why bring others down, let the groups who top charts top becuz u won't keep them from doing so, superm didn't do anything wrong it is a marketing tactic and it is pretty common; don't spread hate you can really hurt them and you might be responsible for the death of someone from the group so stop
I just want to say that ARMY has actually been talking about the bundling issue for a while. SuperM isn't what made us start. We're just louder now because it was more blantant in your face and obvious that was how they got it. I actually like music from their main groups and the members of SuperM. I think it does the artists a disservice when they only get to the top thanks to these tactics.
Fyi: Danny I've never hated you, or disagreed with you on your kpop opinions. You keep it real and say what everyone is thinking but, because of cyber bullying nobody has the guts to say. Thanks for being brave! Love you guys. 💗
Facts. I hate that he always has to apologize just for being real about his opinion. I don't believe he's ever insulted looks, weight, intelligence or anything. It's just his opinion on his own taste. It's kind of ridiculous he has to hold himself back because people want to coddle their favs
Agree I like that he has an opinion on things, it give me a fresh perspective. I also really hate how some people would take up for him when he said something about others but time he said something bout their groups they on some other stuff. Also they misquote a lot of things he said. I be like were we watching the same thing. Anyway, Danny hope you keep being you.
Yesssss!! If anything, Danny always gives me a stomachache from laughing too much. Which is a good thing cause you're boosting my endorphins production!! Stay real and stay true Danny ^^
British footballer married to Victoria Beckham who is better known as POSH SPICE from spice girls , the biggest Girl band ever , they were together 4 years and in just 4 years sold over 89 million albums , and through comebacks topped that figure up to over 100 million albums ,had 9 censecutive No 1 s , they had comeback twice and each comeback concerts sold out in minutes , Victoria is also owner of Victoria's secret fashion label , David Beckham I don't know what he does now as I believe he retired from football , lol
Andrea Rincon You still shouldn’t care. Before kpop, artists who made it on any chart did so because they were making bomb ass relatable music. With kpop, it isn’t even about the song. It’s bragging rights. There’s no pride in earning titles if your music sucks ass.
Im with you. Yes it hurts how the industry works. And i think army is just mad at the system/company not at the group. And are calling for a change. But at the end of the day, i love bts. And i am happy with how successful they are. They success is their own. And they deserve all of it 😢💜
I think Danny is literally one of my favourite internet personalities lol. I dont necessarily agree with a some of what he says but it's so refreshing to see someone like him. I love david too, but he's so considerate and kind, but Danny is like "hold my beer," and goes out guns a-blazing. My man Spits The Truth!!
@@ChatiseE exactly! I also really appreciate how he's also not that hard headed that he doesn't admit when he's wrong! His video about cultural appropriation and he explained his journey of understanding the topic. Also he's very candid about a lot topics many people want to tip toe around ⚡
I disagree w him a lot but he's entitled to having his opinions. Those childish stans need to learn how to debate if they disagree w him instead of just out right call him names etc
They aren't at fault, but I think they should help the tattoo company with hunting down those haters even if they do so quietly. It's the right thing to do.
They aren't fault but as they said human to human a really shitty move to cut it off, the tattoo artist didn't ask jungkook specifically to come at their place and get that tattoo due to which all shit happened. They are going through a lot and even though technically bighit doesn't need to help them, but they could have as a moral ethic. Don't always blindly back everything related to your favs.
@@devin1563 i couldn't care less about football either ( i don't care about any professional sports) but i still know who beckham is. same for ronaldo or messi. their names are just part of larger pop culture knowledge vs just sports only. i probably agree that most people that don't know are too young or completely unaware of pop/entertainment culture.
@@npcimknot958 They're actually EARNING 'moneeeeeeey' thru marketing which if there were no one to actually buy it, would be a disaster economically! So, it is competitive in every way!
I love how we are describing this bundling stuff as legitimate business tactics and also "gaming the system" and "shady ass shit." 😂 Nicki Minaj actually had a very public blow up over it last year and Billboard has said that they are changing the rules to restrict bundling for next year. I think Danny is right in that it calls the legitimacy of the chart into question. In which case, why congratulate anyone for their position on the chart? Unless you are congratulating them for effective marketing tactics and not music sales, it's meaningless. I think the biggest frustration for fans of BTS (and other artists who don't use these tactics) is that it cheapens their achievement BECAUSE it devalues the chart. SuperM had over 60 BUNDLE OPTIONS. They 100% aren't the only ones doing this, but it's just getting outrageous in how bad it's gotten. I want to see Korean music grow in popularity in the US, but it's turned into a total cash grab and it's going to kill the longevity for Korean groups in the market.
I agree. It's not because I love BTS that this annoys me; it's because I love K-pop. It's taken years to get this music taken seriously in the States and I feel like superm is going to blow all of the credibility in one gross swoop. I've already had friends of mine pointing out the NYTimes article about SM being shady as a sign that K-pop isn't legit. This may seem like a silly little marketing strategy but it could be a real problem down the road.
AVDisco06 Such a great explanation of why there is a lot of frustration over this. Literally Billboard should just take the bundling shit out and purely base it off of Album sales and streaming. After all this is all about Music from the first place and not Merch. If Merch is that important over music, Billboard should make a separate chart for the No. 1 Merch Sales and one chart for No. 1 Album Sales. MERCH IS NOT MUSIC PERIOD !
Kpop was being fine even without american validation etc. Idk why kpop fans nowdays being so insecure as kpop will be claimed as shit when the truth is kpop have been got stereotype shit by general people in america. General people wont even care about kpop, only kpop fans care about their artist. Kpop are just like another community by them, same like animelovers. It will never become an mainstream thing
@@γινομαιενα I disagree in that I can absolutely see a world where Korean music becomes much more mainstream in the US. Anime is actually a fantastic example of a thing that was relegated to subcultures and considered very uncool that has become MUCH more popular with the general public over my lifetime. Pokemon is probably the best example. Regarding the so-called "Western validation" issue, I don't think it's necessary that any Korean group becomes popular outside of Korea. If a group doesn't want to pursue a career outside of Korea, that doesn't make their work or art less valuable or meaningful. That being said, as someone from the US, I have an interest in Korean groups becoming popular in the US because, not only do I want to see a group I love become successful in a larger market and reach as many people as possible, but I also want to see my country become more open to art and music from other places and view it on equal terms.
@@eldeleonjr77 I think I became more disgusted when I found out that all of their website sales were counting towards the charts, regardless of where they were being shipped to. They found, essentially, a loophole by (if I understood correctly) having all of the music licensed under their US and Korean label. The Billboard 200 chart is supposed to measure music sales in the US. By counting every album bought, regardless of where they are being shipped to, it completely skews the numbers. So, it doesn't even measure *merch sales* in the US. It's a mess.
i think Danny and David should do research more on 'heat' between fandom. i think people make fuss about superM getting no 1 because of the past occasion where some toxic fan of EXO trending 'sajaegi' and some make rumors that bighit bought tons of albums so that they able to get on chart. the fact that their favourite group now that using this 'marketing tactics' is kinda petty and that's why BTS fan got mad. Danny and David should digging deeper because everything is begin with something. There is some history shit behind this fight. *No hate on any group though...
Exactly. And I'm sure they know that. They aren't saying it bc...honestly when has anyone ever acknowledged all the bs other fandoms and companies did to bts. Never
Thank you. You told the true here!!! They are just hypocrites who invalidates BTS success but got blind when others cheats. How funny! Edit: I'm talking about BTS haters btw. Just to clarify
I think the problem is that those physical albums were not all bought by americans in america. Even koreans fans that bought the album from a korean site got their album counted for the billboard chart. That's honestly ridiculous to me, beside those 60 bundles lmao. I just feel bad for the number 2 artist that got 180 million streams for her album in US while SuperM only got 4 million. Also western artists that do those ridiculous bundles are always called out/ made fun of. I just wish billboard would make some change about the regulations of their chart, otherwise being number 1 on their chart won't mean anything anymore. The number 1 album is supposed to be the most popular album in the US (for a certain week) not the least popular one.
Please don't think about them. Don't use their name. We are not part of k pop . We never were. Everyone can play around so let them . Billboard does not represents the whole world and BTS is everywhere . The whole world knows them. Whether billboard changes their policy or not, it will never affect BTS . Just wait for the next BTS comeback. Please don't waste your energy on anyone who does not mean anything.
No you're not allowed to buy the albums if you're not from the US please research before you say anything Also BB200 only counts american numbers- albums and streams
I hope that the ones who are sending the message no that words are very harmful to the spirit and soul and I don't see why they are so hard on top because he wasn't harming anyone but his self and he was at home in his own private so as for him coming back I am looking forward to it, I am a true fan and will stand behind him
@@10zinlutru90 this ep was recorded before Sulli's death. It was supposed to come out yesterday but they posted that they wouldn't out of respect for her. They posted a video yesterday about depression
Just want say it - really appreciated the video you uploaded earlier today dkdktv. I'm sure a lot of people will benefit from it. RIP Sulli, you beautiful, beautiful girl. We miss you.
You mean, kind of like how everyone obsesses over which place to buy their album from so that it counts on both the Gaon and Hanteo charts? Hmmm. Almost as if you're masquerading overseas sales as domestic for the Korean charts?
right but billboard weights physical album sales heavier than streams so i don't know how much #2 got in physical album sales but its likely why super m was at #1. Other big artists have done this too in the past where they get ranked #1 even though their streams are less but their actual album sales were higher.
@@nobiasjustlove yeah but their point was that SuperM's album didn't actually have any US demand or popularity and was majority carried by the 60 merch bundles, unlike the #2 album which was actually a hot release in America.
CC it’s a way of showing how demand an artist is ,look at the itunes their albums are out of top 500 already ,it might left the billboard chart next week ,bts albums stay on the billboard chart for years
Ari Butera Moonlight true...it’s gonna have a free fall and it’s definitely gonna lose its credibility... even Kpop as a whole might lose its credibility and that’s the nightmare
This type of situation makes me feel more than ever proud of BTS, and you said it well, BTS don't need these tricky and unethical tactics to win. Merchandise is not music, period.
Why is everyone hating on TOP when he just reacted to this rude comment? The one they should be hating is that random commenter he/she is sooo dumb,rude and ignorant.I find TOP comment funny and sarcastic knetz are just too serious (or dumb?) to understand. this. They feel like they have the right to be rude just because idols do not usually fight back. I feel sorry for these idols mental health.
I hope all the other idols just speak up when they’re getting bullied. It’s their right to defend themselves..like they’re human they’re not “Haneunim”..
I am happy that Top and BigBang have the guts to reply back to haters...bcs right now more idols need to start talking about this problem: kpop has become noticeably toxic compared to the past
Knetz are not very forgiving people. Once you make a small mistake as an idol, that's it. You're branded forever. Even if you have sincerely reflected, apologized and repented.... Nope, Knetz ain't gonna let you go easily.
T.O.P's and Blackpink's behavior does not define who they are as a person, we all know nothing. We should all learn from the previous results of saying bad things against other people. Stay kind. *Lots of love*
-60 merchandise/album bundles -also included ticket/album sale -eight variations of the album itself. - BUY NOW PAY LATER -continuous text messages letting them know to buy an album MERCH IS NOT MUSIC
Yeah i was just shocked and wondered like does every kpop entertainment company asks their fans to buy albums in bundle requesting their fans to buy it to top the charts and rank as number 1 that seemed money oriented business to me rather than an artists music album 😂😂😂😂
I'm pretty sure sm said that capital records is responsible for all promotions and that they just chose the members and made the music so I'm not sure who to blame
I was really excited to see who would be the group to top billboard after bts but sm just needs to make kpop look terrible. They have groups like exo and shinee who really deserve it. I mean, exo could've probably topped billboard if they focused on them in the last few years. Most people are not going to acknowledge and overlook this #1. You're not going to beat bts with a 'strategic' trick. I hope sm comes back to their senses after bts' comeback and focus on their most successful groups.
They're just desperate to surpassed the success of BTS can't they see BTS brings a lot of money to S. Korea they are just very envious??I am so frustrated right now what's the point of being fair if someone will do dirty tactics just to get fame
Or both... (not in this case though) For example, the time jungkook's favourite detergent was revealed, and the company couldn't handle the amount of demand and went out of stock in the entire country. It's the best free advertisement but also a nightmare for the staff of the company who has to deal with the aftermath
These "fans" that make such negative, hateful and downright disgusting comments, have MENTAL issues. Their lives revolve around KPOP idols that would never, and I mean never in a million years, find them attractive or suitable to even date. Ladies, and yes you gentlemen too, it's ok to adore these idols, but it's NOT OK, to defame, degrade, debase, or otherwise try to cause harm to other human beings.
@@famema5425 Hahaha...I really wasn't trying to preach, but it does look that way. Also, I was trying not to hurt anybodies feelings, but just encourage self awareness, but my own words seemed less than kind. I will try to do better.
Jamie Paul no please don’t apologize people need to consider what their actions are doing to others... since people started to grow up with the “keyboard warrior” (aka BULLY) mentality they think whatever they post online is fine... and it just isn’t esp when it’s hurtful words specifically towards any individual/group... they really need to remember the golden rule...
@@TinasArtPage Thank you! The ones who really concern me are the ones who hide their identity. They set up fake accounts and IP addresses. If you can't reveal your face, you should keep your mouth closed. To me, this proves that they know they are doing something wrong and still CHOOSE to be EVIL. They are so clueless. They need to think about the families of those people they intentionally cyber bully. My daughter was cyber bullied, when she was 14 and being the Mama Bear that I am, I hired a security firm to locate the bully. They found her and I sued her parents and won. I hope Sulli's parents do the same! I would donate to that cause!
I agree with the last sentence, but the first one stigmatizes mental health and the second insults people based on their looks. Not defending bullies by any means, just saying that ad hominim remarks are cheap and blaming mental health is a cop out and outdated. All you needed to say was the last sentence. 👏
BTS and bighit is suing the karaoke shop person who leaked the photos of jungkook and his friend aka the tattoo artist. The tattoo shop is suing too. So that's done. About superm....there is a huge difference between bundling your album with like a really expensive concert ticket..thats what prince did and some other artists do which is fine cause it just shows you have actual people who do listen to your music and appreciate it so as to come to your concert....it is like "hey you bought this expensive ass concert tickets, here u can have 1 album" ...it's not the same as bundling 5 to 10 albums with a cheap ass merch/ concert ticket. ...there is a thing called artistic integrity and respect towards one's own art. As a music fan in general when people push the boundaries of bundles its disgusting. This goes to all artists who do it. The artist who got no.2 summer walker...got almost all her songs charted on hot 100....and superm didn't chart even 1.....billboard has lost its legitimacy...but artists are at fault too ....just cause you can do some stuff doesn't mean you should.
