Friends Don't Let Friends Overhype the MP7

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  • @md_vandenberg
    @md_vandenberg 16 днів тому +1360

    "They hated him because he spoke the truth."

  • @sgtmacsalty1282
    @sgtmacsalty1282 16 днів тому +2962

    Ian woke up today and chose violence, and I love it.

    • @bsmithhammer
      @bsmithhammer 16 днів тому +44

      It is Sunday Gunday, I am in the Temple of Gun Jesus, and I am blessed.

    • @Al_capachino
      @Al_capachino 16 днів тому +2

      😆

    • @noneshere
      @noneshere 16 днів тому +13

      Even a court order means nothing without being backed by violence ☺️

    • @beargillium2369
      @beargillium2369 16 днів тому

      😂😂😂

    • @RichardCranium321
      @RichardCranium321 16 днів тому +13

      Is this a shot fired at Garandthumb or just a coincidence?

  • @Hysteria98
    @Hysteria98 16 днів тому +1855

    Fuck all that- I want to know why people have stopped putting the Pancor Jackhammer in video games for nearly 20 years.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  16 днів тому +1753

      Because it's no longer owned by someone who will readily rent it out to game designers to model.

    • @user-mn8lz7gf6d
      @user-mn8lz7gf6d 16 днів тому +280

      @@ForgottenWeapons oof

    • @ackerkartoffel8627
      @ackerkartoffel8627 16 днів тому +55

      you can essentially just rip a model from a diffrent game and model after the ripped model

    • @tenchraven
      @tenchraven 16 днів тому +104

      @@ackerkartoffel8627Now, if someone is using the same graphics engine, yes. If you can find a really good 3D model and you can port it into your engine, yes, but I'm not sure there is such a thing. But old games, where every game was it's own stand alone technology, harder.

    • @qd88
      @qd88 16 днів тому +38

      He literally did a video about why. Lol

  • @Zach_Hazard
    @Zach_Hazard 16 днів тому +1307

    Me, holding my TP9: "Good. Good."

    • @WingMaster562
      @WingMaster562 16 днів тому +86

      I just commented "I await for Zach Hazard's comment of approval" then scrolled down and saw yours lol

    • @Mr_Blonde-ru9kd
      @Mr_Blonde-ru9kd 16 днів тому +25

      Are you cheating on the CMP M1 Garand rn? :(

    • @CorkScrewDood
      @CorkScrewDood 16 днів тому +7

      You bought both lmao

    • @Zach_Hazard
      @Zach_Hazard 16 днів тому +51

      ⁠​⁠@@CorkScrewDood I said I borrowed it from my friend twice lmao

    • @schlectmond2924
      @schlectmond2924 16 днів тому +11

      @Zach_Hazard I actually just watched your video on the MP7 not too long before this. Good to see you out in the wilds.

  • @mrtlsimon
    @mrtlsimon 16 днів тому +1840

    "Stop falling for Guntuber bullsh*t." - Gun Jesus, 1st Gunrithians 9x19

    • @bsmithhammer
      @bsmithhammer 16 днів тому +62

      Here endeth the lesson. Amen.

    • @highlandoutsider
      @highlandoutsider 16 днів тому +23

      🙏

    • @georgesears2916
      @georgesears2916 16 днів тому +67

      Ah, from the book of Armaments, I know it well

    • @bsmithhammer
      @bsmithhammer 16 днів тому +37

      @@georgesears2916 Still waiting for Gen 2 of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. They announced that at SHOT years ago. Friggin' Brits...

    • @joebob502
      @joebob502 16 днів тому +3

      😂😂😂😂 Nice 👍🏾

  • @brooxeyyy
    @brooxeyyy 16 днів тому +1579

    The MP9 is like a good marriage. It just works. The MP7 is like that utterly impossible crush you had in your younger years, where the feeling later faded away as you got to know them better.

    • @madengineer9072
      @madengineer9072 16 днів тому +30

      Well it is 2 more so that just makes sense it would be better 😁

    • @johnqpublic2718
      @johnqpublic2718 16 днів тому +64

      Considering the divorce Rates in the states, by this analogy, the mp7 should be plentiful and the mp9 exceedingly rare.

    • @102ndsmirnov7
      @102ndsmirnov7 16 днів тому +13

      tbh I also think the MP9 looks better but that might just be me. I'd take one of the cool 9x39 guns over both of these though.

    • @CircaSriYak
      @CircaSriYak 16 днів тому +1

      Poetism

    • @murphy7801
      @murphy7801 16 днів тому

      I think this only applies to the USA. Where it's uncommon.

  • @cherenkov_blue
    @cherenkov_blue 16 днів тому +563

    I like how even the Schnellfeuer is above "Every one of those sketchy glock carbine setups"

  • @Joe45-91
    @Joe45-91 16 днів тому +769

    Im guessing Ian realized he's gotten all the footage he needs from HK showroom and range lol

    • @michaelprather8371
      @michaelprather8371 16 днів тому +121

      H&K would probably like it if us plebes would stop pestering them about the MP7.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  16 днів тому +1015

      Can you imagine how frustrating it would be to work at HK USA and know that you could just print money with an SP7 but for the arbitrary decision of someone in Oberndorf who doesn't think civilians ought to be able to buy them?

    • @murphy7801
      @murphy7801 16 днів тому +35

      Germans just think differently

    • @CircaSriYak
      @CircaSriYak 16 днів тому +72

      @@ForgottenWeapons its even funnier because we civilians can make better weapons anyway. Look at the MDRX Micron. We just want the MP7 for the looks.

