Thanks for the video! Here's a question for you, since you touched on KDSS: if you were buying a new Toyota 4Runner would you spec it with or without KDSS for the following mission? 1) Vehicle will serve as a daily driver for my wife (transporting our kids around), and as a road trip family vehicle. But, it will also routinely see 4x4 trail use here in Colorado and out in Utah. 2) At the least the vehicle will end up being equipped with a front bumper and winch, and rock sliders. 3) We're intending to improve the suspension over the existing Toyota TRD Off Road Premium stock suspension, but will likely keep ride height to no more than 2" of lift (again, it will also be a daily driver for my wife, and a highway vehicle on road trips). I'm intrigued by the idea of having additional off-road articulation with KDSS, along with having better on-road manners. But, others say that the system is limiting when installing aftermarket suspensions and/or lifts.
Great video, thank you! First video I found with discussion around the difference between leveling options (e.g., with Bilstein 5100 in front and stock rear end) versus lifting with springs. Also I learned from you that the adjustable Bilstein 5100 can’t be used in / adjusted to, say, 3+ inch lift (thank you). Also appreciated the discussion around what heights can be supported by factory upper control arms and how the front coil over spring plays in relation to ride. I’d like to hear your thoughts on adjustable rear control arms (vs factory) - as in, if they make THAT much difference in rear alignment? Thanks for making the time to share!
So the two ways you can lift your 4runner: 1. Spacers lift or 2. Suspension lift: 2a. strut or coilover over providing the lift or 2b. springs will provide you the lift. The 5100 would be the most 2.5", and the 6112 can do 3". We highly suggest anytime you lift your vehicle, upgrade the UCA. a 2" it's not needed, at 2.5" is highly recommended and for 3" or more you have to get one. This is all based on a 5th gen 4runner. Also, all 2.5 series and extended travel require an aftermarket UCA. You don't need a rear adjustable control arm unless you have a long travel or want some more fine-tune adjustment but the rear isn't required as much as the front when it comes to the control arm.
I have a 2006 4runner and bought eibachs kit and it’s more like the 5100s. It’s different than the 2010 and up 4runner, with the v8 doesn’t seem like I’m getting the 3.4” lift it states I should get.
Eibach states their Stage 1 kits provides 2" at most for the V8. If you're running the 2.0 coilover, that's a 1.5-4" coilover based on a V6 but can be adapter to work on the V8.
235k on oem gx470 shocks with the variable dampers. They're not new feeling but work fine. The majority of slop in suspension at high mileage is due to bad bushings and ball joints. Over 2" lift requires so much more than UCAs. Also need LCAs, CVs that can handle the constant angle, larger bumps, track bar relocation, different sway bar links, etc etc and still it will put more unnecessary stress on big budget components like the transmission... all to get 1-1.5" more clearance. It's not surprising that the guys selling shocks would tell you to buy them 2-3× more often than necessary...jiffy lube says your oil lasts 3k miles. These guys also casually forgot to mention that aftermarket performance parts require much more frequent service and that most local shops won't have the expertise to rebuild shocks.
No, sorry you're wrong. You dont need new LCAs or CVs going to 2.5" of lift on the GX or 4Runner platforms. Dont need new sway bar links either, as there are drop brackets. We've seen thousands of vehicles get these kits across a bunch of different brands, and talk with all major manufacturers.
I’m a new 4 Runner owner, mostly drive road and highways. What would you recommend for a firmer ride and 2-3inch lift. Not planning for off road use. Thanks for suggestions.
Any UCA will work and it's all personal preference. There are different material in which the UCA are made, various joint options, and then adjustment features. We do like SPC and Icon and run those are on our own setups.
We have not tested or brought in Dobinson parts but we do have an account with them. So it's hard for us to tell you what would be better currently. We will eventually test them but they are not on our schedule quite yet.
