GOLF: How The Left Arm Rotates In The Golf Swing
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This is huge. I have been looking for such advice for a long time. Knowing that i was not able to get the right angle in the downswing. Keeping my arms stiff on the way down and correcting last minute with my wrists.
The point of view you gave me in this video, made my swing better than ever.
Thank you, very very much
So glad this one was helpful my friend!👊
I absolutely love the over head view with the chop stick! This angle shows the rotation of the arms the best in my opinion. Great job gentleman!
Appreciate it Robbie!
Guys listen up this simple concept is the starting point of changing your game.If done correctly and practice correctly it definitely changes so many things.Great lesson guys.
Thanks Leonard! Appreciate you watching!
I stumbled on the forearm rotation thru trial and error. Wow it really has improved my strike. Its great too see that my instinct was correct as confirmed with this video. People please listen and try, it is awesome.
Yessir!! You may like these as well
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ua-cam.com/video/vKtZi2iESSE/v-deo.html
Went for my first lesson after 5 years of golfing. I was told the left arm rotation was my biggest issue! Amazing coincidence and awesome video from you guys. Will be drilling this one home for the next couple of months
Hope it helps! These should help as as well!
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Brought back memories of the late Tom Lynch at Shepherd Hills - he pushed students to rotate their arms as fast and early as possible and to control the resulting pull-hook by matching up the trailing knee with the hands. If the knee got to the ball position first, fade or slice. If the hands and arms got there first, draw or hook. So his point of coordination was matching them rather than trying to find the perfect speed.
I like that! Learning to curve left FIRST in my opinion the first thing all golfers should learn.
Close the face to path
then learn the path from inside part 2 then clean up the body pivot details as needed part 3 like this
ua-cam.com/video/cyMv0ChVoj4/v-deo.html
There are many swing thoughts. That's simply saying there's many ways to communicate the same thing. Simplifying them us key. Your comment is a good example as to explaining - cause and effect. Following a long layoff and a few shorter due to injuries, a few if Eric's drills had me rotating my hips more and that got most of my 'length' and hopefully your comment will have the ball headed in the intended direction.
This is huge! I’ve recently been working on this with my pro. I think my only call out is a tendency I have with my left arm is a difference between arm path and arm rotation. Sometimes when trying to rotate, I end up pulling left with my left arm. I love how this video reinforced arm rotation vs everything else! Well done as always!
You got it, John!
More on this you may like:
ua-cam.com/video/3pW6O_YHdPI/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/vKtZi2iESSE/v-deo.html
Thanks Eric! This is a big source of power. Somewhere along the way, I got into trying to keep on club on the target line. I lost so much distance, I thought I was finished. Well, maybe I am, but this does help a lot. You will however, hit the ball to the left until it becomes normal to you.
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Our pleasure! Hope this one serves you well!
I don’t know how you do it…the timing of this video is, as usual, spot on! That just unlocked so many thoughts and misunderstandings. I couldn’t understand the rotating through keeping club face closed and wrist action. It’s all about arm rotation:-) such a eureka moment in my living room in front of the TV that even the dog started barking:-)
I was shanking it like crazy!!
Lol we are keeping an eye on ya :)
More on arm rotation here
ua-cam.com/video/3pW6O_YHdPI/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/vKtZi2iESSE/v-deo.html
Great stuff, thanks! Total amateur here that doesn't get to play much but coordinated and addicted to the feel of striking it well when i do. What i found is that this properly rotated left arm is a direct result of NOT swaying forward on the downswing. If i sway i naturally rotate arm (or worse, flip) late. But if i don't sway and rather dig and post left foot/leg the arm rotates naturally and apparently in sync for those crispy swats I'm so addicted to. Just my 2c. Thanks again!
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Our pleasure! Glad you enjoyed this one!
Thanks guys! Just made some swings in the garden straight after watching the video and wow it feels so good! For me, that thought of earlier arm rotation just gets the club into such a good position at impact, plus also gives me a better feeling of being “connected” through the downswing especially. Looking forward to taking this to the course and also seeing how it translates to the longer clubs as was swinging with the 6 iron. Thanks!
You got it, Anthony!
Here is more on supination that may help!
ua-cam.com/video/3pW6O_YHdPI/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/vKtZi2iESSE/v-deo.html
Eric I can’t thank you enough! I feel like my game is about to evolve with these left arm rotation videos! I shot a 87 today and my irons were as pure as ever! 🫡👊🏽
Love it Frank!!
