Thank you for using your platform to talk about this in such detail. I was abused and I've been blaming myself for 18 years, then Ethan said: "making kids believe they want it is part of the grooming process... That's where the guilt and shame comes from." I literally burst into tears. Thank you, thank you, thank you, from the bottom of my heart.
You're very strong Claire!!! I hope one day you find peace. I was also taken advantage of when I was young and a lot of days it can get very dark and difficult. But sometimes it takes a bit of affirmation that it wasn't my fault. Once again good luck out there
Very good show. Sad that it's ending soon but at the same, it will finish at the top of its creativity unlike other shows that should've bowed out much sooner like Big Bang Theory, oh damn that one....
The fact that preteens write fanfictions about these exact scenarios of like practically being adopted by their favorite celebrity on wattpad....really just shows how niave children are of how the world and power dynamics work. And how they may not see abuse as abuse when it took place. Scary
This guy is a loser, he should be ashamed for making a video like this. it was a different era child pedo was not common, now we make everything weird, stepbrother, daddy. ua-cam.com/video/wnXTrcfVpIQ/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/FnyUMfjkCYU/v-deo.html Watch this videos and tell come back.
Dude, what‘s with those comments? 10% arguing about MJ‘s guilt 30% are terrified of the thumbnail 10% random stuff 50% about Ethan‘s mesmerizing eyebrows
You don't seem to understand how percentages work... I had to scroll down 20 comments to see one about eye brows. 50% would mean every other comment mentions eyebrows - but they don't.
@criticalfrank Yeah I assumed that was the case. I have a friend who has TS. Some people such as my bro have different tics, his are throat clicks and gulps, but Ethan's are his eyebrows
Michael Jackson says he cared about kids, but part of caring about kids is setting healthy boundaries and safeguarding them. Even if nothing sexual happened, teaching a kid it’s okay to sleep in bed with an adult who’s not your family puts children in potential dangerous future situations as you have taught them it’s okay to do it
thank you for being decent and having common sense. mj stans have neither.even if nothing sexual happened, which it did, its wrong to take kids away from their parents. its abuse to be alone with them for your own gratification. everything mj did was for mj and then his propaganda is everything he does is for kids.
I get what you mean , but how can you teach something you don't know? Something like that is a social lesson that you don't learn through school but with regular interactions whith everyday people or friends, and Michael didn't have that. As a child he shared beds with adults and his brothers , and so to him it may have been something normal and innocent , and since he was so sheltered and famous there wasn't really anyone to tell him that it may be seen as weird
@@rii1303 see you get it. I just wasn't taught healthy boundaries. I'm the real victim! its the 7 year olds that are the real predators. honest! They kept violating my boundaries. and I had no idea what to do!. They kept doing it over and over my whole life. It was just bad luck! I swear. I always shared bed with my adult brothers but they were never there at the same time as my special little friends. bad luck! I"m innocent!
This. Whether their stories are true or not, those parents are terrible. Sorry, just have to say that. Doesn't matter if he was a pedophile or not, he was a broken man. You don't let your kids that close with a mentally unstable person.
@@Epic14Games I think what gets me is that if someone approached me, not to be my friend, but to befriend my child and be alone with them at their place I would reflexively say no. I don't care what the intentions were or the benefits I would gain, the job of being a parent is to protect and definitely not exploit.
It was a different era... And MJ was the biggest thing on Earth back then.. Plus his whole image was this innocent pure "Peter Pan"... he didn't only groom children, but also their parents, and the whole world...
@𖤐 Were you? Because anyone that was, and knew him way more than the 2 false accusers wade & james ever did, have nothing but great things to say about their memories. F-ck rob$son & safenut to the highest heavens - f'n perverts.
@@huskiehuskerson5300 Yep, and a guy with two good albums at best- the last one being Thriller- 35 yrs ago. Imagine if it was little girls sharing his bed...
I was a huge supporter up until yesterday when I saw the documentary. But after seeing that documentary it was shocking. And when they showed the pictures of the little boys smiling with Michael, it just broke my heart. They thought it was normal and felt so honoured to be seen as "special" in his eyes.
@@lovinliverpoolcongratulations for being an easily manipulated sheep. that trashymentary is a SCAM and has been debunked already by the seconds 🤣 And if you had 4 hours to watch a stupid TVshow (wrongly branded as "documentary") you'd have enough time to check out the immense amount of bullshit inconsistencies in that stupid TV show. It takes 5 minutes of your time. 5 minutes. Not 4 hours. I give you hints: look up the trains station that never existed (Safechuck) and the Cirque du Soleil emails (Robson). And if you still believe Michael Jackson did anything to these lying piece of shits, then you are still a dumb ass sheep.
Sia literally does the same thing with Maddie, she sleeps in the same bed as her, she says that she won't make music or art if it doesn't involve Maddie.......
yet she has the audacity to say Micheal was a ped* despite that he was found not guilty, there were witnesses, and he was investigated by the FBI for years. Sia was alone with a single child in her bed without anyone else involved.
I used to like her but have to admit got weird vibes-first from the chandelier video, like why is Maddie in a light tan leotard? At first it looks like she had no clothes on! I actually think there may be a chance MJ’s innocent, but it’s pretty slim, but was surprised the way she came down so hard on MJ because of the weird things she herself does
Dan had a good point, even if there was nothing sexual happening at all, just having a 40 year old man sleeping in a bed with a child is really disturbing, and if it isn’t illegal it should be..
That probably would be difficult because imagine a 13 yo going on a fishing trip with their dad and they sleep together in a tent. Should that be illegal?
@@Blubableful first off.. it is his FATHER.. these kids aren’t even related in any way to Michael, big difference. And also, they don’t have to share the same bed.. wtf
@@Jex2112 THe question is where do you draw the line. My preschool teacher sleapt next to me for a couple minutes because I was scared of the dark(we had sleep time then). And if you listen to the clip, MJ was sleeping on the floor, and the kids begged him to sleep with them.
@@user-oe4wr9tn2n did you watch the video?... they showed how obvious it was that the kid wasn’t asking to sleep in his bed, Michael pressured him into sleeping his bed, convincing him that it was actually what he wanted, instead of the other way around... it’s classic manipulation and it worked, especially on a kid who doesn’t know better.
@@Jex2112 Watch the whole clip that is shown about Michael and the kid, you will clearly see that the discussion is about "WHO WILL SLEEP IN THE BED AND WHO WILL SLEEP ON THE FLOOR!". The radio hosts is cutting parts... Michael Said "you sleep on the bed and i sleep on the floor". (took this from another comment)
My dad told me that there was a lot of abuse when he was a boy in a Catholic school. However, the most painful part was that people called him a liar and said - a man of God who never do such a thing, you are making it up.
My family member abused me and I lived with the shame and guilt for years until one day it came out and my family still has a relationship with him except my siblings ❤️ love them
@@shivaniseenivasan5241 suing your abusers is the right thing to do when your American. I wouldn't expect your 3rd world trolls to know a thing about it.
Michael and his assistant slept on the floor and the kids slept on the bed! If H3H3 would've played the whole clip! No kids were ever left alone with Michael! The kids and parents even testified to that!
How is he a stranger and Jesus isnt? You know that fake guy that you pray to and would leave your kids with? The difference between this god and that god is this god is real.
It's very fascinating to watch his eyebrows Edit: Prior to this comment, I had no knowledge of Ethan having tourettes as I do not regularly watch his videos. From some helpful comments, I now know he has tourettes. Regardless, I believe it is a positive characteristic that adds to his personality and character.
Pilkington it’s a joke There’s no solid evidence he did it and we know we can’t convict him of anything. But his personally makes us feel like he fucking did it
The only time a child should be sleeping In the same bed with a grown man is if that's their *PARENT* and even then a child past the age of like 5 should be sleeping in their own fucking bed.
What if the child wants to sleep with someone unrealted.In MJ case no child was ever invited to his bedroom ,the children were the ones who wanted to be with him always. if you don’t know anything then stop passing judgment,this man doing the podcast is a manipulator how clearly doesn’t want to tell the other side.
@@shivaniseenivasan5241 anyone willing to let their child sleep in the same bed as a man unrelated to them is gross :) there's an actual clip of a boy saying he didn't want to sleep with Micheal, and Micheal told him and I quote *"if you love me you'll sleep in my bed"* now that, is an actual representation of true manipulation.
@@kaitwinn Your fucking bullshit, because he didn’t even sleep in the same bed as them if you were really fucking interested in the story you would know that he slept on the floor and he let the kids have his bed, and the first accuser to this day doesn’t even talk, yk what that mean? It obviously means he didn’t want nothin in the situation because he knew the truth he was forced.
@@kaitwinn you see what you wanna see. the boys asked Michael to let him sleep in the room and Michael offered the kids the bed but the boy was gonna sleep on the floor which Michael wasn't having so he told the boy to take the bed and he slept on the floor with his assistant Frank. Stop spreading misinformation.
You all nailed it. I don’t know how people can’t believe the grown men who did the HBO Documentary. They spoke in MJ’s favor bcs they wanted his love, then as adults they realized what he did to them. God is the final judge.
Stand name: [Neverland Ranch] Stand user: Michel Jackson Ability: has absolute power over everything and everyone in the immediate range of the neverland ranch property
I remember being 13 in my bedroom after hot boxing the closet with my friends, watching the ending trial when he was innocent. I couldn't believe it. Money buys innocence. If he became a hated man it would fuck up so many people's money in the long run.
Money doesn't buy innocence. Innocence is proven if there's evidence to prove that this person was innocent. And for you to believe that Michael Jackson paid his way out of court is truly delusional and uneducated of you
I was abused when I was younger, and Ethan actually pointed something out that was in my life "The hallmark move is to make them think they want it" I can tell you with 100% truth that at that time I thought I did want it.. Now I realise what a mistake that was, as Ethan again pointed out again, is why I carry so much grief around with me, Because I had convinced myself that up to a point.. It was my fault, and maybe it was, I thought at the time this man was a friend, he was my best friends father but now I see that he was grooming me, I find it very hard to talk about unless I am drunk and grief stricken, I thought I would get into trouble if I told someone, and I still do.. My mum had to book me a therapy session and I couldn't even man up to tell her why, which itself carries its own grief. I cannot hold a job as I have depression and bipolar disorder, possibly stemming from these incidents, my life is in shambles I can't even get a girlfriend because I am mentally inept at talking to them, I can barely even have sex without thinking about these moments which as you can imagine puts me off, the girls then lose interest as they don't know the reason why I have lost interest, I have lost interest in life, can't drive as I'm too anxious, and trusting people is next to impossible on any level, whether they are a Man or a Woman, or a Child or an Elder, This is how much this man fucked my life up and all because he tricked me into thinking that I wanted it, and that pins down my anxious feelings and inability to hold a girlfriend and my constant (CONSTANT) suicidal thoughts. I feel sorry for these boys I do, I know exactly what they have been through as I have been through it multiple times myself, Thank you Ethan and Hila, I still view it as my fault up to a point and I will always have the dreadful memories and the terrible dreams, but now I know in depth what goes through their minds. I cannot thank you enough.
