Sad Truth of Moon
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- Опубліковано 24 жов 2019
- What is the hidden meaning in the 2009 movie 'Moon'?
Moon is an interesting little movie and when I read a theory on reddit I decided to rewatch it with this in mind. Hope y'all enjoy.
Moon 2009
Dir. Duncan Jones
Starring. Sam Rockwell, Kevin Spacey
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Just watched it for the first time today. It was a movie that makes you very very sad. but it is undeniably a very beautiful one
About time someone else likes this movie
It's been a favourite of mine since the first time I saw it. Superbly made, written and acted.
Big fan since day one *raises hand*
100%👏👏👏👏
I bought Moon as my first Blu Ray because it was on sale at my local BlockBuster video that was closing for good. I had no idea what it was about but the price was right and I wanted to start my collection. I think I got “The Other Guys” also.
I loved it and it haunted me for awhile with after credit thoughts.
Mute had a scene in it with some insights to what happened after!
The video he found was of other clones not of the original sam, it shows the other clones get vaporized which makes it obvious that it’s clones.
No, you're thinking of a different video Sam watched.
At another time he saw a few seconds of another Sam (but I never noticed it was the original Sam on Earth... I think that glitch in the film was just a different cloned Sam on the ship).
My first viewing, I found the movie absolutely terrifying and incredibly creepy... it plays on so many of our sci-fi and horror genre assumptions gained through years of experience with books, TV series and movies. Yet I STILL love watching it again and again, as a totally different experience. Absolutely one of my all time favourite movies.
Couldn't agree more
Honestly: How did Sam Rockwell not get an Oscor for this performance?! Seriously.
One thing that I thought was weird is how okay they were with finding out they’re clones. I would’ve freaked out
I have watched this movie alone a few years back. I had this stupid idea that it was a horror movie. That's why the realization was a gut punch. Hit me harder emotionally.
Its such a good movie and the emotions of the story are really well timed
A Polar Bear’s dream of Electric Sheep.
There is no evidence in this movie that the Sam on Earth is collecting Clone Sam’s pay. None.
However the scene where Getty cuts Sam’s hair demonstrates at least one way that Central could have collected Original Sam’s DNA.
Besides, Sam is depicted as a decent guy. Do you really think he would agree to such an arrangement?
You're judging Sam by our standards. In his future it may be normal for this to happen and clones may not even be considered autonomous.
Or more likely the clones are the property of the corporation as part of the agreement for his initial contract. There's some evidence of this in real life as not too long ago a company in the US became the first in history to legally patent/copyright a gene. We're only a hop skip and jump away from this possible future ourselves.
The Sam on Earth (decent guy) might still be decent and also move forward with this proposal.
He didn't watch the movie Moon.
@@PeakedInterest "You're judging Sam by our standards"
And you're doing so based on nothing. There's nothing in the movie that implies that the real Sam knows about any of this.
@adum because that's the closest point of reference. The movie doesn't present us with an alternative so it's logical to say that he would be similar if not the same as us
@@PeakedInterest
At the end of the movie a controversy starts when the younger clone returns, so we know using clones like this isn’t normal in this world.
I think its about mortality and the human condition. Birth, work and the inevitably of death. seeking to communicate with some "higher" but unreachable ideal power/paradise (Earth) as a reflection of humanity seeking to try to understand a higher meaning to life outside of their humdrum workaday life.
Since I saw it for the first time I just think all the time about what a masterpiece it is and how I can’t describe it with words. It was well ahead of its time and just INCREDIBLE ❤
I love the movie. The soundtrack is a sheer delight and adds to the richness of the film
I have watched this movie many times and I never considered the idea that the original Sam Bell is alive and well and living with his family on Earth.
LOVE this interpretation my man. Years ago, when I first watched this with my Dad, I turned to him at the end and said something like "Do you think this was just literal, or maybe he'd lost his mind in some way?". I was grasping at something underlying, and subliminal, and I think your analysis here is fascinating. There are a lot of clues throughout that you could be on to something. I'd initially thought perhaps this was semi-literal: he WAS really on the moon, but he went bonkers over the 3 years and in his cabin-fever he essentially had a psychotic episode and split a la Fight Club. There are a number of clues that this too could be a viable interpretation, including his AI computer friend not initially acknowledging the other 'clone', and the two never interacting properly in front of the AI computer (in other words, no other 'person' sees them together, much like the hallucinations in a Beautiful Mind).
