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Honestly, for the 1960s, "We got you a Beretta something and a Walther something" is pretty decent. The standards of the day went something like this: Production: "We need a Panzer IV Ausf G with skirts". Props (good day): "We got you a tank." Props (bad day): "Well.... we've got a car and lots of cardboard and twenty quid left in the budget, so..."
Bottom line: the viewing audience were not experts - even the readers - and errors in filming or even technical issues in the novels. They were thrilling entertainment! Then along comes the internet, experts etc. and we all know where this went ... 😁
@@alantheinquirer7658 You know, I really enjoyed the SAS show, they even tried to imitate the original photos, but then they shit the bed in the last episode with the "german tank".
Fun Fact: The posters of Sean Connery where the pistol's barrel is longer than usual, were shot with a Walther style airgun, because someone forgot the actual prop Walther.
Another fun fact. There used to be a guy/company that made conversion kits for that particular Walther, which would allow you to swap it over to a .22 rimfire. I ran into a fella who was selling the conversions at a gun show back in the late 90's. Weird things, and badly balanced. I can't imagine they're still around or that too many of the converted firearms still exist, except as paperweights.
There was art painted with with what looked like a Walther P38 with a very long barrel. That gun did not exist, but it looked cool in the painting. I heard rumors that someone had a a barrel built for a P38 that had an extra long barrel. It worked, but was functionally ridiculous without a stock.
The main issue with Dr No was that no one thought the movie would succeed. The studio had to beg, borrow, or steal what they they needed. That would include the weapons. Great video to watch.
@@jic1 Also the car Sunbeam Alpine was only one they could find that looked sporty, no Aston Martin at that point. In movie Commando (1985) 20 year old Sunbeam Alpine , with 100 hp engine, can keep up with equally old Porsche 911 Targa , with a 200hp engine.
What's best about this video is that they are not damning the movie for its inaccurate weapons, shooting, but celebrating how it's still entertaining and a classic.
Good topic for "Scott Prop and Roll". Directors back then often didn't take props and continuity very seriously. Back in 1962, a lot of people had been at war, so they actually noticed the gun problems more than we do now. But they also probably had a big dose of "it's a movie".
And it's ironic that this video is about all the things wrong with Dr no, yet Ian was wrong when he said Dr no is the first bond film. But it wasn't, casino royal was.
@@johnm3907Uh what? Dr. No was the first ever film featuring James Bond and it came out in 1962. The non-Eon Casino Royale didn't come out until 1967. Casino Royale was the first Bond novel, but Dr. No was the first Bond film.
Yes. What's worse is making fun of a movie for not using something that's difficult to impossible to obtain. One that comes to mind involves tanks in a WW2 movie shot in the 60s or 70s. Yeah, WW2 tanks were available but the film had large battle scenes with multiple tanks. They shot it in some country that supplied a bunch of tanks and crews in active service.
I saw Dr. No as a small child...and had noticed some of the guns changing scene to scene but thought I must have been imagining it. Thank you very much for the clarification...and i feel better now knowing I wasn't totally crazy as a kid.
Weird ive had a similar experience with a little walther p22 that had a lint gunk gumming up the sear disconnect. It was a mag dumper in need of cleaning.
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I got mine cerakoted. That's right, it was plated like a glass brick.
As a former heavy truck mechanic, my favorite stretch was in (I think) A View to a Kill when Timothy Dalton does a wheely with a tandem trailer truck. All eight of the drive wheels stay on the ground and the truck frame pivots up on its Hendrickson walking beam suspension. After seeing that, I just silently vowed to thereafter suspend all disbelief with Bond films. This came in handy years later when Pierce Brosnan and Michelle Yeoh in Tomorrow Never Dies are being chased down an alley by a helicopter with its nose pointing at the ground. Gravity and force vectors got the royal bird flipped at them on that one!
I've not been following the films for as long as you, but I _do_ remember yelling "Oh fuck off!" at the TV when Bond shoots down a helicopter, at night, while on a boat, with his PPk in _Spectre._ God that was an abysmal movie.
The wheelie was dumb but the Bond edition KW truck was sharp looking. I thought that paint scheme would look even better in black and gold. I don't remember how many of them they made but you could actually buy the Bond edition truck. I think you got every option that came in the V.I.T. package and a few more.
@@AJadedLizardand then when he runs out of ammo he just casually tosses the pistol away. Christ. Doesn't matter what mindset he's in, it's still Her Majesty's property. Worse, it's the second fucking movie he does that in!
Now, Bond's "hold the wrist" like that *was* a commonly taught technique of the era, right along side the "lay the strong side forearm across the weak side forearm as a rest" was common and official.
For pistols. I still practiced "teacup and saucer" even as a gun person when I was a kid. For anyone just getting into the hobby, modern gun theory is to create tension. Basically push the gun forward with the arm holding the grip and pull with the other hand in front of the first. The dynamic tension is for recoil control. Because in real-world scenarios, you never down a target with one shot, so you expect to have to control recoil and follow up. Aka "don't stop shooting until the bad guy stop moving".
I remember, from decades ago, getting a box of 1/35 Tamiya infantry, and the box art showed an officer firinig a P-08 Luger in a two-handed grip, with the left hand under the butt of the Luger supporting it, with both arms bent, and neither arm braced on anything; it looked like the absolutely worst possible shooting grip you could take, and the only reason I could think of for posing the figure that way was to make it take up less space on the montage of the various figures shown on the box. It goes to show how artistic decisions can jerk over proper use of a weapon.
I think a lot of the old techniques were designed for revolvers where you could blow your fingers off on the non-shooting hand if they are in the wrong place, so some techniques put that hand further back.
Speaking of changes the film makers made to the early James Bond movies that were an improvement over the novels, the biggest for me was that Goldfinger wasn't ACTUALLY going to steal the gold from Fort Knox, but instead contaminate it for 100 years with a dirty atomic bomb, thereby making his gold more valuable. Brilliant!
Except that in the economic chaos and panic after a nuclear explosion in a populated region of the U.S., would there be any demand for gold at all? People might be more interested in hording food and antibiotics than bullion.
You forgot the bad guys on the boat trying to flush out Bond & co. from where they're hiding on the beach by strafing the sand with a Bren Gun... and the Bren's magazine is very clearly loaded into the gun backwards.
On casting, according to Fleming, when writing the character, he envisaged Hoaghy Carmichael. When it came to making the film, he wanted David Niven. He also apparently promised his cousin, Christopher Lee, that he'd recommend him for the Dr No Villain role...and apparently completely forgot about it 😂😂 Incidentally, Christopher Lee's war time secret service record was even more impressive than Flemings....Connery was no slouch either on the action front. He once tangled with a bona fide Mafia enforcer, Johnny Stompanato, who was dating Hollywood actress Lana Turner. In 1957 Stompanato visited Turner in London, where she was filming Another Time, Another Place, co-starring Connery. Stompanato became suspicious when Turner would not allow him to visit the set and, during one fight, he violently choked her. To avoid further confrontation, Turner and her makeup artist, Del Armstrong, called Scotland Yard in order to have Stompanato deported. Stompanato got wind of the plan and showed up on the set with a gun, threatening her and Connery. Connery answered by grabbing the gun out of Stompanato's hand and twisting his wrist, causing him to run off the set. Turner and Armstrong later returned with two Scotland Yard detectives to the rented house where she and Stompanato were staying. The detectives advised Stompanato to leave and escorted him out of the house and to the airport, where he boarded a plane back to the U.S.
And Niven did get to play Bond in the '67 comedy version of Casino Royale plus Lee did get to play a Bond villain so It could be said both were fulfilled just not the way initially intended.
And the finale for Stompanato came from Lana Turner's daughter who stabbed him to death protecting her mother from his beating...it was ruled as justifiable homicide.
Connery was considered too big for the role. Back Then steroids weren't commonly available. Connery was a bodybuilder, and many thought he was freakishly muscled. But his excellent accent and physical threat won over the casting crew.
@@KevinJDildonik The bit I always found implausible about Bond was that he was supposed to be a 'Secret' agent, yet the first thing he does is tell a room full of strangers his REAL NAME 😂😂 And often drives the MOST CONSPICUOUS CAR available 😂😂😂😂
@@thechancellor3715 Correct. Ironically I'd read up about Johnny a few months ago, and then at the weekend saw LA Confidential, in which he's briefly shown as a police informer...Kudos to Lana's girl though. He was a class A scum-bag.
Ian Fleming: *Writes Bond using a Beretta 418 in .25 acp* Boothroyd: *Writes Fleming telling him to get rid of that sissy pistol and get a real gun in the Walther PPK in .32 acp*
Bond's use of the PPK came from a fan letter Fleming received suggesting the PPK would be more suitable for Bond's line of work. Fleming named Boothroyd after the fan.
And yet the film launched an enormously successful franchise. Now, image if the fe.ale lead was spoken of as buxom and the camera showed a flat chest. Kind of shows the relative importance of gats and boobs in film.
Well, technically Boothroyd never recommended the PPK, that was a decision Fleming made after Boothroyd criticized the Beretta. Bond could’ve had a very different handgun! All covered in our book! 📖
My favorite quote regarding the PPK is from Goldeneye: "Walter PPK, 7.65 millimeter. Only three men I know use such a gun. I believe I've killed two of them."
@@asathomas84there’s a deleted scene where he can recognise a gun by the sound of how it is cocked. ua-cam.com/video/WCva_GslcxE/v-deo.htmlsi=XphuKmkXlW_SHOVw
I recently dropped a comment about that on another clip on YT saying "How long would you have to work in the Russian/Soviet mob to recognize a pistol simply by the hammer being thumbed back?" Thought it was pretty clever until another guy pointed out that Zhukovsky had worked for the KGB for years before becoming a gangster, so I stood slightly and humbly corrected! But yeah, that is a GREAT moment in the series and Robbie Coltrane, late and great, stole every scene he had in the series.
James Bond obviously knew there were more rounds left in the gun. He was using super secret, psychological warfare, reverse psychology on the assassin. It's a bit like Obi Wan's "these are not the droids you're looking for".
If I remember correctly, Fleming used a berreta in the books because it was his side arm during the war. There was a firearms expert called major boothroyd who sent him a letter complaining about his choice of firearm. He said it was a gun for a lady and not a nice lady at that. The major suggested that bond use the walther ppk and Fleming agreed to change it. Major Bothroyd is also the name of Q in the books.
These little pocket pistols are so...goofy. Having him carry a Hi Power would make _much_ more sense, but historically Bond only ever occasionally does so, which is a shame because it's probably his most practical sidearm, after his modern usage of the P99 and P226.