Benefit of the doubt, yo. But Hey If someone is going to lie like that for internet points, they should consider perusing therapy as well. You seem to have a lot of resentment, maybe you could use some also
@VincentHanna121 MJ literally admitted to sharing his bed with little boys. Do you not find that a bit strange? Here's the thing: MJ probably isn't like an evil mastermind, intentionally trying to ruin these people's lives. He's probably not a psychopath. I don't think he walked into a library and picked up "How to groom children for dummies." Half of his grooming tactics were probably just an automatic thing from his celebrity stardom, rather than some cunning plot. And it wouldn't surprise me if MJ himself was abused. He could have thought "Well I 'liked it' when I was a kid, and so these kids will like it too... and I'm not the one who's wrong, it's society's attitude toward what we're doing which is wrong!" etc. etc. He likely justified it to himself and didn't understand the damage he was doing. He probably genuinely believed he could never hurt a child in that respect. But here's the thing... he did. He fucked these guy's lives up because he falsely believed children are capable of consenting to a relationship. MJ doesn't have to be some supervillain, or a saint. He can be a person who has many qualities, both creative and destructive. What is most important is to understand so we all as a society can spot predators in future and stop them. If you can't even spot this predator in this ridiculously obvious example (because of your love of a celebrity's music), then you're woefully failing in that endeavour.
You do have more courage than you think though because you were able to post this. I wish you the best. Im struggling too with being abused. It really really does get better xo
I don't blame them as kids for lying in trial to protect michael. They were seeing the effects of the world hating whoever spoke out. That's terrifying especially as a kid. It's wild how much blind support a person will receive just because they're famous.
Their cases were so fraudulent and filled with lies, the judge was enraged! He said "this is what I think of all your false made up accusations" and then the judge just lit their lawsuits on fire. The building had to be evacuated. This is how court works. I swear!
Do you really believe Wade Robson was a sociopath liar that could get his lies past seasoned prosecutors/FBI investigators better than even the psychopath Killer Ted Bundy did? Who you kidding?
The part when Ethan said "trying to put your 20 year old brain in your 5 year old self." Hit me so hard. Coming from a victim, it is very true. The guilt is immense.
Aniremay why would people defend 2 liars ? Michael is innocent. FBI found nothing that proves/(d) that Michael is ‘quilty’ FBI! FBI! And Lisa Marie also said when she was there (in Neverland) kids wouldn’t let him alone for a minute, if he wanted to go to the toilet, they wouldn’t let him go without going with him. So that proves it all. Those kids themselves wanted to sleep with him. Michael also said that he never Invited someone to sleep with him! And He wasn’t a stranger to them, he was a friend. So would you tell me you never slept by a friend?
El.36 you seriously think... that that kid wasn’t manipulated into sleeping in the same bed as Michael... also.... a GROWN ASS ADULT MAN sleeping in the same bed as kids??? That’s just fucking weird and gross. There’s no way he didn’t touch those kids. How does that prove anything, what you’re saying? There’s no facts or evidence in anything that you just stated to me.
I was sexually and physically abused at a single-digit age. The details are always a little fuzzy when thinking back that far. Not to mention that while it's happening you don't know what "sexual" is. It's just "I got touched by someone I adored/trusted/loved and it felt good/bad/weird." (Fill in the blanks with whatever experience.) It seemed in this case, the kids did like it because they liked having "something special" with Michael, not to mention the threats of "You'll never see me ever again". So they very well could've said "no, he never did anything bad to me" while also telling the truth because they saw it as a good thing. That doesn't mean the story changed, it means the perspective changed.
Sorry you were abused, but this is absolutely not the case with these two. They knew it was bad because they were specifically asked whether or not it happened while MJ was doing such things. Wade even called the thought of those things "sick" when asked as a kid. To believe them we have to believe that MJ was abusing Wade while at the same time being under investigation by Santa Barbara Co AND the FBI and that he abused Safechuck in places that didn't even exist during the time he alleges he was abused. Please do more research into these guys. They are playing on the emotions of real victims.
@Brian Collins MJ is not comparable to some random guy down the street, nor you. Were you or Joe down the street the breadwinners of your family from the age of 8? Can you and Joe not going anywhere without a mob of people swarming you? Yes, I did watch the "documentary" and it was an absolutely joke. If you've read their original lawsuits, the court transcripts from 2005, and all the other legal documents, you'd see why every accusation is absurd and 100% about money. What "evidence" do you think was presenting in the movie? The fact that Safechuck claimed he was abused repeatedly in a train station that wasn't even built for another 4 years? The fact that Wade Robson' mother suddenly remembered that Wade never actually went on a grand canyon vacation that for 20 years she testified he went on with the rest of the family? These are just 2 of the blatant lies. My defense of Michael Jackson is based off the FACTS alone. The judge hearing Wade Robson's case threw away his entire statement because he said no logical thinking fact finder would believe him. He was caught lying several times to the judge, including hiding evidence of his lies. Do your research and quit thinking an intentionally one sided film is the gospel.
@Brian Collins Donald Trump Jr. spoke positively of MJ on Twitter. His mother stated MJ spent alone time with them. It is very well known that LaToya was in an abusive relationship when she said those things and the husband forced her, threatening to kill both her and Michael if she didn't. You love tabloids, don't you?
Hila had such a good comeback to the gaslighting fans. She is right, most of us are not qualified to look at court documents and draw conclusions from them. A documentary definitely does a better job presenting credible info to everyday people.
The fans aren't qualified either. They just repeat mj estate propaganda. They don't know Anything and don't care if American kids were abused. They just have to defend their god.
Ommstar Official No shit. Your powers of observation and deduction only rival those of Sherlock Holmes himself. Have anymore elementary comments to make on the matter?
All the jokes aside, I really appreciate the way Ethan and Hila are explaining the victim's mentality. I am so glad we have such understanding parent-like people like Ethan and Hila in the present day and age where victim shaming is still a thing. Thank you, guys. You guys have hearts of gold.
You do know that everything from this whole video what even say is wrong. I understand I'm talking about a mentality but when it comes to these allegations about Michael Jackson being a molester is stupidly wrong. This guy claiming that Michael Jackson did it yet he doesn't have no actual evidence to prove that he did it
@@ShakShak1999 That's why I am not specifically talking about MJ. I don't know what is true and what's not. I am just appreciating the fact that they understand the victim's mentality.
@@cornboy7587 Are you disrespecting a human female girl? Do me and my bois have to come take turns repeatedly Chuck Norris round housing you in the jaw in the back room of a hole in the wall Mexican restaurant like we did in the 80's Mr millennial ?
14:40 when i was young, i was on a ferry traveling to UK and a guy approached me ( i was like 6) and i think offered me a cookie or said do you want a cookie i have some in my room... and my sister eventually came (she was 10) and she basically took me away saying "parents are looking for us" , they were not far away but had left us to wonder to the arcade/kids area. Well i didn't remember any of this for years... it's not until i was like 18 and watched a program about pedos.. that it clicked, and this memory came flooding back ... your brain is incapable of understanding the wrongs at that age.
That's the problem, and that's why the victims are often accused of false accusations, i.e., "why didn't you speak out before?" It's solely because people don't understand the complexity of child sexual assault.
It's very strange how he longed to mirror his own life experience. He was "obsessed" with a child that displayed his skills, preying on dysfunctional families (like his own), and longed to nurture that child through his own abuse. It's all about the innocence he lost at that age. It's telling behavior and may be an indicator that he too was molested at a young age. It seems to be a comfort of his own first sexual experience. He should've just had therapy and resolved his issues instead of trying to find comfort by abusing others. No excuse, the man was *wealthy* and refused to get help.
Stop pushing your theory. Firstly a man who lost his childhood or had a painful childhood would never hurt a child it is almost like saying a csa victim would become a child abuser in future.secondly MJ was found innocent.Thirdly no victim sues abuser for millions of dollars.If you don’t know anything then please don’t judge.
@@shivaniseenivasan5241 She didn't say a man who lost his childhood or had a painful childhood would hurt a child.. she's saying that he could have been a victim of sexual abuse himself as a child. PLENTY of documented cases of abused children becoming abusers as adults. Wow, let your worship of celebrity go for a moment.
@@marlaplunk2833 plenty of doesn't mean all of, you know. MJ wasn NOT sexually abused as a child. He was abused mentally/psychologically and physically. And we all know he never abused any child in that way. So how come he was a sexual abuser, if he himself wasn't abused that way? It makes no sense. Let alone: being a victim of abuse does NOT mean the person will become abuser - that's pure nonsense.
i remember him talking in a interview about that his brothers during Jackson 5 tours would bring girls to their shared bedroom and have sex with them in front of micheal while he was supposed to pretend to be sleeping there could have been worse things happening behind closed doors
@@virocska no we don’t know, did you watch the documentary? There is more evidence that he did do it, than the opposite. Also you can’t know if he was molested or not but that’s not the point. This documentary shows two pure hearted men, that still love Michael, that have nothing to gain but a bad reputation, that have struggled with mental health problems all their lives thanks to these experiences open up because the secrets were crushing them. They tell their story so detailed and so similar, but they haven’t talked to each other about their own experiences. It was so believable it brought me to tears multiple times. These two stories are a few of the I think 7 stories that have come out against Michael, I mean come on. You can be a fan of his music, you can respect the art and his creativity as a dancer and musician, but don’t act like you know Michael better than these men who spend years of their lives with him!! #webelievesurvivors
I think that's why people believed he was a child molester when those boys claimed that because he looked scary. He's an easier target to believe something like that. But I'm still not convinced because I also heard MJ niece's side of the story, she dated Wade for 6 years. www.mediaite.com/tv/exclusive-interview-michael-jacksons-niece-who-dated-leaving-leaving-neverland-wade-robson-explains-why-shes-sure-hes-lying/
@@Rtytanicj im just surprised this is talked about now i thought that it was public knowledge that michael was a pedophile i knew it years before this documentary was made
41:36 That's why in Scotland we have 3 possible verdicts that can conclude a trial...... 1. *GUILTY* 2. *NOT GUILTY* 3. *NOT PROVEN* Not Proven is pretty much 'We know you did it but just can't 100% prove it'
Funny because the court found Michael not guilty Im pretty sure that's there's literally zero evidence that you did this so you're a free man... Not proven is more like okay so legally we can't say you did this because there's like no evidence but we wanna say you did it because you're weird... I mean come on people we have people now who can identify themselves as a kid a genderless one too because it's 2020 and that's okay...
what makes you so sure that you're not wrong? just because the media said so doesn't make it true. that's why you need to research, especially when we're talking about someone who's not around to defend himself.
