OTs-14 Groza: Russia's Over-Hyped 9x39mm Spetznaz Bullpup
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The 9x39mm cartridge was introduced in the final days of the Soviet Union as a subsonic round intended specifically for suppressed weapons. The first weapons developed for it were the AS Val and VSS Vintorez. These were followed in the early 1990s by the OTs-14 "Groza", developed by Valery Tells and Yuri Lebedev at Tula. The concept was for a modular multi-purpose rifle which could be assembled on a mission-by-mission basis by special forces or police troops as required. The complete load out included a short barrel with vertical front grip, a longer barrel, an under barrel grenade launcher, and a telescopic sight. The base gun was an AKS-74U ("Krinkov") converted to 9x39mm. Only a few hundred were ever made, all of them converted from AKS-74U rifles rather than being built from scratch.
The Groza is an exotic and highly touted rifle in the west because it is extremely rare, but it was not really well liked by those who actually used it. It cannot be fired left-handed, it blows a lot of gas into the shooter's face when used suppressed, and its controls are rather awkward to use. the lofty original plan was to produce it in 9x39 for Spetznaz, 5.45 for the Russian Army, and 5.56mm NATO and 7.62x39mm for export sales. In fact, only the 9x39mm version was made and production took place only in 1994 and 1995.
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Hats off to the veterans of the Chernobyl NPP who survived a 40+ minute corridor shooter against 100s of enemies with this thing.
idi ko mne
@@phencyclidine7880 oh monolith
Speak for yourself, I was always a G36P kinda guy.
Cheeky breeki
PALOCHAY GRANATO CHERV >:(
10 seconds later.
MONOLITH AXXX :(
*dies and farts a grenade under him*
Ian probably bought this from Sidorovich for 20000 rubles.
nah cus that is a 5.45 version of a groza
He picked it up from the toilet in Yantar underground
Nah he payed 800 rubles to vampire
@@EricGPP nah, barter is better deal
Did that as a kid way back in 2007... Only to realize that 9mm was the more plentiful option for the early to mid game going into the garbage and institute.
Honestly I sometimes think that the story of how places such as the Royal Armouries got these examples as part of their collection has to be far more interesting than the firearm themselves.
I'm guessing it might have been a battlefield capture somewhere in Eastern Europe. The fact that it didn't come with all the bits and pieces reminds me of when you buy an iPad from a guy in the pub, but it doesn't come with the charger. I know he says it belongs to his grandmother, but you've got to be a little suspicious.
@@MrSonofsonofIt could also be from Syria, since they've been using that place as a proving-ground for quite a while. And remember when a bunch of Russians got team-wiped when they tried to FAFO?
Pepperidge Farms remembers. 😉
If you have enough vodka, anything can fall off a truck.
Oh absolutely. Even many of those with a seemingly straightforward provenance are likely to have taken a very serreptitious, snaking route requiring the greasing of palms and spinning of yarn.
There are definitely some interesting stories there, and I've heard some accounts of how former curators went around the world to pick up unique items. Whether those stories are true however, I don't know. The backstories are perhaps what's most missing from the collection!
But Ian, it's in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. it can't be over-hyped
Say that to the monolith dudes
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.🤩❤
I actually don't even think it is
Stalker 2 this very moment
@@manender1020 🤩❤
S.T.A.L.K.E.R fans see this gun the same way Fallout fans see a retro AR with wood furniture.
True
NUH UHHH
STALKER fans love it
Battlebit players either reveare it or hate it
Kind of
Well, not gonna lie, in most cases that's true. Don't forget about FT-200M from Oblivion Lost.
This Cheekis my Breekis perfectly, thank you Ian.
Blyatstalker
@@Chaosrain112 he ki’s on my cheeks until i breeki
I used to be a stalker like you...
Until the Monolith called...
Royal Armouries probably found this lying around in No.4 Reactor after the Brain Scorcher got shut down
Nah, Ian fought a Monolith soldier with his Makarov and picked this one up from his body
Some mercs got jobs to bring out Russian military weapons out of the zone. Obvs getting in the first place is hard enough. Then they have to be taken to someone who could get them out. From what I heard it wasn’t cheap or easy, but as you can see they did get some out. Rumours some anomalies may have left the zone as well don’t tell duty though ahah.
