Thank you for your video. I’m an above knee amputee on my left side and am looking to purchase a tractor. Very helpful Once again Thank for your time to make this video
Thanks for the demo. I'm fixing to pull the trigger on a 2013 M6040 as soon as the salesman calls back saying it's here. Never having used anything more advanced than an 8/2 tractor tranny I needed educated on how to work it when I go have a look. Same engine/ trans as the M6060 with a bit less smog control on it. I'm an above knee amputee on my clutch leg for the past 20 years and if I didn't find something that would allow me to clutch less when plucking and loading hay rolls I wasn't gonna be doing this much longer. A drive like this will be a Godsend.
I hope it works out well for you! It may take some getting use too but I’m sure you’ll be able to handle it like a pro before long. Thanks for watching
I'm interested to hear if you got the 6040 and if you like loading hay with it. I grew up around normal old transmissions but for the past 20 years have used HST on an L48. I need a touch bigger tractor and am unsure if I will be happy with shuttle shift for all the stop and go, especially for stuff like loading hay. Thanks!
Great videos as usual, I'm not familiar with larger tractors as all i have is a JD 1025R but i really enjoy your videos and this one was very interesting. Thank You !.
Great video I have a Kubota M5040 HYD shuttle shift I love it , don't like hydrostatic tractors . I used to run big loaders and they we're HYD shuttle shift. When you are bush hogging it's sweet backing to get the corners. Like you I pause shifting forward to reverse . When I park mine I set my booby traps , with 7 things so it wont crack are move all from the seat You probably do the same thing to slow folks down are keep them from taking it if they don't know what they are doing. Not going to tell the secret Thanks for showing folks about this transmission . Hope you are having a good week end.
I had a surgery, and used my clutch on my M7060, and got tendonitis and could not walk on my leg. I still had to work, and I finally figured that I could change gears while in neutral. I don't have to use the clutch. But travel shifting is a bit complicated. I can shift on the shuttle, which I didn't know could be done, and not a noticeable difference, other than you slow down a but faster.
I had a knee surgery and my l2850 went 8 months without being started and started faster than yours did in this video. I couldn’t believe it. The thing starts up faster than anything I own.
My five series John Deere has the park in the transmission and I wish it had the brake locks as well. I had it to jump out of park twice, we was very lucky no one was behind the tractor. Another good video Ben.
You done a really good job at explaining the tractor hydraulic shuttle, i have the same tractor as you know, and the only two things I dislike or would change if I could are in this order...Parking Brake/Lever these same tractors are sold in England and have an actual E brake on them....I have tried to get the parts list and possibly install one but have had no luck.....and the 2nd thing I might?? do different is a cab.....but the parking brake lever is the only actual dislike I have with mine and it all just comes down to safety sometimes my dad or uncle will operate it and i have to remind them they cannot just turn it off and get off because it will roll........ without hydraulic flowing to the transmission.....if Kubota, would just let us get the parts they put on the England bound models and I would consider the upgrade...It would be a lot cheaper than the 12 speed upgrade now days......
I don’t understand why they don’t use the parking brake handle setup. The M4’s have that on them which is basically the same tractor drivetrain. I’d trust that more then this lock they have now. Thanks for watching
Thanks for the info Ben.I was always wondering how the shuttle shift and HST worked.I think I would rather have a tractor with a clutch.I guess I am old school.Have a blessed day and be SAFE.🚜👍👏❤️🙏
Hey Ben. Very informative video. I like learning new things even if I don't own a Kubota. This whole video shifted me in the right direction. Thanks for sharing.
Ben, I really appreciate that video. I was one of the ones asking about how they work. I had no idea how those work. Like you I have to start up on some steep hills and having the ability to not grind going from low to high while moving is an awesome feature. I currently have a M4700 with 4x4x4 trans and a L4701 hydro. It was the first of many hydros that was really quite and it has the cruise lever. If you are doing nothing but back and forth loader work I really wonder which trans would hold up over time. Agreed your trans would be good for me but having almost been run over by a 801 that popped out of gear on a hill that park feature on the 12 speed would be really nice. I would add Kubota in the title and I would really be surprised if this video does not blow up your channel subscriptions. Thanks again!
"...blow up subscriptions" LOL. Ben hasn't resorted to shocking click bait titles...yet. Maybe, "Black Cats Prefer Kubota Hydraulic Shuttles when Loading Hay for Horse Ladies!!" ? Not the best, but it covers cats, horse hay ladies and Kubotas.
