luthier i used has the Krentz in stock so we fiddled about and i do agree we lost a small amount of color and tone from my Eastman.
Im going to order the Theunis one and see how i get on but the important part is my wolf is no longer present on my A string after they glued the seem back together...
Thanks a million Billy!! I owe you one...
@@robdean5464 Hi Rob! I'm so glad you found an open seam as the cause for all that wolfiness! It can be so frustrating when your instrument suddenly feels less playable, but it's great when the solution is something as simple as an open seam. Thanks for the update, I'm glad I could help!
So about on par with the price of the Krentz. Although I have heard people mention varnish damage with the Krentz. I don't think it looks quite as nice as the cheaper LupX one which is the small disc shaped brass one. Although it takes a bit more work it really allows you to fine tune the position because of the small contact point. However tone as usual takes a small hit. I'm curious about this one but to me it's cost prohibitive sadly.
Yeah, I feel a little bummed about the varnish damage from the Krentz. I don't think it's noticeable to the audience at least. I never had huge success with the LupX, but every cello is different!
@@adultcello sometimes it seems to merely shift the location and reduce the range at which it triggers. At the moment I'm playing with none since I just got a new cello and ...IF I'm perfectly in tune it doesn't trigger....which is a big IF.
@@Dparrey That's great that your current cello doesn't need one! Weather also can play a big factor depending on where you live.
lead sinker .25 cents ? :)
Haha definitely never tried that!
Do you find this wolf tuner to migrate the wolf to another note or amplify certain notes? Sometimes my Krentz tames my wolf on F, but spreads the "wolfiness" across E and F, it doesn't crack per se, but it does amplify those two notes. Wondering if this wolf tuner could remedy this phenomenon. Thanks!
Oh that happens to Krentz too? I’m using a regular screw one and it works but migrate the wolf a bit to other notes too so I’m looking for other options
This may be a silly question, but I’m new to cello. Does a wolf eliminator on one string take care of tones on all strings? Do people have more than one below the bridge for more than one string?
That's a great question! Usually the right wolf tone eliminator on the right string should take care of the problem across the board. If it were me and the wolf tone eliminator I was using was not getting the job completely done, I would reconsider the placement of the device, then maybe think about switching devices or sometimes switching strings can help also on certain cellos. Hope that helps!
Can you do a comparison video reviewing these wolf tuners versus ones recommended on Amazon?
Thanks for your comment, that sounds like a great idea, I'll look into it!
@@adultcello Thanks! Love your channel btw! I started cello as an adult learner too - really value hearing about your experiences and what worked for you while learning. Thanks for all the motivation!
@@mebab1919 That's awesome! Thanks so much for your kind words, I really appreciate it!
hey could you do one demo on a violin?
Hi Kathy! Thanks for your question, unfortunately I don't have one for violin but you can check Mr. Theunis's website for demonstrations: en.wolf-tuner.com/
Compared to, say, the Krentz or some of the New Harmony weights, how much do you lose in terms of overtones/resonance (if any)? His claim is that it balances the instrument and enhances certain frequencies - did you find this? Is the overall instrument more resonant without the Wolf Tuner?
Hi! I found the wolf tuner to be superior on my cello in terms of resonance and overtones versus the Krentz. With the wolf tuner, I can still feel the wolf lurking under my finger at times, but the sound never breaks anymore. I guess I would say that the cello sounds slightly boomier under my ear in the wolf region, but my cello retained it's richness and my wife (a professional violinist) thinks it's the closest my cello sounds to having nothing on at all. Hope that helps!
@@adultcello That is quite helpful. I usually opt to not use any wolf eliminators but this has piqued my curiosity quite a bit...
@@Kwert My pleasure! I'd love to know your thoughts too if you try it.
@@adultcello I just bit the bullet and ordered one, so I’ll update you once it arrives and I’ve sat with it a few days!
@@Kwert Awesome!
Very interesting video. Thanks for posting. I use a heavy gauge Pirastro Oliv C string. I wonder if the Wolf Tuner would fit on thicker strings. Is there any flexibility in the tuner itself?
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment, you know I'm not sure about whether it would fit on extra thick C strings. On my Pirastro Perpetual C string it definitely doesn't feel like a super tight squeeze, but that being said, maybe the best thing would be to contact Mr. Theunis at his shop, I'm sure he would have a definite answer for you. Here's his website: en.wolf-tuner.com/contact
Is it available at Amazon???
A bit expensive when other devices work as well. Just my humble opinion