@@nguyenquyetthang1326wouldn’t surprise me if Ian was with the mercs. Or maybe clear sky or just a stalker. Doubt he’d of joined duty and probably not freedom.
Dr Jonathan Ferguson, Keeper of Firearms and Artillery went in there himself, armed with an IL86
@@parallel-knightdefinitely an armorer at the mercs base in Dead City (deleted location)
The best part about this assembly is that nothing seems to be stopping the user from carrying the separate FCG around as a pocket grenade launcher
There is inbuild evolutionary mechanism to prevent this - humans have only two arms and breaking one is fairly unpleasant. Soviet GP-series of UBGLs were designed from different philosofy from US M79/203, actually originating from concept similar to japanese one of underbarrel rifle grenade (launched by live round, not blank) and like rifle grenades they have quite nasty recoil.
@@nikitajukov4915 I love how they had to add that because they knew right off the bat someone would do it
@therideneverends1697 i mean yeah, having a safety device so a grenade launcher doesn't go off accidently is a pretty bare bones feature
Would be sick if they could use it stand off though. Or maybe with a stock like the one that the GP-25 uses same sorts look/concept.
There are unsubstantiated accounts from the memoirs of WW2 veterans who state that the 2" mortar has been used as a handheld grenade launcher.
I wonder if anyone has an opinion on the likelihood of this being true.
Thanks in advance for qualified opinion. CK.
NO WAY! I thought to myself yesterday, "It'll probably never happen but I hope Ian does a video on the Groza." You sir have made my week.
I didn't realise it was basically a AKS74U Frankenstein'd into a bullpup to fire 9x39.
I've got to say that I've only ever seen digital renditions in video games, so never paid that close attention to its finer details. But now it's been pointed out, it's really obvious.
I guess that's why there's no clones/parts kit examples in the US since Krinks are already quite rare and difficult to get in the US. Not many people are going to be keen to waste a AKS74U parts kit and tax stamp for a calibre that they can't shoot.
I’m not even kidding I was JUST thinking this and I relate to this comment so hard
Now sell all your possessions and follow him
With the black gloves, black rifle, and black background, I thought my monitor was broken until Ian's pink wrist appeared 🤣
I thought I was having a neurological episode for a moment there 😅
Me too!
@@Stoic_grimace😅😅
Same.
My eyes started to hurt.😂
I thought i was the only one.
The 100m to 250m are lined up of the front post of the rifle sight and the 300m to 400m off the post on the muzzle shroud. It is why each side graduates in opposite directions and the front rifle sight post is slightly offset to the left and the post on the muzzle off to the right.
Genuine question, if the sights are both offset, would that not shift your point of aim?
Just erased my post stating the same. Also, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to make both the grenade sight and the shroud sight independently windage adjustable.
Given that the thing probably shoots 5-7MOA (total guess), the slight variation may not be a big issue
@@gregoryfilin8040 No, because the front sight will always be to the right of the rear sight. If your grenade impacts way to the right then to zero you have to move the front sight way to the right. The grenade sight serves as a front sight when used with the rifle post and as a rear sight when used with the muzzle post. Moving the grenade sight to the right relative to the rifle post and then moving muzzle post to the right relative to the grenade sight assures that the front sight will always be to the right of rear sight.
Absolutely CRAZY to see this absolute unicorn of a gun in Ians hands, must be such an honor...
Looks like something someone made in his own garage...
You can see from the quality of the finish why Soviet Union collapsed.
I also wonder if they did make this copy on machines from Germany that they took away in 1945 as war reparations...
... For the gun!
@@johnbuttery1171 indeed, that as well!
Korobov someday.
A good Stalker weapon
get out of here stalker
I said come in, don't just stand there
You can’t go there!
only if you are Reech, sdalger
Holster your weapon, stalker.
Deadly anomalies, dangerous mutants, anarchists and bandits... None of them will stop Duty on its triumphant march towards saving the planet! Am I the only one who know this gun from S.T.A.L.K.E.R ? :D ( btw, great video as always ! )
Duty 🤨
CLEAR SKY 4 EVAAAAA RAAAAAAAAAAAH
@@betteroywoth2445 average clear sky member
@@betteroywoth2445 difenetly forever in cnpp
one look at the comment section told me that most people here know this gun from the STALKER series. Me included. Though I gravitate more to the FN 2000 because it has Halo vibes (my other favorite game series... OG Bungie at least)
I can't resist...
