I think it is telling to me that this guy uses Greta Thunberg as a scapegoat in this argument and not like. An actual outwardly young pagan environmentalists like Autumn Peltier. That means he's just overtly not actually looking a connection that might be had to any kind of religion or spirituality and just trying to find a way to discredit the people he happens to know about.
The Joan of Arc point made my blood boil for some reason. It's tragic how even to this day, Christians view her with such vile vitriol when she fought so hard for her religion, Christianity. Which, mind you, ultimately killed her in the end, cause of the nasty gender roles in the Bible.
And she sounds kinda like she might be trans and used righfully her faith ?! But yes she rather dies presumelythan to conform to presumed gender roles.
I don’t so much mind Faith and Family...but Flag bothers me for some reason... It would take a much longer comment than my current headache will allow, but the icky feeling of equating “where I was born” with “what I believe” and “who I love” remains.
I refer you to this Beau of the Fifth Column t-shirt: teespring.com/en-GB/shop/gps-coordinates-7884?pid=389&cid=100029 As for the flag, I wonder which one he means. Unionist? Confederate? Rhodesian?
@@corypowercat7277 because i don't need to believe that gods are real beings in order to venerate them. earlier humans invented gods in order to describe the complex relationships found in nature.
@Cory PowerCat i know i am late, but the “point” of paganism is, at least to me, the worship of nature. it always has been. the earliest pagans worshipped nature, but since they didn’t understand a lot about it, they created deities to humanize it. i am an agnostic pagan, which is pretty close to atheistic paganism. as such, i don’t concern myself with deities. i worship nature, not a personification of it. sorry if this is badly explained, english is not my first language.
Im Danish and grew up in a tradition of Protestantism and Norse mythology…. One of the best things - speaking from a belief side of things - in Denmark is that we don’t flaunt our faith, it just is a part of, if not daily, then at least seasonal life… Most Danes attend church very sparingly - we get babtised, which only requires a talk with the priest for the parents, and that the godparents are there - then we get confirmed - that requires most of a school year of attending 2 hours a week of ‘Bible study’ - and then we get married and buried at the church… If most of ‘us’ attend beyond that it’s for a Christmas sermon, but that’s mostly traditional ;) Now - I’m an atheist - but willing to learn about religion - and here it’s totally ok to be atheist, pagan, heathen or Muslim… you can have what ever faith you choose!! What is NOT ok is to use your faith to bash other with!!! So with that in mind, I’m glad I’m danish!! - and religion is just one part of why, but it’s actually pretty great to live in peace side by side with any other religion!
if you freeze the video at 14 min 04 secs - and squint at Greta Thunberg, a really scary thing happens. She turns into Ben Shapiro. It's like she's the anti-Shapiro.
I honestly think God/Allah might be either Loki or Baldr the more I think about it. Also, I was very moved by Greta's speech it's a shame so many are making fun of her. When it comes to the Earth I feel like we're making the Hulder and other spirits weep, angry, or dead.
@Radagast wow that went right over your head didn't it. Allow me to explain. Some pagans and atheists believe that if the Abrahamic god is real that this god is probably a god of chaos. Due to what they have commanded their followers to do. Hence Loki. Does that make sense or do you need another woosh?
@@corypowercat7277 Loki is more laid back then any Christian and he gets his kicks from other questioning their reality. He doesn't want you to hide from the truth just to laugh at what ever you think is true at a given time. So no sin shaming. On the other hand he is more than willing to guide you down the path of your own suffering such as Germany during WW II. Please look up the Werewolf Soldiers they were given offerings and battle prayers to Loki wife.
@@joeysonofander7479 There was a WW II German special forces unit called " Were Wolf," and they offer prayers to Angrboda the Wolf Mother/ Bringer of Sorrows. Information on them can be found on YT.
As an Environmental Scientist and Pagan the discussion about the climate crisis is so frustrating. The fact that we haven't completely switched to sustainable sources of energy production is 100% due to the greed of fossil fuel companies and the government officials whose pockets they fill. Que internal screaming on the daily.
@OP-01 I've cared about the environment since I was a child and also very Christian so it has nothing to do with my "mystic Pagan beliefs" but with basic human decency and science (again I have a degree on the subject). The oil industry also doesn't cause any to truly prosper except those who run the companies that benefit from it. Please get a life and stop digging through years old comments on years old videos to voice your uneducated opinions.
@@hannahbrooks6174 My life at this moment in time is really not that sunny. Regardless I have always wanted to entartain a argument with a pagan who has a "degree in ScIEnCE"
@@hannahbrooks6174 Regarding oil, everybody benefits, as it drives society onwards Infact because of taxes and burocratic laws people suffer from lack of it.
Loved this one. The article was such reactionary drivel I couldn't make sense of it so this helped me understand what the FUCK it was going on about. And makes very clear that the author has never met a pagan, lol
i would honestly argue that secularism is the idea of seperating religion from the political process and the state allowing for the state to be compleatly unbiased in regards to religion, (this includes seperating atheism (even if atheism is just the lack of belif in any gods) from the political process as well) rather then seperating religion and spirituality from society allthogheter, but i guess we have diffrent deifinitions of the term secularist.
Brilliant, absolutely love this. I work in social care in North East England and your videos are helping me promote and explain Paganism in an intelligent, honest and balanced way. Great stuff.
Addressing Bradbrook directly, her current problem is that she still sees society as rational and capable of changing its behavior in the face of rational arguments. Unfortunately, that is not how human society works. We are headed for a near-extinction event, but we will ride the collapse of the environment all the way down until it collapses our society--then we'll adapt. The law that governs that is "Adaptability is inversely proportional to the level of specific adaptation," and our society is highly adapted to its old environment.
The fundamentalist Christian rejection of environmentalism confuses the hell out of me and did so even when I was a Christian (and Catholicism is Christian, fight me). The idea is that the earth is a gift from our Heavenly Father so wouldn’t it make it more sense to treat the earth with _more_ respect? The way you treat a gift is how you treat the one that gifted to you and your relationship to them after all. Why are Christians so disrespectful towards their god I’ll never understand.
Perhaps it's because they fear him and don't love him in reality. After all how can you love what you fear? As Yoda would say. "Fear is the path to the darkside. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." While his fictional the words are true from careful observation. Even though I am not a christian, but an agnostic I can still recognize a human need for religion. Not all humans need religion, but that doesn't mean none do. Fundamentalist conservative christianity is junk food compared to most religions. It's not healthy for the brain at all. It leads to suffering on earth, because of their fear in their deity and as such hate him. They don't want to deal with him, but believe they must. I have a feeling it's a little more like a love-hate relationship than anything else though. Honestly I would hate the fundamentalist christian version of God too considering how fucking abnormally evil he is.