So... could my interpretation be right...or yours? I like both of them but they can't both be right. Thanks for this vid.
They can't both be right but they can both be possible. Great comment!
Man i love the AI gerty. i wish,if there are AIs invented in the future (hopefully not the deadly ones)they would have the same kind of emotions programmed in them like gerty. or just huministic emotions which drive their actions
I think it's arguable that gerty didn't just simulate the emotions because when it helps Sam later in the movie it didn't have to help him.
Agree, it's a clear nod to Asimov's laws of robotics.
@@PeakedInterest Hmmm good argument, but I think he DID have to help him... he was programmed to help him after all, and he even told Sam that.
That's true
One Scene that hit me hard, besides all the existencial points throughout the film, is the one with the dying clone that gets to see through the window the pod with the other clone being sent to earth. I wonder if the decaying health has something to do with the food they gave him... Also I would have loved to see the clone confronting the human perpetrators on earth, but it's better to leave that to the imagination... Awesome film, and great review!
There is a sequel, Mute (2018) which aired on Netflix.
One of the best movies ever made. However I find this can really only be enjoyed once.
This evaluation has much more depth than another video I saw on U tube. It is well thought out and better psychologically profiled. Thank you for your perspective. A fan!
Thanks very much, I take my time with my videos so it's always nice to hear its been enjoyable
I seriously love your UA-cam channel. Keep up the good work.
Thank you very much. I try my best
I love this movie, thanks for the video. ❤️. Neat trick of the eyes with the moon graphic!
You're most welcome , thanks for watching the video
brilliant video, incredible movie. I just love everything about the aesthetic and it hits my personal favourite quality's in movies (space, sci-fi, isolation, essentially one location, minimalism (Sam Rockwell is 90% of the movie, mystery). Sam Rockwell crushes playing 2 roles side by side. When people mention how much the love a film like Legend for example for Tom Hardy's excellent performance, i always recommend this movie for the same reason. Sam Rockwell deserves a lot more recognition for his acting abilities and overall eccentric character. He's such a personality. 10/10.
I thought watching it it pointed out our own mortality and life spans, the scene where he comes back inside after throwing up in his helmet to throw up in the toilet blood reminded me of someone going through chemo. In hospital nurses will do those card tests with you and gerty resembles a machine by a bed.
That's pretty neat way to view it
"The Nursery" track plays in the background as the older clone fades out.
*cries in corner* whyyy damnit
It’s not Helium. It’s Helium3.
I doubt the videos that "Sam" we are first introduced to stumbled upon were those of the "real" Sam, but a history of the recorded video messages of all the prior clones, all traveling the same 3-year planned-obsolescent trajectory of waking, working, longing, and decay.
That's probably true.
Another Great Video Esaay!!! I hadn't seen this movie but I definitely will.
Thank you. I'd highly recommend you do. It's a great movie
Dear TMS,
This is a footnote to our previous conversation.
I want you to know that in all the years I have surfed UA-cam, I have heard people make statements that I agree with and I have heard people make statements that I have disagree with.
Until yesterday I had a 100% history of leaving comments only with those I agreed with.
But “Moon” is a sacred movie to a lot of folks, and I’m one of them.
I can’t thank you enough for making that statement I disagreed with. It was brilliant medicine.🐓
You're most welcome. I always intend to add interest to things which I myself enjoy so to be able to help others view things differently and open lines of discussion with new people is geneuinely a treat for me. Thanks for taking the time to drop by and chat about your perspective, hopefully I'll see you again in future friend.
A 3 year replicant existence ??
He escapes to Earth as Roy Batty and is hunted by Decker.
Blade Runner ??
Dear That Movie Show,
Thank you. To be fair, I really like your review of “Moon”. It’s original and intelligent. Also your voice and cool accent is soothing.
Best wishes!
Thanks very much. Hope you'll stick around and watch more videos but even if not I appreciate the Conversation, its always good to hear other perspectives
In Britain at the moment there is a big scandal surrounding the Post Office exploiting it's subpost office workers. It demonstrates that big companies have no quarms about using people and I'm sure that not only is the fact that Helium 3 could help with our energy issues, this movie shows exploitation will always be with us. A lot of deep thought went into this film. I'd recommend everyone sees it.
This is my favorite movie.
One of mine too
Great movie.
Surprising how many people aren't aware of its existence.
DVD extras are worth a watch; how the set was made and how it was filmed are particular points of interest.