Thanks Ben! I also requested this and it was very helpful! Initially, I was thinking I had to adjust the throttle, as you would in a car or truck, to not stall the machine. Looks like there's plenty of torque to not worry about that.
If you drive a car or pickup properly you don't need throttle to take off either, nobody drives them that way though which is why you see burned up clutches at 50k or less, that and people riding the clutch, resting their foot on the clutch pedal, using the clutch to hold them on a hill, downshifting, etc...all that stuff contrary to it seeming to be cool wears out the clutch pretty quickly. You can start a car from a stop even on a hill without applying throttle, the trick is using the parking brake to hold you on the hill while you release the clutch and the parking brake simultaneously.
Ben, great job covering the subject. I have never used a hydro/shuttle type transmission but, after your video, that looks like one sweet design. I too would not like the lack of a parking break. I’m surprised in this day and age the the attorneys that type of design. 😎 As always, thanks for bringing us along.
It has a parking brake, he shows it at the 12:56 mark. My BX2680 is the same thing, you have to apply the parking brake yourself, just like most cars out there, maybe the new ones and all the electronic crap has an auto-parking brake, but the M6060 in this video does in fact have a parking brake, although he's using it wrong in this video, both brake pedals need to be locked together, otherwise all you are doing is applying the brake on the left wheel, which on a hill might not be enough. Just remember a tractor only has brakes in the rear.
@@khtractors Yes, sorry - I meant it would be nice to have a backup to the parking break, like on a manual transmission one can leave it in 1st gear. Box blade works well when it's on or bucket when it's full. Shouldn't have to trade safety for convenience.
@@khtractors I was use to older John Deere tractors from 70’s always work great we never had any problems I’m sure it was real parking gear but it worked
@@khtractors no problem I want to tell you a little secret you help people when they’re down and out that is awesome and I don’t even know you but I could tell you you seem very caring and that’s great and that’s why I watch your videos all the time have a great night 👍
How do you operate your engine speed when you are going F/R often like for loader work? Do you set your rpms high using the hand throttle and then use the shuttle like normal (to give your loader good cycling speeds) or do you use the foot throttle and idle it down before you change directions? Ive tried both ways and not sure which way I prefer. I do feel like if I use the foot throttle, I dont run the tractor hard enough and it wants to regen more. Same question but for doing something like brush hogging a tight area? Do you run the hand throttle up to get pto rpms where you want and then use the shuttle or do you use the foot and let off throttle when changing directions? I feel like the cutter likes the constant high rpms but hard to tell if the tractor likes taking off at 2000+ rpms. I do hesitate in neutral and apply the brake before engaging the opposite direction.
Thanks for sharing Ben. Vary informative. My hydro won't roll on a grade with engine is off. As long as transmission is a range. Only way to roll tractor is to take out of a range position.
Yeah this seems kind of odd to me with his tractor. The hydraulics for the clutch must be tied into the hydraulics for the rest of the tractor, so when the engine is shut off there's no hydraulic pressure and thus no hydraulic pressure to the clutch leaving the tractor to freewheel as it would essentially be in neutral at that point due to the clutch not being engaged. Seems like a safety issue to me and Kubota should do something to correct that design flaw. Many people that drive manual transmission vehicles don't use the parking brake, so their first thought on a tractor like this is, 1st gear or reverse and walk away...and in fact that won't work with this tractor.
I’m stuck between this tractor and the mx6000. I know the gear drive will serve me better for harrowing and planting my garden and food plots but I also do a lot of tree work with the grapple. The shuttle shift seems almost as fast as hst.
I’m not sure of the price difference but the M series will seriously out perform MX. The M also has a power pin selection on the loader that increases the lift strength considerably. Shuttle is easy to use plus you get more power to the ground.
@@khtractors is the m series capable of pulling a corn planter and cultivator as far as wheel spacing goes? That’s another big deal breaker for me because I plant sunflowers and corn every year for a dove field. Being able to cultivate would be a huge plus
As always Ben great video!!! That's crazy why it won't hold in gear I wouldn't like that either. Have a 1626 Mahindra with manual shuttle have to use clutch. mine will hold in gear when shut off engine. I've gotten used to mine works great. That was interesting to know. Thanks for sharing be safe have fun enjoy ya'lls homestead
I think this is an example of the hydraulic shuttle, being, the tractor is shut off, there's no more hydraulic pump running to keep the clutch engaged, so essentially the tractor is just in freewheel as soon as you shut if off as the clutch loses its hydraulic pressure and becomes disengaged.