I’ve been hoping to find this information explained this way for years. Thanks.
Our pleasure Dave!
John is no.1 golf instructer in the world. knew him 15years ago.
He's the best!!
Eric, thank you for introducing me to John Dunigan. I watched your series with him, and I have since subscribed to his channel and watched a ton of his videos. In one of John's videos, he related the motion of the right hand to a forehand in tennis. The concept of swinging the golf club as if I'm trying to put top spin on a tennis ball has done wonders for my compression and dynamic loft. I have seen some of your videos where a drill relates to other sports, i.e. the hockey slapshot. Why aren't more golf instructors using the tennis analogies? Because I know if it helped me, it would surely help higher handicappers. Thanks Eric, you're the best
Love to hear that, Jeff! He's great!!
This one really was the holy grail for me. I was told for years that toe-up to toe-up was the golf equivalent of cancer. I believed it, locked out my forearm rotation, and couldn't square the club for a decade.
Hope this one serves your game well my friend!
Same. This was a huge missing piece I discovered chipping the other day. I just softened my wrists and allowed the club to rotate a smidge on chips and all of a sudden contact crisp and spin had likely doubled.
Grabbed a bucket, took this feel to my full swing and wow. Pured everything. The slight rotation back of the left arm helped my arms clear the body, then rotating them down at the same speed as my pivot was just so repeatable and natural.
It finally clicked that the center of our swing is the center of the pelvis and everything rotates around that fixed point. Arms included.
I too had forced the no toe up move. Awesome stuff Eric.
i think this is the most insightful vid you have ever done.
:) Thanks Randy!
Great video but a bit misleading. Pronation and supination are forearm rotations. What you and John are describing is internal and external rotation of the shoulder. Internal on backswing and external on downswing. It is ver evident in Eric’s motion. Arm moves as a unit versus pronation on the backswing which lays the club off.
Thanks for the feedback Mike----just looking to keep things simple for the general viewer! Best.
Amateur here. I wrestle with this exact topic. I think of the external rotation as mainly affecting the club SHAFT position (though also involved in closing the face), and the supination largely being about closing the FACE. I can see, for example, starting the supination earlier if the ball is going to the right. The idea of starting the external rotation earlier makes me a little more nervous. Guess I’ll experiment a little and see what the ball thinks 😅
This is the most underrated golf swing concept I've seen yet!
Agreed!
Eric another great video. This video paired with the wrist set video is what a really needed. Thank you.
Thanks Calvin! Our pleasure!
I’m sure that I have seen this video before. I broke my wrist in August and have not come close to parring a par 5 because I probably averaged 160 off the tee. I have been gaining yards as my arm strengthens. After seeing this video yesterday it pushed me over the edge. I had my first par on a par five in over five months. It’s sort of a milestone having fractured my wrist. Thx
Hell yeah love it!
@@CogornoGolf I took a lesson with JT Thomas last month.
Jt the man! How did it go?
@ It went well I thought that I could have been given a few more drills. I lack imagination because it’s hard to imagine that he not on tour.
This is huge for me. I've always wondered why I have a slight chicken wing and could never figure out why. Just recently, I realized I'm not rotating my arms like that and not firing/releasing at all. I started working on it this week and holy shit, world of difference. It just feels naturally faster through the ball and the swing feels so much different, but better.
:) Nice!!
This is exactly what my coach has got me working on! Great video!
:) Thanks Martin!
Man, I'm swinging it so freaking good. Supinating it just right. Foam practice balls are the best practice aids.
Love to hear this!
Interesting! I was at the range yesterday working on really not tensing up and letting the club do most of the work and found myself feeling like I was rotating my arms a lot. However, In the past, I used to hook a lot so I thought I was reverting back to my old habits and tried not doing it as much. Oddly enough I found myself hitting very good shots with the rotating feel. I found my arms nice and long well past the golf ball almost like I was pointing to the target with both arms
:)
Great video. I always do it late and the result is not consistent and times I forget. When I hit a bad shot I realize that I didn't rotate. Next shot I do it correctly and the results are great. Thanks for reenforcing what I thought was my biggest issue with consistency. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Tom!👊
I worked on more arm rotation nearly all summer, I am the golfer that when I do it and it feels great by the way hello club release, but the ball hooks off the planet. I cant seem to dial it back to make it playable. its great to say hey you need to rotate the arms more but if the golfer cant take it to the course he will always revert back just so he can get round.(who said golf was hard lol) hard dilemma to solve. great video.