Because there is irrefutable proof he didn't. He was framed, blackmailed & legally extorted & it started with a sociopath father - not the child in 93. The two actor middle aged & broke accusers are using the 93 extortion as their blueprint to extract hundreds of millions sueing a dead man's estate for the past 8 years. Criminals.
Please watch Razorfists Michael Jackson Rebuttle 3 - part series. He debunks 99% of the claims, with evidence that proves the men in the documentary are lying. Hell, part 2 of the series debunks most of Leaving Neverland before the documentary was even released.
It's a good thing they feel guilty for telling proven lies they lifted from a book by a man who fled the country after he lost a lawsuit over the lies he told.
Finally, finally i hear the same thought exercise!! The world is really groomed, everybody i know is making excuses for him which sound just like denial to me. Prayers go to the victims!
@loveutilltheendoftimeseye witnesses place the train station existing there earlier than the official records indicate. Even so, trauma from that sort of abuse can cause imperfect recall so that minor details such as dates can be can be remembered incorrectly.
@@an.d.m.aGrasping at straws right now 😂 if he was guilty, he would’ve been indicted all the way back in 1993. Or when the FBI was secretly investigating him for 10 years. The fact that people are still trying to convict a dead man who can defend himself says a lot.
@@enexius67 Using the train station as an excuse for why he didn't abuse James is just desperate clutching at straws, when he was abused multiple times, in multiple locations in and out of Neverland and in bed (as mentioned by his sister La Toya) and also when he was with him on tour, and he may have been abused longer than he remembered. Worse case scenario is he may have mixed up an upstairs room where he was abused in on a particular date 3 decades ago. If MJ was innocent, he would not have paid the1993 victim $23 million so that he would not be indicted. The FBI never investigated Michael Jackson, let alone for 10 years. He never defended himself even when he was alive, he paid millions of dollars to his victims avoid defending himself and paid millions of dollars to his lawyers to defend him to avoid defending himself in court. He was guilty.
I'm not saying it's not weird for kids to sleep in your room. I just want to clarify that the clip you played at 7:19 is misleading. At that point in the interview (if you watch the Bashir documentary), they are debating who will stay on the bed, and who will stay on the floor. So when Jackson says "if you love me, you'll stay on the bed," in this specific instance, he was giving up the bed, not inviting him to share the bed.
His "bedroom" was also hardly a bedroom. What you mentioned is a pattern, which is pretty frequent when you actually look up a lot of the shit. The only thing that stays consistent is that he was strange.
@@PlutoTracks He had a private room were he'd sleep Culkin says that Michael isn't really good at speaking since his social skills are low but we have to see the full picture before passing judgment
Merry Christmas appleheads. Hopefully your special friends aren't confused by what santa🎅 does in the middle of the night. Hopefully you reminded them he has to do his special massage to keep the Grinch from stealing their presents 😇 Tee hee hee
If you're that convinced that Robson and Safechuck are telling the truth, you must have done tons of research. I certainly have. Please answer me a few questions. - Why does Robson claim he got a subpoena to testify when the Private Investigator in that case states that he never got one, but volunteered to be the first witness? - Why does Joy Robson in both her depositions (1993 and 2013) state that Wade was never alone at Neverland up until 1993, when Wade claims, he was left alone in 1990, while the rest of his family went on a Grand Canyon trip? - How was Safechuck abused in the train station when it didn't even exist up until 1994, and then Michael Jackson didn't even live in Neverland in 1994, he was in New York and only returned in 1995. Safechuck would have been 17! Those are just 3 of the over 60 lies found in Leaving Neverland.
As a kid, I was demolished, wrecked, pulverized, obliterated ,annihilated, damaged beyond repair and unrecognizable by the end. Saddened at what would permanently never be the same. I just described what I did to every one of my special little friends 🐝🕳 s on a daily basis. Do the math. tee hee hee
@@teijul1106 I remember when the "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary aired on prime time.....the whole country was shocked and appalled, especially by the visuals of what a wreck MJ was, and how dishonest he was.....
@@selemawit9411 hbo made huge money with LN. Why not sue them? They badmouthed MJ, which they couldn't do if MJ was alive. Then MJ could sue them. So yes, it's about money - because hbo made huge money with MJs name.
@verbadum22 what's "bingo"? hbo played dirty and you think it's not ok to sue them - just because it's about MJ? So now if it's his name, nobody can sue, or what? MJ or his estate or his family has less right to sue, just because you blindly hate MJ? You don't know any of the facts of the case, but for some reason you feel hurt, if MJs Estate sue hbo - for money, as if hbo didn't make huge profit with LN...? Sure. If it's MJ he has no right. No right to fair trial, no right to presumtion of innocence, no riht to defend himself against defamation. And you think with that kind of thinking you can talk about rights... or call others disgusting.
The grooming thing is true. I got fiddled with from the ages of 7 till 12. My mum got a boyfriend and he used to spoil me and be really nice to me and I loved him as a child does while my mum got drunk every night. Then it turned into him getting really touchy feely watching me in the bath and coming into my room at night. As I got older I started to hate anything to do with sex and was obsessed with rape as he convinced me that I would be raped as my first time. I hated being watched. I absolutely hated him for no reason and always felt guilty. My teenage years were full of my mum drunkenly hitting me and bringing men home who would try to touch me at the age of 13. I hated her in the evenings. She was a good mum when she didn't drink. It was so confusing. It took me till the age of 16 to realize that what went on was in no way ok or normal and that I was pretty badly abused. It was a shock to me when I realized.
I'm so sorry that you experienced that; it happens to so many of us. As someone who was also abused as a small child, I empathize completely. Stay strong my friend ❤️.
That must have been a real bolt of lightning to your thoughts and emotions...you didn't deserve that...i hope you get some kind of peace of mind & feel that you can put it truly behind you from realizing that you didn't deserve that. We as children are sometimes thrown into bad situations that are not of our making & those things kind of shape who we are ?..sometimes even without realising it ? It's not till we get to have other deep relationships do we see the difference between a good relationship and one that harms us..however subtle those differences may seem ? & I hope you find love and understanding & peace of mind.
The MJ fans defending him in these comments - have me convinced that MANY people have mashed potatoes for brains. The red flags were everywhere, and persistent for YEARS.
He didn’t pay the parents. Some of them even claimed MJ abused the kid from the Black or White music video, and he had to come out to say it wasn’t true. They just want money.
The "train station" argument Michael's defenders used have been debunked: There was several train stations at neverland long before the famous one was built. Also do you remember everything you did yesterday? Try think what you did 5 years ago, let alone if you were traumatized. I know a woman who said she think she was raped by her father, but she says the memories has a big blur and she can't remember much. But she has not have had contact with her father in over 20 years. He gives her the creeps.
There was only ever one train station. Prove there was not. Train stops aren't stations. Funny Robson remembers verbitim what day it was when he was 7 ( A friday) they both are lying sacks of sh.t & that's why two judges have dismissed their cases for money multipal times.
That is not true, there was ONE train station. But you don't even need to go there, because the people behind the documentary said that the train station issue is undeniable and what was really wrong was the timeline given by Safechuck. So, we are to believe that Safechuck was off by SEVEN YEARS in his memory AND that he was molesting Safechuck at age 17, which undermines the entire premise of the documentary that Jackson "dumped" children at 14 for the next. By the way, BOTH individuals they claim MJ dumped them for (Culkin and Barnes) say Jackson never molested them. We are to condemn a dead man based on THESE facts?
@@ChokeslamToHell see! you get it! train stating came station. its all a bunch of baloney! Iittle boy liars kept taking advantage of me. I just gave them my hot milk and had underwear optional tickle fights. hee hee!
A close relative of mine was abused at school by a P.E. teacher. He only decided to do something when he saw my then 9 year old son playing in the sea with his Mom. He saw how innocent and small he was and at that point decided to speak out. He won his case but the compensation was derisory. The money didn't matter to him though. He was just glad he got justice.
The whole thing for me boils down to the fact that people would have completely different opinion about what happened if it wasn't MJ but some random guy. Just imagine if that random guy had the same explanations as MJ... There would be no conversation.
Hubert Skladnik people like to make up shit to ruin people’s reputation or to make money...funny why there’s constantly Michael Jackson documentaries and new victims supposedly and why didn’t they do this when he was alive he can’t give a defense and these people couldn’t give a crap about there family and disregarded their rights there are two sides to every story.
Live_LifeLove Music They didn't do it while he was alive because they were still kids and didn't understand what happened. Parents had accusations whole he was alive, but the children always disputed it because they were young and didn't understand (which is common with abuse). They've grown up and a couple of them almost had mental breakdowns when they had their own sons and realized what happened to them. It's very normal for child abuse to play it like this and for victims to take years before figuring out they're a victim
@@live_lifelovemusic9706 you're very right- there's a different side to every story and I'm not saying MJ is definitely guilty of child rape (there are other forms of abuse too). How would I know for sure? I wasn't there. You missed my point. I'm just asking you to imagine what your reaction would be if (for example) your neighbor took your kid for a sleepover to play games and the next day you found out they were sleeping in one bed? Then add the fact, he was there for months and that he was totally addicted to video games and would do ANYTHING to be able to go back there, skip school and just play games all day. Have you ever been 10 years old? Do you think it was fair for MJ to pray on childrens vulnerability? Even if they didn't have sex the very fact what was happening was sickening and there would be no conversation if it wasn't famous king of POP.
Hubert Skladnik yes absolutely right. If the same accusations came out about a random dude living an otherwise boring normal life, there wouldn’t be this kind of conversation. But because its this music god that we have all idolized, these must all be false accusations bc he can do no wrong. Sorry, but there is no reason, MJ or not, for a grown man to have unrelated little kids sleeping anywhere in their room.
Thank you for using your platform to talk about this in such detail. I was abused and I've been blaming myself for 18 years, then Ethan said: "making kids believe they want it is part of the grooming process... That's where the guilt and shame comes from." I literally burst into tears. Thank you, thank you, thank you, from the bottom of my heart.
God is with you💜
Claire I’m sorry this hit so close to home for you. We all got your back here!
ckchuck lol not the place jackass
Claire Q im so glad that ethan helped you understand that and feel so much better, i wish you well! 💗
You're very strong Claire!!! I hope one day you find peace. I was also taken advantage of when I was young and a lot of days it can get very dark and difficult. But sometimes it takes a bit of affirmation that it wasn't my fault. Once again good luck out there
“Everyone watches Game of Thrones, but no one has HBO.” Lmao so true
GoT is just so good
Very good show.