Good explanation. If anyone is interested Vahrenberg Implement has a UA-cam channel with many good videos on tractor features and optional transmissions and shift patterns. I have a Dyna4 on my MF 5455 and I've seen where Massey is offering the 4700 series like your neighbors tractor with a Dyna2. The thing I like about mine is that I can shift through all 16 without the clutch. And I am addicted to having 4 speeds available on the go through either the shuttle leaver or the T-bar. I have the sensitivity switch, but it is almost always set all the way in the least "jerky" position, especially when my green help is in the seat. In the video it does look convincing that the Kubota is in the "sweet spot" and switches directions smoothly. Not always pleased with having only an emergency brake and no parking gear, but then it doesn't hang up under pressure like the quad-range can in my 4230 Deere. But, like you, I prefer having a hydraulic shuttle/manual over a hydro because in my (ignorant) opinion it is less stressful to put it in forward or reverse with a flick of the wrist than having to use your foot and maintain pressure. I have read that the Hydros with a pedal for each direction are more intuitive to operate than the "rocker" style where you tip a single pedal forward or back. I test drove a 5610 MF that had a feature where the clutch is like the brake pedal on an automatic tranny in a car. That would be super nice for round baling and picking up bales. Maybe just me but I almost 100% use the foot clutch for those 2 jobs, even on our flat Iowa terrain; just not confident enough to rely on my reflexes and the de-clutch on the shuttle leaver. As a foot note, I have read that creeper gears can be intended only for extreme low speed PTO work etc. and are not to be used to pull at the draw-bar under load. The gears are small and will strip. No personal experience, but something a buyer should cover with the manufacturer or sales rep before use.
Excellent information in this comment! You seem very knowledgeable of the various options. My BX is the only hydro transmission I’ve ran much but it’s just not for me. You have to run high rpm’s on everything you do. Thanks for watching
Have you got a video on how the draft lever works on m6060? I run it in the up/back position all the time and dont know if thats even right. Mainly just bushhog with the tractor.
I leave my draft lever in the down position when using the regular positioning control. I honestly have only tried draft on the Kubota one time. I almost always plow with a Massey Ferguson because their draft is spot on.
You drive it like any manual transmission. Generally I start down a hill in a gear that I won’t needs brakes. But you can slow some with brakes and of course clutch if your stopping. Thanks for watching
Great Video, but I noticed you weren't using the clutch while shifting gears at around 11 minutes in. Aren't you supposed to? (not forward to reverse, but when shifting through 1 to 4)
I’d have to watch and see but I think that maybe where I was using the shuttle lever to declutch the transmission and shift. Not a common practice but it works.
I have a question. On this tractor, can you start from a standstill in any gear (even 4 High) or do you have to progress through the gears (I. e 1st, then 2nd, then 3rd, etc) as you would on a manual transmission in a car?
Hey Ben, I am one of the very few people who opted for the gear driven version of the L2501. I must admit, it would be so sweet to have a hydraulic shuttle and synchronized gears on my machine, but something tells me the cost would have increased😃
I think you made a good choice going with the gear drive. You can achieve much greater pulls at low rpm’s then a hydrostatic transmissions can. Just wish the 2501 had a two stage clutch for the pto. Thanks for watching
@@khtractors does the pto on the L2501 push the tractor forward when the clutch is pushed in while running a brush hog for instance. I'm seriously looking at the 2501 but not liking it doesn't have a "live" PTO.
@@baucom93 that’s the biggest draw back to that tractor. I just don’t like the pto stopping and starting each time you shift gears to change direction. A dual stage clutch or independent pto is much better. As for pushing the tractor like with the old Ford 8N’s I’m not sure since I haven’t ran one.
What do you mean by starting it from the ground?? I think I figured it out, after re watching you say it several times I realized you were meaning starting the tractor while your not on it??? I don’t think this is possible on mine, I think I have to push my clutch in, if not I guess I could.
I have a 88 L2850DT and it’s the regular manual version with a dual clutch. Mine is a 4 gear with high/low range and a mechanical shuttle, partially synchronized = synchronized shifting between 3rd and 4th in both ranges. What exactly does this mean? Does it mean that going from 3 to 4 I don’t have to stop?? Or does it mean I can just shift it from 3 to 4 without the clutch?? I assume it means I can shift from 3rd to 4th while moving but I do still have to use the clutch?? Right?? This thing is still clean and well kept, it’s a beast and completely outperforms a Kioti 40hp tractor I assume due to the Kioti being hydrostatic. Mines only 34 hp and runs the 7ft bush hog without breaking a sweat only having to hog twice a year. While the kioti has to do it every 3 weeks or so because it struggles if the field gets to high. It really makes me love my kubota.