@@thoughtaddict2739 Although I don’t agree that religion is actually necessary for anyone and I generally think that Jedi philosophy to be impractical and unhealthy I agree with your post. I especially like the part where you compare Christianity to fast food, hahah.
@@mikelapine1 Though I generally agree that the jedi philosophy about emotions are extremely flawed. In fact their approach to emotions is suppressing it, which inevitably leads to an over reaction later on. Anakin Skywalker's an example of that.
Yes, a warrior maiden like Athena. People do compare her to Joan of Arc, but as a compliment. Teen girl on an inspired mission to save something. The comparison is apt.
Even though I’m a Catholic personally. I do agree so whole hearty we need and must care for the environment. I really wished we just worked together more. Christian are crazy if they think we shouldn’t care. I’m Catholic and I also think homosexuality is ok and that is something I’ll be called a heretic or put to the stake if I shared that :/ which I did, too bad. I believe Kids and procreation are a blessing to marriage, not necessary. I just believe people need to raise good kids who care for others and their world (Ehm environment). And this is not me trying to “fit” in to society. In fact if people do cared about this world and And So Afraid of hell, we should be more afraid of the hell that could come on earth than the afterlife. (Ehm yes Im a hopeful universalist) so yay let’s gooooi!
If you're Protestant, Joan of Arc, being Catholic, *is* Pagan according to the Thumpers that raised me. Venerating a saint = idolatry. (And "idolatry" might be the only 4-syllable word my mother actually knows.) I mean, if some Fundie is going to be exclusionary, we might as well get ALL the Groups they hate into one article, right? These people make my head hurt. You make me laugh and help me learn, which I appreciate Brother. Be well.
That reminds me of something my mother told me of: years ago, my mother was told (by a Baptist I believe) that she was going to Hell for being Catholic. There is a reason she is not fond of Baptists.
@@OceanKeltoi that's fine. I ended up here because of the G-cat video and Hammered out. Your (with lack of a better term) laid back approach is pretty cool.
Reconstructionist = pagan nerd gave me a legit soda spit take. I choked from laughing so hard and idek why. The snark in this one is beautifully on point. Great work.
Ocean Keltoi Not exactly, but in a way, not to kill. See, I want to believe (I know now this is wrong because the god of the bible is a cruel narcissist who made us to worship him) that God wanted us to be his kids or family and when we say Jesus come into my heart and be my friend and my family that is the sacrifice. I guess that isn’t a huge sacrifice but his burden is easy and yoke is light. :)
Well at least in my case my love for Mother Nature and for fantasy fiction in mythology is what brought me to my dedication to the Great Goddess as I would not have even known of her existence otherwise being brought up in the judeo-christian world with a Christian family that went to church every Sunday some 4 a great many of my young years. Good thing is I was never programmed cuz I rejected that s*** from the start. In fact I asked the hard questions that the other kids were afraid to ask good questions like is there really a Santa Claus gossip be asked in religion like is there really a devil? The answer is yes the one that is inside of each and everyone of you this is the Christ is inside of each and everyone of you and every other thing in existence.
Hi, I'm new. I come from Telltale's side of the platform. I was raised pagan by my mom, became a wooy-fluffybunny in my late teens, graduated to sceptical agnostic and am now an atheist who still holds a lot of love and respect for my pagan roots. I'm distressed I've never been here before, especially if this is the content I have been missing xD
I am an atmospheric scientist and find it disturbing that many conservatives call it "climate worship", not to mention that it is diabolical that they take money from industries and do their bidding. The Federalist is chock full of science denial and utter horse manure politics, too. A full 99% of active climate scientists agree with the conclusion that human activities are the primary cause of the climate crisis. Anyone who disagrees with this is obviously wrong and is way out of their league. Plumbers have their areas of expertise and they deserve the respect for their skill at their trade, but you wouldn't ask a plumber what you should do to address a major medical issue. Asking non-climate scientists for their opinions and having fossil fuel-funded pundits and corporate PR hacks to comment on climatology is utterly bizarre and doesn't provide any balance. It actually injects massive amounts of bias.
This weird rhetoric around climate change science "still being unproven" reminds me a lot of the people who argue that Christian creationism (& no other theist positions) should be given equal air time in schools as evolutionary science, because the latter is apparently "just one theory"... Come to think of it, I suspect there's probably a pretty hefty overlap between those two groups! It's all about drawing false equivalences, and I fear that better educating & informing people BEFORE they reach that ossification of ideas does seem to be the only way to break the deadlock...? 🤔
Late to the party, but seems like the article is really reaching for their own agenda. When I think about "fluffy bunnies" it's people not acknowledging the shadows along with the "light" or when people practice witchcraft they don't believe in cursing like Silver Ravenwolf types.
@@joeysonofander7479 I'll explain how it's both sarcastic and serious. I'll explain the serious part first. Well both due to technicalities. Fascists in world war 2 generally have this keep to themselves ideaology where they believe in the country and trust in this strict hierarchical system of white male German supremacy even though there us no evidence of it working out, which spoiler alert it didn't. So them having faith isn't out of the question. Most of them happen to be christian after all so I doubt they weren't faithful. I am sure there were some nonreligious fascists, but there trust in the state and being blind to it's flaws can only occur if they had undying loyalty and faith in their leaders. Plus they have this weird nature supremacy thing that definitely could argued as faith wince there is no scientific backing to it and there is undying belief/loyalty in it. So yeah faith definitely had a part in it. Considering they gave jewish property to white people once the jewish people were treated like trash and the fact that the nazis were strict on marriage. It kinda screams Faith + Family + Flag = fascism. The sarcastic part of it is that it doesn't apply to everything. One can have all those elements and not be a fascist. The comment could be mocking the idea that following those steps leads to fascism. It doesn't. It's just that fascism has those elements. So "Faith + Family + Flag = Fascism" is technically both correct and incorrect depending on how you phrase it. If you mean that it inevitably leads to fascism you would be incorrect, which is one interpretation of the top comment we are discussing about and why it's mocking the idea of it equaling to fascism. If you mean that those traits define fascism under certain contexts you would be correct and that would be the serious interpretation of why it equals fascism. So to answer your original question of wheather it's sarcastic or serious. The answer is YES TO BOTH!
In a way I agree with the author, but as he sees it as a bad thing I think it is a good thing. I actually like the first quote, but I might be a bit of a radical :).
I’m an avid watcher but this is my first time commenting, and I’m curious about a quick comment you made in this video. That you don’t put much stock in Ragnarok as it was likely a Christian influenced story. I’ve been a Norse pagan for a little over a year and I’ve done some looking into Christian influence of our available retellings of the myths but this is something I’ve never thought of before.
My parents forced me to listen to the entire left behind series on audiobook. I was (and still am) a heathen, and it genuinely made latent christianity a lot worse. Not only did I fear hell, but also the rapture. Thankfully, I’m over that. Environmentalism is important. Thanks for the video (though it’s late).