Blame the entertainment companies not the idols. It's the entertainment companies that decide on merchandising and sales. These idols can't even piss without permission, you really think they have any say in how their companies make money?😂
i totally agree with you!!what SMent doing might be the starting point of downfall of kpop industry,it just make me sad that my favs BTS is having some splash of dirty water which they got nothing to do with...
It's kpop... The whole idea of kpop is to sell the most you can, there is only a few artists that have artistic integrity. (Because their company controls at the very least the music they release).
Ya'll are behind. It isn't just merch bundles. They were also giving out 10 free digital downloads with one merch sale which they then encouraged people to distribute out to friends. They then advised people to delete the original tweet or download link. In addition, foreign sales contributed to the US charts. There were a couple Korean websites that showed that a Korean fan purchasing the item IN KOREA would have that sale count toward the US Billboard chart which is not okay at all. This is beyond chart manipulation, and Billboard is facing ever increasing controversy for allowing merch bundles to count toward album sales. Not to mention that the end of week predictions on their sales were off by 100k which has never happened before. 10-15k maybe, but 100k is basically turning on the Batsignal and announcing that there are super shady practices going on because you can't be off by that much unless there's so backroom deals. Look into the problem more. Plus, bundling actually hurts the artist. It cuts into their piece of the sale leaving them with nothing. In fact, sometimes the artist ends up owing money to their own company when merch/ticket bundles are put together. Essentially SM cannabalized their own group for the sake of pride. Shameful. I don't want to hear any "well everyone does it so it's fine." First of all, everyone certainly *doesn't* do it (especially not to this extent), and it screws over the consumer/the artist being forced to bundle/the honest artist that doesn't bundle/the up-and-coming artist without big company money to push their name. This is BS, and you know it. I also hope people realize that all the strides made to legitimize Korean musicians just took some giant leaps back because they'll be viewed as scammers and cheaters, juicing sales through ridiculous bundles/illegal means. Thanks SM. Your greed isn't just a stain on your group, it's a stain for every Korean artist. What a POS. And I am not attacking the members. In fact, if you love the group and its members, you should be pissed off too because SM is basically making them work endlessly AND taking their money by devaluing their albums.
"Nicki Minaj does it too" if you did research beyond the surface you would know that Nicki spoke out against it. She literally said merch is not music. Anyway, i usually like listening to your opinions but omg please do your research on the music industry if your going to speak on it. Also the argument, "its okay to do this because other people do this"is not valid. Its equivalent to trying to deflect the problem.
@@7mbbxmonstax440 what we do with that is that people dont care unless it affects them. nicki did it until it came back and bit her in the ass. just like yt was letting record labels buy views until someone played the system but not in favor of yt. and then they decide to learn some morals. bundle sales have been a controversial topic for a few years now and the only action billboard has really taken is removing some from DJ khalids official numbers.
International fans harassing Jungkook's tattoo shop? Those look like Korean DM's... I'm just saying, American ARMYs ain't gonna trip about whether or not BTS members are dating...
Seriously, if anything, most US-ARMYs WANT BTS members to date and lead a (somewhat) normal life, for shit's sake. They have to avoid all appearances of dating for K-stans, from what I see.
Exactly...thank God I'm not the only one who sees it...and I totally agree, nothing would make me happier regarding BTS than if it came out that Jungkook, or Suga, or RM, had found a girl that made them happy...this whole celibate, chased, innocent "married to the fans" thing is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard...
Garret Burrow i am pretty sure there are also some international fans who would act crazy when they really start dating.... of course not all... bjt there are always black sheeps
I know he can be a bit too much at times with his opinion but I quite like that he is different. It just adds spice to the channel! I think he is being a little more careful and respectful
i hope you guys have watched nicki minaj's comment regarding bundles. artists who sell their music solely would also feel unfair, where's the essence of selling your music then? no hate on superm, just their shitty US management. just want to point out those who congratulate them for achieving their 'goals' when they drag bts down years ago: other fandoms before: *bts charts, wins social artist* desperate, we don't need western validation, our faves promote in a classy way, ect other fandoms now: *faves spam them to buy their album, charts because of bundle* woo! asian representation! *suddenly have memory loss* armys: flop them: toxic! how funny.
dunno if its shitty mgmt, but honestly bundles should have never been a thing in the first place so people can't whine about it being a shady tactic and unfair.
I feel like if you're buying your fav's merch, you probably like their music and want to help them buying it, so I don't really see the matter of doing this since you're probably already listening to their music and all
Not that weird. Kpop is still niche, with the exception of BTS. Buying power, but not the streaming power. Not to mention that SM stans are still divided on the group and are known for not streaming in the way that Blinks or Armys do.
@Aer /// it's so fcking obvious. Lol. Where is the album charting on iTunes, spotify, bb hot 100? No significant presence bc these charts aren't as easily manipulated!
Kpop already is so stereotyped and now they have this scammer reputation in the west.. Do whatever you want use whatever method you want but the next time if my group charts without any bundling tactics and if people generalize them as regular scammer then I'm going to be very pissed...
Honestly I really hope Billboard changes their regulations on bundling, otherwise I'm sure other kpop companies are going to do the same thing which would be TERRIBLE for the already existing negative stereotypes of kpop
1. Westerns bundle all the time. Y’all are so terrible ignorant and dense that you don’t do any research what so ever. Bundling is not new and I promise you if it was bad capitol (and american company) would not take that risk. Also 2. Bts have bundled before, literally bundled at 60K concert meaning they sold 60K albums yet no one said anything? To blame any potential “criticism” from the west towards kpop because of one kpop group doing something other westerners have done for years is so shit considering the west is gonna criticize kpop regardless because they’re racist and treat kpop as some sort of phenomenon.
cyberluvr yes western artists do bundles but not 60+ and they don’t give out codes to get a sell either if they didn’t have all those bundles they wouldn’t be number 1 period and they only had 4k streaming units which is low for an album that’s supposed to be at the top and they made it to where the abysmal could only be bought in the us and have it shipped out later so it could go on bb and the whole get now pay later shit ain’t it either sm is gonna ruin not only superm’s reputation but also shinee’s nct’s and exos if they keep up with this bs even their fans are tired of them begging for us to buy albums including me
cyberluvr y’all gotttta stop bringing up citifield like it’s anywhere near similar to what super m and other artists are doing. BTS bundled ONE show but they’ve topped the chart 3 times. Also those 60k didn’t even get them the number one for ly: answer. They debuted that week with 185k while second place had 110k. Would’ve topped the chart regardless.
I can't believe you think bundles are okay ...I don't care that others do it...thats the same as a child getting in trouble for bad behavior & excusing the behavior cause others are doing it!! No it's flat out wrong. You didn't look up all the background on the issue. The ranking determines awards. If you get a title due to manipulation then you are making a mockery of the music business. So that you know this issue highly investigated due controversy that arose in late 2018. Ruling has changed but will not go into effect till 2020. Bundles will not be allowed in ranking of artists. & its about time. Reason waiting till 2020 as new rule determined in June 2019 & already artists had already used bundles to gain top ranks. So starting fresh new start this next year. This is a big issue. It's not okay. As then those with deep pockets can manipulate the system. Also what about bulk order of albums in US then shipped to S Korea for resale? Those charts are to based upon sales in US only. Do you understand the significance of these actions? I want people around the world to acknowledge Kpop for its quality of music & performance. Not determined by merchandise. Controversary that brought all to a head & why... DJ Khaled & Travis Scott brought forth the issue of what bundling does for artists. Marketing is everything when you’re famous, and DJ Khaled is one we’ve seen among the heavy hitters that want rankings. According to the New York Times, “bundles” help artists boost their rankings on Billboard’s charts. This is because bundles cost way more than the price of an album and allow the artist to claim higher sales. An album costs what? $10-20? While an album “bundled” with merchandise can push that sale to over $100. Title is determined by sales. As you can see adding merchandise in the mix gives higher dollars earned & less albums sold. So then ranking in music charts are not being determined by the music but by the merchandise. The system is wrong. Needs fixed. As of 2020 bundling will not be allowed.
@@railexdosch1360thank you .... it is something that American artists got into heavy in last years. I am like then who should have been brought forth as true leaders of music being sold? Who got cheated out of the prize getting that #1 does for careers? It's really sad business that it ever was allowed. I am so thankful the group I stan didn't get #1 status from bundles. They earned it for their music. As it should be. & when ranking are seen the dollars overall earned the group I stan out sold SuperM & did it without bundles. The $ stated are for debut purposes to give rankings. I am shocked Danny & David didn't look this up.
As a Korean American, I'm just embarrassed by SuperM and SM with this 60 bundles tactic. You all should see locals tweets in regards SuperM beating Summer Walker. Can't even blame them since I knew this was going to happen. You can already see it with the Social Artists chart. It reads like Inkigayo line-up yet none of those Idol groups sell in the U.S. Take all the bundles away and SuperM is just another long line of SM groups selling 25k units. I can respect EXO's past hustle, but NCT and SuperM, yall selling out, bending over and taking it up the you know what and thanking the industry for it without even getting a reach around. FYI - it costs artists money out of their own pocket to bundle merch. Also, with about half their concert tickets still available, which I assume is where SM planned to get their $$$ back from not getting anything from album sales (actually paying Capitol for the bundles), if you're invested in SM, good luck come that 4th and next year's 1st quarter earnings reports.
Capital records does their promotion tho, if I understand correctly sm didn't invest that much money into it and just produced the music. I think sm mostly want exols and shawols to get to know nct and took the offer capital records made (yes, the idea isn't even SMs). Capital records probably thought it would make profit lol
@@triangles-zb7np Where did you get that SM didn't invest much money in to it and only produced the music? Capitol Records have never taken this level of embarrassing promotion and bundling with any of their artists before, it just screams SM.
@@imtheguy1001 that's what they said on the press conference and other people said that too but I could be wrong. Maybe the bundle thing really is sm idk
@@triangles-zb7np Capitol Records is doing their promo, but look into bundling merch. Artists pay out of their pocket to the label. In this case, SM, not SuperM, pays Capitol for the bundling. Capitol, depending on how much they made off the front-loaded bundling, may or may not have made a profit since they spent a lot on promoting the group. My guess is neither will make much profit off this venture. Capitol since there isn't much in terms of pure album sales w/o bundling. SM since they won't sell out their concerts. But the news of the #1 did bump SM stock up 3k won so there's that for them
The problem with bundles is that not EVERY artist can do it. It’s been proven in studies that bundling causes companies to LOSE money, meaning only those that can afford to can do bundling, essentially buying their way to the top. So brand new artists like Summer Walker, who got 155M streams in the US last week, but can’t afford to do a massive amount of bundling, lose their deserved number 1 album to an artist with only 4M steams in the US. Summer had like 7 songs from her album chart on the Hot 100, Jopping was 25 on the bubbling under (LITERALLY the lowest position you can possible chart a single). What this shows is that their really ISNT a demand by US consumers for SuperM, and that the bundling massively inflated their numbers. This will result is a ton of media play and will cast a shadow of doubt on any future korean artists that get number 1. It’s also possible that because of this, the album will drop straight off the chart which is honestly more embarrassing that if they had charter at a decent rank and slowly fell off.
Joyonghi Ijeneun ya and after i posted this it was discovered that they’re importing albums from the US to WW. It’s still not being sold anywhere but the US so of course their sales are still higher enough to chart when their entire WW sales are counting towards it... and MSG isn’t as great of an achievement as you seem to think it is. Sure it’s a good sized arena, but with members made from pre-existing popular kpop groups I don’t think anyone was really expecting otherwise. Especially in one of the largest cities in the world where kpop has always been fairly popular. Like congrats for them but as much as you’d like to say it they aren’t a “rookie group” selling out MSG. Exo fans alone could probably do that and they don’t have a super massive presence in the US either. SuperM’s streaming numbers are still non-existent, which i also mentioned in my comment and you didn’t address at all...hmmmmm
Joyonghi Ijeneun none of the separate groups sold anything out but the combination of popular members from the different groups did? like that’s something to be proud of. it literally took SM taking their more notable idols from their own groups and throwing them together and making them perform a overhyped song like Jopping and release a mini album of all things 🤦🏽♀️ if that’s what you’re proud of, congratufuckinglations you stan a shitty ass concept.
Thank you for spelling it out Ciana. We do have to talk about it so that Billboard and other institutions make changes, like Grammys. “Gaming” the system shouldn’t be acceptable and ignored based on exactly what you wrote about, very well said. For fans of the groups it’s not the artist in question it’s their company’s choosing to devalue their own artist just to gain a top position. For the company to prepare so many bundles they already knew that without it their artist would not be #1 in the US. This does not help Kpop it’s just sad.
summer walker has a lot of entry on hot 100 ; Super M doesn't. The amount of bundle sales they use was ridiculous; 60 bundles.. i know she used bundles too.. at least people are listening to her music.. (she has the streams to back it up) congratulations to Super M .... but this is going to follow them for a very long time. The locals are not happy with them. what is the point of making music, to sell T-shirts and posters? it not Super M fault.. i blame SM greedy ass. Also billboard is changing the bundling rules next year..... good luck to everyone and their faves.
@VTS 1230 yes because of the mess DJ khaled created because of bundling... he was pissed because he did not get number 1 early this year.... yes the rules for bundling will change in 2020... but I don’t know if they will cancel it or put a limit to it... anyways we shall see.
Go research why we are mad about it. Celebrities from US market does that I agree but BTS had slowly gain respect from xenophobic people here from organic results but another group come in a prove again kpop is manufactured. You only think it is all about results. It just ruin the korean image.
actually, going by the rules (when the other artists who follow the same rules are pissed at superm) doesn't make it acceptable. example: criminals are condemned by the public and the law, but they are legally innocent because of the law. they played the law, similar to how superm (SM) played the rules. the telltale sign is when other artists are pissed, it shows that you did something that is against the rules (but technically not against the rules). *in terms of being a heartless businessman, this is perfectly fine. in terms of being respectable artists who compete fairly with music (even fairly with small artists), this is a joke.* this isn't like, "we can't help it. we are popular so we can't help it that our fans made us #1." this is literally manipulating their popularity knowing it will be unfair to smaller artists who worked hard. ofc, some other artists who want to exploit the rules might do the same thing, but if u do it as well, u are just being like them. their actions don't justify yours. Danny again? "it's been like that ... get used to it people." so to paraphrase, "corruption (in any field of your choice) has been like that ... get used to it people." no... crime exists with order, but we have to keep fighting crime to maintain the balance. corruption is the same. you don't simply stop fighting against corruption, because then u can't maintain the balance. another questionable life lesson from Danny...