The transmission has synchronizers in those gears so it shifts smoothly like a manual car would. Yes you need to clutch when shifting. I shift any tractor synchronized or not while moving it just takes learning them.
Thanks for your videos ...I have an M6060 about 6 months old ... You ever have an issue with the 3 point being very slow to lower (have a 7 foot bush hog on it) I have adjusted the lower speed knob every which way but it still goes slow until half way down the it goes fast. Was perfect and I had it adjusted good for the bush hog and it just started doing that ... I checked the knob linkage is all connected and working so not sure what else to check. Thanks
No I haven’t had that issue with the 3 point. I’d get that checked before your warranty runs out, sounds like something to do with the valve possibly. Thanks for watching!
Have a kubota 9540 with the same shuttle shift as yours, it suddenly started moving slow in the forward position, but works fine in reverse, any thought of what it could be?
I’m not old enough to drive a car so I have not drove a manual transmission I’m 11 years old but I have 3 tractors 1 of them is my uncles so he has a kubota L3240 2wd it has a clutch I also have a 1953 John deer 40 has a clutch and I have a John 3025e four wheeler with a loader but it doesn’t have a clutch
That definitely is weird that even in gear you have no transmission holding power when the tractor is shut off...I guess that would be where the hydraulic stuff comes in, I can't believe the clutch is disengaged when the tractor is shut off, I think that should be a separate hydraulic system.
My uncle had a 350c Deere dozer, exact same way. It had a gear drive transmission but a power reverser. It would roll off when the engine wasn’t running unless you set the brake or shoved the blade in. Thanks for watching!
Check all your safety switches, pto switch, battery, test for power on the igniter wire on the starter when holding the key to start. You could also make sure it’s in neutral and bridge the starter to make sure your starter and battery is all good.
Very good video on the difference between types of shifting. And demonstrating how your tractor shifting works.
Thanks 👍
Thank you so much for covering this. Your explanation makes me feel comfortable now hoping in the drivers seat of a Kubota M125X
Good luck! Thanks for watching!
Great demo, thanks for spending the time mate 🙌🏽
Thank you for watching
Thank you for your video.
I’m an above knee amputee on my left side and am looking to purchase a tractor.
Very helpful
Once again
Thank for your time to make this video
Best of luck to you on your search fir a tractor! Appreciate you watching this!
Thanks for the demo. I'm fixing to pull the trigger on a 2013 M6040 as soon as the salesman calls back saying it's here. Never having used anything more advanced than an 8/2 tractor tranny I needed educated on how to work it when I go have a look. Same engine/ trans as the M6060 with a bit less smog control on it. I'm an above knee amputee on my clutch leg for the past 20 years and if I didn't find something that would allow me to clutch less when plucking and loading hay rolls I wasn't gonna be doing this much longer. A drive like this will be a Godsend.
I hope it works out well for you! It may take some getting use too but I’m sure you’ll be able to handle it like a pro before long. Thanks for watching
I'm interested to hear if you got the 6040 and if you like loading hay with it. I grew up around normal old transmissions but for the past 20 years have used HST on an L48. I need a touch bigger tractor and am unsure if I will be happy with shuttle shift for all the stop and go, especially for stuff like loading hay. Thanks!
Thanks for the demo, great job explaining everything.
Glad it was helpful!
Good evening Sir, you are an OUTSTANDING Technical Teacher 👍👌😇 Great tips Sir and have a safe week Cheers 😇👌👍🍻
Really appreciate you watching Dave! Have a great week!
Great videos as usual, I'm not familiar with larger tractors as all i have is a JD 1025R but i really enjoy your videos and this one was very interesting. Thank You !.
Thanks 👍
Great video I have a Kubota M5040 HYD shuttle shift I love it , don't like hydrostatic tractors . I used to run big loaders and they we're HYD shuttle shift. When you are bush hogging it's sweet backing to get the corners. Like you I pause shifting forward to reverse . When I park mine I set my booby traps , with 7 things so it wont crack are move all from the seat You probably do the same thing to slow folks down are keep them from taking it if they don't know what they are doing. Not going to tell the secret Thanks for showing folks about this transmission . Hope you are having a good week end.
They are a nice transmission option for sure! Thanks for watching
Great video. Thanks for sharing it.
God bless you!
Thanks for watching!