Sad that it's ending soon but at the same, it will finish at the top of its creativity unlike other shows that should've bowed out much sooner like Big Bang Theory, oh damn that one....
It's available on UA-cam right now...
I don't watch it and I have HBO
top creativity hahah. if they stopped then it would be at season 4 or something
MJ: "H33 H33"
Laurae Steele 😂😂😂 idk how this comment hasn’t received more likes hahaha 👌🏻
@@hayleym7770 I comment on this video 2 months late.
Lol
Omg 😂😂😂😂😂
I didn't expect this to blow up
The fact that preteens write fanfictions about these exact scenarios of like practically being adopted by their favorite celebrity on wattpad....really just shows how niave children are of how the world and power dynamics work. And how they may not see abuse as abuse when it took place. Scary
The way a child thinks and feels is so vastly different than the mind of a grown adult. People forget this.
Yea especially the bts fangirls
This guy is a loser, he should be ashamed for making a video like this. it was a different era child pedo was not common, now we make everything weird, stepbrother, daddy. ua-cam.com/video/wnXTrcfVpIQ/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/FnyUMfjkCYU/v-deo.html
Watch this videos and tell come back.
I am middle aged, but I want the Beckhams to adopt me
Dude, what‘s with those comments?
10% arguing about MJ‘s guilt
30% are terrified of the thumbnail
10% random stuff
50% about Ethan‘s mesmerizing eyebrows
Shhhh just let it be bro...just let it be
You just answered what's with them!
Manuel Vogelsanger so accurate man xD
You don't seem to understand how percentages work... I had to scroll down 20 comments to see one about eye brows. 50% would mean every other comment mentions eyebrows - but they don't.
Bryan Dude chill. It was just meant to be a joke, not an accurate mathematical conclusion ...
I thought the title was "leaving Netherlands" so overall not what I expected
Haha....😁 I'm from the Netherlands.
HAAAAAhaha I thought it was pretty accurate
Don't add us to this 😁
😂😂😂
Same
Nobody:
Ethan's eyebrows: ~~
He has Tourettes
@@joeybonzo2350 I believe he is successful based on that one quirk! I can't get enough of his brows!
Grace Persing damn best comment. Mass props
@criticalfrank
Yeah I assumed that was the case. I have a friend who has TS. Some people such as my bro have different tics, his are throat clicks and gulps, but Ethan's are his eyebrows
hilarious hahaha
Michael Jackson says he cared about kids, but part of caring about kids is setting healthy boundaries and safeguarding them.
Even if nothing sexual happened, teaching a kid it’s okay to sleep in bed with an adult who’s not your family puts children in potential dangerous future situations as you have taught them it’s okay to do it
thank you for being decent and having common sense. mj stans have neither.even if nothing sexual happened, which it did, its wrong to take kids away from their parents. its abuse to be alone with them for your own gratification. everything mj did was for mj and then his propaganda is everything he does is for kids.
Thank you. Completely agree
I get what you mean , but how can you teach something you don't know? Something like that is a social lesson that you don't learn through school but with regular interactions whith everyday people or friends, and Michael didn't have that. As a child he shared beds with adults and his brothers , and so to him it may have been something normal and innocent , and since he was so sheltered and famous there wasn't really anyone to tell him that it may be seen as weird
@@rii1303 see you get it. I just wasn't taught healthy boundaries. I'm the real victim! its the 7 year olds that are the real predators. honest! They kept violating my boundaries. and I had no idea what to do!.
They kept doing it over and over my whole life. It was just bad luck! I swear. I always shared bed with my adult brothers but they were never there at the same time as my special little friends. bad luck!
I"m innocent!
@@Childmo_Lester Nothing wrong with believing whether he did that fucked up shit or not, but your account is cringe.
I couldn’t concentrate with the Michael Jackson sound effects at the beginning XD
Zoinkariod haha they’re so brilliant
They always go overboard with the sound effects.
Makes it hard to listen to this podcast.
Daddy Tachanka only old people say brilliant, are you old?
@@S7K21 Are you cooked mate?
Shamoooone
he protec
he attac
but most importantly...
he he
I came to this
I woke everyone up in my house dieing laughing. Thanks dawg
such fuckin gold omg
10/10 comment
that's a good one
Moral of all these allegations: If you think it's okay for a kid to be that involved with a grown adult then don't be a parent.
This. Whether their stories are true or not, those parents are terrible. Sorry, just have to say that. Doesn't matter if he was a pedophile or not, he was a broken man. You don't let your kids that close with a mentally unstable person.
@@Epic14Games I think what gets me is that if someone approached me, not to be my friend, but to befriend my child and be alone with them at their place I would reflexively say no. I don't care what the intentions were or the benefits I would gain, the job of being a parent is to protect and definitely not exploit.
Eliza B. Really? The moral isn’t “don’t think you can surround yourself with a harem of little kids even if you’re a multimillionaire”?
nfvy I’d hope that would be common sense
It's literally that simple. People are beyond far gone because of garbage popular culture.
wether he is guilty or not, i will never understand why tf the parents would let their children stay with him
They were also there.
It was a different era... And MJ was the biggest thing on Earth back then.. Plus his whole image was this innocent pure "Peter Pan"... he didn't only groom children, but also their parents, and the whole world...
@𖤐 Were you? Because anyone that was, and knew him way more than the 2 false accusers wade & james ever did, have nothing but great things to say about their memories. F-ck rob$son & safenut to the highest heavens - f'n perverts.
@Floyd1504 That's because he wasn't. Provably so. Nothing you say will change that absolute fact.
Money.
‘Better get back to heaven, I got in after I apologized before I died.... dems the rules’.... literally spat my tea out laughing.
Lol fr
Izzy Meadows dude that’s an apostrophe not a quotation mark.
Aidan Ferguson ohhhhh shit!!!!!! Nooooooo. Shame on me. 👌🏻🤣🤣👌🏻
How does he make that voice sounded exactly like him it was so accurate the imitation of Michael Jackson Was spot on
"in a way he groomed the world ". damn. that was harsh but absolutely true way to put it. you're very right.
Lol in the country i live in most of the people dont give a crap all this mj superstar bs. Hes just singer dancer. Not a scientist.
Lol in the country i live in most of the people dont give a crap all this mj superstar bs. Hes just singer dancer. Not a scientist.
@@huskiehuskerson5300 Yep, and a guy with two good albums at best- the last one being Thriller- 35 yrs ago. Imagine if it was little girls sharing his bed...
I was a huge supporter up until yesterday when I saw the documentary. But after seeing that documentary it was shocking. And when they showed the pictures of the little boys smiling with Michael, it just broke my heart. They thought it was normal and felt so honoured to be seen as "special" in his eyes.
@@lovinliverpoolcongratulations for being an easily manipulated sheep. that trashymentary is a SCAM and has been debunked already by the seconds 🤣
And if you had 4 hours to watch a stupid TVshow (wrongly branded as "documentary") you'd have enough time to check out the immense amount of bullshit inconsistencies in that stupid TV show. It takes 5 minutes of your time. 5 minutes. Not 4 hours.
I give you hints: look up the trains station that never existed (Safechuck) and the Cirque du Soleil emails (Robson).
And if you still believe Michael Jackson did anything to these lying piece of shits, then you are still a dumb ass sheep.
"Grooming products." Too many Dollar Shave Club sponsorships.
That's so funny, I thought this exactly xD
Lmfao
@Abraham Oh fuck off
😂😂😂
ayyyyyyy
Sia literally does the same thing with Maddie, she sleeps in the same bed as her, she says that she won't make music or art if it doesn't involve Maddie.......
yet she has the audacity to say Micheal was a ped* despite that he was found not guilty, there were witnesses, and he was investigated by the FBI for years. Sia was alone with a single child in her bed without anyone else involved.
I used to like her but have to admit got weird vibes-first from the chandelier video, like why is Maddie in a light tan leotard? At first it looks like she had no clothes on! I actually think there may be a chance MJ’s innocent, but it’s pretty slim, but was surprised the way she came down so hard on MJ because of the weird things she herself does
@@Michael_black777 he was found not guilty because he had shit tons of money and support
@@katyaoleynik you're saying that because you know nothing about it. do your research.
It's a weird relationship for sure. Sia seems like a good person though. And it is a lot less common for women for take advantage of people.
Ethan: “On one hand he is a heinous criminal”
Or would you say a Smooth Criminal
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That was a good one
That was a good one!!!
@@user-tl4fi6oy8d how old are you ?
@@kalabatista3068 Fuck... I was going to say that!!!!! Y'all are fucking funny.
Dan had a good point, even if there was nothing sexual happening at all, just having a 40 year old man sleeping in a bed with a child is really disturbing, and if it isn’t illegal it should be..
That probably would be difficult because imagine a 13 yo going on a fishing trip with their dad and they sleep together in a tent. Should that be illegal?
@@Blubableful first off.. it is his FATHER.. these kids aren’t even related in any way to Michael, big difference. And also, they don’t have to share the same bed.. wtf
@@Jex2112 THe question is where do you draw the line. My preschool teacher sleapt next to me for a couple minutes because I was scared of the dark(we had sleep time then). And if you listen to the clip, MJ was sleeping on the floor, and the kids begged him to sleep with them.
@@user-oe4wr9tn2n did you watch the video?... they showed how obvious it was that the kid wasn’t asking to sleep in his bed, Michael pressured him into sleeping his bed, convincing him that it was actually what he wanted, instead of the other way around... it’s classic manipulation and it worked, especially on a kid who doesn’t know better.
@@Jex2112 Watch the whole clip that is shown about Michael and the kid, you will clearly see that the discussion is about "WHO WILL SLEEP IN THE BED AND WHO WILL SLEEP ON THE FLOOR!". The radio hosts is cutting parts... Michael Said "you sleep on the bed and i sleep on the floor". (took this from another comment)
The thumbnail is like a jumpscare
Momo 2.0
@@wevemetbefore1498 Momo looks under her bed for Michael Jackson.
Wile E. Coyote what is she a young boy? Oh wait he’d be under the covers
El AYUWOKI
@@whatsaaappthesequel Annie Ayuwoki? Annie Ayuwoki?
My dad told me that there was a lot of abuse when he was a boy in a Catholic school. However, the most painful part was that people called him a liar and said - a man of God who never do such a thing, you are making it up.
anyone who has ever said anything bad about me is a liar that wants money! my fans are the smartest people that ever lived!