Get out of here Stalker
Don't just stand there, I said come in!
ah nu cheeky breeki iv damke
Marked one?!!! What the hell?!!!
Hello, Hello.
I got some information that might well be of use to you, stalker
Groza is such a funky system, I wish there were proper clones or kits for these
I could have sworn there were? Not great ones, maybe, but I seem to recall that efforts were made.
There is a thread on akfiles about building clones, it is slowly moving along
There actually is, Stuff and Things BPK. It’s a conversion kit for Zastava AK pistols, and because there is no stock, it remains a pistol afterwards.
You may also want to look into the A3 triad system (esp the one for PSA JAKL 300blk)
Not a clone, but same vibe. And more usable IMO
Reading the comments it seems that I am not alone in recognizing this gun from STALKER. I never noticed on the in-game model that it is basically just a bastardized AK-74 SU but the shared parts seem pretty obvious now upon seeing it up close.
It is still super interesting how they put it together. I love the idea of a field customizable, modular system, that you can quickly configure for a particular mission, though I do see the opportunity for some pretty substantial down sides to a design like that. Ah well, I shall continue to employ the rule of cool while I saunter though the zone and leave the woes of real world design to be endured by the archives of historians like Ian 😂
Its a solid concept, held back by both the place and time it was developed an the logistical issues that plague all modular field configurable guns, useing an AK as the base definitely did not do it any favors either
USSOCOM have the SOPMOD kit for their M4-format guns which is kinda like that.
The OTs-14 Groza has got to be one of the most extremely exotic guns i've ever laid my eyes on and what makes it more unique is the fact it's modular like the Vietnam War-era Stoner 63. Your videos are always a treat to watch Ian, you never cease to amaze me.
That AK upper in there just makes this look bubba as all hell
Just a friendly reminder... there's no such thing as "AK upper", it's "reciever" only :)
@@adamcichon6957 the dust cover then
How else would we know it's Russian?
Jokes aside, I like it because it is clearly a personal touch by the designer that provides no benefits at all.
Haven''t eally noticed it until now.... Although I always joke it as a bulpup AK
Hello my fellow S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and GFL players. It's been a while.
Into the Radius fans saying hi also
as far as i understand, Groza version that was depicted in GFL is Groza 1 which using integrated suppressor
man, ASK is really kick ass for making her art
ohayo shikikan
Man, I cheeki'd and Breeki'd hard with this bad boy during my several thousand hour tour when I was deployed to the CNPP.
It's interesting to see how kludged together this weapon was. Reused receivers with missing components, trap doors from removed accessories, etc. The whole design looks like it was on an extreme budget.
And it was an extremely budget weapon. The factory was almost bankrupt, it needed to sell something "new" to the army, but the budget was close to zero
1994-1995 aka borderline hunger years, estimated 8 million people died
@@ivanmonahhov2314что за хрень Вы тут разносите? Какие 8 млн погибших?
@@RWKIN избыточная смертность после распада СССР на его территории
@@ivanmonahhov2314 это бредни конспирологов, не распространяйте эту чушь. PS От водки в СССР по такой аналогии тоже миллионы погибли
People: (photoshopping bullpup AK for cursed gun memes)
Soviet Union: "I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you!"
Wait till you see Korobov's designs
@@tnd1488 Ah, the man who made a service bullpup for Mars campaign, but somehow it was in our timeline where USSR invaded Czechoslovakia instead. Talk about transdimensional artifacts.
Many such cases.
There's Ukrainian bullpup ak called malyuk
I guess that's how the Soviets really fell apart, they got QPU misaligned.