    • @lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273
      @lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273 16 днів тому

      @@ForgottenWeapons Isn't any weapon with caliber below 6.3 mm illegal to own by civilians in Germany? Which would make it impossible (or really hard?) to get the BKA ruling that "SP"7 is not a weapon of war (especially with all that alleged soft body armor piercing and stuff) and therefore impossible to put on civilian market (even on EU market)? Which also would make it impossible to export to US? And then there would all the dumb US import stuff to tackle....
      And making a 9mm MP7 feels... just wrong.

  • @smoogy2164
    @smoogy2164 16 днів тому +276

    "The MP7 shows up in a lot of videogames"
    True but the MP9/TMP is one of the original 10 guns in Counter-Strike, the GOAT of "that gun was in that game" games.

    • @FuzedBox
      @FuzedBox 15 днів тому +17

      I fell in love with it in Perfect Dark.

    • @shaes7857
      @shaes7857 15 днів тому +26

      Don't forget Resident Evil 4!

    • @discman15
      @discman15 15 днів тому +9

      Also Raven Shield

    • @no1DdC
      @no1DdC 15 днів тому +4

      @@FuzedBox That game has no right still feeling so good 24 years after its release. Admittedly, the remaster coat of paint, 60 fps and modern controls help, but still.

    • @chiefkeef74
      @chiefkeef74 15 днів тому +6

      MP-9 was also in Rainbow Six Vegas 2

  • @gz7006
    @gz7006 16 днів тому +372

    I really like at the end how it lists a Mauser Schnellfeuer as an alternative to the MP7.

    • @tenchraven
      @tenchraven 16 днів тому +47

      Same size, better round. Stock is less wiggly.

    • @vos2693
      @vos2693 15 днів тому +8

      A choice of avid collector. It's a nice gun, stranger.

    • @no1DdC
      @no1DdC 15 днів тому +17

      @@tenchraven Also, hundreds of Chinese warlords can't have all been wrong, right?

    • @connergibson9453
      @connergibson9453 15 днів тому +3

      An objectively cooler alternative at that

    • @leoli2450
      @leoli2450 14 днів тому +5

      You let me pick between a full-auto c96 and a run-of-the-mill mp7 its c96 any day, any hour, any second of the week. The latter I imagine I bring it to the range its "wow, nice" and the former is "HOLY FUCK"

  • @OneGlassNail
    @OneGlassNail 16 днів тому +262

    Wow, Ian woke up and decided to rip the floor out of every one of those videos about the MP7. Even credited the "sketchy Glock carbine setups" at the end.

    • @bsmithhammer
      @bsmithhammer 16 днів тому

      Cue the HK cult butthurt.

    • @monotech20.14
      @monotech20.14 16 днів тому +3

      And we thank him for it.

    • @Vanalos
      @Vanalos 15 днів тому

      tbf pistol carbine setups really aren't that great.

    • @bosknight7837
      @bosknight7837 15 днів тому +4

      @@VanalosThey’re pretty fun for recreational use,but don’t really have any other sensible applications imho

    • @foxxoboxxo1611
      @foxxoboxxo1611 13 днів тому

      @@bosknight7837Things like the flux raider or usw would say otherwise.

  • @JC_R8MEOW
    @JC_R8MEOW 16 днів тому +175

    Hit the 3:28 mark and nearly destroyed my laptop with a spit take. Well played, sir.

  • @andersjjensen
    @andersjjensen 16 днів тому +55

    "Every one of those sketchy Glock carbine setups" had me in stitches :D

  • @willfrankunsubscribed
    @willfrankunsubscribed 16 днів тому +621

    Clearly the MP7 is the wrong option, when the Belgian Space Gun P90 exists. If it's good enough for Stargate Command, it's good enough for me!

    • @sike3000
      @sike3000 16 днів тому +85

      A Serpent guard, a Horus guard and a Setesh guard meet on a neutral planet. It is a tense moment. The Serpent guard’s eyes glow. The Horus guard’s beak glistens. The Setesh guard’s... nose drips.

    • @miss_bec
      @miss_bec 16 днів тому +23

      This is the correct opinion. The rest are wrong, even my own. Pack it up, let's go home.

    • @highlandoutsider
      @highlandoutsider 16 днів тому +2

      ​@@sike3000😂🔥

    • @TheGrendelbane
      @TheGrendelbane 16 днів тому +10

      Stargate did use MP7s in one episode. Or did I dream that?

    • @sike3000
      @sike3000 16 днів тому +13

      @@TheGrendelbane yeah in later season when they go "undercover" to infiltrate the Lucien Alliance

  • @nothomer267
    @nothomer267 16 днів тому +99

    There I was twirling an 1851 navy sa when I saw this awesome rebuttal

    • @vincentmueller3717
      @vincentmueller3717 16 днів тому +5

      Some reproduction models were cut for stocks, so there you go.

  • @ErikL727
    @ErikL727 16 днів тому +52

    Long ago, LAV said 4.6 and 5.7 were “center mass, mag dump” boomsticks. Facts.

    • @leobuana7430
      @leobuana7430 16 днів тому +10

      Apparently not enough people know about this,someone posted about how his friend do exactly this with his 5.7 on self defense situation and one of comment pretty much ask "why would someone continue to mag dump after hitting the target with 10 shots ?"

    • @jmpetersrn
      @jmpetersrn 15 днів тому +1

      True.
      On a side note, I wonder how he is doing. Makes me sad and angry at the same time for being so foolish.