Yup! We have plenty of options from Bilstein, Fox, OME, Icon, King, and others. Give us a holler when you are ready to pull the trigger and we can definitely get you steered in the right direction.
Thank you! We were following mandates in place at the time of this content creation. Note we're reuploading all our content as they were removed from a data attack
Some of our videos were recorded during the pandemic when we were required to wear masks. The videos may seem like newer posts because we lost all our content and had to reupload everything. We are sorry to hear that our wearing a mask to protect each other during the pandemic has steered you away. We do hope you are doing well and staying safe.
We have stated several times on comments on this video. This video is old which at the time, we were required to wear mask by the mandate. We had to reupload everything due to an internal error. we have no plans to reshoot the entire videos just to remove mask.
Thank you for the insight. We have no plans to retake or remove the video. Despite the dislike that we had to wear mask at the time in which we were recording this, the overall info of the video is still quite relevant and helpful.
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Thanks for the video! Here's a question for you, since you touched on KDSS: if you were buying a new Toyota 4Runner would you spec it with or without KDSS for the following mission?
1) Vehicle will serve as a daily driver for my wife (transporting our kids around), and as a road trip family vehicle. But, it will also routinely see 4x4 trail use here in Colorado and out in Utah.
2) At the least the vehicle will end up being equipped with a front bumper and winch, and rock sliders.
3) We're intending to improve the suspension over the existing Toyota TRD Off Road Premium stock suspension, but will likely keep ride height to no more than 2" of lift (again, it will also be a daily driver for my wife, and a highway vehicle on road trips).
I'm intrigued by the idea of having additional off-road articulation with KDSS, along with having better on-road manners. But, others say that the system is limiting when installing aftermarket suspensions and/or lifts.
Perfectly suited. I hope they reply, thanks.
Great video, thank you!
First video I found with discussion around the difference between leveling options (e.g., with Bilstein 5100 in front and stock rear end) versus lifting with springs. Also I learned from you that the adjustable Bilstein 5100 can’t be used in / adjusted to, say, 3+ inch lift (thank you). Also appreciated the discussion around what heights can be supported by factory upper control arms and how the front coil over spring plays in relation to ride.
I’d like to hear your thoughts on adjustable rear control arms (vs factory) - as in, if they make THAT much difference in rear alignment?
Thanks for making the time to share!
So the two ways you can lift your 4runner: 1. Spacers lift or 2. Suspension lift: 2a. strut or coilover over providing the lift or 2b. springs will provide you the lift.
The 5100 would be the most 2.5", and the 6112 can do 3". We highly suggest anytime you lift your vehicle, upgrade the UCA. a 2" it's not needed, at 2.5" is highly recommended and for 3" or more you have to get one. This is all based on a 5th gen 4runner. Also, all 2.5 series and extended travel require an aftermarket UCA.
You don't need a rear adjustable control arm unless you have a long travel or want some more fine-tune adjustment but the rear isn't required as much as the front when it comes to the control arm.
I have a 2006 4runner and bought eibachs kit and it’s more like the 5100s. It’s different than the 2010 and up 4runner, with the v8 doesn’t seem like I’m getting the 3.4” lift it states I should get.
Eibach states their Stage 1 kits provides 2" at most for the V8. If you're running the 2.0 coilover, that's a 1.5-4" coilover based on a V6 but can be adapter to work on the V8.
235k on oem gx470 shocks with the variable dampers. They're not new feeling but work fine. The majority of slop in suspension at high mileage is due to bad bushings and ball joints.
Over 2" lift requires so much more than UCAs. Also need LCAs, CVs that can handle the constant angle, larger bumps, track bar relocation, different sway bar links, etc etc and still it will put more unnecessary stress on big budget components like the transmission... all to get 1-1.5" more clearance.
It's not surprising that the guys selling shocks would tell you to buy them 2-3× more often than necessary...jiffy lube says your oil lasts 3k miles. These guys also casually forgot to mention that aftermarket performance parts require much more frequent service and that most local shops won't have the expertise to rebuild shocks.