Seeing all this criticism on SuperM and their marketing strategies makes my heart hurt, since I dearly love all the members and believe that they can do great things together. I think their concerts will be an amazing synergy of their different energies and I can't wait for their future activities! SuperM Fighting! I personally don't have neither a positive or negative opinion on the whole bundleing issue, but at the same time I've never given much shit about charts, awards, trophies and whatever. It all becomes kind of meaningless after a while, especially when everybody is just trying to one-up each other without actually appreciating and enjoying the music & entertainment anymore. the main thing that bothered me is that the albums are so hard to get if you dont live in the US...international shipping+customs is a bitch. But everybody is allowed to have their opinion, and people are allowed to express their feelings! I just wish they were more respectful in the way they talk online. as a superm/nct fan, twitter is an absolute nightmare right now, it gets downright insulting and hateful….people forget that the idols themselves probably have as much say in the marketing & planning as we do.
Your comment really cheered me up while scrolling through the comment section! Thank you for just loving the guys and conciously being postive and peaceful instead of arguing about a lot of things that we can't influence and don't even really concern us. I'm glad to come across comments like yours :)
Agree with everything you said. People (especially armys) are hating on them like crazy. I believe superM deserves all the love, attention and success coming their way. Hopefully this other immature fandom can grow up soon
@@LC-in2ft if this was marketing tactic, sorry but it was a bad one. They are great artists but the huge ego of SM ent. make them do this. One thing is to obtain an album with a concert ticket but with stickers, buttons?? . They as artist deserved better.
If you love the members, you should be angry at bundling. Bundling cuts into their profits from the sales. It's essentially a way companies can cannabalize their own artists for the sake of a #1 title. It hurts the members you love, and it should be outlawed. With the way SM did both ticket and merch bundles, the members probably made hardly any profit at all (pennies for the amount of hard work they're putting into this project). Many, many artists have spoken up against this practice. If you love the members, you should be against bundling (especially bundling to such an extreme).
For the first time I actually don’t agree with them💀💀 I know everyone is doing bundles ok but at least these artists are charting on hot 100 and shit. Superm hasn’t and it looks so lame to see that they are doing all these bundles like earn your way there😭 or at least chart. I have respect for those who earn their way to success not buy their way. Y’all want to talk abt all this “marketing” and that they want to make money but I don’t think that’s what artists become artists for. It’s to make music not money. Idk that’s just my opinion 👌🏽 great video
Maybe not the artista but it's most definitely what the entertainment companies are all about and it's the companies that decide on merchandising and pricing.
Bundling has also been a big thing in books for a while. A lot of people made bestseller lists by bundling their book with a bunch of other author’s books in the same genre, allowing 20 people to get a bestseller title instead of just one.
Superm are indeed now tainted forever in my eyes. I don't care if all these artists "beat the system" because bundles are allowed. Billboard should make that not allowed. And while we are at it.... radio should play what's being most streamed and sold instead of playing what they get paid to play!
They literally made music and they can sing unlike other people we know. Do you realise selling bundles means they're losing money than gaining? It's a strategy to get people to know them better through charts. People will obviously like them because of their music once they check them out.
@@onceyouchogiwayoucantchogi3356 "People will obviously like them because of their music once they check them out" Are you kidding? Everything about SuperM is as manufacture as you can get, how at all do you think that they will garner any sort of meaningful US fanbase? They're excessive bundling is only damaging their reputation.
I may be wrong but I read Lou Miere’s comment as a critique on SM and not the artists. Tbh superm has to be a success since SM has a lot riding on this. It astounds me when people are shocked that kpop companies employ sus tactics to promote and increase sales.
i think all boybands are built to make money or companies wouldn't invest in them if they thought they would be complete failure. this is naive thinking. will every band be successful? no, but companies take risks/calculations in that what they think will be and invest.
Just to help :) Sorry if i'm tiny bit off. (Please like for me to know that I should do this for all the next DK NEWS) 0:00 - 0:14 ~ INTRO 0:15 - 0:46 ~ All news 0:48 - 1:30 ~ Good news 1:33 - 6:23 ~ Blackpink being late 6:24 - 11:47 ~ T.O.P from Bigbang mentioned BIGBANG's future 11:49 - 18:14 ~ Jungkook's tattoo shop striking bad towards the haters 18:17 - 20:44 ~ QUACKBACK 20:48 - 28:26 ~ SuperM topping billboard awards (Top 200 chart) and controversy
Ruby Suho no worries, it’s nothing about worry but everything about justice(and disgust). Nothing about the members, everything about the company media plays and the tiring provocative attitude of a bunch of their fans. We just want respect. That’s all. Thank you for your response though, have a good night.
@@angelmiaka9899 that's great for bang pd, i hope companies don't copy each other and should do stuff differently, only way to figure out what works and doesn't. If no one tries anything new, no one will know if it will be successful or not. Super M is something that hasn't been done before in the kpop industry so everyone has it under a microscope to see what happens. You know if it succeeds other companies may start doing similar stuff, crossover idols within their own company roster or maybe even cross over company idols? haha one can imagine...
dekammm Only 4k of SuperM’s sales came from bundles. Refusing to realize that SuperM's fandom is literally 3 of the top 10 biggest kpop fandoms combined. They were never gonna flop.
I am an ARMY, and I don't know why my timeline is filled with fights between two fandom, not all are really into it, but some are, and I can only ignore, coz it is rubbish, I am extremely happy with SuperM, exactly as u said it is a marketing strategy, anyone can do anything unless Billboard doesn't specify or limit down chart rules, if Billboard accepts, no matter what means they achieve it truth won't change, so it is good for SuperM, also this won't let BTS down in any ways, so take a chill pill you all☺️✌️
i remember kpop used to be unified when one group succeeds all groups succeed if multiple people/groups get famous over seas thats even better why yall constantly fighting
nicki minaj already shared her opinion regarding this. why would they sell merch if she is selling her music? that's not fair. marketing strategy-wise, yes but obviously, gp won't take kpop seriously after this.
It is not specifically about SuperM. Army protested when Jonas Brothers did it too. But Kpop stan or you only see it as Army not wanting SuperM to succeed. The issue is not them getting #1. It is how they got their #1. It is not fair for the #2 who was robbed. A lot of artists are speaking up on this issue. Check out Nicki Minaj on Ellen.
Let's just congratulate them on their BB#1. We all know those bundling moves caused their reputation to plummet. So much for not seeking "western validation"🤭
I am an Army, and I actually don't care who and how they make it top at Billbord chart. Congratulations to SuperM for topping it. Good for Korean music. But the only reason I think BTS is different, is because they never targeted US market, it happened on its own. Cause no-one even topped billboard before and they never in 100 years though of doing it. Maybe just targeted of UA-cam views. And members genuinely don't seem to care of it. I would say not every Army is nice, and some are total assholes. But theses 7 guys are amazing humans and I'm proud to be a real Army.
The songs aren’t really that bad I can’t stand the rain and super car are really good but it’s S.M. so they already have a huge fan base when you put some of these best artist together
I respect your opinion, you are entitled to it, but the songs on their album were really good from my own standpoint. It went with the concept they were going for.
Oh David, the way you say its just kpop and no need to be competing. Tell that to SMent with all their mediaplay now that their group achieved No.1 and self-proclaimed as the Avengers of Kpop. imagine how k-media gonna react to it. imagine the industry who’s bitter with BigHit will use this oportunity to downplay BTS. yeap. it aint that deep.
It's not that deep! You have to remember that it's just business and all that these companies want to do is to simply make money off of their idols, whether it's BigHit or SM.
@@leehoo9783 Are you seriously calling music "just business"? Maybe a lot of kpop (especially SM) is like that, but where BigHit and BTS are at as artists... that's a serious undervaluing of who they are
@@imtheguy1001 Some idols might be artists (btw I don't understand why only BTS are considered as artists when there are plenty of other kpop idols who write and produce their own stuff), but it doesn't change the fact that these kpop companies' main goal is not to create or spread art, but to produce profit for the company, for its employees and for the artists as well. So there's nothing wrong with saying that it's just business, because if it wasn't about business, then there wouldn't be the need to sell albums, concert tickets and merch. ( btw, sorry if I spelled something wrong, English is not my first language)
@@leehoo9783 I can link you to this for some insight on BTS and why they're considered as 'artists' specifically Of course these companies want to make money, but there's a difference between the extent each company takes this to, I would say SM would be at one end of manufactured for money and Bighit on the opposite end. I would never say that it is 'just for business', even for SM as they have artists who love to release music for fans and want to be heard etc. The purpose of selling albums, concert tickets, and merch of course is to make money, because there would be no reason for all of that to be free, and if it were to all be free, they literally couldn't make a career out of it. Selling your art does not make you not an artist, or just 'business'. Also, when you look at BTS and BigHit who have allowed them to express themselves as artists freely, I don't see how that could be labelled as just business either.
It's not just the bundling (I mean 60 is ridiculous, did you see the free download links too??) It's the fact that they counted international sales as US sales to chart on billboard (or bundleboard as it's known as), by shipping to a US address and then ship international. Western artists don't even do this. Also, this isn't the first time Armys have called out bundling, we speak out when Taylor, Ariana, Justin etc. does it, but K-pop fans are made at us for calling out SuperM? We do it for everyone, no one's getting special treatment. Bighit tried it out for the one Citifield concert last year (but ONLY after they already charted #1 without it) and you had to redeem it at the concert. They found that it made no difference so have never done it again
This kinda crap over Jongkook is just going to isolate him from being able to build genuine friendships. Who's going to want to hang out with him through fear of getting dragged and harassed. I think Big Hit had a moral duty to help them out. Makes them look bad leaving them to fend for themselves when it's their artist that's inadvertently caused this mess. I feel really sorry for them. This is their livelihood and could have severe financial consequences for the staff. It's not like Jongkook will face those issues. Big hit could pay for a lawyer to represent the company to sue those leaving such comments to compensate for loss of income. That would be the nice thing to do.
@Aer /// they DO know who leaked the pictures and footage, BH is suing them. The standard PR tactic is to ignore. When that didn't work, they released an official statement. Now they're taking legal action along with the tattoo shop. Don't talk if you're not going to do your research. Google is free.
@@invisistillawen @Aer /// Just wanted to clarify that BH suing karaoke bar for cctv leak. But there has been another one recently. Pictures from inside of that tattoo shop where JK is clearly posing for a pic with a shop employee. So people are suspicious that someone from that shop (maybe it's not the owner at all, but just irresponsible employee like the one from karaoke bar) is leaking private info and maybe that's why BH is cautious when dealing with them
ill tell you guys why people bring up that this was not a ‘real achievement’ by superm , it’s because as soon as people got to know about it , half of their fandom , instead of being happy about their fav’s success , started dissing bts and armys 🥴 by saying stuff like oh look whose now walking on the road you guys built and the whole ratmys thing etc etc and armys being the ever triggered fandom they are , started replying to this hate by saying that ‘oh well it doesn’t even matter because your fave’s feat isn’t even something to celebrate about’ , and it’s always like that , personally , as an army , i dont really care about superm , i thought i’d get into them if their music attracted me but it wasn’t enough but im still happy for them and congratulate them :D (not that my congratulations really matters x)) but yeah i feel like fanwars are stupid and it’s time exols (there are other fandoms too but this is the main one) and armys stopped fighting like who cares , our faves are earning millions and we are out here dying fighting on the internet , let’s just listen to their music and be peaceful 😌
Don't play the victim card! You guys are bashing SuperM even before their debut until now. Your fellow armys are everywhere in every SuperM's posts on twitter talking sh*t about the boys. Of course, there are good and paceful Armys, but there are many disrespectful Armys too everywhere on twitter attacking other fandoms.
@@joshikadevi7237 First: I don't say that the whole fandom do this. I said that MANY Armys bashes SuperM since before their debut until now. Actually. Yes. Only some bad Armys bashes SuperM. Go to twitter or IG and you will see it. Second: Your sarcasm don't invalid my point.
@Blinkeu FOREVER This is called business. The boys signed with Capitol Records, the most US legendary record company. They're music experts and know what to do. And Billboard herself validated their #1 at BB200. If they did something wrong Billboard would blocked them.
Ana Porto exols and nctzens along with many more groups bashed superm not just armys, no one is playing the victim card. He/she was just stating how the fanwar should just end, and we should all just appreciate the idols music. Incase you didn’t understand that the first time you read it.
@@uhokayand My first comment was directed to these false statement that said we bullied Armys or bts themselves. We, spermies, don't bash Armys at first. We respect bts achievement and their hard work. But we don't need to respect these bad apples who come to us insulting our boys. We replied them. We don't attack. If you have a twitter acc you will see. Some paceful Armys are also bothered with the Armpits' behavior.
When, the number one spot has 4 million streams and number two has 180 million streams, you know its not fair. If you say it is, you’re lying to yourselves
I bought a Super M concert ticket but I’m really thinking about getting my money back.. sometime feels off, I feel weird supporting this company that’s obviously taking advantage of them. As much as I love all of the guys in the group I just don’t think I could sit there at the concert and enjoy it knowing what’s probably going on behind the scenes :(
"relatively smaller fanbase" bruh they got fandoms from 4 different kpop groups. I'm quite happy 4 them, its a huge thing for the artists and their hard work does not go unnoticed. It's a fishy strategy bundling all of ur albums with merch but oh well... what can we expect from an industry right.
I'm afraid the 'relatively smaller fanbase' is true to a considerable extent actually (and I mean no one can even come close to BTS in terms of fandom size anyhow). A pretty big part of the original fandoms (primarily exo-l) are still not too happy about this whole SuperM project and aren't supporting the album. But I totally agree with you in the sense that I'm really happy for the artists! Although the whole billboard chart is pretty fishy, ranking high is still considered a considerable feat so props to them *clap clap*
the problem is superm albums that bought via sm olshop by koreans can shipped to korea and it still counted on bb ..while bb actually is only based on usa sales.. sm didnt give options to buy album in korea but only one usa based album sales link
Enya Estrellado lol.BTS is the king of merch.They are very successful bcs their merch is going so well.They sold 3M physical albums on worldwide this year.If merch is not music,Taeyeon,IU,and ikon are bigger than BTS by digital streams
SHINee SHAWOL I’m sorry to hurt your feelings but they have never stoop so low even when they were starting. You’re right their label makes too many merch but they are not to sell WITH albums. In their lys concert in citifield NYC they gave albums to those who has attended the concert but the album already ranked 1 and sold out millions of copy of it even the songs were number 1 in Spotify and iTunes. What’s not clicking with SuperM? Apparently their song didn’t reach any spot in Spotify nor iTunes but the album ranked 1 bb charts? Well actually I have no words anymore what’s done has been done and their label is to blame I just pity your idols that’s all to it. And once again MERCH IS NOT MUSIC.
curvytangerine oh no I care so much about a group getting number 1 is the most lowest way. This act is definitely a shame for Kpop ruining Kpop’s dignity thank goodness we got our Independence Day from kpop we BTSPOP now we don’t bout y’all kpopies now. Anyway MERCH IS NOT MUSIC.