  • @nextcaesargaming5469
    @nextcaesargaming5469 16 днів тому +93

    I wouldn't mind rocking a Schnellfeur in a modern high-speed configuration instead of an MP7

    • @tarmaque
      @tarmaque 16 днів тому +4

      You can buy an Airsoft or BB firing CO2 metal replica M712 that is correct in nearly every detail (it even disassembles the same way.) I may be unusual in this, but I got bored with the full-auto function extremely quickly. I've always wanted a Mauser Broomhandle, but for $100 (at the time) I cured myself of that. It's heavy, awkward, and fun for about 10 minutes. The same company makes a P08 Luger replica that's a lot more practical for the same price, but even at that I'd rather shoot my Glock or my Star Model B any day of the week. Those being my two favorite 9mm pistols. I also like my Grandpower.

    • @nextcaesargaming5469
      @nextcaesargaming5469 16 днів тому +12

      @@tarmaque For me, its a simple case of 'drip or drown'
      A modern PDW may be more practical, but the Schnellfeur has way more X Factor than anything of that class made within the last 60 years

    • @Rixoli
      @Rixoli 15 днів тому +5

      If there was a way to take it from the blinding 900-1000 RPM down to a more reasonable like 500-600 in 9mm on par with say the MP40, I'd give my firstborn for such a thing.

  • @metrazol
    @metrazol 16 днів тому +260

    Gordon Freeman didn't liberate City 17 with an MP9, Ian. He did it with an MP7. And a rocket launcher. And a big robot. And a gravity gun. But other than that, the Combine can pry my MP7 from my cold dead hands!

    • @moosemaimer
      @moosemaimer 16 днів тому +86

      the real hero of Earth is the Colt Anaconda

    • @robertkalinic335
      @robertkalinic335 16 днів тому +31

      I think that the self repairing fast healing hazmat armor suit deserves all the praise if it enables you to survive long enough where you can combat aliens effectively with crowbar.
      In fact its so good its creators decided to use homemade potato batteries to power the light just to make sure that the interdimensional superpowers cant justify using arsenal that would wipe the world militaries out faster than seven hours.

    • @arratikli7497
      @arratikli7497 16 днів тому +8

      @@moosemaimer and the USP

    • @JaredWeiler
      @JaredWeiler 16 днів тому +37

      Yeah, and can the MP9 shoot a grenade out of the totally real and not too small secondary barrel? Nope. Another win for the MP7.

    • @TheRogueWolf
      @TheRogueWolf 16 днів тому +28

      Spoken like someone who's never gotten his hands on an AR3. Or wrestled a Hunter to the ground with his bare hands.

  • @bburchellphotos
    @bburchellphotos 15 днів тому +15

    The TP9 is obviously the best choice because it was featured in Perfect Dark. The only thing it's lacking is the lock-on track feature.

  • @DanAllen117
    @DanAllen117 16 днів тому +37

    As the proud owner of a TP9, I couldn't agree more. There isn't much sense getting all hyped up over a gun you genuinely can't get your hands on.

    • @Chug-Jug-Fan
      @Chug-Jug-Fan 15 днів тому +2

      The MP7 has more sex appeal. TP9 is like a beautiful wife, but the MP7 is like your first celebrity crush.

    • @SNKNostalgia
      @SNKNostalgia 9 днів тому

      If they get the trigger to be better. Immediately bought. It's only fair

  • @pataki2666
    @pataki2666 16 днів тому +163

    MP7: Not available in 6.5x25 CBJ.
    MP9: Available in 6.5x25 CBJ.
    Furthermore, to all the naysayers out there: 7

    • @silverbug97
      @silverbug97 16 днів тому +14

      I'd be all for it if someone were to somehow make a semi-auto civilian legal copy of the CBJ-MS.

    • @CircaSriYak
      @CircaSriYak 16 днів тому +20

      what does CBJ stand for? 🐓 and ball jingling?

    • @80m63rM4n
      @80m63rM4n 16 днів тому +12

      But does it come in 7.65x20 French Longue?

    • @JackTagar
      @JackTagar 16 днів тому +9

      Which is exactly why I want an Stribog SP10. Because when you need the highest stopping power possible in a compact package, accept no substitutes. 7

    • @BeingFireRetardant
      @BeingFireRetardant 16 днів тому

      ​@@JackTagar
      So .45acp then?

  • @torgranael
    @torgranael 15 днів тому +13

    The MP7 is the katana of the submachine guns: so hyped up, it could be supernatural if rumours are to be believed.
    Up next: "Friends Don't Let Friends Overhype the Desert Eagle". The pistol so powerful, it creates black holes wherever it hits.

  • @Meyer-gp7nq
    @Meyer-gp7nq 16 днів тому +549

    Sometimes I swear Ian is at war with Garand Thumb

    • @Meyer-gp7nq
      @Meyer-gp7nq 16 днів тому +118

      Or colluding with him

    • @bitfreakazoid
      @bitfreakazoid 16 днів тому +194

      GT didn't talk to kindly on the MP7 either.

    • @undefinedhuman7404
      @undefinedhuman7404 16 днів тому +59

      good, garand thumb is vantablack brimstone

    • @johnqpublic2718
      @johnqpublic2718 16 днів тому +162

      GT and Micah were absolutely NOT kind to the TP7 or MP7, at all.

    • @johnqpublic2718
      @johnqpublic2718 16 днів тому +8

      ​@@undefinedhuman7404care to elaborate?

  • @hamsterg0d
    @hamsterg0d 16 днів тому +52

    MP9 is in the original Counterstrike.

    • @TheSixteen60
      @TheSixteen60 16 днів тому +7

      No, that was the TMP. CS2 has the MP9.

    • @Maximus20778
      @Maximus20778 16 днів тому +16

      ​@@TheSixteen60 Their both the same thing dude

    • @paulrastetter6163
      @paulrastetter6163 16 днів тому

      I love Counterstrike Source.