I´m sorry, the point of the letter was "Audiatur et altera pars!" - the other side should be heard too. What is wrong with that? The fact that a dozen or so of the 500 scientists are members of Clintel does not warrant to dismiss their arguments, just like 13:56 , Greta should not be dismissed as well. That would be a fallacy I think. The author of the article, Sumantra Maitra, is ofc wrong in his statement that "the mainstream media completely ignored" the letter. Even in a croatian talkshow it and the 500 scientists were mentioned. However, with a twist: The journalist mentioned that one of the co-signers, an italian (btw. lots of italians on that list, full list is here: clintel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ED-brochureversieNWA4.pdf) , professor Franco Battaglia, is subject - allegedly - to a smear campaign in the media (my italian is very bad, so I can´t confirm that), and is called a "negationista". A term used for holocaust-deniers. In addition to that (again allegedly, can´t search for that in italian) an italian TV metereologist, Luca Mercalli, made a public statement that it is a good thing, this declaration of "negationists", as our young students, moved and touched by Greta Thunberg and fighting for their future will have available a signed list of their enemies... (I´m sure this was not a veiled call for violence and accidents can happen) So which side has it right? And how are we going to determine that, if the opposition is silenced by smear campaigns and argumentum ad hitlerum? Should I suspect bias because of financial ties? Maybe, but then I should also wonder if the selling of books (greta´s mother being the author) is not an incentive for bias? Publicity tours opens new markets (a croatian translation of her 2018 book is available since few days ago). I´m sure she made a pledge that all the profit goes into planting trees, didn´t she? I do think that the climate change activism is becoming slowly a cult, but ofc. has nothing to do with paganism. It seems the author doesn´t like climate change activism and also paganism and mixed the two happily together for no reason.
I've been called a Satanist because I'm an environmentalist. I tried to argue his claim using scripture. It was useless so I quit trying. I'm okay with being called whatever and I'll continue my pagan ways and protect the planet.
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Well, now this is an interesting plot twist. I always saw people saying something in these lines as a compliment, as something good. As "hey, we should turn to the views of our ancestors! they were more respectful of nature!" This is the first time I see someone using this line of thinking as a _bad_ thing. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
Hi What are your views on the Fenrir tale? I am struck by the fact that the Old Norse for 'wolf' actually occurs in the Old Norse for a murderer. So does a giant wolf represent a mass murderer or war? I am struck to by how the God Tyr tries to prevent Fenrir breaking loose or war breaking out by festering it with things that don't exist (with trickery?) and that war breaks out in any event. Is the point here that it is in mankind's nature to war? I'm pretty sure the Bible doesn't mention a fumblewinter lasting however many years, the likes of which might follow a giant meteorite strike with the dust blotting out the sun, or the eruptions of super volcanos, or a nuclear war. What are your thoughts here?
Ocean, I want to say first, great video! I think that many loud Christians won't take responsibility for the knowledge that was received, should they fundamentally believe that the story of Genesis is truth. Isee Genesis as something of myth, but mankind should still serve as stewards of the Earth, regardless of faith. It's the only home that we have. But these loud buzzards will not reciprocate what has been provided. Instead, they seem to want to put their fingers in their ears and leave it to YHWH. Their Calvinist faith has been twisted into coveting wealth, forgetting that they are part of the world and of the world. Is it a Sin to give a damn about those that carry on after us? Or to work alongside the environment and not just overconsuming the resources provided? It just does not make sense to me.
I'm a little late on the subject. I'm a struggling christian that finds what my fellow Christians do outright disturbing. The fact that genesis 1:26 through 28 are supposed to be translated as a stewardship role to care for the earth. People are literally destroying the very core of what I thought we were supposed to believe.
Caring about economic growth instead of the habitability of the planet is particularly stupid since if the planet is inhabitable, there will be no economic growth, and the less habitable the planet gets, at least to be on a certain point, the less economic growth will be able to have because will be living hand to mouth and have a gigantic refugee crisis. Now personally I'm not a particularly big fan of a centralized state approach to solving climate problems, but they need to be solved and I think that they can be without hurting our economic growth too much either, to be honest. We need to switch how we're doing transportation, we need to switch how we're generating power, and fix up a few other things and will be on our way, and the fact that renewables are already cheaper than fossil fuels if it weren't for the subsidies that fossil fuels are getting, and the fact that electric cars and so on are becoming very viable and somewhat cheap options, is a good sign for the future if we can only figure out how to keep it going and make the economy change. I think a big part of that has to be getting the government out of bed with the fossil fuel industry and the automotive industry, And I think we could also take a torque law approach to environmental stuff where people could make class action lawsuits against companies that are hurting the environment for any real damage that's been done to them.
Im a prepper and survivalist, me and the online circles im in love it when the ultra conservatives agree with everything we say, until we get to the part about global warming and the destruction of the environment being a real threat and reason to prep and should care about the environment, then they say that we're crazy. If we're crazy, we're crazy like a fox😊
Hmm ocean my term of the gods is the embodiment of human emotion and when you express that emotion you become a “champion” of that god for as long as you feel that feeling, does that make me new-agey to you?
I mean i believe in the gods, I just believe they abandoned humanity causing the god ideas( the embodiment of emotions to take over ( it’s also very scientific In terms of theory)
@@gryphonprovenzano3156 that would just be atheopaganism, which isn't especially any more or less scientific than polytheism. But your position would not be polytheist, nor reconstructionist. It would be something that's a very recently invented view on the gods.
Ok I see thanks for that take on it I believe in reconstructing paganism it’s just due to the fact we know the atom exists I feel it’s hard to explain the nature gods that way ( like Thor) when we know friction and physics are the cause that’s all
I also feel that each individual emotion is technically a god so idk I’m confused with myself as to if it is or isn’t I see it as I am polytheism but i don’t know if you think that
I also mean nature as in the planet not as in animals like living beings I feel that earth is a being seeing as like every being it is a large collective of smaller systems. I can rant and justify my beliefs as much as I like I’ll just say I think I’m pagan I’m I can explain it if you want me to
I find the idea of confessing to a plant charming. I might try that. I am trying to improve my relationship with the plant kingdom. But then, I was raised Catholic so the idea of confession isn't new to me. It's a Sacrament.
i find it funny on how many people claim to be pagan then prove that are the exact opposite its just a cool title to them and all they do is create havoc instead of finding solutions.