Tractors has come a long ways haven't they. I like how your tractor is sit up. Thanks for showing this video
They get a lot fancier then mine these days! But I like this setup pretty good! Thanks for watching!
@@khtractors I like the way yours is sit up too. You're welcome
I had a surgery, and used my clutch on my M7060, and got tendonitis and could not walk on my leg. I still had to work, and I finally figured that I could change gears while in neutral. I don't have to use the clutch. But travel shifting is a bit complicated. I can shift on the shuttle, which I didn't know could be done, and not a noticeable difference, other than you slow down a but faster.
Yeah that hydraulic shuttle is a handy feature to have for many reasons. Thanks for watching
I had a knee surgery and my l2850 went 8 months without being started and started faster than yours did in this video. I couldn’t believe it. The thing starts up faster than anything I own.
That’s great!
My five series John Deere has the park in the transmission and I wish it had the brake locks as well. I had it to jump out of park twice, we was very lucky no one was behind the tractor. Another good video Ben.
Yes even with the park feature I’d still want a locking brake as well. Anyone needs a double safety system of some kind. Thanks for watching!
Great video. Easy to understand. Thanks for making
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great job!
Thanks for the video
Appreciate you watching! Take care.
You done a really good job at explaining the tractor hydraulic shuttle, i have the same tractor as you know, and the only two things I dislike or would change if I could are in this order...Parking Brake/Lever these same tractors are sold in England and have an actual E brake on them....I have tried to get the parts list and possibly install one but have had no luck.....and the 2nd thing I might?? do different is a cab.....but the parking brake lever is the only actual dislike I have with mine and it all just comes down to safety sometimes my dad or uncle will operate it and i have to remind them they cannot just turn it off and get off because it will roll........ without hydraulic flowing to the transmission.....if Kubota, would just let us get the parts they put on the England bound models and I would consider the upgrade...It would be a lot cheaper than the 12 speed upgrade now days......
I don’t understand why they don’t use the parking brake handle setup. The M4’s have that on them which is basically the same tractor drivetrain. I’d trust that more then this lock they have now. Thanks for watching
Thanks for the info Ben.I was always wondering how the shuttle shift and HST worked.I think I would rather have a tractor with a clutch.I guess I am old school.Have a blessed day and be SAFE.🚜👍👏❤️🙏
Yes I much prefer a clutch or gear drive tractor. With the hydro shuttle you have best of both worlds. Thanks for watching
Hey Ben. Very informative video. I like learning new things even if I don't own a Kubota. This whole video shifted me in the right direction. Thanks for sharing.
That’s me, I enjoy learning about other equipment because I might own or operate one at some point. Thanks for watching!
Ben, I really appreciate that video. I was one of the ones asking about how they work. I had no idea how those work. Like you I have to start up on some steep hills and having the ability to not grind going from low to high while moving is an awesome feature. I currently have a M4700 with 4x4x4 trans and a L4701 hydro. It was the first of many hydros that was really quite and it has the cruise lever. If you are doing nothing but back and forth loader work I really wonder which trans would hold up over time. Agreed your trans would be good for me but having almost been run over by a 801 that popped out of gear on a hill that park feature on the 12 speed would be really nice. I would add Kubota in the title and I would really be surprised if this video does not blow up your channel subscriptions. Thanks again!
"...blow up subscriptions" LOL. Ben hasn't resorted to shocking click bait titles...yet.
Maybe, "Black Cats Prefer Kubota Hydraulic Shuttles when Loading Hay for Horse Ladies!!" ?
Not the best, but it covers cats, horse hay ladies and Kubotas.
I like everything about this drivetrain except that free wheel issue. Thanks for watching!
I’m not much for clickbait titles, although it seems to work. Thanks for watching
Enjoyed the video, just subscribed as well.
Great! Thank you
I learned a lot from that video.
Great! Really appreciate you watching!
Thank you so much
Thank you for watching!
Good job Ben I love mine o an I have hills n ohio
Appreciate you watching
Thanks Ben! I also requested this and it was very helpful!
Initially, I was thinking I had to adjust the throttle, as you would in a car or truck, to not stall the machine. Looks like there's plenty of torque to not worry about that.
If you drive a car or pickup properly you don't need throttle to take off either, nobody drives them that way though which is why you see burned up clutches at 50k or less, that and people riding the clutch, resting their foot on the clutch pedal, using the clutch to hold them on a hill, downshifting, etc...all that stuff contrary to it seeming to be cool wears out the clutch pretty quickly. You can start a car from a stop even on a hill without applying throttle, the trick is using the parking brake to hold you on the hill while you release the clutch and the parking brake simultaneously.