One of my weapons in the original S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series
Very versatile
Did Not Expect so many Stalker References I love you guys and Ian's channel
Great to see the (in)famous Groza, even in its late export model variation, in hands of Ian. Only little complain would be absence of the notiob of modified gaz system - 9x39 round need to pick gas very close to chamber to operate reliably, but Groza uses completely standart AKS-74U parts, such as gas block and gaz pistion - so to achieve it OTs-14 has gas hole drilled in the very start of the barrel and then small diameter tube (it can be seen with top handguard lifted running bellow gas tube) running from gas hole to gas block. Probably it may be the most interesting part of OTs-14 system, differenting it from all the other AK-bullpups.
it looks like the rear lug of the firing grip attachment mechanism is actually on a gas block, because there’s also a small tube running forward from that block to what would normally be the -74u gas block, take a look from 10:14 to see what I mean. Ian doesn’t specifically mention it, but I suspect that’s what’s going on, and I think some of the recent American produced 9x39 AK conversions ended up doing something similar to tap gas super close to the chamber but still retain the normal AK operating system
we must have been typing out that at the same time 😅
Correct. Sad Ian didnt mention it.
Yup. M1 Carbine-ish gas port connected to AR-ish gas block connected to AR-ish gas tube that transports gases forward to AK-ish gas block that redirects them up and back to "standard" gas tube/piston. Unlike in AR that AR-ish tube is not accessible for cleaning. Same gas system as Tiss which is (more ?) proper predecessor to Groza. Same designers, incidentally. I don't think 9x39 was inherently the problem. It was the short barrel that within general design architecture brought the conventional gas port location right next to the muzzle which ultimately resulted in reliability issues. In Ksyuha it's solved by a muzzle booster.
ah, yes, my favorite gun in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
It looks badass🎉🎉🎉
Not VSS?😂
@@alexanderhildermann9761 that too
From vtuber community to Gun Jesus... The Zone is too small.
@@UsaKen_PMC nah, it's just our Merc instincts kicking in
This gun is beyond rare, thank you for doing this.
The UA-cam notification the lightning, and opening up Ian’s video each time is the Groza
The British Royal Armouries Museum? The one that houses thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history?
Jokes aside, I've fallen in love with the design ever since I first saw it in STALKER. Never knew it was essentially a chassis for an AKSU or that it came with a sick-ass briefcase like that.
I always love seeing how much the Russians were willing to work around the AK receiver instead of trying a more dedicated base. Also, somewhere in Texas, Brandon Herrera just popped a stiffy and doesn't know why.
we call it unification
Because Hugo Schmeisser died in 1953 and with him so did Kalashnikov's ability to "invent" new firearms.
Well, it was the same getting US top brass to abandon M14 and then AR-15 platforms, minus the US DoD humongous budget.
@@andreipetrenko2422 Hugo Schmeisser had nothing to do with Kalashnikov though? The AK-47 was produced in the Izhevsk factory where Hugo Schmeisser worked, but production only moved to that factory after the AK-47 was approved for trials. German engineers were also prohibited from working on any classified projects, including the AK platform.
You might assume the AK design was based on the Stg-44, but that is complete nonsense. Other than it's role in combat as an assault rifle, it is completely unrelated. The AK platform is much more closely related to the M1 Garand.
@joost1120 I'm going to assume you are genuinely naive. If you watch Ian's video on early AK models, pay extra attention on how the first AKs were stamped (while every Soviet firearm above pistol caliber was machined) and how Russians mysteriously lost the ability to stamp receivers right when all those useless Germans from Erma and Gustloff went back to Germany. It took geniuses at Izhevsk 7 years to come up with stamped AKM. Also, you might wonder why Browning, Stoner, Scmeisser, Tokarev came up with numerous designs, yet the "genius" produced absolute bupkis in six decades after "designing" AK.
This weapon reminds me of 1980s action movies. I love it. 😎
Sci-fi too
That'd be bullpups in general, cus that gun was designed in the 90s. And people in the West know it from playing late 2000s Ukrainian video games.
just turned off my S.T.A.L.K.E.R game, this is perfect
About the grenade launcher sight: 1 - 2,5 is going downwards while 3 - 4 goes upwarts which means the 1 - 2,5 is meant to be used with the rearsight (probably the regular rifle rearsight) while 3 - 4 is meant to be used with the frontsight of the grenade launcher.
I think - no, it is for direct and indirect fire
No, one side indexes off the front rifle sight (not the rear) and the other side indexes off the front sight blade on the muzzle shroud. That’s why each are offset their respective positions. Not a bad compromise. I’m more curious about the holes/dots corresponding to range. Maybe a low light deal? Maybe for some tritium or lume paint idk.