As a Christian and Environmental Scientist, we should be doing more to look after nature. Here are my unstructured thoughts... God reveals himself through nature as well as through direct spiritual revelation (Romans 1:20; Job 12:7-10). We are made of dust whereas God is purely spiritual, meaning we are the interface between the physical and the divine. Our principal role as humans was as gardeners of the Earth (Genesis 2), which is cool and pretty humbling in my opinion. As a culture, we have become increasingly disconnected from our environment, and seem to have forgotten this sacred duty. Historically, Chriatianity has focussed more on the 'subdue and rule nature' aspect, which is generally how it's perceived by non-Christians. And all services are conducted indoors whereas Jesus regularly taught outside and used metaphors from nature. My point is, perhaps in our efforts to avoid 'Paganism' at all costs we have thrown out the spiritual lessons that our environment can provide.
In Gail's defense, any scientist worth their salt will tell you that we've just left an ice age and are entering a period of warming that will eventually be catastrophic. They might disagree about whether it's human caused and the time scale of the event, but 100% it's happening.
Yup .. pretty much shoot you down if you dear to denie Jesus 🤦 Sword hand for Tyr Blood for Thor Heart for Freya Life for Odin Stay safe friends 👌 wise words and healing hands while we live in this life ❤
I wonder why some Christians don’t understand the Bible promotes environmentalist tenets. My spiritual/philosophical beliefs are Christian, I don’t really have religious beliefs.
"Secular" = having no religious or spiritual basis. Individuals can themselves be religious yet believe in secular laws and societal standards in contrast to theocratic ones.
Not really, it means that there arent religious groups with religious reasoned arguments influencing law and stuff, that also opress other religions. You can totally be a secular christian. Or a christian advocating for a secular lawmaking.
i guess that im a pagan then since i am an enviromentalist... i just don´t belive in any gods, or anything supernatural and i don´t do any rituals... wait now again how am i a pagan again... Also hail Mor the lord of darkness and master of shadown (this is a joke don´t take it seriously Mor as far as i know only exist in my poorly written world that i use for rollplaying with my friends (and in the poorly writen book i am writing))
As a Swede I dislike Thunberg, she is a child being raised to the top, when she says "listen to the scientists" everyone claps, but nobody listens to them. The Swedish government is just bad, we don't subsidise our oil, we are taxed so heavily that our gas costs more than half of the price, and they are trying to raise it further. Instead of working with projects like Carbon Capture with big factories and making solar power more used in the more sunny areas like africa and south america to save the trees being chopped down there they would rather spend all that money on making us waste fuel.
Not a fan that he keeps saying 'Christians' as a one word fits all term. There are Christians out there (myself included) that care about the environment and take care of the earth because it is something that we believe our God created. This guy's your using as a reference point is disappointing to me as he doesn't reflect the transformation that modern Christianity has gone through. It has become more accepting of other traditions and less destructive towards other people's and more inclusive. These ideas that people have of Christianity are archaic and barbaric and it hurts when people criticise it so viscerally.
In one view or multiple branches of Christianity, they teach humans are the care takers of the Earth, and with effort and devotion We can create our own gardens of Eden. I mostly got that from farmers in the 1990's. They had " pet " skunks, bob cats, and even coyotes. It was simple, their dogs didn't everything smaller than themselves. And they could be house trained. So I hate cops that think they can out right shoot coyotes cause there is no law against it. Coyotes keep the field raccoon populations in check, then again raccoons do eat dogs.
Ocean I don't know if other people have told you this or you found it out yourself, but I do find it funny that this video has the Climate change warning on it now. UA-cam is funny at times.
Pagans care more about nature than Christians do in my opinion. But during the Viking age I cannot defend just how many forests were destroyed for their voyages.
Kinda baffles me that Christians think Earth is disposable, cause God's gonna yeet them to heaven but the babies they like to pop out have to stay on the same planet 🤦♀️
I think it is telling to me that this guy uses Greta Thunberg as a scapegoat in this argument and not like. An actual outwardly young pagan environmentalists like Autumn Peltier. That means he's just overtly not actually looking a connection that might be had to any kind of religion or spirituality and just trying to find a way to discredit the people he happens to know about.
As a real pagan I feel pretty good that people claim that we are the only ones caring about the earth
XD yeah! What a nice reputation to have
The Joan of Arc point made my blood boil for some reason. It's tragic how even to this day, Christians view her with such vile vitriol when she fought so hard for her religion, Christianity. Which, mind you, ultimately killed her in the end, cause of the nasty gender roles in the Bible.
And she sounds kinda like she might be trans and used righfully her faith ?! But yes she rather dies presumelythan to conform to presumed gender roles.
Well, sh was Catholic, a Catholic saint. And Catholicism is about a half-step away from devil worship for Evangelicals.
I don’t so much mind Faith and Family...but Flag bothers me for some reason...
It would take a much longer comment than my current headache will allow, but the icky feeling of equating “where I was born” with “what I believe” and “who I love” remains.
Again, I think the issue is blind patriotism vs a healthy love of country.
I refer you to this Beau of the Fifth Column t-shirt: teespring.com/en-GB/shop/gps-coordinates-7884?pid=389&cid=100029
As for the flag, I wonder which one he means. Unionist? Confederate? Rhodesian?
I was on the fence about joining extinction rebellion until you said it was a psychedelic apocalyptic cult that twerks. Now I'm totally sure I want to
"faith, flag and family" sounds a lot like a theocratic version of "blood and soil"
as an atheist pagan, i fully endorse environmentalism.
How are you pagan but also atheist? That undermines the entire point of being pagan.
@@corypowercat7277 Maybe they mean Wiccan? Wiccans sometimes use Pagan as an umbrella term, but other than that I have no idea
@@corypowercat7277 because i don't need to believe that gods are real beings in order to venerate them. earlier humans invented gods in order to describe the complex relationships found in nature.
@Cory PowerCat i know i am late, but the “point” of paganism is, at least to me, the worship of nature. it always has been. the earliest pagans worshipped nature, but since they didn’t understand a lot about it, they created deities to humanize it.
i am an agnostic pagan, which is pretty close to atheistic paganism. as such, i don’t concern myself with deities. i worship nature, not a personification of it.
sorry if this is badly explained, english is not my first language.
As an ethnically Jewish atheist Muslim who is a Brahmin and knows how to carry celebrate Mass I am inclined to agree.
Im Danish and grew up in a tradition of Protestantism and Norse mythology…. One of the best things - speaking from a belief side of things - in Denmark is that we don’t flaunt our faith, it just is a part of, if not daily, then at least seasonal life…
Most Danes attend church very sparingly - we get babtised, which only requires a talk with the priest for the parents, and that the godparents are there - then we get confirmed - that requires most of a school year of attending 2 hours a week of ‘Bible study’ - and then we get married and buried at the church…
If most of ‘us’ attend beyond that it’s for a Christmas sermon, but that’s mostly traditional ;)
Now - I’m an atheist - but willing to learn about religion - and here it’s totally ok to be atheist, pagan, heathen or Muslim… you can have what ever faith you choose!! What is NOT ok is to use your faith to bash other with!!!