@@johnanon6938 I imagine the books had titles like "That fruity little Italian pistol makes you look like a British Cigarette" and "That fruity little Italian pistol STILL makes you look like a British Cigarette". Not really, but it sounds funny.
Found an interview somewhere on UA-cam with Boothroyd about his interaction with Fleming. He actually wanted Bond to carry a Revolver - they settled on the Walther! I think it was part of the promotional for the film Dr. No.
It's a little bit like all those WWII movies where the Wehrmacht is equipped with M-48 tanks and the fighter aircraft are all T6s, only with different markings... While getting appropriate tanks and aircraft may be quite difficult, getting mass-produced guns like the Beretta or Walther definitely isn't...
Yeah, particularly when they are actively in production at the time of filming. The early Bond films were even before Britain's crackdown on private gun ownership, too, so it was even easier to get ahold of stuff like that
@@DjDolHaus86Ah yes, the “MIG 28s” used by the (not) Iranians in that movie always made me chuckle. At least in Maverick they used CGI SU 57 models, even if they did just call them “next gen fighters”
Plenty of WW2 movies of the day where the Wehrmacht & SS used Browning 30 & 50 cals as standins for MG34 & 42 - plus almost every German solider had an MP40!
@@unlimitedricepudding7826 Ahh that's who they were supposed to be. I haven't seen the film in a long time and couldn't remember which nation they were supposed to be but I remember it was intentionally unspecific
I have a coworker who''s a big Star Trek fan and he said that while watching the blu rays of Next Generation on his big TV you can actually notice actors in the background of scenes on the bridge kinda zoning out during what are suppose to be tense scenes because it's the 7th take and it's not like anybody watching is going to notice on their 27 inch CRT TV in the living room where their mom yells at them if they get too close.
@@jrobson100 I remember when local TV switched to HD in the early 2000s. It was a big deal because you could see every inperfection in the newscasters faces. They had to completely change how they applied makeup. before it was too low rez to even tell.
Very entertaining. The audio has the acoustics of a hotel bathroom, but the content itself gave me a big smile. This film was probably the first time I learned that guns *could* jam and is effectively the first taste I had of firearms safety.
I have fired the model of Beretta mentioned in the movie, and it may be because the gun was older and maybe tired mechanically, but it went like M said. I fired two rounds, jam, clear jam, fire, jam... Reload fresh magazine, a refurbished magazine, fire 1 round, jam, clear, fire 3, jams again. The only other pistol that ever gave me that much grief was a Beretta .22 Would have loved to try a PPK, maybe in the future.
Just my 2 cents. I've put quite a few rounds through PPK's and never had a single jam. Very nice little firearms but you better make sure you don't have big hands and if you do keep the web of your thumb very very clear of the slide, it will bite a chunk out of your hand. A mistake you only make once, lol.
Bond gun was originally skeletonized his gun for concealment, aka removing the grips. Neat idea from Fleming, but also a nightmare for reliability. Skeletonized guns are much better as a weapon of last resort. Like this is a suicide mission and if you draw you're dead, so here's half a gun, try to take some of them out if you can.
I'm into electronics, there it is even worse in movies. Wrong radios at wrong frequencies without antennas, oscilloscopes with signals that have no function, walls with useless blinking lights without any label, once they placed a scope upside down. Cars is also funny, like damage that miraculous disappears between scenes etc. So thanks, now I have something else to look for too in movies 🙂
I've been into computer since I was like 10, and work in IT. Pretty much any scene in anything involving computers makes me cringe and have done so for over 30 years.
Foley gets it wrong too. Every firearm sounds the same in any environment, the wrong sound for planes (the movie Airplane purposely does it for those in the know) and the sound of horse hooves are the same on every surface.
@@orlock20 If you've ever played the original Time Crisis you'll hear an interesting aversion whenever you shoot. Your gun's report will sound different depending on if you're indoors in tight quarters, in a larger indoor area, or outdoors. Didn't carry over to other games, and your enemies' sounds didn't change with the environment, but it's a nice polished facet from the original.
Oh God. And computers! Have you seen those overblown hacking scenes with ramped up music and a video game GUI? Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhrrrggggggggg!!
With how much fun Ian seemed to be having with the P99's decocker in the other recent video, I'm sure we'd see him point out its use in Casino Royale haha
Reminds me of that line from Die Hard 2 about the Glock “7”. You know the “Porcelain” gun made in “Germany” that gets through metal detectors and cost more than a cop makes in a month (hopefully that last part is not true lol).
If Glock were more adept at marketing, they'd have already made it- like a Franklin Mint commemorative plate, something to hang on your wall for people to look quizzically at.
While I don’t disagree with that, I think that line was beneficial to Glocks marketing. There was no internet back then, and someone couldn’t just casually research it. However, I’m sure many people who wanted to buy their first gun ended up asking gun store employees whether or not that was true, and ended up being introduced to Glocks.
@@tomgarrett7740Several guns and outdoors magazines were published and sold everywhere. I had advanced gun knowledge pre-internet and I'm not even from the US.
Fun fact: The speargun that Bond uses to impale a baddy onto a tree in Dr No is a La Spirotechnique Jaguar. The company and speargun were developed by Jacques Cousteau, and the guns were usually pressurised from 12-14 ft/lbs.
I LOVE this vid !!!!!! I've read Fleming's bond novels at least six times and seen the movies many times. I can't get enough of Bond. This gives another angle. THANK YOUUUUU
7:54 Funnily enough, Dent’s 1917 does lock open in his hand after ventilating the blanket. But then, when Bond feigns ignorance, and Dent starts to slowly pull the blanket with the gun towards himself, the 1917 is closed, to preserve the intrigue, I guess. Yet another gun mistake.
@@CallOfCutie69 Probably! But I bet the masses of replies to the video will either have a few new things missed, or act as a solid confirmation that they've done a thorough job! (also, you typo'd it - it's not got the slide locked back on the blanket)
Regarding big men with small guns, I think that Sydney Green Street holding his pocket pistol in Maltese Falcon looks very sinister. This is a fun nerdy video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Not just Dr. No, but in other films as well. The .22LR AR-7 is chambered in .25 ACP for Bond in From Russia With Love. STILL really, cool, though. The movies are always a fun time! I still think that Goldfinger is my favorite. 🙂
What I ‘heard’ was that Q-Branch made the AR-7 a .25cal. But that would have been a really dumb thing for them to do as I am pretty sure the .22LR is a better ‘snipers’ rifle option than the .25ACP. I’m guessing that since 25 is bigger than 22 the movie ppl thought it would sound more lethal… or so such nonsense.
@@garthdyland.6258 There are .25-caliber rifle cartridges which would be reasonably effective (certainly better than .22 LR), but an AR-7 is too small and lightweight to be rechambered for any of them.
The switching of pistols during a scene discussion reminds me of the bar gunfight of Indy's revolver switching to the 1911 and back to the revolver . 007 was one of the inspirations for Indy.
Indeed! Though Indy gets a bit more forgiveness! It was a Hi-Power, and deleted footage shows him wearing a shoulder holster in the bar scene underneath his jacket that held that pistol. Unfortunately with editing, we miss the draw stroke, holster, and reloads!
@@liambrooks2330 : Well, in 1962 Ursula Andress was a realy impressive Beauty. Perhaps 20 years ago i watched a german language movie from Switzerland ( i am german) , was surprised how sexy she looked even with perhaps over 60. Sidenote: I am Brittas boyfriend, only using her Computer too. Born 1965, so basicly an old fart/ sac. Now i see female Beauty different than fourty years ago. Slim Body? Big tits? No! Nice welldressed ladies are now my taste.
0:45 fun fact, while its not a true bond film there was a english spy comedy called Where the Bullets Fly(making fun of Where Bullets Fly) in which the spy's Beretta .25 jams. This is referring to the moment from the books which resulted in Bond being issued the PPK.
To be fair, there _is_ a Korean CIA too, modeled on ours. They're usually called the KCIA, and it would be understood "CIA" referred to the original successor organization to the OSS. The line is awkward for anyone in the intelligence world, but it's probably for the audience's benefit, written at a time when people didn't know as much about the organization.
Fleming was issued in WWII, a Browning .25, the serial number matches a Colt 1908, however it could have been a FN 1906, .25 with a matching serial number . The gun became a part of Fleming's estate. Note : Fleming possibly snuck it out of the office, just as Bond tried to sneak out with his beloved Beretta, under M watchful eye ...
Very cool video! I'm a GenX Brit who grew up on James Bond, and now spent much of my adult life in the US as an avid gun owner and shooter. I think I have looked for Walther PPKs as rental guns at every range I've been to simply because it's stuck in my memory. And the very few times I've found one I've noticed it looks nothing like "the gun Bond uses". Well, now I know!!
Silly in the scenarios where it's played, but you can absolutely get precise with that. I wondered if cowboy repeater quick-draw people were real and tried it myself. I could reliably hit a soda can at 10 yards from the hip, if I kept my practice up. For threatening a guy who's in the same room, that's plenty.
@@KevinJDildonik A bunch of guys like Fairburn and Applegate often suggested it, it makes it way harder for a dude to lunge at your gun in close quarters.
Wow, listening to Caleb discussing this with Ian I'm now doubly glad I supported this book on Kickstarter. Great combination of enthusiasm and expertise. This book is going to be great!
Glad that you mad this video Ian. After going through the IMFDB page of _Dr. No,_ I found it hilarious that every gun mentioned by name is not the same as the one shown on screen.
Boothroyd is in fact named after a fan who wrote Ian Fleming a letter explaining that the PPK would be a better fit for Bond's line of work instead of the Beretta he had been using.
Geoffrey Boothroyd was a firearms expert with several books on firearms to his name. Search YT for the video "The Guns of James Bond" came out in 1964 and he clearly says Ian picked the PPK, also some other very interesting info including what he thought of Eugene Stoner's lightweight survival rifle (sorry not AR-15).
Ironically in the book Dr. No, Bond doesn't even use the PPK. Boothroyd offers him the PPK and a revolver (can't remember what) and Bond actually chooses the revolver. Later on in the book when they're facing the "dragon" the revolver get gunked up with mud and Bond realizes he made the wrong choice.
Boothrroyd also issued Bond a S&W Airweight. He said to keep down on size and weight it only holds 5 rounds --- but by the time they're gone, somebodys been killed. By the way, The Boothroyd character is inspired by Geoffrey Boothroyd, a real life firearms expert who gave Fleming firearm advice.