Yeah, great practical effects throughout the movie. Use of miniatures parrtiucarly
NICE1!! Great post, thanks!
Not literally comatose. We are all stuck in our bodies. Samsara is that the things that bring us the most pleasure also deliver the most pain.
love this interpretation. great video!
Thank you. It's a great film always loved it. The idea though was one expanded on from a reddit user. Appreciate you taking the time to watch and leave a comment
The actual plot is more interesting and poignant that your coma take. More interesting ethical issues etc with cloning and AI. But A for effort!!
Potential interpretations are endless, I see an unlikely yet feasible spiritual metaphor possible too. Still, great video and a coherent meaning you put together, thanks!
Thanks, it's a film which could be interpreted many ways, part of why I enjoy it so much
The videos that Sam was watching were not of the original Sam. He never left Earth. Sam the clone is watching videos of other Sam clones. No telling how far back the chain goes.
This is an interesting perspective, but it comes from the same universe & mindset as Blade Runner. So it engages the deeper issue of replicants / clones & what it means to be human. It dives into the question of rights for sentient life & the true ethics of existence. It also addresses true concerns of capitalistic power when mega corporations reach a level of true monopoly over not just a market but the society in which it engages. I feel clear that this is the true nature of the story & issues involved. Nice piece though, definitely relevant to other forums.
Thanks. I can't take all the credit, a reddit user came up with the theory, I just expanded on it.
This is my one of favorite or the favorite movie for me. Its awesome and actually super sad.
The Sam clones serviced btw. The Sam’s make an cameo in the movie “mute” by the same director. Kinda brings closure to this great film “Moon”
ua-cam.com/video/lkm-Voy0zXs/v-deo.html
How could this be Sam in a coma? A construct of his mind? They literally show the clone aftermath in Mute.
Love the movie. This analysis is a stretch.
Its a just a fun alternate way to consider the film, nothing more
one of my favorite movies too. Up there with Gattaca in top 5 fav scifi
How can it be low budget if they shot on location? Wait they weren't on the moon 🤔
All I see is corporate greed using clone sam as a slave. Fully knowing, the body will not tolerate the conditions for more than three years.
The only thing that gets me thinking is: Did the original Sam and his wife agree to this abuse? In the live video call to earth, his 15 year old daugher calls for her dad and it is the OG Sam coming to the phone.
Did they trade the fate of endless clone generations for a life without financial worries? The wife had to be in it, too, as she recorded the messages for clone Sam to keep him in line for the contract duration.
This film is a classic ,sad funny, and like u in my top 5 .New viewer here thanks 😊
Thanks, what a kind thing to say
'real sam lives on earth and collects the salary that clone sam earns' i must have missed this, where in the movie was this mentioned?
When Sam calls home and speaks to his daughter and asks to speak with his wife she shouts to someone off camera "dad"
If you turn on close captions it specified that the person off camera is 'Real Sam'
The script also says this.
@@PeakedInterest oh yeah i caught that! but i was confused about the salary bit, afaik there was no mention of this in the movie?
I think once you realise that each clone is destroyed at the end of the three year contract (the collection pod room is actually an incinerator) it's pretty obvious that the money earned by each clone is spent by the real Sam since the clones never live long enough to spend it
@@PeakedInterest that would make sense. i was of the impression that lunar had been making these clones without real sam's consent, and that the clones weren't actually earning any money, they were just being made to think they were. however since the movie itself doesn't go out of its way to provide evidence for either argument, i'd say both are quite valid
@@ratsalad178 it's certainly open to interpretation
I loved this movie...truly underrated!
Loved it! Good movie.
Interesting thougts.
One thing puzzled us however: why is there an actual, working capsule on the station to get Sam nr. 2 home?
This makes no sense at all.
Why would Lunar even install a working capsule when it would never allow a clone to leave the station?
The film even showed the bogus ones, which I think Sam discovered that they burn the bodies.
So why would be a real one?
And even if there is a real one, surely it would be secret? How does Sam 2 suddenly know about it?
This feels like a deus ex machina which entirely upends the logics of this fantastic movie.
Good one👍👍👍
Thanks very much
If you watch again with subtitles, when he's able to call home the voice when eve shouts, "Dad!" It says [Original Sam]. Do you have anymore insight on what this means?
It's highlighting that her dad (the one who lives at home on earth) is the original Sam. All the ones stationed on the moon have been clones from the beginning.
Im nerding out over cheer!!! Ken ha h33r meh!!!