Thank you Steve!
Love the videos Eric, trying to assimilate this with your past lesson with Mike Malaska where arm rotation was “frowned upon”
Help?
It DEPENDS mainly on where the club face is...
If the club face is more square/sooner then you don't need AS MUCH arm rotation....but you still need SOME.
In this video I go through the big 3 variables that control face angle and how to match them up should help clear it up....just different styles
ua-cam.com/video/fCW9W_lGQtM/v-deo.html&pp=ygUhRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIG1vc3QgaW1wb3J0YW50IHNraWxs
I found taking a baseball swing with a golf club really showcased the rotation of the arms, then take the feel from those reps to the ball, same swing different plane.
For sure!
i like the idea of the stick in the glove, gonna try that, thnx.
Hope it helps, Steve!
In my case, early L upper arm rotation was causing my left arm to disconnect, then to balance the club I was really laid off. To fix the laid off I started to keeping that upper arm on the chest. Jimmy Ballard talks about keeping the elbows pointed down. I don't think it stopped the upper arm rotation, but is now later in the BS and less of it. When I see pictures the top position looks mo' better.
Yep!
Like this: ua-cam.com/video/RROKALR1xrU/v-deo.html
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Understood John---appreciate the feedback!
Absolutely Eric. I appreciate your accessibility on the platform. Please keep up your stellar work..
On the positive side, the divot board does what it advertises very well. Visually , I can see my consistency (or lack thereof) striking and compressing the ball. So overall, this was a positive purchase and the pad lasts thousands of swings. So the additional cost may only be $40/ year...not a terrible investment in my game in that light.
I didn't mean to come off hyper critical. It was merely meant as an observation for the casual viewer.
All good!
When I’m playing a fade, I’ll use more of the Mike Malaska approach. I’ll cock the wrists more BACK on the backswing, which keeps the face more square to the arc, and creates a bow in the left wrist. I then turn hard from the top, which kicks the club out a bit to get my outside/in path. I’ve taken a slightly weaker grip, and I also add more right bend through impact to help stabilize the face. Then, after impact I release the club with more of the right hand flip forward, instead of feeling like the forearms roll over. To hit a draw I do more of the style that they just demonstrated. However, left knuckles are down, and left wrist is flat through impact on both swings. Hope this helps someone…
I like it!
Great video. Wondering if you can concentrate on your right-hand pronation and get the same results? Thanks
For sure
This gentelman rocks
Thank you!
Definitely feel that's a lot to learn in terms of thinking about rotating arm and wrist position. Naively hoping that you could just have a good setup and that does most of the work. Being left handed that plays right, i have much easier job rotating arm and wrist, just need the skill to do it without much thinking.
I guess if i start hitting left the next part is coming more from inside.
Btw John should get some "Fix your grip!' t-shirts made 😄
Lol for sure!
Here is more on the supination that might help!
ua-cam.com/video/3pW6O_YHdPI/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/vKtZi2iESSE/v-deo.html
Sir you are the best
Appreciate the support!
My favorite video🍻
Thank you!
Good stuff again! The pros have a greater ability to rotate their hips in the downswing than amateurs - so does that influence arm rotation?
Part of it
Hi Eric thanks for the video. You will never supinate or Pronate the forearms if you grip the club too tightly. End result all wrist action. Which unfortunately amateurs do. Thanks Again Eric. Love your lessons
Thank you, Stuart! Appreciate you watching the channel!
Excellent video E. I can do that lead arm drill while my other arm recovers from surgery. Question for you, fix swing before club fitting or fitting then fix swing? Thanks
Swing first
So im a holder now, I used to have tons of rotation and it seems like the quicker that I start to rotate the left palm up on the downswing to supinate, the more that my club steepens, what am I missing? Also on short shots inside of 80 yards holding it open I seem to hit them well, but if I supinate then I hook them off the planet 30 yards or more. Love the video and just looking to improve. Thanks
Hey Aaron!