The .38 didn't jam, it was just ineffective against the dragon's armour and heavy tires. He was given both guns to evaluate by Boothroyd in M's office, Bond chooses the revolver over the PPK in his hotel room prior to leaving for Dr No's island. His reasoning was that the more powerful gun will be more useful if he has to engage a target at any significant distance. He includes a sarcastic comment about .38 Special being ineffective against armour plate in his encoded report back to M, knowing that M will chastise him for taking up precious coded transmission bandwidth just because he's still annoyed at having his Beretta confiscated.
Some sidenotes from West Germany. Uniformed german policemen had PPs sometimes up to 1982/ 83. From late 70s into 1990s civilian dressed police officers, especially female ones sometimes still had been armed with PPK in 7,65/ .32. The reason: Compact or subcompact 9mm Luger pistols had been non existing/ being rare, so in some kind of dress, or at summer, a PPK was easier to hide/ conceal. PPKs had then also in german Bundeswehr been used. By pilots, and soldiers in civilian dress ( Military Police, miltary intelligence, couriers and socalled Wallmeister, as far as i know). In 1950s/ 1960s female detectives, small number, but in contrast to 1920s to 1940s regular detectives, had been armed only with 6,35/.25 pistols, at very first sometimes only with 8mm blankpistols, firing teargas cartidges.
East Germany had the Makarov. A soviet 9.2mm version of the Walther. The Makarov has had a renaissance lately, but basically - the Walther has 40+ parts, the Makarov closer to 23. The Makarov can be field stripped and cleaned with zero tools. You can literally just pull back and lift the slide for daily maintenance. So Walther-style guns really were common for all sorts of police and agents at the time, and it is a fine choice for Bond.
Mostly because the PP was designed originally as a police pistol and the PPK as the police pistol f0r undercover police. their wartime service was largely due to availability.
The PPk saw use during the War as well, it was an acceptable sidearm for all branches alongside the P.38 and was also given out to loyal members of the Party (being used in one of history's most famous uninstalls as a result). It's not a terrible CCW but I wouldn't want it to be my main duty gun, either as a cop or wet work specialist. Never understood why Bond didn't carry a detective-model Hi Power: low profile, reliable, accurate, and a 13 round magazine.
LOL, when I was a kid I first saw this in TV. I asked my dad why they kept changing guns. He looked at me and grinned he was surprised. All these years I thought I was wrong!
You may _think_ you’re a gun nerd, but you’ve obviously got nothing on these Yank super-anal gun obsessives! Truly, they take gun-nuttery to another level of obsession - which is probably part of the reason why they’re shooting themselves, each other, school kids, neighbours, people in convenience stores, politicians, cops and vice versa in huge numbers. Funny guys. Me, I just watch the movie (which is almost as good as From Russia With Love, in my sincere opinion.)
11:05 This has me wondering if, since the movie was released in the early 60s, they intentionally messed up the guns that badly, under the assumption that Soviet intelligence agents would be required to watch it and try to draw conclusions from it.
@@jeffreyqimiriqpik2025 Sure, but clearly in this case, gun is multiple other guns that are never exactly that gun. And there are definitely crazier stories from the cold war.
Interesting to hear about these gun errors. For me the really obvious 007 gun oops is the air pistol used in a promo shoot for From Russia With Love. But at least it was a Walther.
Working in film, I know that things get lost in the enormous amount of details you have to prep for. On one, they added a shot that took them a few hours across the border. Last minute, the armorer realised he was lacking some legal paper for crossing, so I gave them an old airsoft I had - a S&W instead of a Beretta, not really the same color. Worked, and nobody has ever commented on it.
Being a gunsmith causes me to have a critical eye for gun mistakes in entertainment...and there are a LOT. ( my personal all time hated pet peeve is how a person will pull a slide back on an automatic ( with no round getting ejected, empty or live ), after they have already been stalking someone for awhile, or just to show they really mean business. )
My favorite is when they ALWAYS cock hammers on handguns. Every. Single. Time. I know that in real life it isn't completely pointless (makes it easier to pull the trigger), but in movies they do it for a different reason. Also, I guess some people may not know that single action handguns haven't been used in well over a hundred years.
Really enjoying this. One thing my dad and i always shared was 007. He picked his cellphone number back in the day as 0070. Dr. No was his favorite for the bedroom scene
Ordered the kickstarter! Went immediately to the deluxe option since Bond is Bond (and the dust jacket design is so good)! Oh, having mark Hazard's book, nothing here is a shock. I just love the collab between " gun jesus" and caleb!
Considering quite a few Roger Moore bond film had PPK Stovepiping in closeup shots, i feel like the PPK was just absolutely ollocks at shooting blanks and cycling back then.
Love this! I grew up watching all the classic Bond films, but never really noticed these errors. Now I want to go back and re-watch them all and pay attention to these details. Thanks Ian!
When I first got a 1911, I took my cousin to the range and said "hey, want to shoot James Bond's Walther PPK from Dr. No?" I knew he wouldn't get the joke until I explained it, but it was still fun for me.
I think I remember watching Dr. No as a kid and kinda being interested in firearms and noticing some of the firearm oddities. Like the line about the assassin having a Smith&Wesson while it clearly being a 1911. I think I rationalized it at the time that maybe S&W had made some 1911's during WW2 and Bond was psyching the guy out about how many rounds the gun held. I think I kinda remember the weird switcheroo between the Walther, 1911, and Hi-Power. I think I had figured it as being really bad continuity that they had to reshoot the scenes and had been sloppy (or forced to change) with which guns they armed Bond with and just spliced together with different guns..
You guys don't understand, this is James Bond we're talking about. Q gave him a new sidearm that was a technical marvel, as it could transform into whatever kind of gun he needed at the time. If he needed more stopping power it transformed into a .45 1911. If he was running low on ammo he could transform it into a Hi-Power. And for better concealment or to fit a silencer it could also transform into a Walther or FN. By contrast his old Beretta could only transform into another Beretta. As for the assassin, it started out as a Smith & Wesson, but then he accidentally transformed it into a 1911... and it jammed.
Interesting discussion of all the gun 'failures' in the video. However, and this is a completely different discussion, are the amazing guns that were done 100% correctly in the movie. And those guns belonged to Ursula Andress. To quote another international man of mystery, Mr. Austin Powers, "I like a woman of that caliber."
Get this: that was supposed to be a folding AR-18 with an extending barrel, but we never got to see it do its Hotchkiss trick because that was, apparently, a bit unrealistic for a Bond movie. "Unrealistic for a James Bond film" may be the six most useless words in all of cinema.
The only one I noticed when watching the original film was that the professor's gun was not locked back and therefore not empty. One director always said when things like this were pointed out on set; 'The sillies (audience) won't notice!'
The vodka order is also made clear in the books, Bond is an alcoholic. The drink is shaken so it's served fast and cold, so he can get back to the gambling.
I recently watched doctor no with my wife. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. I didn't notice that the walther was a pp however I noticed The inconsistency of of the guns in the film. I would love a video of the bond guns from the novels. Because If I remember correctly that he carried a hammerless 38 revolver for a period in the early books.
I knew about the 1911 in the dragon scene (noticed that as a teenager watching it on TV in the early eighties) but I never noticed the browning hi power! Useless fact I've learnt today! Lol 😂 *Still love the movie!
Fun fact: that happens in UK Received Pronunciation when one word ends with an A and the next word starts with one. It's why, for example, BBC car-show presenters say "Honda Civic", but "Honder Accord". Without that "again" there, M would have pronounced it normally, as he does later in the scene, when he tells Bond to, "Just leave the Beretta."
I'm not an expert on firearms but I noticed that Bond had a FN Browning in that scene and I wasn't aware that there was a "six-shot" Smith and Wesson automatic. It's pretty interesting, but I'm also reminded of something Mark Hamill said to Harrison Ford about the scene in Star Wars where they come out of the trash compactor. Hamill was afraid that people would notice his hair wasn't wet in the scene, but Ford reminded him they wouldn't notice. The truth is I'm sure most people didn't notice, or even care. If you're more focused on the plot and the action then you can get away with small details that might be off center.
@@joshuaprietophoto and many others with bigger budgets did far worse. The Soviet sniper rifle in the Manchurian Candidate that's a Japanese Carbine.And the long ljst of errors in The Comancheros.
The 1960s wasn't quite so glutted with a wide variety of firearms as today. Americans still tended to have more guns than anyone else, but nowhere near the number available today. Finding the right weapon for a movie could often depend on luck and, without Internet back them, locating specific weapons meant writing letters, making phone calls, talking to auction houses or asking someone's friend what souvenirs he brought back from the war and hoping they had what you wanted. If you ran out of time before acquiring the weapon, all you could do was substitute and hope the thing worked on screen. Remember Star Wars IV used MG 43s, Lugers and mausers with bits soldered, screwed or welded on because there were thousands of them going cheap in '76 as they were mass produced for WW2 and sold off in batches to studios and weapons specialists in the entertainment industry because it cost less than storing them in arsenals.
@@obi-ron Yes, prop houses, especially in the US have so much more available. However Dr No was shot at Pinewood in England and on location in Jamaica and were far fewer guns available to film with plus they had a tiny budget.
I worked in the "Fantasy Factory" for a while. Right from Day one it was very clear that we were doing "art" (and politics) Scripts were written by old blokes who were "technologically" locked into the 1950s and '60s. Not the REAL era, but the "fantasy" / screen one. Everything was "art, imitating "art. Speaking of Walther PPs, one of my earliest jobs was to set up a blank-firing PP in 380. Not wanting to actually "butcher" a nice, original gun, by running a thread for a restrictor into the real, almost pristine barrel, I removed the factory barrel and turned up a replacement from decent bar stock. That the PP barrel is essentially a parallel- turning job, pinned into the frame, made this a simple task.. Ammo? Less so. The "script" called for ONE shot to be seen actually fired on camera. I had loading dies for .380, and a special "nose" former / crimper to form the "bullet" shape on the blank, to retain the powder and guide the round" into the chamber. Brass? A quick browse of the books and some quick doodling later, and we were away. . .38 Special brass was close enough in body diameter , . The rim was turned off in a dinky lathe and an extractor groove cut in a dozen or so cases. Then, the somewhat long cases were trimmed to a guesstimated length aand "the "bullet formed, to provide "function-test" dummies. This process chewed through a few cases as the "trials" continued, but a "final recipe" was achieved and the next stage was approached: How much and what type of powder? . Basically, a "scaled-back" load as used in .38 Spl revolverswas a good starting point. The bogus barrel had a threaded-in plug as "standard" practice. The "art" types anted more "smoke" after a "field demonstration, so a "duplex" load of fast pistol powder an a couple of granules of Pyrodex fixed that. The Pyrodex does two things. I produces "smoke" AND it generates an extended-duration "muzzle flash". Both are important in the Fantasy Factory, but the extended-duration flash is needed because of the "exposure time on the cameras. If you have a bright,but short-duration, Murphy's Law will e sure that the camera "shutter", especially when working with REAL film cameras like Arri 35 BLs, will be CLOSED. This is the second reason, after the more obvious "legal" one, why a "gas-burner" machine guns are used in a LOT of productions . The idea is to have a piece of kit that looks like a machine gun but is completely NOT a firearm, except in the benighted place which have "appearance" laws, and oddly enough, a limited production of "action" movies. A flammable gas is piped into the "barrel". At the muzzle is an "igniter" that fires off the gas, via a bit of electronics that synchronize the "flash" with the opening of the camera shutter. Nowadays, the "creatives use CGI to "paint in" muzzle flash and all manner of "effects", to varying degrees of success. Smoke and Mirrors were just the start. "
@@ken481959 Don't forget Peter Sellers, William Holden, Ursula Andress in the 1967 version which was best one too. Yes I know I'm in the minority and some people will argue oh but its a parody. On the other hand most fans won't recall the first 1954 version OP mentions which was made for TV by Ian Fleming, so there is that.