I don’t care that SM advertised the crap out of them and though I don’t see bundling as legitimate sale numbers, it’s not different from what other western artists are currently doing too. Where my problem lies is that they only made these albums available in the US to purposely influence an American chart where majority Americans did not buy and don’t know who they are. The chart is not meant to reflect international purchases just like gaon isn’t meant to reflect western purchases.
Beckham probably doesn't but the *journalists and media people* certainly cared since they have other events to go to and they are the last people that you want to piss off so respecting their time and being punctual is an important thing to consider as well
For Superm defense, yes its marketing, yes they did not cheat the system and yes they got BB200 #1 (for at least a week). However, the funny thing is they targeted US market, but instead of getting to the top organically, with honor and swag, they chose this way which is complete 180 turn from their concept "Avengers of Kpop". Sending message like " we are this much away from #1", "get us to #1" and so on was kinda cheap (it wouldn't be if it wasn't about "avengers"). I also heard the issue of use of VPN for buying the albums here and there, but I don't think that matters now since they got #1. These things were off for me. If you want to come as a tiger in the US market, you should roar as one. Coming from top groups like EXO, SHINee and NCT, they should have earned the #1 title, not begged for it. Apart from this, the MV was decent and choreography was lit (lyrics were off). I hope this event won't hamper the legacy of these top groups. I honestly like the members, and its not the fault of superm at all. Its the money hungry corporation, SM's fault to the entirety. All these 3 groups were doing great. For US, they should have pushed NCT.
That was classic sarcastic T.O.P imo and as for Big Bang, they ended on a high and it should stay that way.mehat I would love is for solo work and unit work to come out. The tattoo shop has been DM’ing fans and saying things like Jungkook was drunk, this has been screen capped as evidence. They’ve actively been engaging with fans and non-fans on kkt and refused to follow advice. The tattoo shop has made everything more than it ever needed to be and BigHit has no responsibility to anyone but BTS, the tattoo shop is in no way entitled to help from BigHit. Also pictures from inside the tattoo shop were leaked, so let’s be real if BigHit has to do anything, it is to take legal action on the tattoo shop. SM disrespected their artists by doing this because this is straight up cheating. This isn’t just about ARMY or BTS, this is about them destabilising the little bit of legitimate reputation BTS had earned for K-pop and this is cheating other artists out rightful spots. The biggest cheating is SM making Korean fans buy from the US, any other fandoms fans could have done that but we all worked hard and within the rules, the fact SM did this and billboard accepted it, is disgusting.
The problem that is quiet alarming is not the just THE bundling. Like American artists (almost everyone) literally use bundles for their albums. But the thing is, it has been reported (article posted) that album purchases from outside the US is COUNTED in the chart which I know for a fact its not allowed because the BB200 is based for US demand ONLY. So the question is now, were they really including international shipping? Plus, the 60+ bundles. And the whole you buy merch, you get like 10 albums thing. It's not just bundling. You are literally giving away albums. (Sources articles online) And tbh, this will definitely hurt the image of kpop itself. The reputation of kpop artists as gimmicking to go on top will be marked onto other kpop artists that will follow in the future. P.S. Danny. You are not a hater. You are just both an anti and a fan which I admit is good cause I am like that too.
I think this is going to hurt Super M as a whole. They don’t have the recognition for this. There whole image is very disingenuous (Kpop in general is) that’s why these groups don’t do well in the US, by doing this it hurts there image and feeds into the fakeness. Also why people are side-eyeing this is because the content sucks; the lyrics are laughable. The 3 artists that you mentioned all needed the help and padding to sell their records, that shows that they were desperate and that hurts their integrity and image. I can’t even name a song from the one. Prince hadn’t had a selling/charting album in years. DJ Khalid was definitely desperate since people turned on him for oral sex “scandal”.
Why it always has to be always anyone vs anyone, like the toxic competitions of fandoms of each group, genre etc. Why people can't just live in peace and harmony. Like the global music market is evolving. Nowadays u don't have to be a English speaking artist from US or anywhere West to get recognised globally. And the major chunk of that comes of ofcourse by BTS as they paved the path for not just K-pop but other global artists as well. And above all the it is K-pop winning and it's talent and deserving winning so we should be proud of that.... We are basically in one of the most historical time for Music right now in general...!!!! ✌️
Everyone does bundling since there is a decline in the demand on physical albums, artist tend to sell out merch and concert tours which makes the album looks like a give away. And when you want to have a top spot , you’ll pull all the tricks because it all boils down to business. So for that Superm being under an American company Capitol Records, gives them an advantage because they know how to play the game. Bundling plus the multi version CD which most Kpop groups does is quite effective. The only question here is if it can be done like that then anybody could top the chart. They find a way to fool proof the system. Everyone plays but there is only one winner. The only thing clear here is that you can buy your way to the top. I’m not mad at the members of superm, I am more mad at their company. These guys are talented but in order to boost the name, the company had to pull a trick and forever will be tainted as the 60 bundle guys. Again it is not the guy’s fault, most artists from big companies like SM don’t even have the guts to say no or speak their mind which proves again another point of Kpop idols being a manufactured products and not seen as artists.
I feel so bad for the girl , jungkook’s tattoo artist , she is going through so much right now for absolutely no reason :((( and lol what does bighit mean by ‘it happened when he was on a holiday so we aren’t responsible’ ofc you are !! he is signed to your agency !! i hope they weren’t hard on jungkook because of this :( he even cut his hair :((( really hate those delusional fans man , all they do is hate and be delusional :/
Meoww Mowww I also feel bad for both Jungkook and the girl but I don’t think Jungkook is to blame. Whoever leaked the cctv or photos should take responsibility. And if this person also works at the tattoo shop, it is the shop’s responsibility.
Baby JK oh yes ofc im not blaming it on jungkook ! i could never !! he is completely innocent , and yes true but it could’ve been a stalker too , as the pics were taken in a restaurant and the tattoo shop pics were sooooo blurry , but i really don’t think it was the girl , and people are being endlessly cruel towards her :( for her appearance and what not , which is just not right :(
I already forgot about the leaked cctv story. The tatoo shop should have ignored crazy people, blocked them and stopped feeding them, and of course sue those who cross the line. They fueled things even worse, I guess. BTS achievements are unrivaled because lots of people love their music and have worked hard to hear this music in their countries. That's called demand and interest. I would really apreciate it if newslets which mention them in association with other kpop groups reminded the readers about this fact as well. Anyways, SuperM #1 will be remembered as merch-driven #1 and they will be critisized like any other western artist doing the same thing
60+ bundles, “buy now, pay later”, constant tweets asking to buy the album, 8 versions of the album, and 4 fandoms coming together is desperate, but it’s not that deep. However, international sales counting towards Billboard is almost unethical and that’s what actually bugs us. Almost no integrity.
Well superms fandom is actually three fandoms, so im not suprised they sold alot of albums but superm just feels so inorganic to me i cant help but be turned off from them bc of that.
@@Donna_Darko I doubt it And it was because of the bundles not bc of the music you cant honestly think that jopping was good ... But am not worried BTS comeback is soon
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please no fight. what fight for? ㅠㅠ
For justice. Although justice won't be achieved via youtube comments so... yeah...
Diplomatic much!!!???
why bring others down, let the groups who top charts top becuz u won't keep them from doing so, superm didn't do anything wrong it is a marketing tactic and it is pretty common; don't spread hate you can really hurt them and you might be responsible for the death of someone from the group so stop
It’ll be epic if bts and superm will have a collab. 🤔
I just want to say that ARMY has actually been talking about the bundling issue for a while. SuperM isn't what made us start. We're just louder now because it was more blantant in your face and obvious that was how they got it. I actually like music from their main groups and the members of SuperM. I think it does the artists a disservice when they only get to the top thanks to these tactics.
I'm everybody's anti and everybody's stan!
-danny,2019
At this point he's just taking the stride of what people are saying XD
Finally this channel got some brain cells!
SuperM deserves no.1
Stay pressed ratmys
I love Danny for that lmao
That's why i like him
Fyi: Danny I've never hated you, or disagreed with you on your kpop opinions. You keep it real and say what everyone is thinking but, because of cyber bullying nobody has the guts to say. Thanks for being brave! Love you guys. 💗
Facts. I hate that he always has to apologize just for being real about his opinion. I don't believe he's ever insulted looks, weight, intelligence or anything. It's just his opinion on his own taste. It's kind of ridiculous he has to hold himself back because people want to coddle their favs
Saaame!! 💜💜💜
Danny always gives the unpopular opinion. People are just pissed coz he speaks the ugly truth.👍🏼
Agree I like that he has an opinion on things, it give me a fresh perspective. I also really hate how some people would take up for him when he said something about others but time he said something bout their groups they on some other stuff. Also they misquote a lot of things he said. I be like were we watching the same thing. Anyway, Danny hope you keep being you.
Yesssss!! If anything, Danny always gives me a stomachache from laughing too much. Which is a good thing cause you're boosting my endorphins production!! Stay real and stay true Danny ^^
I'm not a big football fan but I sure as hell know who David Beckham is..
Same
I know nothing about football but I know who he is
British footballer married to Victoria Beckham who is better known as POSH SPICE from spice girls , the biggest Girl band ever , they were together 4 years and in just 4 years sold over 89 million albums , and through comebacks topped that figure up to over 100 million albums ,had 9 censecutive No 1 s , they had comeback twice and each comeback concerts sold out in minutes , Victoria is also owner of Victoria's secret fashion label , David Beckham I don't know what he does now as I believe he retired from football , lol
@@mushfiq9046 lol just thought a David Beckham history lesson would be good fun
@@jangoslin8258 you mentioning them. Gosh i miss spice girls! Loved their songs..
Can I just say that as an American I never EVER payed attention or cared about the Billboard chart until I got into Kpop about 3 years ago
And because of whom??
Same girl, same
@@Jo-wb1qr OoooooOoooOOooo! THE TEA!
Andrea Rincon You still shouldn’t care. Before kpop, artists who made it on any chart did so because they were making bomb ass relatable music. With kpop, it isn’t even about the song. It’s bragging rights. There’s no pride in earning titles if your music sucks ass.
Kpop stan for 10 years, still don't care))
I honestly don’t care how high others chart. At the end of the day BTS success is still their own success. Everyone has their own level of success.
Noe PREACH 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 I would love to attach this in my wall 😂
Thank you I see so many army hating on them for no reason just to show their superiority complex
Im with you. Yes it hurts how the industry works. And i think army is just mad at the system/company not at the group. And are calling for a change. But at the end of the day, i love bts. And i am happy with how successful they are. They success is their own. And they deserve all of it 😢💜
Thank you very much for saying that. What you said was kind and accurate.
@@7mbbxmonstax440 true
I think Danny is literally one of my favourite internet personalities lol. I dont necessarily agree with a some of what he says but it's so refreshing to see someone like him. I love david too, but he's so considerate and kind, but Danny is like "hold my beer," and goes out guns a-blazing. My man Spits The Truth!!
I have to agree lol.
yeah you don't have to worry about him bullshitting us
@@ChatiseE exactly! I also really appreciate how he's also not that hard headed that he doesn't admit when he's wrong! His video about cultural appropriation and he explained his journey of understanding the topic. Also he's very candid about a lot topics many people want to tip toe around ⚡
@@pstmxlmnd They are the yin to each other's yang
I disagree w him a lot but he's entitled to having his opinions. Those childish stans need to learn how to debate if they disagree w him instead of just out right call him names etc
Bighit is NOT at fault, Jungkook is NOT at fault. The one leaking CCTV footage is to blame and they are getting sued so... yeah
true but then agian people shouldnt go overhead and hate on the tatto staff or shop
@@mazzzzzzz27 Of course not. Did I say it was okay? The shop will have to deal with this on their own.
They aren't at fault, but I think they should help the tattoo company with hunting down those haters even if they do so quietly. It's the right thing to do.
They aren't fault but as they said human to human a really shitty move to cut it off, the tattoo artist didn't ask jungkook specifically to come at their place and get that tattoo due to which all shit happened. They are going through a lot and even though technically bighit doesn't need to help them, but they could have as a moral ethic. Don't always blindly back everything related to your favs.
Who leaked the CCTV video? Did they work at the tattoo shop or the establishment they went drinking at?
If you don't know who David Beckham is then you're a baby
Multifandom Shruti or uncultured
i didn’t know him, because i hate football
Who
@@devin1563 i couldn't care less about football either ( i don't care about any professional sports) but i still know who beckham is. same for ronaldo or messi. their names are just part of larger pop culture knowledge vs just sports only. i probably agree that most people that don't know are too young or completely unaware of pop/entertainment culture.
I've heard of him but know nothing about him. I didn't even know he was a football player lmao
Let’s not act like the music industry is not competitive.
yunalovesminyoongi it’s not competitive if you got moneeeeeeey to buy yourself to the top lol
@@npcimknot958 They're actually EARNING 'moneeeeeeey' thru marketing which if there were no one to actually buy it, would be a disaster economically! So, it is competitive in every way!
I love how we are describing this bundling stuff as legitimate business tactics and also "gaming the system" and "shady ass shit." 😂 Nicki Minaj actually had a very public blow up over it last year and Billboard has said that they are changing the rules to restrict bundling for next year.
I think Danny is right in that it calls the legitimacy of the chart into question. In which case, why congratulate anyone for their position on the chart? Unless you are congratulating them for effective marketing tactics and not music sales, it's meaningless.
I think the biggest frustration for fans of BTS (and other artists who don't use these tactics) is that it cheapens their achievement BECAUSE it devalues the chart.
SuperM had over 60 BUNDLE OPTIONS. They 100% aren't the only ones doing this, but it's just getting outrageous in how bad it's gotten. I want to see Korean music grow in popularity in the US, but it's turned into a total cash grab and it's going to kill the longevity for Korean groups in the market.