@@chetmanley220 well, the rear or the front rifle sight don't change the general concept. but you're probably right since the front sight would be in the way if you used the rear sight
@@Rogus_mtb that would be the result of what i said
glad you covered this cool bullpup. it's cool in the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games
Thank you, Groza-4, for your lack of recoil in Phantom Forces; you have served me well over the years.
God bless you Jesus! I was waiting for this since 2007 S.T.A.L.K.E.R. came out.
Any chance for a Taiwanese WolfA1( T91) rifle video? I know there's a few of them full auto T91s floating around in the U.S. 😊
For a split second I thought you said "... assassinate a hostage, rescue a terrorist..." 😅
That would not be inaccurate if we’re talking about Russians.
hey, hey, hey, they don't "assassinate" hostages. Hostages dying is just part of the cartoonish amounts of collateral damage that russian Federal Security Forces tend to inflict in "rescue" operations
@@Ostenjager haha. hohol moment. slava ukraine :D
@@fridrekr7510 Or Beslan
In Soviet Russia...
When I was youngster in about 10 years ago and didn’t know much, I saw a listing for one in the case complete. I always wondered if it was a custom job done in the field, or if the rifle came as such! So glad I finally know, thanks! The one I saw was red felt lined for what it’s worth!
We going back to Pripyat with this one boys!
Delighted that you flew over here to demo this special unicorn. 🙂
The emphasis is on the last sillable (grozA). Means "Thunderstorm", btw
True!
"Гроза"
Well, not really. In a figurative sense, yes - as a thunderstorm might be a fearsome - but the core meaning is "fear", "threat" or "terror". There's a good reason we translate "Иван Грозный" as "Ivan the Terrible" (albeit "Horrible" would be still better translation), not as "Ivan the Thunderstorm", innit? Or how about the capital of Chechnya - Грозный - "Stormy Town", eh?
The rifling in that 'nade launcher is CRAZY!!
The grenade launcher sighting uses 3 different sights from what I can see.
For ranges up to 250m you use the front sight on the carry handle and align it with whatever distance mark you want to shoot.
For ranges between 300 and 400m you use the grenade launcher sight in combination with the little nub on the muzzle.
Kind of direct fire vs indirect fire sights.
I love Max Popenker's commentary on this and the other 9x39mm weapons in one of your older vids
For the grenade launcher sight:
Since one side has the numbers in decending order, and the other in acending order, the second part of the sight has to be infront of the flip-up leaf in one case, and behind it in the other.
If you look at the side view (like at 1:13) the only option i can see is using the front sight blade of the carry handle for 100 to 250 meters and the sight blade of the barrel shroud for 300 to 400 meters.
Which would also explain why the "hooks" on the 1-2,5 markings go to the cerner line of the gun, whereas the other hooks as well as the sight blade on the shroud are offset to the right.
While making no judgement on the actual practically, I do like the thinking behind the whole "case of parts" idea.
Oh, god. It's a military version of those guys who spend all day in the office modifying their window manager's configuration --- I know, I'll move the scroll bar to the leftt, the go away button to the lower right, change the system font to comic sans...
I just started playing STALKER this past few weeks and this Channel just started one the weapon in the game. Kudos 👏 😄
5:29 i thought the video was in black and white until i saw Ian's skin 😂
Perhaps the tiny holes are for when shooting into sunlight or bright light, the markings would be hard to see but light would pour through the holes giving the range
Damn, if Ian's arm is not in shot it looks like B&W footage xD
This is one of my all time favorite weapon designs, thanks for sharing!
Safety latch being furthest away possible from your hands is wild.
I dont expect people in actual combat to be playing with it too often.
About the grenade range front panel, it's for direct and "indirect" fire
Right side is for low and more straight trajectory and the other is for "lobbed" path
can't believe the soviets gave it an inherent 200% increase in damage at night
That gizmo to switch fire control from the rifle to the Grenade is realy neat.
There's a definite, early SA80 vibe to it - reminds me of the carbine version.
Awesome to see such an interesting weapon. All the 9x39 guns are just so fascinating. I hope you can get your hands on a 9A-91 next.
Ian youre a gem
FANTASTIC! Great job Ian! Thanks for the overview! 👍👍
Never thought id see forgotten weapons chickening out the comments section.