Ian Fleming is the one who wrote in the .32 ACP. I think the movie overstated its power, though, but assassins did shoot people in the head with .22 pistols. Major Boothroyd put on the expert’s voice. ‘As a matter of fact, sir,’ he said modestly, ‘I’ve just been testing most of the small automatics. Five thousand rounds each at twenty-five yards. Of all of them, I’d choose the Walther PPK 7.65 mm. It only came fourth after the Japanese M-14, the Russian Tokarev and the Sauer M-38. But I like its light trigger pull and the extension spur of the magazine gives a grip that should suit 007. It’s a real stopping gun. Of course it’s about a .32 calibre as compared with the Beretta’s .25, but I wouldn’t recommend anything lighter. And you can get ammunition for the Walther anywhere in the world. That gives it an edge on the Japanese and the Russian guns.’ M. turned to Bond. ‘Any comments?’ ‘It’s a good gun, sir,’ Bond admitted. ‘Bit more bulky than the Beretta. How does the Armourer suggest I carry it?’
So the story behind the supressor is as follows, as this has been told by the weapon advisor for the movie. This story was told in an old Discovery Channel docu called something like "Searching for the Real James Bond". Because the thread to screw on a supressor was so thin (and short), the weapon advisor decided to put a rod on the supressor so it could go into the barrel. Fun fact about that dvisor, he was in the SAS in WW2 and he was part of the vengeance squad that hunted for Nazxi's responsible for the massacre of SAS men in the Vosges Mountains during operation Loyton.
Though it was easy to get a suppressed barrel for the FN1910 as you could just install the long barrel of the FN1922 in the 1910. The protruding barrel gave plenty of length to add threads. Not that it's all that easy to add threads to a gun barrel that is generally heat treated to the highest hardness. The walther's barrel was, by comparison, fixed.
That's an interesting nugget of information. I dunno if it will ever have any practical use. But, I feel at least a tiny bit smarter for knowing it. Much appreciated.
@@thepenultimateninja5797 is the chamber ever hardened to prevent damage from the intense deflagration? I was pondering to myself a few years ago about the extreme engineering problems of using high explosives as the propellant. From what I understand detonation intrinsically likes to liberate metal off the chamber, sort of like how cavitation's favourite hobby is nibbling propellers. Is there an alloy hard enough to survive surface denotation while being far too pompous to ever crack under pressure?
Great talk, I heard about Walther PP/PPK misrepresentation long ago, but this was eye-opening. But I also laugh so hard when I noticed you used polish cover of "Spy who loved me" at 12:08 - I think I still have that somewhere in the house!
I think the real question is what are Caleb’s thoughts on the N64 Goldeneye pause screen music. Objectively the hardest anyone has ever gone for a pause screen.
In a case of nature (almost) imitating art, in 1974 the Walther PPK carried by Princess Anne's bodyguard jammed during a kidnap attempt. The bodyguard, driver, and two police officers who happened to be first at the scene were shot and injured by the would-be kidnapper. After that the weapon was withdrawn from service by the Metropolitan Police Diplomatic Protection Team. Despite this however, it has remained in use by at least some UK Special Forces. The kidnapper was captured when an unarmed passer-by (who just happened to be an ex-boxer) ran forward and punched him in the head, before disarming him and leading the Royals to safety.
Yes! This led to Bond being unable to carry the PPK during the Gardner era of books, and added some interesting guns to the Bond canon - this story, its impact on Bond, and his guns, is all covered in our book!
I grew up with Dalton and rewatched them all with my Dad multiple, multiple times. Brosnan and Connery are by far the best Bonds. So many little bits Brosnan did were improv.
I had never watched the old ones from the 20th century and after I watched the spy who loved me in March I started watching them all. I only have a few more left to watch
@@cardboardcapeii4286 "The Spy Who Loved Me" was the first Bond I ever saw, aged 10 in 1990. It's still my favourite. As a kid I was all about the gadgets, so the Lotus Esprit blew my mind. And, even at such an early age I was quite taken with Barbara Bach aka Agent XXX. Glad you're enjoying the Bond films!
@@afd19850 The Moore Era was too slap stick. One villain flew up the roof and exploded while making a deflating balloon sound. Bond was literally in a clown costume, defusing a nuke. I really enjoyed Moon Raker, but it jumps the shark into orbit. That said, any of those were better than SPECTRE or Quantum Of Solace.
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I know, its hilarious.
This video just made me spend almost $600 on Kickstarter. $250 on the Cinematic Collector’s Edition and the rest on Small Arms of WWII: USA & Soviet Union editions, and Rifles on The Danube.
Damn you!!!
That kid wasn't even born when first Bond films were made.😉
FN: "I'm the gun playing the gun disguised as another gun!"
😂good morning sir
I'm a gun disguised as a gun playing another gun!
Dude!
I think I may be nobody…
As long as you never go full hi power.
Honestly, for the 1960s, "We got you a Beretta something and a Walther something" is pretty decent. The standards of the day went something like this:
Production: "We need a Panzer IV Ausf G with skirts".
Props (good day): "We got you a tank."
Props (bad day): "Well.... we've got a car and lots of cardboard and twenty quid left in the budget, so..."
Ah yes, the glorious days of M-47 tanks standing in for fucking everything.
@@FirstMetalHamster And M3 half tracks playing every German half track with various amounts of wood to hide their shape.
Bottom line: the viewing audience were not experts - even the readers - and errors in filming or even technical issues in the novels. They were thrilling entertainment!
Then along comes the internet, experts etc. and we all know where this went ... 😁
@@KX36 Also hogan's heroes with the M7 Priest as Tiger.
@@alantheinquirer7658 You know, I really enjoyed the SAS show, they even tried to imitate the original photos, but then they shit the bed in the last episode with the "german tank".
Fun Fact: The posters of Sean Connery where the pistol's barrel is longer than usual, were shot with a Walther style airgun, because someone forgot the actual prop Walther.
Walther LP-53
Shore Leave explaining this and Brock being absolutely devastated is one of my favourite scenes from Venture Bros.
Another fun fact. There used to be a guy/company that made conversion kits for that particular Walther, which would allow you to swap it over to a .22 rimfire. I ran into a fella who was selling the conversions at a gun show back in the late 90's. Weird things, and badly balanced. I can't imagine they're still around or that too many of the converted firearms still exist, except as paperweights.
Thought to make it look bigger, badder
There was art painted with with what looked like a Walther P38 with a very long barrel. That gun did not exist, but it looked cool in the painting. I heard rumors that someone had a a barrel built for a P38 that had an extra long barrel. It worked, but was functionally ridiculous without a stock.
The main issue with Dr No was that no one thought the movie would succeed. The studio had to beg, borrow, or steal what they they needed. That would include the weapons. Great video to watch.
They didn't even have a product placement for the Rolex Submariner, it was Cubby Broccoli's personal watch, straight off his wrist.
@@jic1 Also the car Sunbeam Alpine was only one they could find that looked sporty, no Aston Martin at that point.
In movie Commando (1985) 20 year old Sunbeam Alpine , with 100 hp engine, can keep up with equally old Porsche 911 Targa , with a 200hp engine.
What's best about this video is that they are not damning the movie for its inaccurate weapons, shooting, but celebrating how it's still entertaining and a classic.
Good topic for "Scott Prop and Roll". Directors back then often didn't take props and continuity very seriously. Back in 1962, a lot of people had been at war, so they actually noticed the gun problems more than we do now. But they also probably had a big dose of "it's a movie".
And it's ironic that this video is about all the things wrong with Dr no, yet Ian was wrong when he said Dr no is the first bond film. But it wasn't, casino royal was.
@@johnm3907Uh what? Dr. No was the first ever film featuring James Bond and it came out in 1962. The non-Eon Casino Royale didn't come out until 1967. Casino Royale was the first Bond novel, but Dr. No was the first Bond film.
@its_clean casino royale came out in 54. Was an hour long film made for TV. Not the one in 60s.
Yes. What's worse is making fun of a movie for not using something that's difficult to impossible to obtain. One that comes to mind involves tanks in a WW2 movie shot in the 60s or 70s. Yeah, WW2 tanks were available but the film had large battle scenes with multiple tanks. They shot it in some country that supplied a bunch of tanks and crews in active service.
I saw Dr. No as a small child...and had noticed some of the guns changing scene to scene but thought I must have been imagining it. Thank you very much for the clarification...and i feel better now knowing I wasn't totally crazy as a kid.
You still may have been, just not about this ;)
I feel like if you paid attention to that as a kid, you were halfway there.
@@Yupppismall child... so obsessively focused on the guns that he's noticing minutiae only a gun nerd would care about while watching a Bond film. 😂
@@ButterfatFarmsHaHa. That would be me. 😂😂😂
@@Bullzeye1000yds Your name checks out. It's okay we can't all be normal somebody has to be that kid! There's far worse things to be obsessive about 😂
I once experienced a slam-fire from a Berettta 418 with a cosmoline caked-up firing pin. I was shaken, but not stirred...😏
Getting that effect from a Martini-Henry is sadly impossible.
Not funnypenny .
I see what you did there!
Weird ive had a similar experience with a little walther p22 that had a lint gunk gumming up the sear disconnect. It was a mag dumper in need of cleaning.
I got mine cerakoted. That's right, it was plated like a glass brick.