I agree. It's not because I love BTS that this annoys me; it's because I love K-pop. It's taken years to get this music taken seriously in the States and I feel like superm is going to blow all of the credibility in one gross swoop. I've already had friends of mine pointing out the NYTimes article about SM being shady as a sign that K-pop isn't legit. This may seem like a silly little marketing strategy but it could be a real problem down the road.
AVDisco06 Such a great explanation of why there is a lot of frustration over this. Literally Billboard should just take the bundling shit out and purely base it off of Album sales and streaming. After all this is all about Music from the first place and not Merch. If Merch is that important over music, Billboard should make a separate chart for the No. 1 Merch Sales and one chart for No. 1 Album Sales. MERCH IS NOT MUSIC PERIOD !
Kpop was being fine even without american validation etc. Idk why kpop fans nowdays being so insecure as kpop will be claimed as shit when the truth is kpop have been got stereotype shit by general people in america. General people wont even care about kpop, only kpop fans care about their artist. Kpop are just like another community by them, same like animelovers. It will never become an mainstream thing
@@γινομαιενα I disagree in that I can absolutely see a world where Korean music becomes much more mainstream in the US. Anime is actually a fantastic example of a thing that was relegated to subcultures and considered very uncool that has become MUCH more popular with the general public over my lifetime. Pokemon is probably the best example.
Regarding the so-called "Western validation" issue, I don't think it's necessary that any Korean group becomes popular outside of Korea. If a group doesn't want to pursue a career outside of Korea, that doesn't make their work or art less valuable or meaningful. That being said, as someone from the US, I have an interest in Korean groups becoming popular in the US because, not only do I want to see a group I love become successful in a larger market and reach as many people as possible, but I also want to see my country become more open to art and music from other places and view it on equal terms.
@@eldeleonjr77 I think I became more disgusted when I found out that all of their website sales were counting towards the charts, regardless of where they were being shipped to. They found, essentially, a loophole by (if I understood correctly) having all of the music licensed under their US and Korean label.
The Billboard 200 chart is supposed to measure music sales in the US. By counting every album bought, regardless of where they are being shipped to, it completely skews the numbers. So, it doesn't even measure *merch sales* in the US.
It's a mess.
i think Danny and David should do research more on 'heat' between fandom. i think people make fuss about superM getting no 1 because of the past occasion where some toxic fan of EXO trending 'sajaegi' and some make rumors that bighit bought tons of albums so that they able to get on chart. the fact that their favourite group now that using this 'marketing tactics' is kinda petty and that's why BTS fan got mad. Danny and David should digging deeper because everything is begin with something. There is some history shit behind this fight.
*No hate on any group though...
Someone pin this tweet!!!!
Exactly. And I'm sure they know that. They aren't saying it bc...honestly when has anyone ever acknowledged all the bs other fandoms and companies did to bts. Never
Thank you. You told the true here!!! They are just hypocrites who invalidates BTS success but got blind when others cheats. How funny!
Edit: I'm talking about BTS haters btw. Just to clarify
The only legit bb200 no 1 among kpop is no other than BTS! So fair game ...no dirty tricks!
Ooohhh so that’s how it started.Now I see where all the hate came from. But none the less both of the group are super talented..👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I think the problem is that those physical albums were not all bought by americans in america. Even koreans fans that bought the album from a korean site got their album counted for the billboard chart. That's honestly ridiculous to me, beside those 60 bundles lmao.
I just feel bad for the number 2 artist that got 180 million streams for her album in US while SuperM only got 4 million.
Also western artists that do those ridiculous bundles are always called out/ made fun of.
I just wish billboard would make some change about the regulations of their chart, otherwise being number 1 on their chart won't mean anything anymore.
The number 1 album is supposed to be the most popular album in the US (for a certain week) not the least popular one.
Please don't think about them. Don't use their name. We are not part of k pop . We never were. Everyone can play around so let them . Billboard does not represents the whole world and BTS is everywhere . The whole world knows them. Whether billboard changes their policy or not, it will never affect BTS . Just wait for the next BTS comeback.
Please don't waste your energy on anyone who does not mean anything.
No you're not allowed to buy the albums if you're not from the US please research before you say anything
Also BB200 only counts american numbers- albums and streams
What western artists have been called out? I have yet to see that happen over merch bundles from western artists
@@krystalrayne5235 DJ Khaled ring any bells? Or what Nicki Minaj has said?
@@BackToBack1234 Fam, tell me your twitter, I'll follow right aways, cuz you're the most intellectual in the universe!
I hope Sulli's news will make people back off TOP. I mean, we know he's a suicide risk.
Thank you❤
My thoughts exactly
I hope that the ones who are sending the message no that words are very harmful to the spirit and soul and I don't see why they are so hard on top because he wasn't harming anyone but his self and he was at home in his own private so as for him coming back I am looking forward to it, I am a true fan and will stand behind him
Exactly . Wondering why they are not talking about it . I mean dkdktv news is not covering it . Y?
@@10zinlutru90 this ep was recorded before Sulli's death. It was supposed to come out yesterday but they posted that they wouldn't out of respect for her. They posted a video yesterday about depression
@@10zinlutru90 probably filmed the episode before the news broke
The only thing army needs to worry about is support our boys, and spread love ❤️ peace ✌️
The most intelectual comment!!!!
Just want say it - really appreciated the video you uploaded earlier today dkdktv. I'm sure a lot of people will benefit from it.
RIP Sulli, you beautiful, beautiful girl.
We miss you.
who caes about bundles??iam pissed about sm shipping albums to overseas buyers from a us address and then masquerading it as U.S sales.
the excessive bundles are disgusting but i agree with you. they're influencing OUR chart and that makes me so angry.
Exactly. It's open cheating
THAT'S the point!
Billboard has lost its legitimacy
You mean, kind of like how everyone obsesses over which place to buy their album from so that it counts on both the Gaon and Hanteo charts?
Hmmm. Almost as if you're masquerading overseas sales as domestic for the Korean charts?
Some perspective, the album at #2 got 150 million streams in the US, meanwhile the 60 bundles "buy now, pay later" album got only 4 million
중쟈넬아 finally an intellectual 👏
right but billboard weights physical album sales heavier than streams so i don't know how much #2 got in physical album sales but its likely why super m was at #1. Other big artists have done this too in the past where they get ranked #1 even though their streams are less but their actual album sales were higher.
@@nobiasjustlove yeah but their point was that SuperM's album didn't actually have any US demand or popularity and was majority carried by the 60 merch bundles, unlike the #2 album which was actually a hot release in America.
CC it’s a way of showing how demand an artist is ,look at the itunes their albums are out of top 500 already ,it might left the billboard chart next week ,bts albums stay on the billboard chart for years
Ari Butera Moonlight true...it’s gonna have a free fall and it’s definitely gonna lose its credibility... even Kpop as a whole might lose its credibility and that’s the nightmare
This type of situation makes me feel more than ever proud of BTS, and you said it well, BTS don't need these tricky and unethical tactics to win. Merchandise is not music, period.
To correct you, Nicki actually spoke out against bundling.
I think she talked about it on the Ellen show if I'm not mistaken.
And to correct you, she’s a hypocrite for it. She did bundling in the past and now someone else did it and beat her, now it’s a problem.
was that also regarding the beef with travis scott??? or was that about something else
Why is everyone hating on TOP when he just reacted to this rude comment? The one they should be hating is that random commenter he/she is sooo dumb,rude and ignorant.I find TOP comment funny and sarcastic knetz are just too serious (or dumb?) to understand. this. They feel like they have the right to be rude just because idols do not usually fight
back. I feel sorry for these idols mental health.
because idols are expected to be perfect and nice all the time which is bullshit!!! i'm glad top said something to that dumbass.
He got caught doing drugs in 216 which is a big no-no in Korea. It's an uphill battle with that
I hope all the other idols just speak up when they’re getting bullied. It’s their right to defend themselves..like they’re human they’re not “Haneunim”..
I am happy that Top and BigBang have the guts to reply back to haters...bcs right now more idols need to start talking about this problem: kpop has become noticeably toxic compared to the past
Knetz are not very forgiving people. Once you make a small mistake as an idol, that's it. You're branded forever. Even if you have sincerely reflected, apologized and repented.... Nope, Knetz ain't gonna let you go easily.
T.O.P's and Blackpink's behavior does not define who they are as a person, we all know nothing. We should all learn from the previous results of saying bad things against other people. Stay kind.
*Lots of love*
def grace exactly what I thought
exactly
If only YG (the man) understood that before kicking out B.I
@@Showtime_1509 yge (the rat) has left yg
Akane Toriyasu yeh I know and he left a big mess behind
-60 merchandise/album bundles
-also included ticket/album sale
-eight variations of the album itself.
- BUY NOW PAY LATER
-continuous text messages letting them know to buy an album
MERCH IS NOT MUSIC
Yeah i was just shocked and wondered like does every kpop entertainment company asks their fans to buy albums in bundle requesting their fans to buy it to top the charts and rank as number 1 that seemed money oriented business to me rather than an artists music album 😂😂😂😂
one word. desperate
I'm pretty sure sm said that capital records is responsible for all promotions and that they just chose the members and made the music so I'm not sure who to blame
BUYING FROM OTHER COUNTRIES
ok go cry about it to billboard
There was nothing wrong in TOP's comments it's very legitimate reply to such hate comments. Love TOP always.
And i kinda miss him
I was really excited to see who would be the group to top billboard after bts but sm just needs to make kpop look terrible. They have groups like exo and shinee who really deserve it. I mean, exo could've probably topped billboard if they focused on them in the last few years. Most people are not going to acknowledge and overlook this #1. You're not going to beat bts with a 'strategic' trick. I hope sm comes back to their senses after bts' comeback and focus on their most successful groups.
Z z LOUDER PLEASE...!!!!
And cringey
They're just desperate to surpassed the success of BTS can't they see BTS brings a lot of money to S. Korea they are just very envious??I am so frustrated right now what's the point of being fair if someone will do dirty tactics just to get fame
Honestly i liked superm members, but
I agree that they should focus on exo.
I agree with this👍🏻
"Business association" with BTS can go either way: Best Free Advertisement or Worst Nightmare!
this is so true.
Or both... (not in this case though)
For example, the time jungkook's favourite detergent was revealed, and the company couldn't handle the amount of demand and went out of stock in the entire country. It's the best free advertisement but also a nightmare for the staff of the company who has to deal with the aftermath
These "fans" that make such negative, hateful and downright disgusting comments, have MENTAL issues. Their lives revolve around KPOP idols that would never, and I mean never in a million years, find them attractive or suitable to even date. Ladies, and yes you gentlemen too, it's ok to adore these idols, but it's NOT OK, to defame, degrade, debase, or otherwise try to cause harm to other human beings.
PREACH
@@famema5425 Hahaha...I really wasn't trying to preach, but it does look that way. Also, I was trying not to hurt anybodies feelings, but just encourage self awareness, but my own words seemed less than kind. I will try to do better.
Jamie Paul no please don’t apologize people need to consider what their actions are doing to others... since people started to grow up with the “keyboard warrior” (aka BULLY) mentality they think whatever they post online is fine... and it just isn’t esp when it’s hurtful words specifically towards any individual/group... they really need to remember the golden rule...
@@TinasArtPage Thank you! The ones who really concern me are the ones who hide their identity. They set up fake accounts and IP addresses. If you can't reveal your face, you should keep your mouth closed. To me, this proves that they know they are doing something wrong and still CHOOSE to be EVIL. They are so clueless. They need to think about the families of those people they intentionally cyber bully. My daughter was cyber bullied, when she was 14 and being the Mama Bear that I am, I hired a security firm to locate the bully. They found her and I sued her parents and won. I hope Sulli's parents do the same! I would donate to that cause!
I agree with the last sentence, but the first one stigmatizes mental health and the second insults people based on their looks. Not defending bullies by any means, just saying that ad hominim remarks are cheap and blaming mental health is a cop out and outdated. All you needed to say was the last sentence. 👏
BTS and bighit is suing the karaoke shop person who leaked the photos of jungkook and his friend aka the tattoo artist. The tattoo shop is suing too. So that's done.
About superm....there is a huge difference between bundling your album with like a really expensive concert ticket..thats what prince did and some other artists do which is fine cause it just shows you have actual people who do listen to your music and appreciate it so as to come to your concert....it is like "hey you bought this expensive ass concert tickets, here u can have 1 album" ...it's not the same as bundling 5 to 10 albums with a cheap ass merch/ concert ticket.
...there is a thing called artistic integrity and respect towards one's own art. As a music fan in general when people push the boundaries of bundles its disgusting. This goes to all artists who do it. The artist who got no.2 summer walker...got almost all her songs charted on hot 100....and superm didn't chart even 1.....billboard has lost its legitimacy...but artists are at fault too ....just cause you can do some stuff doesn't mean you should.
Blame the entertainment companies not the idols. It's the entertainment companies that decide on merchandising and sales. These idols can't even piss without permission, you really think they have any say in how their companies make money?😂
i totally agree with you!!what SMent doing might be the starting point of downfall of kpop industry,it just make me sad that my favs BTS is having some splash of dirty water which they got nothing to do with...
Exactly 👏👏👏
Like he said. WHO CARES!
It's kpop... The whole idea of kpop is to sell the most you can, there is only a few artists that have artistic integrity. (Because their company controls at the very least the music they release).
Ya'll are behind. It isn't just merch bundles. They were also giving out 10 free digital downloads with one merch sale which they then encouraged people to distribute out to friends. They then advised people to delete the original tweet or download link. In addition, foreign sales contributed to the US charts. There were a couple Korean websites that showed that a Korean fan purchasing the item IN KOREA would have that sale count toward the US Billboard chart which is not okay at all. This is beyond chart manipulation, and Billboard is facing ever increasing controversy for allowing merch bundles to count toward album sales. Not to mention that the end of week predictions on their sales were off by 100k which has never happened before. 10-15k maybe, but 100k is basically turning on the Batsignal and announcing that there are super shady practices going on because you can't be off by that much unless there's so backroom deals. Look into the problem more.
Plus, bundling actually hurts the artist. It cuts into their piece of the sale leaving them with nothing. In fact, sometimes the artist ends up owing money to their own company when merch/ticket bundles are put together. Essentially SM cannabalized their own group for the sake of pride. Shameful. I don't want to hear any "well everyone does it so it's fine." First of all, everyone certainly *doesn't* do it (especially not to this extent), and it screws over the consumer/the artist being forced to bundle/the honest artist that doesn't bundle/the up-and-coming artist without big company money to push their name. This is BS, and you know it. I also hope people realize that all the strides made to legitimize Korean musicians just took some giant leaps back because they'll be viewed as scammers and cheaters, juicing sales through ridiculous bundles/illegal means. Thanks SM. Your greed isn't just a stain on your group, it's a stain for every Korean artist. What a POS.