@Rehana Ma how? There’s literally ONLY evidence that he did do it
This ain't no highlight, this is basically half the podcast
its the Michael Jackson arc
Bloonblaster2000 the podcast is the highlight
I know the topic of this podcast is sad, but I gotta say that Hila is GLOWING
That preggo hormones hon they aint doing her dirty ❤❤
Yeah.. a healthy toxic green
Ikr? Preg hila is so precious
Lee Weston no
Zoë Melina hila swearded
That thumbnail is the shit I see when I have sleep paralysis.
Taco Operator lol
Everyone and their mom has that these days..
ayuwoki
Yeah exactly
That’s horrible I feel for you. I’d cry like a little baby
My family member abused me and I lived with the shame and guilt for years until one day it came out and my family still has a relationship with him except my siblings ❤️ love them
Atleast you didn't sue ur abusers for millions of dollars nor u under oath in front of jury claim nothing sexual happened
@@shivaniseenivasan5241 suing your abusers is the right thing to do when your American. I wouldn't expect your 3rd world trolls to know a thing about it.
@@shivaniseenivasan5241what's wrong with suing your abuser? Many victims defend their abusers at first.
In what world do we leave our kids with a stranger? This one I guess?
The grooming product
But they didn't leave their kid with a stranger. They left their kid with a trusted friend and an idol. That's why he was able to do what he did.
Michael and his assistant slept on the floor and the kids slept on the bed! If H3H3 would've played the whole clip! No kids were ever left alone with Michael! The kids and parents even testified to that!
How is he a stranger and Jesus isnt? You know that fake guy that you pray to and would leave your kids with? The difference between this god and that god is this god is real.
@Sebastian Thor not a rapist*
It's very fascinating to watch his eyebrows
Edit: Prior to this comment, I had no knowledge of Ethan having tourettes as I do not regularly watch his videos. From some helpful comments, I now know he has tourettes. Regardless, I believe it is a positive characteristic that adds to his personality and character.
FASCINATING
Can’t tell if ur trying to be mean or not so ima like it just to be safe
It truly is. In a good way XD
It almost makes him funnier, not to make fun of him for his touretts
Oh man, he has tourettes? I didn't know prior to this, but regardless it adds to his character indeed.
To quote Danny Divoto
“Don’t diddle little kids”
To quote my English lit professor: learn to fucking spell.
i like ur comment but its at 69 likes so im doing u a favor
You got any proof that he’s guilty
Pilkington it’s a joke
There’s no solid evidence he did it and we know we can’t convict him of anything.
But his personally makes us feel like he fucking did it
NintendoPlushWorld he slept in bed with multiple boys
The only time a child should be sleeping In the same bed with a grown man is if that's their *PARENT* and even then a child past the age of like 5 should be sleeping in their own fucking bed.
What if the child wants to sleep with someone unrealted.In MJ case no child was ever invited to his bedroom ,the children were the ones who wanted to be with him always. if you don’t know anything then stop passing judgment,this man doing the podcast is a manipulator how clearly doesn’t want to tell the other side.
@@shivaniseenivasan5241 anyone willing to let their child sleep in the same bed as a man unrelated to them is gross :) there's an actual clip of a boy saying he didn't want to sleep with Micheal, and Micheal told him and I quote *"if you love me you'll sleep in my bed"* now that, is an actual representation of true manipulation.
@@kaitwinn Your fucking bullshit, because he didn’t even sleep in the same bed as them if you were really fucking interested in the story you would know that he slept on the floor and he let the kids have his bed, and the first accuser to this day doesn’t even talk, yk what that mean? It obviously means he didn’t want nothin in the situation because he knew the truth he was forced.
@@kaitwinn you see what you wanna see. the boys asked Michael to let him sleep in the room and Michael offered the kids the bed but the boy was gonna sleep on the floor which Michael wasn't having so he told the boy to take the bed and he slept on the floor with his assistant Frank. Stop spreading misinformation.
@@nunyabiznes6243 the child literally said he didn't want to, and the Micheal said "if you love me you'll sleep in the bed" are you fucking stupid?
whose a better dancer?
Like: Ethans eyebrows
Comment: Michael Jackson
idiot I was wondering if anyone was gonna bring up his brows lol
If we are taking in for real, Mj. Ima comment and like.
Staring at his eyebrows alone for more than 10 seconds gives me anxiety no joke , it looks like he's in pain.
Unnes Flash he has Tourette’s, and talking about this is probably stressful and emotional for him so his Tourette’s is heightened in this video
Lauren Doughty lmao u know hes guilty
Ethan: These were really handsome beautiful young boys
*FBI OPEN UP*
Investigate Ethan
Jesus Harry Christ on a bike!
Ladies and gentlemen...WE GOT HIM.
Ja'Crispy there’s nothing wrong with calling a boy handsome Lmaoo that’s like a older women calling a girl pretty grow up bro.
They were pretty cute though objectively.
Ethan grooms me with his sensual eyebrow movements
ElDeez DED lmao
He has tourettes
@@GabrielRamirez-cn3le I know
Facts
To be honest, I never noticed his Tourette’s until now. It seems to be flaring up a lot here. Maybe he’s nervous.
You all nailed it. I don’t know how people can’t believe the grown men who did the HBO Documentary. They spoke in MJ’s favor bcs they wanted his love, then as adults they realized what he did to them. God is the final judge.
@loveutilltheendoftimes Such as?
@loveutilltheendoftimes Nevner i fleng?
they were adults in both scenarios . In 2005 they were adults with children when they testified to defend him
100% this
You have hee'd your last hee
*Michael jackson kicks you in the face* C'mon! ugh. Heeeeee~.
Never, as long as we are in neverland~ hehehe, weeeee~
@Zadorien Hollis he means, hee hee shamonaaa
DEUS VULT I like your pfp boi
Stand name: [Neverland Ranch]
Stand user: Michel Jackson
Ability: has absolute power over everything and everyone in the immediate range of the neverland ranch property
🗜💿📀🦠🧬
I'm living for Hila's hair.
It's glorious
After all that talk about abuse, you focused on Hila’s hair hahaha omg. But yea, it’s nice
Hair is nice but the way she says world kills me.
@@dappunk1 People not from the US say they like American accents too.
@@Stiffmiester979 That's her accent.
OMG I can't believe Miranda Cosgrove would do this!
I'm dead 😂
someone explain
@@dantheman_777_5 they both look alike, that's the joke
BrokeBot you’re dead like Miranda Cosgrove,
I remember being 13 in my bedroom after hot boxing the closet with my friends, watching the ending trial when he was innocent. I couldn't believe it. Money buys innocence. If he became a hated man it would fuck up so many people's money in the long run.
Money doesn't buy innocence. Innocence is proven if there's evidence to prove that this person was innocent. And for you to believe that Michael Jackson paid his way out of court is truly delusional and uneducated of you
@@ShakShak1999 👌🏽
@@jessicamessicaYT is this your way of agreeing with what I just said?
Money can't buy justice for your child
@@mr_rexdinosaur exactly
no one:
Sound effects: *HEE HEE*
Kaptin Kat123 j
so inappropriate
It's great how relaxed Hila is now. Props to her.
@Deh_Spaghetti_ Boi chill out
She keeps coming out of her shell & pregnancy seems to be doing her well.
I know! And she has a lot to contribute too! I'm glad she's doing that with more ease.
Deh_Spaghetti_ Boi she looks annoyed by it too, feel bad for her. Ethan should step in and tell the sound guy to shut it when hilas talking.
It makes me so happy to see her just relax and be herself
I was abused when I was younger, and Ethan actually pointed something out that was in my life "The hallmark move is to make them think they want it" I can tell you with 100% truth that at that time I thought I did want it.. Now I realise what a mistake that was, as Ethan again pointed out again, is why I carry so much grief around with me, Because I had convinced myself that up to a point.. It was my fault, and maybe it was, I thought at the time this man was a friend, he was my best friends father but now I see that he was grooming me, I find it very hard to talk about unless I am drunk and grief stricken, I thought I would get into trouble if I told someone, and I still do.. My mum had to book me a therapy session and I couldn't even man up to tell her why, which itself carries its own grief. I cannot hold a job as I have depression and bipolar disorder, possibly stemming from these incidents, my life is in shambles I can't even get a girlfriend because I am mentally inept at talking to them, I can barely even have sex without thinking about these moments which as you can imagine puts me off, the girls then lose interest as they don't know the reason why I have lost interest, I have lost interest in life, can't drive as I'm too anxious, and trusting people is next to impossible on any level, whether they are a Man or a Woman, or a Child or an Elder, This is how much this man fucked my life up and all because he tricked me into thinking that I wanted it, and that pins down my anxious feelings and inability to hold a girlfriend and my constant (CONSTANT) suicidal thoughts.
I feel sorry for these boys I do, I know exactly what they have been through as I have been through it multiple times myself, Thank you Ethan and Hila, I still view it as my fault up to a point and I will always have the dreadful memories and the terrible dreams, but now I know in depth what goes through their minds. I cannot thank you enough.
Liam Wimmer please continue to pursue therapy sessions!
Benefit of the doubt, yo. But Hey If someone is going to lie like that for internet points, they should consider perusing therapy as well. You seem to have a lot of resentment, maybe you could use some also
@VincentHanna121 MJ literally admitted to sharing his bed with little boys. Do you not find that a bit strange?
Here's the thing: MJ probably isn't like an evil mastermind, intentionally trying to ruin these people's lives. He's probably not a psychopath. I don't think he walked into a library and picked up "How to groom children for dummies." Half of his grooming tactics were probably just an automatic thing from his celebrity stardom, rather than some cunning plot. And it wouldn't surprise me if MJ himself was abused. He could have thought "Well I 'liked it' when I was a kid, and so these kids will like it too... and I'm not the one who's wrong, it's society's attitude toward what we're doing which is wrong!" etc. etc. He likely justified it to himself and didn't understand the damage he was doing. He probably genuinely believed he could never hurt a child in that respect. But here's the thing... he did. He fucked these guy's lives up because he falsely believed children are capable of consenting to a relationship.
MJ doesn't have to be some supervillain, or a saint. He can be a person who has many qualities, both creative and destructive. What is most important is to understand so we all as a society can spot predators in future and stop them. If you can't even spot this predator in this ridiculously obvious example (because of your love of a celebrity's music), then you're woefully failing in that endeavour.
You do have more courage than you think though because you were able to post this. I wish you the best. Im struggling too with being abused. It really really does get better xo
@@ag-bf3ty MJ slept on the floor or his couch while kids slept on his bed.
I don't blame them as kids for lying in trial to protect michael. They were seeing the effects of the world hating whoever spoke out. That's terrifying especially as a kid. It's wild how much blind support a person will receive just because they're famous.
Their cases were so fraudulent and filled with lies, the judge was enraged! He said "this is what I think of all your false made up accusations" and then the judge just lit their lawsuits on fire. The building had to be evacuated. This is how court works. I swear!