So with that in mind, I’m glad I’m danish!! - and religion is just one part of why, but it’s actually pretty great to live in peace side by side with any other religion!
"twerking is hot" _shrug_ to each their own I guess, butts just don't do much for me.
I'm into butts, if I'm honest. To each their own indeed.
You must be gay
if you freeze the video at 14 min 04 secs - and squint at Greta Thunberg, a really scary thing happens.
She turns into Ben Shapiro.
It's like she's the anti-Shapiro.
Dare we call her an anti-Shapiro hero? ;)
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we dare.
Something Facts something Logic
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let's say made up scenario, let's speak too fast
You give her far too much credit.
I for one am bound by many F words.
*Frick.*
I honestly think God/Allah might be either Loki or Baldr the more I think about it. Also, I was very moved by Greta's speech it's a shame so many are making fun of her.
When it comes to the Earth I feel like we're making the Hulder and other spirits weep, angry, or dead.
@Radagast wow that went right over your head didn't it.
Allow me to explain. Some pagans and atheists believe that if the Abrahamic god is real that this god is probably a god of chaos. Due to what they have commanded their followers to do. Hence Loki.
Does that make sense or do you need another woosh?
@@corypowercat7277 Loki is more laid back then any Christian and he gets his kicks from other questioning their reality. He doesn't want you to hide from the truth just to laugh at what ever you think is true at a given time. So no sin shaming.
On the other hand he is more than willing to guide you down the path of your own suffering such as Germany during WW II. Please look up the Werewolf Soldiers they were given offerings and battle prayers to Loki wife.
@@krispalermo8133 Wait, what is this about Werewolf Soldiers?
@@joeysonofander7479 There was a WW II German special forces unit called " Were Wolf," and they offer prayers to Angrboda the Wolf Mother/ Bringer of Sorrows. Information on them can be found on YT.
@@krispalermo8133 Very interesting, I will have to look into that.
As an Environmental Scientist and Pagan the discussion about the climate crisis is so frustrating. The fact that we haven't completely switched to sustainable sources of energy production is 100% due to the greed of fossil fuel companies and the government officials whose pockets they fill. Que internal screaming on the daily.
Aright time to riot lol
Humanity and its prospering is of greater value then your mystic pagan belifs regarding nature.
@OP-01 I've cared about the environment since I was a child and also very Christian so it has nothing to do with my "mystic Pagan beliefs" but with basic human decency and science (again I have a degree on the subject). The oil industry also doesn't cause any to truly prosper except those who run the companies that benefit from it. Please get a life and stop digging through years old comments on years old videos to voice your uneducated opinions.
@@hannahbrooks6174 My life at this moment in time is really not that sunny.
Regardless
I have always wanted to entartain a argument with a pagan who has a "degree in ScIEnCE"
@@hannahbrooks6174 Regarding oil, everybody benefits, as it drives society onwards
Infact because of taxes and burocratic laws people suffer from lack of it.
Your videos make me want to learn more about your beliefs and also finish playing Jotun
Loved this one. The article was such reactionary drivel I couldn't make sense of it so this helped me understand what the FUCK it was going on about. And makes very clear that the author has never met a pagan, lol
i would honestly argue that secularism is the idea of seperating religion from the political process and the state allowing for the state to be compleatly unbiased in regards to religion, (this includes seperating atheism (even if atheism is just the lack of belif in any gods) from the political process as well) rather then seperating religion and spirituality from society allthogheter, but i guess we have diffrent deifinitions of the term secularist.
The extinction rebellion is literally just "We might all die soon, we don't really like that."
I still think menopausal metaphysical crystal crunchers is better than fluffy bunnies or midlife crisis crystal crunchers
At this moment we're gonna break the internet.
Let's at least try to break the internet with zero emissions, okay?
Brilliant, absolutely love this. I work in social care in North East England and your videos are helping me promote and explain Paganism in an intelligent, honest and balanced way. Great stuff.
Addressing Bradbrook directly, her current problem is that she still sees society as rational and capable of changing its behavior in the face of rational arguments. Unfortunately, that is not how human society works. We are headed for a near-extinction event, but we will ride the collapse of the environment all the way down until it collapses our society--then we'll adapt. The law that governs that is "Adaptability is inversely proportional to the level of specific adaptation," and our society is highly adapted to its old environment.
The fundamentalist Christian rejection of environmentalism confuses the hell out of me and did so even when I was a Christian (and Catholicism is Christian, fight me).
The idea is that the earth is a gift from our Heavenly Father so wouldn’t it make it more sense to treat the earth with _more_ respect? The way you treat a gift is how you treat the one that gifted to you and your relationship to them after all.
Why are Christians so disrespectful towards their god I’ll never understand.
Perhaps it's because they fear him and don't love him in reality. After all how can you love what you fear? As Yoda would say.
"Fear is the path to the darkside. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
While his fictional the words are true from careful observation.
Even though I am not a christian, but an agnostic I can still recognize a human need for religion. Not all humans need religion, but that doesn't mean none do.
Fundamentalist conservative christianity is junk food compared to most religions. It's not healthy for the brain at all. It leads to suffering on earth, because of their fear in their deity and as such hate him. They don't want to deal with him, but believe they must. I have a feeling it's a little more like a love-hate relationship than anything else though.
Honestly I would hate the fundamentalist christian version of God too considering how fucking abnormally evil he is.
@@thoughtaddict2739 Although I don’t agree that religion is actually necessary for anyone and I generally think that Jedi philosophy to be impractical and unhealthy I agree with your post. I especially like the part where you compare Christianity to fast food, hahah.
@@mikelapine1 Though I generally agree that the jedi philosophy about emotions are extremely flawed. In fact their approach to emotions is suppressing it, which inevitably leads to an over reaction later on. Anakin Skywalker's an example of that.
Greta Thunberg is the latest incarnation of the Avatar of the Mother Goddess? Cool!
Addedum: Actually, I guess she would be the Maiden Goddess?
Yes, a warrior maiden like Athena. People do compare her to Joan of Arc, but as a compliment. Teen girl on an inspired mission to save something. The comparison is apt.
The amount of glee in your voice from speaking the first sentence of the video makes me happy. 🤣🤣🤣
I found you via telltale. Loved the video!
I’m glad you did!
Even though I’m a Catholic personally. I do agree so whole hearty we need and must care for the environment. I really wished we just worked together more. Christian are crazy if they think we shouldn’t care. I’m Catholic and I also think homosexuality is ok and that is something I’ll be called a heretic or put to the stake if I shared that :/ which I did, too bad. I believe Kids and procreation are a blessing to marriage, not necessary. I just believe people need to raise good kids who care for others and their world (Ehm environment). And this is not me trying to “fit” in to society. In fact if people do cared about this world and And So Afraid of hell, we should be more afraid of the hell that could come on earth than the afterlife. (Ehm yes Im a hopeful universalist) so yay let’s gooooi!