And I am not attacking the members. In fact, if you love the group and its members, you should be pissed off too because SM is basically making them work endlessly AND taking their money by devaluing their albums.
"Nicki Minaj does it too" if you did research beyond the surface you would know that Nicki spoke out against it. She literally said merch is not music. Anyway, i usually like listening to your opinions but omg please do your research on the music industry if your going to speak on it.
Also the argument, "its okay to do this because other people do this"is not valid. Its equivalent to trying to deflect the problem.
Well she said itbut did it too in the past so what do we with that?!
@@7mbbxmonstax440 what we do with that is that people dont care unless it affects them. nicki did it until it came back and bit her in the ass. just like yt was letting record labels buy views until someone played the system but not in favor of yt. and then they decide to learn some morals. bundle sales have been a controversial topic for a few years now and the only action billboard has really taken is removing some from DJ khalids official numbers.
They say easy come easy gone ,they are rushing them but we will see
Everybody knows David Beckham, my little brother who's 10 years old knows David.
Not everyone know BP but majority will know David Beckham
I've always heard his name but never knew who he was or what he looked like
I heard his name but never really knew him.
dude, facts: everyone knows David Beckham. Even my almost 80 year old grandma... daz just facts. My grandma dunno blackpink 🤷🏻♀️
my grandparents don't know bechkham too
What is your grandma doing in your "dude facts"?
NOT everyone know David Beckham
my old ones never even heard of him so like..... just cus ur granny knows, doesn't mean others do
Sorry but no one care about Beckham now. Manchester United fans mostly talk about Lingard these day.
International fans harassing Jungkook's tattoo shop? Those look like Korean DM's... I'm just saying, American ARMYs ain't gonna trip about whether or not BTS members are dating...
Exactly. I cant believe they would try to say it's international fans . 😂 we have all seen the terror that is k- stans
Seriously, if anything, most US-ARMYs WANT BTS members to date and lead a (somewhat) normal life, for shit's sake. They have to avoid all appearances of dating for K-stans, from what I see.
Exactly...thank God I'm not the only one who sees it...and I totally agree, nothing would make me happier regarding BTS than if it came out that Jungkook, or Suga, or RM, had found a girl that made them happy...this whole celibate, chased, innocent "married to the fans" thing is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard...
@@garretburrow Or found a boy! The Korean market expects celibate Idols...not the rest of us.
Garret Burrow i am pretty sure there are also some international fans who would act crazy when they really start dating.... of course not all... bjt there are always black sheeps
I'm 19. And I know who David Beckham is. He's definitely more famous. I mean even people who don't like football/soccer knows who he is.
I sometimes can't stand Danny or his opinion. But I can't help coming back because he's like the Pepper to our Salt.
I know he can be a bit too much at times with his opinion but I quite like that he is different. It just adds spice to the channel! I think he is being a little more careful and respectful
i hope you guys have watched nicki minaj's comment regarding bundles. artists who sell their music solely would also feel unfair, where's the essence of selling your music then? no hate on superm, just their shitty US management.
just want to point out those who congratulate them for achieving their 'goals' when they drag bts down years ago:
other fandoms before: *bts charts, wins social artist* desperate, we don't need western validation, our faves promote in a classy way, ect
other fandoms now: *faves spam them to buy their album, charts because of bundle* woo! asian representation! *suddenly have memory loss*
armys: flop
them: toxic!
how funny.
dunno if its shitty mgmt, but honestly bundles should have never been a thing in the first place so people can't whine about it being a shady tactic and unfair.
Yes Nicky speak abt it clearly she's against bundling . T-shirts, sweatshirts are not music 😂 btw billboard is the one to be blamed 🙄
I feel like if you're buying your fav's merch, you probably like their music and want to help them buying it, so I don't really see the matter of doing this since you're probably already listening to their music and all
I hope you also know that Nicki was called out for being hypocritical and a sore loser because she has also bundled CDs w/concert tickets, etc.
brooooo yessss she was SO MAD at Travis Scott
Its strange that superm charted in the 200 but not hot100. Because all the other albums on the list have a song on hot100 but not superm
But if the credit was established then the album would it still chart if it's not paid in the time given to the person who bought it
@Stan Ethereal Figures then why is the song not charting as well
@Aer /// I know why make a whole new group when they could have done it with exo or shinee
Not that weird. Kpop is still niche, with the exception of BTS. Buying power, but not the streaming power. Not to mention that SM stans are still divided on the group and are known for not streaming in the way that Blinks or Armys do.
@Aer /// it's so fcking obvious. Lol. Where is the album charting on iTunes, spotify, bb hot 100? No significant presence bc these charts aren't as easily manipulated!
No one:
Literally no one:
Danny: is she cute?
anne dla priorities are important
Being a fan means not hurting the others
You haters are the reason people go into depression
Kpop already is so stereotyped and now they have this scammer reputation in the west.. Do whatever you want use whatever method you want but the next time if my group charts without any bundling tactics and if people generalize them as regular scammer then I'm going to be very pissed...
Honestly I really hope Billboard changes their regulations on bundling, otherwise I'm sure other kpop companies are going to do the same thing which would be TERRIBLE for the already existing negative stereotypes of kpop
@@imtheguy1001 They said they would review it by 2020 ..i don't know how long it would take...
1. Westerns bundle all the time. Y’all are so terrible ignorant and dense that you don’t do any research what so ever. Bundling is not new and I promise you if it was bad capitol (and american company) would not take that risk. Also 2. Bts have bundled before, literally bundled at 60K concert meaning they sold 60K albums yet no one said anything? To blame any potential “criticism” from the west towards kpop because of one kpop group doing something other westerners have done for years is so shit considering the west is gonna criticize kpop regardless because they’re racist and treat kpop as some sort of phenomenon.
cyberluvr yes western artists do bundles but not 60+ and they don’t give out codes to get a sell either if they didn’t have all those bundles they wouldn’t be number 1 period and they only had 4k streaming units which is low for an album that’s supposed to be at the top and they made it to where the abysmal could only be bought in the us and have it shipped out later so it could go on bb and the whole get now pay later shit ain’t it either sm is gonna ruin not only superm’s reputation but also shinee’s nct’s and exos if they keep up with this bs even their fans are tired of them begging for us to buy albums including me
cyberluvr y’all gotttta stop bringing up citifield like it’s anywhere near similar to what super m and other artists are doing. BTS bundled ONE show but they’ve topped the chart 3 times. Also those 60k didn’t even get them the number one for ly: answer. They debuted that week with 185k while second place had 110k. Would’ve topped the chart regardless.
David Beckham is the most famous Footballer ever. By saying "Most" I mean rest of the football nations+ soccer addressing nations knows him 😆
I can't believe you think bundles are okay ...I don't care that others do it...thats the same as a child getting in trouble for bad behavior & excusing the behavior cause others are doing it!! No it's flat out wrong.
You didn't look up all the background on the issue. The ranking determines awards. If you get a title due to manipulation then you are making a mockery of the music business.
So that you know this issue highly investigated due controversy that arose in late 2018. Ruling has changed but will not go into effect till 2020. Bundles will not be allowed in ranking of artists. & its about time. Reason waiting till 2020 as new rule determined in June 2019 & already artists had already used bundles to gain top ranks. So starting fresh new start this next year.
This is a big issue. It's not okay. As then those with deep pockets can manipulate the system.
Also what about bulk order of albums in US then shipped to S Korea for resale? Those charts are to based upon sales in US only. Do you understand the significance of these actions?
I want people around the world to acknowledge Kpop for its quality of music & performance. Not determined by merchandise.
Controversary that brought all to a head & why...
DJ Khaled & Travis Scott brought forth the issue of what bundling does for artists.
Marketing is everything when you’re famous, and DJ Khaled is one we’ve seen among the heavy hitters that want rankings. According to the New York Times, “bundles” help artists boost their rankings on Billboard’s charts. This is because bundles cost way more than the price of an album and allow the artist to claim higher sales. An album costs what? $10-20? While an album “bundled” with merchandise can push that sale to over $100.
Title is determined by sales. As you can see adding merchandise in the mix gives higher dollars earned & less albums sold.
So then ranking in music charts are not being determined by the music but by the merchandise.
The system is wrong. Needs fixed. As of 2020 bundling will not be allowed.
Woah ur comment is lit 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 everyone need to know this so a true artist wont get swallowed up by the big money making agencies👏👏👏
@@railexdosch1360thank you .... it is something that American artists got into heavy in last years. I am like then who should have been brought forth as true leaders of music being sold? Who got cheated out of the prize getting that #1 does for careers? It's really sad business that it ever was allowed.
I am so thankful the group I stan didn't get #1 status from bundles. They earned it for their music. As it should be. & when ranking are seen the dollars overall earned the group I stan out sold SuperM & did it without bundles. The $ stated are for debut purposes to give rankings.
I am shocked Danny & David didn't look this up.
Ur got to be an army toxic as always
@@tellthem9133 Nothing she said was toxic.
@@tellthem9133 It's not toxic to share facts. But then its toxic to label others. Try thinking on that!
everyone, and i mean everyone, knows who David Beckham is
I feel really bad for TOP, he’s had an awful few years!
that bundle thing reminds me of the UA-cam ADs counting as views for MVs scummy but still legit and should be changed and updated soon
Ooooo. This, nice!!
That has been changed at least for 1st 24 hrs.......
As a Korean American, I'm just embarrassed by SuperM and SM with this 60 bundles tactic. You all should see locals tweets in regards SuperM beating Summer Walker. Can't even blame them since I knew this was going to happen. You can already see it with the Social Artists chart. It reads like Inkigayo line-up yet none of those Idol groups sell in the U.S. Take all the bundles away and SuperM is just another long line of SM groups selling 25k units. I can respect EXO's past hustle, but NCT and SuperM, yall selling out, bending over and taking it up the you know what and thanking the industry for it without even getting a reach around. FYI - it costs artists money out of their own pocket to bundle merch. Also, with about half their concert tickets still available, which I assume is where SM planned to get their $$$ back from not getting anything from album sales (actually paying Capitol for the bundles), if you're invested in SM, good luck come that 4th and next year's 1st quarter earnings reports.
Capital records does their promotion tho, if I understand correctly sm didn't invest that much money into it and just produced the music. I think sm mostly want exols and shawols to get to know nct and took the offer capital records made (yes, the idea isn't even SMs). Capital records probably thought it would make profit lol
@@triangles-zb7np Where did you get that SM didn't invest much money in to it and only produced the music? Capitol Records have never taken this level of embarrassing promotion and bundling with any of their artists before, it just screams SM.
@@imtheguy1001 that's what they said on the press conference and other people said that too but I could be wrong. Maybe the bundle thing really is sm idk
@@triangles-zb7np Capitol Records is doing their promo, but look into bundling merch. Artists pay out of their pocket to the label. In this case, SM, not SuperM, pays Capitol for the bundling. Capitol, depending on how much they made off the front-loaded bundling, may or may not have made a profit since they spent a lot on promoting the group. My guess is neither will make much profit off this venture. Capitol since there isn't much in terms of pure album sales w/o bundling. SM since they won't sell out their concerts. But the news of the #1 did bump SM stock up 3k won so there's that for them
@@krnboy18 thank you for the information!
Is this you guys meaning of the new face of kpop in america and avengers of kpop...Wowwww
The problem with bundles is that not EVERY artist can do it. It’s been proven in studies that bundling causes companies to LOSE money, meaning only those that can afford to can do bundling, essentially buying their way to the top. So brand new artists like Summer Walker, who got 155M streams in the US last week, but can’t afford to do a massive amount of bundling, lose their deserved number 1 album to an artist with only 4M steams in the US. Summer had like 7 songs from her album chart on the Hot 100, Jopping was 25 on the bubbling under (LITERALLY the lowest position you can possible chart a single). What this shows is that their really ISNT a demand by US consumers for SuperM, and that the bundling massively inflated their numbers.
This will result is a ton of media play and will cast a shadow of doubt on any future korean artists that get number 1. It’s also possible that because of this, the album will drop straight off the chart which is honestly more embarrassing that if they had charter at a decent rank and slowly fell off.
6th week in Billboard 200, 6th week No. 1 World Digital Album, sold out concert Madison Square Garden
Joyonghi Ijeneun ya and after i posted this it was discovered that they’re importing albums from the US to WW. It’s still not being sold anywhere but the US so of course their sales are still higher enough to chart when their entire WW sales are counting towards it... and MSG isn’t as great of an achievement as you seem to think it is. Sure it’s a good sized arena, but with members made from pre-existing popular kpop groups I don’t think anyone was really expecting otherwise. Especially in one of the largest cities in the world where kpop has always been fairly popular. Like congrats for them but as much as you’d like to say it they aren’t a “rookie group” selling out MSG. Exo fans alone could probably do that and they don’t have a super massive presence in the US either. SuperM’s streaming numbers are still non-existent, which i also mentioned in my comment and you didn’t address at all...hmmmmm
Joyonghi Ijeneun none of the separate groups sold anything out but the combination of popular members from the different groups did? like that’s something to be proud of. it literally took SM taking their more notable idols from their own groups and throwing them together and making them perform a overhyped song like Jopping and release a mini album of all things 🤦🏽♀️ if that’s what you’re proud of, congratufuckinglations you stan a shitty ass concept.
Thank you for spelling it out Ciana. We do have to talk about it so that Billboard and other institutions make changes, like Grammys. “Gaming” the system shouldn’t be acceptable and ignored based on exactly what you wrote about, very well said. For fans of the groups it’s not the artist in question it’s their company’s choosing to devalue their own artist just to gain a top position. For the company to prepare so many bundles they already knew that without it their artist would not be #1 in the US. This does not help Kpop it’s just sad.
summer walker has a lot of entry on hot 100 ; Super M doesn't. The amount of bundle sales they use was ridiculous; 60 bundles..
i know she used bundles too.. at least people are listening to her music.. (she has the streams to back it up)
congratulations to Super M .... but this is going to follow them for a very long time. The locals are not happy with them.
what is the point of making music, to sell T-shirts and posters?
it not Super M fault.. i blame SM greedy ass.
Also billboard is changing the bundling rules next year..... good luck to everyone and their faves.
Just regurgitating shit you read on Twitter. Lmao
Is bb really changing the bundles rule?
@Ruby Suho I’m from stan tweet tf... and show me where I lie in my original post.. 🙄
@VTS 1230 yes because of the mess DJ khaled created because of bundling... he was pissed because he did not get number 1 early this year.... yes the rules for bundling will change in 2020... but I don’t know if they will cancel it or put a limit to it... anyways we shall see.