Do you really believe Wade Robson was a sociopath liar that could get his lies past seasoned prosecutors/FBI investigators better than even the psychopath Killer Ted Bundy did? Who you kidding?
Plot twist: H3H3 got their name from MJ’s signature Phrase...
DANTHEMANDEM *He He*
That’s actually what I’ve always thought
H3H3! shamone!
Pp
LOL! 😂😂😂
I wanna click the like button but I’d rather keep it at 666
My heart beat raised when I seen that thumbnail.
Ok nigga
@Totti - King Of Rome same
Lina Avelyn We talkin' about Ethan right?
Oof
Lina Avelyn look up the ayuwoki
The part when Ethan said "trying to put your 20 year old brain in your 5 year old self." Hit me so hard. Coming from a victim, it is very true. The guilt is immense.
@James Town oof
@@sapphire3215 In fact he said he shared his bed, he never said he was in it. Time to read the 2005 trial transcripts...
James Town I’m sorry, but if he wasn’t Michael Jackson.... would you feel the same way?? Why are people defending these pedophiles. It’s disgusting.
Aniremay why would people defend 2 liars ? Michael is innocent. FBI found nothing that proves/(d) that Michael is ‘quilty’ FBI! FBI! And Lisa Marie also said when she was there (in Neverland) kids wouldn’t let him alone for a minute, if he wanted to go to the toilet, they wouldn’t let him go without going with him. So that proves it all. Those kids themselves wanted to sleep with him. Michael also said that he never Invited someone to sleep with him! And He wasn’t a stranger to them, he was a friend. So would you tell me you never slept by a friend?
El.36 you seriously think... that that kid wasn’t manipulated into sleeping in the same bed as Michael... also.... a GROWN ASS ADULT MAN sleeping in the same bed as kids??? That’s just fucking weird and gross. There’s no way he didn’t touch those kids. How does that prove anything, what you’re saying? There’s no facts or evidence in anything that you just stated to me.
Any parent in their right mind wouldn't let their kid sleep in the same room much less the same bed with an adult man...especially alone.
what?! It was innocent. They were just my little cuddle bugs. what could go wrong!?
Do I look untrustworthy to you?
I was sexually and physically abused at a single-digit age. The details are always a little fuzzy when thinking back that far. Not to mention that while it's happening you don't know what "sexual" is. It's just "I got touched by someone I adored/trusted/loved and it felt good/bad/weird." (Fill in the blanks with whatever experience.) It seemed in this case, the kids did like it because they liked having "something special" with Michael, not to mention the threats of "You'll never see me ever again".
So they very well could've said "no, he never did anything bad to me" while also telling the truth because they saw it as a good thing. That doesn't mean the story changed, it means the perspective changed.
Sorry you were abused, but this is absolutely not the case with these two. They knew it was bad because they were specifically asked whether or not it happened while MJ was doing such things. Wade even called the thought of those things "sick" when asked as a kid. To believe them we have to believe that MJ was abusing Wade while at the same time being under investigation by Santa Barbara Co AND the FBI and that he abused Safechuck in places that didn't even exist during the time he alleges he was abused. Please do more research into these guys. They are playing on the emotions of real victims.
@Brian Collins MJ is not comparable to some random guy down the street, nor you. Were you or Joe down the street the breadwinners of your family from the age of 8? Can you and Joe not going anywhere without a mob of people swarming you?
Yes, I did watch the "documentary" and it was an absolutely joke. If you've read their original lawsuits, the court transcripts from 2005, and all the other legal documents, you'd see why every accusation is absurd and 100% about money.
What "evidence" do you think was presenting in the movie? The fact that Safechuck claimed he was abused repeatedly in a train station that wasn't even built for another 4 years? The fact that Wade Robson' mother suddenly remembered that Wade never actually went on a grand canyon vacation that for 20 years she testified he went on with the rest of the family? These are just 2 of the blatant lies.
My defense of Michael Jackson is based off the FACTS alone. The judge hearing Wade Robson's case threw away his entire statement because he said no logical thinking fact finder would believe him. He was caught lying several times to the judge, including hiding evidence of his lies.
Do your research and quit thinking an intentionally one sided film is the gospel.
@Brian Collins I believe that neither of those things are my business, neither are they yours.
@Brian Collins BTW your buddy Trump is one of MJ's defenders and MJ spent alone time with his 3 oldest kids.
@Brian Collins Donald Trump Jr. spoke positively of MJ on Twitter. His mother stated MJ spent alone time with them.
It is very well known that LaToya was in an abusive relationship when she said those things and the husband forced her, threatening to kill both her and Michael if she didn't.
You love tabloids, don't you?
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Andrew Torres s(hee) c(hee)ated
I'd pin this if I could
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I guess you could say Michael was a Smooth Criminal.
😂
They’d been stroked by a smooth criminal
I can not say it too
dunnunun na na nunun dun
i like that
Hila had such a good comeback to the gaslighting fans. She is right, most of us are not qualified to look at court documents and draw conclusions from them. A documentary definitely does a better job presenting credible info to everyday people.
The fans aren't qualified either. They just repeat mj estate propaganda. They don't know Anything and don't care if American kids were abused. They just have to defend their god.
@Rehana Ma your pptoucher hero made this disgustin pedoh anthem
ua-cam.com/video/puQEcN_iI9o/v-deo.html
Not necessarily. It depends on the creator of the documentary and their motives.
*is named H3 Podcast Highlights*
*uploads a 56 minute video*
It's mostly an attempt to calm down the pro MJ crowd who's giving him shit
Theres a lot to cover.
Ommstar Official because it is important.
Ommstar Official No shit. Your powers of observation and deduction only rival those of Sherlock Holmes himself. Have anymore elementary comments to make on the matter?
Jordan Fuqua absolutely
When I was a kid everyone thought MJ was a pedo. Then he died and everyone loved him. And now everyone is saying he’s a pedo again. Smh.
#metoo was a mistake. It did far more harm than it helped imo.
butterstix 24 why do guys that say shit like this always have an anime profile pic
Wiener Bread I don’t even know wtf #metoo has to do w my first comment anyway 😂
butterstix 24 mind explaining what the #metoo movement has to do with this?
Christian Right? I swear these weird fucks complain about metoo on random ass shit more than I actually see metoo shit
All the jokes aside, I really appreciate the way Ethan and Hila are explaining the victim's mentality. I am so glad we have such understanding parent-like people like Ethan and Hila in the present day and age where victim shaming is still a thing. Thank you, guys. You guys have hearts of gold.
You do know that everything from this whole video what even say is wrong. I understand I'm talking about a mentality but when it comes to these allegations about Michael Jackson being a molester is stupidly wrong. This guy claiming that Michael Jackson did it yet he doesn't have no actual evidence to prove that he did it
@@ShakShak1999 That's why I am not specifically talking about MJ. I don't know what is true and what's not. I am just appreciating the fact that they understand the victim's mentality.
@@ananyaneralla5382 but tell me how are they using the mentality of a victim but they are using false accusers
@@ananyaneralla5382 how can you assume these are real victims?
@Voidaken yeah right. Did they really care about because they were actually focus on real victims. Not false Accusers
Hila is the queen of explaining things clearly in minimum number of words
I love the random Michael Jackson sound effects😂😂
Ok.
I find it annoying and distracting
@@cornboy7587 Are you disrespecting a human female girl? Do me and my bois have to come take turns repeatedly Chuck Norris round housing you in the jaw in the back room of a hole in the wall Mexican restaurant like we did in the 80's Mr millennial ?
@@cornboy7587 Wait until Roseanne gets here. That's when the real fun starts.
@@johngoodman4829 Of course not, malord.
14:40
when i was young, i was on a ferry traveling to UK and a guy approached me ( i was like 6) and i think offered me a cookie or said do you want a cookie i have some in my room... and my sister eventually came (she was 10) and she basically took me away saying "parents are looking for us" , they were not far away but had left us to wonder to the arcade/kids area.
Well i didn't remember any of this for years... it's not until i was like 18 and watched a program about pedos.. that it clicked, and this memory came flooding back ... your brain is incapable of understanding the wrongs at that age.
instantsurgery you got some horrible parents
That's the problem, and that's why the victims are often accused of false accusations, i.e., "why didn't you speak out before?" It's solely because people don't understand the complexity of child sexual assault.
Your lucky you werent taken advantage of by that guy.
@Brad BradBradBrad my sentiments exactly.
^those guys probably got fondled while eating it so don't be like them
So glad hila is gaining confidence and speaking up. Appreciate ya
Shut the fuck up
Yeah I agree. Its nice to see that she's more comfortable because she makes alot of great points.
@@gogglesXL You're an actual idiot. Good luck.
Dartt Hila Points can be debunked
@@GrandmasRoommate5vr cringe
It's very strange how he longed to mirror his own life experience.
He was "obsessed" with a child that displayed his skills, preying on dysfunctional families (like his own), and longed to nurture that child through his own abuse.
It's all about the innocence he lost at that age.
It's telling behavior and may be an indicator that he too was molested at a young age. It seems to be a comfort of his own first sexual experience.
He should've just had therapy and resolved his issues instead of trying to find comfort by abusing others.
No excuse, the man was *wealthy* and refused to get help.
Stop pushing your theory. Firstly a man who lost his childhood or had a painful childhood would never hurt a child it is almost like saying a csa victim would become a child abuser in future.secondly MJ was found innocent.Thirdly no victim sues abuser for millions of dollars.If you don’t know anything then please don’t judge.
@@shivaniseenivasan5241 She didn't say a man who lost his childhood or had a painful childhood would hurt a child.. she's saying that he could have been a victim of sexual abuse himself as a child. PLENTY of documented cases of abused children becoming abusers as adults. Wow, let your worship of celebrity go for a moment.
@@marlaplunk2833 plenty of doesn't mean all of, you know. MJ wasn NOT sexually abused as a child. He was abused mentally/psychologically and physically. And we all know he never abused any child in that way. So how come he was a sexual abuser, if he himself wasn't abused that way? It makes no sense. Let alone: being a victim of abuse does NOT mean the person will become abuser - that's pure nonsense.
i remember him talking in a interview about that his brothers during Jackson 5 tours would bring girls to their shared bedroom and have sex with them in front of micheal while he was supposed to pretend to be sleeping
there could have been worse things happening behind closed doors
@@virocska no we don’t know, did you watch the documentary? There is more evidence that he did do it, than the opposite. Also you can’t know if he was molested or not but that’s not the point. This documentary shows two pure hearted men, that still love Michael, that have nothing to gain but a bad reputation, that have struggled with mental health problems all their lives thanks to these experiences open up because the secrets were crushing them. They tell their story so detailed and so similar, but they haven’t talked to each other about their own experiences. It was so believable it brought me to tears multiple times.