It should really PRONATE A BIT.....for the very first part of the downswing....then it supinates from there all the way through
this is a nice overview of details: ua-cam.com/video/mG5vqemOzyg/v-deo.html
For me, when I'm thinking about supination of the lead arm, it happens independent of the wrist and hand. You can use the supination to keep the club face extremely square and stable, you just have to have very supple, relaxed wrists and be aware of where the face is actually square. You may also have to slightly adjust your grip so that when everything is in the right position mechanically with the body, the face is being delivered properly.
Loving the content, Eric. How does this differ from what Mike Malaska teaches. Ive been trying to accomplish the move outlined in this video and then came across Mikes vids and his theory seems to be more of a less rotation and just keeping you club face square with a crazy strong grip. Maybe I’m misinterpreting. The method in your video with John seems to be the more traditional way and makes more sense to me. I have been a functional flipper for years and I’m just trying to figure out how to get a more consistent position at impact.
Hey Raymond!
Thanks for the kind words and support! You will need to ask Mike that one. He is a great guy and I'm sure would be happy to help!
All players supinate as measured in 3d....much more than AMS but slower....as we mentioned :)
Hi Eric, lovely video. I presume this is essentially the Nicklaus release from the top?
Part of it...
Great video! How should I think of this as it relates to shallowing at transition up top? Should it be shallow and then rotate through impact? I found myself getting steeper when trying this out.
Hey Neil!
In reality the shallowing would be happening from the very top to about left arm parallel (thats when some pronation would be OK with lead arm) from there you really kick in the supination part
@@CogornoGolfwatched this video today, liked it, and was going to comment on it only to realize I commented almost 3 years ago. Funny how the algorithm knows I needed to circle back to this concept 😂. Thanks for all you do!
Great content as always, Eric. One question: in the takeaway, and knowing the forearm can rotate independently of the upper arm, is it just the lead forearm that pronates to P1 or is it a subtle pronation of the whole arm? Hope that makes sense.
Hey Tim
Most of it is happening from p2-p4 (takeaway to top)....Its a combination of the pronation AND the internal rotation of the shoulder.....not a lot....but some. Most of it from takeaway to top
@@CogornoGolf thanks Eric. I thinks probably what I meant but you put it better. Combination of forearm pronation and internal shoulder rotation in the takeaway (a little). I seem to have been maxing out the pronation of the lead forearm in the takeaway which could be causing me issues later in the backswing I guess.
Eric, I recently watched a video by Pete Cowan. In this video, the right forearm does the rotating. Does it make any difference which arm we use?
Hey there!
You can FEEL either arm my friend! They will both be rotating together no matter which one you decide to feel👊
I’m slightly confused. Mike Malaska says no forearm rotation, just throw the ball with the right hand. Then he has a video saying the left arm is a rotator. I have been working on the throw the ball concept to minimize clubface rotation and the need for perfect timing. This video says lots of rotation…well which is it?!?
Hey!
Sorry for any confusion----you HAVE TO have rotation (lead arm supination, trail arm pronation).....EVERY.....SINGLE....GOLFER....EVER....has and always will.
The questions are HOW MUCH and WHEN?
That depends a lot on the players body motions and grip
Check out our latest one on this may help explain more especially the second half: ua-cam.com/video/9CeiWv2opZI/v-deo.html
I believe this is the most critical part of a sound, fundamental golf swing and most amateurs (like me) do not execute it well. If you do this correctly, it automatically fixes a lot of other compromised attempts in a golf swing. If I were a golf instructor, this would be my first teaching lesson because everything else falls apart if this is not done properly; thus the hacker lives on.
Hope this one serves you well my friend!
Would it make this rotation easier to set up with both arms externally rotated before taking grip?
Thats a good way to start yes...but the lead arm won't actually be external
earlier in the down swing and more than normal yes could it also be a person needs to strengthen their grip as well??
For sure stronger grip plays a role and can be an alternative to adding more supination!
ua-cam.com/video/3QQUyRnRSJU/v-deo.html
The supination in the downswing makes ton of sense, but what about the backswing? I’ve always been worried about opening or fanning the face open by adding lead arm pronation into the backswing.
Here are the details on that David:
ua-cam.com/video/uA1T_P3Rtlw/v-deo.html
I submit the lead arm should not rotate. There are solid biomechanical reasons for this. Rotation promotes a laid off position, which must be counteracted in the downswing to stay on plane. There is a reason Fred Couples and Jack Nicklaus have flying elbows. They have no need to fight a secondary otp coming down. Staying on plane is automatic.