    • @hamsterg0d
      @hamsterg0d 16 днів тому +11

      @@TheSixteen60 Yeah they are the same. Think it changed name when B&T bought the rights to it from Steyr.

    • @potetobloke4731
      @potetobloke4731 13 днів тому +1

      TMP, but they're practically the same banana

  • @BenSuzuki
    @BenSuzuki 16 днів тому +73

    Intervention: It's not a problem! I can quit any time I want!

    • @Daniel-xs8tr
      @Daniel-xs8tr 16 днів тому +6

      😂😂😂

    • @stevene6482
      @stevene6482 16 днів тому +19

      Last time you said that, you called in sick from work to go to the range and came home reeking of oil and powder!

  • @RandomDude85
    @RandomDude85 15 днів тому +23

    And lo, the followers of the MP7 did cry out, "Behold, it is like unto a marvel among arms." But the elders, wise in the ways of warfare, proclaimed, "Heed not the hype, for there are many tools in the armory of the Lord, and the MP7 is but one." Seek ye first the path of the MP9 and the SIG, for they smiteth thine enemies with greater fury and cost not a king’s ransom in silver.
    Caliberians 9: 19

    • @nc_classics9767
      @nc_classics9767 13 днів тому +1

      Romans 6:16,17
      The Bible says that people cannot continue their walk with Jesus without trusting and obeying him.

  • @IR_IE_ID
    @IR_IE_ID 16 днів тому +287

    inb4 garand thumb

    • @crushingexistentialism
      @crushingexistentialism 16 днів тому +32

      Brassfacts nodding, stroking his beard knowingly as he holds his mp9

    • @bsmithhammer
      @bsmithhammer 16 днів тому

      inb4 the HK cult butthurt

    • @monotech20.14
      @monotech20.14 16 днів тому +16

      Garand Thumb should just stick to larping and prepping for zombies.

    • @bsmithhammer
      @bsmithhammer 15 днів тому

      Inb4 the HK Cult loses its collective mind.

    • @DigitalApex
      @DigitalApex 15 днів тому +20

      ​@@monotech20.14 He's said all the shit Ian just did for years, too. He actually cited Ian as someone who also dislikes the MP7. Mike has shit on the gun repeatedly.

  • @hazloner117
    @hazloner117 16 днів тому +125

    give jager his acog back

    • @jeremybrown9611
      @jeremybrown9611 16 днів тому +4

      Did him dirty

    • @bassdasdwadsasdasw
      @bassdasdwadsasdasw 16 днів тому +4

      That was the beginning of the downfall of siege 😢

    • @zgmfx-09a
      @zgmfx-09a 16 днів тому +16

      Its bandit, bandit has the mp7

    • @flynn9003
      @flynn9003 16 днів тому +14

      Bandit too, he’s the one with the mp7. Jager has the 416

    • @xnopyt13
      @xnopyt13 16 днів тому

      Man I miss og siege

  • @peepsbates
    @peepsbates 16 днів тому +129

    Yes but can it fire grenades like the MP7 in Half Life 2? I think not!

    • @peppermillers8361
      @peppermillers8361 16 днів тому +17

      If only....

    • @fckgooogle1000x
      @fckgooogle1000x 16 днів тому

      And hold 45 rounds in 20 round magazines, clearly unrivalled

    • @Vin_San
      @Vin_San 16 днів тому +6

      Uhhhhhh, in HL2 it launch grenade from a 6 o'clock attachment right?
      On the TP7 you have Mlok (and so picatinny) avaible, so, M320-style avaible
      On the MP9, I don't know if you have a 6 o'clock attachment, but if so, LEZGO M203/320, KABOUM

    • @peppermillers8361
      @peppermillers8361 16 днів тому +11

      @@Vin_San it launches it from nothing. The MP7 in HL2 was not designed to shoot a grenade launcher in-game.

    • @bigpalookaalt
      @bigpalookaalt 16 днів тому +7

      ​@@peppermillers8361 It made a lot more sense when it was originally gonna be an OICW lol

  • @TwinklesTheChinchilla
    @TwinklesTheChinchilla 16 днів тому +20

    HK doesn't even want your money, let alone your affection. Yet so many still simp for her...

    • @georgewhitworth9742
      @georgewhitworth9742 15 днів тому +9

      H&K fanboys really do be like dudes that crush on celebrity women, don't they?

    • @ianfinrir8724
      @ianfinrir8724 15 днів тому +4

      They say the heart wants what it wants. Well, the heart is a damn moron.

  • @xnopyt13
    @xnopyt13 16 днів тому +179

    LMAO shots fired

    • @Autobotmatt428
      @Autobotmatt428 16 днів тому +5

      War was declared! The gauntlet has been thrown.

    • @Dapstart
      @Dapstart 16 днів тому +4

      @@Autobotmatt428ware were declared

    • @HeroOfTheDay545
      @HeroOfTheDay545 16 днів тому +3

      Not if they were from a T7.

  • @JonesyMcDanes
    @JonesyMcDanes 16 днів тому +16

    There're a few 9x19 loads that are both hollow points and which penetrate lvl 3A NIJ body armor. 4.6x30 is also limited to penetrating lvl 3A NIJ but only with specifically armor piecing rounds.
    The small bore high velocity PDW is just kind of antiquated outside of a military context where you're limited by rules of war.