Yes I just pull out in first high and shift to 4th high when going on the highway just like in a vehicle. No need to rev it up. Thanks for watching!
Ben, great job covering the subject. I have never used a hydro/shuttle type transmission but, after your video, that looks like one sweet design. I too would not like the lack of a parking break. I’m surprised in this day and age the the attorneys that type of design. 😎 As always, thanks for bringing us along.
It has a parking brake, he shows it at the 12:56 mark. My BX2680 is the same thing, you have to apply the parking brake yourself, just like most cars out there, maybe the new ones and all the electronic crap has an auto-parking brake, but the M6060 in this video does in fact have a parking brake, although he's using it wrong in this video, both brake pedals need to be locked together, otherwise all you are doing is applying the brake on the left wheel, which on a hill might not be enough. Just remember a tractor only has brakes in the rear.
It has a park brake but I don’t trust that without a backup holding feature on hills. Thanks for watching
@@khtractors Yes, sorry - I meant it would be nice to have a backup to the parking break, like on a manual transmission one can leave it in 1st gear. Box blade works well when it's on or bucket when it's full. Shouldn't have to trade safety for convenience.
This has been so helpful! Thank you.
Great! I’m glad it did! Thanks for watching
Excellent video
Thank you very much!
Nice video Ben!!!!!! I wish they had park in them too and it be the perfect tractor I believe!
Yeah that park feature would help as long as it didn’t get stuck under pressure. Thanks for watching.
@@khtractors I was use to older John Deere tractors from 70’s always work great we never had any problems I’m sure it was real parking gear but it worked
Nice demonstration and how to use a tractor 👍
Thank you! It’s hard to give a good demo on video.
@@khtractors Well I thought you did good I understood it great video keep them coming 👍
@@deanmoore420 really appreciate that!
@@khtractors no problem I want to tell you a little secret you help people when they’re down and out that is awesome and I don’t even know you but I could tell you you seem very caring and that’s great and that’s why I watch your videos all the time have a great night 👍
@@khtractors no problem👍
How do you operate your engine speed when you are going F/R often like for loader work? Do you set your rpms high using the hand throttle and then use the shuttle like normal (to give your loader good cycling speeds) or do you use the foot throttle and idle it down before you change directions? Ive tried both ways and not sure which way I prefer. I do feel like if I use the foot throttle, I dont run the tractor hard enough and it wants to regen more.
Same question but for doing something like brush hogging a tight area? Do you run the hand throttle up to get pto rpms where you want and then use the shuttle or do you use the foot and let off throttle when changing directions? I feel like the cutter likes the constant high rpms but hard to tell if the tractor likes taking off at 2000+ rpms. I do hesitate in neutral and apply the brake before engaging the opposite direction.
With PTO operations always set the rpm with the hand throttle. For loader work I do both. It all depends on the situation I’m in. That for watching!
Thanks for sharing Ben. Vary informative. My hydro won't roll on a grade with engine is off. As long as transmission is a range. Only way to roll tractor is to take out of a range position.
Yeah this seems kind of odd to me with his tractor. The hydraulics for the clutch must be tied into the hydraulics for the rest of the tractor, so when the engine is shut off there's no hydraulic pressure and thus no hydraulic pressure to the clutch leaving the tractor to freewheel as it would essentially be in neutral at that point due to the clutch not being engaged.
Seems like a safety issue to me and Kubota should do something to correct that design flaw. Many people that drive manual transmission vehicles don't use the parking brake, so their first thought on a tractor like this is, 1st gear or reverse and walk away...and in fact that won't work with this tractor.
My uncle had a 350c Deere dozer, gear drive but with a reverser. It did the same thing when shut off. Thanks for watching
Nice one brother! It helped me a lot.
Great! Thanks for watching
I’m stuck between this tractor and the mx6000. I know the gear drive will serve me better for harrowing and planting my garden and food plots but I also do a lot of tree work with the grapple. The shuttle shift seems almost as fast as hst.
I’m not sure of the price difference but the M series will seriously out perform MX. The M also has a power pin selection on the loader that increases the lift strength considerably. Shuttle is easy to use plus you get more power to the ground.
@@khtractors is the m series capable of pulling a corn planter and cultivator as far as wheel spacing goes? That’s another big deal breaker for me because I plant sunflowers and corn every year for a dove field. Being able to cultivate would be a huge plus
@@talorspridedude I’m not sure what spacing you need but it’s adjustable. Mine is set to the widest position now.