As a former heavy truck mechanic, my favorite stretch was in (I think) A View to a Kill when Timothy Dalton does a wheely with a tandem trailer truck. All eight of the drive wheels stay on the ground and the truck frame pivots up on its Hendrickson walking beam suspension. After seeing that, I just silently vowed to thereafter suspend all disbelief with Bond films. This came in handy years later when Pierce Brosnan and Michelle Yeoh in Tomorrow Never Dies are being chased down an alley by a helicopter with its nose pointing at the ground. Gravity and force vectors got the royal bird flipped at them on that one!
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I've not been following the films for as long as you, but I _do_ remember yelling "Oh fuck off!" at the TV when Bond shoots down a helicopter, at night, while on a boat, with his PPk in _Spectre._ God that was an abysmal movie.
The wheelie was dumb but the Bond edition KW truck was sharp looking.
I thought that paint scheme would look even better in black and gold.
I don't remember how many of them they made but you could actually buy the Bond edition truck.
I think you got every option that came in the V.I.T. package and a few more.
@@AJadedLizardand then when he runs out of ammo he just casually tosses the pistol away. Christ. Doesn't matter what mindset he's in, it's still Her Majesty's property. Worse, it's the second fucking movie he does that in!
That helicopter scene was my retirement moment with James bond !
Now, Bond's "hold the wrist" like that *was* a commonly taught technique of the era, right along side the "lay the strong side forearm across the weak side forearm as a rest" was common and official.
For pistols. I still practiced "teacup and saucer" even as a gun person when I was a kid. For anyone just getting into the hobby, modern gun theory is to create tension. Basically push the gun forward with the arm holding the grip and pull with the other hand in front of the first. The dynamic tension is for recoil control. Because in real-world scenarios, you never down a target with one shot, so you expect to have to control recoil and follow up. Aka "don't stop shooting until the bad guy stop moving".
I remember, from decades ago, getting a box of 1/35 Tamiya infantry, and the box art showed an officer firinig a P-08 Luger in a two-handed grip, with the left hand under the butt of the Luger supporting it, with both arms bent, and neither arm braced on anything; it looked like the absolutely worst possible shooting grip you could take, and the only reason I could think of for posing the figure that way was to make it take up less space on the montage of the various figures shown on the box. It goes to show how artistic decisions can jerk over proper use of a weapon.
Agree. As a NCO in the Belgian Army in the 80'S, that's how we were told to shoot the Browning Hi-power.
@@KevinJDildonikWow, that is a really sweeping change in tactical doctrine. Very interesting.
I think a lot of the old techniques were designed for revolvers where you could blow your fingers off on the non-shooting hand if they are in the wrong place, so some techniques put that hand further back.
Speaking of changes the film makers made to the early James Bond movies that were an improvement over the novels, the biggest for me was that Goldfinger wasn't ACTUALLY going to steal the gold from Fort Knox, but instead contaminate it for 100 years with a dirty atomic bomb, thereby making his gold more valuable. Brilliant!
Definitely one of the finest additions to the franchise, and a fitting one to point out, as today marks 60 years of GOLDFINGER!
At least Ft. Knox still had the gold even if it was contaminated. Now we don't even know if it's even there in real life.
I find no improvements over the novels in any of the films.
Except that in the economic chaos and panic after a nuclear explosion in a populated region of the U.S., would there be any demand for gold at all? People might be more interested in hording food and antibiotics than bullion.
@@bertroost1675 IN general, I agree.
You forgot the bad guys on the boat trying to flush out Bond & co. from where they're hiding on the beach by strafing the sand with a Bren Gun... and the Bren's magazine is very clearly loaded into the gun backwards.
clearly it was a Bren made by H&K
It just works better that way
Naval version.
Obviously they knew that the blunt end of the bullets hurts more.
@@TheRogueWolf After all a bullet wound is considered "Blunt-force Trauma"
On casting, according to Fleming, when writing the character, he envisaged Hoaghy Carmichael. When it came to making the film, he wanted David Niven. He also apparently promised his cousin, Christopher Lee, that he'd recommend him for the Dr No Villain role...and apparently completely forgot about it 😂😂 Incidentally, Christopher Lee's war time secret service record was even more impressive than Flemings....Connery was no slouch either on the action front. He once tangled with a bona fide Mafia enforcer, Johnny Stompanato, who was dating Hollywood actress Lana Turner. In 1957 Stompanato visited Turner in London, where she was filming Another Time, Another Place, co-starring Connery. Stompanato became suspicious when Turner would not allow him to visit the set and, during one fight, he violently choked her. To avoid further confrontation, Turner and her makeup artist, Del Armstrong, called Scotland Yard in order to have Stompanato deported. Stompanato got wind of the plan and showed up on the set with a gun, threatening her and Connery. Connery answered by grabbing the gun out of Stompanato's hand and twisting his wrist, causing him to run off the set. Turner and Armstrong later returned with two Scotland Yard detectives to the rented house where she and Stompanato were staying. The detectives advised Stompanato to leave and escorted him out of the house and to the airport, where he boarded a plane back to the U.S.
And Niven did get to play Bond in the '67 comedy version of Casino Royale plus Lee did get to play a Bond villain so It could be said both were fulfilled just not the way initially intended.
And the finale for Stompanato came from Lana Turner's daughter who stabbed him to death protecting her mother from his beating...it was ruled as justifiable homicide.
Connery was considered too big for the role. Back Then steroids weren't commonly available. Connery was a bodybuilder, and many thought he was freakishly muscled. But his excellent accent and physical threat won over the casting crew.
@@KevinJDildonik The bit I always found implausible about Bond was that he was supposed to be a 'Secret' agent, yet the first thing he does is tell a room full of strangers his REAL NAME 😂😂 And often drives the MOST CONSPICUOUS CAR available 😂😂😂😂
@@thechancellor3715 Correct. Ironically I'd read up about Johnny a few months ago, and then at the weekend saw LA Confidential, in which he's briefly shown as a police informer...Kudos to Lana's girl though. He was a class A scum-bag.
Ian Fleming: *Writes Bond using a Beretta 418 in .25 acp*
Boothroyd: *Writes Fleming telling him to get rid of that sissy pistol and get a real gun in the Walther PPK in .32 acp*
I understood that reference.
"Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel-plated sissy pistol."
Bond's use of the PPK came from a fan letter Fleming received suggesting the PPK would be more suitable for Bond's line of work. Fleming named Boothroyd after the fan.
And yet the film launched an enormously successful franchise. Now, image if the fe.ale lead was spoken of as buxom and the camera showed a flat chest. Kind of shows the relative importance of gats and boobs in film.
I understood that US Marshals reference.
Well, technically Boothroyd never recommended the PPK, that was a decision Fleming made after Boothroyd criticized the Beretta. Bond could’ve had a very different handgun! All covered in our book! 📖
My favorite quote regarding the PPK is from Goldeneye: "Walter PPK, 7.65 millimeter. Only three men I know use such a gun. I believe I've killed two of them."
And somehow Zukovsky states all this with his back turned to Bond and the PPK.
@@asathomas84 Because, in the immortal words of RATM: He knows his enemy.
@@asathomas84there’s a deleted scene where he can recognise a gun by the sound of how it is cocked. ua-cam.com/video/WCva_GslcxE/v-deo.htmlsi=XphuKmkXlW_SHOVw
@@InAMinMaths Ah, that makes more sense ... even if it's a little far fetched.
I recently dropped a comment about that on another clip on YT saying "How long would you have to work in the Russian/Soviet mob to recognize a pistol simply by the hammer being thumbed back?" Thought it was pretty clever until another guy pointed out that Zhukovsky had worked for the KGB for years before becoming a gangster, so I stood slightly and humbly corrected! But yeah, that is a GREAT moment in the series and Robbie Coltrane, late and great, stole every scene he had in the series.
James Bond obviously knew there were more rounds left in the gun. He was using super secret, psychological warfare, reverse psychology on the assassin. It's a bit like Obi Wan's "these are not the droids you're looking for".
"Did I fire 6 shots, or only 5?"
@@jimmyrustler8983I’m not a punk, so do I have to feel lucky or not?
@@Justanotherconsumer I think so.
If I remember correctly, Fleming used a berreta in the books because it was his side arm during the war. There was a firearms expert called major boothroyd who sent him a letter complaining about his choice of firearm. He said it was a gun for a lady and not a nice lady at that. The major suggested that bond use the walther ppk and Fleming agreed to change it. Major Bothroyd is also the name of Q in the books.
Geoffrey Boothroyd was also an author with a number of books on firearms.
These little pocket pistols are so...goofy.
Having him carry a Hi Power would make _much_ more sense, but historically Bond only ever occasionally does so, which is a shame because it's probably his most practical sidearm, after his modern usage of the P99 and P226.
@@johnanon6938 I imagine the books had titles like "That fruity little Italian pistol makes you look like a British Cigarette" and "That fruity little Italian pistol STILL makes you look like a British Cigarette".
Not really, but it sounds funny.
Found an interview somewhere on UA-cam with Boothroyd about his interaction with Fleming. He actually wanted Bond to carry a Revolver - they settled on the Walther! I think it was part of the promotional for the film Dr. No.
it is said the Flemming had a Baby Browning. but he could also have used the Berreta .
It's a little bit like all those WWII movies where the Wehrmacht is equipped with M-48 tanks and the fighter aircraft are all T6s, only with different markings...
While getting appropriate tanks and aircraft may be quite difficult, getting mass-produced guns like the Beretta or Walther definitely isn't...
Yeah, particularly when they are actively in production at the time of filming. The early Bond films were even before Britain's crackdown on private gun ownership, too, so it was even easier to get ahold of stuff like that
Or the enemy in Top Gun flying Northrop F5's
@@DjDolHaus86Ah yes, the “MIG 28s” used by the (not) Iranians in that movie always made me chuckle. At least in Maverick they used CGI SU 57 models, even if they did just call them “next gen fighters”
Plenty of WW2 movies of the day where the Wehrmacht & SS used Browning 30 & 50 cals as standins for MG34 & 42 - plus almost every German solider had an MP40!
@@unlimitedricepudding7826 Ahh that's who they were supposed to be. I haven't seen the film in a long time and couldn't remember which nation they were supposed to be but I remember it was intentionally unspecific
"No one will notice, it's not as if they have the ability to pause the film..."
Also, if you wanted to see a scene again, you either had to wait inside the theatre, or pay to return the next day.
Nice pfp
I have a coworker who''s a big Star Trek fan and he said that while watching the blu rays of Next Generation on his big TV you can actually notice actors in the background of scenes on the bridge kinda zoning out during what are suppose to be tense scenes because it's the 7th take and it's not like anybody watching is going to notice on their 27 inch CRT TV in the living room where their mom yells at them if they get too close.