    • @timparkhurst8661
      @timparkhurst8661 15 днів тому

      ua-cam.com/video/IljemYWiCYc/v-deo.htmlsi=up5ujtNgxEyKurMi

    • @domaxltv
      @domaxltv 15 днів тому +1

      What the fuck do you need a weapon for other than fighting a war tho

    • @timparkhurst8661
      @timparkhurst8661 15 днів тому +1

      @@domaxltv Giving good gifts. Precious metals investments. Does it show the link to youtube video I posted in first comment?

    • @JonesyMcDanes
      @JonesyMcDanes 15 днів тому +6

      @@domaxltv I mean... literally any scenario where another person or animal is trying to hurt you or someone else?
      There's also hunting, sporting, and recreation. Which comprises the use of like 80-90% of guns.

  • @bitfreakazoid
    @bitfreakazoid 16 днів тому +27

    "This video brought to you by:" LOL

  • @Brigand231
    @Brigand231 15 днів тому +13

    I remember when the MP9 was the Steyr TMP.

  • @nemilyk
    @nemilyk 16 днів тому +36

    I dunno Ian... I wouldn't count the MP7 out... last I heard the 7 ate 9...

  • @JoshuaCalvert80
    @JoshuaCalvert80 16 днів тому +18

    Just the video for Mike and Micah, perfect timing ❤

  • @danielboudreau8404
    @danielboudreau8404 16 днів тому +23

    I don't know why, but I have never had any interest in the MP7. Availability aside, I would rather choose either a MK18 or a MP5k.

  • @GTTMRC95
    @GTTMRC95 16 днів тому +54

    Remember when Germany killed the EU PDW program because the commission chose the P90 over the MP7 because it was the better gun?
    I do, so fuck the MP7.

    • @_xgreex_
      @_xgreex_ 16 днів тому +6

      Amen brother, amen

    • @HolyNorthAmericanEmpire
      @HolyNorthAmericanEmpire 16 днів тому +2

      When germany decided to be based

    • @DigitalApex
      @DigitalApex 15 днів тому

      You mean just fuck Germany period.

    • @GTTMRC95
      @GTTMRC95 15 днів тому

      @@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire cringe HK simp

  • @Nathan-Roman
    @Nathan-Roman 16 днів тому +44

    I love the MP7 because it looks neat (I have never shot one)
    checkmate, Ian

  • @Deki_Srpska
    @Deki_Srpska 16 днів тому +46

    Gun Jesus my beloved next do a range day with the Davy Crockett

    • @philstarsick82
      @philstarsick82 16 днів тому +2

      The inspiration for Fallout's "fat man".

    • @BunkerFox
      @BunkerFox 15 днів тому +1

      Remember the Alamo

  • @xVMouseVx
    @xVMouseVx 16 днів тому +48

    "Why have a unicorn when horses are more readily available?"
    "Because it's an fing unicorn"

    • @carsoncasmirri3874
      @carsoncasmirri3874 15 днів тому +3

      That’s all well and good if you can afford a unicorn.

    • @JohnMoses1897
      @JohnMoses1897 15 днів тому

      Kinda dounds like a🌈gay argument🦄

    • @domaxltv
      @domaxltv 15 днів тому

      @@carsoncasmirri3874 Call up HK and order some unicorns then, it ain't that hard as long as you don't live in a 3rd world country that bans importing HK guns

    • @Fadaar
      @Fadaar 15 днів тому

      well if your unicorn is retarded and cant walk straight....

  • @carllinnaeus4447
    @carllinnaeus4447 16 днів тому +4

    The timing of this video and Garand Thumbs is hilarious

  • @BrassFacts
    @BrassFacts 15 днів тому +10

    Alright, fine, I'll let you shoot the tp9 next Moons Out.

  • @monty5583
    @monty5583 16 днів тому +107

    Both cost a f**ck ton of money

    • @LAHFaust
      @LAHFaust 16 днів тому +56

      Yeah, but the MP9 costs slightly less of a fuckton of money and ammo is cheaper.

    • @TheFishE77Official
      @TheFishE77Official 16 днів тому +3

      I have a really nicely set up B&T, never really cared for the MP7 truth be told.

    • @howardchambers9679
      @howardchambers9679 16 днів тому +10

      Either is an aspiration, save up your pennies and get one or bitch about it and stick with whatever cheap crap you've got. Be thankful, I'm in the uk, I don't have the option of sticking or saving up.

    • @minimaster0328
      @minimaster0328 16 днів тому +11

      ​@@howardchambers9679bro is seething, but I get it (I would be too if I was british)

    • @12345NoNamesLeft
      @12345NoNamesLeft 16 днів тому

      You deserve one.

  • @BillehBobJoe
    @BillehBobJoe 16 днів тому +21

    Ian. I don’t want a quality firearm. I want an actual dog’s turd stamped with the H&k logo. Its priceless

  • @randomguy-z2l
    @randomguy-z2l 16 днів тому +20

    Many videos of SF people saying the mp7 is shit in the field, Don shipley is one of them, many others too, multiple units left the mp7 for a 10 inch 5.56 rifle.

    • @nc_classics9767
      @nc_classics9767 13 днів тому

      Yep, stories of having to dump a whole mag into a person to reliably stop them.

    • @arm6075
      @arm6075 13 днів тому +1

      There's more armchair warriors putting words in the mouths of "SF" people than anything else.
      The anecdotes against 5.7 and 4.6 lack variety volume and searchability and are childishly cherry picked.
      Its so obvious how comparable the topic is when comparing 9 to 10mm or 45.
      The MP7 itself isn't a good platform for civilian value. That being said 5.7 has fair pros and cons vs 9mm, and is hardly anemic.

  • @beautyofthebonfire
    @beautyofthebonfire 16 днів тому +4

    I’ve loved the mp9 for years, such a visually pleasing gun to me.