Vickie' S ahh i just hope they completely destroy it. But if not then create a different category then...with and without bundles
I saw T.O.P.’s name so I clicked real fast 😂
I’m really hoping for a BIGBANG comeback
Me too!!!!
Me, i'm not even a VIP. But i'm worried about top mental health. I believe he's being harassed too Much.
Mich Sm Yeah i agree
Same here
@@jazzylike89 i have faith in him that he will withstand it :)
Go research why we are mad about it. Celebrities from US market does that I agree but BTS had slowly gain respect from xenophobic people here from organic results but another group come in a prove again kpop is manufactured. You only think it is all about results. It just ruin the korean image.
Louder sist👏
Facts
Facts and tea!!
Facts
Not only korean but pocs and Asians in general
The whole world know who David Beckham is even small little Caribbean countries do
Small little??
@@purpleheart6953 I was gonna put the country I'm from then I decided not to but then I forgot that word was there so 🤷🏽♀️
actually, going by the rules (when the other artists who follow the same rules are pissed at superm) doesn't make it acceptable.
example: criminals are condemned by the public and the law, but they are legally innocent because of the law. they played the law, similar to how superm (SM) played the rules. the telltale sign is when other artists are pissed, it shows that you did something that is against the rules (but technically not against the rules).
*in terms of being a heartless businessman, this is perfectly fine. in terms of being respectable artists who compete fairly with music (even fairly with small artists), this is a joke.* this isn't like, "we can't help it. we are popular so we can't help it that our fans made us #1." this is literally manipulating their popularity knowing it will be unfair to smaller artists who worked hard.
ofc, some other artists who want to exploit the rules might do the same thing, but if u do it as well, u are just being like them. their actions don't justify yours.
Danny again? "it's been like that ... get used to it people." so to paraphrase, "corruption (in any field of your choice) has been like that ... get used to it people."
no... crime exists with order, but we have to keep fighting crime to maintain the balance. corruption is the same. you don't simply stop fighting against corruption, because then u can't maintain the balance. another questionable life lesson from Danny...
Seeing all this criticism on SuperM and their marketing strategies makes my heart hurt, since I dearly love all the members and believe that they can do great things together. I think their concerts will be an amazing synergy of their different energies and I can't wait for their future activities! SuperM Fighting!
I personally don't have neither a positive or negative opinion on the whole bundleing issue, but at the same time I've never given much shit about charts, awards, trophies and whatever. It all becomes kind of meaningless after a while, especially when everybody is just trying to one-up each other without actually appreciating and enjoying the music & entertainment anymore. the main thing that bothered me is that the albums are so hard to get if you dont live in the US...international shipping+customs is a bitch.
But everybody is allowed to have their opinion, and people are allowed to express their feelings! I just wish they were more respectful in the way they talk online. as a superm/nct fan, twitter is an absolute nightmare right now, it gets downright insulting and hateful….people forget that the idols themselves probably have as much say in the marketing & planning as we do.
Your comment really cheered me up while scrolling through the comment section! Thank you for just loving the guys and conciously being postive and peaceful instead of arguing about a lot of things that we can't influence and don't even really concern us. I'm glad to come across comments like yours :)
Agree with everything you said. People (especially armys) are hating on them like crazy. I believe superM deserves all the love, attention and success coming their way. Hopefully this other immature fandom can grow up soon
@@LC-in2ft if this was marketing tactic, sorry but it was a bad one. They are great artists but the huge ego of SM ent. make them do this. One thing is to obtain an album with a concert ticket but with stickers, buttons?? . They as artist deserved better.
Well to me it is not like fans don't know what they buy when they bought the merch so why would people invalidate they achievement?
If you love the members, you should be angry at bundling. Bundling cuts into their profits from the sales. It's essentially a way companies can cannabalize their own artists for the sake of a #1 title. It hurts the members you love, and it should be outlawed. With the way SM did both ticket and merch bundles, the members probably made hardly any profit at all (pennies for the amount of hard work they're putting into this project). Many, many artists have spoken up against this practice. If you love the members, you should be against bundling (especially bundling to such an extreme).
For the first time I actually don’t agree with them💀💀 I know everyone is doing bundles ok but at least these artists are charting on hot 100 and shit. Superm hasn’t and it looks so lame to see that they are doing all these bundles like earn your way there😭 or at least chart. I have respect for those who earn their way to success not buy their way. Y’all want to talk abt all this “marketing” and that they want to make money but I don’t think that’s what artists become artists for. It’s to make music not money. Idk that’s just my opinion 👌🏽 great video
Maybe not the artista but it's most definitely what the entertainment companies are all about and it's the companies that decide on merchandising and pricing.
Bundling has also been a big thing in books for a while. A lot of people made bestseller lists by bundling their book with a bunch of other author’s books in the same genre, allowing 20 people to get a bestseller title instead of just one.
Christa Buki Boo tf r u talking abt? They got number 1 on BB200 not hot 100.
Stan Day6 Cowards baby ur mixing up BB200 with Hot 100 🥵🥵 check again
@@Booksarecool55 They didn't get #1 on hot 100, No korean act ever did. However they got it on BB 200 which is what people are talking about
Superm are indeed now tainted forever in my eyes.
I don't care if all these artists "beat the system" because bundles are allowed. Billboard should make that not allowed. And while we are at it.... radio should play what's being most streamed and sold instead of playing what they get paid to play!
😂😂😂😂 Jesus the amount of childishness is staggering
@@krystalrayne5235 Yes I agree. All who thinks this was a proud achivement are so childish.
Having a good marketing strategy ain't cheap but you hating on em instead of being like okay good for em, shows a lot about your character.
@@MewDenise 😂😂😂😂 keep on with your immaturity, it's quite entertaining
@@Lian_kun How at all is this a good marketing strategy for SuperM? All it's doing is pointing to how manufactured they are.
Look at the streams between #1 and #2 - it's so sad
Then don't look. You won't have to be sad then
I don’t watch sports and I still know who he is
I’m sure he’s more famous and I am a blink btw
I hope one day this bundling system get destroyed and banned permanently
It's ok for concert tickets as tickets cost a lot..
Y do i feel superm/jopping will be a dark chapter in kpop history. Its sad tht the talented members are being dragged for no reason
people also blame SM but apparently its capitol records who came up with the ingenious idea of "Kpop avengers" 💀
@@kingkha9363 tht avengers thing is so cringey its overshadowing everything thy do
superm built to "Make money" not make music..
music is not merch
I don’t get how you can downgrade idols into “a product to make money.” They are artists too with feelings.
They literally made music and they can sing unlike other people we know.
Do you realise selling bundles means they're losing money than gaining? It's a strategy to get people to know them better through charts. People will obviously like them because of their music once they check them out.
@@onceyouchogiwayoucantchogi3356 "People will obviously like them because of their music once they check them out" Are you kidding? Everything about SuperM is as manufacture as you can get, how at all do you think that they will garner any sort of meaningful US fanbase? They're excessive bundling is only damaging their reputation.
I may be wrong but I read Lou Miere’s comment as a critique on SM and not the artists. Tbh superm has to be a success since SM has a lot riding on this. It astounds me when people are shocked that kpop companies employ sus tactics to promote and increase sales.
i think all boybands are built to make money or companies wouldn't invest in them if they thought they would be complete failure. this is naive thinking. will every band be successful? no, but companies take risks/calculations in that what they think will be and invest.
The haters who sent those DMs are definitely the scum of the earth what did they get from sending those messages. Smh just disgraceful
Exactly
Just to help :) Sorry if i'm tiny bit off.
(Please like for me to know that I should do this for all the next DK NEWS)
0:00 - 0:14 ~ INTRO
0:15 - 0:46 ~ All news
0:48 - 1:30 ~ Good news
1:33 - 6:23 ~ Blackpink being late
6:24 - 11:47 ~ T.O.P from Bigbang mentioned BIGBANG's future
11:49 - 18:14 ~ Jungkook's tattoo shop striking bad towards the haters
18:17 - 20:44 ~ QUACKBACK
20:48 - 28:26 ~ SuperM topping billboard awards (Top 200 chart) and controversy
Then I challenge you DKTV to dig deeper into why Army are reacting this way, regarding SM #1. It’s not about competition.
Army act entitled. This is not going to do anything to BTS so I don't know what they are worried about. Lmao.
Ruby Suho no worries, it’s nothing about worry but everything about justice(and disgust).
Nothing about the members, everything about the company media plays and the tiring provocative attitude of a bunch of their fans. We just want respect. That’s all.
Thank you for your response though, have a good night.
@@ysiaappoline3381 well said. It's sad when calls for fairness are considered "bullying "
Billboard whatever! I don't care....BTS have ARMY and they are going to get GRAMMY
Marketing vs music 🙄 marketing 80%, music 20% 😂
I'm glad that bang PD nims vision is the exact opposite of that company..... Just saying 🤔
@@angelmiaka9899 that's great for bang pd, i hope companies don't copy each other and should do stuff differently, only way to figure out what works and doesn't. If no one tries anything new, no one will know if it will be successful or not. Super M is something that hasn't been done before in the kpop industry so everyone has it under a microscope to see what happens. You know if it succeeds other companies may start doing similar stuff, crossover idols within their own company roster or maybe even cross over company idols? haha one can imagine...
SuperM : Album sales: 168,000
Pure album sales:164,000
How about this?
😂😂😂👍👍
dekammm Only 4k of SuperM’s sales came from bundles. Refusing to realize that SuperM's fandom is literally 3 of the top 10 biggest kpop fandoms combined. They were never gonna flop.
I am an ARMY, and I don't know why my timeline is filled with fights between two fandom, not all are really into it, but some are, and I can only ignore, coz it is rubbish, I am extremely happy with SuperM, exactly as u said it is a marketing strategy, anyone can do anything unless Billboard doesn't specify or limit down chart rules, if Billboard accepts, no matter what means they achieve it truth won't change, so it is good for SuperM, also this won't let BTS down in any ways, so take a chill pill you all☺️✌️
fr people act like they don't wanna see multiple groups succeed at the same time
i remember kpop used to be unified when one group succeeds all groups succeed if multiple people/groups get famous over seas thats even better why yall constantly fighting
counting sales from other countries in our chart is a problem though and billboard will have to fix it.
nicki minaj already shared her opinion regarding this. why would they sell merch if she is selling her music? that's not fair. marketing strategy-wise, yes but obviously, gp won't take kpop seriously after this.
It is not specifically about SuperM. Army protested when Jonas Brothers did it too. But Kpop stan or you only see it as Army not wanting SuperM to succeed. The issue is not them getting #1. It is how they got their #1. It is not fair for the #2 who was robbed. A lot of artists are speaking up on this issue. Check out Nicki Minaj on Ellen.
Let's just congratulate them on their BB#1. We all know those bundling moves caused their reputation to plummet. So much for not seeking "western validation"🤭
Danny: SuperM is a relatively small fandom.
Logic: ......Umm are they not made out of multi groups, thus multi fandoms?
Alexis Abdine ikr that's what I was thinking.. But I guess only stans of members support not whole fandom
I am an Army, and I actually don't care who and how they make it top at Billbord chart. Congratulations to SuperM for topping it. Good for Korean music. But the only reason I think BTS is different, is because they never targeted US market, it happened on its own. Cause no-one even topped billboard before and they never in 100 years though of doing it. Maybe just targeted of UA-cam views. And members genuinely don't seem to care of it. I would say not every Army is nice, and some are total assholes. But theses 7 guys are amazing humans and I'm proud to be a real Army.
Songs are bad: let's sell clothes instead!
Minguk Films I need someone like you in my life 😂😂😂
that was funny!
The songs aren’t really that bad I can’t stand the rain and super car are really good but it’s S.M. so they already have a huge fan base when you put some of these best artist together
Album is sold out in official websites and stores: let's give the other fans a chance and add it to the merch
I respect your opinion, you are entitled to it, but the songs on their album were really good from my own standpoint. It went with the concept they were going for.
BigHit is suing the person that released the CCTV footage now
oh really?? m glad then😊
Oh David, the way you say its just kpop and no need to be competing. Tell that to SMent with all their mediaplay now that their group achieved No.1 and self-proclaimed as the Avengers of Kpop. imagine how k-media gonna react to it. imagine the industry who’s bitter with BigHit will use this oportunity to downplay BTS. yeap. it aint that deep.
It's not that deep!
You have to remember that it's just business and all that these companies want to do is to simply make money off of their idols, whether it's BigHit or SM.
@@leehoo9783 Are you seriously calling music "just business"? Maybe a lot of kpop (especially SM) is like that, but where BigHit and BTS are at as artists... that's a serious undervaluing of who they are
@@imtheguy1001 Some idols might be artists (btw I don't understand why only BTS are considered as artists when there are plenty of other kpop idols who write and produce their own stuff), but it doesn't change the fact that these kpop companies' main goal is not to create or spread art, but to produce profit for the company, for its employees and for the artists as well.
So there's nothing wrong with saying that it's just business, because if it wasn't about business, then there wouldn't be the need to sell albums, concert tickets and merch.
( btw, sorry if I spelled something wrong, English is not my first language)
@@leehoo9783 I can link you to this for some insight on BTS and why they're considered as 'artists' specifically
Of course these companies want to make money, but there's a difference between the extent each company takes this to, I would say SM would be at one end of manufactured for money and Bighit on the opposite end. I would never say that it is 'just for business', even for SM as they have artists who love to release music for fans and want to be heard etc. The purpose of selling albums, concert tickets, and merch of course is to make money, because there would be no reason for all of that to be free, and if it were to all be free, they literally couldn't make a career out of it. Selling your art does not make you not an artist, or just 'business'.
Also, when you look at BTS and BigHit who have allowed them to express themselves as artists freely, I don't see how that could be labelled as just business either.
I live for Danny whispering “boys interact” during quack back lol
It's not just the bundling (I mean 60 is ridiculous, did you see the free download links too??) It's the fact that they counted international sales as US sales to chart on billboard (or bundleboard as it's known as), by shipping to a US address and then ship international. Western artists don't even do this.