As always Ben great video!!! That's crazy why it won't hold in gear I wouldn't like that either. Have a 1626 Mahindra with manual shuttle have to use clutch. mine will hold in gear when shut off engine. I've gotten used to mine works great. That was interesting to know. Thanks for sharing be safe have fun enjoy ya'lls homestead
I think this is an example of the hydraulic shuttle, being, the tractor is shut off, there's no more hydraulic pump running to keep the clutch engaged, so essentially the tractor is just in freewheel as soon as you shut if off as the clutch loses its hydraulic pressure and becomes disengaged.
Yes a manual shuttle holds on gear. I’d like to know more in detail on how this hydraulic shuttle works. Appreciate you watching!
Good explanation. If anyone is interested Vahrenberg Implement has a UA-cam channel with many good videos on tractor features and optional transmissions and shift patterns.
I have a Dyna4 on my MF 5455 and I've seen where Massey is offering the 4700 series like your neighbors tractor with a Dyna2. The thing I like about mine is that I can shift through all 16 without the clutch. And I am addicted to having 4 speeds available on the go through either the shuttle leaver or the T-bar.
I have the sensitivity switch, but it is almost always set all the way in the least "jerky" position, especially when my green help is in the seat. In the video it does look convincing that the Kubota is in the "sweet spot" and switches directions smoothly.
Not always pleased with having only an emergency brake and no parking gear, but then it doesn't hang up under pressure like the quad-range can in my 4230 Deere.
But, like you, I prefer having a hydraulic shuttle/manual over a hydro because in my (ignorant) opinion it is less stressful to put it in forward or reverse with a flick of the wrist than having to use your foot and maintain pressure. I have read that the Hydros with a pedal for each direction are more intuitive to operate than the "rocker" style where you tip a single pedal forward or back.
I test drove a 5610 MF that had a feature where the clutch is like the brake pedal on an automatic tranny in a car. That would be super nice for round baling and picking up bales. Maybe just me but I almost 100% use the foot clutch for those 2 jobs, even on our flat Iowa terrain; just not confident enough to rely on my reflexes and the de-clutch on the shuttle leaver.
As a foot note, I have read that creeper gears can be intended only for extreme low speed PTO work etc. and are not to be used to pull at the draw-bar under load. The gears are small and will strip. No personal experience, but something a buyer should cover with the manufacturer or sales rep before use.
Excellent information in this comment! You seem very knowledgeable of the various options. My BX is the only hydro transmission I’ve ran much but it’s just not for me. You have to run high rpm’s on everything you do. Thanks for watching
Have you got a video on how the draft lever works on m6060? I run it in the up/back position all the time and dont know if thats even right. Mainly just bushhog with the tractor.
I leave my draft lever in the down position when using the regular positioning control. I honestly have only tried draft on the Kubota one time. I almost always plow with a Massey Ferguson because their draft is spot on.
lets say going down a deep driveway to slow down do i use clutch or brake
You drive it like any manual transmission. Generally I start down a hill in a gear that I won’t needs brakes. But you can slow some with brakes and of course clutch if your stopping. Thanks for watching
what if i put it on neutral and push the brakes than reverse go back do i need to push the clutch.
No not with a hydraulic shuttle.
Great Video, but I noticed you weren't using the clutch while shifting gears at around 11 minutes in. Aren't you supposed to? (not forward to reverse, but when shifting through 1 to 4)
I’d have to watch and see but I think that maybe where I was using the shuttle lever to declutch the transmission and shift. Not a common practice but it works.
@@khtractors interesting. So thatisok to do? M7060 on the way. Only used a hydro. Great video. Appreciate it.
@@daviddraeger979 I would recommend using the clutch pedal to shift through the gears. They shift really easy though just like a manual vehicle.
I have a question. On this tractor, can you start from a standstill in any gear (even 4 High) or do you have to progress through the gears (I. e 1st, then 2nd, then 3rd, etc) as you would on a manual transmission in a car?
In high range I usually don’t pull out above 2 high and then shift on up to 3rd and 4th. They shift really smoothly on the move.
Hey Ben, I am one of the very few people who opted for the gear driven version of the L2501. I must admit, it would be so sweet to have a hydraulic shuttle and synchronized gears on my machine, but something tells me the cost would have increased😃
It does increase the costs, not sure how much but its kind of one of those do ya want it, do ya really really want it LOL.