@@jrobson100 I remember when local TV switched to HD in the early 2000s. It was a big deal because you could see every inperfection in the newscasters faces. They had to completely change how they applied makeup. before it was too low rez to even tell.
in the 1960s there were no such things as VHS , so you could NOT pause a film.
Oh God, no. You can't just hand someone Walther's P P! That's indecent!
Walthuuuh put your PP away!
Traditionally you have to buy them dinner first.
It is certainly not 'k.
Very entertaining. The audio has the acoustics of a hotel bathroom, but the content itself gave me a big smile. This film was probably the first time I learned that guns *could* jam and is effectively the first taste I had of firearms safety.
I have fired the model of Beretta mentioned in the movie, and it may be because the gun was older and maybe tired mechanically, but it went like M said. I fired two rounds, jam, clear jam, fire, jam... Reload fresh magazine, a refurbished magazine, fire 1 round, jam, clear, fire 3, jams again.
The only other pistol that ever gave me that much grief was a Beretta .22
Would have loved to try a PPK, maybe in the future.
They behaved that way on the Camp Perry range too. :)
Just my 2 cents. I've put quite a few rounds through PPK's and never had a single jam. Very nice little firearms but you better make sure you don't have big hands and if you do keep the web of your thumb very very clear of the slide, it will bite a chunk out of your hand. A mistake you only make once, lol.
Bond gun was originally skeletonized his gun for concealment, aka removing the grips. Neat idea from Fleming, but also a nightmare for reliability. Skeletonized guns are much better as a weapon of last resort. Like this is a suicide mission and if you draw you're dead, so here's half a gun, try to take some of them out if you can.
Did you feel like Bond when you did it :)
@@mikgus No I felt like i was handed a defective pop gun. Thing even feels fragile.
The FN was obviously the PP's stunt double.
I believe Bond tried to steal back the Beretta before leaving M's office, so it appears Bond doesn't always use the gun he's been told to use. ;)
Guns of John Matrix during the raid on Val Verde needs a review video ! 🙏🏻
🤣🤣🤣 "let off some steam, bennet!"
Yes, please. It's totally ridiculous,but one of my favorite movies.
Great video.. As a husband that drives my wife insane with pointing out firearm inaccuracies in movies and TVs. This has inspired me...
I'm into electronics, there it is even worse in movies. Wrong radios at wrong frequencies without antennas, oscilloscopes with signals that have no function, walls with useless blinking lights without any label, once they placed a scope upside down. Cars is also funny, like damage that miraculous disappears between scenes etc. So thanks, now I have something else to look for too in movies 🙂
I've been into computer since I was like 10, and work in IT. Pretty much any scene in anything involving computers makes me cringe and have done so for over 30 years.
Foley gets it wrong too. Every firearm sounds the same in any environment, the wrong sound for planes (the movie Airplane purposely does it for those in the know) and the sound of horse hooves are the same on every surface.
@@orlock20 And knives and fists do not make the sounds you here in movies. Many sounds are added later in production.
@@orlock20 If you've ever played the original Time Crisis you'll hear an interesting aversion whenever you shoot. Your gun's report will sound different depending on if you're indoors in tight quarters, in a larger indoor area, or outdoors. Didn't carry over to other games, and your enemies' sounds didn't change with the environment, but it's a nice polished facet from the original.
Oh God. And computers! Have you seen those overblown hacking scenes with ramped up music and a video game GUI? Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhrrrggggggggg!!
I would love to see you two go through all the bond films like this.
With how much fun Ian seemed to be having with the P99's decocker in the other recent video, I'm sure we'd see him point out its use in Casino Royale haha
Reminds me of that line from Die Hard 2 about the Glock “7”. You know the “Porcelain” gun made in “Germany” that gets through metal detectors and cost more than a cop makes in a month (hopefully that last part is not true lol).
If Glock were more adept at marketing, they'd have already made it- like a Franklin Mint commemorative plate, something to hang on your wall for people to look quizzically at.
That was part of the anti-gun propaganda being not so subtly inserted into every Hollywood production since the 60s.
While I don’t disagree with that, I think that line was beneficial to Glocks marketing. There was no internet back then, and someone couldn’t just casually research it. However, I’m sure many people who wanted to buy their first gun ended up asking gun store employees whether or not that was true, and ended up being introduced to Glocks.
@@restey5979 Its die hard, I don't think its that deep. It really seems like it was just included because it was cool
@@tomgarrett7740Several guns and outdoors magazines were published and sold everywhere. I had advanced gun knowledge pre-internet and I'm not even from the US.
Fun fact: The speargun that Bond uses to impale a baddy onto a tree in Dr No is a La Spirotechnique Jaguar. The company and speargun were developed by Jacques Cousteau, and the guns were usually pressurised from 12-14 ft/lbs.
That happens in thunderball
2 of my favorite things, James Bond and Forgotten Weapons
I LOVE this vid !!!!!! I've read Fleming's bond novels at least six times and seen the movies many times. I can't get enough of Bond. This gives another angle. THANK YOUUUUU
This was way more interesting than I thought it was going to be at first. Thanks.
7:54
Funnily enough, Dent’s 1917 does lock open in his hand after ventilating the blanket. But then, when Bond feigns ignorance, and Dent starts to slowly pull the blanket with the gun towards himself, the 1917 is closed, to preserve the intrigue, I guess. Yet another gun mistake.
This video is a genius way for the author to get more stuff for the book!
@@NigelTolley I’m sure he knows that without my comment
@@CallOfCutie69 Probably! But I bet the masses of replies to the video will either have a few new things missed, or act as a solid confirmation that they've done a thorough job! (also, you typo'd it - it's not got the slide locked back on the blanket)
Just got done with a bond movie escapade. Perfect timing Ian!
Regarding big men with small guns, I think that Sydney Green Street holding his pocket pistol in Maltese Falcon looks very sinister.
This is a fun nerdy video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Not just Dr. No, but in other films as well. The .22LR AR-7 is chambered in .25 ACP for Bond in From Russia With Love. STILL really, cool, though. The movies are always a fun time! I still think that Goldfinger is my favorite. 🙂
Thought Q just improved it
It's also described as a "folding sniper's rifle", when it is demonstrably not two of those things, and only barely the third. :)
What I ‘heard’ was that Q-Branch made the AR-7 a .25cal. But that would have been a really dumb thing for them to do as I am pretty sure the .22LR is a better ‘snipers’ rifle option than the .25ACP.
I’m guessing that since 25 is bigger than 22 the movie ppl thought it would sound more lethal… or so such nonsense.
@@garthdyland.6258 There are .25-caliber rifle cartridges which would be reasonably effective (certainly better than .22 LR), but an AR-7 is too small and lightweight to be rechambered for any of them.
The switching of pistols during a scene discussion reminds me of the bar gunfight of Indy's revolver switching to the 1911 and back to the revolver . 007 was one of the inspirations for Indy.
Indeed! Though Indy gets a bit more forgiveness! It was a Hi-Power, and deleted footage shows him wearing a shoulder holster in the bar scene underneath his jacket that held that pistol. Unfortunately with editing, we miss the draw stroke, holster, and reloads!
We didn't notice the gun mishaps because of Ursala
Ursula - from latin Ursus ( Bear) , in Switzerland, where Ursula Andreas comes from, Urs is in german part a common mens name.
@@brittakriep2938 Thanks for the history, I was just thinking of a hot blonde lady in a little bikini
@@liambrooks2330 : Well, in 1962 Ursula Andress was a realy impressive Beauty. Perhaps 20 years ago i watched a german language movie from Switzerland ( i am german) , was surprised how sexy she looked even with perhaps over 60. Sidenote: I am Brittas boyfriend, only using her Computer too. Born 1965, so basicly an old fart/ sac. Now i see female Beauty different than fourty years ago. Slim Body? Big tits? No! Nice welldressed ladies are now my taste.
There were guns? 😂
Yes, they were on Ursula 😂
0:45 fun fact, while its not a true bond film there was a english spy comedy called Where the Bullets Fly(making fun of Where Bullets Fly) in which the spy's Beretta .25 jams. This is referring to the moment from the books which resulted in Bond being issued the PPK.
I always enjoy your videos. The audio in this one wasn't up to your usual standard.
"The American CIA swear by them"
Good that he distinguished that, we wouldn't want to get them confused with the Non American CIAs.
Wouldn't want to get confused with the Cardiff International Arena in Wales.
Or the Culinary Institute of America
To be fair, there _is_ a Korean CIA too, modeled on ours. They're usually called the KCIA, and it would be understood "CIA" referred to the original successor organization to the OSS.
The line is awkward for anyone in the intelligence world, but it's probably for the audience's benefit, written at a time when people didn't know as much about the organization.
And also in fairness, the book was written in 1958, movie comes out in 1962. The CIA wasn't exactly a well known entity at the time.
The CIA are just the specific Yanks he was talking about, that's a minor distinction.
Fleming was issued in WWII, a Browning .25, the serial number matches a Colt 1908, however it could have been a FN 1906, .25 with a matching serial number . The gun became a part of Fleming's estate. Note : Fleming possibly snuck it out of the office, just as Bond tried to sneak out with his beloved Beretta, under M watchful eye ...
Very cool video! I'm a GenX Brit who grew up on James Bond, and now spent much of my adult life in the US as an avid gun owner and shooter. I think I have looked for Walther PPKs as rental guns at every range I've been to simply because it's stuck in my memory. And the very few times I've found one I've noticed it looks nothing like "the gun Bond uses". Well, now I know!!
*holds gun level with floor, single hand at waist height*
We meet again, Mr McCollum. Let me tell you about my plan so you may foil it.
Silly in the scenarios where it's played, but you can absolutely get precise with that. I wondered if cowboy repeater quick-draw people were real and tried it myself. I could reliably hit a soda can at 10 yards from the hip, if I kept my practice up. For threatening a guy who's in the same room, that's plenty.
@@KevinJDildonik A bunch of guys like Fairburn and Applegate often suggested it, it makes it way harder for a dude to lunge at your gun in close quarters.
Wow, listening to Caleb discussing this with Ian I'm now doubly glad I supported this book on Kickstarter. Great combination of enthusiasm and expertise. This book is going to be great!
Glad that you mad this video Ian.
After going through the IMFDB page of _Dr. No,_ I found it hilarious that every gun mentioned by name is not the same as the one shown on screen.
Neat info! Little side note. I carried a Walther PP Super while in Germany. They were made for Kripo Polizei only. It was definitely my favorite.
Boothroyd is in fact named after a fan who wrote Ian Fleming a letter explaining that the PPK would be a better fit for Bond's line of work instead of the Beretta he had been using.
He is! But Boothroyd never recommended the PPK! He had other ideas!