Also, this isn't the first time Armys have called out bundling, we speak out when Taylor, Ariana, Justin etc. does it, but K-pop fans are made at us for calling out SuperM? We do it for everyone, no one's getting special treatment. Bighit tried it out for the one Citifield concert last year (but ONLY after they already charted #1 without it) and you had to redeem it at the concert. They found that it made no difference so have never done it again
This kinda crap over Jongkook is just going to isolate him from being able to build genuine friendships. Who's going to want to hang out with him through fear of getting dragged and harassed. I think Big Hit had a moral duty to help them out. Makes them look bad leaving them to fend for themselves when it's their artist that's inadvertently caused this mess. I feel really sorry for them. This is their livelihood and could have severe financial consequences for the staff. It's not like Jongkook will face those issues. Big hit could pay for a lawyer to represent the company to sue those leaving such comments to compensate for loss of income. That would be the nice thing to do.
@Aer /// they DO know who leaked the pictures and footage, BH is suing them.
The standard PR tactic is to ignore. When that didn't work, they released an official statement. Now they're taking legal action along with the tattoo shop.
Don't talk if you're not going to do your research. Google is free.
@@invisistillawen
@Aer /// Just wanted to clarify that BH suing karaoke bar for cctv leak. But there has been another one recently. Pictures from inside of that tattoo shop where JK is clearly posing for a pic with a shop employee. So people are suspicious that someone from that shop (maybe it's not the owner at all, but just irresponsible employee like the one from karaoke bar) is leaking private info and maybe that's why BH is cautious when dealing with them
ill tell you guys why people bring up that this was not a ‘real achievement’ by superm , it’s because as soon as people got to know about it , half of their fandom , instead of being happy about their fav’s success , started dissing bts and armys 🥴 by saying stuff like oh look whose now walking on the road you guys built and the whole ratmys thing etc etc and armys being the ever triggered fandom they are , started replying to this hate by saying that ‘oh well it doesn’t even matter because your fave’s feat isn’t even something to celebrate about’ , and it’s always like that , personally , as an army , i dont really care about superm , i thought i’d get into them if their music attracted me but it wasn’t enough but im still happy for them and congratulate them :D (not that my congratulations really matters x)) but yeah i feel like fanwars are stupid and it’s time exols (there are other fandoms too but this is the main one) and armys stopped fighting like who cares , our faves are earning millions and we are out here dying fighting on the internet , let’s just listen to their music and be peaceful 😌
Don't play the victim card! You guys are bashing SuperM even before their debut until now. Your fellow armys are everywhere in every SuperM's posts on twitter talking sh*t about the boys. Of course, there are good and paceful Armys, but there are many disrespectful Armys too everywhere on twitter attacking other fandoms.
@@joshikadevi7237 First: I don't say that the whole fandom do this. I said that MANY Armys bashes SuperM since before their debut until now. Actually. Yes. Only some bad Armys bashes SuperM. Go to twitter or IG and you will see it. Second: Your sarcasm don't invalid my point.
@Blinkeu FOREVER This is called business. The boys signed with Capitol Records, the most US legendary record company. They're music experts and know what to do. And Billboard herself validated their #1 at BB200. If they did something wrong Billboard would blocked them.
Ana Porto exols and nctzens along with many more groups bashed superm not just armys, no one is playing the victim card. He/she was just stating how the fanwar should just end, and we should all just appreciate the idols music. Incase you didn’t understand that the first time you read it.
@@uhokayand My first comment was directed to these false statement that said we bullied Armys or bts themselves. We, spermies, don't bash Armys at first. We respect bts achievement and their hard work. But we don't need to respect these bad apples who come to us insulting our boys. We replied them. We don't attack. If you have a twitter acc you will see. Some paceful Armys are also bothered with the Armpits' behavior.
When, the number one spot has 4 million streams and number two has 180 million streams, you know its not fair. If you say it is, you’re lying to yourselves
Literally *everyone* knows who David Beckham is, my classmate has a crush on his son Romeo.
I bought a Super M concert ticket but I’m really thinking about getting my money back.. sometime feels off, I feel weird supporting this company that’s obviously taking advantage of them. As much as I love all of the guys in the group I just don’t think I could sit there at the concert and enjoy it knowing what’s probably going on behind the scenes :(
"relatively smaller fanbase" bruh they got fandoms from 4 different kpop groups. I'm quite happy 4 them, its a huge thing for the artists and their hard work does not go unnoticed. It's a fishy strategy bundling all of ur albums with merch but oh well... what can we expect from an industry right.
I'm afraid the 'relatively smaller fanbase' is true to a considerable extent actually (and I mean no one can even come close to BTS in terms of fandom size anyhow). A pretty big part of the original fandoms (primarily exo-l) are still not too happy about this whole SuperM project and aren't supporting the album. But I totally agree with you in the sense that I'm really happy for the artists! Although the whole billboard chart is pretty fishy, ranking high is still considered a considerable feat so props to them *clap clap*
David Beckham!! Superstar!! Soccer! Married to a Spice girl!! Blackpink isn’t that known where I’m from!
Audrey Stewart where are you from?
T13 are kings I live in Las Vegas! USA
Audrey Stewart oh cool
the problem is superm albums that bought via sm olshop by koreans can shipped to korea and it still counted on bb ..while bb actually is only based on usa sales.. sm didnt give options to buy album in korea but only one usa based album sales link
MERCH IS NOT MUSIC and that's all I'm gonna say.
Enya Estrellado lol.BTS is the king of merch.They are very successful bcs their merch is going so well.They sold 3M physical albums on worldwide this year.If merch is not music,Taeyeon,IU,and ikon are bigger than BTS by digital streams
SHINee SHAWOL I’m sorry to hurt your feelings but they have never stoop so low even when they were starting. You’re right their label makes too many merch but they are not to sell WITH albums. In their lys concert in citifield NYC they gave albums to those who has attended the concert but the album already ranked 1 and sold out millions of copy of it even the songs were number 1 in Spotify and iTunes. What’s not clicking with SuperM? Apparently their song didn’t reach any spot in Spotify nor iTunes but the album ranked 1 bb charts? Well actually I have no words anymore what’s done has been done and their label is to blame I just pity your idols that’s all to it. And once again MERCH IS NOT MUSIC.
why do you care so much about another artist getting a #1?
curvytangerine oh no I care so much about a group getting number 1 is the most lowest way. This act is definitely a shame for Kpop ruining Kpop’s dignity thank goodness we got our Independence Day from kpop we BTSPOP now we don’t bout y’all kpopies now. Anyway MERCH IS NOT MUSIC.
Enya Estrellado stfu looser ass bitch
I don’t care that SM advertised the crap out of them and though I don’t see bundling as legitimate sale numbers, it’s not different from what other western artists are currently doing too. Where my problem lies is that they only made these albums available in the US to purposely influence an American chart where majority Americans did not buy and don’t know who they are.
The chart is not meant to reflect international purchases just like gaon isn’t meant to reflect western purchases.
David beckam has been a star for so many years. He's not going to care that an event ran 20 minutes late.
Beckham probably doesn't but the *journalists and media people* certainly cared since they have other events to go to and they are the last people that you want to piss off so respecting their time and being punctual is an important thing to consider as well
@@anisahs2110 I disagree.
I think journalists are terrible people and their actions after BP were late proved that.
They deserve nothing but contempt.
For Superm defense, yes its marketing, yes they did not cheat the system and yes they got BB200 #1 (for at least a week).
However, the funny thing is they targeted US market, but instead of getting to the top organically, with honor and swag, they chose this way which is complete 180 turn from their concept "Avengers of Kpop". Sending message like " we are this much away from #1", "get us to #1" and so on was kinda cheap (it wouldn't be if it wasn't about "avengers"). I also heard the issue of use of VPN for buying the albums here and there, but I don't think that matters now since they got #1. These things were off for me. If you want to come as a tiger in the US market, you should roar as one. Coming from top groups like EXO, SHINee and NCT, they should have earned the #1 title, not begged for it.
Apart from this, the MV was decent and choreography was lit (lyrics were off). I hope this event won't hamper the legacy of these top groups. I honestly like the members, and its not the fault of superm at all. Its the money hungry corporation, SM's fault to the entirety. All these 3 groups were doing great. For US, they should have pushed NCT.
It's SHINee not SuperJunior.... 💀
@@kidcaptainwembri I am soooo sorry .. I wrote it so fast so uggghhhh
@@wernerheisenberg9138 No worries, it's all good 👍
Agreed, after NCT’s very successful world tour more success is bound to come! Sm is too greedy to care for their artist 🤧
That was classic sarcastic T.O.P imo and as for Big Bang, they ended on a high and it should stay that way.mehat I would love is for solo work and unit work to come out.
The tattoo shop has been DM’ing fans and saying things like Jungkook was drunk, this has been screen capped as evidence. They’ve actively been engaging with fans and non-fans on kkt and refused to follow advice.
The tattoo shop has made everything more than it ever needed to be and BigHit has no responsibility to anyone but BTS, the tattoo shop is in no way entitled to help from BigHit. Also pictures from inside the tattoo shop were leaked, so let’s be real if BigHit has to do anything, it is to take legal action on the tattoo shop.
SM disrespected their artists by doing this because this is straight up cheating. This isn’t just about ARMY or BTS, this is about them destabilising the little bit of legitimate reputation BTS had earned for K-pop and this is cheating other artists out rightful spots.
The biggest cheating is SM making Korean fans buy from the US, any other fandoms fans could have done that but we all worked hard and within the rules, the fact SM did this and billboard accepted it, is disgusting.
The problem that is quiet alarming is not the just THE bundling. Like American artists (almost everyone) literally use bundles for their albums. But the thing is, it has been reported (article posted) that album purchases from outside the US is COUNTED in the chart which I know for a fact its not allowed because the BB200 is based for US demand ONLY. So the question is now, were they really including international shipping? Plus, the 60+ bundles. And the whole you buy merch, you get like 10 albums thing. It's not just bundling. You are literally giving away albums. (Sources articles online)
And tbh, this will definitely hurt the image of kpop itself. The reputation of kpop artists as gimmicking to go on top will be marked onto other kpop artists that will follow in the future.
P.S. Danny. You are not a hater. You are just both an anti and a fan which I admit is good cause I am like that too.
I think this is going to hurt Super M as a whole. They don’t have the recognition for this. There whole image is very disingenuous (Kpop in general is) that’s why these groups don’t do well in the US, by doing this it hurts there image and feeds into the fakeness. Also why people are side-eyeing this is because the content sucks; the lyrics are laughable. The 3 artists that you mentioned all needed the help and padding to sell their records, that shows that they were desperate and that hurts their integrity and image. I can’t even name a song from the one. Prince hadn’t had a selling/charting album in years. DJ Khalid was definitely desperate since people turned on him for oral sex “scandal”.
YES LEGITIMACY OF BILLBOARD IS NOT SO SACRED
Why is it BTS vs SuperM? Why can't it be Kpop vs the American music market. Join forces!
Why it always has to be always anyone vs anyone, like the toxic competitions of fandoms of each group, genre etc. Why people can't just live in peace and harmony. Like the global music market is evolving. Nowadays u don't have to be a English speaking artist from US or anywhere West to get recognised globally. And the major chunk of that comes of ofcourse by BTS as they paved the path for not just K-pop but other global artists as well.
And above all the it is K-pop winning and it's talent and deserving winning so we should be proud of that....
We are basically in one of the most historical time for Music right now in general...!!!! ✌️
People that don't watch soccer know who David Beckham is.
Football
@@tatalala8301 In America, we call it soccer. It's no disrespect to the international football fans.
@@LindaMitchell ohhh
Same.. Never watched him play.. But I know who he is.
Vice versa people who never are into kpop probably doesn't know who bp is.
Everyone does bundling since there is a decline in the demand on physical albums, artist tend to sell out merch and concert tours which makes the album looks like a give away. And when you want to have a top spot , you’ll pull all the tricks because it all boils down to business. So for that Superm being under an American company Capitol Records, gives them an advantage because they know how to play the game. Bundling plus the multi version CD which most Kpop groups does is quite effective. The only question here is if it can be done like that then anybody could top the chart. They find a way to fool proof the system. Everyone plays but there is only one winner. The only thing clear here is that you can buy your way to the top. I’m not mad at the members of superm, I am more mad at their company. These guys are talented but in order to boost the name, the company had to pull a trick and forever will be tainted as the 60 bundle guys. Again it is not the guy’s fault, most artists from big companies like SM don’t even have the guts to say no or speak their mind which proves again another point of Kpop idols being a manufactured products and not seen as artists.
It only mean 1 thing , BTS is so legit🥰
Why can't people just leave T.O.P. alone??!?!?!?! Just let the poor man live.
No kidding, he has already attempted suicide once. They push idols to the edge and then act surprised when they take their lives 😢
Agreed 👏
I feel so bad for the girl , jungkook’s tattoo artist , she is going through so much right now for absolutely no reason :((( and lol what does bighit mean by ‘it happened when he was on a holiday so we aren’t responsible’ ofc you are !! he is signed to your agency !! i hope they weren’t hard on jungkook because of this :( he even cut his hair :((( really hate those delusional fans man , all they do is hate and be delusional :/
Meoww Mowww I also feel bad for both Jungkook and the girl but I don’t think Jungkook is to blame. Whoever leaked the cctv or photos should take responsibility. And if this person also works at the tattoo shop, it is the shop’s responsibility.
Baby JK oh yes ofc im not blaming it on jungkook ! i could never !! he is completely innocent , and yes true but it could’ve been a stalker too , as the pics were taken in a restaurant and the tattoo shop pics were sooooo blurry , but i really don’t think it was the girl , and people are being endlessly cruel towards her :( for her appearance and what not , which is just not right :(
I already forgot about the leaked cctv story. The tatoo shop should have ignored crazy people, blocked them
and stopped feeding them, and of course sue those who cross the line. They fueled things even worse, I guess.
BTS achievements are unrivaled because lots of people love their music and have worked hard to hear this music in their countries. That's called demand and interest. I would really apreciate it if newslets which mention them in association with other kpop groups reminded the readers about this fact as well.
Anyways, SuperM #1 will be remembered as merch-driven #1 and they will be critisized like any other western artist doing the same thing
60+ bundles, “buy now, pay later”, constant tweets asking to buy the album, 8 versions of the album, and 4 fandoms coming together is desperate, but it’s not that deep. However, international sales counting towards Billboard is almost unethical and that’s what actually bugs us. Almost no integrity.
you said it all. *virtual vigorous applause*
Well superms fandom is actually three fandoms, so im not suprised they sold alot of albums but superm just feels so inorganic to me i cant help but be turned off from them bc of that.
They didnt sell alot of albums... they bundle it with iteams...
The physical CDs were top 5 bestselling in many stores
@@Donna_Darko I doubt it
And it was because of the bundles not bc of the music you cant honestly think that jopping was good ...
But am not worried
BTS comeback is soon
"time to be an army now.. " - Danny 😂😂😂
I freakin love this guy
blame sm smh