Hey Peter! Thanks for watching and the feedback!
Any hints for learning this while being over the top? I'm slightly over the top and I worry the better I do this the more drastic the left will be. Do I need to eliminate over the top first? And when I say over the top, I'm a few degrees steep, it's not horrible.
I would do this drill 20-30 reps as close to daily as you can for next 90 days
ua-cam.com/video/APsIJ4M2oSY/v-deo.html
Feel the supination most from hip high to hip high
@@CogornoGolf will report back at Christmas! Appreciate it.
So the wrist motion in the downswing is only downcocking and the forearms are rotating to square the face?
Hey Ross!
Yes, but there's also extension/flexion of the wrists throughout the entire swing. The flexion/extension has an effect on the club face angle alongside the forearm rotation. The longer your lead wrist stays flexed, the longer the club face stays closed to the shaft/path.
In a normal downswing, gradually release wrist angles through impact. Fully released angles at ~45° past impact👍
More details on TIMING of lead wrist flexion to extension:
ua-cam.com/video/Nwz6Yrr9SrI/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/bnNsbWgUjFw/v-deo.html
Hope this helps!
Hi Eric, I think you are hitting the key notes here in your response. For years amateurs tried to effect the squaring of the club face using forearm rotation. Then David Leadbetter placed most of his emphasis on the role of the body rotation to square the face. The right answer I’m sure is a good blend of both. But as you say with a good blend of moving the lead wrist from flexion into extension in the release phase / through impact into post impact especially by P8 / P9 ending up with an extended lead wrist. Interested to know your view on the grip in lead hand wresting on the pad of the lead hand?
Should it be mainly fingers of lead hand / lots of angle at address. Should we be going back into Ulna Deviation through impact/ a downward cocking of the lead wrist (as per the address position)? I’m guessing the lead forearm should continue supinate post impact to the lead arm parallel and folded position adding in the Radial Deviation / vertical cocking of the wrists in the follow through? Are you a fan of spinning the trail hand from pointing down to pointing up palm facing the target? like wiping a window? Myles
Hi Eric, I think you are hitting the key notes here in your response. For years amateurs tried to effect the squaring of the club face using forearm rotation. Then David Leadbetter placed most of his emphasis on the role of the body rotation to square the face. The right answer I’m sure is a good blend of both. But as you say with a good blend of moving the lead wrist from flexion into extension in the release phase / through impact into post impact especially by P8 / P9 ending up with an extended lead wrist. Interested to know your view on the grip in lead hand wresting on the pad of the lead hand?
Should it be mainly fingers of lead hand / lots of angle at address. Should we be going back into Ulna Deviation through impact/ a downward cocking of the lead wrist (as per the address position)? I’m guessing the lead forearm should continue supinate post impact to the lead arm parallel and folded position adding in the Radial Deviation / vertical cocking of the wrists in the follow through? Are you a fan of spinning the trail hand from pointing down to pointing up palm facing the target? like wiping a window? Myles
How do you perfect the timing of rotate that arm? Or know exactly when to start the arm rotation? I feel like this type of swing style aka old school swing is much more timing dependent.
Hey!
The real answer is reps. Feedback with ball and videos. Thousands of reps.
I would say all swings have timing. Those with stronger rip/more closed face will need LESS arm rotation (the argument there would be less timing) but the point is they need A LOT still
Weak grip/open face would need the most...I would not suggest that
Depends some on grip/wrist angles
ua-cam.com/video/3QQUyRnRSJU/v-deo.html
In an earlier video on the release with Steve Sieracki you described how the club twists to impact but the arms don't roll over after impact. this video with John D. describes L arm rotation to impact and through imp. act with the club face more closed at the finish. Can you explain the difference?
Hey Michael!
It does BOTH
1. Lead wrist flexion
2. Lead arm supination
There is also
3. Ulnar deviation
ua-cam.com/video/U5w_7XwaVks/v-deo.html
Thanks for the reply! The link you sent referred to wrist movement to impact but my question is the rotation post impact into the finish. The John D. release showed the R hand over or on top of the L at R arm parallel in the finish. The Steve Sierecki vid said there is no rollover post impact and R arm under the L. Was the follow through and finish the same for both?