Geoffrey Boothroyd was a firearms expert with several books on firearms to his name. Search YT for the video "The Guns of James Bond" came out in 1964 and he clearly says Ian picked the PPK, also some other very interesting info including what he thought of Eugene Stoner's lightweight survival rifle (sorry not AR-15).
Ironically in the book Dr. No, Bond doesn't even use the PPK. Boothroyd offers him the PPK and a revolver (can't remember what) and Bond actually chooses the revolver. Later on in the book when they're facing the "dragon" the revolver get gunked up with mud and Bond realizes he made the wrong choice.
Boothrroyd also issued Bond a S&W Airweight. He said to keep down on size and weight it only holds 5 rounds --- but by the time they're gone, somebodys been killed. By the way, The Boothroyd character is inspired by Geoffrey Boothroyd, a real life firearms expert who gave Fleming firearm advice.
The revolver getting jammed from the mud would mean the semi would get one shot off if a concealed hammer, and probably none if not!
Actually, he shot out the lights and fired at the tires, but the bullets did no damage to the tires. I just read the book a week ago.
The .38 didn't jam, it was just ineffective against the dragon's armour and heavy tires. He was given both guns to evaluate by Boothroyd in M's office, Bond chooses the revolver over the PPK in his hotel room prior to leaving for Dr No's island. His reasoning was that the more powerful gun will be more useful if he has to engage a target at any significant distance. He includes a sarcastic comment about .38 Special being ineffective against armour plate in his encoded report back to M, knowing that M will chastise him for taking up precious coded transmission bandwidth just because he's still annoyed at having his Beretta confiscated.
Some sidenotes from West Germany. Uniformed german policemen had PPs sometimes up to 1982/ 83. From late 70s into 1990s civilian dressed police officers, especially female ones sometimes still had been armed with PPK in 7,65/ .32. The reason: Compact or subcompact 9mm Luger pistols had been non existing/ being rare, so in some kind of dress, or at summer, a PPK was easier to hide/ conceal. PPKs had then also in german Bundeswehr been used. By pilots, and soldiers in civilian dress ( Military Police, miltary intelligence, couriers and socalled Wallmeister, as far as i know). In 1950s/ 1960s female detectives, small number, but in contrast to 1920s to 1940s regular detectives, had been armed only with 6,35/.25 pistols, at very first sometimes only with 8mm blankpistols, firing teargas cartidges.
East Germany had the Makarov. A soviet 9.2mm version of the Walther. The Makarov has had a renaissance lately, but basically - the Walther has 40+ parts, the Makarov closer to 23. The Makarov can be field stripped and cleaned with zero tools. You can literally just pull back and lift the slide for daily maintenance. So Walther-style guns really were common for all sorts of police and agents at the time, and it is a fine choice for Bond.
The Wallmeister - if that Highway bridge needs to become a rubble heap by noon...
Mostly because the PP was designed originally as a police pistol and the PPK as the police pistol f0r undercover police. their wartime service was largely due to availability.
The PPk saw use during the War as well, it was an acceptable sidearm for all branches alongside the P.38 and was also given out to loyal members of the Party (being used in one of history's most famous uninstalls as a result). It's not a terrible CCW but I wouldn't want it to be my main duty gun, either as a cop or wet work specialist. Never understood why Bond didn't carry a detective-model Hi Power: low profile, reliable, accurate, and a 13 round magazine.
LOL, when I was a kid I first saw this in TV. I asked my dad why they kept changing guns. He looked at me and grinned he was surprised. All these years I thought I was wrong!
I'm a gun nerd, but I watched this movie decades ago and I completely ignored all this stuff.
Nothing wrong with that at all!
You may _think_ you’re a gun nerd, but you’ve obviously got nothing on these Yank super-anal gun obsessives! Truly, they take gun-nuttery to another level of obsession - which is probably part of the reason why they’re shooting themselves, each other, school kids, neighbours, people in convenience stores, politicians, cops and vice versa in huge numbers. Funny guys.
Me, I just watch the movie (which is almost as good as From Russia With Love, in my sincere opinion.)
Y’all’s appearance on Art & War was such a fun show. So glad to hear both of y’all on with those guys. And Caleb for the second time!
11:05 This has me wondering if, since the movie was released in the early 60s, they intentionally messed up the guns that badly, under the assumption that Soviet intelligence agents would be required to watch it and try to draw conclusions from it.
You think the Soviets couldn't read the Ian Flemming books? Or get a hold of any firearm they wanted?
Why would the Soviets care? Gun is gun
That’s a good theory but like buddy said gun is gun
@@jeffreyqimiriqpik2025 Sure, but clearly in this case, gun is multiple other guns that are never exactly that gun. And there are definitely crazier stories from the cold war.
Interesting to hear about these gun errors. For me the really obvious 007 gun oops is the air pistol used in a promo shoot for From Russia With Love. But at least it was a Walther.
Working in film, I know that things get lost in the enormous amount of details you have to prep for.
On one, they added a shot that took them a few hours across the border. Last minute, the armorer realised he was lacking some legal paper for crossing, so I gave them an old airsoft I had - a S&W instead of a Beretta, not really the same color.
Worked, and nobody has ever commented on it.
Great timing. I just finished listening to the Art and War Podcast with these two gentlemen.
Being a gunsmith causes me to have a critical eye for gun mistakes in entertainment...and there are a LOT. ( my personal all time hated pet peeve is how a person will pull a slide back on an automatic ( with no round getting ejected, empty or live ), after they have already been stalking someone for awhile, or just to show they really mean business. )
Same thing with pump shotguns.
My favorite is when they ALWAYS cock hammers on handguns. Every. Single. Time.
I know that in real life it isn't completely pointless (makes it easier to pull the trigger), but in movies they do it for a different reason. Also, I guess some people may not know that single action handguns haven't been used in well over a hundred years.
Really enjoying this. One thing my dad and i always shared was 007. He picked his cellphone number back in the day as 0070. Dr. No was his favorite for the bedroom scene
12:30 When I notice that the gun switches mid-scene, it makes me wonder what happened to the other one
Ordered the kickstarter! Went immediately to the deluxe option since Bond is Bond (and the dust jacket design is so good)! Oh, having mark Hazard's book, nothing here is a shock. I just love the collab between " gun jesus" and caleb!
He didn’t spend 5 years at negative medical school to be criticized by future computer man. Thank you very much.
😂
I’d say nein years, not merely five.
Such an Evil comment
these two have a great cadence together. really well paced conversation
That FN pistol is the equivalent to:
"I'm a dude, playing a dude, disguiiiiiised as another dude!"
8:20 - Supposedly in this scene the gun was originally going to be an S&W revolver, but was changed or not procured in time, I forget the details.
And bond shot back 6 times but was edited
"A Colt 1911. Seven's unlucky for some." *THWACK*
@@RRVCrinaleor, it’s a 45, and you’ve had your eight, if they wanted to mostly keep the original phrasing (and account for plus one in the chamber).
Considering quite a few Roger Moore bond film had PPK Stovepiping in closeup shots, i feel like the PPK was just absolutely ollocks at shooting blanks and cycling back then.
Love this! I grew up watching all the classic Bond films, but never really noticed these errors. Now I want to go back and re-watch them all and pay attention to these details. Thanks Ian!
Fun vehicle fact, that's not actually a jeep masquerading as a tank masquerading as a dragon, it's a bunch of snowcats taped together.
When I first got a 1911, I took my cousin to the range and said "hey, want to shoot James Bond's Walther PPK from Dr. No?" I knew he wouldn't get the joke until I explained it, but it was still fun for me.
I hope you didn’t quit your day job for comedy.
This was fun to watch. Nice shirt, by the way, Ian.
I think I remember watching Dr. No as a kid and kinda being interested in firearms and noticing some of the firearm oddities. Like the line about the assassin having a Smith&Wesson while it clearly being a 1911. I think I rationalized it at the time that maybe S&W had made some 1911's during WW2 and Bond was psyching the guy out about how many rounds the gun held. I think I kinda remember the weird switcheroo between the Walther, 1911, and Hi-Power. I think I had figured it as being really bad continuity that they had to reshoot the scenes and had been sloppy (or forced to change) with which guns they armed Bond with and just spliced together with different guns..
You guys don't understand, this is James Bond we're talking about. Q gave him a new sidearm that was a technical marvel, as it could transform into whatever kind of gun he needed at the time. If he needed more stopping power it transformed into a .45 1911. If he was running low on ammo he could transform it into a Hi-Power. And for better concealment or to fit a silencer it could also transform into a Walther or FN. By contrast his old Beretta could only transform into another Beretta.
As for the assassin, it started out as a Smith & Wesson, but then he accidentally transformed it into a 1911... and it jammed.
Very nice to have seen the movie several times and been member of a shooting club but never having noticed the gun errors.
Interesting discussion of all the gun 'failures' in the video. However, and this is a completely different discussion, are the amazing guns that were done 100% correctly in the movie. And those guns belonged to Ursula Andress. To quote another international man of mystery, Mr. Austin Powers, "I like a woman of that caliber."
Got in on the Kickstarter. Looking forward to getting it.
The Handguard-less AR-18 from the opening sequence of Tomorrow Never Dies has always stuck out to me
Get this: that was supposed to be a folding AR-18 with an extending barrel, but we never got to see it do its Hotchkiss trick because that was, apparently, a bit unrealistic for a Bond movie.
"Unrealistic for a James Bond film" may be the six most useless words in all of cinema.
@@RRVCrinale Yep, the IMFDB page for the film has a bunch of great info on the neat folding AR-18.
Yeah, and the handguard-less AR-15s from the opening of "Escape from New York". 😬
The only one I noticed when watching the original film was that the professor's gun was not locked back and therefore not empty.
One director always said when things like this were pointed out on set; 'The sillies (audience) won't notice!'
I don’t see any martinis being mentioned, the best firearm accessory
The vodka order is also made clear in the books, Bond is an alcoholic. The drink is shaken so it's served fast and cold, so he can get back to the gambling.
I thought the Martini was a rifle?
@@KevinJDildonik To be fair, if you had his job, you'd probably be an alcoholic too.
I recently watched doctor no with my wife. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. I didn't notice that the walther was a pp however I noticed The inconsistency of of the guns in the film. I would love a video of the bond guns from the novels. Because If I remember correctly that he carried a hammerless 38 revolver for a period in the early books.
I knew about the 1911 in the dragon scene (noticed that as a teenager watching it on TV in the early eighties) but I never noticed the browning hi power! Useless fact I've learnt today! Lol 😂
*Still love the movie!