  • @nichmiller4251
    @nichmiller4251 13 днів тому +2

    Ian said 'I don't even need 4 minutes to settle this crap.'

  • @Merinov
    @Merinov 15 днів тому +3

    The MP9/TMP has always been cooler

  • @Alexplainshow
    @Alexplainshow 16 днів тому +2

    It is the TMP and I am all behind it

  • @CircaSriYak
    @CircaSriYak 16 днів тому +6

    Other things worth taking a look at- like PP2000

  • @MONTANI12
    @MONTANI12 15 днів тому +1

    Ever hear of the guy who killed aliens in nothing but a Hev suit, glasses, and no words with this bad boy in eastern Europe.

  • @richardpowell4281
    @richardpowell4281 16 днів тому +10

    Next Ian is gonna tell us it's better to have an AK than a ST44 clone in a hard to find caliber 🙄

    • @ayyyyph2797
      @ayyyyph2797 15 днів тому +1

      Nah he'll probably recommend an AR instead
      DGMW AK good, but with the prices in the US as well as means to effectively mount glass you might as well save the effort and get an AR

    • @nc_classics9767
      @nc_classics9767 13 днів тому

      Ian is ready for the MP7 to be a forgotten weapon.

  • @Artha96
    @Artha96 13 днів тому +1

    "Wait, the MP7 sucks?"
    "Always has."

  • @visionaryfirearmsllc9999
    @visionaryfirearmsllc9999 16 днів тому +82

    Mac 11/9 crew here.

  • @catsackswaffle
    @catsackswaffle 14 днів тому +1

    I think the mp7, the p90, the scar, the vector, the intervetion are all really enjoyed by a particular crowd. It doesn't matter that for most of those there is a cheaper and more functional alternative. Those are the ones we remember dropping bodies with the boys with.

  • @im_organic_mojo
    @im_organic_mojo 16 днів тому +4

    Hey mp9 was the best underrated secondary in CoD mw2. It was the super sweaty S&D sniper build

  • @welporajackwelp4899
    @welporajackwelp4899 16 днів тому +10

    Man they really syncing up their critiques on the same day. RIP

  • @theroguenob
    @theroguenob 16 днів тому +3

    Reminds me of when i bought my acr in 6.8 now im waiting for a 556 barrel conversion from templar precision for almost a year. At the time (2017 feels like yesterday but still) the main piston options were mcx, scarL, bren version 1, and cmmgs stuff, seemed like a no brainer ive wanted this gun since mw2 days and its in solid caliber and i reload so it was easy at the time but 7 years later and i haven't been able to shoot it for almost 2 years from a lack of ammo. Moral of the story BUY PRACTICAL

  • @hobbstactv2571
    @hobbstactv2571 15 днів тому +2

    A couple tiny mag-in-grip PDW's thats purpose built to fire AP projectiles that i haven't seen Ian do a video on yet: The Swedish 6.5mm CBJ-MS and the Russian PP-2000 9mm.

  • @shadowrealmintern2550
    @shadowrealmintern2550 16 днів тому +6

    Shoutout to the Mauser schnellfeuer gang

  • @axmajpayne
    @axmajpayne 16 днів тому +17

    I remember when the TP9 was imported by I believe it was DSA and they cost $800, then B&T set up their own US subsidiary and started importing them themselves and the price more than doubled overnight and now they cost $2,200. As much as I love the design and would love to have one, I refuse to pay the massively overinflated price for one.

  • @danielhardy8693
    @danielhardy8693 16 днів тому +5

    Ian: What's GarandThumb up to todaaaaaaa OH HELL NO!!!!!

  • @2949stari
    @2949stari 15 днів тому +1

    TP9 is the type of the gun you eventually get like a Benelli M3 after you gave up on the SPAS 12 dream.

  • @D.UBS.
    @D.UBS. 16 днів тому +12

    The mf always rushing others base gun:

  • @Goc4ever
    @Goc4ever 16 днів тому +2

    I really liked this comparison, nicely done Ian. I like how you pointed out how there are a lot of firearms that are a better alternative to the MP7.

  • @owenbrandon8370
    @owenbrandon8370 16 днів тому +76

    last time i came this early i was paying child support

    • @griffithguns1776
      @griffithguns1776 16 днів тому +17

      Last time I read this comment was 10 minutes ago

    • @ExecuteALLdemoratsANDrinos
      @ExecuteALLdemoratsANDrinos 16 днів тому

      I saw this same comment on garand thumb like a hour ago

    • @gigachoof
      @gigachoof 16 днів тому +4

      @@griffithguns1776ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

    • @arzi2
      @arzi2 16 днів тому +6

      hold up i saw almost the same comment under today's garand thumb video on mp7, coincidance?

    • @owenbrandon8370
      @owenbrandon8370 16 днів тому +2

      @@arzi2 no lol

  • @Maracabarackabalakawaka
    @Maracabarackabalakawaka 14 днів тому +1

    Good to see Leon s Kennedy was given quality from the merchant.

  • @corentinrobin3513
    @corentinrobin3513 16 днів тому +3

    Blink twice if HK hurt you, Ian!

  • @stumpythedwarf8712
    @stumpythedwarf8712 15 днів тому

    End screen, lol. Thank you Ian.

  • @jackray1337
    @jackray1337 16 днів тому +3

    That MP9 looks like the Steyr TMP from Counter-Strike. I looked it up just now and see the MP9 is a derivative by Brügger & Thomet who bought TMP design from Steyr. The TMP was not a great weapon in Counter-Strike, but of course video games mostly mess up weapons for balance reasons.

