A few notes on building an Ian Kirk kit of an LNER 52' teak corridor coach, designed by Gresley specifically for lines of the old Great Eastern Railway.
Morning Richard Hope you are well What a fantastic built and get information too and a few good tips too Thank you for sharing your coach build Keep safe arp
Good morning Richard I have lost count as to the amount of times I have watched this video. It really is rather good , inspirational, atmospheric and timeless. Hopefully, you can find the time to continue producing your fine content. Kind regards John
Hi John, thank you for your very kind comments. As I read them I was in the process of making a couple more Kirk coaches - hopefully to feature in a future video. Best wishes, Richard
Nice job. Having a few old Hornby teaks awaiting a makeover, as well as the newer version in blood and custard and maroon, I wondered how long Gresley teaks lasted in the original wood-and-varnish. One source says 4 years after nationalisation teak outnumbered BR livery 2 to 1. Another reckoned there were still quite a few around in '56 to '58 (including Liverpool Street), and a third said one coach wasn't painted until 1962! So not too points on your modeller's license, running varnished teak well into the British Rail era. In preservation - which isn't necessarily a guide to revenue earning service, but nonetheless - I've seen teak varnish in the red spectrum, through mahogany, to a pale oak colour, depending on the effects of weather and sun. Plenty of room for creativity in a rake. Worth remembering the white roofs were painted black in wartime, and one can assume that lingered on for sometime afterward, too.
Hi - thanks for your reply - that's really useful information. I shall feel free to mix and match my rakes - especially with the crimson and cream livery.
I went to Liverpool St by train regularly 1951- 1958. i do remember seeing teak coaches on the expresses around quite a bit. I think the teak was overpainted in brown in the post war austerity period and this got very dirty.. I am a bit vague on dates as I was a child albeit a train obsessed one. I don't remember seeing a teak suburban in that period. Plenty of quad-arts though.
For my money I would chuck the plastic bogies and use white metal replacements or hornby/ bachmann bogies that are suitable. As for 52' coaches are the old Hornby Gresley or railroad coaches not 52'? I understand the newer ones are 60'.
@@andrewblake2254 The Railroad models measure out at 57', so they are neither one thing nor the other. They were designed to fit the same underframe as the original GWR Collett style coaches that Hornby first made in the mid 70s (when they stopped producing Mk1 coaches in fictitious GWR/LMS/Southern liveries). The underframe is actually a closer representation of the GWR coaches.
@@vinniecross1092 no the 4mm kirk range has been taken over by someone and is broadly speaking available, can't remember who but they are there if you search around. Some stuff that had disappeared made a return as a result of this like thd 2bil if I remember rightly. *H&A models, now branded Ex kirk kits.
What a very interesting and informative video. Thank you Sir . 👍
Morning Richard
Hope you are well
What a fantastic built and get information too and a few good tips too
Thank you for sharing your coach build
Keep safe arp
Good video, thank you.
Good morning Richard
I have lost count as to the amount of times I have watched this video. It really is rather good , inspirational, atmospheric and timeless. Hopefully, you can find the time to continue producing your fine content.
Kind regards John
Hi John, thank you for your very kind comments. As I read them I was in the process of making a couple more Kirk coaches - hopefully to feature in a future video. Best wishes, Richard
I shall enjoy that Richard.
Nice job. Having a few old Hornby teaks awaiting a makeover, as well as the newer version in blood and custard and maroon, I wondered how long Gresley teaks lasted in the original wood-and-varnish. One source says 4 years after nationalisation teak outnumbered BR livery 2 to 1. Another reckoned there were still quite a few around in '56 to '58 (including Liverpool Street), and a third said one coach wasn't painted until 1962! So not too points on your modeller's license, running varnished teak well into the British Rail era.
In preservation - which isn't necessarily a guide to revenue earning service, but nonetheless - I've seen teak varnish in the red spectrum, through mahogany, to a pale oak colour, depending on the effects of weather and sun. Plenty of room for creativity in a rake. Worth remembering the white roofs were painted black in wartime, and one can assume that lingered on for sometime afterward, too.
Hi - thanks for your reply - that's really useful information. I shall feel free to mix and match my rakes - especially with the crimson and cream livery.
I went to Liverpool St by train regularly 1951- 1958. i do remember seeing teak coaches on the expresses around quite a bit. I think the teak was overpainted in brown in the post war austerity period and this got very dirty.. I am a bit vague on dates as I was a child albeit a train obsessed one. I don't remember seeing a teak suburban in that period. Plenty of quad-arts though.
For my money I would chuck the plastic bogies and use white metal replacements or hornby/ bachmann bogies that are suitable.
As for 52' coaches are the old Hornby Gresley or railroad coaches not 52'? I understand the newer ones are 60'.
@@andrewblake2254 Thanks - it's always interesting to hear from those who had first hand experience of train matters.
@@andrewblake2254 The Railroad models measure out at 57', so they are neither one thing nor the other. They were designed to fit the same underframe as the original GWR Collett style coaches that Hornby first made in the mid 70s (when they stopped producing Mk1 coaches in fictitious GWR/LMS/Southern liveries). The underframe is actually a closer representation of the GWR coaches.
They also come in O gauge...
seems like theyre only 0 gauge now on the website
@@vinniecross1092 no the 4mm kirk range has been taken over by someone and is broadly speaking available, can't remember who but they are there if you search around. Some stuff that had disappeared made a return as a result of this like thd 2bil if I remember rightly.
*H&A models, now branded Ex kirk kits.