The best line: "Christians are so f***ing weird!"
Says the tree hugging pagan
Christianity is unintuitive, thank you for putting a word to what I've always felt as someone who was raised without any religion.
Dude, great video and your take on this is bang on.... along with your snark! 😆
If you're Protestant, Joan of Arc, being Catholic, *is* Pagan according to the Thumpers that raised me. Venerating a saint = idolatry. (And "idolatry" might be the only 4-syllable word my mother actually knows.) I mean, if some Fundie is going to be exclusionary, we might as well get ALL the Groups they hate into one article, right? These people make my head hurt. You make me laugh and help me learn, which I appreciate Brother. Be well.
That reminds me of something my mother told me of: years ago, my mother was told (by a Baptist I believe) that she was going to Hell for being Catholic. There is a reason she is not fond of Baptists.
@@joeysonofander7479 I've been told that too by Baptists. Very intolerant people.
The Three Fs reminds me of my dad's side of the family. They're the perfect definition.
Fluffy bunnies? So Wiccans? Also nice Castlevania clip.
Some wiccans. Wicca definitely has a fluffy bunny infestation.
3:45 I laughed way more than I should have...
that's the dumbest joke I made, lol
@@OceanKeltoi that's fine. I ended up here because of the G-cat video and Hammered out. Your (with lack of a better term) laid back approach is pretty cool.
Considering that magic is fundamentally persuasive in nature, where does prayer end and spell casting begin?
Reconstructionist = pagan nerd gave me a legit soda spit take. I choked from laughing so hard and idek why.
The snark in this one is beautifully on point. Great work.
I mean hes not wrong, you become a slight history buff and religion buff researching and doing reconstruction
I think in Christianity we are the offering so offerings aren’t done, but when I was Christian I was a bad one anyway so I could be wrong.
Well, people keep telling me that Christians are against human sacrifice.
Ocean Keltoi Not exactly, but in a way, not to kill. See, I want to believe (I know now this is wrong because the god of the bible is a cruel narcissist who made us to worship him) that God wanted us to be his kids or family and when we say Jesus come into my heart and be my friend and my family that is the sacrifice. I guess that isn’t a huge sacrifice but his burden is easy and yoke is light. :)
I don't suppose you know of other folks of pagan traditions on youtube you could signal-boost? I'd love to get more on this particular perspective.
There honestly aren’t very many. Reason why I’ve been jumping in.
- styx and Stonehenge
- xacto guru
- arith harger
Well at least in my case my love for Mother Nature and for fantasy fiction in mythology is what brought me to my dedication to the Great Goddess as I would not have even known of her existence otherwise being brought up in the judeo-christian world with a Christian family that went to church every Sunday some 4 a great many of my young years. Good thing is I was never programmed cuz I rejected that s*** from the start. In fact I asked the hard questions that the other kids were afraid to ask good questions like is there really a Santa Claus gossip be asked in religion like is there really a devil? The answer is yes the one that is inside of each and everyone of you this is the Christ is inside of each and everyone of you and every other thing in existence.
Hi, I'm new. I come from Telltale's side of the platform. I was raised pagan by my mom, became a wooy-fluffybunny in my late teens, graduated to sceptical agnostic and am now an atheist who still holds a lot of love and respect for my pagan roots. I'm distressed I've never been here before, especially if this is the content I have been missing xD
7:29 Ocean did I hear that right? Funeral for a glacier?
All of this video is good. Make more like this.
I am an atmospheric scientist and find it disturbing that many conservatives call it "climate worship", not to mention that it is diabolical that they take money from industries and do their bidding. The Federalist is chock full of science denial and utter horse manure politics, too. A full 99% of active climate scientists agree with the conclusion that human activities are the primary cause of the climate crisis. Anyone who disagrees with this is obviously wrong and is way out of their league. Plumbers have their areas of expertise and they deserve the respect for their skill at their trade, but you wouldn't ask a plumber what you should do to address a major medical issue. Asking non-climate scientists for their opinions and having fossil fuel-funded pundits and corporate PR hacks to comment on climatology is utterly bizarre and doesn't provide any balance. It actually injects massive amounts of bias.
This weird rhetoric around climate change science "still being unproven" reminds me a lot of the people who argue that Christian creationism (& no other theist positions) should be given equal air time in schools as evolutionary science, because the latter is apparently "just one theory"... Come to think of it, I suspect there's probably a pretty hefty overlap between those two groups! It's all about drawing false equivalences, and I fear that better educating & informing people BEFORE they reach that ossification of ideas does seem to be the only way to break the deadlock...? 🤔
Late to the party, but seems like the article is really reaching for their own agenda.
When I think about "fluffy bunnies" it's people not acknowledging the shadows along with the "light" or when people practice witchcraft they don't believe in cursing like Silver Ravenwolf types.
Faith + Family + Flag = Fascism!
Was that meant to be serious or sarcastic?
@@joeysonofander7479 Yes.
@@thoughtaddict2739 To which one?
And yes, I recognize the meme.
@@joeysonofander7479
I'll explain how it's both sarcastic and serious.
I'll explain the serious part first.
Well both due to technicalities. Fascists in world war 2 generally have this keep to themselves ideaology where they believe in the country and trust in this strict hierarchical system of white male German supremacy even though there us no evidence of it working out, which spoiler alert it didn't. So them having faith isn't out of the question. Most of them happen to be christian after all so I doubt they weren't faithful. I am sure there were some nonreligious fascists, but there trust in the state and being blind to it's flaws can only occur if they had undying loyalty and faith in their leaders. Plus they have this weird nature supremacy thing that definitely could argued as faith wince there is no scientific backing to it and there is undying belief/loyalty in it. So yeah faith definitely had a part in it.
Considering they gave jewish property to white people once the jewish people were treated like trash and the fact that the nazis were strict on marriage.
It kinda screams Faith + Family + Flag = fascism.
The sarcastic part of it is that it doesn't apply to everything. One can have all those elements and not be a fascist. The comment could be mocking the idea that following those steps leads to fascism. It doesn't.
It's just that fascism has those elements. So "Faith + Family + Flag = Fascism" is technically both correct and incorrect depending on how you phrase it. If you mean that it inevitably leads to fascism you would be incorrect, which is one interpretation of the top comment we are discussing about and why it's mocking the idea of it equaling to fascism. If you mean that those traits define fascism under certain contexts you would be correct and that would be the serious interpretation of why it equals fascism.
So to answer your original question of wheather it's sarcastic or serious. The answer is YES TO BOTH!
@@thoughtaddict2739 Makes sense, thank you for enlightening me.