Hey Michael!
Of course there is SOME roll.
Steve point just not to over due it.
It really depends on the player and where they are coming from/need more of
ALL player have supination....all of them. Cant not have it.
@@CogornoGolf
Thanks!
Oh my God, my friends, this is the exact opposite of what I've been doing! I've trying to keep my left (lead) wrist flat through the downswing as much as possible. Try it - it will STOP your momentum (which is why I'm not getting to my left side, and cutting off my swing)! It completely stops momentum and flow of the swing without left wrist rotation!
Hope this one helps Tom!👊
So I have a 2-way miss; pull-hook and block-slice. Does that mean that I sometimes overdo the supination and other times underdo it? Assuming that is correct, my goal is to get control of it and find the midway amount that gets me square.
Hey Ken!
I can't say without seeing your swing on video....could be several things (supination being ONE part of it)
Join www.cogornoolf.com and send in your videos so we can see and work together to find solution!
Excellent!
Thank you!
Great video. The release was seen as a dirty word for quite a few years. Not sure why. Never seen a good player who doesn’t release.
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Thank you, Rod!
Is there any rotation of the right arm? What is its role in the swing?
For sure! We have lots on this here:
ua-cam.com/video/Kcr0qREfUzg/v-deo.html
Is it wrong to feel this arm rotation in the trail arm instead of the lead arm?
Totally OK to feel trail arm as well/instead
ive been doing what john says in the first min, and look like eric in the bad pictures. i get flippy and no shaft lean and have high big draws and pulls half the time also my arms break down no extension. i started to practice swings in my garage and when i do this move both arms stay really extended but im scared i will hook the ball
if we don't turn the left arm or left elbow down then the left arm will break down every time is the feeling i get
Hope you get it sorted and these videos help! If not consider www.cogornogolf.com you can send us in your swings there we can put a specific plan together to help fix!
Vijay Singh looks like he could badly hold on to the club with the right hand as his left arm is moving so fast. Old school instruction has this drill as mainstay but modern instruction has forgotten about the role of lead arm to be trained independently
I'm thinking The Hangar is going to help me tremendously with this. Just ordered one.
Yes!
@@CogornoGolf Eric, I meant to ask...in the downswing you want your golf glove logo facing the camera as opposed to facing the ground? Thanks!
answered on other one for ya!
Eric, think of throwing a frisbee.
Yep!
Is this lesson a moot point if someone is using the more modern "throw release" ?? I thought so much closure through the hitting area was thing of the past. Eric did a video a while back regarding the throw release....when throwing with the right hand the left follows along going into flexion big time. Very confusing......Gary
Hey Gary!
If you don't struggle with right shots (as a righty) or lack of distance than this is of no concern!
If you struggle with those you can look at more supination as a piece to help!
@@CogornoGolf thank you!!
@@CogornoGolf thank you!!
"your brain is trying to save you" - and I feel its struggle......
:)
How does this fare with your video of 5 months ago about how the wrists work? Tell us soon so we won’t get wrapped up in wrong thoughts. Dang the swing keeps getting explained in simpler fashion, why am I not scratch!
Hey Simmo! Which one....not sure what you mean??
@@CogornoGolf “How the wrists really work”. Maybe you can also answer this I think its AMG that states not to move hands toward the ball in downswing. Mike Malaska, Pete Cowan, have a video having you throw a ball at the ball. Heres the question which of these do we idiots follow?
Need the supination move of the left arm to be married to keeping the left upper arm attached to the chest/pec at impact and during most of the follow through. Most of your supination demonstrations showed the arm disconnecting from the chest. Clarification please.
The left arm adducts in the backswing (bicep closer to the chest)
More adduction in early transition from top to about lead arm parallel
From there through the arm is ABDUCTING (bicep away from pec) the whole way through
Arm comes AWAY from pec
Some other you tubers may disagree with your analysis. Figure 7 pec grab ala Mike Austin with continuation well into the follow through combined with forearm supination and folding of the left arm 30 inches beyond impact. This works for me and many pros eg Freddy.. Several ways to skin the cat.
Thanks for your feedback....that not what I see from 3D measurements. I see what I stated.
Colin Morikawa says he has never consciously pronated his wrist at impact
It may not be a CONSCIOUS move for some, but it's definitely happening to some degree in any good golf swing!