    • @CS_Uravity_PRO
      @CS_Uravity_PRO 15 днів тому +1

      Ironically, the MP9 is the best SMG currently in CSGO/CS2

  • @michiganmafia
    @michiganmafia 15 днів тому

    Glad to see and hear about the MP9, I'd love to see a full video on it, and the TMP

  • @jamesbridges7750
    @jamesbridges7750 16 днів тому +4

    The things almost everyone misses about the 4.6 and 5.7- half the ammo weight of 9mm and 25-200 zero.

    • @georgewhitworth9742
      @georgewhitworth9742 15 днів тому +1

      I think with handguns, I doubt your rocking more then two or three mags anyway. For an actual service rifle, you want to kill/wound, not tickle to death.
      Besides, who's using the 4.6 or 5.7 at two hundred yards?? Why not just use that 5.56 your AR is using??

    • @jamesbridges7750
      @jamesbridges7750 15 днів тому +2

      ​​@@georgewhitworth9742 you're misunderstanding it- more than a pistol, not a replacement for a rifle. A lot of the poor reputation of the rounds is people either compare a 5.7pistol to a 9mm or to an AR- it wasn't designed to compare directly just fill a gap by being easier to shoot than a pistol and lighter than a rifle.

  • @nohero23
    @nohero23 15 днів тому +1

    The MP9 is based on the design of the Steyr TMP, which the Swiss bought from Steyr in 2001. This means an Austrian design won in Gun Jesus' mind over a German design. As an Austrian this makes me very happy 🙂

  • @robwilkes3351
    @robwilkes3351 16 днів тому +5

    Point of order: A pistol with a vertical foregrip but no buttstock is an AOW. Same process, different category.

    • @schlemihlrosenzweig3780
      @schlemihlrosenzweig3780 16 днів тому

      Just order it without the FG.

    • @robwilkes3351
      @robwilkes3351 16 днів тому +2

      @schlemihlrosenzweig3780 I should have time stamped it, but at one point about ¾ the way through the video Ian says something about getting the MP9 without the front grip "unless you want to register it as an SBR".

    • @grbdevnull5611
      @grbdevnull5611 15 днів тому +4

      @@robwilkes3351 The one shown has a folding stock which is probably why Ian said SBR.

    • @DoIoannToKnow
      @DoIoannToKnow 14 днів тому

      its not a vertical grip, its an angled grip

  • @banditodorito4091
    @banditodorito4091 15 днів тому +1

    I got to shot the MP7 while still serving in the Bundeswehr and i must say its amazing

  • @DallenRex
    @DallenRex 16 днів тому +10

    At 2:57 you slipped and said "4.7mm cartridge."

  • @robertgoyette5863
    @robertgoyette5863 15 днів тому +1

    i feel like a pdw in 7.5 brno would be a real game changer

  • @scrooge6975
    @scrooge6975 16 днів тому +4

    PM-63 was already PDW, even before PDW was invented.

  • @Pattern51lover
    @Pattern51lover 13 днів тому

    Glad to hear this take. Much needed.

  • @johnathanmoyer2375
    @johnathanmoyer2375 16 днів тому +17

    Yes, but the MP7 has a sliding stock and folding foregrip, so the MP7 wins under the rule of cool. It's just packaged so nicely, even if it's longer and heavier than other pistol PDWs.

    • @bitfreakazoid
      @bitfreakazoid 16 днів тому +9

      Which apparently the stock is kind of garbage.

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou 15 днів тому

      the problem is the mp7 stock keeps sliding when you use it

    • @gregkollaeg2365
      @gregkollaeg2365 14 днів тому

      Thats funny because the stock is the part that bracks all the time 🤣🤣🥰

  • @ironwolfF1
    @ironwolfF1 14 днів тому

    I've been around long enough to remember the MP9 as a (very) compact SMG offering by Steyr.
    Loved it's ascetic then, love it's refreshed version now.

  • @diluentefluvia
    @diluentefluvia 16 днів тому +7

    How are you not going to list the vz 61 skorpion at the end?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  16 днів тому +15

      Yeah, my mistake. I would unironically take a vz61 over an MP7.

    • @ianfinrir8724
      @ianfinrir8724 15 днів тому +3

      All hail the Klobb

  • @Kremit_the_Forg
    @Kremit_the_Forg 15 днів тому +1

    At this point (major guntubers hating on the MP7) I'm convinced that this is just an elaborate plan to bully HK into realeasing a semi-MP7 just out of spite

  • @justletmelistthese
    @justletmelistthese 16 днів тому +8

    9mm... what is this 1964? If want a 9mm MP I'll get me a Steyr TMP... wait a minute... it is Steyr TMP.

  • @JohnDoe-mf5sc
    @JohnDoe-mf5sc 15 днів тому

    I haven’t spent any time with mp7 or T7 but I do have a b&t TP9N (civilian MP9 SBR) and I LOVE it is light fast low recoil a truly great pdw and I love it!

  • @retiredarmyvet2018
    @retiredarmyvet2018 16 днів тому +5

    Lets not forget about all the issues the MP7 has. Grandthumb highlighted this.

    • @HowIsAsh
      @HowIsAsh 16 днів тому

      GT is a fake and a feaud

  • @Spencebot42
    @Spencebot42 14 днів тому +1

    What we really need is an updated MP9 and a version of it in 5.7

  • @juandemarko8348
    @juandemarko8348 16 днів тому +23

    Just finished the zach hazzard video on the tommybuilt civilian mp7 and for 4 thousand dollars with all the failures I would never ever get one.

