I'm calling it now--the Doctor crossed over into the Land of Fiction at some point in the last few episodes. Possibly during the Giggle, but maybe when he told a story about salt being a barrier, when he was at the edge of time with Donna (another very strange Time/ Space event)
Definately. All the fourth wall breaks are too deliberate. Is it possible that the “One Who Waits” is the creator of the land of fiction. We’ve had Toymaker who controls games, Maestro and music, so stands to reason why not fiction. It would also explain why we are seeing the Tardis starting to act strangely.
I think you are spot on. Thanks for a good review. Harbinger was lurking in the corner of the dance. Perhaps, I am more comfortable with deep ancient magic, but it seemed to me the dance number was an unwinding. Doctor says "music comes from sorrow and joy liberated by geniuses" maestro thinks music is theirs. And their ultimate music is the green sound of nuclear winter and the dead motion of space. In these episodes the doctor is clever but he is on the back foot. He doesn't know maestro's rules. He claims to "hope" his long life will pass for musical genius. It ultimately doesn't . So the twist while it appears Disney it is mysterious and dark. It seems to me the boy: harbinger is just that. But that is just what it seemed like to me.
All I can say is spot on chimp. My thoughts exactly. These fourth wall breaks and such are so deliberate that I do believe it’s leading to something. This is all playing from the time the 14th spilt salt at the end of the universe. My thought is that it’s leading to a reveal that the Doctor is trapped in a fictional type reality where he is in a “show” type scenario.
The line about non-diegetic audio has sent me on a massive quest ever since. I've been watching video after video about the episode in an attempt to discover what other people thought about it, my main page on UA-cam is now well populated with Doctor Who reviews. I don't really have any theories as such, just ideas about how it could be used as a writing device to get the characters out of some seemingly unbeatable situations. I mean, it's up to the writers now to come up with the most powerful adversaries imaginable because the sky is the limit in terms of how much punishment and trickery the Doctor can weather
I love this review. Rather than hating things in the episode because you didn't understand them, you looked at all the elements and tried to understand what they were trying to do. I agree that it got a bit too confusing at times, and I suppose I'm hoping that all will become clearer as the story progresses. Nevertheless, this episode sent my theorising brain crazy and I've subscribed to your channel. Love your vibe!
Loved it too. Think Ruby has some sort of story of narrative power based on the butterfly just after she said it and all the snow etc. And how dare you! Dan was very talented with a wok.
I have a theory, and that's that perhaps the Doctor himself is a lost part of this pantheon (perhaps the embodiment of curiosity?)that got sucked into this universe where he was adopted. Regeneration seems like quite a godlike ability, and until Tecteun figured it out (very unethically I might add) it didn't exist. It would also explain why the Toymaker looks different to his first appearance (in universe anyway). If this does turn out to be the case, perhaps the pantheon wants the power of regeneration back? Maybe they want the Doctor back? It would explain why they're concentrating on earth (that's bound to get his attention), it doesn't explain what Ruby's deal is I suppose, but there's already a lot of theories on that.
Dude, as I know you really love the cybermen theme, I highly recommend watching the official webcast of Dr. Who "Real time" is a great animated story, notable for its truly creepy presentation of cyber conversion I also recommend reading the story "killing grounds"
11:00 To be fair, Martha was a doctor and Clara was an English teacher. Apart from that, recent assistants (glad you called them that!) are a pretty ordinary bunch.
oh i think youre wonderful. the shake in ur voice when emphasising how much you connect with music makes me trust you so much and also bonds us forever. love love how you described it. definitely wouldnt say no to an extra maestro review!!! so grateful for ur personal take i think ur really cool man 💞💞💞
I'm so pleased that Doctor Who has returned to the whirlwind of absurd hyperreality found in the first RTD era. Did Maestro's look remind anyone else of the Red Queen from Alice In Wonderland? Or maybe Queenie from BlackAdder II? And yes Chimp, that growling thing they do with their voice was unsettling - seductive and velvety then suddenly animalistic and barbed. Like how a suspiciously attentive feline would sound to a timid rodent just before dinner time. I'm not sure how effective the character would be if they ever returned, but Maestro was excellent on this outing. And yes, I agree, that dance routine at the end wasn't just light entertainment cheese.
I really liked this episode. My one critiscism is why are there still people making music? And how will the beatles make money from it if nobody likes music? And also the lyrics were bad but the actual song was pretty good!
Yeah haha. I think it would have been better if they instead said that maestro had been killing musically gifted people and so music that shows too much creativity and talent and expression has now become taboo in culture since the most renowned musicians have been dying and so there is music but for the sake of the culture it's really dull and bad... Then at the end everyone in the studio sees maestro and sees the Beatles find the lost chord and then at the end they all celebrate realising they can all truly express their musical talent now and the Beatles decide now to go on to be revolutionary and truly expressive and creative in their music.
@@worldgame7754ok a plot that didn’t go anywhere the Beatles having vertically no screen time and are treated as a convenience to the plot dialogue that made no sense the pantomime villain a complete joke with acting that just wanted to make you cringe and that sums up this episode really cringe
I'm calling it now--the Doctor crossed over into the Land of Fiction at some point in the last few episodes. Possibly during the Giggle, but maybe when he told a story about salt being a barrier, when he was at the edge of time with Donna (another very strange Time/ Space event)
Definately. All the fourth wall breaks are too deliberate. Is it possible that the “One Who Waits” is the creator of the land of fiction. We’ve had Toymaker who controls games, Maestro and music, so stands to reason why not fiction. It would also explain why we are seeing the Tardis starting to act strangely.