I thought it sounded like Sam. But no way to know for sure. I was wondering what happened to the original Sam.
@@PipenFalzy Definitely sounds like the same actor. And makes sense.
@@PipenFalzy in the movie 'mute'
There is a easter egg that shows multiple sams in a court room.
Maybe many of these clones have gone back to earth.
You should do a blurb for spoilers
It’s a fave of mine too!,
Sure, anything’s “possible”.
But you present that “possibility” as “fact” in your review. It’s a sloppy presumption.
My video is really just an alternative way to watch the movie, nobody should accept it as cannon. Just an interesting alternate perspective. Something to add an extra layer to the movie if you will.
My friend, you are missing the point.
The perspective that Sam Bell is receiving payment for Clone Sam Bell’s sufferings does not “add” to the movie, it only detracts from it.
Fair enough. You're absolutely correct and I concede to your point.
I think it adds weight to the tragic circumstances of the clones.
This movie gut punched me so bad
It's a superb movie
Two years and only 12,618 views?
Some videos just don't catch in the algorithm I guess.
The genetic technology is there, the genome map of the human body is known. Corporations can use this knowledge and make this fictitious scenario a reality.
I thought the movie was about divorce.
Just like "INFINITY CHAMBER" ;
I haven't seen that yet
@@PeakedInterest now it's time to watch , all the best for brain exercise 😅
I'll be giving it a watch later. Thanks for the tip
Moon is my THE favorite movie of all time.
One of mine too. Great movie
Same here!
Where did you get the idea that real Sam collects the salary of the clones? That's quite a leap. I think it's more logical to conclude that the company used Sam's DNA and videos of his wife and child without his knowledge.
Great!k
Thank you very much
Is that Maeve from "The Boys" show 🤔
It is, you have very good eyes
@@PeakedInterest
Thanks ☺️
No, Moon wasn't a metaphor for a coma.
What if?
That's the video, just a fun extra perspective to give the movie rewatch value
@@PeakedInterest But it wasn't a metaphor for a coma. Also, it's not known if the original Sam Bell is aware that he's been cloned or not.
The film was primary made as a vehicle for Sam Rockwell and a call back to the more serious science fiction films that used to be produced decades ago.
Today science fiction films are just pure fantasy and are utterly disconnected from even known science.
If you ignore bad cgi and bad acting it would be 7/10
Bad acting?? You're out of your mind. Sam Rockwell is extraordinary in this movie. The skill and talent it takes to essentially be the sole performer in a film and still make it compelling is off the charts!
So I've just watched the film, and I think they are all clones, apart from the real Sam but the closer they are to the first Sam in character, the real Sam, the better, but some of the clones are more damaged than others, so it's a fight to get the real Sam back to earth btw the clones. Did the real Sam send himself back?!?
Most likely he did send himself back.
There's been 6 clones so far, right?
Yeah I think that's right. It's tough to tell because info on the others is scarce but I think you're right
@@PeakedInterest That makes sense when you consider Eve’s age at the time of the video call.
I wonder Sam 2 on earth and his life.
Watching recently, I realized that in many ways, Moon is a modern version of the tale of Sysiphus.
The Sam clones are trapped in a loop. Working towards a reward that they are always denied.
you beautiful bastard son/daughter/other of a kangaroo that's brilliant. *fan of Camus*
Expect nothing less, from the son of Ziggy Stardust!!!!!Future classic, FACT!!!!
Stopped watching at 2:09 due to the music 👍
Oh...that's not right.
No offense intended, but this interpretation of the film sounds like earnest fanfiction which starts from an idea and then looks for ways to back it up.
I could put forth my own interpretation: the film is *really* about Hitler's last days in the bunker, him coming to grips with everything he did wrong in his life, and being desperate to find a way out, to start over again. His clones are the lives he lived or could have lived. The wife he can't make contact with? Why, that's Eva Brain, of course. Unless she's a metaphor representing his dream of global conquest. So near, yet always an unreachable, failed delusion.
I'll need some time to figure out Gerty. It might be a representation of the music of Richard Wagner.
I'm not imagining this; I'm making it up! 😸
Eva Braun. Brain is what, I suppose, you have in your head.
No, to me this perspective makes it BORING.
The person that cloned me is probably on welfare by now cause I'm lazy as FFFFFFFFF
I haven't had kids for this reason lol
Moon is my life.....alone....in a nutshell or tincan...in orbit....to MARS ⏰⏰⁜