No, sorry you're wrong. You dont need new LCAs or CVs going to 2.5" of lift on the GX or 4Runner platforms. Dont need new sway bar links either, as there are drop brackets. We've seen thousands of vehicles get these kits across a bunch of different brands, and talk with all major manufacturers.
I’m a new 4 Runner owner, mostly drive road and highways. What would you recommend for a firmer ride and 2-3inch lift. Not planning for off road use. Thanks for suggestions.
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Make one for the 3rd gen 4runner please!
Pretty applicable here, the suspension design is the same 3rd-5th, just a change in weights. Anything specific we can answer?
Going for a bilstein 5100 3 inch lift kit for my 4runner, is there a certain UCA you recommend?
Any UCA will work and it's all personal preference. There are different material in which the UCA are made, various joint options, and then adjustment features. We do like SPC and Icon and run those are on our own setups.
I don't understand why Toyota made a vehicle that leans to one side? Is that illegal?
Do u guys do install at ur shop?
Thx
Unfortunately, we do not.
Ok, so if you had to pick between icon stae 2 vs dobinson IMS?
We have not tested or brought in Dobinson parts but we do have an account with them. So it's hard for us to tell you what would be better currently. We will eventually test them but they are not on our schedule quite yet.
Any shocks for 2000 4Runner?
Yup! We have plenty of options from Bilstein, Fox, OME, Icon, King, and others. Give us a holler when you are ready to pull the trigger and we can definitely get you steered in the right direction.
Shoot, I'm at 110k on the stock shocks.
they may still be 'working' - but probably extremely squishy comparatively.
50000 miles? Ouch. Whose are rebuildable.
Most performance parts are rebuild and it's case by case based on one's driving.
@@ShockSurplus If they are rebuildable great, but that is very low miles..
Great video but lose the mask! 👊👍
Thank you! We were following mandates in place at the time of this content creation. Note we're reuploading all our content as they were removed from a data attack
You'll love the 5100s. I only did a .85 front lift for fitting in the garage and gas mileage.
Great video but are you guys planning on doing a surgery on someone with the masks?
This was shot at the beginning of the COVID lock down.
Why are they wearing masks
This was shot early on during the lockdown in 2020 so we were following the CDC protocols at the time.
Once I saw the masks I stopped watching….credibility destroyed.
Some of our videos were recorded during the pandemic when we were required to wear masks. The videos may seem like newer posts because we lost all our content and had to reupload everything. We are sorry to hear that our wearing a mask to protect each other during the pandemic has steered you away. We do hope you are doing well and staying safe.
Brooooo…. Ditch the masks. Good info… But c’mon man! Brandon even said you can ditch em… 🤦🏿♂️
it’s an old upload prior to the mask mandate being lifted. mask or no mask who cares - just watch the video
We appreciate you Pepper. As Pepper stated, we followed the mandates that were in place at the time.
Make a new video without masks
Thank you for your insight. We have no plans to re-record any old content. Our focus is in new material.
The masks 🤦♂️
this was recorded during covid, sorry
Apparently was recorded 3 years ago. Anyone wearing a mask after 2020, is cringey .
loose the mask !!!! its 2022 !!!
These are old videos in which we had to reupload.
@@ShockSurplus ah ok
@@adriandevora4090doesn’t work in 2022 like it didn’t work in 2020 😂
Masks? Really? Lol
We have stated several times on comments on this video. This video is old which at the time, we were required to wear mask by the mandate. We had to reupload everything due to an internal error. we have no plans to reshoot the entire videos just to remove mask.
Just delete the video wearing masks lol
Thank you for the insight. We have no plans to retake or remove the video. Despite the dislike that we had to wear mask at the time in which we were recording this, the overall info of the video is still quite relevant and helpful.
dude, take those masks off !!
This was shot in 2021 so we were following the guidelines for businesses at the time.