    • @ryohashiba4315
      @ryohashiba4315 16 днів тому +6

      Saw zach Hazzards video then grand thumbs now ian whats going on😅

    • @WingMaster562
      @WingMaster562 16 днів тому

      Algorithm. UA-cam algorithm recommended it to them as they also watch youtube, then all collectively made a vid on their own ​@@ryohashiba4315

    • @The_Devil_Himself
      @The_Devil_Himself 16 днів тому +1

      ​@@ryohashiba4315Guntube is gonna put TommyBuilt outta business in under 48 hours

  • @BugMagnet
    @BugMagnet 15 днів тому +1

    A friend of mine who used the MP7 in the Bundeswehr loved it to bits. Though if I were to get something for plinking I would not see a reason to sell a kidney to fire unobtainium rounds through paper.
    With the outro through, the people now demand a ballistic gel comparison between the MP7 and a C96.
    It has to be done.

  • @starkparker16
    @starkparker16 16 днів тому +4

    Yeah but the ladies love the MP7. Praise Gun Jesus.

  • @Antigonus.
    @Antigonus. 16 днів тому +23

    Every advantage of the TP9 is completely outweighed by the worst trigger mankind has ever produced.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  16 днів тому +21

      Yeah, the MP9 trigger is not bad as a machine pistol trigger, but not good for a semiauto.

    • @badgerservices9665
      @badgerservices9665 16 днів тому +7

      @@ForgottenWeapons Dont you think that this small fact should have been mentioned in your presentation?

    • @monotech20.14
      @monotech20.14 16 днів тому +1

      Almost like it's mostly made for military and LE. Just like the semi auto FN SAW, that's the only reason to buy it.

    • @monotech20.14
      @monotech20.14 16 днів тому +1

      @@badgerservices9665 Both guns are are made for military and law enforcement. Even when it comes to that, the B and T which is based on the Styer design is better.

    • @DoingTheBestICan
      @DoingTheBestICan 15 днів тому +1

      Gigliotti Rifleworks has a short stroke trigger replacement for the TP9 that apparently is a night and day difference.

  • @matthewthomas3413
    @matthewthomas3413 15 днів тому +1

    You and garand thumb dropping mp7 videos on the same day.
    Coincidence? I think not!!

  • @death31313
    @death31313 16 днів тому +8

    Now... hear me out what about an MP10? I want a PDW in 10mm, the 10mm is almost the ideal pdw round in my book, especially when loaded with the really zippy lighter bullets, you practically get .30 carbine performance.

    • @michaelprather8371
      @michaelprather8371 16 днів тому +6

      H&K made a 10mm version of the MP5, don’t know if they ever sold a civilian version. Grand Power offers a 10mm Stribog. OG’s Danger Show reviewed one recently.

    • @death31313
      @death31313 16 днів тому +1

      @@michaelprather8371 yup, there's also a 10mm version of the Kriss Vector and a handfull of 10mm pccs on the market. What I really want though is a compact stocked firearm like the MP9 but chambered in 10mm. Honestly something like the B&T USW or flux raider (flux used to make a brace for large frame glocks but those are basically unobtainium) would also be amazing in 10mm, the stocked pistol concept should absolutely make a comeback but with more modern materials and engineering (and it is to some degre thanks to pistol braces)

    • @dieyproductions4403
      @dieyproductions4403 16 днів тому +2

      @@death31313 Now imagine what 9x25 mm dillon in such PDW could do, 2000 ft/sec in a pistol length barrel with Underwood 90 Xtreme Defender and 2200 ft/sec in a 10 inch barrel.

    • @death31313
      @death31313 16 днів тому +1

      @@dieyproductions4403 I like it, a large frame PDW just makes a lot of sense. If you have the extra stability of a stock, why not squeeze a little bit more performance out of the system by bumping up to a large frame the same way they did in the golden era of stocked pistols.

    • @daveb7397
      @daveb7397 16 днів тому +1

      RCM makes a 10mm MP5K sized barrel. You can build it...

  • @grbdevnull5611
    @grbdevnull5611 15 днів тому +1

    I remember back when the B&T MP9 was the Steyr TMP.

  • @Genny207
    @Genny207 16 днів тому +4

    If I had a nickel for every time Garand Thumb and Forgotten Weapons posted a video on the same subject in the same day, I'd have two nickels... Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice!

  • @billshepherd4331
    @billshepherd4331 15 днів тому

    Yes.
    I chuckled at your, this video brought to you by!

  • @ReboyGTR
    @ReboyGTR 16 днів тому +21

    *MP7: Modernized Uzi.*
    *P90: A weapon of war.*

    • @JanFWeh
      @JanFWeh 16 днів тому +1

      Didn't they end Osama with an MP7?

    • @bitfreakazoid
      @bitfreakazoid 16 днів тому +2

      It's made to KILL your enemy.

    • @wolfehoffmann2697
      @wolfehoffmann2697 16 днів тому +7

      @@JanFWeh No, but the MP7 is popular with SEALs for certain jobs and some members of the compound raid were carrying them. From accounts on the raid, the man who shot Osama was carrying an HK416.

    • @spehhhsssmarineer8961
      @spehhhsssmarineer8961 16 днів тому +4

      @@JanFWeh No, HK416.

    • @HolyNorthAmericanEmpire
      @HolyNorthAmericanEmpire 16 днів тому

      @@wolfehoffmann2697 Still HK, lol. They can't stop winning.

  • @lawrenceoflawrence9948
    @lawrenceoflawrence9948 15 днів тому

    legendary upload, love the vibe ian

  • @TheTrueNorth11
    @TheTrueNorth11 16 днів тому +5

    But if you can’t get it, it must be the best thing ever, right?