These two stories are a few of the I think 7 stories that have come out against Michael, I mean come on.
You can be a fan of his music, you can respect the art and his creativity as a dancer and musician, but don’t act like you know Michael better than these men who spend years of their lives with him!!
#webelievesurvivors
Bro, that Michael Jackson thumbnail is more disturbing than Momo 😂😂
Photoshop 😑
Look like a wax sculpture
Jaimy Kempkes your telling me he didn't look like that before he died? The dudes nose fell off
Jaimy Kempkes disrespectful? The dude molested these men watch the documentary seriously.
@@bennyb3342 I've seen the documentary, but I did my research too.
Ethans microphone looks like a lightsaber hilt
RE20 BOIII. Its a really cool mic, used a lot in radio broadcasting
Arthur are you sponsored?
@@kingofmemes7286 nah im an Audio Engineer, but for just 5 easy payments of $49.99 this sucker could be all yours
@@bo64625 damn straight brother
God bless you
Hila is GLOWING. Pretty mama!
Nice last name
Aye if you two got married she wouldn’t have to change her name 🤷♂️
@@jaredrobison6274 theyre related already
Is Hila the female with no personality whatsoever? It seems she doesn’t want to be there..like a dead fish in the water
@@Clandestino21 u must be so nice irl
Interesting point is he NEVER Had little girls sleep in his bed.
False, Wade Robson sister said in 93,she slept in MJ bed too.
@@thinker185 tee hee hee. i had her in there one night so wades' mom knew it was ok and normal.🥰😚🤫and then i got down to business
@@Childmo_Lester nobody said it was normal behavior. Doesn't mean he was a pedo
@@thinker185 tee hee hee exactly! 😇😚i was just an eccentric. I just wanted to share innocent love to those that needed it. honest!🤭🤫🤫
@@Childmo_Lesteryou know you can say what ever you want. At the end of the day, the only people who know are the kids, MJ and God.
I loved MJ as a kid but his Dramatic plastic surgery transformation used to scare tf out of me
how did the thumbnail make you feel?????
Kennedy j kinda shit myself
@@EditedByGQ fucking samee
Idk lol sorry not all child molesters are handsome
I think that's why people believed he was a child molester when those boys claimed that because he looked scary. He's an easier target to believe something like that. But I'm still not convinced because I also heard MJ niece's side of the story, she dated Wade for 6 years. www.mediaite.com/tv/exclusive-interview-michael-jacksons-niece-who-dated-leaving-leaving-neverland-wade-robson-explains-why-shes-sure-hes-lying/
The picture of MJ in the thumbnail is the stuff of nightmares
Fr...imagine waking up to that at the foot of your bed.
I was thinking the same exact thing.
It’s not real
that's why he choose it. Narrative duh.
@@Rtytanicj im just surprised this is talked about now i thought that it was public knowledge that michael was a pedophile i knew it years before this documentary was made
Imagine all those Micheal Jackson impersonators being out of work.
??? I'm not even a fan of Michael Jackson but I fully believe that separating the art from the artist is possible.
@@izcoolproductionsV1 then why there is fucking cancel mj going on???
Inb4 Holloween 2019 is the year of the Michael Jackson costumes.
@@everything483 because he said HE believes, not everyone believes.
Coraima Raygoza I thought that my self. What about the ones who have had plastic surgeries 🤦🏻♂️ their fucked,
I think Ethan’s eyebrows have better moves than Michael Jackson did. 19:10 that shit was fireee
Hila was getting frustrated when Ethan kept playing sound clips over her trying to explain the MJ Documentary
Idk why he still has that shit...so annoying
Spenom X it really is though
Ethan, take note
Timestamp??
I don't think Ethan is the one that controls the sound
Ethan: Talks about Michael Jackson
MJ fans: *im about to end this man's whole career*
Holy hecc, thanks for all the likes.
Boom. Bam bop. badda bop boom. Pow.
@@mehlessmidori602 OHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
im a MJ fan and I love h3h3 :)
@@savanna8123 same tbh lol
*What career*
41:36 That's why in Scotland we have 3 possible verdicts that can conclude a trial......
1. *GUILTY*
2. *NOT GUILTY*
3. *NOT PROVEN*
Not Proven is pretty much 'We know you did it but just can't 100% prove it'
That's amazing, I've never seen anything like that before
Funny because the court found Michael not guilty Im pretty sure that's there's literally zero evidence that you did this so you're a free man... Not proven is more like okay so legally we can't say you did this because there's like no evidence but we wanna say you did it because you're weird... I mean come on people we have people now who can identify themselves as a kid a genderless one too because it's 2020 and that's okay...
Subłiminåł WhØ? “because you’re weird”
Subłiminåł WhØ? man u dumb af
😂
Can we talk about the comments on the documentary on UA-cam
So disturbing how many people still don’t believe he did it
what makes you so sure that you're not wrong? just because the media said so doesn't make it true. that's why you need to research, especially when we're talking about someone who's not around to defend himself.
Because there is irrefutable proof he didn't. He was framed, blackmailed & legally extorted & it started with a sociopath father - not the child in 93. The two actor middle aged & broke accusers are using the 93 extortion as their blueprint to extract hundreds of millions sueing a dead man's estate for the past 8 years. Criminals.
Please watch Razorfists Michael Jackson Rebuttle 3 - part series. He debunks 99% of the claims, with evidence that proves the men in the documentary are lying. Hell, part 2 of the series debunks most of Leaving Neverland before the documentary was even released.
tin foil hats in these replies
He groomed the world. It’s so sad because now those people are more likely to be groomed by predators with their own kids.
When Ethan talked about how victims of child abuse feel guilty...I felt that in my soul. Thank you for saying that, Ethan
Wayment
Lol
It's a good thing they feel guilty for telling proven lies they lifted from a book by a man who fled the country after he lost a lawsuit over the lies he told.
@@lucianandrades7032 Considering the "victims" being referenced are said liars, it has everything to do with it.
The Playbunny Arcade u suck
whoever is doing the sound effects keeps cutting hila off and its pissing me off!
madison same, like they were trying to be serious, and he keeps putting it in there
Hila doesn’t really say anything important anyway
@@blaineoconnor #merked oof
@@blaineoconnor I FARTED!! BOOM!! ROASTED!!!
Ya wtf? Not the time!
I spent alot of time with Michael Jackson, and I never saw him touch children, not even once.
-Stevie Wonder
striped SAUSAGE r/woosh
striped SAUSAGE you do realize Stevie wonder is *_BLIND_* right? And btw it was a joke
Lol this is funny
I heard he knew but turned a blind eye to it
Marla Jacques How could you joke about this? These children were robbed blind of their innocence.
Finally, finally i hear the same thought exercise!! The world is really groomed, everybody i know is making excuses for him which sound just like denial to me. Prayers go to the victims!
the same victims who can't keep their stories straight
@loveutilltheendoftimeseye witnesses place the train station existing there earlier than the official records indicate. Even so, trauma from that sort of abuse can cause imperfect recall so that minor details such as dates can be can be remembered incorrectly.
@@an.d.m.aGrasping at straws right now 😂 if he was guilty, he would’ve been indicted all the way back in 1993. Or when the FBI was secretly investigating him for 10 years. The fact that people are still trying to convict a dead man who can defend himself says a lot.
@@enexius67 Using the train station as an excuse for why he didn't abuse James is just desperate clutching at straws, when he was abused multiple times, in multiple locations in and out of Neverland and in bed (as mentioned by his sister La Toya) and also when he was with him on tour, and he may have been abused longer than he remembered.
Worse case scenario is he may have mixed up an upstairs room where he was abused in on a particular date 3 decades ago.
If MJ was innocent, he would not have paid the1993 victim $23 million so that he would not be indicted. The FBI never investigated Michael Jackson, let alone for 10 years. He never defended himself even when he was alive, he paid millions of dollars to his victims avoid defending himself and paid millions of dollars to his lawyers to defend him to avoid defending himself in court. He was guilty.
@@an.d.m.aNo. You are the desperate one.
I'm not saying it's not weird for kids to sleep in your room. I just want to clarify that the clip you played at 7:19 is misleading. At that point in the interview (if you watch the Bashir documentary), they are debating who will stay on the bed, and who will stay on the floor. So when Jackson says "if you love me, you'll stay on the bed," in this specific instance, he was giving up the bed, not inviting him to share the bed.
His "bedroom" was also hardly a bedroom. What you mentioned is a pattern, which is pretty frequent when you actually look up a lot of the shit. The only thing that stays consistent is that he was strange.
That’s interesting. Changes the light
This comment needs more attention
i dont think this changes it, because it still pressures the kid to sleep on the bed. obviously michael will be sharing the bed.
@@PlutoTracks
He had a private room were he'd sleep
Culkin says that Michael isn't really good at speaking since his social skills are low but we have to see the full picture before passing judgment
Bro that Michael Jackson pic sends pure fear throughout my body
That’s because you’re ignorant! That’s ignorant!
@@childmolester5734 ;-;
It's edited
@@dopedfurry2010 its photoshopped btw it is used when people try to make mj look like a pedo/weirdo to the public
@Bruce Wayne then why photoshop if it's not difficult,huh?
"Its like... wtf... Michael Jackson" -Hila Klein
Butter Bubble dude you’re a creep get out
Butter Bubble what the fuck
Butter Bubble hope she sees your comment man
😂😂😂
@@chickentoot4102 -Such a fucking virgin gtfo lmao
Merry Christmas appleheads. Hopefully your special friends aren't confused by what santa🎅 does in the middle of the night. Hopefully you reminded them he has to do his special massage to keep the Grinch from stealing their presents 😇 Tee hee hee
Nobody:
Tekashi 69: Y'all remember that MJ case?
that was really funny
@@nellgravii2423 said no one ever
Smelly Abo well damn
iconic comment
AlphaKon made my day 😂
Gotta correct Ethan
He is not a heinous criminal...
he is a *smooth* criminal
ua-cam.com/video/ZxNDb2PVcoM/v-deo.html
If you're that convinced that Robson and Safechuck are telling the truth, you must have done tons of research. I certainly have. Please answer me a few questions.
- Why does Robson claim he got a subpoena to testify when the Private Investigator in that case states that he never got one, but volunteered to be the first witness?
- Why does Joy Robson in both her depositions (1993 and 2013) state that Wade was never alone at Neverland up until 1993, when Wade claims, he was left alone in 1990, while the rest of his family went on a Grand Canyon trip?
- How was Safechuck abused in the train station when it didn't even exist up until 1994, and then Michael Jackson didn't even live in Neverland in 1994, he was in New York and only returned in 1995. Safechuck would have been 17!
Those are just 3 of the over 60 lies found in Leaving Neverland.