I love Ian's loud shirt. It's loud in unexpected ways - like the orange gun patterns!
"That damned Beretter again."
Fun fact: that happens in UK Received Pronunciation when one word ends with an A and the next word starts with one. It's why, for example, BBC car-show presenters say "Honda Civic", but "Honder Accord". Without that "again" there, M would have pronounced it normally, as he does later in the scene, when he tells Bond to, "Just leave the Beretta."
The "...and you've had your six." line is still arguably the best line Bond ever says, despite it obviously not being a Smith.
Absolutely iconic.
The only thing I really need to know is, where Ian buys his shirts.
Third row, lower shelf right next to the shower curtains.
I'm not an expert on firearms but I noticed that Bond had a FN Browning in that scene and I wasn't aware that there was a "six-shot" Smith and Wesson automatic. It's pretty interesting, but I'm also reminded of something Mark Hamill said to Harrison Ford about the scene in Star Wars where they come out of the trash compactor. Hamill was afraid that people would notice his hair wasn't wet in the scene, but Ford reminded him they wouldn't notice. The truth is I'm sure most people didn't notice, or even care. If you're more focused on the plot and the action then you can get away with small details that might be off center.
This is a 1962 movie made eight years before the invention of the videocassette. Stand in guns were good enough when no one was going to hit pause.
Other film makers managed to future proof their movies better
@@joshuaprietophoto and many others with bigger budgets did far worse. The Soviet sniper rifle in the Manchurian Candidate that's a Japanese Carbine.And the long ljst of errors in The Comancheros.
The 1960s wasn't quite so glutted with a wide variety of firearms as today. Americans still tended to have more guns than anyone else, but nowhere near the number available today. Finding the right weapon for a movie could often depend on luck and, without Internet back them, locating specific weapons meant writing letters, making phone calls, talking to auction houses or asking someone's friend what souvenirs he brought back from the war and hoping they had what you wanted. If you ran out of time before acquiring the weapon, all you could do was substitute and hope the thing worked on screen.
Remember Star Wars IV used MG 43s, Lugers and mausers with bits soldered, screwed or welded on because there were thousands of them going cheap in '76 as they were mass produced for WW2 and sold off in batches to studios and weapons specialists in the entertainment industry because it cost less than storing them in arsenals.
@@obi-ron Yes, prop houses, especially in the US have so much more available. However Dr No was shot at Pinewood in England and on location in Jamaica and were far fewer guns available to film with plus they had a tiny budget.
I worked in the "Fantasy Factory" for a while.
Right from Day one it was very clear that we were doing "art" (and politics)
Scripts were written by old blokes who were "technologically" locked into the 1950s and '60s. Not the REAL era, but the "fantasy" / screen one. Everything was "art, imitating "art.
Speaking of Walther PPs, one of my earliest jobs was to set up a blank-firing PP in 380.
Not wanting to actually "butcher" a nice, original gun, by running a thread for a restrictor into the real, almost pristine barrel, I removed the factory barrel and turned up a replacement from decent bar stock. That the PP barrel is essentially a parallel- turning job, pinned into the frame, made this a simple task..
Ammo? Less so. The "script" called for ONE shot to be seen actually fired on camera. I had loading dies for .380, and a special "nose" former / crimper to form the "bullet" shape on the blank, to retain the powder and guide the round" into the chamber. Brass?
A quick browse of the books and some quick doodling later, and we were away. . .38 Special brass was close enough in body diameter , . The rim was turned off in a dinky lathe and an extractor groove cut in a dozen or so cases. Then, the somewhat long cases were trimmed to a guesstimated length aand "the "bullet formed, to provide "function-test" dummies. This process chewed through a few cases as the "trials" continued, but a "final recipe" was achieved and the next stage was approached: How much and what type of powder?
. Basically, a "scaled-back" load as used in .38 Spl revolverswas a good starting point. The bogus barrel had a threaded-in plug as "standard" practice. The "art" types anted more "smoke" after a "field demonstration, so a "duplex" load of fast pistol powder an a couple of granules of Pyrodex fixed that. The Pyrodex does two things. I produces "smoke" AND it generates an extended-duration "muzzle flash". Both are important in the Fantasy Factory, but the extended-duration flash is needed because of the "exposure time on the cameras. If you have a bright,but short-duration, Murphy's Law will e sure that the camera "shutter", especially when working with REAL film cameras like Arri 35 BLs, will be CLOSED. This is the second reason, after the more obvious "legal" one, why a "gas-burner" machine guns are used in a LOT of productions . The idea is to have a piece of kit that looks like a machine gun but is completely NOT a firearm, except in the benighted place which have "appearance" laws, and oddly enough, a limited production of "action" movies. A flammable gas is piped into the "barrel". At the muzzle is an "igniter" that fires off the gas, via a bit of electronics that synchronize the "flash" with the opening of the camera shutter.
Nowadays, the "creatives use CGI to "paint in" muzzle flash and all manner of "effects", to varying degrees of success.
Smoke and Mirrors were just the start. "
minor nitpick, but Casino Royale was the first Bond story put to film, though it was for TV.
Also done with David Niven and Woody Allen.
@@ken481959 no, that was a completely different version, and done after the movies were well along, and a spoof besides.
@@ken481959 Don't forget Peter Sellers, William Holden, Ursula Andress in the 1967 version which was best one too. Yes I know I'm in the minority and some people will argue oh but its a parody. On the other hand most fans won't recall the first 1954 version OP mentions which was made for TV by Ian Fleming, so there is that.
They aren’t angry, they’re amused. good stuff.
Ha I did notice the PP turning into a 1911, but I did not notice the 1911 turning into a Hi-Power.
THIS. WAS. AWESOME!!! Definitely backing the KS!
Excellent video
Love this channel's dedication to accuracy and history. Thanks Ian!
But the dangerously radioactive Rolex is 100% accurate.
Radium-dial wristwatches weren't radioactive enough to be dangerous to their owners. The people who painted the dials, on the other hand...
Ian Fleming is the one who wrote in the .32 ACP. I think the movie overstated its power, though, but assassins did shoot people in the head with .22 pistols.
Major Boothroyd put on the expert’s voice. ‘As a matter of fact, sir,’ he said modestly, ‘I’ve just been testing most of the small automatics. Five thousand rounds each at twenty-five yards. Of all of them, I’d choose the Walther PPK 7.65 mm. It only came fourth after the Japanese M-14, the Russian Tokarev and the Sauer M-38. But I like its light trigger pull and the extension spur of the magazine gives a grip that should suit 007. It’s a real stopping gun. Of course it’s about a .32 calibre as compared with the Beretta’s .25, but I wouldn’t recommend anything lighter. And you can get ammunition for the Walther anywhere in the world. That gives it an edge on the Japanese and the Russian guns.’
M. turned to Bond. ‘Any comments?’
‘It’s a good gun, sir,’ Bond admitted. ‘Bit more bulky than the Beretta. How does the Armourer suggest I carry it?’
So the story behind the supressor is as follows, as this has been told by the weapon advisor for the movie. This story was told in an old Discovery Channel docu called something like "Searching for the Real James Bond". Because the thread to screw on a supressor was so thin (and short), the weapon advisor decided to put a rod on the supressor so it could go into the barrel. Fun fact about that dvisor, he was in the SAS in WW2 and he was part of the vengeance squad that hunted for Nazxi's responsible for the massacre of SAS men in the Vosges Mountains during operation Loyton.
Though it was easy to get a suppressed barrel for the FN1910 as you could just install the long barrel of the FN1922 in the 1910. The protruding barrel gave plenty of length to add threads. Not that it's all that easy to add threads to a gun barrel that is generally heat treated to the highest hardness.
The walther's barrel was, by comparison, fixed.
@@Treblaine which I assume was not available, so they fixed it that way, I think. But still a great piece of extra info there. Thank you
@@Treblaine Gun barrels are not hardened, they are quite soft. A hard barrel would crack.
That's an interesting nugget of information. I dunno if it will ever have any practical use. But, I feel at least a tiny bit smarter for knowing it. Much appreciated.
@@thepenultimateninja5797 is the chamber ever hardened to prevent damage from the intense deflagration? I was pondering to myself a few years ago about the extreme engineering problems of using high explosives as the propellant. From what I understand detonation intrinsically likes to liberate metal off the chamber, sort of like how cavitation's favourite hobby is nibbling propellers. Is there an alloy hard enough to survive surface denotation while being far too pompous to ever crack under pressure?
Great talk, I heard about Walther PP/PPK misrepresentation long ago, but this was eye-opening. But I also laugh so hard when I noticed you used polish cover of "Spy who loved me" at 12:08 - I think I still have that somewhere in the house!
I think the real question is what are Caleb’s thoughts on the N64 Goldeneye pause screen music. Objectively the hardest anyone has ever gone for a pause screen.
In a case of nature (almost) imitating art, in 1974 the Walther PPK carried by Princess Anne's bodyguard jammed during a kidnap attempt. The bodyguard, driver, and two police officers who happened to be first at the scene were shot and injured by the would-be kidnapper. After that the weapon was withdrawn from service by the Metropolitan Police Diplomatic Protection Team. Despite this however, it has remained in use by at least some UK Special Forces.
The kidnapper was captured when an unarmed passer-by (who just happened to be an ex-boxer) ran forward and punched him in the head, before disarming him and leading the Royals to safety.
Yes! This led to Bond being unable to carry the PPK during the Gardner era of books, and added some interesting guns to the Bond canon - this story, its impact on Bond, and his guns, is all covered in our book!
Curious what the strong points of the PPK were that led to special forces continuing to use it?
I grew up with the Brosnan Bond so it’s refreshing to go over the classics
I grew up with Dalton and rewatched them all with my Dad multiple, multiple times. Brosnan and Connery are by far the best Bonds. So many little bits Brosnan did were improv.
I had never watched the old ones from the 20th century and after I watched the spy who loved me in March I started watching them all. I only have a few more left to watch
@@cardboardcapeii4286 Enjoy them! They are great films. I was never a fan at all of Roger Moore but they are all still good
@@cardboardcapeii4286 "The Spy Who Loved Me" was the first Bond I ever saw, aged 10 in 1990. It's still my favourite. As a kid I was all about the gadgets, so the Lotus Esprit blew my mind. And, even at such an early age I was quite taken with Barbara Bach aka Agent XXX. Glad you're enjoying the Bond films!
@@afd19850 The Moore Era was too slap stick. One villain flew up the roof and exploded while making a deflating balloon sound. Bond was literally in a clown costume, defusing a nuke. I really enjoyed Moon Raker, but it jumps the shark into orbit. That said, any of those were better than SPECTRE or Quantum Of Solace.