Might not even be him, UA-cam likes to do it automatically
I love how so many weapons from Russia are basically just someone starting with an AK and modding it like crazy until you get something new (but visually has elements of the original platform).
Found a design thats bulletproof and decided not to mess (too much) with a good thing.
Over-hyped bullpup
Do we really want to go there Ian?
Hat's off to Ian for rocking what looks like a classic Casio watch.
Yuri Lebedev is one of engineers who created Groza indeed. But PL-15 was engineered by Dmitry Lebedev.
11:00 you forgot to mention one of the weirdest features! The AR style gas tube above the barrel. Gas port is right next to the chamber, gasses go forward to the front sight, where they push the piston back.
Groza was my favourite gun and my main choice in Stalker games. I also hoped for it to be adopted by the military. It looks so greaat.
I'm pretty sure 9x39 has some serious problems with accuracy
It's more that it has a lot of drop. @@manender1020
Not really. It's just a subsonic round so 300-400m is the upper limit of what the cartridge can do. Within that range it is pretty accurate.
After all it was made for precise silent killing at a relatively short range.@@manender1020
The grenade sight seems pretty straightforward. Use the front sight post for the white, the barrel shroud post for red. It’s pretty easy to see how the two posts in conjunction with the leaf would create a constant arc, the white 100m to the sight post being almost point blank and red 400m to the barrel shroud post being about 45°.
I am surprised that nobody has said yet ah nu cheeki breeki iv damke!!!
I was literally just searching for a video by you about this gun 2 days ago. It's like you read my mind Ian!
I always thought it was really cool in games and just looking at it. Ki d of seems redundant with the 74u and Val. Side note, when has mission specific modularity ever worked out?
The trigger in both rifle and grenade launcher mode looks and sounds anything but crisp
Just out of curiosity why are comments turned off on the MAGAL video?
Cuz some people aren't civil and only know to spam free palpatine everywhere they go like a disease
Awesome to finally see this covered, it's such a neat rifle! :D
Kinda reminds me of the Australian copy of the aug, the Austeyr EF88
A modular bullpup in .223 but can use both grenade launcher including the 203 for the 40 mike mike
And suppressor at the same time
Could also swap out different sized barrels with ease and go from carbine to a squad automatic weapon with bipod
And use scopes too
I can’t remember but if it could use drums I’m pretty sure it could but it was also issued with 42 round mags
Great video, Ian. It would be interesting to see more videos about weapons for 9x39 caliber, like the "Tiss" submachine gun, AK-9. Or weapons for 9x21 caliber like the "Gyurza" pistol and the "Veresk" submachine gun.
Blagavarim tebya za to chto raskril slogam tvayim kozni vragov nashix. Zachiti monolith bratya!!!
A) blagotvorim
B) slogom
C) tvoyim
D) zashiti and the sentence seems to have wrong grammar
@@manender1020 yeah and Russian is written in Latin rather than in Cyrillic, my poor transcription using zero IPA symbols is definitely a grammatical problem. Geez. Here's 3000 roubles, go have a few colds ones in 100 Rads Bar on me.
Great overview on the system. Thank you for sharing this! Gun Jesus may be a bit of a quip or a joke but I’m quite sure I would have never seen this without your dedication to finding these anomalies and overcoming the bureaucratic red tape to allow you to showcase them. Thank you for sharing!
Actually waited for this video for 10 years. Amazing! Thanks)
Unusual straight magazine, never saw such one before
black raven black raven circling above the grave.
My information might well be of use to you, stalker.
@@LeadHeadBOD If somebody just help me.
My guess on how to aim the grenade launcher:
align the front iron sight & grenade leaf sight for 100-250m (white numbers);
and align the barrel shroud post & grenade leaf sight for 300-400m (red numbers)
Morning Ian. What's for breakfast?
Your momma
Well the Armouries are in Leeds, so statistically, Greggs.
I have been waiting so long for this gun to show up here. It's my favorite and the one I wish I could have most in the states.
not a single word about it's unusual gas operated system
The AR style gas tube.
It's basically just an AR gas system what are you on about
@@xtron1234 what?? Gas port is next to the chamber, gasses go forward and push long stroke piston. Nothing like AR, only the tube.