Duuuhh
@@aceous99 dvmB fVcK
@Manny P Arigato
0:58 when you have a dollar shave club sponsor but its not the right time
Subliminal advertising lmao
i giggled
HAHAHA OMG
Brilliant!
This comment had me like: giphy.com/gifs/Vg0JstydL8HCg
As a kid, I was demolished, wrecked, pulverized, obliterated ,annihilated, damaged beyond repair and unrecognizable by the end. Saddened at what would permanently never be the same.
I just described what I did to every one of my special little friends 🐝🕳 s on a daily basis. Do the math. tee hee hee
His eyebrows are doing the moonwalk
shit man you're right
like at 32:55
i can't focus on what he's saying because of that omg haha
He's got Tourette's
Crazy eyebrows is normally a sign of stress. Maybe this is an uncomfortable subject for Ethan.
This isn’t a clip this is a whole ass podcast 😂
Apparently y'all 300 people thought this was a clip? Explain.
@@beettttlejuice It's on their highlights channel. It's a 50 minute highlight, and people expect it to be less than 15 minutes
@@hh-ck6ko got it ✌️
@@beettttlejuice here " living with michael jackson full documentary 4k"
@@teijul1106 I remember when the "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary aired on prime time.....the whole country was shocked and appalled, especially by the visuals of what a wreck MJ was, and how dishonest he was.....
Hila is so uniquely beautiful. Her eyes are gorgeous.
catmeister she hasn’t injected her face lips etc. So refreshing to see a natural woman
Ewwwwwwww uggghh
She’s natural.
@@xPathanTiggax Everybody has different preferences and opinions when it comes to beauty, but you dont need to be childish and say "eew" grow up man.
Lady Cyprus
He must live in Hollywood - everybody’s fake in Hollywood.
There’s a financial motivation for his estate to decry the documentary. His music catalogue is so vast, they can’t afford for him to lose favor
Exactly. They sued hbo for 100 million and no one is discussing that and how that is about money.
@@selemawit9411 hbo made huge money with LN. Why not sue them? They badmouthed MJ, which they couldn't do if MJ was alive. Then MJ could sue them. So yes, it's about money - because hbo made huge money with MJs name.
@verbadum22 what's "bingo"? hbo played dirty and you think it's not ok to sue them - just because it's about MJ? So now if it's his name, nobody can sue, or what? MJ or his estate or his family has less right to sue, just because you blindly hate MJ? You don't know any of the facts of the case, but for some reason you feel hurt, if MJs Estate sue hbo - for money, as if hbo didn't make huge profit with LN...? Sure. If it's MJ he has no right. No right to fair trial, no right to presumtion of innocence, no riht to defend himself against defamation. And you think with that kind of thinking you can talk about rights... or call others disgusting.
Hila is so good at explaining difficult things ugh she’s so smart
@Dabbel der Frosch LMAO
@@griselgriselda2901 You're so insecure
@@postiveelectron8879 ok mr. “I support people who perpetuate false pedo accusations”
I love hilaaaa
uhh yea sure
Hila has gotten a lot better at speaking in the podcast.
Let's get to 69 likes!
this is the ''better'' ? :DD How horrible was she before lol .......
@Imight Realperson her general awkwardness.
the good ole days where she said "yeah" couple of times during the video
Hilia took Ethan's Tourette's medication
The grooming thing is true. I got fiddled with from the ages of 7 till 12. My mum got a boyfriend and he used to spoil me and be really nice to me and I loved him as a child does while my mum got drunk every night. Then it turned into him getting really touchy feely watching me in the bath and coming into my room at night. As I got older I started to hate anything to do with sex and was obsessed with rape as he convinced me that I would be raped as my first time. I hated being watched. I absolutely hated him for no reason and always felt guilty. My teenage years were full of my mum drunkenly hitting me and bringing men home who would try to touch me at the age of 13. I hated her in the evenings. She was a good mum when she didn't drink. It was so confusing. It took me till the age of 16 to realize that what went on was in no way ok or normal and that I was pretty badly abused. It was a shock to me when I realized.
Kem damn dog i’m sorry that happened to u
I'm so sorry that you experienced that; it happens to so many of us. As someone who was also abused as a small child, I empathize completely. Stay strong my friend ❤️.
Your safe now my friend
I'm so sorry to hear about your abuse. I hope you know you're so strong for living through that and I hope you are well
That must have been a real bolt of lightning to your thoughts and emotions...you didn't deserve that...i hope you get some kind of peace of mind & feel that you can put it truly behind you from realizing that you didn't deserve that.
We as children are sometimes thrown into bad situations that are not of our making & those things kind of shape who we are ?..sometimes even without realising it ?
It's not till we get to have other deep relationships do we see the difference between a good relationship and one that harms us..however subtle those differences may seem ?
& I hope you find love and understanding & peace of mind.
The MJ fans defending him in these comments - have me convinced that MANY people have mashed potatoes for brains. The red flags were everywhere, and persistent for YEARS.
When his eyebrows went "🌊" I felt that
3:32 😆
As a parent would you leave your kids with a stranger? Doesnt matter how much money he gives you, you just dont .
some ppl care more about money
also that people idolised him so much, they didn't even think about that. they thought MJ was a saint or something
He didn’t pay the parents. Some of them even claimed MJ abused the kid from the Black or White music video, and he had to come out to say it wasn’t true. They just want money.
Stranger no, Michael was a family friend and trusted these families and they back stabbed him
If anything the money only makes it more suspicious
Today's fact: Most American movie villains have British accents because we associate them with having high intellect and low morals.
Wtf
Yeah, the average American is stupid.
Jokes on you, it's the other way around.
@@vaca493 😂😂😂
Facterino Commenterino i mean this just describes me but i’m not that clever honestly
The "train station" argument Michael's defenders used have been debunked: There was several train stations at neverland long before the famous one was built.
Also do you remember everything you did yesterday? Try think what you did 5 years ago, let alone if you were traumatized. I know a woman who said she think she was raped by her father, but she says the memories has a big blur and she can't remember much. But she has not have had contact with her father in over 20 years. He gives her the creeps.
There was only ever one train station. Prove there was not. Train stops aren't stations. Funny Robson remembers verbitim what day it was when he was 7 ( A friday) they both are lying sacks of sh.t & that's why two judges have dismissed their cases for money multipal times.
listen to angela. she knows the truth. i just loved lil boys. they were just everything i ever wanted.
That is not true, there was ONE train station. But you don't even need to go there, because the people behind the documentary said that the train station issue is undeniable and what was really wrong was the timeline given by Safechuck. So, we are to believe that Safechuck was off by SEVEN YEARS in his memory AND that he was molesting Safechuck at age 17, which undermines the entire premise of the documentary that Jackson "dumped" children at 14 for the next. By the way, BOTH individuals they claim MJ dumped them for (Culkin and Barnes) say Jackson never molested them. We are to condemn a dead man based on THESE facts?
@@ChokeslamToHell see! you get it! train stating came station. its all a bunch of baloney!
Iittle boy liars kept taking advantage of me. I just gave them my hot milk and had underwear optional tickle fights. hee hee!
@@Childmo_Lester Lame
I love Ethan's restless eyebrow syndrome. It makes me slightly happier than Joe Rogan saying "that's crazy".
Corvandus its like a roller coaster of feels
Corvandus dude, ThAt’S cRaZy, PuLl ThAt Up!
Lol he has tourettes
I agree, lol Joe rogan and Ethan's podcast are two of the best on UA-cam hands down
Joe “It’s Entirely Possible” Rogan
i guess you can say he was a 'smooth criminal'.
LOL 🤣
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I gave you your 69th like. You’re welcome
@@Grimrose_04 thx luv
I'm dead 😂🤣😂
A close relative of mine was abused at school by a P.E. teacher. He only decided to do something when he saw my then 9 year old son playing in the sea with his Mom. He saw how innocent and small he was and at that point decided to speak out. He won his case but the compensation was derisory. The money didn't matter to him though. He was just glad he got justice.
I tryd to put a way my abuses but it didn't happen as it was too long ago but I hope your friend gets the happiness he deserves x
I bet he still took the money though right? LOL
@NoiGunn • thanks 4 your support
I can’t with the MJ noises🤣🤣😭
it's soo funny!!
lol
Nobody:
Ethan: But have you seen the documentary?
Somebody before you: that comment.
You: ctrl+c ctrl+v
MostSavageManAlive mega oof
This meme format is so uncreative
@@MilesQuickster >uncreative meme format
>meme format
>creative format
>mfw
I like that's what you took away from the whole hour video lol
The whole thing for me boils down to the fact that people would have completely different opinion about what happened if it wasn't MJ but some random guy. Just imagine if that random guy had the same explanations as MJ... There would be no conversation.
Hubert Skladnik people like to make up shit to ruin people’s reputation or to make money...funny why there’s constantly Michael Jackson documentaries and new victims supposedly and why didn’t they do this when he was alive he can’t give a defense and these people couldn’t give a crap about there family and disregarded their rights there are two sides to every story.
@@live_lifelovemusic9706 dude its explained in the documentary, manipulation.
Live_LifeLove Music They didn't do it while he was alive because they were still kids and didn't understand what happened. Parents had accusations whole he was alive, but the children always disputed it because they were young and didn't understand (which is common with abuse). They've grown up and a couple of them almost had mental breakdowns when they had their own sons and realized what happened to them. It's very normal for child abuse to play it like this and for victims to take years before figuring out they're a victim
@@live_lifelovemusic9706 you're very right- there's a different side to every story and I'm not saying MJ is definitely guilty of child rape (there are other forms of abuse too). How would I know for sure? I wasn't there. You missed my point. I'm just asking you to imagine what your reaction would be if (for example) your neighbor took your kid for a sleepover to play games and the next day you found out they were sleeping in one bed? Then add the fact, he was there for months and that he was totally addicted to video games and would do ANYTHING to be able to go back there, skip school and just play games all day. Have you ever been 10 years old? Do you think it was fair for MJ to pray on childrens vulnerability? Even if they didn't have sex the very fact what was happening was sickening and there would be no conversation if it wasn't famous king of POP.
Hubert Skladnik yes absolutely right. If the same accusations came out about a random dude living an otherwise boring normal life, there wouldn’t be this kind of conversation. But because its this music god that we have all idolized, these must all be false accusations bc he can do no wrong. Sorry, but there is no reason, MJ or not, for a grown man to have unrelated little kids sleeping anywhere in their room.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate hila’s beauty
Cristian Barrios always ❤️ she’s a queen 👑
*_She looks exactly like a girl at my school, except the girl at my school has light brown eyes_*
She's alright
bitch looks like vlade divac
Ok simp
hila looks so damn pretty here! that hair style suits her face so so so well