In a way I agree with the author, but as he sees it as a bad thing I think it is a good thing. I actually like the first quote, but I might be a bit of a radical :).
I’m an avid watcher but this is my first time commenting, and I’m curious about a quick comment you made in this video. That you don’t put much stock in Ragnarok as it was likely a Christian influenced story. I’ve been a Norse pagan for a little over a year and I’ve done some looking into Christian influence of our available retellings of the myths but this is something I’ve never thought of before.
You hit the nail on the head Thor style on this one brother
My parents forced me to listen to the entire left behind series on audiobook. I was (and still am) a heathen, and it genuinely made latent christianity a lot worse. Not only did I fear hell, but also the rapture. Thankfully, I’m over that. Environmentalism is important. Thanks for the video (though it’s late).
Yay! I'm a pagan!
Holy shit. You could feed an entire cavalry with the amount of straw with those strawmen in that video
Fluffy bunny is so adorable. Me and my friends say "wanna blessed be"🤣
I´m sorry, the point of the letter was "Audiatur et altera pars!" - the other side should be heard too. What is wrong with that?
The fact that a dozen or so of the 500 scientists are members of Clintel does not warrant to dismiss their arguments, just like 13:56 , Greta should not be dismissed as well. That would be a fallacy I think.
The author of the article, Sumantra Maitra, is ofc wrong in his statement that "the mainstream media completely ignored" the letter.
Even in a croatian talkshow it and the 500 scientists were mentioned. However, with a twist:
The journalist mentioned that one of the co-signers, an italian (btw. lots of italians on that list, full list is here: clintel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ED-brochureversieNWA4.pdf) ,
professor Franco Battaglia, is subject - allegedly - to a smear campaign in the media (my italian is very bad, so I can´t confirm that), and is called a "negationista". A term used for holocaust-deniers.
In addition to that (again allegedly, can´t search for that in italian) an italian TV metereologist, Luca Mercalli, made a public statement that it is a good thing, this declaration of "negationists", as our young students, moved and touched by Greta Thunberg and fighting for their future will have available a signed list of their enemies... (I´m sure this was not a veiled call for violence and accidents can happen)
So which side has it right? And how are we going to determine that, if the opposition is silenced by smear campaigns and argumentum ad hitlerum?
Should I suspect bias because of financial ties? Maybe, but then I should also wonder if the selling of books (greta´s mother being the author) is not an incentive for bias? Publicity tours opens new markets (a croatian translation of her 2018 book is available since few days ago). I´m sure she made a pledge that all the profit goes into planting trees, didn´t she?
I do think that the climate change activism is becoming slowly a cult, but ofc. has nothing to do with paganism. It seems the author doesn´t like climate change activism and also paganism and mixed the two happily together for no reason.
I wonder how the atheistic Christians feel. They're definitely not "dirty Pagans".
One could think that conservatist would love nature - the creation. The most natural of natural systems 🤷♂️
please do a video on what comes from paganism and christianity like not just holidays too but traditions
Dracula believes in God
I confessed my sins to my lawn and it turned into a desert waste land. Made yard-work a BREEZE!
I've been called a Satanist because I'm an environmentalist. I tried to argue his claim using scripture. It was useless so I quit trying. I'm okay with being called whatever and I'll continue my pagan ways and protect the planet.
Well, now this is an interesting plot twist. I always saw people saying something in these lines as a compliment, as something good. As "hey, we should turn to the views of our ancestors! they were more respectful of nature!"
This is the first time I see someone using this line of thinking as a _bad_ thing.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
Hi
What are your views on the Fenrir tale?
I am struck by the fact that the Old Norse for 'wolf' actually occurs in the Old Norse for a murderer. So does a giant wolf represent a mass murderer or war?
I am struck to by how the God Tyr tries to prevent Fenrir breaking loose or war breaking out by festering it with things that don't exist (with trickery?) and that war breaks out in any event.
Is the point here that it is in mankind's nature to war?
I'm pretty sure the Bible doesn't mention a fumblewinter lasting however many years, the likes of which might follow a giant meteorite strike with the dust blotting out the sun, or the eruptions of super volcanos, or a nuclear war.
What are your thoughts here?
Guess I'm a pagan now
Ocean, I want to say first, great video! I think that many loud Christians won't take responsibility for the knowledge that was received, should they fundamentally believe that the story of Genesis is truth. Isee Genesis as something of myth, but mankind should still serve as stewards of the Earth, regardless of faith. It's the only home that we have. But these loud buzzards will not reciprocate what has been provided. Instead, they seem to want to put their fingers in their ears and leave it to YHWH. Their Calvinist faith has been twisted into coveting wealth, forgetting that they are part of the world and of the world. Is it a Sin to give a damn about those that carry on after us? Or to work alongside the environment and not just overconsuming the resources provided? It just does not make sense to me.
Great vid
I'm a little late on the subject. I'm a struggling christian that finds what my fellow Christians do outright disturbing. The fact that genesis 1:26 through 28 are supposed to be translated as a stewardship role to care for the earth. People are literally destroying the very core of what I thought we were supposed to believe.
I really dig the Castlevania clips. 👍
Caring about economic growth instead of the habitability of the planet is particularly stupid since if the planet is inhabitable, there will be no economic growth, and the less habitable the planet gets, at least to be on a certain point, the less economic growth will be able to have because will be living hand to mouth and have a gigantic refugee crisis.
Now personally I'm not a particularly big fan of a centralized state approach to solving climate problems, but they need to be solved and I think that they can be without hurting our economic growth too much either, to be honest. We need to switch how we're doing transportation, we need to switch how we're generating power, and fix up a few other things and will be on our way, and the fact that renewables are already cheaper than fossil fuels if it weren't for the subsidies that fossil fuels are getting, and the fact that electric cars and so on are becoming very viable and somewhat cheap options, is a good sign for the future if we can only figure out how to keep it going and make the economy change. I think a big part of that has to be getting the government out of bed with the fossil fuel industry and the automotive industry, And I think we could also take a torque law approach to environmental stuff where people could make class action lawsuits against companies that are hurting the environment for any real damage that's been done to them.
Im a prepper and survivalist, me and the online circles im in love it when the ultra conservatives agree with everything we say, until we get to the part about global warming and the destruction of the environment being a real threat and reason to prep and should care about the environment, then they say that we're crazy. If we're crazy, we're crazy like a fox😊
13:40 it have actually some pagan background, virginty had/have some value in pagan religions (like Vestal Virgins).
So we can't make money off cleaning up the environment?
Would be nice if we could go for that goal. If it can be made profitable, awesome. But that shouldn't be the standard to do so.
@@OceanKeltoi Well if his is how they got to be convinced then so be it.
If it works to get the job done then lets convince then with their pockets.
Would one way to go there slowly, but oil companies and co have a lot lobbying mones
Matt Powell is obviously a gargantuan satchel of Richards.