I think you made a good choice going with the gear drive. You can achieve much greater pulls at low rpm’s then a hydrostatic transmissions can. Just wish the 2501 had a two stage clutch for the pto. Thanks for watching
@@khtractors does the pto on the L2501 push the tractor forward when the clutch is pushed in while running a brush hog for instance. I'm seriously looking at the 2501 but not liking it doesn't have a "live" PTO.
@@baucom93 that’s the biggest draw back to that tractor. I just don’t like the pto stopping and starting each time you shift gears to change direction. A dual stage clutch or independent pto is much better. As for pushing the tractor like with the old Ford 8N’s I’m not sure since I haven’t ran one.
What do you mean by starting it from the ground??
I think I figured it out, after re watching you say it several times I realized you were meaning starting the tractor while your not on it???
I don’t think this is possible on mine, I think I have to push my clutch in, if not I guess I could.
I haven’t watched this in along time but I assume I was referring to starting the engine when not on the tractor.
Thank you
Appreciate you watching!
I have a 88 L2850DT and it’s the regular manual version with a dual clutch. Mine is a 4 gear with high/low range and a mechanical shuttle, partially synchronized = synchronized shifting between 3rd and 4th in both ranges.
What exactly does this mean?
Does it mean that going from 3 to 4 I don’t have to stop?? Or does it mean I can just shift it from 3 to 4 without the clutch??
I assume it means I can shift from 3rd to 4th while moving but I do still have to use the clutch?? Right??
This thing is still clean and well kept, it’s a beast and completely outperforms a Kioti 40hp tractor I assume due to the Kioti being hydrostatic. Mines only 34 hp and runs the 7ft bush hog without breaking a sweat only having to hog twice a year. While the kioti has to do it every 3 weeks or so because it struggles if the field gets to high. It really makes me love my kubota.
The transmission has synchronizers in those gears so it shifts smoothly like a manual car would. Yes you need to clutch when shifting. I shift any tractor synchronized or not while moving it just takes learning them.
Thanks for your videos ...I have an M6060 about 6 months old ... You ever have an issue with the 3 point being very slow to lower (have a 7 foot bush hog on it) I have adjusted the lower speed knob every which way but it still goes slow until half way down the it goes fast. Was perfect and I had it adjusted good for the bush hog and it just started doing that ... I checked the knob linkage is all connected and working so not sure what else to check. Thanks
No I haven’t had that issue with the 3 point. I’d get that checked before your warranty runs out, sounds like something to do with the valve possibly. Thanks for watching!
Black kitty sighting!!!
Yeah she was relaxing until I messed that up! Too bad she doesn’t realize she is famous 🤣! Thanks for watching
Have a kubota 9540 with the same shuttle shift as yours, it suddenly started moving slow in the forward position, but works fine in reverse, any thought of what it could be?
No I haven’t experienced that issue.
Do you need to step on the clutch to change into high or low range?
Yes you do!
I’m not old enough to drive a car so I have not drove a manual transmission I’m 11 years old but I have 3 tractors 1 of them is my uncles so he has a kubota L3240 2wd it has a clutch I also have a 1953 John deer 40 has a clutch and I have a John 3025e four wheeler with a loader but it doesn’t have a clutch
Use every opportunity you get to drive and learn. Starting young pays off. Thanks for watching
@@khtractors anytime
That definitely is weird that even in gear you have no transmission holding power when the tractor is shut off...I guess that would be where the hydraulic stuff comes in, I can't believe the clutch is disengaged when the tractor is shut off, I think that should be a separate hydraulic system.
My uncle had a 350c Deere dozer, exact same way. It had a gear drive transmission but a power reverser. It would roll off when the engine wasn’t running unless you set the brake or shoved the blade in. Thanks for watching!
My Kubuta m6060D no start
Check all your safety switches, pto switch, battery, test for power on the igniter wire on the starter when holding the key to start. You could also make sure it’s in neutral and bridge the starter to make sure your starter and battery is all good.
Do you shift before or after regen? Can you shift during? :P
Some people are just jealous of a fine refined machine 🤣! Thanks for watching Logan!
How many hours are you at on the tractor?
I think just over 1900. Thanks for watching!
Need schematics
hand brake
I wish it had a hand operated parking brake vs the pedal latch.
Good video Ben, the 7040 of ours had a bulletproof shuttle, but the M5-091 shuttle was a joy to run, really Quick and smooth engagement, 🚜🪵👍🏼🇺🇸
Did the M5 have a de-clutch button on the shifter? I think the new M4’s have that. Thanks for watching