That was a fun video Ian! I just smiled when you put the words suppressor, gassy and krinkov together. 🤣
You start by explaining this is for special forces, uses subsonic ammunition, a relatively short barrel, has rudimentary iron sights, and therefore presumably is primarily for CQB applications. All makes sense until there’s a grenade launcher…
Your problem is that you didn't play Stalker.
It was billed as a CQB/anti-terrorism weapon. Basically for glorified LE operations. The launcher is an optional module that can also shoot gas grenades.
In the 90s, there was a constant turmoil and two wars in cacausus region. A lot of special forces were operating there, and the terrorists were well-trained and armed up to a military standards. A grenade launcher was a great option to have in case of something goes wrong in a mission against such an opponent. In fact, the only pictures of groza combat use I've seen are from chechen wars and law enforcement operations there
Grendae launcher use:
Left side markings you put on target when you're just shouldering the rifle and looking through irons.
Right side works when you line it up with the front sight post instead.
The spiritual ancestor to the m40a1 pulse rifle
non
I shot this thing at a shooting range in the early 2000s, we had several of them, I didn’t see a suitcase with its parts, and I didn’t even know it existed. They were in 9x39 mm caliber and had a silencer on the barrel. I remember well that I really didn’t like its sector sight; it was not convenient to aim at this hole.
still way much better than infamous L76
Ian is the only left handed person I've seen who wears his watch on his left wrist.
Left handed as well. I usually do too and did in the military as well. Can’t really say why except it feels more comfortable.
The little holes on the sight are a type of Russian Cyrillic Braille, used by blind soldiers when employing the grenade launcher 👍
I suspect they are very useful when your target is back-lit so you can't read the painted numbers, but you can see light through the holes.
There are many, many, things about this kludge that give me Forrest Whittaker Eye Twitch, but the GL sight *isn't* one of them - pretty damned good job, I'd say.
Kinda funny how the hinging top cover was such an important feature of the Krinkov, but on the Groza it's completely vestigial and literally only there because they were rebuilds from guns that had them.
Hope this gun will be in Stalker 2 this Autumn
Is Stalker 2 still coming out? With the war in Ukraine I thought development might've stopped.
@@102ndsmirnov7 On 5th of September
@@102ndsmirnov7 On 5th of September
the little single trigger selector i find is quite clever
Can't see any way that a single trigger for a grenade launcher and rifle could possibly go wrong..
Thats why it only went to people who actually knew how to handle it. :-)
I also think there would be quite a few "accidents" if it was issued to the general army.
It's the spetsnaz, it makes no difference really. We talking the same org who shot Thermobarics at a school full of hostage children.
@@tioseba7or use poison gas on a theater full of hostages, killing more hostages than there were hostage-takers.
@@tioseba7 Spetnaz gets a lot more training. And you actually need to qualify to be in it. General army is mostly conscripted. Some sign contracts, so they stay longer and might be better trained. But generaly there is a lot of difference between spetsnaz and general troops.
@@HappyFoxtrotEven elites screw up.
Honestly, it wouldn't be too terribly difficult to incorporate a simple well shrouded, spring loaded button that would lock the GL firing pin unless depressed with the left thumb (since you can't use this thing left handed anyway). Now you have to do two things in order to fire the GL (and screwing up in the opposite direction - trying to fire a grenade while the selector is on rifle - is not only less hazardous, but can be addressed with the same switch - the same thumb catch could be used to block the rifle transfer bar when it *isn't* depressed). Basically, a thumb activated "grip safety" that deactivates different components depending whether it is activated or not. (And yes, there is a good reason to have "push for grenade" instead of "push for bullet" - it is far more likely a troop will need bullets in a one handed situation, as you *can't* really fire one of these grenades one handed with out injury; the GL trigger is already a sloppily, stiffer DAO trigger than the rifle and grenades aren't precision munitions unlike bullets, so the extra thumb pressure to fire the GL doesn't matter.)
The only engineering mitigation to a genuine hazard *less* effective than "It's just a training problem" is "Well, just put a sign on it." The #1 engineering solution to mitigating a hazard (in every engineering school on the planet) is, "How can we design out the hazard entirely?", followed very closely behind with, "Well, if we can't *eliminate* the hazard, can we at least make it really bloody hard to screw it up?"
It's enjoyable everytime, I'm introduced to a firearm I never knew existed !