I think you are spot on. Thanks for a good review. Harbinger was lurking in the corner of the dance. Perhaps, I am more comfortable with deep ancient magic, but it seemed to me the dance number was an unwinding. Doctor says "music comes from sorrow and joy liberated by geniuses" maestro thinks music is theirs. And their ultimate music is the green sound of nuclear winter and the dead motion of space. In these episodes the doctor is clever but he is on the back foot. He doesn't know maestro's rules. He claims to "hope" his long life will pass for musical genius. It ultimately doesn't . So the twist while it appears Disney it is mysterious and dark. It seems to me the boy: harbinger is just that. But that is just what it seemed like to me.
All I can say is spot on chimp. My thoughts exactly.
These fourth wall breaks and such are so deliberate that I do believe it’s leading to something. This is all playing from the time the 14th spilt salt at the end of the universe. My thought is that it’s leading to a reveal that the Doctor is trapped in a fictional type reality where he is in a “show” type scenario.
The line about non-diegetic audio has sent me on a massive quest ever since. I've been watching video after video about the episode in an attempt to discover what other people thought about it, my main page on UA-cam is now well populated with Doctor Who reviews. I don't really have any theories as such, just ideas about how it could be used as a writing device to get the characters out of some seemingly unbeatable situations. I mean, it's up to the writers now to come up with the most powerful adversaries imaginable because the sky is the limit in terms of how much punishment and trickery the Doctor can weather
I love this review. Rather than hating things in the episode because you didn't understand them, you looked at all the elements and tried to understand what they were trying to do. I agree that it got a bit too confusing at times, and I suppose I'm hoping that all will become clearer as the story progresses.
Nevertheless, this episode sent my theorising brain crazy and I've subscribed to your channel. Love your vibe!
Thank you!! Welcome to the channel.🙂🙂
I'm fairly sure There's Always a Twist at the End contains 'The Giggle'.
Also, do you know Tharries' fan theory?
I saw a thumbnail and gathered the gist. Interesting stuff.👍👍
Didnt notice that until I saw your comment
Loved it too. Think Ruby has some sort of story of narrative power based on the butterfly just after she said it and all the snow etc.
And how dare you! Dan was very talented with a wok.
Just finished your Space Babies review - can't believe I caught this vid uploaded so soon after! Looking forward to hearing your thoughts
I wonder if Russell made them related due to the Celestial Toymaker also having a sister in one of the "Lost Stories".
I have a theory, and that's that perhaps the Doctor himself is a lost part of this pantheon (perhaps the embodiment of curiosity?)that got sucked into this universe where he was adopted. Regeneration seems like quite a godlike ability, and until Tecteun figured it out (very unethically I might add) it didn't exist. It would also explain why the Toymaker looks different to his first appearance (in universe anyway). If this does turn out to be the case, perhaps the pantheon wants the power of regeneration back? Maybe they want the Doctor back? It would explain why they're concentrating on earth (that's bound to get his attention), it doesn't explain what Ruby's deal is I suppose, but there's already a lot of theories on that.
Dude, as I know you really love the cybermen theme, I highly recommend watching the official webcast of Dr. Who "Real time" is a great animated story, notable for its truly creepy presentation of cyber conversion
I also recommend reading the story "killing grounds"
11:00 To be fair, Martha was a doctor and Clara was an English teacher. Apart from that, recent assistants (glad you called them that!) are a pretty ordinary bunch.
I did quite like the broken songs, they appealed to my specific flavour of weirdness
Ncuti Gatwa and Mollie Gibson are nice, but the new series isn't a patch on the ole Tom Baker era.
oh i think youre wonderful. the shake in ur voice when emphasising how much you connect with music makes me trust you so much and also bonds us forever. love love how you described it. definitely wouldnt say no to an extra maestro review!!! so grateful for ur personal take i think ur really cool man 💞💞💞
I'm so pleased that Doctor Who has returned to the whirlwind of absurd hyperreality found in the first RTD era.
Did Maestro's look remind anyone else of the Red Queen from Alice In Wonderland? Or maybe Queenie from BlackAdder II? And yes Chimp, that growling thing they do with their voice was unsettling - seductive and velvety then suddenly animalistic and barbed. Like how a suspiciously attentive feline would sound to a timid rodent just before dinner time. I'm not sure how effective the character would be if they ever returned, but Maestro was excellent on this outing.
And yes, I agree, that dance routine at the end wasn't just light entertainment cheese.
Great review
I really liked this episode.
My one critiscism is why are there still people making music? And how will the beatles make money from it if nobody likes music? And also the lyrics were bad but the actual song was pretty good!
Yeah haha. I think it would have been better if they instead said that maestro had been killing musically gifted people and so music that shows too much creativity and talent and expression has now become taboo in culture since the most renowned musicians have been dying and so there is music but for the sake of the culture it's really dull and bad... Then at the end everyone in the studio sees maestro and sees the Beatles find the lost chord and then at the end they all celebrate realising they can all truly express their musical talent now and the Beatles decide now to go on to be revolutionary and truly expressive and creative in their music.
@@kbg12ila that would be much better. Like maestro wants all of the musical genius so is stealing the music from the hearts of good musicians.
I think it was established that the Beatles weren't actually making much money out of music, and that they'd rather have a "proper" job.
@@ftumschk paul said he was just making songs to get money so that he could move to getting a real job
On this one we must disagree.
Don't think I'll be subscribing. Our ideas are too far apart. This is not DW
It was crap and don’t get me started on space babies
So it was “Crap” without any explanation. Great comment.
@@worldgame7754ok a plot that didn’t go anywhere the Beatles having vertically no screen time and are treated as a convenience to the plot dialogue that made no sense the pantomime villain a complete joke with acting that just wanted to make you cringe and that sums up this episode really cringe
Best episode in a long, long time.