@@CogornoGolf That seems logical and Morikawa with that bowed wrist at the top doesn't require tons of face manipulation
Why open it on the backswing?
Every GEARS measurement I have seen shows a wildly open club face in the backswing (relative to starting position)
How could you not open it?
@@CogornoGolf
I guess we need to define "open" first.
Let's invent a term.:
Open to the shoulder line.
In other words if the club sole is parallel to the torso and perpendicular to the shoulder line it's square.
So one could be facing away from the target, and though the face is "open" to the target line it would be square to the shoulders in a parallel to the torso perp to shoulder position.
So what is Gears measuring "open" from?
Open to what?
Now, what to do with the forearm rotation?
Have you seen Dunaway via Austin do the swing motion with the model airplane in hands?
This is a good visual to see what I'm getting at. It's what Morikawa does. The best iron player on earth.
I've been trying to persuade that the forearm rotation dogma is taught wrongly reversed. The airplane demonstration is the best visual I know of.
Ponder this....
Eric , from golf posture wind your arm up to throw a ball at the ball on the ground in playing position.
Now tell me how your right forearm wound up?
It wound up counterclockwise. Unless you are the worst thrower in the history of the world.
Yet we are to believe the right forearm rotates clockwise in a golf swing?
Is Dustin and Colin and Duvall , Trevino and.. . Doing that? Are they dead shut and wrist flexed at the top because they rotated clockwise? No.
And another absurdity about it...
So we're supposed to be heel leading toe at 9:00 takeaway, which is definitely not rotated clockwise in the forearms at that point, and then we:re supposed to sling the face open with forearm clockwise rotation in a millisecond to the top and then rotate them back to square in the next millisecond to impact? Really?
And we wonder why a player shoots 65 one day and 24 hours later he shoots 75?
It's utterly impossible to master.
IMO its a throwback to hickory shafts. But that's another story...There is a better way.
See, heres the problem, with the forearms rotating closed and the pivot closing the face relative to target line on tbe downswing they compound each other in effect
Imagine a world where the face was working closed to open through impact relative to the shoulders and the pivot was closing the face relative to target line? Do you see how errors are halved in severity then?
Why is the left left miss the bane of good golfers?
Why is the left left miss never seen in the great strikers? Because they figured it out .
@@555Trout
"I guess we need to define "open" first.
Let's invent a term.
Open to the shoulder line."
"Square, open, or shut to path" is all that's needed. When you speak of square to shoulder line, spine, or target line etc, people's eyes glaze over (mine too lol). I prefer square to path; very simple, accurate, and powerful, and it is controlled by the humeri, not the forearms.
@@whetedge I wouldn't disagree.
@@whetedge And it's rare to see someone know it's the humeri and not the damn forearms. There's hope!
How is this different from “fanning it open” which I thought we were NOT supposed to do on the way back? I found my game improved when I made a concerted effort to keep the face closed the whole way back and this is basically the total opposite
I can't speak for the instructors, but my interpretation is that it doesn't matter who you are (pro/am), there will *always* be forearm rotation away from the ball on the backswing. With a proper grip and wrist conditions at the top, the face of the club should still be fairly closed. That said, even with a shut clubface at the top, you're still going to need to rotate that lead forearm back toward the ball in order to square the clubface. How much you have to rotate is dependant on your particular grip and wrist conditions at the top.
Hey P T
We didn't talk for one second about the backswing here? So not sure on what one but we are talking downswing lead arm supination. Which as mentioned the pros do about twice as much and much slower as measured.
Best
Generally fanning ..involves heavy use of wrists flipping club back open...the video involves paired arm swing..torso turn and forearm rotation all married together
Got to work on this. I can feel it when I do it right but then the moron John takes over and I forget. The better ball strikers know how to use the muscle between their ears. Love the instruction, you are the best!
Thanks, John!
So just swing with out moving wrists and it just happens naturally with your wrists?
Wish anything were that easy :)
Need to see your swing on video.
Some people----yess no thought will lead to perfect motion. Others no thought will lead to terrible moves and you need to ACTIVELY think to fix it.
You gotta make all your videos shorter. So much fluff and junk it's painful to get through.. This should have been
Thanks for the feedback, Brian!
Excellent!!!
Thanks Omar!