Hmm ocean my term of the gods is the embodiment of human emotion and when you express that emotion you become a “champion” of that god for as long as you feel that feeling, does that make me new-agey to you?
I mean i believe in the gods, I just believe they abandoned humanity causing the god ideas( the embodiment of emotions to take over ( it’s also very scientific In terms of theory)
@@gryphonprovenzano3156 that would just be atheopaganism, which isn't especially any more or less scientific than polytheism. But your position would not be polytheist, nor reconstructionist. It would be something that's a very recently invented view on the gods.
Ok I see thanks for that take on it I believe in reconstructing paganism it’s just due to the fact we know the atom exists I feel it’s hard to explain the nature gods that way ( like Thor) when we know friction and physics are the cause that’s all
I also feel that each individual emotion is technically a god so idk I’m confused with myself as to if it is or isn’t I see it as I am polytheism but i don’t know if you think that
I also mean nature as in the planet not as in animals like living beings I feel that earth is a being seeing as like every being it is a large collective of smaller systems. I can rant and justify my beliefs as much as I like I’ll just say I think I’m pagan I’m I can explain it if you want me to
I find the idea of confessing to a plant charming. I might try that. I am trying to improve my relationship with the plant kingdom. But then, I was raised Catholic so the idea of confession isn't new to me. It's a Sacrament.
Ha! Good to hear I'm not the only one recognizing that we're in the 6th Extinction
i find it funny on how many people claim to be pagan then prove that are the exact opposite its just a cool title to them and all they do is create havoc instead of finding solutions.
"...Fcking snowflakes..." he said under his breath, and in turn cause me to spew my tea out through my nose, laughing my azz off....
As a Christian and Environmental Scientist, we should be doing more to look after nature. Here are my unstructured thoughts...
God reveals himself through nature as well as through direct spiritual revelation (Romans 1:20; Job 12:7-10). We are made of dust whereas God is purely spiritual, meaning we are the interface between the physical and the divine. Our principal role as humans was as gardeners of the Earth (Genesis 2), which is cool and pretty humbling in my opinion.
As a culture, we have become increasingly disconnected from our environment, and seem to have forgotten this sacred duty. Historically, Chriatianity has focussed more on the 'subdue and rule nature' aspect, which is generally how it's perceived by non-Christians. And all services are conducted indoors whereas Jesus regularly taught outside and used metaphors from nature.
My point is, perhaps in our efforts to avoid 'Paganism' at all costs we have thrown out the spiritual lessons that our environment can provide.
In Gail's defense, any scientist worth their salt will tell you that we've just left an ice age and are entering a period of warming that will eventually be catastrophic. They might disagree about whether it's human caused and the time scale of the event, but 100% it's happening.
Great video. I'm just curious about what cartoon is that at 11:39 ? I wanna watch it
It looked like Castlevania.
Yup .. pretty much shoot you down if you dear to denie Jesus 🤦
Sword hand for Tyr
Blood for Thor
Heart for Freya
Life for Odin
Stay safe friends 👌 wise words and healing hands while we live in this life ❤
This is part of the reason I left Conservatism and moved to a more libertarian / left of center approach.
Does anyone have resources for someone who's interested in pagan practices?
I’m fucking crying right now 😂
Thanks!
Coming in a year later here, but let's not leave that lie please? That would be fascinating.
I wonder why some Christians don’t understand the Bible promotes environmentalist tenets. My spiritual/philosophical beliefs are Christian, I don’t really have religious beliefs.
Whaaaaaaaat? But doesn't secular totally mean not Christian? /S
"Secular" = having no religious or spiritual basis.
Individuals can themselves be religious yet believe in secular laws and societal standards in contrast to theocratic ones.
Not really, it means that there arent religious groups with religious reasoned arguments influencing law and stuff, that also opress other religions.
You can totally be a secular christian. Or a christian advocating for a secular lawmaking.
@@marocat4749 I know. Guess I should've put /s
i guess that im a pagan then since i am an enviromentalist... i just don´t belive in any gods, or anything supernatural and i don´t do any rituals... wait now again how am i a pagan again... Also hail Mor the lord of darkness and master of shadown (this is a joke don´t take it seriously Mor as far as i know only exist in my poorly written world that i use for rollplaying with my friends (and in the poorly writen book i am writing))
I really always find myself wanting to live in the world that right-wing conspiracists think we live in.
Ocean is my idea "male" partner.. Hot, intelligent, and intriguing..
Average Christian to God: Your so great! Here's a list of things I want and need you to do.
What is the show at 11:45 ?
As a Swede I dislike Thunberg, she is a child being raised to the top, when she says "listen to the scientists" everyone claps, but nobody listens to them.
The Swedish government is just bad, we don't subsidise our oil, we are taxed so heavily that our gas costs more than half of the price, and they are trying to raise it further. Instead of working with projects like Carbon Capture with big factories and making solar power more used in the more sunny areas like africa and south america to save the trees being chopped down there they would rather spend all that money on making us waste fuel.
I dislike the mess her followers make. Followers not believers.
Ah, yes, I remember when I went to the climate strike and we all twerked to honor gaia. Good times, good times.
The Christian attitude about the world being a disposable playground may doom us all.
Not a fan that he keeps saying 'Christians' as a one word fits all term. There are Christians out there (myself included) that care about the environment and take care of the earth because it is something that we believe our God created. This guy's your using as a reference point is disappointing to me as he doesn't reflect the transformation that modern Christianity has gone through. It has become more accepting of other traditions and less destructive towards other people's and more inclusive. These ideas that people have of Christianity are archaic and barbaric and it hurts when people criticise it so viscerally.
In one view or multiple branches of Christianity, they teach humans are the care takers of the Earth, and with effort and devotion We can create our own gardens of Eden.
I mostly got that from farmers in the 1990's. They had " pet " skunks, bob cats, and even coyotes. It was simple, their dogs didn't everything smaller than themselves. And they could be house trained. So I hate cops that think they can out right shoot coyotes cause there is no law against it. Coyotes keep the field raccoon populations in check, then again raccoons do eat dogs.
Hell yeah Ocean! Wait though you forgot to pay homage to the Almighty God....his name is Chemosh Duhhh
Ocean I don't know if other people have told you this or you found it out yourself, but I do find it funny that this video has the Climate change warning on it now. UA-cam is funny at times.
why do people think Sargon is on the political right? I've listened to him for years and never considered him right wing, more left wing
Pagans care more about nature than Christians do in my opinion. But during the Viking age I cannot defend just how many forests were destroyed for their voyages.
Environmentalism isn't pagan, but (most) paganism is environmentalist.
Kinda baffles me that Christians think Earth is disposable, cause God's gonna yeet them to heaven but the babies they like to pop out have to stay on the same planet 🤦♀️